--------- okay the time being 6:07 p.m. on the 12th of March 2025 I call this meeting of the capital planning committee to order let's begin with a roll call vote eberg I Wayne bully I B Fuller I Chris prman I all right announcements this
meeting is being recorded anyone intending to make an audio or video recording of this meeting should notify the here at this time this committee still has a vacancy for a Kingston resident if you or anyone else that you know may be interested please reach out to Kingston's finance
committee you can reach them by email at fincom Kingston ma.gov that's fi ncom Kingston ma.gov does anyone else have any announcements hearing none I'm going to take some things out of order here um
Chief do you want to go first do minut first all right we'll do our minutes first then everyone get a chance to look over the minutes Chris if you had a chance yes sir okay I have uh already made an edit to the last set that I worked on uh just changing a spelling of a
title on the list of people who attended um I don't know if any of you saw anything um let's start with the minutes for January 15th does anyone have any questions or concerns negative not I okay if I could get a
motion to accept with edits to be made after the meeting that' be great I'll make I thought you were GNA make it I don't have the date motion to accept the meeting minutes for January 15 2025
friendly Amendment with edits second second seconded all right all those in favor Heath I Wayne I Dave I Chris I on to the next
one9 all right you make the motion this time Wayne anybody have any concerns about the minutes for 129 I move that we approve the minutes of January 29th without edits there's an edit on the page
already to install oh okay yeah on that one how are you Chris you need any more time or would you like to second the motion I'll second the motion with the with the edit you just mentioned okay all right all those in favor Heath ey I
I Chris I all right ask [Music] unanimously going to be a paper heavy meeting okay um ke Douglas cardiac
monitors now this is a late request but it's not our funds any does anybody have a concern your pursuing the opioid funds yeah and other I'll explain that okay so did everybody get a chance to read what
I sent to the S do you have it okay so in 2013 we bought three of the five cardiac monitors with um afg Grant funds um they're I pushed them a little further out probably than I should have honestly on the C plan but that's fine we have um contracts every year they
come in and repair them as necessary a couple of them have been acting up they've been um repaired a little more than I'd like to see them repaired but again we have the three others we can rotate them around what would like to do is two things one use opioid funds if
the select would approve it to order to purchase one or two of these and then I'm going to try to pursue some other avenues including grants uh for two more I'm not 100% convinced that we need the five that's kind of an internal discussion that we
have going on right now um um three of them again were bought with that Grant one of them was uh donated shortly there after a year or so after that uh by a Mrs B whose husband passed away and left some money for that purpose and another
one was bought with Co um excuse me kak money so that one's the one that's the newer of them uh so anyways that's where we are on those there is some money available in the opioid um funds uh and again that will be the responsibility select them
to approve or not approve and uh we'll have a discussion on one or two or none or whatever the case may be but given the cost and the fact that it is a capital it needs your approval yeah so I guess what we're doing here is they're ultimately approving this doesn't go to
town meeting or anything correct um we're just looking at this from a capital advisory U perspective um and you said the funds um can you just repeat what was we had talked about the the op if you what the fund was
called it's the we call it the opioid funds um I can give you the whole title I think I just wondering if I think we need to make a motion that says opid settlement funds not it's not a capital expense I think if something happened and you
needed to come back we'd have to request we're going to do that and then what we'd have to do is go through this like I said 0 one two pull something out whether whether I get two from this one from this two from somewhere else that that's kind of what we need to leave on
the table but the funding will not be um raise an appropriate General Revenue funding right does anybody have any questions about the cardiac monitors okay then I'll make a motion that we
um this one EXA I guess it's move favorable action or on other funding sources that sound right for the carc monitors to the fire department second go ahead
ke the oh yeah yeah card so from the opioid it would be 130 154 130 15 right and if I can get others from other sources they will be 65 roughly plusus
65,000 a piece how we want to change the motion now just read it clean okay so then um move favorable action for two cardiac monitors for $130,100 from the opioid s
and if I can get two others and if get two others from other sources you want to put that in the motion you want other sources not being um free cash because other sources won't be Town funds yeah okay they won be town all right I think we have the motion in there okay do we have a second
second all those in favor e why I Dave I Chris I thank you very much good luck getting your card mon okay uh before we start going through our list
of of the article projects if you have any capital or financial updates I think the only a couple of things I guess I could okay um thank you couple of things just to make Capital plan aware of um in I Know
Chief homes had come in and presented to the Capitol planning committee in the recent past uh requesting an additional s vehicle uh I don't I don't believe and I was I don't think I was at that meeting I'm not positive I apologize but uh I don't believe the the capital
planning committee ever voted whether or not to support that fourth vehicle we voted no we voted took a vote to consider it as a late request okay because our bylaw says everything has to be here after the first if it's not we have to vote
to accept it and anything that was a capital appropriation we either not allowed them to present or uh I think it was just one time we didn't even allow the schools to present we've changed things are already requested the years and then we've taken up the advisory votes as they came sure
so we didn't vote so um what we didn't vote we didn't vote on whether or not to fund the request we voted to leave it up for consideration so I think one of the reasons um Chief Holmes is here tonight is to answer any questions for the fire department Capital request also asked
the board to consider consider funding that fourth vehicle but he'll I'm sure he can are you saying you're asking us to consider or he's here asking I don't I'm making you I I'm making aware of a couple of issues one that Chief Holmes is here to ask for that fourth vehicle to be funded uh second thing that I
wanted to just make sure that the capital Transat is aware of is as we sit here today with the recommended funding request that have you you have in front of you that that was distributed by the chairman we have a a free cash balance after everything that's coming out of
free cash for town meeting right now $677,000 which is a little bit lower than we usually have couple of things I just want to make I want to make uh remind the the capital planning committee of one
um in this in these funding requests are um matching Grant amount matching grant funding uh or the town's share of of grant funding for a number of uh
planning projects for Gro Street uh bicycle and pedestrial improvment $160,000 uh Green Street uh crosswalk re line $151,000 those um Main Street pedestrian traffic
49550 so those items uh although although they're proposed to um to be funded um it's going to be completely contingent upon uh our applications being awarded for State funds so there is you know
300 $360,000 that if we don't spend if we don't get those grants Awards we won't be spending that 3 $360,000 this we were going to learn about in March I I don't have an exact date for
you I was gonna say if we say okay let's just say the planer M Mard said that Main Street was a priority pemro was a top five priority uh Green Street I think was like I don't know where that ranks in priority from my memory
remember being prioritized but po saying is if we wanted to let's just say that we thought that because the Main Street this little a lot of interest in making Improvement there if we uh allocated that approximately 50,000 there and then we
learned that grant that we allocated the seed money and Engineering towards is not going to happen right if in order to make that fit we had to we had to select one or two of these projects and not do them like let's just say we didn't do the wall panels at COA but now we have
the 50 Grand available would we come back and then potentially I'm only using those as hypothetical examples I guess my suggestion and what I'm suggesting that the the capital planic committee consider is is going forward with the plan is presented and if
the uh if one or more of these Grant funds uh are not received by the town that if there's time you could you could amend the warrant article Before Time meeting if not you could amend the time the warant at Tom meeting to eliminate one or more of those projects to because
they didn't get the matching funds from the state the other thing I just want to it ties into this to some degree I've had a couple of conversations not specifically on this topic but just in preash um in general
with the finance committee chairman um on an annual basis uh the town of Kingston has for several years I anyways transferred $100,000 into into the stabilization account not Capital stabilization but stabilization itself
to to yeah two separ bump that up which would now a well over $2 million we also um have been funding on a on an annual basis uh for a number of years $100,000 to go into the post-employment op
liability post post employment uh Health Insurance liability fund um and one of the things that that Mr Pike had mentioned for for just financial reasons those types of things are not required but more uh proactively
trying to fund some of these things we could defer that for a year if we had to do that if we did that um we'd have a better idea before town meeting about some of these Grant funds than you're looking at you know not reducing free cash by
$200,000 now I haven't had a conversation with the board of selecting yet about this nor the finance committee those types of things are policy decisions they'll have to make I just wanted to make sure that this group was aware that although the 677 is certainly
$300,000 three to $400,000 lower than we'd like to be I think we've got some flexibility knowing that we probably aren't going to get all three of those planning grants for uh Road improvements and we also have the ability to not fund
at least of fiscal 26 $200,000 with the transfers uh into into stabilization funds so there is some flexibility like is all I'm trying to suggest to the committee so when I walked in here I was
under the impression we had about 800,000 free cash to spend we had you know the just over just over $1,000 in expenses or expenditures um to
consider you're saying that if we if we if we moved all this at town meeting your free cash actually be just over 600,000 so 6 77,000 if everything if everything and that again that's taken $370,000 out of free cash for some of
the capital items that were funded fall time last fall so that would leave us $677,000 that's what I was concerned about that we were font loting a lot of capital then we had to consider that to make this part harder MH yeah I I mean this idea that weent I
don't know because we haven't run the numbers um we looked at those grants you know if if we wanted to fund one of them and or or see if you know see if they all get funded and look
at which one gets funded and then maybe you know amend the others but I don't I don't know if this is going to wind up being like a two meeting process Spen Avid I mean again I I think there's the my two cents would be there's an
opportunity um when you present to the board of Selectmen if we have an if we have answers on the grants by then you could ask the board to um you could meet as a committee right before that meeting make make some adjustments to the capital plan based on the grants that we
haven't received and then present your final recommendations to to the board of slman at that meeting um with the with the supporting and warn article um or you could you know move forward
with the understanding there going to be some just moving parts and you go to town meeting and you could make an adjust you could make a motion there which is an ideal certainly um I don't like the um I like to go in as cleanly as possible because I don't like the idea you're going to create a disruption
and you never know what the dynamic is like and then 20 people go to the microphone and you walk away with something you didn't want at all no I understand and I I just wanted to you know those are options you have available to you or you could have another meeting uh I just as I sit here tonight I can't say with any
specificity um when um when the the grant Awards will be made well I'll throw this out there if I'm understanding all this correctly so in my mind we don't have enough free
cash as it is 600's not enough no I mean last year last year when we moved the trucks Finance committe want a 1.5 he said he could do was I think was 1.1 1.2 so to me all this is move so if we find money from those grants just going to go
back and bring free cash back up and it's still probably going to be under what I'd like it to be sure maybe I didn't explain myself just make make sure make sure that that I'm clear the three grand the three funding requests for free cash for for those
projects this is the town share of the cost of those so if we get those grants we're spending this money if we don't get those grants that money um doesn't get spent and and how much is that again plus 151 and 160 so that's 311,000 plus
51 was $362,000 which get you call it 350 yeah so that Cas a million dollars brings our free cash to a million which is more acceptable to me I just we don't get it
and it just goes to free cash and we're out of milk 600 not enough the other thing you can do is just we can either vote them down or take no action on them at all and then if we get the last minute because I don't to to think about the way you're thinking we're really concerned about
the cash if we were lucky enough to be rewarded to Grants I would like to figure out how we can find the seed money for yeah if we're Lu enough to be award the Grands then I'll I'll take I'll Take the Money and Run and I'll be okay being at 600 if we're not award the
Grands then it just comes back and we're at a million but I'm not looking to spend it that's what I'm saying that's how I see it yeah I mean um my opinion I developed about capital of time is that anything
you kick down the road is harder to do later when depending on grants it's a whole other but if you kick talk to me about the million and what I'm kicking down the road maybe you're talking a fourth
Cruiser what else are you talking about anything out this list yeah I mean some of it's some of it's getting to be kind of routine yeah and you know it's like the 50,000 and the two police cars and the U you know we did the the town
phone system last year now it's going to be service for a years yeah we have to replace them in a staggered sort of you know annual fashion two per year or something like that what I think the presentation was and then you know we've got the seawing drain lines for school
that they don't actually have I don't think they had a quote for yet what if it's a $25,000 job and we're allocating 50,000 to it it goes back to free cash and then we can't do anything with it until next year or STM at the earliest which I don't want to come in
to do a $25,000 project MH my concern about that project is that it's going to be more expensive than the 50 Grand you're going to cut through the floor jack hammer up where the pipes are right you don't know what you're going
to find yeah so I guess that's my thought on right my thought on it is I don't think we have enough free cash as it is and it if the projects aren't done and that money comes back I'm happy with it just being back at a million and
leave it alone the troubled waters ahead how many what can you use free cash on besides Capital like what kinds anything anything sure I mean there a community using three Cash to balance their budget I mean what can you do with it without going to town meeting
nothing no you need to appropriate the money I mean like we used it for the schools the end of the year yeah when they were right y if firey has a deficit worst case scenario I wasn't sure if you can use it if you you know if you blew your budget snow removal and you can pay
with free cash or if there were certain incidentals the state allowed a town to use not without town meeting approval yeah we need approval I have a question that who counts that we normally transfer 100,000 what the two accounts that we normally transfer 100,000 to how is the health
account is that is that pretty good I mean because insurance you have no idea what premum is going to be for one year to the next sure so the health account is is there to um ideally at some point offset some of the costs associated with
retirees health insurance right that liability is millions and millions of dollars and very candidly will never be fully home um I don't think any communities will be that number is
just significant um there the talk has been going on now for a number of years years in Kingston was where the town of Kingston along with many others um Plymouth County every Plymouth County Community I guess I'd say is is
paying an excess charge into the Plymouth County Retirement System because the retirement system is not fully funded so a number of years ago the retirement system decided
to you know have the actual actual ever report done and it's been kicked down the road a little bit but they're funding I want to say over a six or eight year period they're they're providing additional funding from each Community to um to
ultimately have the retirement system fully funded in that six to eight years um so the thought was um once we have fully funded our our share of the county retirement system
which is I think three years 20 31 maybe 30 or 31 that extra money if you want to call it that could be transferred into that opep account and um fund that opep account amount in
a Higher by a higher amount every year with no impact of the tax payers the uh stabilization fund is is very healthy you know it's well over $2 million um and that is there is kind of a last case
worst case sort of a situation where if something drastic were to happen um there would be funds there to to utilize other than bonding so I think that's a that's that's that's that's in
pretty healthy shape well I mean my my opinion was is that based on what we went last year we had a mountain free cash we were a little lower than what fre what the finance committee wanted to be at but this is a lot
lower and what we did worked at least up to now but that one concerns me being you know sub one million especially sub 700,000 and I I again I understand and respect that the challenge I guess I have or the concern I have is there's an opportunity
for the town of Kingston to take advantage and leverage in this case $350 $60,000 in free cash money to get um significantly more money to uh through grants to um
address um you know three infrastructure needs no and and next year let's just say you actually got all three GRS then there's three projects that people come up with the following year and three the year after that you kick these down the road before you know it you've got nine of these that you can't get around to
yeah um I'm not opposed to the three projects I'm opposed to if they don't happen taking that money spending it elsewhere yeah so I I guess what I understand appreciate what you're saying what I would tell what I guess what I
would say and you guys can decide how you want to do this but in this in the capital plan in the capital warrant article it says specifically for no no but I'm opposed to a last minute change okay IOD all right right we were talking about a last minute change in under
meeting I'm opposed to that Mike and the last thing I guess I would say if I could when you look at all the other needs that we that are proposed in the capital plan in my mind those aren't want their needs uh you know the folding panels the
COA need to be replaced um or you know it's going to damage the floor because it's already sted to do that it's they're in poor condition they're going to get to a point where it can't be used um we have uh the patrol cars and got the Chiefs here he can explain to
you exactly why there's such a need there we have get in and I've had $139,000 in for tasers for 28 28 tasers I got an email from the chief probably two weeks ago saying that $139,000
a light by 20 grand you or take was7 187 yes the price went up since in the r mon so you know from my point of view that's a safety issue you know how are we gonna how are we going to do what we're trying to
do I I get it right so um I mean the motion has to reflect the cost I understand um so that's what we're coming with with you guys tonight and there's there's some last minute changes the vehicle lift has to be replaced absolutely um you know the the Engineering Services
um you know those are that's that's a an engineering item line item that's used on annual basis for Street streets and parks to assist them with designing um some of the improvements need or the repairs that need be made in town roads I can't speak to the D the drain lines
of the school but I can tell you in my conversations with the facilities director there that you know there are leaks there is water leaking because of these drain line and what they were they were telling us is that they're getting backups because they they have bends
that are not ideal for flow and they need to straighten or put a you know a more conducive elbow into the pipes all right but to put a bow pre- bow on this bad boy so this document if I do everything on here I'm gonna have free cash of
67,000 what these are all needs not wants in your opinion I think that the items I just listed are needs if if you're looking if you aren't comfortable leaving $677,000 in free cash as much as I would hate to take the funding out for the for
the uh the planning grants planning grants aren't in here's a question they are oh they are in there yeah so if can we have a separate motion for the grants and that Way That We the finance committee and the selectman can all vote according to your recommendation and be
very easy to say not making this motion at town meeting yeah what I can do if you'd like me to is is I can take I can take this a warant article right now it's it's it's in basally two sections right the leases are in one and and a free cash C and and I understand that's always been based on the separate
funding sour numbers so I can I can remove I can me I wouldn't do more work then would you ra would you rather say no tonight and come back and say yes if they get word that we we've been awarded these things and we can discuss the ultimate funding for them
see what you're comfortable with at that time I don't mind posting a meeting even a remote on an odd night so we say yes tonight to 151 for for the for the gr y right you get all three you don't need
us you don't get all three you get none of them you don't need us either uh that's right we still have to pay money for the engineering that money won't be spent this money won't be spent if rewarded the grants my understanding no no me
back up that money if we don't get the grants we won't spend this money yeah this money is this money what I understand but but if we're rewarded the grant that get this get so for the Green Street crosswalk we need to find 151,000 because that's the engineer you
need the state's going to pay us for the work and material we need the to provide the engineering they they want to see that we're serious we're putting money up not just chasing money they're handing out right what David is saying I think what he's saying is if we don't get these grants
this if we don't get this $151,000 green speak F your align we don't need the $151,000 yes but if they award it to us understand then we need the money that's why it's here and that's why it's here and I'm okay vote on that and I'm okay to vote on it and that leaves us to 66
67 677 that's what I'm saying if we do say yes to everything on here you're at 660 something except for the taser price is wrong here except for the taser price is wrong they don't get the grants I don't want anything that has to be changed by a motion if we can avoid it no there are
no motions we don't get the grants we don't get any of that 153k just falls back to prepare so and I think I think what if I could what what I think Heath was suggesting is if you pull the three planning grants out and
you make a motion at town meeting for uh the rest of the these projects less the grants uh and it gets approved and then you have a separate motion just for those three grants and they can it can be it can be passed over if we get none
of the grants or a motion can be made for the entire 350 somewhat thousand dollars or or but by then we'll decide if he's able to find money you're comfortable or as a committee we're comfortable with the free cash level I'm just saying I'm
comfortable with the free cash level I'm not happy about it but I'm comfortable at the six something if I get the grants if I don't get the grants I'm even more comfortable because the money's going back and now I got a million that's what
I'm saying and at town meeting floor someone could make a motion if they're really hot to try to vote on these individually and if you don't like the grants then just vote no well it's like I said I think I don't
know what separating them out really does other than do more work just thinking that you know we can have our weight and see attitude and if things change we either move it or we don't move it we've got it right in front of us with our votes selectman the finance committee and if I if I simply don't
move it I don't think anyone else is going to grab their both and go up there and try to move but if we move something that we have to amend on the floor once you begin that process everyone goes up with if they want to they all go up with their little amendments somebody doesn't like this department somebody doesn't like that department someone doesn't like this
cost someone wants justification and something you went from you were going to present something was going to go through unanimously to it's out of our control at that point okay it's not heavy lifts yeah okay I'm in agreement separated
that yeah it's just from having watched how these things go study how people react in the D lik we not going to get off right yeah and we can we can alter the motion for those three but at least we're comfortable with the main set the
main body of it is set in stone yeah okay and if we feel like we've made mistakes or something we just even if we might get the grant we say hey you know what we went too far we have to pull one or two from the the motion tell me
make that motion the way it is okay so back to this the she needs not wants what else do we want to add to this tonight so the only there's two items that that I think the police department would like you to consider
the increase in the cost of the tasers and a fourth vehicle that's it give you more if you want I got more um we also have to do a truck
for water department so let's something about that in both the leases yeah yeah yeah okay cool we're not funding Le were already been approved I mean I don't know that you have to approve we've already we've always voted them want your mother walk to whether you vote or not has to vote
for them right uh sure I mean we can EI either pay them or return the vehicle yeah so's just of course the rep possible we'd like to keep making the payments yeah whatever you guys want to do hiem around to make it like an Easter egg that's
right okay well for the sake of the motion what's the final number on the tasers let's all write that on our paper I'm getting it right now it is one I pumped it up too much it's 167 361 and two
cents we' never done pennies I don't want to do pennies no Round Up to 362 we can put the other 94 cents in free Cas round up 7 okay now a fourth
vehicle um tell me if I'm wrong I took the cost of three divide it by three got what I thought was a cost hold on dou check right
here there's the quot thank you y when time comes I'm going to suggest that we vote these individually again I'm to round this up to the next dollar here no pennies no
dimes yes so for everyone to know that's um 77,6 per vehicle okay so um what do we want to do here what's what's everyone comfortable with Chris you have any
ideas Chris none Wayne that fourth vehicle is that a definite need or is that a want I mean are you g are you going to come back with a comfort dog truck again might in a
motorcycle motorcycle is for this year or next year is that on here no is it on here this this just the cruiser list oh there should be hary davs on there it's just that's not their that's not their want list no no I got
the Old Mist that's the um that's their current inventory that's their Fleet I don't know year plan yet somebody a lieutenant made that one I have a different Fleet schedule but it's old it's like okay so help me
please so what is not on this list that I was previously given vehicles for vehicles for the police department that's the entire police yeah a motorcycle there I don't have aor should be har that's the list they gave us during one of the presentations I don't even
know if I've seen it around time do we use it we use it the motorcycle I see it National Night Out I see it it's so old that you can't keep up with your average control motorcycle if he's doing an event uh and they want a highway so we really don't
use it we do use it for smaller events but he's going on the highway he can't keep up with the Box in okay not for dayto day hour so yes right now the the age and the liability and capability of that motorcycle is not
cannot be used as it would be if we had a newer motorcycle that had the capabilities of a new motorcycle if if that makes sense how many officers in our
force can ride a motorcycle certification both two guys into it could be an interest this in the future but Fleet and they used that motorcycle in of in L of a Pro
Y special events traff enforcement SWAT call yes and maybe it's still the Northeast oh no question it's it's a it's a short season but it you know again I'm not the police D I don't know why I'm even talking but it
provides I don't need one I already have no no not that anyways it's you know it's it's a it's a specialized piece of equipment they can use for you know Patrol traffic safety traffic enforcement you know those types of things yes it's in the Memorial Day
Parade looks fantastic but that's not the main purpose for it that's that's one of them one of the things that can be used for now in a in a shortening list we're getting into fisal 27 but we will have G requests that are needs based this year the four vehicles is a need they're digging out of a hole like
I spoke about few weeks ago when I asked the committee to reconsider this you know this is a similar conversation to one that we having with the members of the board selectman that you know catching up in several areas and this is one ofest in higher exchang you know
four vehicles that are over 100,000 that one that's 100 approaching 190 is is a haard shouldn't be on the road it smells like moth balls got a hole on the floor family of mice that being now we evicted the mice yeah want come
back I got I got you Chief but my retort to that is the taxpayers retired too right I live in a similar situation I get it question for you though and I'm putting you on the spot um and maybe I
should ask this beforehand knowing that it was coming so next year what are you coming forward with for vehicles so we talked about that hypothetically I'm not you might not have been that at the meeting where I approached the issue of the fourth vehicles that if we do four
this year it's very likely that we'll be looking at two next year and then three the following year get get us back on get us back on Pace right so the question is do we do three this year three next year and roll the dice and repair cost
possibly I mean we we could do this year uh I mean you have numbers for a Tahoe but we could do three tahos in pick up truck and put that in a fleet that's something that would be useful for us that'll be a little bit less money but we the St yeah without the
stuff in it it's 505 just the truck but then we need to put lights and put and then we need the exact number plus a concy so if you four to we ended up going with one of those four being pick up truck we could come back
with Amendment or have an amendment meeting for as a reduction in the cost obviously we're not going to go up because I know that Rue is huge concern then put that into man right you have replace four every certain number of years at some point
there's going to be you know it's a bubble year so now you you're going to put yourself in a predicament down the road eight years you're going have a possible four year a year that you do four the toal is got to P in practice for three a year I want to
get back to that you I don't want to I want to over spend I don't want to do what's out of the compet on the elected and appointed officials for four two three that's what I'm hoping to do four catch us up two next year and then we'll back on the
second three so you have two vehicles next to year on a motorcycle well it's a potential yes what my thinking is is that when we had the trucks we had two that were dead one that blew its transmission and another one that was
wasn't going to arrive before it was decommissioned potentially we had the opportunity with the cash Fe it's not the same situation and all those have you know they had a long life with different lives based on usage so you have a one ton they might send that one out every
day you have some 10 wheelers mostly snowstorms or I guess if they have to move a lot of aggregate or something um so they were not going to age out at the same time um if you were in a habit of purchasing four you're going to be in a
cycle where you're potentially going to be purchasing four he's not saying we're going to be in habit that but there's not just these vehicles so it makes me concerned that um with the number of police officers they've had it's worked at two
there will be I think more police officers hired in the future who need patol Vehicles there'll be specialty Vehicles like you know the K9 truck will have to be replaced the motorcycle needs to be replaced I don't know where where that fits us in
the years ahead that R department is different than how the capital's used if we replace three if we replace three now getting back to if you they hire anyone that's 18 to 24 months as he said
in the select te M night to get them on if if that's you know one of the considerations and then there's probably a there a travel time where with whe a a rookie patrolman go out with a senior pman or a sergeant field training field
training 90 days but one of the things I was thinking is that we're nervous about the amount of money being spent you know there's still if there was a special town meeting and the cat came up or something like that and at the same time he found
a way to to bring on on the controlman you know we'd be looking at with a more accurate picture of where we were in terms of free cash and everything else there will be just so you're aware there will be I assume the B town meeting was I had conference call
earlier this week with mass School Building Association about the uh roof projects um and when they get their their scope of work done and it's
it'll be presented to the msba the number will be known in August it'll be presented in October and the town then has I think it's 90 days to um raise the money huh or lose the grant yeah so we'll be
doing a DAT exclusion we'll be doing a fall town meeting and how that's funded right now I could be certainly we replace three then 12 of the 18 vehicles in the
fleet will be five years newer is that the wording they're going to be 2021s to current year mles in our Fleet
12 out of the eight which remains six that will be older than well it's six years old can I also make a comment about the purchase of the vehicles it's not like how you and I go buy vehicle in a
dealership you can't go get one I'm like okay it'll be ready in two weeks so it has to be ordered they're not sitting on the locks right now because it's still trying to catch up with the supply pain issues and now God knows what's going to happen with the steel and everything else but then after the vehicle is built
then it has to wait for the upli and that sometimes it takes almost two years to get a vehicle I just want to think about that how long did it take us to get the anal control that is a different Mana that's a different animal that's a different
animal price product i product but I choke down a glass of nails uh to get the and I poached it I I poached it from another town what what really comes down to and again I'm asking I'm asking you guys to
for I I talked you offline I'm might talk to you offline uh I'm going to bring to you what we need I'm not going to tell you more than we need to inflate things to get it down to where we I'm telling you what we need it comes down to the operational decisions of the police department and need
one but the fourth one is this detective's vehicle that doesn't get heavy use so look at the four to right I know but what you're replacing what you identified to me before the four vehicle
is Cruiser number 972 which is the detective Cruiser it's a 2016 with 110,000 miles on it so he does about 12,000 miles a year that's and I agree it's over 100,000 and it's over 10 years old but
it's also a low mile vehicle for usage wiing your I me we're going to reshuffle the deck we're going to do what's in the the best operational needs of the of the fleet the us be able to provide services right you know I insist I'm insisted on
supervisors having their F set up more appropriate to a command vehicle command style vehicle so that when you have an incident critical incident supervisor is able to basically work off instant command type St is it going to be a reshuffling in
the deck yes so we've added $40,000 to the tasers an individual Tahoe is going to be almost 7 8,000 so then if you're saying okay if you were saying three is probably fine but it was kind of a stretch but it was
fine to get to four you're going to have to pick probably two of the Lesser Pro lesser costing projects or to make that work because it's not about it's not just about the need of the department what are the needs of the town too the
servers well you have multiple issues are yeah do you want to take something else off the table able to put that in or do you just want to spend more money and just add it and anything you take off has the risk of coming back next year at a higher price right not buying the the
the the fourth vehicle comes back at a higher price so it's like it's one of those things you you got to decide what's right now based on the circumstances I'm concerned about kids tripping on this uh the park lot the sidewalks they want to fix it for 50
Grand some kid trip fall knock out all his teeth but if they're short on police vehicles or we don't have tasers that's also another Hazard of health and safety so you we're going to have to if you're for a third or a fourth vehicle and you're not in favor of dropping down
to sub 700,000 free cash some some of these projects are coming off not just the grants probably yeah well I think you know where so I'm not I'm not in favor of spending any more money I don't think I'm in favor of
replacing one of these projects for a fourth Cruiser um I want to roll the dice and maybe I have an increased repair cost on that on that
Cruiser but it's a it's a lower use Cruiser important Cruis yeah I rather do three and three with possible a possible repair bill mean three this year three next then
four and two and would you be open to three and then the motorcycle well going into motorcycle wor about motorcycle um you know like I said this
this special town meeting so if there really was an emergency yeah gr call through special town meeting I think my stance is three and three hosital repair Bill than four and
two don't want to spend more money cash is already too long I mean don't want to replace anything else if we had a mount of free cash i' say better to get it sooner rather than later I have two nephews who are police officers in the state of Rhode Island and I understand how important their
workers but I can't go for Ian they're just I think we owe to the town people I'm sure there's many people in town that are struggling to get by you I mean this not coming out of their taxes though no it's not their money but it's not their direct taxation right and
there was a bump in your taxes this year will be a bump again next year yeah and well then the other question would be does it have to be four tahos another question I know you like the Tahoe as a command vehicle I don't know how you can
run that same operation from if that works out of an F-150 I don't know what extent but it looks like most of prman and Clinton are using the F-150 but I don't know you actually get a lot of savings by converting a few of them to F150s and then you need you know a
separate line here for that yeah but what's the real difference doesn't make up the difference in the cost of the fourth vehicle because if you're talking 55 plus equipment so now you're talking 6065
versus 78 you're not 10 grand not GNA make you you're not doing unless you want to come off unless you want to go Dodge Chief what's a charger
D what about even if it was donated I trade that but if you're saying potentially four in a future year if it's four F150s and they're cheaper than the tahos I'm H I just don't think it it moves the
needle think in my mind all right am I going to not do the tahos am I going to do three for F1 50s does that get me enough money to buy a fourth vehicle for the same amount of money no it doesn't so
forget I look at it okay um well all right what do you guys want to do you want to start going through that list or do you want to get the leases in the water department truck cleared off so that we can we know that that's just foral it's a one ton dump truck it's
cheaper than the ones for the highway I don't know why looking at the price today where's that on here yeah yeah I don't believe it's a plow or sand yeah it's 7,000 like
120 it's not on here hold on it's should be it's it's going to be a separate water because it's a waterart so it's not this is J but the water's the water the water department pains okay it's $70,000 to replace the
2015 it won't be on our articles just in advisory V I got a do she I don't they provide maybe one your book I don't remember by the way any other ideas for
those police vehicles I'm more all yours there's a project detail sheet I can ask for if he's got a a build sheet does but he what's it under Tre water I
got no W's W the back thank you this is a one ton pickup truck they 75 say thought I didn't think they had it the only one says a one ton pickup so maybe maybe it's my mistake I thought it
was a I thought I read it was a d truck pick up truck one time pick up truck I just don't understand what they want from us they just want our blessing the water department yeah and it's always been that way but they didn't
give us any it's their funds what am I blessing what am I advising because if somebody goes through their um warrant article and says why is my water so expensive Chief gave me this I can see that he didn't put like you know the jet propulsion pack on the back of
the thing and so 77 is reasonable right they they gave me nothing they just they just gave me a thing I want to pay 75,000 on a truck so what do you want me to do we probably should you know mentioned that during the meeting when he was here but
um see know what I'm saying am I am I losing my mind if I'm going to advise I'd like to advise but I gotta have something to advise on you know if you I mean it seems reasonable right it seems
reasonable mean they've got them schedule with the price showing [Music] um increases I think he said these are the same as the ones they they always have yeah yeah they space them out based on you know they didn't want to replace them all one year they've got them on a
every threeyear schedule no no here's all I'm saying right here's all I'm saying I don't know if I'm G be in the big bad guy here who sheriff in town all right all I'm saying is if you want me to advise on something I need the facts
Like Chief gave me this sheet here right like it's not a box Checker so what we'll do all right so going forward since this is this is um this has a number of occasions all
right just like the schools exactly and I appreciate that yeah what we probably need to do is to have a meeting where we don't have presentations and we go through the book and then we we come up with all the stuff that we need going forward so when they come in it's all there yeah because when I sit at home
and look through it the stuff I don't pick up on leisurely skimming through it at home then when we're in here where's where's the paper yeah but but you know what I mean I think I've made my point but so when this committee rewrote its
bylaw there was a discussion about eliminating oversight of the the Enterprise funds yeah but they still have customers and it's still government and they want to make sure that the money spending is you know the but but you get you know yeah let me just
further my putting something on there that their Department doesn't even need but right hum me you gave me one t pickup truck as the chief has already told us right dodg no good no good right is he buying a Dodge then maybe I would
say no I don't I don't agree with this I don't want a Dodge I want to for I want to show you it's again I don't want to speak for the superintendent but um you know the the pickup trucks are typically you know State bit is a Ford a
Ford vehicle you know they're panel truck with their Tools in them they basically just buying the same truck in the in the model year and each year they need to replace one I'm happy to I'm happy to get you a when when we looked at the police vehicles two per year and the first time
we went out and looked at you came with us on the second time and we looked at you know the damage and all these kind of things it was the same two vehicles inflate you know adjusted for inflation it wasn't like the highway department where this year they want a 10-wheeler next year they want a one ton dump truck and they want a six wheer and now they
want a trackless machine it's like what is all this stuff and who are you buying it from and why do we have a bunch that are broken down you know oh well the manufactured went out of business and the parks are gone now we need to move to Ford and it's like we had to have those discussions but if they bought the
same one ton dump truck on a routine basis you just want some you know information about it in their case I guess you're you're hitting the running up files and they want to be right so I appreciate that that's
what we're here for is to provide the oversight we should have asked so if you feel strongly about I would say vote against it you don't but we know for next time we want that information m point made M all right then on that
case I'm making a motion to uh move favorable action on the one ton dump truck sorry pickup truck for the water department for uh was hold on let me just double check that cost 75
75,000 I think I had 70 uh 70,000 yeah 7 up to 75 in a couple years for 70,000 I'll second ad Wayne you second all those in favor heathi Wayne I
Chris you there yeah I'm here just having some technical difficulties did you hear us Department Chris I all right very good thank you four Z Z all right I'm going to go through the
leases because that's just that's essentially a formality you okay with that mhm no you want you want to do them in order your circus I'm just one of the clients all right um move favorable action
on or uh $189,950 year lease to remount refurbish inul say two and three just be consistent for the meeting minutes purposes second so you want me to make all the Motions you do all the
seconds okay all those in favor HEI way II Chris I all right project 14 move favorable action for in the amount of
25,9 $10 for the fifth year of a 7year lease on the acquisition of a lad truck second okay all those in favor e i Wayne I say by Chris
hi move favorable action the amount of $155,300 in favor why I E say Chris I all right on 16 move favorable action
in the amount of1 49,679 for the second year of a six-year lease on for the acquisition of a brush second all those in favor HEI I Chris I
move favorable action in the amount of $18,995 for the seventh year of a 7year lease with the acquisition of a back ho We Own It second we own it you want to know save so much money next year why to be
Capital with them all those in favor heigh Chris I that's that's below what we do we can't even accept a project for 19,000 okay move favorable action the
amount of [Music] all right let's see the last one here is Project 19 um move favorable action in the amount of $184,700 oh we move on this is there I meant to ask you may are we expecting anything
from CPC or that security system from recreation no I just want to make sure I answer this correctly there's nothing in there's no security system for the for the recreation CP approved I believe it was four maybe
five projects um some tree work in the couple of uh grants for tree work in the cemetery um it was the Bates Pond Trail I think yep Rec conservation um there was a a
replacement of a temporary roof um for the Antique Boat the town Island there was water one I'm sorry I don't know I don't what that one was all right then
so how do we want to go through this you want to you want to take the easy ones first or you want to take them in order take them in order all right who would like to make a motion for the uh folding wall panels if you're against it you still
make the motion as it would be and the motion just fails does anyone have any issues with anything let's start there if not my only issue is the cost what the amount that we're
moving know we're saying with the grants um no what I'm saying is much like town meeting you don't have any issue with any of this you move them all once move them all I move project one 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 N9 10 11 for a total of let's all right first of all let's take the let's do the grant separately that's be a separate section right and I don't know if we need a separate motion for that we will need a motion for but I don't know what needs to be in the
motion and I think we can discuss that we get to it yeah but if we don't get the uh Grant you don't have move it I know not to move it I'm just saying like if no one has any opposition to any of this we don't have to go one by one no
we we're going to have to make a change because we have the U I mean aside from we have to do the total amount keys if we move them all at once yeah I would suggest you do the total amount and so the question I guess I would have we have to adjust it where are we with the fourth car and the tasers tasers if we
want to adjust for those yeah so no let's just make those the motion separately okay is that way we don't have to do any extra math but the question becomes is there anybody who wants to vote all four police vehicles in a batch or do we have some hesitation and we want to break break them out so
you either get to one two three or four in other words if you're thinking you want to do three you don't want to do four if you're thinking you want to do two you're not going to do three or four personally I'm good with the article as present and it has three vehicles me to as presented so what
you're saying is you don't want the four vehicle so I'm just GNA waigh in I guess for the police department a little bit I understand the vehicle Chief can argue about that I would ask that the capital planning committee seriously consider adding the
additional funding requesting the tasers oh yeah please yes so I just want to make sure you guys can discuss the truck or the vehicle but the tasers I think 100% on% me too
yeah we're just an advisory Bo select and the fin count want that's right no we we form the article um but any they can vote against their advisory their votes are essentially advisory to ours but the ultimate pering Factor town meeting so s
men and finance committee vote against our recommendations that we were in favor of town meeting might say hey why why these other boards say no question this my own moving forward so if you're only going to do three this year we're not going to catch up doing the four that I'm recommending
requesting the need we're on schedule for three per year from here on out I'm not making that Comm it's anal you're meeting I just need to know some guidance about what I should I mean I'm assuming you like being on
community you're G to be here next year yeah yeah like Christmas in March yeah so I just I just need some guance uh what happens when a car dies out and repl my my personal Guidance the way I look at it is three this year three next
year after that I mean we can actually I do want to kind of update our chart our flow chart and then we're also GNA have you know maybe two more officers blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah right but right now the way I see it is three this year three next year and if I'm on the committee I'd canare with that okay and I'm rolling the dice I'm
rolling the dice and we may have higher yeah that's climbing just yeah that just one minut what do you think Chris I'm just going along with everybody else while on this
one so it's not going to move as it is so um but I'd like to say is that I think we should be open to revisiting if we come back in the fall for a special time meeting if there's cash and then if the need has gotten worse or
the chief found a way to bring on more employees um and I'd even say if we were in a situation I don't know how we'd get there but if next year we had abundance of free cash I'd rather I'd rather sort of get caught up when we can so we're not you know doing
three in a year if we don't have to from there on out and then accepting that sometimes there'll be three right now we're at three and three then I think I can live with that but um you know the way these things go we kick everything down the road we just wind up we're going to wind up another
two2 or3 million Capital year what you for a number so I got an increase from a million 4176 to a million 7068 that's what I got a million what 1,700,000
1,070 068 which then brings us to 2, 7,4 $25 that's what I got must be right my no that minus the fourth vehicle just the adjust that's just
adjusting the T thinking Motions like that make it right don't want anyone to say that we didn't then then go one by one you want to be conservative then you go one by one no I'm just thinking the motion can say well we probably can't do it like that
we just what we have to do is you know Keith has to make has to redraft this I think we need to see it what yeah say it's only going to take 10 minutes to move the plan the planning projects
um and that way it's ready for tell me that way but you know you hear anything in the meantime about the grants when would you expect to know by the grants mon I don't know for sure I'm sorry I can I can certainly a hold on but we're taking the the taking the
we're taking the the grants out of here so our numbers aren't right well if if that's what you guys want to do it was talk about doing it breaking it out and doing them separate weren't you going to break out just the grants yeah and those numbers we just read are not they got
$50,000 uh as much as I hate to have another meeting take it out we use that anyways that's not for those projects that's for the other smaller stuff we have to do if you prefer to have me modify so I have so I have three separate motions
one for the whis's one for the capital and one for the grants I'm happy to do that um and and our motion doesn't have to reflect that so the motion if you make tonight you can do two if you want to see a final draft before you make
motions um then we can have a meeting next week and be done or two weeks from now and be done with it it's up to you how the comme members feel about that otherwise we them individually Tiner it on the
fly or just come back clean in two weeks yeah we we have to start presenting this to select thcom too though obviously we come back to finish up our our minutes discuss our byock we want to do that which I was going to get to after we got through this um you can
do a zoom meeting that's what I was thinking about in although I've already booked the room but I can cancel that put on a different night my main concern is how what everyone else is comfortable with I mean you have this great idea let's just do the move them as a bunch but if that
creates some kind complexity and how it's going to be formed we kind of have to go through them one at a time um but if we can resolve that by coming back with the different document well worst case scenario you got to take the crosswalks out of here you could vote on this tonight but then you're gonna have
to come back with the crosswalks because you need the new language on a new article so I think you got to come back no matter what unless you leave this as is if you wanted to e you could do um
we can also just vote and come back for reconsideration if we need to right six1 a half dozen of another I mean it sounds like you guys want a clean article so let me do that um there's you know you can meet next Tuesday if next if next Tuesday was
convenient and Wednesday night's a p comp um and you're really not behind what you can do with a following Wednesday it's up to you hard done yeah I mean it's just a matter of shuffling some around
but that means you have two nights in a row Dave is that a problem with you what you'll have two nights in a row if we do next Tuesday you got Wednesday this one's going to be like a motion maybe a couple sets of minutes yeah I think we're good want to tackle these bylaw issues so we we would want
to get that wrapped up otherwise we're leaving that to the you know the next town meeting every one after that warrant the warrant closes I believe 20 28th that was the 25th can you put a placeholder in if we decide we want to try to do it I already have it all right
you the bylaws for our bylaw if we I will add the bylaws because our time frames and everything we've not been able to stick to them because the way things have changed and we can't meet all the bylaw requirements on our annual report because your office wants one page per committee which I'm happy to do just one page I just want to make sure
that no one can say you guys aren't following the rules never want that all right so should we leave this um leave it where it is so he's got the document can everybody make it on a
Tuesday or not a problem for me on Wednesday I wouldn't say set the date in stone that way you guys if you have to go home and check the calendar or whatever but we can either keep the Wednesday that we already well no we don't have this Wednesday it's finop we would have the Wednesday after so we'd probably pretty
much have to do it Tuesday or by another day just check we meeting so do we have to have the full wording on here because it's like it's not like there's an article number on this thing there's not can we just pull can we just
pull the crosswalk off of here move forward with this and then just make a motion I just do them individually is that you're saying no okay you want the amount hang
on I'm gonna take this article yeah we're gonna have to change the numbers real quick that's what I'm gonna take out I'm gonna take out I'm GNA take out the crosswalks okay and sum them and we'll just make a motion for the for them as we're gonna
sum them and make a motion for these then I don't think we have to wait till next we're just going to move favorable action on the crosswalks on a separate article no motion this article already
has two motions in it you can add a third yes you can that's I said we I'm sorry but I don't know yeah I know we need we had three we move the uh the um Waterfront stuff and they can they can do the legal e in the background
yep if you that i' do that I don't think we need to make it harder no I just my thinking is so now you got to take those numbers and you're backing out 709 so 709 518 is your new is your new capital line you repeat that pleas
709 518 and that's that's projects 1 through 11 without project three four and five excuse me yeah please do
you going say what done I don't interrupt if you're calculating but my sum for the three Grant projects is $360,500 correct all right what you got I got 36,5 Grant three grants y got 709
518 more the capital items the 937 957 is still the de it's still the Le a total of 2, 7,425 one more double check you can make a motion okay so we have the grants at
36550 550 so I move favorable action for three grants uh the street Green Street crosswalk realignment in the amount of 100,000
151,000 the pemboke street at Grove Street bicycle and pedestrian Improvement for 160,000 and the Main Street pedestrian safety and traffic
for $49,500 friendly Amendment to be separated into a separate motion be separated into a separate motion I will second
that with the total being total being is and you have to say is you're making with the total being 360 360,000 360,000 $550 okay second second I I already knew I
guess you have to be now right so okay second all right all those in favor Wayne i e Davi Chris I okay good next one I would say projects and then list
the project numbers and do the total you don't don't read the names yeah projects 1 2 6 7 8 9 10 11 okay do it move favorable actions for projects1
$25,000 2 $ 51,4 6 $50,000 7 $233,500 project 9 82,000
to11 project 10 50,000 and project 11 50,000 for a total of $ 79,513 second all those in favor Heath ey way I
davei Chris I now what I thought you were going to do is list the project numbers and then get the sum toll at the end for the total of those yeah still quicker this way guess that's done
yeah thank you all right so what I'll do if I if I could what I'll do Tom tomorrow is I'll refresh the the warn article get email it I can email it to the chair and you can email it to the rest of rest of the
committee if that's okay yeah okay so remains that there's at least a few things that need to happen here we have the um I it's going to roll into the next few items on the agenda we have uh Capital planning bylaw revision
um the time we spend I don't know want to go through that tonight and I wasn't prepared we still have one set of outstanding minutes we'll have a set of minutes for this meeting I would suggest that um you guys read the bylaw decide there's anything you want to change
we'll have a committee business committee housekeeping meeting for the minutes and then decide if you want to edit the bylaw do you have anything in mind anything on the top of your head for the bylaw yeah that you'd like I want to change to the I the report and the timelines the main the main things
um those are your hot buts it might be something else but I have to figure that out um so that's part of future meetings um we're not going to have to do a zoom so we'll do that on one of the other meetings I the room for probably um
annual tell on the 26 yeah we can leave discuss now so I'll keep the next meeting which I think is on the like I said I think it was um next meeting schedule is March 26 we'll get together and take care of that business um after we look over what
there is uh what Keith provides be time to decide how to present this to selectman and finance committee so I'll be making the presentations um PowerPoint slides I might talk to you about it too because you're own one he does a great job
yeah paper but uh we'll see um all right is there any member comments questions or concerns or am I moving too fast here is there anything that anybody wants in a future meeting any agenda items that we need to
discuss no motion to adjourn at 738 second all right all those in favor Heath I why I say I Chris
I thank you gentlemen good night good night good night not recording thank you thank you Part: 2
Commission on March 12 6:30 and pres M as our president Craig dman chair all right um we will if the group doesn't mind we'll skip
over our first three items we'll come back to themel [Music] here you live around or Bridge Water um so Michael St Jermain is here I know I sent an email about it to you guys um
he's going to relate a little bit of his project to us that he's working on um the baker site I had to look it up today where it was I don't have any information on going too but um that as well as categorizing that
the artifacts from them and project that he has for his class at BSU so this is Michael staine and you met well you heard that and um we have worked with quite a bit
past had great things to say about you guys oh wow we have great things to say about him too he likes to talk a lot talk a lot to blast yes we have to kind of give them time per St but anyways uh floor is yours
Michael uh so I guess I'll start with uh the Capstone project okay um pretty much I have to do a mock mock trial I guess of um don't know the
exact I'm sorry I'm never been here so I'm a little nervous don't worry but pretty much it's like a mock uh whatever you guys need help with it's Mark trial of it pretty much where we go through the the Federal Regulations all
that kind of stuff to make it more like um official the permitting process permitting process go through that and set that up for so if there was like uh something you guys could think of that I could help with on more of mar uh level
um that's pretty much what I that's pretty much what the Capone final project is have you seen Professor zman's preliminary works and some of his reports he's done for us I haven't seen any from here but I know uh last I like a week or two ago
we went to uh the State Historical preservation office um and they pulled out some of his and I saw they were he does a lot of background research now where you was include background research necessary for a project or whatever it is for you come
up with I know he said once there's a location picked he will go to the State Historical preservation office and he'll get all the information like all the stuw that I need to do research from there so I'm assuming if there's stuff here um that would be great obviously so
I can let him know and then he can or either I can come by or he can come by to uh borrow it and then return it one along with it so was again your report will include that right this is part of your campstone project the right right
okay great and and you haven't you haven't identified the project yet that's what we're here for it kind of give some ideas but to give them ideas it doesn't have to be one of these things you may come up with a better one that's why I sent out that email to
you guys to think about possible project cooking I guess or right now yeah well the Spring Street project was put on hold right he didn't continue with that there was a little bit there left to do I believe and there new owners now so they may
be more acceptable if people come back in he's very familiar with that project very Street um and what was the we had was going we had more ground pting R that's what I was going to suggest more searching for
um Graves over in Hidden Graves over in our old Baran I was going to say that's kind of the thing that I still have on my list was just where he found those depressions and we're not sure if they're unlocked Graves so there's some specific things
that's kind of um I wouldn't say inclusive but you know I pointed out anomalies grave site Graves and um when he did that work last year I maybe we want to go back and revisit those get them in some sort of more
definitive State whether it really looks like there Graves over here or search areas that we haven't searched that we blind before and see if something that's one one okay think about it's been worked on here before I was trying to make some headlight that
there's a lot of rules about why you [Music] yeah I know but I mean in terms of like because we had when we had talked about it trying to confirm whether or not they actually are Graves or they're just
depressions or and if they were like where would you go to find it how do you track it down like there's just a lot we do have some this be done before well I don't know when you you anticipate well just a practice thing
yeah it's a it's a practice one um yeah okay so that's because we were I just been doing some tree work with some structur braces out you place to put these braces on but that would be that's that's something be along the
roadways you know kind of plan for that to see what what's there um K well as a practice one Define that a little bit I mean I'm supposed to uh based off what I remember correctly I'm supposed to set
up like um like what what it's pretty much supposed to be as official as possible but not don't actually do exactly okay so like for the the old bearing ground with ground penetrating you're not you're not
physically going out there yeah I think I would be physically doing the actual GPR work right but I would go over the process of how I would go about it okay and what you have to yeah exactly I believe that's how it would
be and I might help goes through that do you have any other ideas no that I mean that's a better I am a Native American and Indigenous studies minor um so honestly if that is an oportun to you
as a child in a way i' be absolutely that does sound interesting as far as what right um well it's supposed to be on marked burials right we don't know whether it's actually we don't know if there are any
barrial yeah but uh I know last semester in my North American archaeologies class I was doing uh about uh my final papers about GPR in Alaska and one of them was unmarked burials in Canada of indigenous
children but um obviously this not the same but what it has to do with GPR and stuff like that I think and then I also my final paper in GIS is about GPR related stuff as well I feel like it' be kind of cool
to see how the process would go about on GPR level sure I just don't know we have any evidence of Americans buried there or why they would be buried there and the old bearing bre yeah there were other areas in town we're thinking about
that Michael one of our members who's not here night Tom vanetti is really kind of the authority if you don't mind us um yeah I don't think that's really come up um with Indian
burials but there were Indian indentured Native Americans likely who were members of the church or who attended the First Parish so it's possible Tom would have a better leading yeah yeah terms probability
um John you got any ideas um no just the if he wants to concentrate on Native American the Spring Street site might be something visit um trying to think of any others
what is on at Spring Street site um they um done some research um presum had P um um I think it was mostly American habitat right it wasn't really any better oh
okay happens sister still own no it's off to a um private conserv conservative Corporation they do classes and stuff like that but we do have C we still going on there's one building left
that the scouts and other groups used and then the rest of it's like and stuff up there and um have we ever done any I don't know of any ocal research what I'm aware of but I know that there those talk about
Native American stuff up in that area you would think so it's no voice voice Camp um it's in town over by m and um might be interested in um doing survey
work around that it's the pond Pond really is it what what's the name on it um is it SM we have two SM SM Pond little SM pond so um around smell Pond and um it
could be an area where there was some native settlements or passing through or something okay um so that's an area that we haven't really looked at and may be work down out there in the future high school they just sold that right a hotel something the sa High
School no still so F nothing yet oh they haven't sold it yet but anyways that that was always an interesting area like being know on the soofer fields and stuff used to just kind of come across Stu so I don't know if if they're not doing anything they've got a whole lot of
land and I know that they did some when they put in the new athletic fields because I was in high school then so that was ages ago but um the area to the woods and the rim and stuff we always had heard was kind of like off limits
like there was fencing and sort of like that's kind of not to be disturbed sort of things but I don't know if anybody's everever studied or yeah I don't either and that was quite a while ago but if they're not going to be expanding or
something I guess we could propos to that's what I mean like if it's just I mean it's empty there's nothing going on there no something will go eventually sure what but the sisters might be open to you know since it's currently empty and
nothing's going on poking around I don't know if it's even worth it there actually poking around yeah you have to go look at the site see but it may actually there may actually be a site there I don't I
that's what I mean is I just know there's stuff around there obviously um and I recall on the back side of the soccer fields that they talked about something I can't remember what
but I project ly do you have any ideas on this for a project possible project no I don't when do you have to have your IDE fin um probably before the end of the
spin breaks about the end of this week um have a location Le settled on so do you have to know that there is a good possibility that there's something there it is just uh a mock trial so at the end of the day
um it doesn't have to be guarantee obviously but as long as there pretty much if someone was to do it normally um is the situation is sorry I'm trying to think of so when when we're done if
we actually wanted to do something we would have all the paperwork to be able to but it's not exactly so basic we're not going that far assumption that there may be something someplace and you would do all the preliminary work yeah with
that preliminary work it sounds like you you go through records and stuff so you might be able to help by identify yeah this is a promising area the research I did suggests it was an area that Native Americans utilized or we would expect to maybe find some
unmarked graves in the S depending your project you might be able to identify that and we could use that to say we should try to follow up on this yeah pretty much pretty much but it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be M American yeah yeah I just be historical
yeah yeah anything really I I I brought Native American thing is for some reason when he was talking about the unmarked burials my mind went to because these are more like Colonials probably yeah okay okay so what about the Plato Turner thing is that that's we would
be that's some of it is in Kingston but kind of do you want like a fresh site or a site that could that has already beenu and studied and stuff with that I think either or would but I can email
professor Zimmerman and as soon as he replies I can relate to you guys which he would prefer but um have they done the Kingston work onland um I don't know exactly where the um archical survey was done I I go check
the plantation they have all the records I don't know how far they went into Kingston or it was all I know where where they have the graves now is just um just a memorial they don't know they were actually buried but I know the foundation was bur in the woods I don't know if they
actually in Kingston or not that must done I was just gonna say I'm almost embarrassed to put this because I'm not remember any of the details but what was the site it was the pond that uh they were going to take down there was a BM around it and they're going to take down
that BM and restore it there's some old foundations around there syia syia Place yeah is there anything those foundations that um you know manmade Dam that U actually I saw the pond
damped up right that the lower one the lower one um but Wildland stress is going to be removing that Dam eventually breaching the dam and there an old fish ladder there okay this is more recent but there's probably older stuff around
too in fact W Zim a bunch of us went around there looking for a site mid site ancient mid site y but this is on the dam side where they're going to take out the dam there's some we think it's WPA fish Lads that were put in there whatever and there may be other
structures around and that's going to be changed they're going to remove all that and put in drain the pond down to a certain level so natural free Flor so fish can come out so that that would be something we'd like to do okay I'm
saying two there's the wars on the River on Jones River on the cluster property the old Wars that were down there there's several of them right on Town property that the land side of it is
possibility I do underwater archaeology because for the docks and stuff but um that's an area that would be available too that you research on I think the camp neon one is something we haven't done on it might be some Native American
stuff up there or um this the Dam bridge okay so do you want us to give you something or you going to talk to p uh I'd prefer uh based off what he said it'd be better if you guys give me based off what your guys needs
are all right so what do I to do just a question the um have you accessed any of the archaeological surveys um there's several comprehensive which we have copies of and that that will help
you document um say around smell P where H neon is what was previously um possibly known um in we have the we did cof surve
that's right yeah yeah overall I'm sure that's he must have a copy of that based that on if he doesn't I can email you let know that abely so or the
um D [Music] site dam site they may get to work on it pretty soon that would be kind of interested to find out the it's more recent history okay and archeological stuff up there but we kind of want to make sure nothing's
disturbed no archeological sites of the St get the history you kind of get the history behind them fish that stand now but and well if if you're focusing there uh Professor zimman led a field
school I'll say three summers ago that2 some two or last year yeah so there and they I mean I'm not um overgeneralizing I think the main result was there was not a lot of prec
contact UM material of of Po but this was nearby yeah yeah it's close but you could reference that you yeah I'm I'm okay honestly both of them sound interesting to me so
so what would you guys like to see which which one I don't think I know enough about either one to be able to [Music] really yeah I would lead towards s p because it seems like there's more
likely some like we have a sense there's something there we know official there and there are a couple of those foundations too thought that they but there may be something yeah yeah I I might go towards that because it seems
like a better chance or something from a project standpoint I think that one's interesting because it's kind of a life real life thing as opposed to we know C neon might have something but we probably would need that would that's
kind of a more amorphous where this is kind of a real life one like they are going to tear it down there are things already F in that so okay that's that'll be it then that's our first choice would the so be
upon and um all right and then can't would be our secondary one after you talk to Professor [Music] so you like talk to us just tell us a little bit about the project with um uh
Kingston Baker yes yeah absolutely so Kingston V site um don't excuse me we're recoring and on TV so you don't give out any real specific oh well it won't really matter but locations basically that's what we
iological General y um it is pretty much a it was in 1971 is when it was originally dug and the artifacts were found a lot of them it's all pre contct stuff a lot of Gart site uh there's like
scrapers uh we found a Spoke shave um there's a not fish fish net we found um what so that's like a weight on a yeah yeah to help the net stay down um it's actually a DEC side it's like this big
but like the The Notches are very um noticeable the um we found multiple different kinds of projectile points squid knet triangle some of those are broken squid knet St we actually have a really good
uh not pre what's the right um very clear um good knet and no real damage to it you can it's very um well preserved well preserved thank you um it's a Well preserved uh
well we have a we have um Lana Point projectile points um waiting River you found a waiting River one that's actually in really really really good condition most of them are like uh flakes utilized flakes stuff
like that but we do have things that really stand they said projectile Point fishnet um weight um it was predominantly uh it was it was scrapers so um couple thumbnail scrapers
couple uh side scrapers couple um end scrapers but the ones that served the most were definitely fishing the smoke shave and to really well
preserve about how many I believe I have about 50 we not done cataloging them all right now I've been doing a lot of like measuring weighing them getting the dimensions and then uploading them all
to my past perfect so and then obviously taking them uh a good picture of it that really shows the dimensions and how you prish to line like that and how where did they get put in after they are in a acidfree
um bag and they get put in a acidfree box right now where they're preserved in in biology lab at the moment um sorry I'm trying to think of non
specific who did the Dig originally um James horon and what are what period are these artifacts from we are cataloging them anywhere between paleo [Music] andate how many
years was that over 2,000 a little over 2000 to shortly after contact shortly before contact okay is the range of paleo Indian to a lot to learn here yeah yeah so when
you say pre contact mean correct before before anybody else got here yes um does this show some summer camps and are there fire pits or M around the and some of the photos that I was given from
uh by Dr Professor z um there was like it seemed like shell mittens in one of the photos we don't have I wasn't at least it's not in artifacts I was given to work with because I don't I haven't seen them yet at least
um there were um there were I believe it were shells in one of the photos you repeat the question I'm sorry oh but evidence of you know the summer camps here Native
American camps on the so that's kind of what this is showing yes there was definitely some form of habitat um some form of occupation for sure so there are more artifacts that
you are not dealing with or um it's not that it's not that I'm it's not that I'm not dealing with them I haven't gotten to but are you supposed to get to him before you graduate I believe so I know guess you may not
graduate okay um any other questions Michel in the project why do they call it the baker site um Baker is the last name of the owner of the prop you you may have answered this already sorry I'm trying to keep notes
here but what happens to the artifacts you know after you catalog them you put it in the B where's the longterm they're being donated to the town of kingon yeah Muse to build a museum well I hope you got
information you need for your project thank you for coming by tonight thank you project back some pictures and stuff you know absolutely come on all right I couldn't have uh been more um not
informed so ready for tonight yeah um I didn't know what to expect honestly this my first time being at a historical commission meeting so I was very uh it's very interesting I enjoyed it it's just I
just didn't know what exactly to expect and so it was a little harder to prepar but next time I'm here I'll be a lot more prepared well we we all start paring see that up all right thank you very much
you luck okay all right all right so um oh we have a minute I didn't print them out for you I hope you [Music]
everybody have a chance to look at them hey I sent a couple comments Jim there you got those right sorry you got those comments I sent you from from last mon last month or this
ones no the ones you sent out oh I did not get your comments for this or February or February I didn't see it really yeah oh I'll double probably my inbox I haven't just okay it it was just um I sent them out over the weekend and you
responded yeah it's just under item 12 um Turned unused CPA funds oh yeah couple references to the whole property and it's actually the H proper say it again oh you wrote it to me how do you spell it I
keep how do you pronounce it Hall yeah okay Hall I don't know you had a no no it's Hall but when you said it before I kept hearing H well H yeah I maybe you were listen on you yeah yeah sorry about that it's theall
property right over there so there two two cases I have to change that's all okay anybody else have comments on the minutes so February 12525 it was 2005 um oh no no what no going back to
2005 okay no comments you a motion PES then ased motion pass okay all in favor unanimous then minutes good then we have yeah here's my
tra there's no bills that I know of anybody have any okay then in the mail um I didn't talk I did mention to the
um well the building inspect building Street treats and Parks super acting super sh on I asked him just check that we had to have public hearing for any tree removal in the OPG and it isn't
needed because Town property it's when it's on I guess the Border streets or something you have to you know um also I asked him about something I got an email today from looked like it was a do but there was an attachment I didn't want to open it because they're
talking about um Smith's Lane Route 3A Bridge replacement project and I know nothing about it he didn't know up hand anybody he was going to check on it yeah I saw that on here I was like what is that I don't know
um they it goes over three yeah right okay so he's checking into that and I don't know why we're being over fied about it but maybe you know when they have work they just make sure there
nothing right not area has to be checked out so that I'll probably next meeting we'll know more about and I also I had the email I ordered everybody the napc which is the National Association for preservation
National ass preservation something like that anyways the group we belong to um on March 27th they're having a a seminar on de de demolition versus Dem I can't
talk either demolition versus deconstruction of properties and it's free if you go register and you put in the Kingston historical commission the code know the p watch it I've watched one of these things and it's pretty interesting not
this subject but another one and defition versus what Decon deconstruction deconstruction which I guess you take things down deconstruction you take it apart demo you just swing the hall yeah
so I don't know I guess pretty obvious everything what the difference is but anyway and you do if you're looking for credit get some sort I was I think though it's because of the preservation so like if there's certain like you know certain buildings you have to keep
theads well there's also peaches too say but like I know when I was in London you would frequently see like the front of the building like completely scaffolded while they rebuilt the whole thing behind it y that actually made be really
interesting so tune in tune out um that was the mail anybody else have any mail for us no Don was proba we talked to
to um oh yeah so he went on he was doing research [Music] on about it came and old families I guess there were three nurses in my family three women that went nurses in
the Civil War and um he was trying to get information on him he ended up at the Army website his first page the army war college and right on the front tell him oh it's been taken off because we're
reanalyzing the thing and um I put on the what it refers to on the bottom um basically the content how they keep it um you know there's no guarantee stuff is
preserved because each department maintains their own uh system so some of the stuff may be preserved some may not be the memorandum for it from the uh Department of Defense is on the second
page and it goes up on the back of the second page there where talks about what Dei is and um what they consider DBI and what has to be removed so it's quite extensive
um the other order for it the thing that came out press release is on the final page as well as um per peros thing they removed the photograph of the who oh oh
yeah I know well was on the news um yeah that was you guys should have seen that was anyways anything like any well you know it's this history that's being
removed and um this is got official from the the Secretary of Defense um Bei content includes not limited to information that promotes programs Concepts or materials about critical race gender ideology and
preferential treatment or quotes based upon sex race or ethnic or other ddii related manage with respect to promotion and selection reform advisory boards councils and working groups content requiring removal also includes that which is counter to
Merit based or col blind policies um to every Federal Government website every single one so but the thing is it's all B copied you just have to wait for the servers to come up who's copied uh various people who are not in
favor of this C did you see this uh the AP has a list actually has link like of 26,000 photos yes that are historical but most of the federal government agencies have an ALT identity now and
They're copying all the servers and saving that so we will hopefully be able to get it back just like those photos are saying you're getting rid of this is the only currently the only place that those are
being preserved some of them maybe because they're probably you know from the government from the Army maybe yeah yeah aside from the ones that are sort of Going Underground this stuff and what like
well we're doing just school but what can be done like what what could we do I know that's that is the big yeah the big thing is to get people aware of it yeah you know this thing here woman nurses in the Civil War
that's a big threat right that was what he was looking for he was looking for information on women nurses in the Civil War and was not apparently so in other words women are anything that isn't white and male
is now erased now I was thinking about this a um it's a ship USS Mason it was a store escort that was a an experimental Second World War 1944 she was Commission in Boston and um it's a mostly a black
crew it's segate crew lives of course the officers were white the petty officers were white but crew were all black basically and um you know it was a pretty good success story for that that would be something that would probably
on a Navy website probably not there anymore you know piss this until they come back could go on forever about this but I mean who says yeah okay that should go versus this should stay does nobody even doing that right now appears
not right but hopefully like this one says they're say there in the process of being red and modified to maintain consistency so they're they're looking um this says they reviewed and adjusted the social media content to ensure
compliance they already done this is it's there when we looked it up I got a hope I mean is the L's point that removing them from sort of Public Access is one thing like well right now
USA the bottom of this says content will be archived in ACC to the code right but that code is on the back okay and it's up to each unit whether they're going to keep stuff really um so this different
Ral policies so hopefully they do keep it it's just off but you if you were trying to get rid of stuff yourself you wouldn't want people to just take it off and keep it there right until you go somewhere yeah you'd
want it destroyed probably I don't know it's conjecture the point is it's happening right now that the history is being eliminated from the public access and it's not big you know bad history
[Music] really no way that's what they said I it's all gone well I mean this says you can still find library Congress Wikipedia you know all that but the US federal government has gotten rid of all
of it it says information that promotes programs Concepts y but that's promotes is different than yeah but their interpretation of promote is very WI they're all different interpretations too each group has their own
interpretations there's a professor a historian um he's got a BL got a website and whatever but uh I was listening to some more of his stuff because he pointed out there old and the other other groups but he's got this Theory
it's all kind of a white prises thing but um he was saying that um Williamsburg Colonial Williams for right they uh removed the history of the American Revolution from the website did you see
that and he says how do I know that he says because I wrote it he wrote it like 14 15 years ago it's been up ever since it's kind of a unbiased view of the American Revolution and um you know so if it's
been up that long with no objection people don't find fault with it or errors or whatever it's been there now it's out and there just couple references to where people could look for information on the American Revolution this Colonial Williamsburg I believe that's national
park though so um under Federal presidential executive order that's being removed they just closed the national park one was in Utah that was a question they were saying um no one was in
theah [Music] um well what can you do about it I guess you know you can Tom's written to uh Senor Warren and um got a couple others going out you can do that but you can
make people aware that you know this stuff's being taken away from you I think that's the more effective because Warren she's but she has no power right or do nothing yeah just leave it there who's gonna who takes it who is
the person that takes it down how does it get takeen down well I I know a lot of what we're doing we're kind of in the same thing I'm foll like mad they're violating civil rights just
taking until there's more clarity it's not easy and I think a lot of people are doing that just it's the agencies are taking them down I don't I I'm guessing they're not destroying them and until
there is greater Clarity on what this all really means I hope that's what's happening certainly what so that's what that's about government censorship of historical every time something like this comes out
I think it those you guys read that book down the G was Garden beast in the garden or something like that by very famous offer anyways about Germany pre War
Germany and the rise there and um it's a historic book it's not really but you know I think the happy German in the house oh yeah that's a sour crout and everything happy all these things that going on just like
eventually when they find out about it it's kind of too late to do anything about so let people know when you talk to them you know no matter who you're for for president or whatever this this isn't the way to go about okay um continuing business oh any
other new business tonight ask for that because it's business section other what on to continuing business no Tom when he told told me that he wasn't coming tonight I said to him I said Tom you know what that means you what do you me going to be a short
meeting he goes okay updating on 3and Book Project anything new um we're just cranking away starting new section basically on the 1800s and Civil War industrialization here and the Civil
War and hope it didn't include any [Music] minorities Pages well we have a profile P tusking the [Music]
air um and and real quickly I know we mentioned the um Jones Road Village st's annual meeting um that went over well um the the matching fund opportunity is that still
yes I didn't get a form I don't think so I do you get form or something oh I mean there's there's no there's no formet you could you could go to them and Carol Anderson upgoing president emailed all the Society members okay um it's there's just to back up there's two
two matching yeah uh fund opportunities one is for renovating what they call Mary's Garden at the Bradford House which needs a lot of work new fans Etc are moving Brandon around and then also to help the book project and um through
a very generous Source was a who was Trustee of a charitable fund um he will um match up to $10,000 for both um uh uh excuse me at
two for two matches two for one rather it's $200 less one for one over that so basically you could just you could send something to the Book Project or to the Jones River Village postal address just noting which one and I'm just saying as a
general for anybody who's listening but it's that's going to be helpful that's great so you collect well be Tom he's corporate I mean we can either of us um anything else on back just briefly
uh because his presentation ideas is noted there um speaking of um Civil War Patrick Brown former commission member and and a real historian um he's put a couple of pieces um including really
keying in on um units that kingstonians served in war and he has some new material and that may be I bet I'm going to ask Patrick that might be a nice presentation he's he's really good so that's one the other one um sort of
coming out of the Bradford House and the The Village Society um the dos and Chuck M Sherry would like to would be available to do a tour point out the significant artifacts um and likely have
um people in Period um dress at the braer house for that and then combine that with um like they sh Bill and that jackb spearheaded three parts on the Bradfords himself so might be a nice Synergy of stuff around the
bra house they that with Society can I request that if you do them like in the evenings because like 7 o'clock because coming out of the city there's been a few history talks at the library that I would love to go to and they start at
like 530 yeah and it's just you know there's a lot of um I think there's a lot of people that would be interest but everything starts so early that it's if you're in the city trying to get out on the trains and stuff just doesn't work
yeah and Tom mentioned it before dealing with the Jones or Village Historical Society they had the meeting but they had no one they still have no one as president or another big um position to CL Maybe open still and they need um
some new blood in there to take these positions so without them you know we don't know what the Gate of the society is going to be so I'm too old won be doing
yes so if you're not member join up and volunteer um anniversary Comm um nothing real we're just going to right now trying to get each of the working groups not for all the events um you talked about professional
memberships you weren't here when mentioned that um brought right excuse me you brought up about professional memberships um no not in general probably me anyways we talked about we are member of that
NAC but um well I got L here for the history camp but you you said that right yeah I did so um yeah I looked at that thing there is something very interesting thing on the the first shot
shots are around the world over there conquered coming up yeah it's like $900 for the weekend to go and you know you pay I guess Bo's hotel or whatever but it's a history lecture for like three days out there right where and it's a cute little video I say cute it's an
interesting video with a guy talks briefly um where right out there on the bridge the field and something I never really knew where how it ended up marching back to the R so you might want to check out that um link she has um but
there is this summer program in AUST yeah that's the camp in Boston yeah where that's a three overall weekend and um you know there's more to look into about it but when it's in August so like this coming August would be kind of
prime time to and they're looking for people to submit um applications to be presenter or do things you're getting booths there too yeah there are booths and you know so if there are people that are doing
presentations for next year and have it already put together I mean it could be used Dual Purpose is it is it is there a theme that they have you know like in this August will it be I'm trying to I have to look one for
special this year no different tracks it looks like so last year there was a lot about the Southshore what was going on in the Southshore a friend of mine went to it um I didn't go um and she said it was really really interesting um and
historical figures and things that happened on the Southshore and whatnot but you know the presentations the Bradford House stuff you know there's a film you know that that could be used to kind of they could use it for the camp other interested people but to promote
what's going on for us in 2026 um May a table for the book yeah the book and promote the book and there's about to be a lot of self- Shure people that go to it but people go from all over the country um and it's a pretty big have to
look that up that sounds really cool I do tutor con it's like this giant online convention for people who like the tutor per oh okay oh cool oh tutor that's what I was thinking like the
tut yes read yes com has the link on it but you just Google it too that sounds really cool it would be good to think about some ways that we could kind of jump on
that bandwagon to promote what's going on for us the anniversary and sell the book so you know I don't know I have to look more into it and um see if there's somebody I could talk to to ask and just Pi their brain about tell them what
we're doing in Kingston and see what they think that's what's the dates I didn't get that it's in the middle of a middle of a beginning maybe it's the beginning of a yeah
do you do we know the name of the organization speci I know it's history Camp it is history Camp okay I think it was just you know this group of people that started it but it's been going on for a while now you
know all right John your favorite subject so War graes oh you got some anybody know how to convert HC H format H if you want I can take it to
school and ask for folks be great I got them but I can't open them and it's asking like to start the subscription to do them I'll bring so the um we have so before
pictures we can go take after pictures of the actual headstones those that is all the um work they did on the um Bo G oh box gra yes and he does feel um I don't know if anyone's been in the cemetery recently
but the first one that was completely rebuilt if you I believe it's the first one if you look now it's washed away a little bit it was a piece of grin that's facing the church and he feels by other ones that he's done that that the entrance is that way now B the church if
you were to dig down a little bit more he said that should be in Glade that's what we thought be but we never seen it so we take a look at that yep yeah maybe a little excavation yep cool that's good to
know um QR codes I haven't worked with her yet on that um I've been working on QR Co at school trying to do something for postcard we're doing down there but nothing on that parting ways Road I you know I found I found the videos online
there's more information online too so we're we're going to use those to try to get this thing so we can show it at our 300 and um sot contact um oh what's his name the
guy God it's been ignoring me turn into a stalker what you been doing oh I've emailed him about 177 times yeah somebody that anybody knows yeah I don't know I tried like the
um the Harvard University division email box and then I tried like his email box and then I tried like PBS and but it's hard because everybody's got spam filters and junk fil you know what I mean so I'm sure you probably didn't even I don't even know that anybody
actually maybe C latra could know somebody who could get to him who knows you know just that's a good idea we could write an official letter you know send an official letter to him from historical commission okay that's a good
idea may connection to other people about it because I figure if you found that much you know when you get what 20 minutes in the show but there's like a whole lot that they did to get that 20 minutes so it would
be nice to know where it came from yeah right yeah like that see that other stuff where did you find the other stuff what other kinds of interesting things did you find um okay the uh CPC funds I wrote a letter those were returned I don't know
if you want to keep copies of uh what that I write as well secretary um there also a letter here for they needed for the um for the project that he's doing Michael is doing they have like
a Bo they have there RV yeah do we have we use Bridge of waters okay they if you need a letter for the r which is like something it's U Institution
research poar but it's if you're doing any research on that involves people um you know interviewing anybody doing anything like that you need to go through an IRB review to make sure you're follow all appropriate
polic and then this is the one given the money back that we voted on last me do do we have um we have a place like for electronic
documents like do we have a a place like a Google folder on the town website or anything like that if I scan these and put them in um I don't know but I don't think so but we can I'll follow well I'm G I've got a call in with the um it
anyway so we can get this email straighten down yeah you know so I'll ask them about that too yeah because it would be nice to have a common place we could but it would be just applicable openable by us right right
yeah I'm like a Google folder where worthy the members of it and um the trees I had another another um tree fellow come out to get an estimate um having her back it
reminds him the other day so depending upon that estimate we kindy of determine whether we can just go with three estimates or we have God forbid so um but we're on the works for
that so now we have three or four different estimates s thing estimate so to speak think it's what under 50,000 don't you just can get quotes but it's over
right that's a great point and then house plaque request um why that yep sent it out a month ago and here's our copy of it it's um just for the ls uh 31 Summer Street
the Frederick SE and evine Adams house um but that's they have also um the comprehensive survey that's great okay I went by the um you know where the Vets are right down by
the point there the yeah I notic they got a sign black up on it's not one of ours but too bad got to push our signs better get them out there oh the one next to it right up the hill from it no the house no
no house what was it name Dr yeah Dr Russo's place all right so that's all we have for tonight um I believe any anybody has something
else just an idea for um fundraising or presentations or whatever I was looking at that the first murder trial in kingon I think you had pointed out I was reading this story again in one of the history um I don't know if people in
town will be willing to do it but like a reenactment of the trial would be super fun that would be cool yeah that would be fny is there enough information on the trial itself though oh there's tons
um I haven't read it all but um however the nature of the crie and the relationship oh that's true it's kind of yeah it might be a little not family friendly maybe there's a different murder didn't did a presentation
that um the Adam Center oh maybe it was like a year or so ago or maybe it wasn't a presentation just about that there were other things about notable notables in Kingston and that was like a big one that everybody had kind of flocked to
that and he talked about it and it was really very intriguing and it got national attention totally in um long story short but Paul Gallagher's brother John is a great Southshore murders in different towns
from Abington that and but there's there's he actually sat down with Tom was like can I really how far do I go with this because of the is way the
relationship what relationship just speculation specul oh okay I got you yeah two two men I got you in the relationship well it was like not okay then a different one anyways I
just seen like they did a trial re like a historical trial reenactment and I was like oh actually that would be kind of fun we after that we probably have the FBI down here that would be fun too okay all right need a motion to a j
sorry is only the picture you're there with all that talk I unless enough yeah so the next date which would be the
is April 9 6:30 in this room April 9 April 9 April will be the last time around here back upstairs oh okay in May good I don't know I hope that link was okay the I it was I did try I double
checked it yeah great yeah I don't know what it it actually I had to change the one you had on there was for upstairs so but I I didn't rec realize that before but now I'll make sure
change your room yeah yeah all in favor [Music]