Anyway, so meeting to order at 6:37 and president or chair Craig Dalton, >> Jim Macath and Brack. All >> righty. Thank you. And we're supposed to I think join us join. >> Yeah, she was gonna join us. So we'll
keep an eye out for she'll pop up, right? Yeah. >> Okay. Good know. All right. So, today we have um another extra item on the agenda. Have time to copy it for you. So,
it's not that bad. Gosh. So, so uh I'll let you tonight we will have to go over our minutes from uh the December meeting. So, has everybody had a chance to look at those
um sent out? Thanks for getting those out. >> Oh, thank you to Ken for your note takingaking. Were you able to get it online too to check online >> the >> the blog or the the web or whatever >> the the minutes
>> the meeting? >> Oh, no. Sorry. I did not yet. Um and I did say I was going to do that, but I didn't have a chance to do that. >> All right. It looked pretty good to me. So, >> I don't know what >> I make a motion be accepted to send the
minutes as Rick. >> Uh second. >> Okay. All in favor? I I made a mistake because I wasn't here. >> Okay. So, not unanimous extension and you
>> um mail I had um I guess it was Linda mentioned about having a list. I thought we had a list out last year. I put a list out. So, I updated the list. I sent it out today for you guys to look at. Did you see anything on there or wrong
with either or any of you? And we did send this out last year. >> Yeah. December, I think, of last year. >> So, if that's good, we'll I'll send that out. >> Yes.
>> Right. Um, year end report we have to that'll be due here pretty quickly. She hasn't sent out the reminder yet, but she's always on about that. All right. I did send out a rough draft for you guys to
take a look at. We reached a couple weeks though actually. I was ahead of the curve. Do you have a chance to look at that? >> Uh before then? Yes. >> Okay. Because I haven't changed anything on here really. >> Yeah. >> Did you? >> I I didn't see the most recent. Um but >> I don't think I changed it here. If you
want to >> Sure. >> That's believe it or not the font they want to use on this thing. I I can hardly read it yet. >> Yeah. go ahead and look it over and see if we missed something
that we talked about to be how the sales point for the uh >> the galla >> the galla >> um more than half >> really. >> Yeah. Well, >> remember I'm going to get those.
>> Hate to tell you, but we're not. >> No. >> No. Yeah. Tell unfortunately. >> Yeah. We're going to go >> again the 31st. >> Well, it's like the book sales, I guess, are more announced.
>> Yeah. >> 200, right? >> About 200. Well, good count a couple days. clue was talking to a woman tonight about we'll get into the discussion but she was saying oh yeah you're 35 you don't
know what makes >> I think that description of of rationale for you know cutting the trees in the buring ground. It's really helpful. >> Is that of course been a lot of questions, but >> you want to take a look at that? >> Yeah. >> Just to make sure it's the same that you
looked at before. >> Yeah. I was walking um actually I was over here at the cemetery taking pictures and writing up specs on the stones. We got 50 down so far. And I was it was getting dark and I finished up. I was walking out the front of the
church area. Some guy guess he didn't have a dog. He was just walking. Says, "Oh, can you tell me why they took those trees down?" I'm saying, "Yeah." I says, so I start going into it and he says, "Oh, I think it looks better anyways." But so I was telling
him all about it and so then he goes, "Is that your truck?" And I go, "Yeah." He says, "Oh, did you go to Mit Time?" And I go, "Yeah." He goes, "I did too." 85. >> And he lives in Kingston here down by Three Tops down there. It's behind Royal Gardens someplace.
>> That's the Atmos class. His name is McConnell, not McDonald. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. That's right. >> So, um yeah, you never know when you find one of our guys around, but yeah, the comments on the
trees, it's uh it is what it is, right? >> Have you gotten negative feedback on it? >> No, not really. I haven't. Some people have, but >> I had few conversations with >> very staunch um conser um
>> conservationist >> conservationist um but had very educated conversation with them but they still were in favor of not taking down but other than that no other complaints. back. So, um, that's what I've been doing. I' been
I've got a bunch more to do cuz I want to get all of them good specs so we can send them off to different people for their estimates, you know, and they'll have some information that they can go on. We have a better guess.
That's if the town approves CPC stuff. >> Yep. >> Squinting there. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a small play. >> All right. So, we all set on this then? >> Yeah. >> And we'll um we need a motion to approve this then.
>> Motion to approve >> year end report. >> 2025 year end report. Any comments? All in favor? >> I unanimous. Good. >> Um just a general note there. The CPC did recommend the project to go forward.
Um he wanted a he he suggested and actually Linda did too suggested that he had they have a copy of the master plan to work with you to look at, you know, look over. We don't really have an extra copy. I don't but I
did. Um, that's what I just left in the bin over there for him. I left a flash drive with the whole thing on it so he can look it over and see how, you know, we've been doing with it or whatever. But, so they they approved it to go forward to their public hearing which
will be, I think, in maybe early March, early February, what one of those things where we'll have to be at to answer any questions. And from there goes town meeting, which I don't have any clue where when that is. They don't know if it's been announced.
>> So that's where we are with the CPC. They were, you know, and that was that included the three years of gravestone restorations, but the approval for the funding won't be for three. It's approved for this one. >> But for planning, it's likely they'll look favorably on the next couple years
of that. >> And the um town meeting is where the final decision would be made, >> right? >> Okay. Just a note on the the master plan um >> master preservation plan feel like I may
have a PDF copy of that. Does that make sense? Feel like I looked it something up. >> You might um >> I'll check it in case. >> Well, these are PDFs but it's not it's just like in three form three parts. The first one's the intro and the write up
and the next one is the graves u the history. >> Yeah. And the next one is the gravestone report. So it's all in there. I mean, we have we had a disc and I have a disc somewhere at home, but they're even hard to find someone to, you know, be able to
run them. Um, but I don't think I have the PDF in a complete thing that I know of. >> I'll just check just in case. >> Yep. And the thing is they were saying, oh, you know, or they were kind of hitting at that we could have had it up
on up online on the on the web page, but it's a lot of data. I don't know how it >> we can still ask. Okay. Uh NAPCA dues, the National Association of Preservation Commission,
National Association of Preservation Associations or something like that. But we're a member of I sent out the thing that they they have these webinars. It's one coming up. Um I sent out a notice to you guys about and we are allowed to uh
go to them for free. The the codes are on the emails that I send out. They also put out some uh quarterly magazine which I've been forwarding to you when I get them. And um it's to help support preservation across the country. It's a large
national group. So we we've been a member for um well quite a few years. The uh dues for this year would be for our town which falls between 5,000 and
50,000 people would be $150. past kind of stuck in under 5,000 people, but you know, you got to be vote board on this. So, this year's the dues would be
$150. So, um I like the room, but what what would your thoughts be on that? >> I I've never attended one of the things. They they always look pretty interesting. I just I just don't make
time for it. But I like I think for the other members of the board it's good to have that and to have that connection to a national association like that I think is good. I I would be supportive of it.
>> Yeah. If we if it's a resource we can draw upon it's not every year to continue that and learning new things probably valuable. They used to have a a library too. Oh, not a library but a book sales of books
too that were pretty good with a discount. I don't know if they still have that but John >> um no I'm agree with them. I think I've only attended one of them online. Um but a lot of the different topics have been very interesting I think to you so far.
I've done a couple I've seen I've listened to a couple they are kind of in the middle of the day usually and um some of fairly lengthy you know I think the one I went to about some mid-century modern housing construction or something
that was almost four hours but um okay so we want to renew that um what I'll do I'll write the check send it to them and then I'll take reimbursement at our next meeting for the $150. So, we need a motion to approve expending $150 for
membership in the NAPC for fiscal year 26. >> Make a motion that we spend $150 to renew the NA uh NAPC. >> NAPC. >> NAPC membership. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I unanimous. Okay. All right. So, something that tends to be dealing with these uh presentations, you know, for this year, 2026, scheduled historic
presentations. Um, I saw an email that came in from uh >> Oh, Jan. >> Jan. Yeah. >> And hello. >> Hello. You're looking for >> the town the town meeting.
>> Town town meeting or something. >> The conservation. >> Yeah. Up top. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> Um I saw that and I was I was kind of curious. You don't have to say now, but whether that had anything to do with why
it wasn't in the book or not, but um it was about >> pressing. But anyways, why don't you lead us off on this about the historic presentations this year with the library and Nick and
>> Well, just to I thought to check in, you know, with Donald and Nick first to see what um if we can fit those into some any into their schedule. Um if not, maybe find another place for some and kind of see where they're at. Um >> and I'm sorry, that's where that's at.
>> Go to Adam. Yeah. >> Um Janu Nick has his own roster of stuff. Um so just you know as the year started, hey let's revisit this because we do have some some decent speakers but of course
we got to kind of let them know or or the library whoever it is. Um so you know I haven't heard anything from Nick yet but it's only been a couple of days. No, I actually I actually sat with the library um today on a couple of issues,
one private and then also to see what their plans were for the year. Yeah. Um so um they did say kind of um what um I know you got the one letter email back saying that um there were several openings. So they kind of read rated the
same thing for the book committee um that those openings were available. So you'd be able to do those openings. Um we really don't have anything for the 300th except for the old home day um doing it. The Adams library not the um the old home tours I'm sorry. Um
so >> that's the only day the 300th committee was actually doing it but um >> Nick had um said he had ideas for the year but most of them were I think the ones he' already shared with you. So nothing had really changed with that. So, I think you just need to sit down
with them and coordinate the open spots and what you're going to do. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Those months are >> I saw the the list of months that came out with that email, but there were some, but there was one area he was staying away from. >> Um, well,
>> was it the >> Jan wanted to stay away from that, I believe. >> No, no, no. I mean, the dates, the months, or whatever. >> Um, >> there was an area. Didn't you see that? said some about it'd be good if we do them in these months and not these because we're busy
here then and then >> it wasn't really addressed to me I was copied it but >> no yeah >> was there a complex for one of the months or >> I believe so I'm sorry my I'll look at it again but we'll we'll sit down with Nick and yeah
>> you know we can just um I think you know the the kings in the civil war one is is a priority interest I think you know you know Patrick would like to do that at the Adam Center formally. Um Tom's on the Independence
and Captain Simone Y >> um but would be another great one at the library at Adam Center. Um some of the others could be in other places. The um John Gallagher is on the the murder. >> I think they want to do that one. >> They want to do that one. He was in
there researching that. So that's great. It's it's just you know whatever however it'll fit. Um Anderson mentioned an interest in in um uh the Bradford House hosting >> that other one. Yes.
>> Yeah. So that's another option. >> What about um I know when we had the uh visitor from Windgate, they were interested in hosting something. That's a possibility, >> too. They were they wanted us to they were going to host us, right? >> They would like us to come. But then
when we were here, we talked about this. u of the the speakers coming in and >> I I recall them saying they they'd be interested in hosting one of those as well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I don't know if they provide the speaker they'll host
>> right. Yeah. No, I I think it would be us. >> But for the seniors that would be great. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think it would be us bringing the speaker but coordinating it to have it there. >> Introduce them to what the historical commission does maybe in case. >> Yeah. And I don't think it would I mean I think it would be great to have the
residents there attend but I think it could be a public you open as well. >> Yeah. >> Um there's also none of those states work with that. There's also the senior center too. >> Yeah. >> That's got a pretty large role.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What about authors or anybody? You have anything on writers, authors that >> besides other than John Gallagher? >> Yeah. >> The library had anybody
>> they had more topics and they actually had speakers coming in other than >> okay >> having galler come in that they just had topics for different ideas not really >> not people lined up to actually deliver them.
U maybe the one in question that we could think about over the next month perhaps is is um Professor Zimmering the Isaac Allatin site and the archaeological dense material if you will. >> So sorry no thinking of him as an author
I know he papers the addresses Dr. Oh, okay. Yes. Hold on. Yep. >> Oh, that's So, who is the Adam's house or >> the library? Yes. Adam building. Yeah. Um, >> I don't have it in this folder, but Nick had an outline of what he kind of wanted to do each month, and one of them was
Native American, and he he said maybe Dr. Z. So, >> I want to say that was more towards the fall, but I'm not 100% sure. >> Yeah. >> But he's talking about his recent dig. He's going to relate it to um what's his name? Stig. Um >> um I am
>> I think it was one of the it was one of the home sites. It wasn't >> the recent dig I believe that he wanted to speak about. >> Is that correct? >> It's not his own work. >> His own work. Yeah. >> Not the last the last one wasn't a the last one was one of the factories.
Correct. >> Well, the last one he did was with the students over by the Sylvia Pond. >> Yeah. >> But there was the one on Spring Street. Is that the one he's done? >> 21. Yeah. if I recall. >> Yes. >> And that's right next to the beat site. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> So, is that the one he's thinking of doing? >> I believe so. >> You guys who's been talking? >> Well, just I've been emailing I just want you on Oh, yeah. I'm interrupting you your email, so I apologize. >> No, no. Um, no. Uh, I mean, this goes
back, you know, whatever, a year and a half or so ago. We approached and then he finally wrote the article and we were sitting on it anyway. Um yeah, but but my sense of it is he's going to talk about, you know, the the archaeological
evidence of Wampenog being that what became the Isaac Allan home site, you know, some of that and then about the site itself with with the house that was there, houses. So, a mix of both. Um,
>> yeah, we got >> general >> and nobody's talking about the fields over here, >> the playing fields. >> Okay. >> I don't know. That's that's a big archaeological site, too. We've had them come in before,
>> pal, come in and talk about them. They weren't always the best speakers, maybe, but some of them are. Some are boring, but I don't know. thoughts. >> Um, I mean, I'm always interested in it. I know there's a a lot of people and and
I guess it's a slight concern of mine, too, is um how do we discuss it without letting the area be known? >> Um because there's a lot of concern of people finding about about these areas and wanting to go do their own digs and stuff there. Mhm. Of course, but the point about talking
about is that people realize that our area was a source of these things too, >> you know. >> Yes. >> And it's tough to to hide the exact area. >> Y >> a lot of people know the exact area. >> It's if someone wants to find it,
they'll be able to find it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, it's a double-edged sword. Yeah. >> And so are you guys leading that charge on that then topics for speakers? >> Yeah, I think you need to go have a conversation with that. Mine was more just of a point of um see what's going
on. It wasn't to recommend anything or anything today. So um yeah, I think if you go down and talk to them, you can come up with a a good schedule for the next year. >> Yeah, coordinate with Nick. Yeah, >> that's great. All right. So, um, that was number
eight, summary of Professor Simmons findings at Isaac Allen's site. But you have the what he's wrote up and that's the area he was talking about, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. Um,
that was the end of the new business except for the stuff that came in just today. Um, I was emailed by Trisha about um a homeowner in town who we
know, we're not going to mention any names right now, but um her insurance for the house, not a huge house or anything, old old house. And um this is the house. on it's on the
register but well I say register it's on the mattress list and her insurance been going up went up a couple thousand a year for the last few years and it's up went up to $8,000 this year it's not a huge house
>> um so she started looking for other insurance got an offer from one company for about half that price and um put the deposit down was insured briefly and then they sent out and a
insurance checked out properties came and then um she got a letter of land saying they're cancelling the insurance because well the house has some shingles the roof shingles couple curled shingles and
there's moss on it and which she had a roofing company come out and look at it after that and there they say there's no curled shingles But the moss they can clean off no problem. And also that the house is historic.
And so this is this thing we talked about in July about uh Mass Historic letter coming out about the these other towns are talking about insurance people can canceling insurance because the house is on the Macris list
or it's on the uh well national register or whatever. But I mean um she was saying how she never even knew her house was put on the list and so I was explaining to her how it worked. It her house was one of the early ones that was done in 98
and um I don't know how much public was given then. I don't think I was a member that you know like today we we get funding through CPA for those things. I told her we just did one several hundred houses on it basically that are on this list
and they don't have to be old. They're not historic even though the mris list is uh you know people associate it with historic homes or old homes but um it's companies are just latching on to a word historic and saying we're not going to
insurance because it's going to cost too much to sure. So, um, I don't know, we had quite a long conversation about it, but I was telling my wife later says, "All of Main Street is on this list." I
mean, you have 600, 700 houses in town that are on this list, and there's some of them I do, you know, and so how can they deny insurance based upon that? I guess technically they don't have to insure anybody they don't want to. They'll just raise the rate up that you
don't want to pay. But um I asked her to send the uh copy of the the cancellation notice so I could look at the actual verbiage for why they cancelled it and then I don't know whether we should approach insurance companies and say you
know what's the story with this can send them a copy of the mass historic memo historic commission's memo about insurance coverage on historic properties. how it doesn't affect the being historic doesn't affect the reimbursement rates or anything that
insurance companies have to pay. They don't lose anymore. In fact, someone commented these are a bunch of uh you know when this letter came out last year there were a bunch a big conversation about online the mass
list serve about uh other places have had the same problem and um one of them said yeah my I had this argument once with a friend of mine and he was an insurer and it was like well if your house burned
down you don't expect them to rebuild it exact same way. You know, even it's a historic house, if you do, you have to insure it that way and that's where you pay the money. So, so are they just
using it as a sort of quick and lazy way of identifying this is an older house that it's more likely to have problems down the road and we just don't want to deal with it. >> Yeah, that's what it seems like. >> What's what's the acronym for Mac,
Chris? or or just what's the right spelling for the acronym? >> M A C R I S. Yeah, it's the um Massachusetts right at the top there. >> I should Is it on there? >> Yeah. Resource. Half of that house was built in 1979.
>> Oh, I know. The other the the uh original part was all rewired and so I told her usually they don't ensure you have to you have knob and tube wiring. >> And so how do they get on this list? What qualifies them to be on the list? >> Oh, Jim. Yeah. Okay.
>> I shouldn't ask that question because I'll have to type it all in. >> Well, and if you if your house Oh, how do you get on that list? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, you have to have an inventory done of this property. >> Yeah.
>> Like the sheet. The sheet was done by her back in 98. Um, we just had >> Oh, so she they have to actively request this. >> No. No. Okay. >> No, no. I say her, but it's the the person that did this survey. >> Okay. She she was hired by the town. She did 50 or so service.
>> Yeah. >> Um we had we hired someone two three years ago now. >> I remember that. Yeah. >> Yeah. And she went around town. We advertised it. Make sure everybody knew what was going on. The woman with the clipboard ran town.
>> Um and that money was from CPC. So it went through that process as well. And it's it should be an inert thing. So all it is is an inventory list of the state's buildings and historic items.
So it shouldn't affect anybody at all. They should have no objection to being on it. But now if we're not going to show you because you're on this list, which doesn't make sense. That's not a good thing.
So I bet you your house is on the inventory, Jim. Yeah, I mean >> I know uh yours is Oh, is yours done? >> Um I don't know. When was Elm Street done? >> Well, I don't know if it did different houses down there, so I don't know what
you want. >> Yeah, my house is only 20 years old, so I don't know if >> Oh, well, it probably didn't then because it was selective going down there. >> Yeah. >> But Ken's >> Yep. >> Yep. And um like I say, all of Main Street is most of Summer Street.
>> Yeah. My old house was I know that then. >> So the company was Matt Free that uh turned her down. >> So um I'll see what that letter says. Do we talk about someone next meeting? >> Could the division of insurance be
helpful at all? Well, >> if you remember the uh >> this is the thing, the memo that they sent out. That's why it was 2023. This was sent out in 25, but it the
person at Mass Historic was saying a couple years ago, we did send out a memo on this because these things were starting to happen. And this is this is their response to it. I think might have sent a copy out to you guys in July. >> What? More recently, today I
>> didn't send it back today with everything >> with that letter. >> I don't I don't know. >> Sorry. >> But that's from from them and basically they're saying it shouldn't increase, you know, your insurance companies, they
shouldn't have a reason to deny you coverage. But it also says, you know, it's certainly up to the insurance companies who they insure and how much they charge. But that's a lot of a lot of uh she was saying the evaluation on that house was
like 899,000. No, we were in that house, Ken. You and I. >> Okay. >> When we went out to look at uh >> Cindy Sheriff. >> No. >> No. Okay. Oh. Oh, sorry. No, wrong name.
Um I went out to look at the um path where they do the the survey there. That's right. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're looking up your house, John? >> No, I'm trying to see where is Sylvia Place. >> Oh, well, >> where is this house? >> That's all right. You don't want to know
too much. >> Yeah, >> but it's um down by Sylvia Pond. >> Yeah. >> Does that make sense? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, was she looking >> She was >> for something. Yeah. >> Yeah. She didn't know what to do, but
>> But is she looking >> She's got her agents looking for another >> company that'll >> Yeah. >> Well, or from the >> She was looking stuff from the town and then uh Trisha said I had to call her and talk to her about it. So, there's
not much we can do. as I explained except try to contact the insurance companies and say explain >> what you know why is this so why why do you think this is a bad thing because it isn't really most of the times anyways that was the other really new
business just came in >> and then um on the old business the old berry ground cleanup of the the scouts or anything we got Uh, so I was reaching out and my two contacts with the scouts. Both of their scouts have aged out.
>> Both of their scouts. >> Both of their sons have aged out of scouts. So, um, I'm trying to see if I can get in contact with who's there now. Um, >> okay. >> So, we may need to find another group of people. >> Yeah, it is pretty messy over there wandering around. Um, that' be good.
There's a lot of work to be done over there. stones have deteriorated a lot two years since that survey was done. >> All right. Um this is just kind of a >> So sorry just on that. Um
uh are are you going to try to find somebody else? >> Yeah, I'll see if there's another group or something find. I know we want to kind of limit >> who and whatever type of tools we use. >> Yeah. What about and I don't know there you know at the dump there's the scouts
there's a troop number that collects >> I know who the troop is I just have to find out who they're >> who to contact them so the two that I know they just left this fall um so they still know some of the people but they said a lot of them are younger >> so I got to see >> if they're reliable or not to be able to
go in there >> okay I got there's another group we can find >> and then the 300th anniversary committee. How's everything going down? >> Um good. Uh we're ready for the first event at the end of the month, the um
the gala. Um it's uh shaping up real well. More than half the tickets have been sold so far. Uh there's going to be a silent auction. Um I think approximately 30 um different things right now for both the silent auction
and um like the uh raffle for bags. Um so that will be going on. There's uh there'll be a DJ. I believe someone actually wants to sing a few songs as well. So, uh there'll be entertainment. >> Congratulations, Sean. >> I'm not saying
that be a good way to clear the room out. Um so, beyond that, um we're doing real well um planning all of our events. Um it from emails today, it sounds like you're moving forward uh with a lot of
stuff for the art festival. So, that's good. That will be our next big event afterwards at the gala. >> When is that roughly? >> May 9th. >> And um so we also found out we um were able to receive a very generous
donation of $10,000 from a um glass and testament of one of the um Kingston residents. Um so that that was very nice. Um and then we um we have some other uh funding sources we're trying to get go through right now. So um our
figure expenditures are going to be the parade and the old home day and the fireworks. So um it seems almost as if the gala and the art show should be able to pay for itself. Uh oh, we also got a very generous grant um of about $1,700 for for the art show as well. So um we
funding seems to be coming along pretty well. >> Second uh parade fireworks. was the third and the old home day. >> It's the day of the parade. >> Uh parade is July 25th. >> Should pull some strings there. Um
was going to ask you about that. >> Yes. So, well, it sounds good so far. Yeah. >> Um then we're on to your subject. >> Yes. Um, so, uh, sorry,
>> stumps are dying over there. Saw them. >> Yeah. So, uh, I I did look into some options. Um, sort of three different options I looked at. Um, uh, I had mentioned before you can I've read online about copper nails. I've not
really been able to get a firm conclusion that boy that works. People talk about it, but it's almost like, you know, uh a wife's tail kind of feel to it. Uh and I did price them out $1579 for 24 nails. And it looks like the way
they show it in pictures and stuff is maybe for like a mediumsiz stump, you you go all around it. So, I'm thinking like 10 to 12 nails. So, 24 nails would treat maybe two trees. >> That's the trees we're looking at. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. So that would probably
take, you know, all of those. Uh, but I I say that size because that was sort of the comparisons I had. Uh, another thing I looked at is um Bonide, which is a powder that you put in. Um, and I I've used this and it's called like stump out
or something like that. A one pound uh container of that is 827. I found online. Uh, and that can treat maybe two to three medium-sized trees. So, again, something that size. I've used that before in my house, but as I was reading
about it, um, it is toxic, not great to have around pets and children. And so, for a public place like uh, you bearing grat, I I don't think that's maybe a good idea. And then the third thing I looked at is potassium nitrate, which is actually a fertilizer,
but you can use it to treat stumps. You kind of overfertilize it essentially. You in effect burn out the the stump. Five pound thing of that is about $26 and that will um be enough for seven to
10 mediumsiz stumps. So um and all of these they say work on the time scale of the stump should be dead um six weeks to three months depending on weather and conditions and things like that. Um
based on all that, you know, if we wanted to go this route, I would recommend the potassium nitrate. You know, it looks like it would be $3 a stump cost. Uh it's um relatively harmless. I guess when you have it in
the concentrated granules, you don't want to wear gloves. You know, you drill a hole in the tree stump. Couple holes. >> Oh, it's a drill thing. >> It is. Yeah. Um Yes. You can't just sort of spread it around it. You want it concentrated in the hole. Um so you would drill drill a couple holes
depending on the size of the stump. Pour it in and then they recommend adding warm water to it because it helps it dissipate into the stump. Uh you don't have to do that. I didn't do it when I you they recommend that for the stump out as well. I didn't bother adding
water and it worked fine. But um so those last two definitely work. You know, there's good evidence of that. I've used it and it definitely worked. Um uh copper nails are certainly I think the most environmentally friendly, but potassium nitrate I think would be fine.
Um what do we talk like 50 trees something like that. So now they're big, so maybe it's on the lower end of how many trees you can treat, but um you know, let's say you needed to get, I don't know, 30 pounds of this stuff. So
um you know, might be $150, something like that. >> Interesting. Yeah, maybe we should do a comparison. >> I would I was thinking the same thing. Get some of the copper nails and try those and >> and try the same. Yeah. >> Let's see how much it actually costs.
Yeah. Let's see. >> How do you know when things dead though? >> Well, that's like, you know, you really don't. Um, like the stumps that I treated, uh, where I could tell is that in the spring I didn't get new sprouting coming out. Uh, and after
about a year and a, well, maybe a year, year, year and a half, I definitely saw the thing was starting to really rot. Um, and there are other stuff I hadn't treated that a had it sprouted and obviously aren't brought brought in yet. So, um,
you know, when do you exactly know it's worked? I I don't I don't know. >> How big are these copper n? >> Three and a half inches. They're big. >> Why isn't that big? >> Well, >> yeah. >> And they sell those. >> Yeah, we can get them in Amazon,
something like that. So we could get um enough what we thought to do like a tree or two. >> Yeah, if I got the 24 for 1579 that could treat a tree and then maybe
one of the five pound uh I might even be able to get less of smaller size of sodium nitrate. 5B bag was $26, but >> So you'll have to look and see if 24 is going to be enough for one tree. >> Yeah. >> And if it's not, we'll get two.
>> Yeah. And then um nitrate enough for at least one tree. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. How many holes you think you got to drill in those things? >> Uh it depends on the size of the stump. Like the stump I treated was about that big or a couple. I did a couple this size. And I just did one hole in the
middle and that was fine. I think if you got something like that, I think you're probably looking at >> something like this. >> Yeah. Then you're looking at >> half dozen six to 10 something like that. Yeah. >> How deep do they have to go? >> Not deep. uh maybe 3 in and I just had
my drill, you know, with a >> size bit. >> Uh I just ended up using a 3/4 inch bit and it was quick and easy. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, I was just
doing a small stump, but it took me minutes to treat it. >> Well, it' be good to do that now. Well, they say well they say for the the sodium I don't know about copper, but for the sodium nitrate and the bone knife, it's better to wait until warmer
weather because it absorbs it better that way. >> But we won't know if it's dead, >> right? >> The spring's coming and it's going to be >> right. I think we should wait at least until the spring because in the winter it's dormant and it's not going to be moving a lot of fluids through the stump
and you know you you want to get it to actually dissipate it throughout the stump. >> So I think we have to wait till the weather warms up and maybe the spring or you know sort of mid-spring would be the time to do it. >> All right, it sounds like a plan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So we've got some money in the bank we can use. >> Okay. But um still I should talk to is it Jason over there? The DPW >> Sean. >> Sean >> see if um they've got a little money to throw at too, you know.
>> How's his job going? >> Um I think he's doing a good job. >> I mean he's still temporary, right? >> Uh as as of right now I'm doing Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. Um that's all I had for tonight.
What else have we got? Tom's not here. So, >> yeah. So, we don't have Actually, Tom didn't even tune in. So, >> I'll take his spot. I have a couple things. Um, so one of the things I was um at the library today, they spoke of
uh being on the historic register and I know that they have had some work done, but I don't think I was on this committee yet when they approached. um for the Adam Center, what do they need to do if they want to um do some work in that building as far as we're concerned?
Do they need to approach us first or the same go to the um building inspector and they notify us? Um >> the um who are you talking about? >> From the the library director for the Adams building.
>> Well, they would go to the facilities portion. Um >> Yep. but to be able to work on it because it's on the national register. Do they need to make notification to us ahead of time? Do they have to notify someone in the state? >> I wasn't quite sure of the exact process to go.
>> Well, it's just replacing what's in kind basically, right? >> Yeah. It might it might be like the they may eventually be looking at the front columns. Yeah. >> So, they didn't know if they could replace what's there or if they were looking to do >> roll pictures original. And I said
probably either of those are fine. If you wanted to make a drastic change from that, you probably need to get approval. >> Yeah. And we should we should be involved in just talking to them about employee do this stuff, you know, to make sure it is pathetic. >> Yeah. And that's what I love. I said if
you make a notification when you work to the town, send the same thing to us and we can discuss it. That's kind of how I left it with him >> because he kind of keeps us involved um when something comes up. I know we applied for CPC funding the other day, but um it's it's kind of like a
maintenance issue, but they want more historical information. >> Yeah. >> For it. >> And um Don did actually say something about that. I said we could definitely help them with that in the in the future if they needed that, too.
um >> just writing a letter, >> but they they the CPC chair was talking about the type of cement they're going to I don't know where they're going to use cement, but type of cement they use and um
that goes beyond kind of my thoughts on the uh reproduction or re whatever it's restoring restoration thing, but the column certainly um you know would have to be either like they are now or if
they can prove they were the other way when it was built. >> Yes, >> either way would be fine. I would that's my my thoughts. But I think the CPC chair was worried that they're just going to get out >> people and buy a column that's go in there and that's I don't think he was
planning to do that. So yeah, it's it's got to be pretty much like it is or was to uh be doable there. Some of the gutters and that's argumentable. They went through and they those gutters they
put on the wood gutters reproduced the gutters were very expensive and um there some of them rotten out already yet. >> Well, some of them u again talking with them today that project's not completed. >> So some of them still need to be finished. they do that.
>> I don't know. >> I think it was his company, but um those things, you know, they make uh they make I don't really like to say it, fiberglass
gutters that look just like wood gutters, you know, and you think about how much that they're probably like a tenth the cost of all these things. And I don't I'm not sure where that stands
as far as KDUs or not, but it it sure kind of begs the question, you know, you're you're paying, let's just say it was $60,000 for these gutters. It's probably more because they had to make they had to
make the special dyes to cut these gutters to profile like it was. Then they got to buy the wood. You got to put them up. then you got to maintain them all, you know, every year with oil and then they rot out still. >> Whereas for a tenth the cost, you get
these other guns that look the same from the ground, but they're not wood >> and um they'll last definitely. >> Yeah. >> So, um Oh, preservation. What you want?
Authentic stuff. That's not the authentic. And you can always go back later and put up with guns if you wanted to. It's not like you're tearing down like the West Wing of the White House. Yeah. >> And putting up >> $1000 million ballroom
>> because you can get down in the ballroom again, but you can't put the White House back up. >> So, >> I don't know. But yeah, we should be involved in any >> okay >> any discussion as to what they want to do with that. If they're changing things, if it's identical stuff, that's
not an issue. I mean, there was something talk about a door, too. The door, >> the front door. >> Yeah. >> Um, good. >> Oh, yeah. It was one thing. >> Yeah. Uh, and then just something for um the future. Um, the fire department may
be going for some CPC funds for next year. The old host house on Main Street um does need some work. Um, so that this might be something on our radar. That's all. >> What kind of work? Um some of the doors needs um need to be uh fixed. Some of
the um foundation uh needs to be repaired. Uh the brick foundation and a few other things. Chim uh chimney might need some work as well. >> Mhm. >> But sorry, it was uh the what did you call it? The old >> old hose house. >> Old hose house.
>> That's the old >> Is that the surprise? >> Surprise house. Yes. Yep. >> Did you go to the house this year? >> Not this year. I didn't get it this year. It's harder now. Well, it's not harder, but less incentive now that my kids are older. Um, so >> you don't go for your own enjoyment.
>> I know I should. I should, but >> geez, I had to drag Vern out, walk down to the But um, yeah, it was it was it was a nice night. >> Beautiful night. Can't get better than that. >> Unless you had a little snow covering
from previous days. All right. >> I have one real quick one. Hey, Tom. >> Yeah. And it's a spin a quick spin-off from the book in the 1800 Civil War section. There's a little piece about was there actually underground railroad
homes, >> right? >> Um and this is, you know, the question was raised. It's undocumented, but um Beman bought a book and I think I'm pretty sure it's 110 Indian Pond Road. Thomas Kushman House >> who bought a book.
>> Gentleman who bought Yeah. He asked me um about um maybe leading with us to how could he look further into whether that house whether there's any documentation that it was a stop on the railroad. That's
the house and it's in the book that's referenced in a MHC, you know, at Tom Makers and etc. Um but that Mass Historical Commission research from maybe I don't 90s 80s Gordon Mass Gordon
Mass was probably a year back then um really just referenced um uh Mrs. Cobb's I think or was it but one of the local historians who I don't think it was Helen Foster I think it was Edith Cobb who wrote about the belief
that that was a stop and describing down below like the way the basement is and there's like a big moot seller or something that looked like a place where enslaved formerly enslaved people were living. But anyway, so it it just this
gentleman might want to pop in sometime and just ask us how do I go about checking into this further. Maybe he can't or maybe he finds something else in the house. >> Um I I hopefully I don't have I think it's 110 in pond but it's in the book.
Um >> yeah, I remember seeing that. This has come up before a long time ago. >> Yeah. Yeah. But um I wouldn't I wouldn't know where to stop. You're the researcher, you know. >> Well, amateur at best, but Tom, but hey, who
knows? You >> you look at it. >> Yeah. >> Tom might actually have it. But um Larry Hunt was one of the high school teachers, lived on Main Street by the Yeah. He had a documented room in his house. It's an old colonial there that was used and he did a thesis on the
Underground Railroad >> and I don't know if it was this area specific. Yeah, >> he might have some knowledge of some of the other buildings. >> Really? >> I check Tom had the discussion. I'm not sure if he has that thesis or not, >> right? >> Is Larry Hunt still alive?
>> No, he's right now. >> Which hunt was it? because there was Larry Hunt was on the commission too, wasn't it? Larry Hunt >> was he may have been >> but they moved over into um Oakville and
they're still >> No, >> that's still alive. >> No, but that's not the one. >> They lived a couple houses up from St. Joe's. >> Yeah. And Diane, this widow uh Bill
>> Do you know where the thesis was from? Do I get it? >> I don't. >> We have We can get that. It's might be. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Cool. >> Yeah. >> All right.
All set. >> Next meeting is when? >> It is February 11th, 6:30 in this room. >> Really? >> Yeah. So, January, February, and March are down here. Okay. 2026, brother.
>> Yeah, I know. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. >> Doesn't seem like a real date. >> All right. So, we need motion to adjurnn. >> Make the motion to adj. >> All in favor? All right.