just in case being at five o'clock. Oh, great. We're on the people. There we go. 5 o'clock. Okay. Turn your mic on. First up, we got some bills from October
17th and uh I mean September 17th and October um First, I'm going to pass them around. Everybody can sign them. And while we're doing that, if anybody want, we can take a look at the minutes from our last
meeting on September 15th. I had a chance to review them before the meeting. I will make a motion to accept the minutes for September 15th as presented. I will second that. Second. I think you need to speak up because we
can't hear you. Second. Okay. Any um questions, revisions, anything on those minutes? Uh hearing nothing. All in favor of accepting the meeting minutes of September 15th. I I
I Okay. Okay. How we doing on the bills? Okay. I have a variance request on a septic system application for 31 Charles Drive. Joyce, you want to help us out? Once again, it's it's um it's an
irrigation well and they've positioned it. Where it is is where it can go. There really no it's the same thing we went through the last meeting. Irrigation only. Yeah, irrigation only. Okay. So,
irrigation only. It should be in your packet. We have the plants. Let's see here. [Applause] The well is proposed over 100 ft
from a neighbor's septic system and will not impact that development. There will be no impact on the parcel to the rear as it is designated an open space lot. The wello the well also meets all title 5 setbacks and again it's an irrigation
well. So if anyone would like to make a motion or if anyone wants to take a look at it. How are you sir? Recording in progress. Any questions? I'll make a motion to grant the variance
for 31 Charles Drive as presented to the board. Second that motion made and second. Any other discussion on this? All in favor? Can I say that loud enough that you could hear me? Yes. Okay. What was that? I was making sure I was speaking loud
enough that Lori could hear me as she's sitting way over there. Did you get that, Lori? They got that. Yes. Okay. All in favor? I I Okay. Okay.
Joyce. Yes. So, health agents report um subjects remain systems remain steady but not um
not frequent but steady. Uh, we probably will start to see some uptick as some projects are going through. I'm currently reviewing the composting toilet project that's going to be on the land conservancy trust up off of Bishop's Highway, which
is part of the Wampao um land. I'm working with the architect on that project. I've also sent um the 360 Bishop Highway, the old um
sacred hut non-residents out for peer review to Pat Brennan because it's a quite a large and involved system. So that will be hopefully reviewed well in the next week or so so that that can move forward. Um
inspections are ongoing. I have hired a new public health nurse that will hopefully start I once it gets through all the powers that be um hopefully I'm looking at the end of
October, beginning of November. Patre time public health nurse was kind enough to sit in on the interviews with me. We actually had two really good candidates. Um so fingers crossed this will go well.
Um and then Pat will once this new person comes on Pat will leave her position. She is planning to remain with the grant which will be our backup. Um and so we cannot supplant uh the her
position as the grant nurse. She can cover when this new person is like away on vacation or if there was an emergency. But we can't just use Pat as the grant nurse because I know that question has come up. Um, so I just want to put it on the record in other issues
that have come. Yep. Nope. Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt you. No, it's okay. But so if we have increased needs, we can't access the grant nurse. Nope. If we have needs that are not covered under the current job description. Okay. That is how that that position is used.
or if my nurse, meaning the town's nurse, is on vacation, um Pat as the grant nurse, will act as backup for Maven or any major medical emergency that my nurse would typically handle. She will cover while that person
is not available. Um, and Pat has already made the offer to walk the new person through everything and let her shadow. So, which is really nice. So, like I said, hopefully the end of the month she'll be coming on board. Her name is Ann. Um, as soon as I have more
further details, I will let everybody know so and maybe make an arrangement so you can all come and meet her. In other issues, um, I went to court today for outstanding tobacco vine fine violation fines. I met with the town
council did come with me and because of the new statue that took place earlier this year where we're not allowed to mess with the fines that it's a state statue. I have no none of us have any jurisdiction over it. The
procedure going forward will be such that during a violation I will create a document a form letter that says what the violation is but it will be coming out of the board because statute stipulates that the penalties are issued
by the board not you can enact me with it but according to town council the best way to handle this is to have it on form letter that comes from the board that make sure that you we're all aware of what the violation was, what had occurred. So, part of that process will
be including the um compliance check violation form that we get and then I will be charged with writing up a a narrative explaining what's on that sheet so that should it go to a higher court for appeal per the store owner
that that's blurb is already written. It it's presented as an evidence packet. So the reason that we're doing it that way is so that you also as the board see what would be presented to the court. So that'll start, you know, at the next round of compliance um checks
and that's pretty much it. Great. Okay. Well, we've got some time. Um couple of things. I have a memorandum here from wage and personnel. Any and all submissions for changes in
job titles or requests for increases in wages need to begin by looks like December 22nd, 2025, which is not as far away as sometimes I'd like to think. Um,
now we are all aware that Larry has been uh getting some additional training um in anticipation hopefully of um making a change to a job title. Um
what would be in order for the board to do is if we were to drop the letter of support um it would be something that we would all sign. So if everybody's in favor of
signing such a letter, um I think myself or Heidi or somebody could get to work on it, you'd like to participate. Sure. Um anyone who would like to participate in drafting such a letter and then we could present it to the board at a future meeting, get it signed so that we
could submit it. The specifics. Go ahead, Joyce. That letter is for wage and personnel. The change the reclassification for Lor's is the through KTEU and I would need to have everything including your
letter by October 31st because we need to have everything submitted to the um union for review before it goes to HR. That letter would be um in regards to my position. The the
wage and personnel would be from my position, not for Lor's. That's through KTEU. So those two deadlines are completely different. I just wanted to clarify that. Oh, which one is Lori? Lori is KTEU and I would need to have a letter um to our office by the 31st of
October. I am concerned regarding the budget and that it looks like we're on the trajectory looking at a possible override again that if we go after changing her job description and giving
her the money she therefore deserves and I'm not saying in any way, shape or form Lori does not deserve this. um that we will get shot down at town meeting like this. And I like I just have a huge concern if we present it once,
we're gonna they'll keep beating us down on it. If we go into it at the next fiscal year, I think we will have a better chance of getting it. I did already look at that and given the rate of the current nurses
rate that this person is coming in and what the grade change my budget of for personnel. I I'm sorry. I'm like I'm like what does the nurse have to do with I calculated literally down to the penny um what I had
I can make those things adjust correctly to not incur uh drastic increases and requirements for personnel salary. Okay. Also, I had a conversation earlier with um
with Larry about this and um she's fully aware of the current atmosphere with the budgets and things of that nature, but um she'd like to see it moved forward. Um, and if it doesn't get approved for
whatever reason, if things don't go the way we hope they will, um, she's got a good attitude towards it being all in place for next year. Oh, good. Okay. So, the attitude that was projected to me gave me a different feeling on the
subject and good. So, I think that if we all get behind it and uh, like I said, I'm 100% Oh, I know everybody's wonderful. She's done a wonderful job and we really appreciate the efforts that she's put forward. Excellent.
She has she works with Joyce. So would we need a new um administrative person in the health department? It you'd still be doing the same just adding. It's a reclassification versus a new job. And the reason that we chose to do
that is because we don't have budget for extra staff. So what this takes is her current description as is and adds certain pieces that will be added expon responsibility that would move her from
being administrative assistant to an assistant health agent because we are not getting away from her still having administrative duties but we are adding some things that will make our department function better on the limited staff that we have because there
is no guarantee that this grant is going going to last given cuts in the state. And right now we get inspectional services, um, part-time nursing, an epidemiologist. If that stuff goes away,
I am one person for an entire town. Agree. And you're going to help me with the application and that submission. All of the required paperwork for KTEU has been completed along with the job analysis questionnaire. Everything has been
submitted um for review on my part as a as um a department head. I worked with HR to make sure that everything was done correctly. Lori and I have reviewed it for details about what is being added, what is reasonable to expect. And so
from this point once we get your letter um that packet goes with Lori to the union for review um and then it will come back and they submit it to HR and that's how it proceeds. At least that's my understanding according to HR
and would like to have this letter in your hands by the end of the month. Yes. The sooner the better. Sooner the better. Yes. Well, because um there was issues last year with the lack of deadlines provided and so it was um said that we
weren't in on time and so I am doing everything possible to make sure that everything is submitted well before deadline so that there was no question that it was everybody had ample time to review it. Perfect. Okay. So, we're going to need a letter drafted. Do I get any volunteers to
draft up a nice letter? I would be willing to work on that. Absolutely. Great. In conjunction with other voices. So, pick a pick a person. Pick a person and you can bounce it off each other. If we do just two people bouncing it off each other and then present it to the board.
Okay. So, any volunteers? I can you can email me with it. Okay. That's it. Okay. Okay. We can go back and forth with it. I'm happy to do that. All right. And you can show Joyce the draft and see if she's got anything. you and I will write it and then we'll show it to Joyce and she can add what we're supposed to
really put in there and we'll fix it up. Joyce, she can just take a look at it. If there's anything you can add to it, it would be good. No worries. Yep. Thank you. We'll have to we'll aim to have that done by our next board meeting. Yes, that would be really good. I think we might need to do it before that. Before our next board meeting.
Is the 15th of October. That gives us plenty of time. The 15th week, right? Mhm. Uhuh. Uhuh. the 20th. That's still playing. When does she need it? By the 31st. That's good. Okay. Because we'll all have to sign it and
we'll all be together. Yeah. That's why I'm saying if we draft it before, run it through us through Exactly. We're going to get it ready for signatur. We'll get it to Joyce and then we'll bring it for signatures on the 20th. Okay, sounds good.
How you doing over there, Dennis? I'm good. Okay. Okay. Uh, let's see. Do I have anything else? [Music] That takes care of that. I don't know what that was. I don't know what that was.
That was a child in the background. Someone went live. We could schedule our next meeting. We might as well. Our next meeting is October 20th. All right. Does anybody else have
anything under discussions? Anything they want to bring up at this time? We've got uh few minutes here before we're scheduled to uh start the public hearing. Got anything, Dennis?
No. Okay. Well, we can't start it until close to time anyway. So, um, just wondering, did anybody see anything new from the epidemiologist report? Is your microphone not on? Yeah, there we go. All right. Did anyone see anything new? Like any new information
in the epidemiologist report? Something that we hadn't considered? I did I did read it over report. Did anybody see anything? There wasn't that stood out particularly to me. Right. Right. Okay. I just was wondering. Yeah. I didn't see anything that would really sort of change my
thinking with what we've done so far. Correct. Okay. I appreciate um that that was done though. I appreciate that. How about you, Heidi? You got anything? Nothing, Cheryl? I got nothing. Well, the only good thing that um I know the fields in school was
sprayed. He's having trouble hearing you. You might want to The fields were sprayed for mosquitoes at the school, which was good to know cuz the mosquitoes will be
hopefully not as bad. That was at the other meeting. Yep. Cheryl and I get the in on what's going on at the schools. The school emails. Superintendent sent out a emails. Y
um good. Thank you. I have nothing else to talk about, Joe. Oh, come on. There's got to be something. Oh, well, we should notify the community that flu shots are now widely available
and people should be making moves to get vaccinated should they choose. Making moves to do what? Get your flu shot. And we already talked about that. You and I. You and I did. Yeah.
Yep. I think we go ahead Dan. I think we should consider not this meeting but at another meeting of adopting a policy microphone. I think we should consider uh adopting a
policy of not following the CDC guidelines but going with some of the collaborative states uh that have a ser vaccine policy and guidelines just for consideration because some of the stuff that's coming out of uh CDC
and Washington is batshit nuts. Pardon my French. So, it it's my understanding on that, Dennis, that the Massachusetts Department of Public Health has adopted a different set of guidelines. Well, what I'm what I'm suggesting is that we make it a policy to uh follow
the Massachusetts guidelines. I have much more confidence and faith in those guidelines than I have than the CDC at this as it's presently configured and the alternative universe are operating in them. I think that would be a great thing to
discuss at an upcoming meeting. Yes, Larry. You can save that for the agenda. Not next time. I need next time to be quick. Yeah. On the agenda for the next meeting. Lori, skip one. Put it on the one after that, please.
Thank you. Jason's 49th birthday. That's a good thing. Happy birthday. On the 20th. So, I'm looking to pop in and out. Did you have a copy of the um Go ahead. Sorry. What? Did you get a copy of the testimonies
that we received? Oh, those are all the emails. I did. Can I read some of those? Yeah. A lot of those were reiterations of what we heard and our Yeah, I was talking the last two
this one from Matthew and what was the other command's name? She sent us all one email, right? Oh, look. Janet's here. Yeah. Which one? The other one.
There was nothing on this. This is information for us. Are you okay before we start? What you should do, the way you should do that is um if you're going to speak, are you going to speak?
Yeah. When you go to go up to speak, pass it out then because then we'll be in the public hearing. I shouldn't really take material until that time that wasn't emailed in or some other format because you're right here. It just creates a glitch if someone
objects. Right. No, Dennis knows all that stuff. I know. He's a nurse. Dennis's expertise. What? Robert's will procedure. We not We cannot convene the hearing
prior to the appointed time. Right. Right. We have five minutes. We can go later, but we can't go earlier. No. All right. Yeah, I think I think the boy.
I'm sorry. Carry around her little bottle. Yeah. Haven't opened it yet. Makes her happy. Still trying to read the back. You might want to have to read. Have you tried to read? Have you tried to read it? Yes. Yeah. I was the only one who could read it at the meeting. Remember?
Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to read this into the record. I will read it. You want to split it? I'll read the first part and you can read the enforcement. I can do whatever you want me to. I can read it like a bedtime story, Joe.
All right. Do we need to read the total regulation? Is that correct? Before we discuss it, I'm sorry. Do we need to read this into the record before we discuss it? Yep. Because this is what we're discussing. Okay. Okay. Right. And I do have a clean
copy. I'm going to pass that down to Li. [Music] There's some papers in that that are done variance requests and things of that nature that we're done with. Everybody saw these.
Thank you. I have a clean copy. If in if this if in the end of this we want to do this Yeah. Doesn't say sample on it anymore or draft. Draft. Right. Exactly. Three minutes.
Is Kathy coming? I'm sorry. Y I'm sorry. No, I know presence basically. Can Can you read that? What do you want me to do? Barely. Right. So,
it's the public. If you would like to contribute in your via Zoom type in the chat interest is this half a bottle.
Okay. Well, but you have to read this whole thing to understand that. So, who's going to read? I don't know. This was this is what you had given up free when Joyce and Joy started in the parking lot though. I don't know how much it cost. Good question.
My inclination right now is to ban the synthetics and control the sale of that, but not necessarily ban. I think eventually that's what we're all some people benefit from it, some people
don't take away force opiates, you know, this is are they in favor of the regulation or against favor of it? So, I agree with that. But the issue right now though is that anyone can buy
it. Really? Okay. You wrote a book. Yeah. The thing that we're concerned about, we want to keep it under the hands of kids. That's number one, right? Wow. Good for you. Even the natural stuff.
Well, this this synthetic can can be there's not that much evidence that shows it is. Thank you. Um but Mrs. Sherman, good evening. [Music] But even even the natural freedom though
has some you know properties to it. You're like same thing. Kids shouldn't be able to get regulation. Nobody under the age of 21. Right. Right. The thing is though, prescribed and if if it's prescribed by
a if you're under the care of a doctor or specialist, there are people that people with verbal, you know, people can can prescribe herbs if they want to, you
know, but physicians cannot prescribe this because it's not approved by the FDA. Yeah. So physicians have no way of knowing what a safe dose is. So they can't prescribe it. Well, listen, that's the case. Getting better. But that's why we want
No complaints. We want regulated. We want age limits on it. That's not going to happen for Oh, of course. I think it eventually will happen. Of course. I I would move very cautiously about restricting people's right
alternatives. Okay. As the hour is upon us. Good evening everyone. The board of health is holding a public hearing under chapter 111 section 31 for discussion and approval of the
regulations prohibiting the sale manufacturing distribution ofratomratom products andratom synthetics. The date of this hearing is set for today, Monday, October 6, 2025 at 5:30 located at the Kingston Townhouse, 26 Evergreen
Street, room 200. Um, before we get in begin, um, this is a public hearing where we invite your input on the proposed regulation, which will we will read what
we've come up with in a couple of minutes here. Um, let's try to keep this. Um, anyone who'd like to speak can raise their hand. They'll be recognized by the chair. You speak from the uh the podium over there.
And anyone who would like to uh It's on. They have to turn their mic. Oh, yeah. We'll we'll make sure the mic is on for you if you address the record. Yes, sir. Yeah, they will. And um where was I going with that? raise your hand.
Let's try to keep that to just a couple of minutes each if we can and try to pay attention to what's already been said so that we don't get into a repetitive situation with six or seven people saying the exact same thing. The the board can hear it one
time and and they'll take note of it. Um as far as people on Zoom who um want to be recognized, you don't want to type anything in. you just wave your hand and you'll be recognized and uh we'll uh
we'll open up your mic and you'll be able to participate. So that's it. Um let's see. The current regulation reads as follows. Now the proposed current regulation
reads as follows. This hasn't been passed yet. Whereas catratom a a treelike plant indigenous to Southeast Asia produces stimulant and sedative effects when orally ingested in
tablet capsule or extract form. Leaves can be chewed or dried and ingested as a tea. Use of can be can lead to psychotic symptoms and psychological and physiological
dependence because it contains M. Okay, Heidi, what's that word? Thank you. And uh seven hy something hydroxy metrosity. Boy, this is pretty That's why I offered to do it for you. You know, you'd be great at this because
you're medical, but uh synthetic derived poses products pose an emerging health threat um particular among young and other vulnerable populations. disease subject substances are often manufactured without oversight, sold
without proper latering, labeling, dosage guidelines or ingredients transparency associated with unpredictable or harmful help with effects and are readily available in convenience stores, vape stores, and online with no safeguards. Whereas not
regulated by the state of Massachusetts or the federal government. Whereas the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court has held that the right to engage in business must yield to the paramount right of government to protect public health by any rational means. the FR in
accordance of its missions to protect, promote, and preserve the health and well-being of its residents and pursuant to the authority of granted to the Kingston Board of Health pursuant to uh Mass General Laws um chapter 111 11-31.
The board of health enacts this regulation prohibiting the manufacturing, sale, and distribution of cratomratom products andratom synthetics. Then there's some definitions. For the purpose of this regulation, the following words shall have the following
meanings. Board, the Kingston Board of Health. Business agent, an agent who has been designated by the owner or operator of any business to be the manager or otherwise in charge of set establishment. Compliance check is an enforcement activity where a person is
sent into an establishment to attempt to purchase a restricted or prohibited product. refers to the leaves are herbal herbal extract from the leaves or other parts of an evergreen tree in the
rubanic family native to Southeast Asia called here we go again um mitroana specosia good job pretty good that contains as its primary compounds metroazine
and seven dax hydroxy Mitraazine, which produces stimulant-like effects in low doses and opioid like effects in high doses. And it may be marketed in different forms, including but not limited to
smokable products, tea, capsules, and is an additive to soft drinks or other products. Cratom products refers to various forms of the plant metric metraia sposia which is native to Southeast
Asia. No wonder it's not from around here. These products can uh involve include raw leaves used directly or processed into capsules or tea powdered leaves that can be mixed into drinks or is used as a supplement. liquid extracts
which are available in various forms including um tinctures and capsules. Cratom synthetics are synthetically derived products that contain synthetic or semi synthetic alkaloids chemical
analoges or derivatives not naturally occurring in theratom plant. Nitra Spicosha persons any individual firm partnership association corporation company profit or nonprofit organizations of any kind including but
not limited to the owner operator manager proprietor or persons in charge of any establishment business or retail sale of products. Here we go. No person shall manufacture, distribute, sell or
offer for saleratom in any of its forms, natural or synthetic, as defined herein, or anyratom dive products or any products containing as an additive in the town of Kingston. Violations. You
want to take it? I can. Thank you. D. Violations. Any person or entity charged with violating this regulation shall receive a notice of violation from the Kingston Board of Health or its designated agents. It shall be the responsibility of the
establishment owner and/or his or her manager or business agent to ensure compliance with this regulation. Val violations of these regulations are punishable by a fine of $1,000 for each violation. Violations of these
regulations may also result in the revocation of other permits, licenses or permissions issued by the board. Every day that a violation exists, we excuse me rather shall be deemed a separate offense. If multiple violations occur
stemming from the same inspection or compliance check, they shall be treated as separate violations. Failure to pay the fine issued pursuant to this regulation within 21 days of its receipt by the violator shall constitute
a separate or and subsequent violation of this regulation subject to penalties set forth at paragraph two of this section. Payment of the fine is not required while an appeal is pending.
Any person who receives a notice of a violation of this regulation may request an appeal hearing before the board. The request must be made in writing, signed by the violator or the violator's attorney and filed with filed with and
received by the Kingston Board of Health within 10 business days of the date of the inspection of the date of the notice of violation was received by the violator. Any resident who desires to file a complaint pursuant of this to
this regulation may do so by contacting the Kingston Health Department. Before suspending or revoking any permit issued to the Kingston Board of Health, including a permit to sell tobacco products, the board shall provide notice of intent to suspend or revoke such
permit, which notice shall contain the reason therefore and shall establish a date and time for a hearing to be held no later than 10 days, 10 business days from the date of the receipt of the notice. The permit holder or their
designate shall have the opportunity to be heard and shall be notified of the board's decision and reasons therefore in writing. If after the hearing the board finds that a violation of this regulation occurred, the board shall
suspend or revoke the subject permit. Such suspension or revocation shall not be carried out sooner than 10 business days of the date of the receipt of the board's decision. For purposes of such
suspensions or revocations, the board shall carry out them out unless it receives an order of stay or injunction from an appropriate from the appropriate court before the date of the suspension or revocation is set to go into effect.
Upon suspension or revocation of a permit, all products subject to the permit must be removed from the re retail establishment. Failure to remove such products shall constitute a separate violation of this regulation.
Multiple permit suspensions may not be served concurrently. Failure to comply with the terms of the permit suspension imposed pursuant to this regulation may subject the permit holder to additional fines as provided
in paragraph two of this section and suspension of all board issued permits for 30 consecutive business days. Enforcement. Enforcement of this regulation shall be carried out by the Kingston Board of Health or its designated agents.
Enforcement may include unannounced compliance checks of retail establishments. Severability if any of the provisions of this regulation is found to violate state or federal
preeemption laws or is declared invalid or uninforceable. All other provisions shall not be affected thereby but shall be in full of force and effect. This provision shall not apply if this section C1 of this regulation is found
to violate state or federal preeemption laws or declared invalid or uninforceable. Thank you. Okay, that's the proposed regulation currently before the board. Again, we thank you all for your coming
tonight and I'm sure you have additional information you'd like to share with us. So, at this time, I'm going to open this hearing up for public comment. Who would like to speak?
Okay. And I heard you had some information for us as well. This is from the Youth Development Coalition. They up just to give you all some extra Thank you. information and I have a copy of a personal story that I brought for you
all here. I brought six. Hey, thank you very much. That way you have I already have one. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Oh boy. And then in here also she wrote this some more information
specifically about the seven O pills. Actually, I'll go for um so I first of all, thank you so much. Is this on? Yes, it's on. It's on. Is it on now?
Is there a green light on the microphone? You need the green light. You're good. It's on. Okay. State your name. Um I've been a nurse for over 20 years. I have worked Katie. You need to say your name and address. Katherine Marini, 16 Ashberry Street.
I'm a Plymouth resident actually. Thank you. Um I did work in Kingston actually at Silver Lake High School. I started your allied health program. I built it and then I taught it for 5 years. Um so I do love Kingston very much. As a nurse, I'm
very very happy and as a community member and a family member that you guys are paying attention to this because it is horrendous. It is horrendous. It is a killer right in our own homes. Um the withdrawals that come from this are not
anything like you would expect. They are not like a marijuana withdrawal or a caffeine withdrawal. These are convulsions, vomiting, not being able to move from cramping. This requires um inhosp care to get off of this. So while
I know that you have now all the synthetics covered as well in there, which is wonderful. It all needs to go. I just want to also make sure that we're paying attention to where all these people are going to go when their supply is cut off because they're going to be in horrible, horrible withdrawals very quickly. Um, I know this is just for
Kingston. Plymouth is right next door and we're selling it everywhere in Plymouth as well. Um, I just want to make sure that we know this is just the first step. There's going to be a lot of education, a lot of health care, a lot of public health care that needs to go along with this. You guys taking this leap, I can't commend you enough. This
is another opioid crisis coming right now hard and fast in front of us. When I talk to people about this in a room of four or five people, I can tell you honestly pretty consistently two or three people are directly affected in their homes and they also are suffering tremendously from this. And the other
people had absolutely no idea and are horrified that their children can be buying this online, at gas stations, anywhere. Um, it is an alkaloid. It is like morphine, fentinyl. is the same thing being sold over the counter. So, I just wanted to make those points, give
you guys some things to look over and also let you know that um Plymouth is behind you with this and we need to get it outlawed over there as well, too. So, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sir, my name is Matt. I'm a public resident.
Uh so the difference there's a it talks about but there's a different 70 is the product that's it'sratom but it's magnified. 70 is a product that's being sold under the name ofratom and uh it's the most addictive. It it's like buying
percoetses over the counter. It's it's going to be an epidemic if it's not yet. If you go on YouTube you can watch many stories that are coming out frequently about people getting off trying to get off of them what they're doing to support their head because it's so addictive. I just think you guys should go on YouTube and check out some of these stories because it's going to
affect everyone, every community. 70 is the product that is really the uh the strongest part of the creative thing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay,
this is Sherman. Um, Susan Sherman, 215 Main Street. Um, I guess I have questions on this. Are you saying that we have the right to say no
to this? Okay, good. And, um, beautiful presentation by the way from that woman. Um, frightening. I'm glad to see the board is taking this so seriously and doing something about
it. So, uh, that's all I wanted to say, but thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. This doesn't need to go to town meeting, does it? No. Janet, you must have something to add. Good evening. Janet Wade. I'm a
registered nurse and I live at One Snapping Turtle Lane in Kingston. I have a program here in Kingston on the public access television station that's known as Healthy Kingston. Last week I was in the position to interview um our local
state representative Kathy Linatra who brought has been one of the people who has brought this drug to our attention and to the board's attention and she found out about it because she had constituents who had gone to her and actually had had deaths in the family
because of this drug. Uh, so I'm obviously um very disturbed about this being out on the streets with young people or all people being able to buy it and not being well informed about it.
And I do support it uh being regulated and also just being off the being off the streets. And I think I applaud the board in taking a step on this and um
knowing that hopefully in the event that this is passed that our surrounding towns will jump on board and uh also support taking this off the street. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Janet.
Larry, you want to take your pick up there? Is it my turn to speak? Yep. Yeah. Can you guys hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hi. Hi. My name is Misty Brown and I am a loud and proud passionate cratom advocate
from Colorado. I am not paid to do what I do. I just passionately advocate for keeping holy cratom legal. I am on day three without taking myrratom. You don't see me in withdrawals. I'm not
crawling up in the bed trying to, you know, cry myself to sleep. What you guys have to do is differentiate between synthetic 70 which is causing the problems in your communities. You have to differentiate 70 between holy cratom
products. I would like to read y'all my testimony. I was addicted to FDA approved pain pills, benzo, and muscle relaxers for 11 years straight via chronic pain management for my degenerative disc disease from 2008 to 2019. I got fired
from chronic pain management in April 2019 because I didn't show up for a per contract pill count. I was 11 pills short and my drug dealers didn't have any pink Oxy 10. After that, I went to the streets and started doing cocaine while I was searching for a new pain
management doctor. In June of 2019, while in cocaine withdrawal, I watched that documentary, A Leap of Faith. My journey with whole leafratom began the very next day. Whole leafratom shut that I need one more snort, one more pill,
one more escape noise off in my brain. It allowed me to work on my wise of addiction. I have not been back to pain management in over six and a half years. I'm a functioning member of society again. I'm a thriving mother again. I paid taxes again. I am now a firsttime
grandma. I will be forever grateful and thankful that I accidentally found lab tested whole leaf cradle. And by me accidentally finding that by walking into a smoke shop in my community where I was carded, you know, I got IDed and everything. You know, that's how I was
able to find cratom. That's how over 6 and 1/2 years later, I'm alive today and didn't become an illicit fentanyl statistic and I'm able to testify to you today. So, thank you for giving me this time, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Good evening. Can you hear me? Okay. Yep. Okay. So, my name is Dr. Heidi Sakura. I'm a retired nurse practitioner and healthcare executive. I'm also a writer and educator for patient centered options to natural plant products
including um there's a few things I'd like to um actually respond to in relation to the different testimony so far. Um the cratom plant has over 50 alkaloids. It has been used safely for centuries in
its natural form. Um so I definitely agree the problem that you're seeing is synthetic products. 70 is not a catratom product. It is a completely different um drug and it is made from a very trace um
metabolite from one of the alkaloids inratum. So it's basically like saying that um because you use baking soda and cake that baking soda is cake. Um so I think that it's really important to make
that very clear that the problem is 70 and not natural natural is very helpful um for a lot of people and including myself. I I've used the natural holleafratum for over six years to manage multiple rare um
neurological disorders including a carry malfformation and tethered spinal cord. I am extremely sensitive to any pharmaceutical. I reacted to everything and that's probably because I have another rare disease and you will find that quite a few people with rare
diseases benefit fromratom but it has allowed me to regain my health, restore function and enjoy my grandchildren. But I began advocating forratom regulation after recommending it to a veteran friend struggling with severe pain and PTSD from the Gulf War. It helped him so
much that his young son looked up at me and said, "Thank you for giving us our daddy back." Truly, restored the function of his entire family. Since then, I've seen so many others helped with chronic pain, PTSD, anxiety, and
addiction. Many say it's life-saving. I support appropriate regulations, and no, if people, you know, kids should not be taking um any more than they should be drinking a lot of caffeine. Um it should be 21 and under. That's what we promote.
Um so it is important to understand that it's a natural plant. Um but there is confusion around that 70. The FDA has already warned about 70 and their plan to um make that a scheduled substance.
And when Dr. Mccari announced this in um July 29th of this year. Um he made it very clear that naturalratom is not the target only the synthetic um 70 and other synthetic um derivatives. So um I
advocate for access to safe natural cradle because anyone is just one accident illness or diagnosis away from needing help with pain, anxiety or addiction. And in all my years of clinical experience, I haven't encountered a substance prescribed or over-the-counter with a better safety
and efficacy than the natural catratom plant. Um, so theratom consumer protection act has been passed in 18 states. Many communities have adopted local ordinances to protect access to naturalratom for adults while banning synthetic products. I encourage you to
follow the model ordinance recently developed in Northampton. And um I know that you received uh emails from Laura Romney uh one of my uh colleagues and we are willing and to provide education and
um just let us know and we'd be more than happy to do that and answer any questions that you have. Thank you for your time and attention. Thank you. We have we have a guest in the man in the back. Yes, sir.
Okay. One minute, Lori. Hi, my name is Michael Nastri. Uh I'm a community member here in Kingston um at uh 41 Bog View Road. Um and I want to sort of echo both sides of what you're hearing here and maybe hope that we can
find a way through in the middle. Um I have found uh with um a lot of people that I know that Leafratom has been very helpful. However, um I've also seen the other side of it which everyone had so passionately uh discussed here. Um leafratum is uh is different. The it is
not um an an extract of any kind and is found in small um portions in some things that are actually very helpful for some people. I've gone through part of my life and used it and it has helped me through um and um I've been able to
stop using it without any problem. That's not to say that um someone with addiction uh issues wouldn't have an issue getting off of it, but um I do think that some uh attention needs to be paid to the difference between leafratom
and um these extracts and 70 which are super dangerous and I agree they should not be in any store anywhere sold to anyone. Um and I even believe that leafratom should be regulated um and have an age limit of 21 plus. That would be my suggestion.
Thank you. Hi. How are y'all doing tonight? Hi, my name is Jennifer Gillis and I have been a Freighom consumer and advocate for the last six years and I'd just like to share my story on the impact freighom's had on my life. 19 years ago,
I was diagnosed with transverse myitis. This came not only with many physical limitations, but I became a lifelong chronic pain patient. For 13 years, I utilized various pain management options, including prescription medications to help me be able to
function daily. Due to circumstances like the DEA cutbacks and changing regulations with the CDC, I was eventually unable to get those pain medications I've relied upon for so long. In May of 2019, I found the Holy
Cratum and I have been a responsible PROM consumer for the last six years. I can get out of bed, I can run errands, I can go to school functions. Even with my physical limitations, I can live a somewhat normal life now that my pain is being managed. And I know there are a
lot of others who have a similar story story to mine. Cratom has been a true lifeline for people like me. I do absolutely support regulations like age requirements, lab testing, proper labeling. Um, additionally, I would like
to see more education on the difference between natural holy cratom versus the semiynthetic 70 products being marketed as cradle. Um, it has been encouraging to see the FDA has kind of stepped in not only to educate the public on the
distinction between the two, but also warn about the risks that come with 70. Um, but they have made it clear that their concern right now is with 70 products and not with whole leaf cradle. Um although I do live in Tennessee, I appreciate the opportunity to speak
tonight and be the voice for the chronic pain community in Kingston who are unable to be here and speak today. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Hi. Can you guys hear me? Hello. Can you hear me? Yes.
Okay, great. Um, hello, my name is Allison Smith and I am the director of government affairs for the Global Creative Coalition. I live in Washington DC. Um, the Glo G Global Creative Coalition is an alliance of consumers, scientific experts, and industry leaders
who seek to enact regulations that ensure consumers have access to safe and regulated natural products. Um, as Dr. Heidi Sakura mentioned earlier um cratom leaf is a botanical from Southeast Asia. It has centuries of safe use. It's been
used in the United States for the last 50 years safely. Um and there are decades of preclinical and clinical science um that supports its safe use including um the FDA published a single ascending dose trial in 2024 that demonstrated that natural cratom leaf is
highly tolerable in humans even at high servings. And approximately 23 million people in the United States report consuming um natural leafratom today. Um what truly threatens the public as a mult as multiple people have said is the
concentrated synthetic products such as concentrated 70 um that incorrectly market themselves as natural. They are not the same thing. Um 7 hydroxy metricinine or 70 it's a it's a hard word to pronounce. um only occurs in
trace amounts as a natural oxidative byproduct when the cratom leaf is dried. In contrast, these concentrated synthetic products, they are lab created opioids with starting levels that are 100 times more potent than that than the natural leave and 13 times more potent
than morphine. Um these products should be the focus uh of enforcement, not um not the natural products. Um, the good news is is that the federal government is moving on that way. July 29th, the HHS, FDA, and DEA announced a
coordinated effort to put 70 on the schedule. And as Heidi said, the FDA has made it clear that this recommendation only applies to 70. And Dr. Marty McCary has repeatedly said that um, natural
cratom products are not the source of this um, legislation or movement. Um, additionally, as you mentioned, Northampton passed a regulation in August that banned concentrated synthetic products and allowed access a regulated adult access to natural cratom
products. This is the balanced approach that the approach that the GKC supports. Um, we asked the committee to allow for state and federal action to be enacted before considering considering local regulations. However, if you must pursue action, we ask for a resolution that
urges the state of Massachusetts to pass a KCPA bill um or follow the lead of the FDA who has reconciled the difference between these synthetic products and um that masquerade as natural. Uh so with that, I urge you to protect access adult
access to naturalratom products while restricting access to chemically synthesized 70 um to keep them from proliferating. And I do thank you guys all for your concern. I welcome the opportunity to bring scientific studies, facts, reports, andratom experts to your
attention and answer any questions that you may have. Great. Thank you, Susan. Hello. Can you hear me? Yes. Hi. Um, my name is Holly Trouville. Good
evening, chairpeople and board members, chairperson. I am from Drake at Mass and I am here to speak tonight not only as an educator but as a mother. In February of 2024, actually 20 months ago today, I lost my best friend, my beautiful
25-year-old son, Tyrell toratom. He was so full of life and joy and he was my only child. I talked to him every day. He had a great job, surrounded himself with amazing friends, and all he drank was seltzers from a cavaba. Obviously, we are aware that is an herbal extract that comes from the
leaves of an evergreen tree called Matraenine speciosa and it comes from Southeast Asia. Comes in so many different forms. non-alcoholic seltzers, teas, powders, capsules, energy shots, and so many people are unaware of the risks it poses and how addictive it can
be. It is a product that affects every walk of life. It does not discriminate against age, gender, or race. And it is marketed and sold as an energy and supplement booster, pain reliever, and mood booster in many convenience stores and vape shops. As we already stated,
the two main chemical components inratum are metragenine and seven hydroxy metragenine. The cause of death on Tyrell's death certificate, which you should have, was solely metrogeni toxicity, and it was ruled solely as an accident. He also did not suffer from underlying medical conditions, nor did
he have a secondary cause of death. He died from a product that is promoted as natural. And the truth is, just because something is natural does not automatically equate it with being safe. Now, I hear advocates say that the natural predom leaf is less than 2% 70.
And while the there is a low amount in the raw cratom leaves, the reality is people unless they're plucking it off the plant itself are not getting that plant. Also, when you drink matrainine, it actually breaks down into the liver. The enzyme is CYP3A4
and some of that is converted into 70. So that means the more metragenine you consume, more turns into 70. Its formation in the liver is crucial for producing the plant opiate-like effects. Therefore, the the ability to get addicted solely from a tragenine is a
reality. There have also been recent lawsuits and more are coming up on a daily basis. In 2023, an 11.6 million lawsuit was won in Florida in Washington state. 2.5 million. Actually, a very huge batonic botaniconics, which is a
large independent energy beverage company, just agreed to pay $ 8.75 million to settle a class action lawsuit. And the weird part of it is people are saying it's not addictive, but they agreed to add a warning label to its products saying that the drink contains, it can be habit forming, and
it should be avoided by people with a history of substance abuse. Yet, most of the people speaking in favor of it are former substance abusers or addicts. Um, also just in July of 25 in Washington state and August of 25 in New York,
there were two class action lawsuits filed for Metra 9. That is actually what my son died from products. So you see these coming out every day. These are just a few examples of everything. Low everybody keeps saying Northampton did the 70 yet low draken and chumsid banned
it completely. All those have banned it in the last eight months. I implore you to ban kratom. My son couldn't be saved but you can save lives that have yet been lost. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Susan.
Hello. Can you hear me? Yes. Hi. My name is Susan Eert and I'm from Mskeigan, Michigan. And I thank you for letting me have the time today. My 22year-old son Matthew died from powder,
the least potent form of cratom available in the United States. It caused him have a major seizure, go into cardiac arrest, and die right on his kitchen floor in front of his girlfriend. Toxicology showed he died from the toxic
effects of natragginine, an alkaloid found only in crepe. He had no prescription drugs, no street drugs, nor alcoholist when he died. And his autopsy showed he had no underlying health conditions. I am a member of the nonprofit group Danger Awareness started
by a mother who lost her son and only child and hundreds from hundreds of our members had loved ones die from. And although they want to distract you and say that 70 is the one killing
people, the fact is that my son and many others ha died prior to 2023 when 708 or 7 hydroxy metrogenine were hitting the United States market.
Um, may have a potential for medical uses as our government has spent money, but they're doing it for a potential for it to be a pharmaceutical, not to becribed be prescribed by a gas station attendant with unlimited supply to the
patient. And testimonies from over 53,000ratom users on Reddit putting show the withdrawals are horrible with many comparing them to heroin and other opiates. Thousands if not millions are now addicted toratom user are having
liver failure, kidney failure, psychosis, depression, anxiety, seizures, cardiac arrest and yes, some are obviously dying from it. And I thank you for all your efforts today in being proactive and saving your own people
from this garbage drug. Any questions? No. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Let Jennifer. She might just be listening to Do we do Jennifer?
Anybody else have anything to say? They'd like to add, share, anything? No. No. I think the gentleman I think the gentleman in the fourth row. Do you guys want to say anything? I asked him. No.
Okay. Dennis move to close the hearing. I'll second. Excuse me one second. Did you have something you wanted to say, sir? You got to go up to the microphone so we can get it. Hold that for a second. Okay,
we'll draw the motion for the time being. Hello. I'm Smith, I think. Where do you live? Uh, my name is Smith. Smith. Yep.
Where do you live, Smith? I live in uh Rockland. Okay. Yeah. So I think um cratom itself like if we regulate it we can uh control uh what uh who use it and how
the seven hydro uh seven hydroitin uh can be severe if we don't regulate it but if we do people usually use it like mostly by veterans to get off of pain uh from battle wounds like um I know a lot of
veterans from uh who have been in the Middle East. I know several guys uh from the Middle East who have been there in the battle and they use it to get off of pain from um
um gunshots, stabs. I also know a few people who use it to get off of stuff like heroin, cocaine, meth and uh itself even if you do ban it like um
it would not be as helpful because any neighboring town they can find it anywhere around neighboring towns. So like I know um like a friend of mine who lives in Kingston, he told me that even
if the town bans it like you can find it anywhere nearby like um Carver, Duxbury or Mira Boro. So I think if we ban it like um the whole cratom it won't be as
meaningful but if um if we don't ban it it's still going to help. But if you can regulate it, it can be a little different. Thank you. Thank you. Once again, anyone else?
We just have one other handups. We just That's the woman who just spoke. Susan S24 Ultra, did you have something to add? Yes. Yes. We can't hear you.
Unmute. Susan, you need to unmute. Oh, what happened? I think we lost her. Oh, she's back. Susan, you need to unmute your microphone.
Oh, maybe she's not. I can't. Okay. Can you hear me? I can hear it. It's very faint. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Yes.
Okay. I'm so sorry um to hold you up, but um my name is Sue Sue Cave. I live in Havana, Florida. I'm a strong advocate for cratom bands whether at the local, state, or federal level. I'm also the mother of William Cave who
died just 32 years old from matraining toxicity. Can you guys hear me? Okay. Can you hear me? Yes. If you could just speak a little bit louder, that would be great.
Yeah. Okay. Let's see now. Um anyway, I'm also the mother of William Cave who died at just 32 years old from a tragedy toxicity. William had no history
history of addiction or drug abuse or abuse. He was a loving father of one daughter and a devoted husband. On April the 20 20th 2024, my son did not come home. His toxicology confirmed that my
tragedy was his killer. William used to supplement his prescription meds that he took for anxiety and depression. One day, William spoke to a person at work who told him all aboutratom and how would help him. And he looked into cradle. He just didn't start taking it.
He read about it and talked about it and listened to people. And what he heard and read said it was safe, natural, that it helped with anxiety and depression. So he started using he became a chronic user and he
eventually became dependent on my son died from a toxic mixture of his prescribed antid-depressants and metrogenine. It show his toxic college report shows my tragenine as a contributing factor of
his death. Now I want to just um read out some facts. I'm also a member of Danger Awareness Group and advocate very strongly so other people won't have to suffer the same kind of heartache I've suffered.
But fact number one, labels and age restrictions do not change pharmarmacology. Rawratom alone causes deaths as proven by toxicology reports and medical examiner reports.
As Heidi mentioned, there are over 40 to 50 alkaloids in the raw cratom and still not a complete understanding of the two main ones which are matragenine and seven hydroxy metrogenine. Fact. Another fact, the cratom plant and products made
fromratom are extremely variable in their makeup. Every leaf is different depending on where it is grown overseas, the environmental growing conditions, how it's harvested, how long it's cured, how long it's allowed to ferment, and the manufacturer's processing technique.
Mitragenine found in the cratom leaf is metabolized naturally in inside the body into 70 into 7 hydroxy metrogenine. Most assuredly, a pro consumer protection act and regulations will not
stop this natural process in the body. Regulations cannot keep pace with a 1.5 billion dollar cratom industry. Bad actors are always going to look for a way to enter a market, find a product they can exploit, recreate it, and
synthesize it to become a product more addictive and deadly than ever before. Right now on social media, you can easily find links and websites with people giving stepbystep instructions on how to make 70 from raw cradle. And any
regulation, no matter how strongly written, cannot stop the industry's manipulation of alkyoids, cannot stop overdoses, and cannot prevent more families from suffering the lost mind has endured. The great industry is
dangerously reckless and out of control and it needs to stop. The public has no idea what they're really ingesting. In reality, cradle is a drug and a very deadly one at that. It is an addictive opioid like drug drug and many thousands
of families have experienced tremendous loss and heartbreak o over it. A ban is the only effective way to prevent these products from reaching the public. I urge you to ban cratom and scheduleratom as a class one or two drug. Thank you so
much for listening to me. Thank you so much. Okay, Dennis move to close the public hearing. Second. All in favor? I I Okay.
Well, now it comes back to the board for discussion to see what we might like to do with the proposed regulation that we have before us. I understand that this is a would be a town regulation. But you got sometimes you got to start somewhere.
Not that long ago, I mean, I can still remember when you could put three quarters in a machine, pull a handle, and walk away with a pack of cigarettes. Nobody asked you how old you were or anything. It just they were available readily to everyone all over the place
and you could smoke them anywhere. A movement started and look where we are today. It's amazing. So sometimes you got to start somewhere. At any rate to the board members, Joe, I look forward to Kingston being a
spearhead on the ban of cratom through the state and that is my intention with this regulation. Dennis, I came here of uh two minds. Um one is
there is no doubt in my mind that there are um benefits to natural cadum and two there's no doubt in my mind there um there are hazards and the woeful lack. Okay, let me boil this. This is an example of a product
that um uh plant-based herbal supplement and the warnings and restrictions and this is for sale. The warnings and restrictions are written in print. Uh it's probably the smallest print known to mankind. Virtually impossible to
read. And if you squint hard enough and read hard enough, it says, "Warning, this product contains uh something or other something or other something or other and should be avoided by people who are prone to substance abuse." Well,
there is no supplemental information. Uh there's no guidance and there's no public um really awareness of the hazards and benefits and proper use. Um, I'm mindful that when you for for a
board to take action to restrict people's freedom to purchase what is not currently legally available and to take that freedom back and to take that freedom away should not be done casually. Um, but I think that in the
interest of public health in Kingston, it's necessary. I I hate to say it because I I I prefer um the ability to make my own choices, but to make informed choices. And the
purveyors of these products do not benefit from our information, our knowledge. They're purely profit driven. And the mushroom uh factor is very much in play. uh keep
us in the dark and feed us a lot of fertilizer. I'll keep my language clean. And that's what I'm hearing. uh the proponents uh not every proponent out there who is speaking in favor of this is uh working for the industry but the
industry is working for itself and there has to be somebody looking out for the consumer up until the time uh and I think that is has benefits and I'm very sure that very soon some
pharmaceutical company will figure out a way to extract those benefits in a safe and effective fashion and make a lot of money selling it to us. Uh they've done it on opiates. I wish there was a more effective um alternative
because pain is a problem, but I my mind is now made up that I am support uh in in support of the uh prohibition in Kingston and if the facts on the ground change, I would also be in support of lifting it. But that is not where we're
at now. Yes, ma'am. There we go. Thanks. So, from a public health perspective, um, it's our duty to look at the most vulnerable members of our community. Um, that's young people. Um, you know, I've got young
grandchildren that can ride their bike to a convenience store. Um and we've seen pictures of it where you know there are cratom products next to packs of gum or whatnot right easily accessible. Um so you know you look at the exposure to
underage people to this drug. Um and also people with substance use disorder that are also represent a vulnerable population. Um and this is you know um unmonitored unregulated um and as I think everyone has has made that pitch that there should be some
regulation whether it's being sold and it's just n so-called natural leaf form we really don't know what's in it. I know there have been contaminated batches of even the regular leaf form that have made people very sick. Um and um
you know in the absence of good information from the FDA, there are very few peer-reviewed studies in accepted medical journals. Um this it's very hard to get some really solid data on this. Believe me, I have looked um
we have to take into consideration the most vulnerable members of our community. Um and um a big driver to this regulation here was to get it out of the hands of young children so that they're not exposed to it.
So that being said, I want to note that I do really have sympathy for people who do have chronic pain. Chronic pain is a real thing. Not all people can tolerate opioids. Um I certainly do believe people when they say that um this cratom used
um judiciously is helping them to live their lives. I do understand that. Um but even that type of cratom is not regulated. We don't know what's in it. Doctors can't prescribe it because there's no recommended dosage. We don't know what dose is safe. A doctor doesn't know how much to prescribe. So they
can't prescribe it. Um now it's it really is up to the FDA. We need to encourage them to do some research on this and establish some safe standards probably and I think that will come um for the leaf form um and then different
classification for the synthesized medication. So yes, Laur is narive against it like it is with Yes. Yes. Great question. If somebody looks overly sedated and you're
suspecting, you know, who knows what it is, but you're suspecting opioid abuse or it could be from a crate, it the treatment is definitely the nan. Um the thing to remember with that is that um typically people who are passing out very often it's a poly substance use um
cratom is one of the um products that are found them um but they typically need more narcan um like so it would be like t typically two doses of nan but that's a great question. Yeah thank you what do you got?
Um I feel pretty much the same as the reg the rest of the board um on both sides and I agree um with both sides. I think there definitely needs to be some more work done with this
um but this is the work that we come up with. So, I feel like this is, like you said, the step in the right direction and I feel like, you know, the town would probably agree with us. Okay. So,
the board has several options. It can take this under advisement. We can vote on it. We can I would like to make a motion to accept the creative regulations as presented. Mhm. Seconded.
Okay. So, I have a motion that's been made and second. Any discussion? Got anything? Any discussion? Uh the only uh not to be redundant. Um, I also trust that this board, should
the facts on the ground change, uh, should adequate guidelines and information become available, will amend and alter this regulation to reflect that. But in the absence of that, we're doing the only thing prudent.
Anything else? Well, all in favor? I regulation as presented. regulation. I'm sorry. Do we have to roll call it cuz it's regulation? Yeah. And uh we're going to do that. We're going to do that. I'm sorry.
We're going to start with Cheryl. Say I. Cheryl Anton. I Heidi Whipples. I Rosemary Dano. I Dennis Randall. I Joe Kasna. I
Okay. Thank you all very much for coming. Yeah. Thank you all. Thank you for coming. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to see you. There be no other We have to sign this. I'm going to pass it around the meeting. Okay.
Today the fifth. Are we going to make a motion to adjourn our meeting? Yeah. Is today the fifth? Today's the sixth. 106. I know anybody if anybody else wants to see this. No. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's interesting, right?
Yeah. Thanks for coming in. We are. Yes. Hey, thank you very much for this book. I know I'm gonna enjoy it. We're about to evaporate. No, really. Thank you. Great. Yeah. Absolutely. Right.
Absolutely. Y Thank you. That's what we're trying to read that in the back. As we pass this around, when it's done, we can have a motion to adjurnn. Move to adjourn. Oh, second.
Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. There we go. I know. I know. And look at So, this it shows you this line right here. It says that's one dose and you're never to exceed that much. But you don't really understand that unless you read
all of that little writing. You know what? That's the thing that the health agent got for free in the parking lot. The gas station. This is so Joyce Kustoki, who's our health agent, she got that for free. They were giving it away in front of a gas station.
And so you're at the gas you're at the gas station and says,