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Call to order of the Board of Water Commissioners for the town of Kingston. All right, you have all sent over bills, they're all set. And we have some minutes to approve. Will you >> I don't want to do them individually. >> Yeah. >> I move that we approve the minutes of

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April 28th as published. >> All right. Do you have a second? >> Second. >> So voted. And were you here for the 12th? >> Yes, I was. >> So you want to move the 12th? >> I'll move the approve the minutes of May 12th. >> Seconded and so voted. 2-0. >> One abstention. >> [snorts] >> All right. And we have first

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appointment, Mark Wedaboni of 17 Old Orchard Lane. Who's got >> Marty. >> That. >> Um here uh today to continue discussion about uh a water line that uh comes from Braintree Avenue um across Gray's Beach and through Old Orchard Estates and up to Main Street uh

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that uh the Wedaboni family has been uh working with the town Kingston in trying to improve the municipal water uh service for Rocky Nook. And we started this back in 1989 uh with my brother

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built the first new house on Old Orchard Lane and uh donated eight uh 200 ft of 8-in water main and a hydrant to the process. At that time, the system was being fed by uh just the Gray's

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Beach uh 6-in AC line. Um so he extended it that far and then when I built the uh commercial building on um Main Hill, it's actually the Main Street uh 6 Old Orchard Lane address um on that side of the tracks.

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In lieu of bringing the 20-in line over, um we worked together and extended the 8-in line down to the rail. That time you guys came up with a nice contract and awarded that and we got under the rail with some difficulty and [clears throat] then

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and got the rest of the loop connected. So, what we have in the process is PVC line all the way from Main Street so far. And what I'm proposing is we're we'll be developing 17 Old Orchard Lane on the property.

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And there's the AC line right in front of it. So, again, we have to dig the hole, we have to make a mess, we have to And after talking to Chris, the logic is that it would be foolish to try to get that modernized to PVC. And extend the

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8-in which comes all the way from Main Street at that point. Onto town property, onto uh Grace Beach property. That was the original goal was get underneath there's a drainage ditch that conservation has um well, they haven't

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really defined what it is or what it isn't, but it was a good drainage ditch when I did my homework. I have to go get a conservation permit for the house, which will be separate from this project. Um which will be ongoing, but they'll be doing their walks, they'll be in the

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area, they'll be doing the whole thing. So, um what I was proposing is to extend the 8-in line some 70 ft until I get to the other side of the drainage ditch and onto town property. If you guys you have a picture of this from

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I just did that and make it to you guys. So, the actual one >> [snorts] >> probably just one just the one copy of you that you made. So, the town line that you you'll see this lot here. This is the the edge of the town property. >> This is Old Orchard?

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>> This is Old Orchard and it ends Old Orchard Lane itself ends up here. And this lot has frontage now on the end of Old Orchard Lane. It was a piece of land we just uh put with it so that it actually has frontage. But basically,

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I mean, to get off Old Orchard to stage property onto town property, I'd only have to go to side of the drainage ditch, but what [snorts] what we were proposing is to come underneath put a a piece of uh 12-in 20-ft stick in here, be able to dig under it, and let

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the drainage ditch do its thing while we're waiting. And bring it over here to a an 8-in gate on this side. And after talking to Chris, I was proposing originally to the way this is set up just to to have the uh tap for 17 on this side of the gate,

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but he pointed out that we have to do a chlorination tap anyway for this. And if we put it on this side of the gate, we could use it as a chlorinating tap, and then bring it over and put it in the >> [clears throat] >> in the house. Um so, we started to get W's out of that saddle. So,

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anyway, what what we're hoping is to to be able to do these two projects close to each other, but unrelated. Um because the town of Kingston's involved, we'd have to apply to Conns Com as a co-applicant. Um I've got to have I've got all the

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engineering here anyway, all the locations of everything. So, um we're proposing to pay for the engineering part, and the excavation and the whole project, except for, and this is how it worked out last time, that the water department provided the the actual

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parts. >> Okay. >> The water line and the gates and and the rest to be able to um get this job done. Now, Chris, uh subsequent to me putting this in, found that the as-built >> Yeah. >> and Matt Bosch had originally said that the line coming

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across Grace Beach had been brought to the bathhouse or around that area >> Mhm. >> in [clears throat] a 6-in PVC. So, that means from here to the bathhouse, which is probably about here on the scale, >> Mhm. >> there'll be a piece of old AC left. But,

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that would probably require work from a machine on this side of the drainage ditch. >> Mhm. So, that's going to make it a seasonal situation to continue the excavation over. So, I could do the permit

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for excavating all the way to the bathhouse. That way the engineering would be done. Conservation be out of the way. And then, um we can see how the project goes and when the timing comes up because I'm sure they're not going to want to close their bathhouse. >> Yeah.

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>> Uh which we'd have to do here in order to do the project. So, um >> Is that something you think about for later in the fall? >> Yeah, it would it would be. Uh I would say that it's probably going to be about that anyway, but I just got the house supplied for it conservation.

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And I'd be real surprised if we're not >> It'd be nice to have all the paperwork done >> Mhm. [clears throat] So, that in the fall we could strike right at the right time while it's a dry, particularly. Huh. Cuz we got we got backed up on that Main Street side and that was a sewer.

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The swimming, so. Uh so, that's what we're proposing. I know if one of this, you know, permits [snorts] or whatever, we got to make sure it's insured. Um Crystal [clears throat] Clear Construction, Crystal Construction has um offered to do the job as as a A

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person, but I would want to work with the town and with Crystal on who would be qualified to do that kind of work. >> So, we supply parts you guys do it would would we be doing the parts to the bathhouse then? I mean, doing the construction of the bathhouse or that's something >> I don't know. It's not a lot of time.

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And it's it if we're there, the problem is is that it really should be a town if we're going to bring all the equipment around and drive on the park. That's the part that's sought out of the way. But, if we got the engineering part of it done for the whole project, we could leave the conservation uh permit extended if

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we don't finish the job. But, right now, I don't have any problem doing it, I but I don't really know if I can say to my contractor, I want you to go around there, you know, figure out how you're going to get to behind the bathhouse. >> But and then end up with a liability of damaging Great Beach.

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>> and they've got a lot of lot of conservation plantings. >> You've You've got on the sketch you show an 8-in gate on the town side of the drainage ditch. >> Correct. >> I I'm assuming that you're planning to

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go from the gate at 17 >> Right. >> under under the >> drainage >> drainage ditch to the gate shown at gate 8. >> Right. >> 8-in gate. >> Right. >> Not necessarily going all the way to the 6. >> Correct, but we'd have to we'd have to

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splice into the 6 at some point to keep your your line open and flushing so >> But you you could you could tie into the 6 somewhere around where that new 8-in gate is and not interfere with anything near or affecting

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>> the bathhouse. >> the bathhouse. >> Okay, that's the easiest part to do and we could do that just about anytime. >> Yeah. >> Uh we'd shut the probably the bathhouse down for a little bit, but then once you're >> Do we have to go back to the old >> if if nothing else happened, you install

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digging and install the new 8-in from number 17 under the drainage ditch to the 8-in gate. >> Correct. >> And then tie into the 6 at that point. >> to do that after that. >> And and and if something happens, it would be the responsibility of the

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Kingston Water Department and all the work to go from that 8-in gate over to wherever you pick up the 6-in PVC. >> Right. And it might be 20 ft, it might be I don't know where the engineering is cuz uh I haven't seen the as-built on that

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side, but um at least we we would permit though and and indicate that we were phase two of the project would be from the 8-in gate to the bathhouse and if [clears throat] we find it convenient and we're all there at the same time and it works we will span the whole thing out while

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everybody's there but I can't guarantee that piece is going to be but that's what changed the whole time and everything. The value added to the homeowner is that if once we get this replaced just as Chris pointed out it's unlikely that we'll be back there but with this AC line you know as soon as we get the

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whole thing landscaped we'll be back in there kind of deal all of it fixed. So um like I said I'm going through all the engineering anyway for the site and um might as well get it all done. So what I'd like to to do is have your

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permission to work with Chris and come up with where he would like to see the gates and everything so my engineer can draw you a real pretty picture not a set of a sketch and then we can get get an idea. Um we'll bring it back to you before we submit anything to

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conservation or anything like that. I've got to talk to Rick. I have spoke to conservation they're aware that I'm moving on this project. They're expecting it. And they didn't have any particular issues with it. Well the agent didn't I haven't talked to the commission itself but

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um I want to make sure we go through it correctly and make sure that the liability for the town is not there and everybody's in agreement with the contractor is and they got the right insurance and all that stuff so that we don't find either of us in a box you know going down the road.

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I just [snorts] thought it'd be good to finish it up. >> So we'll move to reauthorize Chris to work with Mark to >> Did you have anything else to add into that before we >> No I just I in digging in that area I believe that that transitions from the

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PVC to the existing AC in real close proximity to where you can look and I think it'd just be in our best interest if we're going this distance. Yeah. You know if it's 10 20 feet and you know make it all right 100% and put a solid sleeve coupling in there and join the two pipes together and

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and not have to worry about something failing. It's going to be more destructive >> Yeah, absolutely. >> to to the waterfront. I think this is the I think this is a a good [snorts] move proactively to present prevent any failures down the road.

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We're going to be real cautious and like I said, I even with a test pit just to get um exact location where that PVC [clears throat] 6-in terminates by the bathhouse. We did relocate the service for the domestic water to the bathhouse

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when they reconstructed the bathhouse. We moved that a ways towards that drainage ditch. It was still PVC. I found in my my notes when we did that job years ago. >> So it is it is PVC you hooked up to? >> Mhm. >> Okay. So that's good news. >> Yeah. So I mean if we could take and get rid of all that and get rid of that last

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little bit of >> Yeah. >> PVC and just it's a some fine-tuning of gate locations and and types of fittings to use it. >> That's why you're working together. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We'll get it done right. >> The engineer at Brady Engineering will be Nick and if he has available he can look at

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it and come up with what he what he needs to make sure you get a plan that works for you guys. >> Right. >> I [clears throat] mean even if it's a to minimize shut down with the beach. If we're able to take and do a test pit confirm where that pipe bends,

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you know, get a a day shut down, put in a piece of uh PVC with a a coupling from 6 to 8 by the bathhouse and put a gate on the end you know, gate in the middle right where the two pipes transition, put a gate right there

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and then go to uh a stick of pipe and we can live in that back up with a stick of pipe in there and then they can come and connect right on to that. >> Would that gate be to shut off the um the bathhouse? >> No, it would be to isolate the crossing the the drainage is

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>> So maybe do the piece from the bathhouse over to the drainage ditch first. >> Yeah, on the town side, do that first cuz you can shut that off. Cut that out of the Then you can go back and then you can shut off the gate that's over by the hydrant, over right in front of number 17. And that gives you a free path. You're

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not digging on any live pipe or anything else and it's and it's >> It's not fun digging around live AC pipes that's been there for decades. >> No, that's not what the soil is down there. >> [laughter] >> That's what just put the shutoff in and I don't know if it's a lead line or

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what's in there. The house goes back to the, you know, early 1900s. I have no idea what we're going to find for a shutoff down there. So, >> That's going to I believe that's a copper shutoff. I know we were using it up when it was a seasonal. Number 17 was seasonal. We never had any problems with the

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operation of it. So, >> [clears throat] >> Uh Kristen, just real quick, if you could weigh in, what type of pipe would be best suited for this? I'm thinking PVC, but would HDPE or ductile be better suited for this location? >> Well, are they planning on How are they planning on doing the installation? Is

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it open trenching? >> Yeah, it'd be open cut. >> Yeah, so you wouldn't need to do the HDPE. Um You know, so what Something though that you'd you'd have some confidence that you'd be able to find later. So, if

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there's any you know, question about trying to get the alignment down the road, the ductile iron allows you to use a pipe finder to locate it. But, other than that, you could stick with the PVC and you have a lot of it

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around. >> Yeah, we'd use the PVC with the tracer wire and run the tracer wire up into the gate box on either side of the that crossing. So, I'm just thinking with the with the the soils that are there, the environment that it's in close to the ocean, that

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um I ductile iron, I don't know if it'd be best suited for there. Uh the corrosion resistance as as opposed to the PVC. >> Yeah, I don't have any data on the impact of um

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ocean conditions on PVC pipe. So, that might be something that needs a little more investigation if you're worried about that. >> No, I'd be worried about the the ductile iron you're concerned about. >> Oh, the ductile? >> Yeah, I'm not worried about the PVC. There's a lot of PVC now. PVC runs across the beach currently.

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>> Yep. Yeah, and if it's not exposed, if there's no worry about it getting hit, you know, like that's where the ductile is nice where there's like where you cross the Jones River to or to the Ardina, that's a ductile pipe.

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It's not fully buried. So, there's potential that it could get hit. Um you know, and it provides a little extra resistance over PVC, but as long as it has sufficient cover over it, >> [snorts] >> I don't have any concerns with PVC.

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>> Okay, the PVC loop. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Yeah, the drainage ditch doesn't have any activity in it that uh the mosquito control cleared cleaned it out with hand tools. You know, we just >> And it's going to be it's not going to be exposed across the

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drainage ditch, right? >> No. >> 3 ft anyway. >> It'll be buried under the bottom of the drainage ditch. >> I have about 3 ft. >> Have only 3 ft of cover? >> Well, that's on the as-built that I had, it had 5 ft

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uh 5 ft depth of top of pipe was indicated back away from the drainage ditch. Drainage ditch was only a couple feet deep. So, that's why I was guessing 3 ft. So, what about >> Yeah, that's a little shallow. >> Would would it be worth sleeving it with

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a a larger pipe of PVC? >> Um or doing some kind of pipe insulation? >> Yeah. >> You know, and they'd make a specific pipe insulation for buried conditions. >> Yeah, I don't know. I was just thinking of thermal protection, but it as Chris

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said, it probably wouldn't freeze anyway cuz it hasn't freeze yet in that 6-in pipe. >> It was it was previously dead ended. So, you didn't have that constant flow. It had never frozen and had a an issue. And now that it's looped through the main street, it's constantly flowing. So, you get water constant

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water movement in there now. >> But, what lined it up for PVC if you had any >> thoughts [clears throat] and and right now that would be the easiest thing just continue the PVC all the way across. >> Yes. >> All right, good. So, it sounds like they have a motion to

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>> Mhm. >> So, authorize Chris to um work with Mark. >> Yep. Any questions or second? >> No. >> All right, so >> Who was second on that? >> He said What second you got?

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>> I think I will abstain. >> Okay. To keep everything >> You have a vote for that? >> Okay. I'll second it in 201. >> I have no objection. >> Just for clarification, Mark, you started the conversation by saying you're continuing this conversation. I

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don't want the public to think that we had a previous conversation with you. >> No, no. No, I said we need to continue the conversation down there. >> Right, but that would indicate that we already started it and we're continuing it. >> No, no. I I had a conversation twice. >> When he when he when he dropped off >> I just want that clarified because we

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have not been >> discussing >> No, we haven't. This is the first first presentation. >> Mr. Woodbury and I had a conversation when he dropped off this to discuss what >> Look looking for the as-builts. And if you guys could share that, that would be helpful my engineer. >> My guidance to him is to I review it and

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then get on the agenda to meet the board to present it. >> Right, I just don't want the public to >> Mhm. You got it. >> Good, good. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mark. >> Thank you. >> Chris then, you're up. >> We need that another time. >> Okay, very good. Um, so the first item

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on my list is the South Street well cleaning bids. Um, we did receive those last Thursday and you should have in your packet the bid evaluation. Two bids were submitted as anticipated. Um, the

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apparent low bidder, Mar Services, at 27,000 $705 and that bid is in line with what we were anticipating for a a well cleaning project and the um, the costs that

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you had a in 2024 for the Trackle Pond well cleaning that included both the well cleaning and the pump replacement. So that overall project was a little bit more, but if you look at just the well cleaning, the um, the bid for the South Street

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well cleaning is in line with that. Um, and you've worked with them before, so no concerns with the contractor on this one. >> There was no concern about having to replace the uh the pump itself?

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>> No, that pump um, is not that old. It was done um, 2019, I think. It was replaced and it was actually replaced by Mar Services. >> Very good.

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If that's the case, I'll make a motion that we approve the low bid to uh, Mar Services Inc. in the amount of 20,000 27,705 dollars for the uh, cleaning of the South Street well and

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>> Second. >> All right, second and so voted. >> You know? >> Okay. Um next on the list is the new well project. Um since the last meeting when Kirsten

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presented about where they were with things, since that time, um the pump test was stabilized. So, that was great news, and it actually stabilized a little higher than anticipated at 460 gallons per minute. Um

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Kleinfelder got MassDEP involved just to accept that the test well work the pump test had stabilized before they shut it down. So, there'd be no surprises once they actually submitted all the paperwork and have DEP say, "Oh, wait a second. You know, we think you should have kept

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going." So, DEP did approve the the shutdown at stabilization of the pump test. Um so, at this point, we are waiting for the analysis to be done, the water quality testing to come back, um

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and but overall, seems like they'll be able to put in the permit for the production well at about 920 gallons per minute. Um so, that was excellent news. And while they are working on

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the pump test report, um they're continuing with the pump station design. So, those two things are happening concurrently. Any questions about that? >> Another question I've got is um do we

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know what's going on with DEP and their review? >> Um well, there's nothing for them to review right now. They were just They had done a the site plan review, and then Kleinfelder will be submitting this

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next package to DEP. So, just So, no surprises came up with the next package. That's why they reached out now and to get a verbal, are you okay with it that it's stabilized? So, at this point, they're waiting for Kleinfelder to do all their calculations, submit the pump

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test report with all the water quality data before anything else can be done. So, and that'll be with the um the drinking water program here. Separately, there's the permitting that has to be done through the Water Management Act and the whole new source approval process.

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Um they Kleinfelder is working on that paperwork concurrently as well. >> Okay, thank you. >> [snorts] >> Any other questions about the the new well? No, okay. >> Good. >> All right. Uh next on the list is the

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water system risk assessment update. Um this is something that was originally done back in 2021. Um the EPA requires the risk assessments to be updated every 5 years. Um the initial one was done, like I

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said, in 2021 as in compliance with the American Water Infrastructure Act. So, this 5-year update just um taking a look at what was done before, see if there's any systems changes since that time. And really, the only big

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difference was the the Grassy Hole Treatment Plant. Um and walking through any emergencies that might have come up like from then and now. And as I know, there was nothing that was hugely significant. So,

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um the biggest part of the update will be accounting for the Grassy Hole Filter Plant and also updating it to use the current EPA risk assessment software. It's called VSAT. Um they made

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some tweaks to the software based on some other updates that I'm doing. So, we'll just go through that process. Chris and I um get that updated and the deadline on that is June 30th. And once we have the paper copy, all as

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we need to submit to EPA is an online certification that the assessment's been done. They don't want an actual physical copy because it's confidential documentation. It has to do with emergency response planning and

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um that's all confidential information. So, we'll keep keep you apprised of that. The next on the list is the unaccounted for water compliance plan. Um that I just want to keep I don't really have any big updates from the last meeting.

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Um we're still waiting on the uh MassDEP's um water audit to be completed by the consultant that they retained who's Tata & Howard. And um that should be wrapped up also in

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June, at which point we'll be able to finalize that unaccounted for water compliance plan and send that into DEP. The item E is um the last meeting we talked about the zone two and

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potential impacts of a proposed gas station project in Plymouth. Um I included this on the the list at the request of the board just to talk about should the zone two for the Grassy Hole and 186 wells get revisited

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at this point based on the analysis that was done by um a consultant that one of the abutters hired. Uh they had identified that there was some new information that was available by USGS

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that wasn't available back in the '80s, the mid-'80s when the original zone two was done. So, that was showing if you incorporated that USGS information that the zone two could be a little bit larger than it currently is.

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Tristan, thinking about that you do have Kleinfelder preparing a zone two for the new well. So, I was thinking it would be prudent to ask them for a proposal to take a look at the zone two for

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the Grassy Hole and 186 and maybe the other wells as as in addition. I don't want to keep saying well, but in addition to those those wells just so that the same methodology is used across the board. You know, we don't want to have

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mixing and matching of different methodologies. >> Okay. That makes sense. Now, when when I read the letter that Kristen wrote on our behalf relative [snorts] to you know, the gas station and we're

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mentioned in fact it was an updated way of doing the zone tools. I felt it was important that if there's a way that we can further protect or further identify those zone tools through new data that we ought to

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take advantage of that uh wherever possible and Kristen's suggesting that we actually ask Kleinfelder to sort of look at what it would take to >> [clears throat] >> review [snorts]

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and you know, update those zone tools. The last thing we want to do is leave any of the wells, you know, subject to potential infiltration if there is a way to identify and and more

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identify the limits of where those zone twos are. >> Is this something we can do on the current contract or we have to do something extra? >> I think we ought to ask them at least for a proposal to look at that. Then Christian and Chris can talk with

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Kleinfelder and explain where we are, what Hale and Aldrich found out as far as um their client was doing during the well drilling and whether or not there's any real documentation that would improve the delineation of what the zone twos are.

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I I get very nervous anytime there's somebody or some business that wants to do something at the very edge of the zone two that may have some long-term negative impact. >> I'm good. Anyone want to weigh in?

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>> Um I'm good. >> Okay. So, we could get uh Kleinfelder to kind of weigh in on that. Look at the zone twos. For those. >> Okay. >> If you do that, that'd be good. >> Yeah, I can send them that report so they'll know they'll

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they'll be familiar with what we're looking at and the questions that we have. Um and then Chris and I can talk with them about how to proceed. >> And a cost estimate to do so. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yep.

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>> [clears throat] >> And if there's any way that we can look at it through an expanded uh review of the new well that they're doing. >> Yeah, they're doing some hydrogeological

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evaluation anyway for the the new well so it would seem to be related. Um you know, I would leave the language on that and review of that up to you guys but um I'm sure they'd be open to um preparing an amendment and that could

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get pulled in under the next phase. >> All right. Anything else? >> Can I weigh in here? Is that possible? >> Yes, please do. >> Um so I paid attention to um the the ZBA hearing in Plymouth a little bit about

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this and they did continue it uh um into June. I think it'd be important to um you know, to let them know that you're you're you're taking these steps because I think that it it really matters in terms of where that

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gas station is put. I'm clearly not a fan of it. I think that it's you know, from a from a just a a thought perspective and having been around here in the '80s when that was when that was approved, the wells over there which was before the mall was

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built, before all of that before Lowe's was built, before um Amazon, you know, and all that stuff was was constraining our our area over there that I think it's pretty it would be pretty understandable if the

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zone two expanded because it needs to have more water and it's not getting all that stuff right now. It got it got changed um it got changed with storm water, it got changed with road run off. You know, and it got changed with with other places using it. So, I would

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really appreciate, you know, you contacting uh the town of Plymouth and saying, "Hey, yeah, we did." I think um I think uh the the town administrator did send a letter in, but I'm not sure that's enough. I think it'd be great if the water department weighed in and and um

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you know, if something happened to to our wells there, you know, where where we're going to go? Plymouth? >> Have we heard back from this group? From the letter that was sent, any response from them in here? >> That letter was sent in by Scott the

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Friday before the Monday meeting that Plymouth is going to be meeting. >> Okay. >> And then continue with that. >> Anyway, I appreciate the efforts. Thank you. >> My my comments were added in with Scott's comments on the town that I had signed off. >> by the town administrator. That was the

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recommendation signed by the town administrator. >> Right. And Scott's letter was based off of Christian's letter. >> Right. >> But >> Okay. >> Yeah, what Pine is saying is maybe we should send an additional letter to the Plymouth Planning Board notifying them them as a result of the information that

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was provided to us, we are going to be reviewing and looking at the zone tools for for our wells and the potential expansion of those based on the uh updated information available. And that

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while we are opposed to it at the present time, uh we ask strongly that they think seriously before doing anything within the very edges of where those zone tools are because it appears like they may in fact uh

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gravitate further away from the existing well heads. >> Yeah. Is there a ZBA even concerned with our zone two issues? Is that something under their purview or Is that just on us to >> No. It's all based, you know,

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you know, as they make their evaluation on whether or they approve or disapprove anything in the area. If in fact, you know, the town of Kingston through the town administrator and said, "Hey, you know, we have a a major concern here." We would hope that the Plymouth Zoning

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Board or Planning Board would look at that and take that uh information uh to heart as they make their decision. It's like any decision that any board makes. The the planning board

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can ultimately do whatever they choose to do with that information. >> I was wondering does the does the zoning board have any oversight concerns about water usage or that's basically our job? >> Um Bob, may I? >> Yeah. >> Uh so one of the the reason they

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continued, the only reason they continued is because they're trying to find the boundary of the APOD, the Aquifer Protection Overlay District, which is related to the zone two. So that So in a sense, they're they're they're concerned with the Kingston zone.

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>> Yeah. Can you identify yourself for the record, Jimmy? >> Uh sorry, uh Jimmy Powell, 51 Landing Road. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Jim. >> Love your ferret, by the way. >> Uh it's [laughter] a ermine. >> Yeah, whatever. Now it's a ferret. >> [clears throat] >> All right. Um All right.

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Do we any questions about uh sending a a note to the ZBA in Plymouth? >> I don't have a problem with it. >> Sound good? We send a a note to the ZBA then reinforcing our concerns, make sure they are aware of those. And I

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assume we'll be hearing from the group who's presenting it at some point in time. Is that correct? Well, they have to come to the next meeting. Well, if we just send them a letter with all of our concerns, I would suppose hope they would address it. >> It would basically send through Scott as town administrator, not ours

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directly. >> I believe the recommendation to go that route. >> So [clears throat] I think anything we do, we want to make sure that we tie Scott in to make sure that as town administrator, we're sending something to him that we

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want him to send on to the town of Plymouth and the planning board. To keep it at that same level of importance. I agree. >> That keeps That keeps him in the loop, too. >> That's correct. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> Get that savings. >> I think so. >> Okay. >> I'll figure it out.

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>> We'll work on it. All right. Anything else, Kristen? >> No, that's it for me. >> [snorts] >> Chris. All right. So, like I mentioned at the previous meeting, they've been in contact with Shawn Turner, the

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highway superintendent, with his current vendor to see if we can get lined up for infrared commitment. Address the patches over the winter make them more permanent patches. >> How many are we Are you looking at? >> There's only about six or seven >> patches >> Yeah, they need to from the water

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department over the winter that needs need attention, so I've been in contact with one vendor. He's His availability is kind of limited. He's sending a crew out of town. So, I was waiting to see what Shawn came back to me. He sent me a contact today. So, I'm going to follow up with them

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tomorrow. >> Does he have patches that he needs to be done on town road resurfacing that he's going to be doing at some point this summer? >> He does, and that's going to take a few patches off of our list. He's going to

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be resurfacing Route 106, so Shawn said, you know, those patches areas in there as long as they're you know, in sit, you know, holding up and doing well, we can put don't have to infrared those with that expense. >> But, wouldn't it make sense to try and do that at the same time using the same

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contract that he's using to repave 106 or whatever else he's paving, so that it doesn't bring in a required to bring in a special crew? Generally, these asphalt companies can do the entire process if they're notified in advance of what

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we're proposing we, the town, is proposing to do. >> The infrared is a is a different process, different division. It's kind of a separate area of expertise for the paving company. It's a different different group of guys that do that work. So, then I was talking to one contractor,

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they're going to be doing some resurfacing on Elm Street. And I was talking to that contractor about infrared, and he says, "That's not really my division." He says, "I can get you in touch with the appropriate person from that contracting company." So, it's two different

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subsidiaries in the same company. So, I honestly would just say we have to ask. >> Probably so. Some degree of expertise is required, not just >> It's a different process. >> troubling asphalt. >> Yeah, it's different process. >> process, like >> So, we're going to get that addressed before

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the end of the fiscal year. Uh in the downtime right now, not that there's a lot a lot of downtime, but Mitch has been working real good with the crews getting up to uh really get the hydra maintenance program back in a full swing for the summer with doing cutting lawns and mitigating any

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other meter calls and the like. So, we'll get quite a [snorts] bit done. Doing a great job. I just want to look good out there. So, that's good to check things out, lubricate things, and make sure things are up and running reliable. Uh I do have the leak detection proposals

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that we had previously discussed. Um I reached out to three different vendors, got responses from three those three vendors. They all conduct their leak detection under the M36 manual for

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leak detection for the methods used. They use acoustic and correlation to fine-tune things. Uh a little bit of a challenging system for us because it's we don't have very much ductile iron, which is easier to do leak detection on, do correlation.

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So, a lot of this is acoustic listening from the surface, you know, maybe 15 20 ft, they're listening with a microphone to look and see what they can hear. Now, they're listening on direct contact on hydrants, valves, gate valves, hydrants, curb boxes, uh things like that.

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Their hours of operation are all similar that that we do mostly day work. There may be areas where they will come back at night. That's all included in their contract quote price for coming back on off hours for low traffic areas for uh the

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the ability to listen better. Uh they will all provide daily updates on findings. Uh most of your things for immediate repair. They all can will submit a final report with all their findings. So,

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all these services and methods are very comparable. Uh time frames are all about the same you have 2 to 3 months to do an entire system. So, based on that um

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uh we've used one vendor previously. Uh he was the the uh lowest bidder this time. We were second second highest bidder this time. The lowest bidder is uh Prowl Underground Solutions.

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Uh I've taken a few classes that this company offers for leak detection and markups and pipe locating. Their methodology and talking to other departments, they've had good luck with Prowl. Uh and there was New England Services that we've used. New England Services leak

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water distribution. We used them the last time. Uh he came in a little bit higher than Prowl, and then there was CEI Consulting Engineering Corporation that offers the same principles, [clears throat] the same methods uh at a substantially higher um

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>> Do we have anything in writing that we can look at? I asked at the last meeting that we had some documentation that we could review. >> Yep. I have the contract proposals ready here. >> Uh you know, if we'd had them ahead of time so that we could read them. I I you know, I I trust your evaluation. I just like to

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know that they're all bidding the same thing. And that's what I wanted to see. I want to see what we put out to them as far as the contract that we wanted them to evaluate. And since we don't have it, I don't know what I'm looking at. >> Do we hold off until next meeting for

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that or do you >> I No, you know, if we've got Yeah, you know, I don't know what they were asked to do >> Mhm. >> other than the leak detection. But did we Did we have limits and specifications on what we expected them to do?

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That's why at the last meeting I wanted something in writing so that in fact, you know, we we didn't sit here with three numbers >> Yeah. >> and no documentation or no information. >> Yeah, that seems reasonable. So, I think if we can get that

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Is there Is there a rush to be moving on this right now with our ACO stuff? Or is that >> We still have time, but just I want to get on their on their on their radars, on their schedules. >> Let's make that top item of our next meeting. >> All right.

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>> I'll make copies of this to get to you guys for review. >> I think that's standard for everything. We'd like to see that in writing stuff. >> Yeah, take a look at it so that we can vote that in. >> All right. >> And so that we know what you told them we were looking for. Because sometimes, you know,

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I can have a discussion with you and then I can have a discussion with Bob and I can have a discussion Mark, and even though it's intended to be exactly the same discussion, the emphasis will change a little bit, tone of voice changes a little bit, and

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people hear things differently. That's why when we're looking for for bids, that's why when we went out to a a bid for a new well site, it was the documentation that each and every person was basically looking at the same

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document to bid on. And I I just I just get sometimes confused and and concerned that we're not documenting what we need to document to keep everything where it needs to be. >> Yeah,

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that's something more than reasonable. All right. Do you have anything [snorts] else on here? >> That's all. >> We we have a a vote we're going to take on articles, right? >> Yeah. Well, hang on a second. What was going on at exit 17 last week? Someone told me that uh the water

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department truck was at exit 17 for a some fire department thing going on. >> Yeah, there was an emergency that I responded to, yes. >> Did you respond to it? >> Yep. >> Was Was there a water issue there, or was that just >> No. >> [snorts] >> Okay. All right, just All right.

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>> The goal is Again, this goes back to the same issue. You know, as water superintendent is it respons- is it necessary for you as a water superintendent to be at something that was happening at exit 17?

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>> There was an emergency. I was in the immediate area and the resources were taxed beyond needed. So, under the state law, I am eligible to respond to an emergency without >> Yeah, under state law, that's fine. You know, under responsibilities to town of [clears throat] Kingston and Kingston Water Department and its residents, you

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have a responsibility >> I don't know if this is appropriate for open session right now. I think this might be something we want to discuss in executive at some point in the future. >> Okay. >> Actually, that >> Okay. >> All right. Uh amended articles.

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>> Um we had to change a couple of the articles due to the rebate from the town of Kingston for electrical credits that we received on our bills. And um during all of the financial

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overhaul Yeah, over the last 6 months, um the town of Kingston Town of Carver has found that um when we close out our FY25 bills last year, we had to estimate what we were going to have to pay the town

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between the time that we close out the year, Eversource bills us, and then Kearsarge is the um contractor the town works with for the electric credits of the solar arrays. Long story. Um, we underestimated what we were supposed to pay. So, we're actually

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$6,900 short from FY25. So, we had to adjust one of our articles to kind of take that money and clear it out. Um, so the original article that we had funded for water tank maintenance is now um

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$6,900 less than what we originally voted. And then we had to create an article for the $6,900 to pay the electric bill. >> Okay. So, the right wording here? >> I move that we um

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ask that both articles be placed on the warrant. >> Can you do them separately or can you do them together like that? >> if you could just vote separately each article with a dollar amount so that it's official. That would be great. >> Okay, then um

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transfer it to for water retainage into $6,923.14 uh from water department to Town of Kingston. >> All right, [clears throat] I'll second. >> Second. >> So, voted. And then second one here, water water for tank maintenance.

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>> That we um spend Excuse me, [clears throat] $220,291.17 uh to the tank maintenance account from free cash. >> Yeah, or water retainage. >> Water retainers.

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Second. So, what is >> It takes good. >> You got anything? >> Uh yeah, the next meeting is June 9th. >> I have a question. Do we get um Do you want to sewer guy

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>> I don't know. >> What is his name again? David. Um get the questions into uh the accountant for the town accountant for costs or town TACs. I haven't had a chance to get to him. Dave, he's been busy. Now, he's been out of the country on vacation for a couple

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of weeks. So, So, I want to make sure we can meet with her sometime in June um to go over the those costs. So, you guys can get those questions. I know Dave seems to have a good handle on what he thought information we needed from them. So, I think reaching out to him to get

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that um put together would be very valuable. We have Post signs. Anything going on with that? >> That is just a letter that we sent to um town planner uh regarding the revision of 3144 Street. >> Okay.

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>> And um the applicant did come in and uh pay both the fee for the first plan and the revised plan, which is all paid up to date. >> Okay. All right. >> And Kristen Kristen got that review. Does she have that plan? 3144 Street. >> No, waiting for Grady to get the

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electronic copy of 2244 the updated one to Kristen. >> Okay. >> I'll [snorts] call him tomorrow again. >> Okay. >> All right. Anything else going on? >> No. >> Move we adjourn. >> All right. >> Second. >> All right. >> Second.

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>> Yeah. Let's all vote on it. >> Aye. >> Aye.