Uh we'll open up the uh March 24th school commissioners meeting. Elaine the Orig. >> Okay. We only have the room till like 5:25. Uh so we'll just focus on the Marramar project. Um we got the contracts the
contract the proposed contract yesterday afternoon. um which um a lot to digest in a short span of time. I know I have some cons some uh questions. Um so anybody else? Brian, do you want to start?
>> Definitely have a bunch of questions. >> Okay. >> First of all, um this is fairly comprehensive. It's it's a great site. >> Yeah, that's that's good news. Um, I went through this last night for a couple hours and then he read it in the scene and the
highlights that I wanted to, you know, because everyone just got it and it is a very comprehensive document which we need to get to Jay as soon as we can hopefully after this meeting just to get him going and Elena as chair can be kind of the coordinator with Jay on
>> Yep. >> what the feeling of the board is you know going forward with our comments have today. So that being said, the thing that jumped out at me and as I read through it again, it's it starts to become more succinct, but the allocated
capacity um as a definition that means 44,000 gallons per day allocated to this project. That was a red flag to me because we're not giving them at 44,000 gallons a day. That's a and what my comment was this is for purposes of a
betterment fee or uh access fee. Those terms need to be legally sorted out. >> Yeah. >> Because this is really not a betterment because it's in a different town. But just to be sure that no one on the other side of this and nothing in this language ever suggests that we're giving
them 44,000 gallons of capacity because we're not. We're given the capacity that should come out of these number of bedrooms should be closer to 22 23,000 gallons peak flow on a daily basis. >> We've talked about that, but I just want to be sure
>> that's said because as you go into the document near the back, it gets into talking about the ability to sell those and move them around and other people and do this and change things. Oh, time out. Time out. So that
that's kind of a theme that goes through the whole document. >> Right. >> All right. And then um all the other stuff about government approvals and some clean up here and I'm going to go through the first pages, but I'll take I promise I'll take like 15 minutes at the most
>> and I'll go page by page with you. So if you have comments on the first one, then I'll give you my >> Okay. >> So So we get it on one page. >> Um >> I'll do it for the first time. So >> Okay. >> Yeah. Everything. So the other definitions I think are
reasonable. Um as you go through it, >> the thing I have with government approvals in the middle of it, it says um including without limitation. >> Okay, >> we I mean if there's no limit, there's going to probably be some limitations.
It just concerns me that they're saying throughout the document they say with government um approvals. If one of these agencies puts a limitation on them, does that void the contract? >> Good point. Yeah, that's those are the kind of things that the legal stuff,
right? You know, and you've been doing this >> yours experience and I didn't see that one. That's why these are the kind of things that it's like takes four or five times going through them, but >> Exactly. um on government approval and this came up later couple different
places um they talk about the NPDES permit. It's later in the document but we don't have an NPDS permit. We have a groundwater discharge permit. So that's a clarification. The other is uh 310 CMR7 which is a sewer connection permit. >> Yeah. >> Program. This one he seems to jump on. I
I imagine the attorneys probably dealt with sewer extensions that dealt with things that are not residential is that's a big deal of D if you have an industrial connection any kind of connection that's not residential. They want to have a big flag industrial pre-treatment program looking at the
whole thing. So um but we do not have that. If you look at that 310 CMR7 this project is exempt does not require a permit. I just want to make sure you know we're all >> right because they do mention commercial in here. >> Yeah. when it's not residential. Okay.
>> Okay. So, um >> and at the bottom of that page, I also had public ways utility rights. It says the last sentence including without limitation ways located in Dubberry and Kingston. We have nothing to say with Daxberry. Should you know what I mean? Should we
take Dax? >> I think putting a flag on because that came up. I had some comments later on. Same thing. I didn't pick it up here, but just again, these are kind of our >> y >> initial thoughts going into this. >> Yep. >> So, here's that NPS is on the second
page. I just commented on that. Um, capacity shall vest and payment obligations shall acrew only as and when bedrooms are constructed and connected through the system. So
this is an issue because it's it goes into um this whole section goes into you had the first we still negotiate what that first payment is unrestricted payment because it was 75% now it's 50
>> right >> but um if the rest of it is only contingent upon building something and we don't get it until they actually build it I have a problem with that only says the uh other language in here says we'll give you the other remaining 25%
another 25% on and they seem to conflict they overlap in conflict with one another so it's just a flag what what is what are you really trying to say >> no good >> um and then the deposit five business days again I think they told us we
didn't ask for 75% they asked told us 75 so I would like to put 75 back on the public meeting. I think as a negotiating point after this last meeting, I'd say maybe 65 and then we'll change everything after.
But I I think um you know we're taking you know we have a real need for that cash immediately and we have enough but I think we should be what we should be fighting for is at least 75% to die and back off if we have to back
off. They again made the comment to us not we didn't ask for it. >> Right. >> Okay. I'll stop talking. There's something else on this page. >> Not for me. >> Okay. So then you going into 2.7 if it if we go to 7 65 or 75%.
Then these 25%s on 2.72 and 2.71 will will change accordingly. So if it's 75 it might be 15 and 10. So that's just a carry from there. All right. 2.9. Anything else that you start?
>> Um I have 2.8. Um 2.81. It says owner's receipt of all required governmental approvals to the project without conditions that materially adversely affect the feasibility, cost or timing of the project. We have no I mean to me
these are outs along the way. >> Okay. This let's put that flag on. I mean, you know, make sure we we're not >> there's some other language and there is some in the back that kind of comes back and clarifies it, makes it a little more that was one that I I know would
actually it was like reasonable and they have a uh instead of going to court, we have a mediation opportunity and those kind of things. So, >> that was good to see mediation. Uh >> and I was just um
2.83 A3 owners received of all easements licenses blah blah in necessary to construct operate and maintain the sewer infrastructure including offsite or intermunicipal facilities that's a lot in one statement and so are
we going to are they going to service our sewer infrastructure or you know what I mean >> later on that's that was I thought clarified I didn't pick up on that but later on we I think we talked So Dave and his our team handles anything in
Kingston, the pump station and so and they take care of anything on their property. Okay, >> that was the way we had left it because you know it says it's designed, approved, agreed to by our staff and CDM and it's consistent with everything we have on the ground so that we're not
looking at I mean it's PVC pipe there's no leaks pipe you know there's none of this stuff how they do their pump station if it's going to be preins that's going to be in the street in ducksbury it's going to be whatever you know that'll all come out in the wash >> and when you said that there's nothing
in here stating that there there's any um any of the properties that on that route >> it is in here. >> Okay. I missed that. >> It is in the end. >> Okay. Okay. >> It is in the end. I I'll point that out. >> Okay. Good. >> So again, this 2.9 transfer unused
allocated. This is the one that's applied to me. We got to just make sure we are in charge of anything. As we have always said, we're in charge of any unused capacity and there are rules and regulations. If we got to clarify that somehow, we got to do that now. I think
we're okay though because in our sewer capacity buyback program, I had Jeie pointed out the second paragraph. Only vacant lots and projects that have purchased more capacity than have been permitted for may be considered for the purchase of a new sewer capacity buyback
in this states that we manage that. >> Okay. they they there there's no other entity that has any authority over the capacity itself. >> That that that will address then a bunch of the other questions we have. Yeah.
Because just to make sure Jay and make sure it's clear >> that exactly what we've been saying all along. We're in charge of that >> they want to if they lose if they have capacity left in terms of u we will possle them out in Kingston,
>> right? And the and if okay they say they're permanent for 400 bedrooms but they only want to build 300 because it's economics >> that doesn't mean they have the extra 100 bedroomedroom capacity >> they think they do
>> right because they were permitted for >> so >> and that again that ties back in the actual flow capacity versus the EIU calculation >> right >> this is going to sound stupid I'm going to shift this Brian. It's a
Brian thing. Okay. If you understand due point, due points are really interesting. Now, due point, everyone thinks it's you think of relative humidity, it's a percent. So, it's the amount of um at a particular temperature, you can put so much water into the air and the
relative humidity is goes up by percent. So if it's it's 100% it's raining now, but it's all related to um a temperature. Due point, everyone thinks of it as a temperature. It's not. It's a number that represents
a temperature. It's not a temperature. It's a number that represents a temperature of which when it's met, water will condense. So this table's if the due point's 25, this table's 25.
water will condense on this. If the D point in this room is 25, it'll condense on this table because it's 25. If you have a can of beer that's 38 degrees, the D point 70, that's why it sweats. But it's not it does not represent like I'm going back to this now. It doesn't
represent that. The areas do not represent low. Okay, it's not low. And to that to that we can only process 80% of the plan's capacity by DP's
regulations. Selling capacity at title five enables us to maintain below that 80% so we don't um so we meet permits. If we
provide the capacity for the full 20 for the full title five, we'd be done two years ago. >> Yeah. Yeah. We'd be done, right? >> You know, so that's that's how I look at it. >> It's it's exactly the same thing. Let me just
>> Okay. So So then 293 294 these are all the effect of transfer kind of things we just talked about. >> Exactly. making sure that they're um they're not uh misunderstanding. They can't sell things they don't use.
>> Because next door, they can make a deal with them. >> They can do that. They got to tell us, we got to make the negotiations and all that, but it's we're in charge of the they just can't. The way this is written, they got this thing. They can go sell it anywhere they want. >> Well, and that's it. They can make a
recommendation to us to connect the condos, but we would manage the process >> so easy for them to pick up half that. But those buildings up there, >> right? >> To the point that maybe they only do 300
and pick that up. Uh but they what they would but they would sell at a premium to them above and beyond the war tracking >> and that's our regulations prohibit that okay that's all >> prohibit us from doing that. >> Yeah >> you know we can't
>> these are kind of the big things that sucking then all this 3.4 for inspection acceptance. They're paying for it. They're paying for construction. They're paying for um have a licensed um construction. All these things I think are really good. Zoo extensions.
Um >> yeah, I was fine with that. >> All that stuff was pretty good. All these the rest of them, third party connections, that's the one other Kingston uses make connection facilities. That's the one where I said Steve that's the one that if uh Ollie is
on if the go by his house their house they could connect Cat inspir connect this gives us um the office this gives us they're giving us the right to let people connect to their horse main or whatever it is if there's a horse man or a
gravity line we can within the town of Kingston look at connections and serve betterments on them >> betterments on >> on the new on the new connection Okay, I'm going to say we're only doing this for their project. >> Yeah, we are. >> We are definitely doing it for >> So those people along the line who may
not necessarily have any intention of connecting should in my opinion not pay a fee. >> No, they won't they won't be charged because they they can't be they're not being forced to tie in of those people
on on that particular part of the line. Okay. In practical matter, there's only two, >> right? >> That's res. It's the correct name, which is a farm. >> They have the line goes most of it's in Kingston. >> Oh, okay. >> Most of us in Kingston. So, they have >> that line,
>> but I think you're you're exactly right. There's only two. There's the the property there and it depends on if it goes down. >> This is a public meeting. >> It certainly is. Glad to have you, another conversation.
No, no, I don't like to see it. >> It's a Maramath project. >> So, so this you I think you're right. When part of it is if it goes down Landing Road, you know, that's not in
front of another house if it's in but then it opens up the farm if they want to do something like put a bathroom in. There's no bathrooms there. No, I was wondering about that. The woods,
you know. >> So, those were my thoughts. Those two properties shouldn't >> I agree. >> Cost for >> but if they want to hook up and they they >> they can utilize >> they can utilize. Yeah. Okay. >> That's all we're looking
>> again. I think that's another >> they have the option. >> Yeah, they have the option. We're not putting it with two properties. You know, who knows what will happen with Fred's property >> because it's not a missable line against that didn't install it private line. So, they're not forced to tighten
it if they don't have but they do have to. They're allowed to, but we'll we'll pay better. >> Well, may correct on that. It is going to be our line. It's going to be a admissible line. They're paying for it. It's it's for their use, but they we are going to own it and then Dave is going to be maintaining it with his staff. So,
at some point it's going to be available. I think that's what they're saying. It's available and they're not restricting us. They're doing exactly what you doing for us what we probably would ask for, which is it's there. If you want to let somebody else hook up along that line, go to it. We're not
going to stop. That's what they're saying. I think that's a good thing. But to your point, we're not forcing someone to pay a betterment just because it's there. >> Okay. >> We could, but we're not gonna >> We just need to Yeah. >> Add another meeting. We'll take a vote just to >> Yeah. But these are all the kind of things we need to plug,
>> right? Would you want to consider like within 10 years if the property needed to tie in? Did we do like grandfathering stuff in the past or you just leave it that? >> I think the way to handle this is with the water health. Title five says if you're on a sewer, if
you have if you have a septic system and your septic system feels and there's a sewer right there, you have to look. That's what title five says. So, we're not forcing them to because their septic system is working and they're maintaining it fine. If you want to keep doing that, good. But when your system fails, the board of health is going to be doing tracking the pumping and
they're going to say, "Hey, you got to up." >> Yeah, >> that's the way I think it should work. So, we're not >> So, let's put that on an agenda item for the so we can firm that out. >> Um, and for metering, I had um they want to
put in metering equipment for wastewater discharge. We don't track this judge, right? I mean, I I just say that out loud. >> This is an interesting one because we normally use water meters. >> Exactly. >> And they had use water meters and then
like we had down the nook, we used to have the irrigation water meter and to show that there were two separate flows and we got away from that because it's a pain in the neck. >> Yeah. So, um I think in this case we could and this is a question we could
put a meter on the pump station that's this that's we just monitor the pump station and have a flow meter right there >> because otherwise you got to rely on Oxford to give you the water use that property. >> Yeah. The last they just send it right
to us. We build accordingly. I >> so sometimes there's an advantage going off the water meter because if they say watering their lawn and you know you getting a premium for their usage based off the water he
meter it benefits them not us because we're only going to whatever they put in that line we're going to be. So they over there they watering their lawns and stuff. Whatever their water goes there they use. >> If we meter it at the station we we charge them just for what they use. If we meter their water meter and their
water in their lawn, >> we we would get we would a windfall from >> unless they had some other >> mechanism. But I would I would prefer to use tax's water consumption. We can easily get the bill from them every quarter
>> because I don't want to deviate from our normal >> process. I'm looking at my other note here. And and that's a thing too that just by having a a meter in the station then we have to maintain that meter and make sure that every year it's getting jacked for accuracy and at least if it's
on the water department over there it's it's up to them to >> so this is where I you exactly the point I'm looking at my notes as we're talking saying okay I'm put my kinson we have problems with kinson meters we don't trust them then
I mean I just looked at he looked at the water commission meeting there's like 15 people they never haven't paid a nickel they have no water they're big buildings that that's public okay so part of me thinking part of my problem would be do exactly what you said keep it consistent
with what we do in Kingston use the water meters we got to go to Ducksbury we got to get it we do it quarterly whatever but we still put a water meter I mean a sewer meter on there something simple so we can at least compare >> you know if we're getting 10,000 gallons
a day and not our meat. I mean, it's they're only getting 4,000 gallons a day. I mean, I just some kind of an accountability audit. >> The only place you can get >> if there's an infiltration problem or something like that at least that would track. >> Exactly. In that point, too, all the
kinds of things that we want to be concerned, you know. >> Okay. >> But again, it's a flag to kind of make sure we flush that out because it's I I'm working into auditing stuff. >> Yeah. deal with I'm deal with some other things right now that you would not
believe as millions of dollars. So no audit 15 years of connecting a check with somebody nobody audited how to give you a number. He's off by millions of dollars.
>> Oh to go back. >> Yep. >> Uh so then all the other things these are all kind of pretty nastandard things. >> Yeah. That's basically saying that we won't treat them any different for an out of town rate or some charge them
extra because of index in like Kingston. >> Really? This is where you can't >> that's what typical a lot of people would do. You know, a lot of towns would do that. I mean, >> um they have they have 30 days. We can
just change that language so it's quarterly. The way we talked about they have 30-day billing and we have quarterly billing. Uh yeah, we fill our water. >> I just thinking under the billing here that quarterly
back. >> Most of this other stuff is pretty, you know, pretty uh >> where did you see there monthly? >> 5.2 >> 5.2. >> Yeah, Billy. >> Oh, I see you. Yeah. We have mechanism like right now
everything go through our bills through the water deplet. >> Yeah. We're going to end up direct bill. >> Well, what we would probably do is have Dutchberry send us their bills and then we'd import them into Nunes and just
have them come out with the regular >> quarterly bills. One of the questions on that point is this is >> find out when they when they build. >> Can they if they could meter what would be nice if we put in with the CDM pot if they have a meter a master
meter that goes then goes to all the houses then we have one meter we have to worry about calibrating and then it goes and they they sell and buy the water within all these hundred homes or whatever they are. You know we have one master meter then we have one master meter go against our meter and we don't
have this difficult auditing >> thing that would simplify >> you know so we have one meter going into their subdivision whatever that's going to be called. >> Yeah. >> And again that's just that's again make your life your life my life just one
number you know what it is some history. So that would be maybe that's another way to think about it >> instead of a hundred different bills going out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just >> country does it does it that way. Yeah. Exactly. Typically that's how they >> Exactly. >> And then debate. >> Yeah.
>> And let them worry about the or they may just, you know, um I know that when we talk to kind of country, I mean they they basically let's say everybody water the gardens the same, you know, because they don't have they don't have fights between this neighborhood who doesn't want to water the garden.
>> Everybody want an entree that's $15 each. Um so and I just had on 5.5.4 says this section shall survive any amendment to the sewer rules and regulations and shall control in the
event of a conflict. So I mean I just want to make sure that we have language that's saying whatever we change our rules and regulations for everybody else >> they're going to be affected as well. >> Yeah. >> Because you want to be treated like the Kingston properties and
>> Yeah. We're not This is true. >> Yes. And our rules and regulations apply to everybody. >> Yes. And And should uh federal change? >> No. >> Okay. That's all I got.
>> So then all the rest of these determination stuff, that's something I think Jay needs to look at. >> Yeah. >> Clarify. But I wasn't going to get into the bug dust there. Um 7.6 termination by owner. 7.6.3 Neither party shall have further
obligation to the other except for obligations that expressly survive termination. This I think it's part of your point just now. >> Um this vesting of capacity. >> Yeah. >> Again and we're not vesting anything, right? >> We own it. Our rules. So, it's a matter
of filling our rules of health. We're not giving away anything. They're not paying for it. And vice versa, right? They don't own anything. >> And just um if you could just go back page back to um
7.3, the last sentence, it says, "In the in no event shall Kingston terminate service for non-payment of disputed amounts while such dispute is being resolved in good faith." Is that common? or do you pay the bill and then if it's just when you
>> to me that's that's good that's a good line as long it's in resolved in good faith that's gets back to their next group comments it's just it's just saying as long we're being fair with each other yeah >> you're not going to terminate when they it's like this it's like the the rag
people you know we're trying to be nice we're trying to find and then they go and give you the finger so I want the time out no more good faith here okay >> that's the way I look at it Okay. So, capacity, we agree on that. Um,
>> examification. Those are all things I want to let the lawyer talk about. It seemed fair to me. Record retention, all that. The rest of these were more boilerplate kind of things. >> Yeah. >> Um, that really, you know, then is the schedule at the
end. Oh yeah, >> Kyle missed the first part which is the way this is worded now which was when they came to us they they um we acknowledge we have capacity we've written them a letter saying we have the
capacity that they need in terms of real flow and in terms of betterment flow. So there's two different numbers. One is 44,000 that's come up with the betterment or access fee per our regulations and the actual flow is is a different number as I said but that
betterment fee number or the access fee number they offered 75% unrestricted. It's essentially a gift. We we don't have to do anything other than take it and use it. They came back with this
document of 50%. So we're going to be negotiating that. But either way, it's t we talked about two and a half to $3.5 million that will be extremely important for us on our indebtedness that we don't really have payments for because of the
change in the 1/3 2/3. We're now covering the basis of payment for all of our users. Town is not participating. So this is our way of one of our major ways to get that revenue and I bring that up publicly and
everything. >> I understand >> we this is really a big deal and if anyone wants to argue this point you pay it. Well, I've offered it in the past different administrations that the town has the ability to purchase capacity to
either reserve it so it's not used for be overdeveloped or Maple the old fire station. There's going to be something going in there at maybe and it's only it only has capacity for one house. So the the options out there for the town to
put capacity as well. So >> those were a little bit over my >> and I assume that the bylaw or however the sewer commission was ever set up gives you people full
authority to do something like this with a different town. >> There's no language to prohibit it. That's probably the better answer. >> Good. Good. In fact, it was noted in there in one of the sections that um it talked about future development
incorporating into either Plymouth or Ducks are both taking sections of each. >> Yeah. The facility plan this this this and Dave found a lot of this background. This came up in 2003 >> somewhere in there was the phase.
>> This was before I left my after my third term. This came up. But we were have this is when we didn't have capacity. The fights were to get capacity if you remember those days. I know does. I know I do. >> Um and we didn't have it. And so fast
forward, we should have had it probably 2010 2011. We had the recession. All these other things on the way. Here we are. We're done. Ready to go. Finish the whole thing. And that's the subject of our April 7th meeting. The rest of the story, so to speak. >> And that's it. And when and when I first got on, there was talk more more of
Plymouth hooking up for Cordage Park. >> Yeah. >> Than for Ducks. I mean, Dexter was thrown out for a few different projects, but there was more. My only reason for even mentioning it, I I think we all still recognize that if the sewer
business, we part of business, whatever we want to call it, gets into a real a deficit problem, right, the town is still liable. >> Absolutely. >> To pay, you know, any, >> you know, a shortfall shortfall.
Exactly. you know so that that's why I >> I would expect that there may be you know some comments or push back or discussion further discussions you know >> and and on that point and support it it's very consistent with the environmental public health not so much
public health in this case because there's nothing there it's not leing fields they're pulling out sewage but environmental health reasons this is an area that contributes right to Kingston Bay >> and and right Yeah. And uh we have sued
everything else. So it's not inconsistent I should say with all the planning we did before and it generates revenue and all the other good things. >> Right. I mean we'll get user fees from this and you know we have a responsibility to keep our rate payers from going bankrupt.
>> Absolutely. >> You know I mean >> there's three of them in this room. And and the beauty of it too is you're you're having another town pay for your assets that you're not burdening the school system by adding a development in Kingston burdening the fire department,
police department. It it's a benefit that I I see nothing wrong with no negatives. >> And it and it helps contribute to our our financial obligations in addition to taking us to the next step with getting
um the environmental phase of our projects in place with you know the wells and that section of town. So that we need money for. So it's the whole big picture. >> Are you going to send this up to council? >> Yeah. meeting. >> Yeah. >> Do do want to meet next week?
>> We have a >> We're going to meet the on the >> seven. Yeah, we can. >> I'm just saying get this back by next week. Do you want >> Yeah, why don't we >> Why don't we plan a meeting this as soon as this is finalized? >> Yeah. >> Five days later.
>> We have so try for for Tuesday >> 4:30. >> 4:30. >> Yeah. >> And >> I just want to just just I'm fine with this. I just want to say to you publicly 11.8 made it says uh Ducksberry not a party. It says nothing here creates an
obligation or liability on the part of the town of Ducks and we all agree with that. >> This is a a contract between us and the project. >> So and the meeting Tuesday will based be based on the assumption that this is
returned back from working with kids. >> Yes. pending pending its overseas might be pretty busy. >> You're right. You're right. And this keeps us focused on >> be the 31st. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> Perfect. So, I'll um get this out with the legal and you know I'll talk with them and know >> you know couple couple of very important key points but generally it's in pretty good shape.
>> Yeah, we may have to tweet it again next week. >> Oh yeah, >> that's why I was kind of pushing it forward. >> So the main the main point >> change is that we own the capacity. on the capacity >> and we would we based on our loss
reallocate >> if yeah >> and the percentage >> of payment and um I think the those are the biggest things you >> and the uh title five >> title five
uh the number those clarifying that to make sure that there's no such thing >> but definitely >> those are the big ones but then Yeah, the in between stuff. Okay, I think we're good. I think we got a foundation to go up.
Um, okay, we do have other things on the agenda. Jeie just got something from the water department. Um, Dave, uh, 12 Curtis AB um, wanted their final water in sewerville when they went for
the final read. Um it had been estimated for 15 quarters. So they had used an extra 96,000 gallons. Um, so we just five minutes before the meeting just
calculated all of that and if we charge them appropriately based on the old rate since we're talking 15 quarters um it would be $988 $99840 plus our service fee. So I'll make that
a motion >> each quarter. Each >> total total for the 15 quarters. >> Well, okay. We're going to count the new service here, >> right? The $10 in because >> Yeah. >> The service fees are repetitive per quarter, right? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. Let's make sure that wasn't just >> So it's a 99840 plus the service fees. >> Okay. >> So that's a motion. >> Oh, I'll second that motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> I Okay. if you want to talk about the
articles. >> Yeah. So, um specific we won't get on these nonsp specific but um today's our deadline to put our articles. So, we've been working
on couple different versions and basically settled on see I'll just go one by one and field debt expense reallocation. So um the article we put in last year to get one/3 to cover the debt expense from
a leeching field we'll be asking for that as part of our town meeting articles. um description prescription basically calls for $137,753 to defay one-third of the leeching field debt service and of course the users
would take the 2/3 being $275,506. So, if that article passes, we've put together our FY27 wastewater department budget
with the Legion field debt being passed and then we put down another option as if it were passed. So the unfortunate thing is we haven't gotten sufficient information from the accounting department to actually know what our
numbers are by 26. So, um, you should have a copy of everything here, but instead of the label without dollar amounts, which you have related to in the past, we've just left, you can see the red dollar signs.
Um, they're basically placeholder at this point. I emailed Scott to let him know that this is paid these articles that, uh, they're placeholders at this point until we get some additional information. Um, Genie and I have been working real
hard the last couple of weeks to at least try and figure out on our end where our finances and things are, but ultimately um, the accounting department has all the numbers out to run with. So, in order to be more accurate and not
rely on our own numbers, as we've done in the past, we're waiting to get those numbers from the county. And that all rolls into the FY25 um year-end closing. Um again, based on Jeanie and Dave's numbers, we um have a
balanced budget for 25 and probably on surplus, but we need the state to certify all of that. And that's our hold up that we don't know if we're in a deficit or not. We believe we're not, but again, we need the state to certify
us. And is your 27 budget um okay with your current rate structure >> as as your is your best estimating it now? >> Yes. >> And with and without the 137k.
>> So um we're anticipating what we've done in years past is we take an article as a placeholder to cover any shortfalls we may have. Um, a lot of it depends on additional growth that we might see in this upcoming year. Um,
whether our accepted revenue is going to be as uh positive as it has been. Uh, so there's a few variables. Uh, we're going to have 300,000 as one of the u both of the FY27 budget articles call for
putting $300,000 as a placeholder on the revenue side. So with that being said, we should be good. >> You know, if if free cash comes in at 2 million plus, then I don't think we have
any problem with 137K. If it comes in at a million dollars, we've already got goddamn lease commitments for capital over a million dollars. I've only got 400k in the capital reserve, plus
another 400k from, you know, the meals tax this coming year. So I I'm I'm proposing that we minimize capital expenditures and you know but >> yeah we'll all be we'll all be in a
better spot once we know what the numbers are >> and and without there is some stuff in the town having its own uh issues and floods but if this may go forward it's going to open a lot of doors for us and
help us out you be much better shape for the next four or five years and then >> won't be my problem after that >> and we're looking at our rates year by year. So as as things develop through
town meeting we may look at you know going to four quarters for the Legion Field or two quarters now. So there there's different things we'll have to address as that comes forward but we've we have a contingency plan in place. >> Yes. And and it does come down to um
just this this project alone, the user fees, you know, that we're we're getting um revenue for unrestricted revenue. We're calling it um that we could use, you know, for data design for next FA
next phase. But the user fees will also be consistent because you know again we we have sewer customers and there's only 1,800 and it's a million multi-million dollar project. I shouldn't even say project
operation and we can't we have to be conservative. >> Sounds good to me. And so with a continuation of that, a couple other requests for uh articles. We have a
supplemental article to move 229,168 from unexpended town meeting articles um with the first funding the FY26 budget shortfalls and that's just a placeholder if there is any shortfalls
but again without the data from federal we have no way to know but we should be balanced but this will help us through if anything were needed. Um, we've tracked through the last eight
months of FY26 and the way we're trending right now, we should be either balanced or plus or minus 50,000. So, this 249,000 will definitely be a buffer one way or
the other. Um, and then the last one is to move that the town transfer $300,000 from the FY25 operating budget. Line item 704452252. Move it to the FY27
undesated fund balance for any shortfall in debt, operating budget, salaries, unforeseen expenses. Uh basically what this does is it takes the article from the um April 2025 annual town meeting article 2
that was supposed to supplement the FY25 budget shortfall. It was actually placed into a budget category. So instead of helping on the revenue side, it was placed into
a budget item. Uh, so it enhanced our contract services from somewhere in the $300,000 range to $600,000. So it should have been placed in revenue. So we're just asking that this gets taken back out of the FY25 budget
item that it was placed into and put into FY27. >> And that's a backup that that request has been made to accounting throughout the year to just do a journal entry and move it back where it should be. And this is in case it's not done in time
for town meeting. We don't want an inflated budget. >> In which case, we just call the article correcting the accounting mistakes. >> Yeah. >> And if it's fixed ahead of time, we don't need it to go forward. >> Exactly. It won't be
>> Did you want to add something to that? J >> and that we had confirmation from the Department of Revenue from Deb Wagner that what should have happened with that? >> Yeah. that this calls calls for to be corrected >> and our request so far haven't been
satisfied to to have it moved. So >> So that's what we've got. These are all placeholders. Like I say, some of the numbers I wish we had a little >> tighter number. >> That's really good though. I mean we can
do is best we can. the the the other side of it is that because of what you've been doing, we feel comfortable that we're in good shape more or less. >> Mhm. >> As opposed to a lot of people and they're so sure they're not feeling that way right now.
All you have to rejust them every day. And just on a short note too, Green and I worked in a couple of Excel spreadsheets today tracking our FY26 and I kind of uh referred to this that we've
tracked the eight months and you know with our added septage revenue this year with the third tank we've really brought our numbers up and we should be should be on par and we've done the same thing with 27 is forecasted where we should be
with that 300,000 we be in good shape. Good. >> And and the things coming down the pike, just in general, the things coming down the pike, there's a potential things at the mall. I hear that's going the right direction. Put that a lot of that capacity bought, but
there's more capacity bought. So, we have that what's going to go on drive coming up do this in future. So there's a lot more revenue sources that aren't too far in the future and they're big numbers. >> How was um any update on Bushman Farms?
>> So um April 7th, the zoning board is going to be uh in this room um at 6:00 p.m. deliberating with Jay going over it. So after that, we'll have a little more of a answer, but the um case was closed. Um,
so they have 30 days to deliberate. So we don't know if it's going to be a one or two session. >> Okay. >> And finally, there's somebody on the selectment, board selectman, that's supporting that >> and we have them in the room with us.
>> Yeah. I didn't say that. >> I believe we have them in the room with us. Um, anything else? So that will that will that will um open up sewing the industrial park which
is not silly for that piece of it. >> Yeah, that's excellent. >> And there's a lot of potential there as well. >> Development period. >> Yeah. >> Right off the highway. That's how we got Amazon. Right off the highway. Um
anything else, Dave? Anybody? What was this? >> You want to give it your last 24 hours? >> Oh yeah. If you guys want to hear a little six minutes enlightenment to my last 24 hours as days you contemplate which path you took
in life. This was a challenging 24 hours. >> So last night we had a UPS uh battery backup system that runs our skater system that just decided, you know what, I'm done. So, it stopped working around 10 o'clock last night,
>> right? >> And without a battery backup system to run it, if you lose power, shut the computers off and it won't call us out. So, 10:00 last night, Carl went in for all these calls that came in and he was
able to borrow one of our battery backups from our spare GBT unit, got it hooked up and running by 11 o'clock last night. So, that got us through the night. This morning we had a technician come in
from Indiana to fix our VFD that fried a year and a half ago. It's been a scheduling nightmare to get this guy in. Nationwide search. They have no one in the area that can fix our VFDs. They had to fly a guy in from Indiana today.
>> So he came in >> came in this morning was there at 8 o'clock. started ripping into it and um updated the software in it. The new software update would not work. He spent all day long trying everything there
was. He had to exit that software, go back to the original software from three years ago and all of a sudden the thing started working. the same time I'm in meetings upstairs about our emergency management plan and department head meetings and um the
solenoid let go on our water supply for our polymer system for the GBTs. So, I'm up here trying to deal with all this finance stuff and all these other meetings and you know, Carl's back there trying to help the the guy with the BFDs
who's only in today and it's $6,000 to bring them in for a day. Um, meanwhile, all our wasting and stuff couldn't happen. So, by the end of the day, the BFD got fixed. The polymer system will be fixed tomorrow morning. Our UPS
system got fixed. You know, we're pretty much back up and running. By 10 o'clock tomorrow, we'll be back at normal. >> Well, that's good to hear. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Did Did any of this Did he
probably This is not the first time he's had this problem somewhere. That storm and all the stuff with everything going back up power and things were under stress and there's all kinds of things. Is anything related to that? last night. I don't know if there was anything
really oddball that happens. Things just >> happen. I you know, it's it's unexplainable, but you know, this guy had a guy he was talking to someone over in France today to try and trouble chew up. We have to Kingston. >> Can't make this stuff up.
>> No. No. And unfortunately, everything's so um high tech these days. Everything needs its own IP address. They need to communicate with each other. And if it's not getting the right signal, it just won't work. It could be something as
simple as a software update that doesn't communicate with a piece of equipment that just came in six months ago. >> Yeah. >> It's no longer you turn on a switch as an operator. >> You need to have an IT person. You need
to have, you know, your your skater people on board, an electrician on board. and a mechanic to be able to swap out things in the middle of the a night for an emergency. >> Yeah. Outside the box. >> Well, we appreciate it. Oh, thank you.
It's uh Some days it's a challenge. Some days it's a fun challenge. >> Today was not a fun challenge. >> I signed up for it. Second. >> Good.
Take a motion to adjourn. >> Motion. >> A second. All >> in favor? >> I