Okay, let's call our meeting to order audit. First order of business, we have a hearing on a varian request for clearing file room. Mr. Grady, sir. >> Hi, my name is Max Capola uh with Grady
Consulting. We're presenting our client uh Buzz Artiano at 11 Clearing Farm Road. Um we are requesting a variance to the 800 square foot um requirement for a leeching field uh for the proposed accessory dwelling unit on the property.
Um page here to see a zoomed in view here. Um so as you can see uh we proposed the Thank you. Thank you. >> Over separate to the left of the accessory dwelling unit. And in order
um for us to have attached it to the existing um leashing field, they would have had to cross a water line, rip up uh pavement, and rip up this front yard. So, we thought it was more reasonable uh to propose it by itself over here. Um,
and to have it be uh 800 square ft for a two-bedroom um uh accessory dwelling unit uh we felt was um over oversizing it a little too much. >> Single bedroom single bedroom in the ADU
or two? >> It's two. >> Two. >> It's two bedroom. It's a two-bedroom ADU, Buzz. >> Two bedroom ADU, >> one bath. >> Yes. >> And how many square feet of leech you get? >> Uh, we have uh 434 ft of
>> Okay. Um, anybody have any questions? >> I think it sounds quite reasonable. >> The only reason I brought in besides the reduction in build size is there's a grading even on the property. So, um, just letting everybody know that. Other
than that, I think it makes more sense to obviously undersize the field, >> right? >> I would entertain a motion to accept the variance with no further expansion. So, moved. >> There you go. Somebody would second that. I think we could wind this up.
>> I'll just second that. >> Okay. All in favor? >> Good with that. Very good. bringing your dad home >> hopefully. >> Good luck. >> So, if you're thinking about building an ADU, don't wait too long cuz when you
need it, you need it. >> You need it quicker. >> Y Good point. >> Good luck with everything. >> Thank you. >> You'll be missed. >> I'll let it takes me less time to put this away. >> Okay, moving on.
>> We're just passing that variance paper around to be signed, but that's so moving on. Has anybody had a chance to take a look at the bills? >> We decided not to give it to him. Remember the last meeting? >> No, that was your
memory. >> So, everybody seeing the bills have a good night. >> Have a great night. Thanks, Michael. >> Okay. You have any signs? >> We have some minutes. >> Dennis, we had a minute from the meeting of March 2nd. Everyone was here.
>> Yeah, I moved to accept the minute that March 2nd had presented. >> Second. >> Second by Carol. Anybody have any questions, additions, changes? >> Hearing none as always, Lori. Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you.
>> She's all in favor. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Okay, Joy, what do you got? >> Um, so septic has been picking up. It's not
crazy, but it's definitely gaining some moment. The weather is broke. Um, we are due to get more tickets in through part of the grant. We are working to
um on getting hazmat training as part of the grant for because we're responsible as health agents for all this hazmat stuff, but yet the state provides no training for us. Um, so as part of the grant, we're looking to get one of the
heset guys from the Brockton State Fire, I can't think of the right word, company or whatever, but >> the state fire marshall's office part of the hazmat team is supposedly going to
come and do some training for the six towns in the grant, but we'll probably open it up to other health agents in the near vicinity. for the marrier it's a fee one fee so the more people we can get trained the
better um in addition the Kingston will be housing housing hosting the housing training for tier three which I'm a part of so for the in the end of April into
May and June once a week for like five weeks uh we'll be conducting the training here so it works out well for me I don't have to Um and that will conclude my
training in the for the to the to meet the state housing inspection coursework for the new safe 2.0. Um so as that proceeds I'll let you know uh tobacco hearings. um wanted to let
you know that I have spoken with MHA and the tobacco specialists and that I will send all the documents that they have provided me the guidance documents. So the only purpose of this hearing that we are having is not as we all have already
discussed no fines can be remitted or excused. That's the state people that were um cited have to pay that. The only thing that this board could do would be to not
have them lose their license for the allotted time period. I will send you the documents and you all obviously will make that decision when you hear the hearing. To my knowledge, I think we only have one of the three businesses coming. We haven't heard back
from anybody else. Right. At last time I checked, there's just one. >> Just the one that is a definite >> and that's the Brazilian point. Correct. and they're supposed to be selling their business. And so, um, I believe that's probably at least in part why they want
to get this taken care of because imagine it's going to >> do their due diligence before they process the sale. >> Well, and the new owners came in to, you know, look at our stuff and we informed them that they are up for a hearing so
to be aware of it because it will pass to the, you know, this doesn't go away, >> right? So that that's where we're at with the tobacco. Like I said, I will send that out to everybody. So please check your email so that you can read it prior to the hearing. Um >> you lost a little bit there. So there's
a tobacco housing hearing. Did you reference? No. No. That's a training. >> Oh, that's >> You guys all have tobacco hearing for the three >> right >> businesses that had non-compliance, >> right? Okay. >> Complaints.
>> Okay. They have a right to have an appeal hearing. >> Okay. >> The problem is the only thing that you could possibly do is wave the loss of right to sell cigarettes for whatever the time is that you guys deemed was appropriate. So
>> um as far as um >> All right. So just just so refreshing my memory on this. So that was what we got last week and all the >> I mean I'm sorry last at at our last meeting we got that report from the state
>> for the report. I didn't get it yet. So I have all the paperwork. I had to talk to people at the state. >> Okay. So we haven't seen that yet. Is that correct? >> No. That's why I'm going to email it to everybody. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Just I want everybody to have it. You can read it for the meeting. >> Okay. >> So that we uh can conduct the hearing
correctly. All it comes down to is that they don't want us to have monetary discretion on the fines. They being the state. That's what it really comes down to. >> So they're saying we can no longer forgive or alter the fine structure for
those offenses. Right. However, we can if it if a if a a suspension of the license to sell is attached to the fine, >> we can address that. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> There you go. >> Great. >> Okay.
>> Um >> but that money that money still comes to the town, right? >> No. No. No. >> Goes to the state. >> I thought they told us that it went to the town. estate the one that runs the inspections and they have to pay for the inspector and the investigations and
>> I'm not I can't tell you for sure if the money >> it gets paid here >> so I don't know if it goes into the general fund >> back to the state I don't know >> it goes into the general fund I don't mean it doesn't go to the us I said to the town even though the state does the
work the the fine goes to the town >> the state doesn't really do the work part of the grant is that we pay Bob Colette from the tobacco coalition to perform our inspections, our undercover inspections.
>> So, it's it's part of the grant. >> Okay. >> But he works for the state is the tobacco collaborative. And the reason we do that, that's all he does. He knows the right way to do it. He knows what the rules are. I don't have time to groom an 18-year-old on how to go buy a
pack of cigarettes and go out with them because you have to be present when this happens. >> Yeah. >> So, it's it's just it's better for the town, better for the department. >> It's more cost efficient. >> Oh, yeah. >> Well, and it's in liability wise, it's it takes everything. We're not trying to
set anybody up because I don't even know when the um inspections I mean I know they'll say, "Hey, we're going to be doing inspections, but they sound like they call and say, "Hey, this Saturday we're going out to do inspections." I don't I get after the fact I get who didn't comply and who did.
>> So, it kind of takes any um chance of being accused of not being indiscriminate. So, >> okay. >> It's just better for us. Um, and then I do have a flyer to show you. We will be
we've been working Annie the nurse has been working with the school. So, this will be >> hosted by Carol Beck and um they have a smaller FL I just printed this out so you can see >> PBS sponsoring it. >> Yep. Well, they do if you're the parent
you scan this, you make your appointments. It's a way because Carol doesn't want to have the vaccine clinics at the because we often do it at the school, but they don't want it. I'm not getting into why. I don't know and I don't care. >> I'm not pushing for something somebody doesn't want.
>> So, they're going to provide this as information. I'm also going to um approach Sue Woodward tomorrow because I'll see her at managers meeting and let her know that we have this and that they are open to the option of having one at at the
fields or at the rec center whatever as a means to get people vaccinated especially the upcoming camp and um summer programs where sometimes the vaccine vaccines are required to attend. >> Try to do it make it easy. >> Back might want to push that on there.
Um, >> we will push this as on the website, >> but we have a PDF we can send them should they want to send it out the way they send out so many beautiful notifications on a regular basis. >> Yep. And that way it gets posted. We'll
put it on our Facebook feed on our website. >> Um, also dealing with, you know, it may potentially even get posted in the library. >> Is it going to be at the rec? Yeah,
>> I'm going to talk to Sue Woodward tomorrow and Donald Cologne tomorrow at the manager's meeting about having them post it because I literally just got this over the weekend. >> Cut off the presses, right? >> Over the weekend. >> Great. >> Um
and then um the the rest of it, the the we address the food inspection postings and the um retail food service. I just have some questions about a few things, but I think it's better tabled for another meeting. >> Okay.
>> If that is acceptable to everybody. >> That's fine. >> Okay. >> And then I have the nurs's report if you want me to just kind of highlight what's been going on. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Okay. So, basically told you about Carol
Beck um in CVS. So that's done. Uh we met with Plymouth County outreach and we are working on getting sandboxes for any of the town buildings that want them. Um and then AEDs. We're also working on getting AEDs supplied whoever needs them
in the town built town building wise. >> Um she has completed her um CPR training. So we're going to be working on doing our first one doing it with the COA staff so that we can kind
of get our feet wet in a small way. So the three of us will be providing that class. Um uh she also Annie also submitted uh application for certification for the clinical laboratory improvement amendments so
that um when she's doing um sugar the insulin tests and cholesterol and that there's a whole procedure we need to go through and so she's already put the applications in. we know what we need to get as far as
meters because it has to be a multi-user meter. Um so she's done that. She's also um per got clea that's the name of this organization that certifies us all the certifications for what the meters that
we're going to use. So that's done. She's starting work on planning and health fair and she has completed more trainings on TB tick born diseases and um because they're all reportable to maven so she's been doing she's like a
little machine whatever training she can get her hands on >> she's quite she's awesome >> that is amazing to have somebody just come in >> they do their work they ask questions when it's appropriate and they just go to town and do what they need to get Okay. So,
>> great. That's it for me. >> Okay. >> Before you say that, anything from Janet Wade? >> Um, she's doing her Kingston women group, so I get updates on that, but it's not directly necessarily related to this department. She did provide a a new
updated resource list, which is helpful. We put it in our book of resources and so when people call, we have the ability to provide that. So, that's been good. Um, I haven't met with her because she was out of town for a little bit. I think she was visiting family and then I
was out and so we just haven't, you know, we email back and forth, but I haven't met with her. So, I'm guessing probably by the end of the month I'll have a meeting with her. >> So, have you heard of this new group? >> So, I'm Kingston Women helping Kingston Women. >> Yes.
>> Yes. Yeah, I'm on. Yes. Yes. >> You're going to report on it? >> Oh, I Oh, >> yes. >> Okay. Well, I didn't we don't >> You're gonna talk about it. >> So, I wasn't able to go to the last meeting. I had a commitment this past Friday. I went to the initial meeting
which was very instructive for me. I sort of learned about things happening on Kingsland I had no idea were happening. Um and so that's that's really good and it and it is looking at um what it is that will help improve the quality of health of um or quality of
life of people living here in kings specifically women to women were a lot of focus on older women um and a couple of issu couple of areas that were identified pretty quickly were um lack of transportation options in the time if
you don't have your own private vehicle right um and how that can impact people being able to go to their medical appointments or pick up what they need >> um and also contribute to their isolation. >> Yeah. >> You know um so that was um that was one big one.
>> And I think the group split into um a few different areas to focus on priorities. I haven't I haven't looked at that information yet. That was just from past Friday. But it's a pretty um pretty dynamic group. um very um you know representative of a lot of different departments.
>> Um I know we do have one of the members there that spent a fair amount of time with the um nurse at the elementary school and got some good information from her. I wish I had gone to the last meeting. I unfortunately missed out. >> But there's a lot of there's a lot of things that dovetail with the board of
health, you know, aging in place. >> So, you know, I I'm sort of on there with that frame of reference. Um, I made it clear I don't speak for the board, although I'm a board member, but that's sort of my frame of reference when I participate. Yeah. Yeah. >> Dennis, maybe we're gonna have to start
one for the old guys. >> Yeah. See, there you go. >> I've had a few old guys. >> Well, usually about us. >> Well, actually, there is a concern. I mean, >> now that I'm not quite as young as I used to, >> I consider myself a teenager with lots
of experience. >> Uh, no. the um the need for um home health aids. Uh people who have uh uh disabilities, whether they're temporary or not, like a replacement, you know,
shoulder replacement or whatever. Uh if you're by yourself or if your partner is, you know, phys mobally challenged, uh those are things that you need. I mean, those are are a lot of >> practical things that when you're
younger, you take >> you take for granted until they're not there, you go, "Oh, boy, this is difficult." >> Do we not have a bus in town that takes people? >> Yeah, we got um you know, some of the feedback that
we got on that is it doesn't run frequently enough. It doesn't cover enough areas. But um the weekly >> also has rise you can call >> but is that only there >> or is that two appointments too? >> Right. Right. Um so any medical needs
the counseling will do it. Um so I did do um I did do sort of a deep dive into some of the questions that were asked at the very first um meeting and um identified a lot of resources. I just didn't bring that information. I didn't know that that was going to be I'm happy to more fully report on the that on the
next time. That'd be funny. >> But I did identify um like different modes of transportation. Um and there is a long list and I think you know one of my questions was do we really have a lack of transportation or lack of information about it. >> Sure.
>> Yeah. That the big question I have you know so we sort of need some more data I think before we um and I had shared my thoughts on that with um the written feedback that I sent to them >> hitting on isolation. >> Yes. >> The horror stories I could tell. >> Right. Right.
>> That we've dealt with over the years. >> Right. Yeah. >> All could have been >> right. Absolutely right. >> Once these people lose contact with their friends, neighbors, and the rest. I talk about that at the senior center every time on the campaign trail.
>> Right. >> Yeah. But keep hitting on that. >> Okay. >> So, I thought what you wanted to hear from me was the um >> I do. >> Oh, the confus. Yeah. from the conference m it's Massachusetts Association of Health Board. Yeah,
there's so many acronyms in the public health field. >> I know I look right actually looked them up, >> right? NHV. Yeah. By the way, everybody, happy um National Public Health Week. >> Hey, >> I know, right?
>> Same. >> Today, first day, National Public Health Week. All right. So um yeah, >> bad idea. >> Well, there you go. There you go. Right. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. And they they are doing a lot of programming. >> So there maybe next year we can participate like in their yearly thing.
I guess they always do it in April. >> So was it the similar to the one we attended last year? >> Um yes it was basically it was basically the same format but it was all updated. It was all updated. It was very interesting. So I got all the slides. >> Is there anybody who doesn't want to
receive them? Let me just put that. I hate to flood people's inboxes with all this stuff. >> Anybody who's not interested send them to them. >> All right, perfect. Okay, I'll send them all out. Then we then we're all on the same page, right? >> Right. Yeah. Yeah. And share the
information. >> You don't want you don't want to do it, don't look. >> Yeah. Delete it if you don't want to read. >> Yeah. Well, I know, but sometimes people don't like, you know, a lot of stuff coming into their inbox. So, yeah, I could take a few minutes and just go over some of the things that were highlighted. What was your favorite
thing? >> So, actually, you know, my favorite thing with all of these kind of conferences was actually talking to the people who were there. >> Um, so people who were sitting at our table were from Fair Haven and Randolph and a lot of people from that wound up at the table. Um, but then chatting with
other people around, you know, finding out, so what's up with you or what do you folks struggle with? You know, what is it that you're really doing? Um, and so I heard a lot about um nuisance complaints >> that Yeah. It kind of Right. Right. Right. It kind of surprised me. It was like news >> in spring.
>> Okay. And the roosters are out. I don't know. Um but turns out a lot of towns just have an out and out. No roosters allowed in the town, which I didn't really realize was a thing, but it's fairly common. No roosters. Right. Right. Love to bring that. >> Ours are not that's not in our farm
regulations. We did that. >> Oh, no. It's not right. It would be up to the board of health to do that to say, you know, >> No, it's a townwide thing. town meeting. It's my understanding. >> Oh, okay. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't ask them how they got that um passed, but yeah,
>> with the LR regions, >> huh? >> It's the LR regulation. >> The LR >> loud boosters regulation. Yeah. So, that was just one of the nuisances. Other people are really struggling with the whole windmill thing and the noise of the windmills >> and the light flicker from them too.
>> Exactly. Exactly. So, one case that they picked to illustrate the whole nuisance thing and they did a fairly in in depth, I would say maybe hour and a half on different nuisances. Um, but one that was really interesting and I've seen signs up about this in Pemroke. I don't know if you've seen the signs up to say
no BS stands for battery energy storage systems, >> right? Um, and I think I know other towns have sort of been proactively looking at that, trying to get them um, regulations in place before they're asked.
>> Lately, it's been on their radar. >> No, this battery. >> Oh, the batteries. Well, the problem with the battery got to get approval from the fire department. >> That's part. Yeah, that's a big part of it. >> That's correct. Yeah. So, here we was a
big slide presentation, but here are a couple of slides. I picked out I thought it was more informative. Um so the question is where does public health fit into this right? Um is battery energy storage a public health issue? Um it is not an energy question. Um let's see. So
um I got a little tiny print here. Energy policy at state is is a state level concern although the risks are felt in the in the local town. So the town doesn't have any say over u that particular issue. Um and it's not a zoning issue um because the land use
permits do not address uh the location of the facilities. So it is a public health protection question um and it is um it does fit in the jurisdiction of the public health departments. They illustrated a couple of pounds dealt with that. Um it was
very interesting. Um a lot of push pull in the town departments, you know, one entity saying it was their perview and another saying it was their perview. Um I think it went to litigation and it um did fall to the board of health because it was a um a nuisance and noise and
trade. So it was the noise level from these battery storage places >> which battery storage places are we talking about? We don't have any. >> We don't have any yet. >> I have solar and I have I have battery
backup. That doesn't huge buildings that are full of batteries that back up AI and computerenerated stuff. They're they're literally >> huge industrial buildings that all they do is house batteries, >> right? >> So, there's a issues that can come with
it, >> right? >> Fire being one of them, right? >> Not being able to put them out, >> right? fires huge, >> right? There's a lot of toxic chemicals involved. If they do catch on fire, not only is it a fire hazard, it's a chemical issue. Right. Right. Right.
Right. And a noise issue. >> Um and it was >> they emit a low hum. >> Yeah. A low hum. And they say it at the desk level of someone having a conversation in a room. um which doesn't sound like a lot, but if it's constantly going on all the time, you know, the way
they illustrate that is imagine if sometimes like if you're in a restaurant, right, and um the people next like in your table right next were just having a conversation like you hear it >> and it's not an overwhelming noise, but at that same decel um for houses within a pretty significant distance of that.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, >> quality of life issue. >> A quality of life issue. Absolutely. Absolutely. Which is which is where um it fell to the board health in these particular towns and it had to do with the sighting of these establishments.
They were very close to um like an over 55 community um and there was another maybe an adult daycare center there as well. There were a lot of people of vulnerable populations that would need to be removed from the area as quickly as possible. The big um over 55 housing
only have one entrance and exit to that. I don't know how that even happened to begin with, right? But that was like a, you know, um, and it was also cited to close and yeah, there was another town that went through a fairly lengthy process.
But anyways, the the advice, you know, sort of long story short, the advice on that is to look proactively >> um, and maybe, you know, look what other towns are doing as well. Kind of share information and best practices because the thing is we all like electricity, right? You know, we do everybody,
>> right? right? You know, they don't want windmills for electricity and people don't want solar farms ruining their neighborhood. Um, now they don't want We've got to have something. >> Well, these these battery backup uh locations from what you describe,
>> uh they're not for um >> not gener it's there's no direct benefit >> uh to anybody in town. It will benefit uh who's ever running an AI facility that needs that power. But that's not
something that's local. >> It's it's it's not exclusively for AI. It's for people who back up their files. It's for it's the cloud. >> Huge super cloud. >> Exactly. It's cloud. Think of it as the cloud where all your data is. Right. Or where it needs to be stored. Right. Well, it's it sounds like something that
needs to be addressed by way of zoning um more than a health board regulation because um it's a it's a zoning issue. >> What areas, if any, in town can be built to utilize these facilities and what
then? What is the sighting requirements? >> And if we just have a regulations can't have it, >> that eliminates all the other questions. Yeah, we probably pretty much can't do a thing you can't have it, right? We can't build it. What you can do is put
parameters around it. >> Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. You would you that's that's where the control is not down at this level >> that once you have a facility then what are the regulations? I'm just going to put this out there that it would be better for this department to be more
proactive and outline what the concerns are rather than wait for the zoning or planning board to decide and then have to argue with them about here is the problems. If you already have the problems lined out and you go to them and say, "Hey, we're concerned about
this. What does this look like as far as planning and zoning goes? Here is our concerns." you're being proactive about it rather than waiting for them to make arbitrary decisions of where it can and can't go and then you have to fight with well this isn't good and here's why. Seems to me it would be better to have a
strategy of looking at what the problems are and avoid them to begin with when they start the process of zoning and planning. >> If I could if I could suggest that we might want to do is have uh a meeting with either the town planner or the
planning board. those are where those kinds of regulations come out of and address our concerns and see where we could develop a strategy to be proactive. If there's more than one agency in government being proactive,
that doesn't mean we're proactive. The other side is no no >> that that's a whole other battle. So I think um doing some preliminary uh discussions and kind of getting a sense what what is the lay of the land is
there any opposition is there any enthusiasm for you know what is it even on anybody else's radar >> right >> it probably isn't >> right so that's I appreciate you're bringing up the fact that it's not just the board of health it also would involve other departments including the
fire departments I know when brain 31 was proposed the fire department came and said, "We can't get our equipment in here if there was a fire because there was no access. There wasn't access." So, that put the kibos on it. So, it certainly does involve other departments, but I think a place to start would be here.
>> Um, and we can borrow on lots of experience. I'll I'll send out the information. We went over a couple different towns. Um, and if you want more information afterwards, I can sort of dive into it there, you know. Um, but anyways, it was Yeah, it was it was a really interesting presentation. So, you
know, I move that we put that on um you know, an agenda in the near future within the next few months depending on what other issues are before us and at least start looking >> um at the process. That make sense? >> Is that something our health agent can do? Do
>> not discussion. >> Yeah. No, no, I'm just I'm just trying to get a lay of the land here. >> What is a good logical next move, >> right? She's on that motion. >> Great. That's what she
>> You know what? We can um we can we can ask somebody from this group here to come and present which they've done to other boards. >> Okay. >> So, we could do that. Yeah. I'll look at you know I can look into that. >> That sounds really good. We get some education. >> Sure. Sure.
>> Right. Collaborate with other towns. >> I was Pemroke must be addressing this in some way and I know Dbury already has been considering it. >> Yeah. So we might involve the fire department and when we have these three people come to speak because you know they might be >> right.
>> Right. Wanting of the same information. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. >> So I mean at this point it's not an immediate concern but just with the next few months anyways >> right depending on you know what else is happening we we look at that and address
it. So yeah. So um so that was one really interesting thing. Um >> when you had a motion >> Yeah. Well, I just moved out of this. So the motion would be to um Yeah. So the motion would be to address this issue of
citing um or Yeah. of citing B bees facility in the town. >> Okay. At a later meeting. >> Correct. At a later meeting. Yet to be determined. But >> you really don't need a motion for that. Lara, you can put that on the future agenda. Is that okay? You'll be all
right with that. All right. >> Thanks. >> And the other >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I mean the So the other thing that I picked out which I thought was really kind of interesting, you know, there wasn't so much a review of the last time um was um some new
final social consumption can um cannabis establishments. So apparently that's like um a real evolving thing now that there's um the local towns have the authority to allow consumption on site of cannabis products at the cannabis
establishments >> on site. So basically think of it like a bar to go instead of doing smoking pot at your house. You go have a drink and smoke pot. >> Right. Like a hook bar and then get your car and drive always any product or eat
the chocolate or eat the brownies. Right. >> Right. >> Do it at home. You're not going to kill somebody. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Um so that so that is a thing. Um they told some interesting story about a few towns who um had done it. um and then sort of wind
up reooking at at the whole thing. Um there are a lot of slides on it. It's a really complex um operation to look at, but it may be something that we are, you know, asked to weigh in on with one of the establishments. So >> definitely something to throw in into
the >> right proactive than wait till we get faced with by the city of >> Right. Right. Because we do have a limit on how long we can hold somebody's permit. >> Right. Right. Right. Yeah. >> Permit to do what?
>> To site consumption. Consumption >> on site consumption of >> Right. >> Right. Right. Yeah. >> Just think of it like a >> somebody that wants to own a business card and you can sit and eat.
>> No, people get all excited. People have been doing on right >> no people have been doing on-site consumption for >> many years >> hundreds of years >> of alcohol right >> of alcohol and >> oh I listen this is my wife okay
>> okay no it's anytime you consume anything that alters your perception or your ability to function pop away from home and requires driving from that location to another location is inherently dangerous
>> correct Yeah, >> the difference is there's a way to test for being intoxicated. There isn't a a foolproof legal test to show that somebody's driving high. >> Too much THC.
>> So, opens up a huge can of legal issues. >> Moving on. >> Well, the other the other thing that that they spent some time talking about was um vaping >> um and the increasing use in teens. >> So scary. Yeah. And the legislation there. Yes. So, there's a lot of
information there as well. And again, something that, you know, we might want to consider um putting some stronger regulations or getting more teaching. Maybe it's more a matter of getting some education out into the community. Um kids apparently can vape with products
that you don't even really realize they're using them. You know, >> they are so nondescript, right, and look like common everyday items, >> lipsticks, mascaras, depends. Not that I've seen those, but I've heard right, you know, the parents
can't really see teachers can't really tell. And they're harmful. Yeah. And they're harmful to the kids. You know, >> they are. Yeah. >> It's definitely This goes back to enforcing the tobacco regulations we already have in town.
>> Right. >> Right. Yeah. >> We don't need more. We just have to enforce the ones we have >> to enforce them and maybe get more education out there about the different ways, you know, it's not just figure out there. >> Carol Beck has some great information if you that she distributes. So,
>> okay, great. >> You might want to hook up with her if you're interested in the >> All right. Yeah, thanks >> instead of recreating the wheel. >> Well, you don't need to do that. >> We don't need to do that, >> right? >> What else you got?
>> I got nothing. How about next meeting? Before we do that, you have anything else to ask Rosemary? >> Yeah, I um and you know, I talked with you. Yeah. Yeah. Again, move move to have a permanent spot on the agenda that says old business so we don't lose track
of things. >> Um and so the things that kind of showed up in this these minutes um that are now sort of old business but not quite, you know, tied up um were the three let's see. Um so we did talk about um
um yeah the local initiative um and um last last meeting I asked about the septic system failure that was on Elm Street. They're looking into it. >> Yeah, we're working. We've already sent the letter out. So now it's a waiting game to see if they respond. >> So it's still an outstanding item.
>> Well, you guys aren't doing anything about it. That was really for just for your information. It's on me to follow like we sent the letter now we have to start the process and see if they respond. We sent a certified letter. You have the I need the receipt back before I take any other further action.
>> That's you know it's either old business or pending. In other words, it's it's an item that's ongoing. >> I I think ongoing is perhaps the best. It doesn't require action at every single meeting, but it doesn't require to be resolved at some point.
>> But just some old business can just be acknowledged. Yeah. Well, that's still there. It's still pending. But then that way it doesn't fall off the radar. Um the other thing that we had talked about but we haven't taken any action on. >> Yes. >> Okay. Because right now we're actually
dealing with old business but we're operating off the minutes from the previous meeting with me. >> Yeah. Well, you have the meeting the minutes from the previous meeting, but the agenda does bring up like readressing things. >> It does. what's on the agenda for today,
which could be old business, >> but I think what you're looking for >> is an ongoing section >> is like No, you could use it as old business, but some form of a listing of those items that are still lingering.
>> Oh, same thing. Right. >> And do you find that to be problematic in any way when you're generating the agenda? Now I just have to make sure I know what the else are. >> So you if you're not comfortable with it
>> to put a lot of pressure on you to make sure. >> No, because if going forward I can just say, "All right, we haven't finished this. We'll put it on." >> All we do is put it under old business subjects. >> Right. Right. Right. Okay. All right. Great. >> All right. >> You're looking at me like >> me. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, no. You do you. I get enough skin in this fight. Like whatever you put where you want you >> spin in the game, >> but okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Laura, you okay with that? >> Yeah. We'll see how good >> with that. >> Okay. >> If it becomes problematic, you let us
>> Yes. >> No. Hopefully, this will motivate the board to move forward on things and get it on. >> Yes. >> Take them off the list. >> Right. Yeah. And just not leave them hanging. So the other item there was that we had talked about um inviting epidemiologists to meet with the board
at some time and but we didn't we didn't specify like when that was going to be or who would do the inviting. Correct. Right. >> Okay. As a board member, if you'd like, you could schedule a meeting with the epidemiologist if they're so inclined
committee. I'm not just >> I'm looking at you so that if you don't want me to go in that direction, >> but at any rate, >> I think you got to be honest. I'm not sure >> that a meeting will be fruitful or useful to this woman.
>> I know you expressm. Just the fact of the matter, there's not been much done on this town. >> Yes, I in the information within the report and there is not a lot of consequence. >> But it's obvious to me that a member would like to have such a meeting.
>> And all I'm saying to Rosemary is as a member of the board, she can contact the epidemiologist and if you'd like to set something up, >> okay? >> And just let me know if it's going to be more than three. I don't know who among you might want to attend that or be part
of >> separate meeting from the board. Yes. Like Rosemary can go with the other. Okay. That was what I had. >> Yeah. That's I heard bring her to Right. Right. Bring her here. >> But there was resistance to that. >> Right. Right.
>> You want I mean we had the report. We we we've had the report. We've seen what that epidemiologist has to offer. I have nothing more I need to ask of that epidemiologist. >> So then um so I don't think it would be the best time to attend.
>> I exactly >> so we figure out like so I don't need to attend. >> I don't know if there are other people that want to attend. But if you are less than three then you can just have a meeting with the people who want to be there. If it's less than three it doesn't even have to be a board meeting. It can just be a meeting.
>> Okay. So, are there other members of the board who would be interested in hearing the epidemiologist, you know, advice on health issues that relate to the town of Kingston? >> I think I am good because what I read, there's not a whole lot of information on our town. No.
>> Was there anything missing that you would have liked to have seen there >> like as far as as like what's important for the town to what's important for the board of health to address moving forward? >> I would have to reread it. My suggestion would be this. >> Yeah, I'll reread it. And I don't think
there was anything in there that I said, "Oh, I need to know more information on that." No, that is >> you have the book. You have >> true right. Why don't you make contact, see about availability, and then once you get that, see who
might be interested in participating, and if in fact it's more than three, >> let me know and I'll make sure it gets posted for >> it's three or more, right? Okay. >> Well, I suppose like I suppose like so I understand right now Heidi and I would
be interested. >> I mean, I don't I don't want to extend an invitation, right? Yeah, just >> what would you what more do you want to like what more so >> do you want to deepen it? >> So do you remember the three things that that that was were recommended as
important areas for us to focus on it with me. Let's see if I can pull it up here. Does anyone remember what I do not? Okay. >> I'm going to guess one of them is child and maternal health. >> No, it wasn't >> really because that that's the big catch thing right now. They're all being pushed along. Sorry that I didn't see
that identified anybody in that entire report. >> No, no, one word about it. That's why I told you I was so surprised that that was the focus. Yeah. All right. So, Kingston um the three areas um of
recommended concern and I think one of them we certainly are aware of which is enhanced preparation for co cold and flu season. you know, we're a population of mostly of a lot of elderly people are at high risk >> and I think we do definitely address that. >> Um the second um thing that was
important to attend to as a water health was improvements in student attendance. >> What correct mean to the to the school? >> Correct. Correct. I don't understand. I don't >> I'm going to tell you right now all of the stuff in there has to do with the
talking points that are coming down from EP as part of the grant. Mhm. Mhm. >> That is my resistance to having to deal with it at this board meeting. >> So with future epidemiology reports, I think I think just to have an understanding of what the process is and
to say next time this is what I I just don't understand this and we paid for this. This came out of our grant money. Okay, we paid for this. Um improvements in student attendance. know um as she as she you know demonstrates
it certainly was an issue. The level of truency or just you know absenteeism was alarmingly high >> from our account. >> Exactly. Yes. >> During what period of time? Um let's see if she writes the years you know the because I'm going to get a long
>> when we had all of the um people in the show >> right you know um let's see >> so that is by nature a very >> absolutely >> inongruent >> right right >> picture of what the reality of everyday life is >> so she writes chronic absenteeism rose
sharply during the co9 pandemic and still has not returned to preandemic levels >> as of when >> that's she doesn't give that reports from for 2025. >> No, she's not telling you what the data is from. She's telling you COVID period.
She's not saying it's from 2019 to 2021 or 2024. >> She does in the larger report. I think the data goes all the way up through past 24 because this is all this is all new. It came out it came out in June of 2025. So, it's it's up to that point of
June 2025, right? So, it's current. Mhm. Um and then the third one for the Kingston Board of Health was considering homeowner and renter support. >> And so there there is documentation in
here that um Kingston is um very um highly impacted by costburdened households. And in other words, another way to say that it is like more than 30% of the income of a particular home goes to just
paying their basic mortgage um with and it doesn't really leave that much left over their basic living expenses which will put people at risk for you know skipping you know cutting back on medications not getting the right food. >> So it is a quality of life issue. I'm
not sure how the board of health would be able to offer I I don't know. Um do we have a money tree I'm not aware of because I'd like so >> that is a state of Massachusetts. >> So yeah, you know but compared so
Kingston was the most um at risk out of all six towns. I find that incredibly hard to believe driving through Clinton and >> Cavo right >> but that's what >> that's not part of our six times >> the report the report was quite extensive with lots and lots of data so
you can look at the data itself and say that's really interesting >> I think there's a there's a danger I'm I'm not trust me I'm not opposed to innovating >> u but there is a significant danger in um they used to call the military
mission creep where you start out with one thing and you end up just you know where basically you're never going to be satisfied. You're never going to be you're never going to have enough of whatever it is you want, >> right? >> And uh
>> you start losing attention to the basic services that uh that we provide like we just did this more >> right >> uh this afternoon evening. Uh and so it's there's not an Aladdin's lamp where you can just make wishes.
>> U uh I would say the if the need is compelling and doable. That's, you know, there are a lot of compelling things that are beyond our authority. >> And Dennis, I I agree with you on that and I think this is beyond our scope or
out of our scope. And at the same token, I do believe that very important for us to identify what are our priorities, right? What is what are the important things that we can do with the resources that we have? I don't see how this >> what would fit into it like what what really would fit into this? What one
thing I think that is worth um looking at and addressing >> is uh um elder services as they relate to health issues and also um any prenatal care or you know any anything
like that that we can provide as a you know um a resource because the the bigger thing is education that That's that's the most we can do. We we cannot provide enough resources to meet every
possible need, but we can provide education to be the most critical. >> Yeah. But we also do policy and regulations and that sort of thing that help shape >> policy policies that you're enacting is going to solve housing issues or people's
inability to control their budget. >> That is not the health department. >> Yeah. No, I agree. >> Health department. It's a lead, but it's not. >> They have no perview over it. >> I know. I'm agreeing with you. >> And the other thing that I think it's really important to understand is that's
just statistics. And anybody who's taken a statistics class is very well aware that I can make statistics say anything I want to. Plain and simple. So, I don't put much credence in that
report. is the is this public health excellent grant thing then going to fund another epidemiologist reporter next project that works for she works for the grant right she's going to run a full-time position
>> right and so they just give her work to do that was her she came up with I'm going to do a report on and she just picked a trolley which she she didn't ask any of us what we wanted to be focused on it was just given to us she just took it upon herself So look,
I've been here now almost three years. I'm very clear on how the grant works. There is an agenda >> and we stick to the agenda and so there is no deviating from that. So what the grant does is what is coming down from DPH. So my attitude with approaching the
grant is we take what we can that is useful and helpful to our town >> and I just don't worry about the stuff that I know >> you can't change. can't change it. I can't fix it. And I sure as hell don't have the money when the grant runs out to keep doing it. So, I'm focusing on
the things that matter right now, services that I can get that are going to be useful to the town when the grants's gone away, like getting trained for CPR, getting able to provide classes to our town residents, >> right? >> Getting a resource list together, getting connect. Those are the things that are going to be important when when
we have no more money from this grant, which is coming down the pipe, right? an epidemiologist that will be long gone working at DPH in Boston. >> You know, pretty sure what the plan. >> Yeah, that is just a shame that that didn't do more for public health
programs in the local area. >> They're doing the best they can. We have >> Well, parameters and restrictions are what we are allowed to do. We come up with things, they get shot down >> and they, believe me, they're not like silly things that are wasteful. It's
reasonable things, but the powers that be in the state are saying, "Oh, no, you can't do that. Oh, no, you can't do that." So, then what are you giving us the money for? Yeah. You're giving money in tight hands. >> So, at this point, look, if we get another year out of this grant, we'll be lucky, >> right?
>> And so, let's just I'm just getting what I can get. It's going to be service to the town. I mean I mean supposedly the whole goal of that safe program was to give more control to the local boards of health below me. >> Well that's what it is in writing.
That's what it is in writing. >> Okay. I'm going to tell they're asking these questions. I just had to fill out a survey that took me and Lori can confirm three hours to fill out. Three hours. >> Yeah. So and so what it is is they're trying to centralize services so that
all of our little boards of health go away. That is the underlying mission of this whole grant thing. We have subject experts. We have this person and they're not providing dillies. At the time you were on the meeting, they didn't show up. >> Well, that's Yeah, that's what kind of
got me going on this. But >> pick your battles because right now just take the money we can get and and be as useful as we can get. >> So, I tell you what, I am going to reach out to um the epidemiologist. I'm going to say I'm reaching out on behalf of the board of health. That's where I'm coming
from. On behalf of the board for more information >> for more information. Um, and if anybody wants to join me, I will put the invitation out there and we'll see what happens. >> Okay. Good luck. >> So, so does nothing. Did everyone else get that survey from um the state
program? >> No, it would be I have to fill it out. I had to fill it out. >> No, I got it as a member of the board of health. >> There's two things. One's a survey, one's the performance review. I had to do both the performance reviews the thing that takes. >> So the survey is supposed to be done by
all but by the members of the board help >> right. So did you all get one? >> Has every has emailed? >> Have you all done it? >> So about did you get the survey? >> Guys, the ship is sealed. It's already
over. You can't turn it in anyways. >> It's until April 10th. The deadline is April 10th. >> Oh, I thought it was earlier than that. >> No, cuz I just printed it off. I thought I brought it with me. It's the April pen and I wasn't sure how to fill it to answer some of the questions. So, I guess I'll just >> That's exactly what they're hoping for.
>> So, nobody here has done it. >> No. >> No, I didn't realize it was something we have to do. >> I know. And and they mentioned it a lot at this meeting. They kept saying you're going to be getting a survey. Oh, I didn't put draft. So,
>> I did not get a survey. That's what >> I think it came the date on on the original one I got was February. >> All your members. It's not It goes out to the state >> or perhaps you want to forward it to everybody if you still have it. >> Yeah, I'll forward it. Okay.
>> Yeah, >> because from February maybe you got missed, right? But it did say specifically like in bold letters health. There's lots of things to check out if you're a member for Gord Health. Sounds like something wrong to everybody. Dennis, you didn't see that? >> No.
>> No. >> I'll keep Okay. Anything else? >> If there is nothing else to pres uh do, I next meeting May 4th.
>> I offer a um a motion to adjourn. Second that. All >> in favor? I I