Okay, good afternoon. It's May 15th at 4 o'clock. I'd like to call meeting the board of water commissions to order. There's a lot of business on the bills of the month. I think that has been done. Uh we have no minutes to approve
this month. Uh so the first appointment will be Mr. Francis 113 West Avenue. Thank you. This is a cozy place. Sorry for no. Anyway, my name is John Francis
and home down for 25 years now. My parents were there before that and uh we've had some issues with the water with the water system. Um this
the town has been shutting off couple years ago. They thought they shut it off. We had other issues with they came back and when they turned on off the water on shut off
coming up shut off my place. So somebody came down, they came down, they got it shut off, but that's all
well. I guess key was open up this year, I believe. I'm not sure. But anyway, that valve seems to be okay. It's open. I came down almost
ago, you know, discussing it. I you know you have a process where you know everything cost is yours first shut up. So that got broken and it's fine. It's
open. So no big deal. But now when you guys have to come down to find yours up. This is [Music] This is
the work that was done to bring up the the shut offs. If you look at those shuts when they tried to come down so hard that they had
to fire issue when they turned on the water the here. So I call him back and it's basically excuses that I'm I'm
hearing about the pipe and you know I was told that the you know when you let the water out of the pipe is there inside there and that makes it corps making trying to make me feel good and I talked this with I'm not sure who
was the supervisor for the water department. I'm not sure who that actually is. But um you know his fall back was anything on the outside of the main iss. But now you guys just came down last year was fine. The driveway was
fine. Everything was fine. When you dug it up, you can see the damage of the drive. We had that put in about five years ago and that's an issue and I said they turned on the water the water was
leaking right here and this could be anywhere but it's coming up here. So, you know, I think first of all the the concrete I think you guys are responsible for because you did an excavation and over
the picture here it's not you can see that there's nothing on that concrete. I can give you I can give you the pictures off my phone that was from
last I think it was but you know has been there for about six years now issues with it and I know I need to interrupt to say that
that concrete driveway has been there for longer than five years because I recall 15 years more going there. There was a soup can she had to get to to get to this service concrete and put a small piece
of gate box on there it up the rusted away. So it hasn't been that long. It's probably been five six years either way is that and if you look at where those boxes are look at the condition of the concrete and where the plaques are
on the concrete you know I think the I I think the the thing that you guys should do is replace, you know, dig it up, replace the the uh pipes, you know,
I mean, this is nothing for you guys and it's damage after you guys work on the pipes. I wouldn't say it's nothing for the board sitting. It's a issue that the
board needs to address. It doesn't have to damage your driveway that is on your property as part of whatever was excavated then there is a responsibility on part of the department. If in fact
the concrete was put in at such a way that you know you really couldn't get to the gate because it's right tight to the excavation to the concrete. I would sort of guess that that may have been
improperly installed, making it almost impossible to get to the gate block. But having said that, is the area to outside of the concrete driveway, is that the way it is today? Yes.
So this asphalt's been eliminated probably as Yeah, I think it's still it's still last right there. Okay. So, that's not that's not this will be a picture of one of the
shut offs. We can zoom that up. Oh, okay. See, see that's the time that I sort of have a problem with is the shut off was there when you concrete driveway. The shut off was buried. It wasn't there. It was buried underneath
the ground. That's why when um this year to shut off the water, you guys had to come up and excavate. When did this dig out or is it just usually when you put something safe
going on? I didn't do this. These are my shout outs that you see on the concrete and the shutouts that are right there are not those were buried underneath the
road. So those have been buried underneath the road since it was done because as a kid I remember there was four shut off the shut offs and it was season. Yeah, that was typical fashion back in the day with seasonal turnoffs.
And then the res who did the town that was Yes. Okay. So they went in they they went into the stock couldn't be turned one going to Prince two houses there. They couldn't operate
that stock was bond position. They went out to rectify it. They discover those seasonal stops that belong to the town over. I'm guessing the town, you know. So whatever is there
is in the road layout. They found those stops and it's happened many times before years. They used to have you pull up there's two stops that are exposed and strong enough thinking there an additional stop. thought to them. Here
it is right there at work and that stock failed one on the home side. So then they this past fall and they shut it off. They went down to take it off. They used the back truck so it was a minimal hole. They used the back truck with
anything for back to get in there. They used the back truck. I wasn't on the job talking to the crew. They adjusted the box up to three and the hot and they shut it off. So whatever piece of pipe is in between those two stop seems to be
what the failure is when it's stop is turned off. So the link is between the that stuff and stuff. So the stops that are right in the asphalt the town only maintain stops. These are ours. Those
are his. Correct. And the leak is between ours and his. Correct. Well, somewhere this water does not leak when it's off. But the the cracks in the concrete sort of what bothers me. If in fact the best we did to try to make sure
that we could get that stuff that is in the road up the gray did as a result of digging that up. Did we crack? This was settled here too. No, when you get the wash, you'll have
material on probably. So when this is off, there's no leakage. When this is off, is there leakage? That's There's two front.
Yes. So, do they have to do these have to be replaced? Yeah. The only ones that we're responsible for. My concern is that when we were trying to repair the ones in the road, did we in
fact break the concrete because, you know, they were paved over at some point. Just my thought was I think, you know, they loosened up the soil and it didn't get some came out from underneath the driveway and that's
why that is a driveway. So, there was no leak. There was no It wasn't it was a minimal unless there's additional compassion or it's probably cars afterwards that's
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really the issue of Mark, can you mute yourself, please? I think you guys worked on it and I think that's how the pipe ended up having issues and you know you've been using my
pipe like my shut off like for 10 15 years I would say is that a timeline I'd have to talk to Mitch and see what his conditions were out there when we sat next to him a lot of times to take pictures before and after
situation similar to this. So I have to see what he has documentation. Maybe we should take some time investigate this at this like I said Mr. Francis something responsible for take action. No I
already lo I was to go to the last meeting another month so probably six weeks now. I'd like you to, you know, when they turn the water on, the water
came up through the thing. So, I called up, they came down, they had to shut off the wall. Yeah, that's actually the only service. after. So essentially you got to make one way
or another. Yeah. But I think uh you know if I I would appreciate that you know if someone borrowed my lawn and broke it they would repair. Um I'm saying if you guys have been using my water stop for years that's broken.
So there's no real issue, but I have a week now between now and there because you guys went did an excavation and now I have a week. Last year I didn't have a week. You did the excavation. Now I have a week. Obviously it needs to be fixed.
Can we go ahead and fix it and decide on pay what the costs are later and the rest? It sounds like I would like to know a little more about timeline. But in the meantime, you want this fixed because you want this. So if we get get it we get it fixed.
I think you got to be in a similar situation just had up the street where this is a leak that's outside of our rules and regulations maintain a second we glad you're here but
said that the one up the street was one one curve box and the question was which side of the curve box this one is a a little bit different in the fact that there were two curb arches and and whether or not because we were using
deer curbs, private curb arch, we didn't readily know that the ones that were paved over for whatever reason they were paid over they were paid over. So do we in in some
aspect take some of the responsibility between the two curve and we can I would think that if we've got the equipment we go in and basically saw cut
the concrete from between the two curve boxes enough so that you and excavate it and repair that piece of pipe, repair the concrete and figure out
what the crops are and then discuss that after but at least it gets you thinking what's happen. Yeah, he needs the opportunity to rent his property and we don't want that
on issues. Right. So, I think what Bud's suggesting is perhaps the solution fix it. It wasn't wasn't his fault that we whoever we are paved over those cures. Sure. And
whoever was going out to turn on and off 13 West Avenue didn't recognize the fact that there were curve boxes missing. So they automatically went to basically his
like I said you pull up to a front there. It is the only place in town where there's two curve certain areas down the and I would have done the same thing. Yeah, the roads are pretty clear about who's responsible is where, but with that in mind, there are that can be
some circumstances where there might be, you know, reasons why we might take care of that issue, but that has to be discussed fully and understood. We don't do that. What I'm going to suggest, fix it, take pictures, and make sure that we
get everything we'll sit down with you again. And we should What I'd like to see if possible is I'd like to see um that corner of the concrete cut, not just a notch cut because
[Music] You know if you have to go back to this box to that shut off I don't care about if the leak is between that one and that one we are not going to the other if we discover a leak here we're not going to come in here
we're going to fix that so we'll fix the leak this is fine the way it is no issues with if in my world if I was you know if we dug a big hole I would say let's you know get rid of my socks and just use
set it up. We do the concrete and it's our responsibility. I think we definitely take care of that. We have to look at a little more see what's under make sure we you know that's why when you fix it take pictures make sure we
get everything documented so we can do this quickly. I'm not I'm not sure what you're saying. I've seen what's under well I mean where the leak is. I joined a little bit late. Yeah, it looks like it was this happened after service was done. So the direct
service obviously that's honest that's my it's sort of playing it seems but you know we don't know that for certain I'm leaning towards that but unless I see something that's obvious you know but it's something that we can't really
set a precedence for sometimes it isn't just like this normally we wouldn't do it you know because of the town stuff being paved over whatever whatever reason making the assumption that the
town stop with the other ones is a reasonable expectation of the guidel we've already impacted the concrete there's enough evidence that it's been impacted and something needs to be And exactly what that is, I think
will be discovered when we excavate and see what we're sure as soon as possible. Yeah, that would be good because you know that's I'm hoping to live down here. I work in I live in Sable and I
work in New Hampshire. So every day this way and it's 42 miles this way. One of these days I've lived down here all my life as far as summers went and you know this is just something that
I think you know work was done and we'll get it. I think we're all reasonable people. Well, that's you know I'm happy that you know I'm not in the situation with a different
[Music] app that was after that was this was when they turned on tried to turn on the water this probably last fall. I appreciate it. We need to get it fixed one way or
another. My son I can dig a hole. My son actually works for a company called Boston. What? Poor kid was going on vacation with his girlfriend's birthday. But anyway, thank you very
much for listening to me. I appreciate your you're helping and I I I have very good feeling this work. I appreciate it and I appreciate all the work. You know, I see the young kids
come out there, you know, or when they come in, I I say hi and when they start doing it, I walk away because it's nothing worse than somebody. But anyway, thank you very much. Nice meeting you. Nice for a face.
How are we doing? Very well, thank you. So, just a touch base on the main street watering project. Um, the 2in mill pave was successfully completed during the April school vacation week. I'm sure you're aware of that. We had perfect
weather the whole week. very fortunate about that so yeah they were able to get that worked on the traffic markings were replaced on the night of May 5th are some punching still pending
the ping that's at the top of the exit ramp and the sidewalk it's actually a concrete sidewalk so that has to be there was some temporary asphalt put in that has to be taken out And then this um areas the contractor
did indicate that they would do that work this week. Um so we put in the request for work last week. They approved them to be able to do that, but I'm not sure exactly which day they were planning on getting to do that.
hopefully while we have this good weather. Any word on the weather safe afterwards? So yeah, that's a mass DOT project to improve some select sidewalks and intersections, not the
whole roof, but they sent some plans, Chris. Yeah, I think it was they're going to put tactile strips in at crosswalks so they're not going to interfere with a lot of work done. So what? Yeah. I try to address that if
some of the prepaid final prepaid state but then so they called me and said, "Oh, um yeah, we're planning on doing that work in July and August, so we're going to have to wait until after that." And I said,
"Well, we'll be looking for the state to pay for the extra time that that having that long and having to work at night and well at night. I'm like, you know,
summer traffic is awful. Yeah. And that was part of the last year when we were doing the water. So I'm like, you know, at night so that
they don't go ahead. You're going to go ahead with that. Are they what's it going to be like after they're done? I mean, we have three course to make sure it's exactly they'll have Yeah, they will have to repair whatever they do to exactly how town did it. So, if they
interrupt, take pictures. Yeah. Uh has that been brought up at department head? In fact, the state is doing now. We're going to go in and repair make improvements to that's that's exactly
what us and you know school starts right at the end of August. So they could, you know, they could be right up against it for all that traffic all summer for the road where it was before and there could have been no time to do
the paving before start. Thankfully that's um you know we're able to see no it's going to cost us because they're going to say you should have been aware of it. future
he'll come up with a myriad of reasons and excuses on why it's the water department's responsibility make a note I think it was in the meeting and it's about day meeting I remember this being discussed before
you this original main street job was being discussed under CBI they were concerned the state was going to come in some type of project wouldn't it be good Basler was responsible with that project
or that looking into it and he said nope nope and then they told you no not good. So again I understand that I understand how the state works and you know what happens on each street is different than what happens
at headquarters. So I just want to make sure that it's at the department head meeting very clearly stated that we were aware of it. They said go ahead and do it because they were going to delay when it was going to be done. I just don't want the
egg of the phase to be the water department. Well cop those minutes of the hour so they were they said to me yes we'll help cover the cost. wanted to be done once we pay for that.
But they didn't. They were hoping to get any anytime you cut an asphalt, no matter how clean the cut and no matter how well you bind the edges, it's not the same. And the deterioration's going to be where that
cut is. So at some point what we have now is a roadway from the offramp to Jones River and then Jones River up main street in one continuous operation.
Once they're done there will be a manufactured fall because that's what it is. It's far enough down the road that you know the water department doesn't get blamed for the deterioration of Main
Street and keep our documentation because you know at some point fingers pointed at us right back theory
Yes. So in terms of the cost update, I don't have that with me. Invoice in the police details. Yeah. So we'll hopefully update you in the next few weeks about
that. That D permit expires the end of this month and we'll have to file an extension request if any work can't be completed by the end of May for some reason. So keep an eye on it's fairly straightforward. just get the extension
for us to wait for it to expire and the record I sent to Chris once over four weeks and there was project I just want to make one comment with the final page there was a little hiccup
with the uh the police detour details to us on the Monday holiday special pretty quick. And I also want to give a big shout out to Sean and his crew and his assistance at the fire department for assisting us
when they willingly discovered a train man hole that wasn't exposed and it got dislodged and the state says we won't be to take care of this fix this working along with the high department source of handle frame
cover supplies to get that done ahead of time for the final ph. So, it worked out really well. You guys did a great job collaborating, working together. That's been my experience since I've been here is that we probably collaborate with both
and never an issue that I know. No, it's great team effort notice to source the components get it done just ahead of Great. I reach out to Sean and thank
him for his resources and staff on the agenda. Next is the new well project. So update from builder on that the survey has been ongoing initiated their work. Um the wetland
scientist is going to flag the site tomorrow and then the survey will be back on site Thursday and Friday to pick up the wetland flags and continuing control networking mapping and then services is going to be
on site tomorrow on the test wall that was put in previous and that's just to verify the findings that were done before and the calculations based on the
anticipated yield and then also grabbing additional water quality when the water quality was done before it was that was before the testing was a thing. So testing will be part of this
test once they get that the So the information about the pump test and then the water data will be able to file the permit application to request a site examination. So and then will come out
just give their thoughts on the potential locations they have. After that's done, we'll be able to install test that will be used for getting more accurate calculations.
Yeah. So that's continuing to move forward. Have we run into any obstructions as far as the timelines are concerned? Um, no. They're on track for the new schedule they provided. The one concern
was, you know, getting services out there to get that physical test done. and know that they're gonna be tomorrow. That's reassuring. That's why I mentioned it earlier updates and stuff. So the weather too.
Yeah. Chris and I have been working to feed them the information that they request as quickly as possible. with that getting that information forward. So they are currently pulling together what they can
for that permit. So they're not it's not like they're waiting to do anything until they get they're getting together all the people. So once the contest information available just get it right in it has been
a ongoing discussion. We should be looking at other ways of constructing a well such as a design build. My opinion and my own this point that
any decision basically or recommendations to this board need to come through you using your expertise in your position on whether or not the design bill is
a valid way of approaching it or whether or not there are good reasons or bad reasons. why it shouldn't be done indications at DP he says we don't have a lot longterm issue as far as
volume is concerned we have a letter from town council that says we should not lift the term all of this needs to be weighed constructively to come up with what's the best way of moving
forward I had some discussions with with Keith earlier this week back yesterday and we talked about some of the issues even thought about going into design build type of operation. One, it would have to be a
complete renegotiation of the contract. It would mean going to town meeting and getting authorization just then millions of whatever dollars in order to build it in order to move forward. You can't go
as I understand it state funding assistance and state funding you got a contract to build it. Well yeah you need to have before that you need to have signed done. So if it's direct funding
mean the application they won't give you won't give you the money until you have the region program saying this meets all of our requirements. So the one thing that with the schedule that we
pulled together with builder was to initiate the design The board recognized that was there's some risk for that because normally you would wait until you get the the new well approved peritted
because anything can happen along the way with the permitting to say oh we want you to move the location a little bit of the well or you know whatever it is and then suddenly you have to adapt the design because of that. But you know
recognizing that doing some due diligence there up front to make that the location of the well is going to be you know as okay as you can make it before you go through that process and then starting the design right away. So
the design for the the well and the pump station for bid documents will be ready to release to biders as soon as you get that approval from the
states and you wouldn't be able to start a design build process until you have that well permit either. So in terms of design build doesn't time in this case. Some cases it does, but it does not in this
instance save you time. It does because we're already doing a version because we're starting the design early. Okay. While the permitting is going on and the permitting in this case takes such amount of time that you know you have to
go through that process and you want to speed up the Yeah, as much as possible. They ask to turn around theirs still. They have a certain number of days and they can do it here or anytime along the line to the end. And
if they do it here on each of them, we say weeks. Yeah. They only take two weeks instead of four weeks or whatever it is. That's kind of what I was saying. There's still certain like public comment periods that they'll be stuck with now
comment things like that. Are there any you know positives or negatives when you do a design build versus design and then building? Yeah. So with the design and then build know exactly what you're getting too. So um in terms of the
quality is set and there's fewer instances for change orders come up along the way. It's the conventional design design and then separate contract for the
construction is good for municipal projects that want to last a long time. What happens in the design field because now the designers are contracted by the contractor. So
it's all under the contractor and he's you know the contract is put in for a certain price for I can do this whole this. So now the designers get a lot of pressure to make the design as cheap as possible
because they want to save money. And so what you find is that a lot of pressure gets put on the design team to do things in a way that you would only because it's cheaper. So it they work out really well for private industry projects that
you have a facility that they say, "Look, we only need this to last 10 years, 20 years. That's it. It's a throw away." And that as possible as possible with
municipal buildings like wells treats generally want those more and the quality might not be there in that case because the motivation just being separate is is more likely to
result in higher quality. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And in this instance, you don't sacrifice the schedule because of it because of that permitting. I I did raise your question with Keith
that once we have the design complete, so we have a tenative completion date for the weld operation. Well, that is the earliest date that we could consider lifting a moratorum. So that fact, you
know, development can also start looking at that same timeline. Right now, we're still on track for next year. Yeah. 2026 the end of 2026 that it's signed done and so
the the bid you know that's provided it's the like the SRF schedule that's you don't have to comply with the SRF then but that's to be determined based
on you know their willingness to and it's also based on what our young town meeting approves the fun. SRF is just a fun but the general amount of money is going to be approved has to be approved
by the town before you can apply for SF. Well, based on what I saw at time meeting this year, I think a lot of push back to us, but what we need a dollar figure before
we say that with any degree of confidence. Yeah. So, we have been starting to talk discussions with sign that the pump station would be in particular. So, Um Chris and I are
going to put together a couple of thoughts on you know these things at a minimum but some of the things that we will need to think about are you know in terms of the footprint of the building you want separate room for chemicals you want them at the same
room as the pump that's the things that I was thinking that we would go to see a couple of facilities and talk to the operators about you know how we found that you know it's save a little money because you don't have the chemicals in the same But just having that more corrosive
atmosphere can make it so your control panels don't last as long, you know, the piping and all that. So that's what I thought would be, you know, good to my separate, but we need the actual evidence. Right. So there's a couple of
stations that I know would be good to visit and you know even if it's just you and I think separate see what happens it does need ventilation but like The older stations don't ventilate as well
and there are new codes for that which would also make it more attractive to put into its own room because of having to change over the air so much. Yeah. And you know in terms of the energy code and everything even a project of this size added making
it a separate room is a small addition cost compared to longterm damage compared to the bottom we have to put in. Yeah. Right. Yes. So, it's proceeding forward. Is there anything we can do to advance
it quicker? I think once we get to the point where something's going to be putting together a letter from the board requesting it expedited that they prioritize the project and exped
because there's there's other funding opportunities than just the state does. So trying to set the stage on some of that really if you can get us any information on
that relate to state rep. We have some very good relationship both tell those who you need but don't don't ask us to produce it until you actually need it. Yeah. There's only so many votes in the chamber. Yeah. Great.
Well, if they need if they can tell us what they would expect, but what would they need from us? They need some kind of summaries. You know, there's a person usually it's not directly adding a ball to be juggling it, but I think we need to juggle a lot of balls
at one time. There's a lot of pressure to get this. EMR is a very interesting way of going Sometimes they're amazing what they do. A bunch of discussions are almost over right now. It wouldn't be but it doesn't hurt to get
get the information. So that's amazing. Amazing. I wonder if they Brian, did you have something? Just a question on the uh not really so much
design between the new pump station. Is that part of it? Yeah, it'll be typing because the treatment plan is designed has the capacity for this new one.
So they'll be bringing the piping down from the new pump station. Does it make any sense to sort of split the vertical construction of the well and the pump station versus the
horizontal piping from the pump station to the treatment facility. Almost running almost two separate contracts so that you know when the well is done the pipe's already in place. Um well the the
well will be a separate contract the pump station and the piping. Um I would keep those together unless for the funding purposes we had separate. So in the last meeting we talked about the mass works program and potentially going
for that next year instead of this year because of the that's only eligible for horizontal construction and not vertical. So in that case we would allow the water as a
separate but in terms of the timing the contractors that the GCs that do pump stations will sub out all of that water to a site contract. I'm not sure given the just one road in from the treatment
facility to the new wellhead that you really would want an awful lot of, you know, horizontal construction going on while you're trying to build the Yeah, you got to be able to get equipment and, you know, everything in and out. And if you're trying to, you
know, build a a pipeline down the middle of a relatively narrow roadway, it doesn't doesn't sometimes work well. It's cleaner if the GC's responsible coordinator. Absolutely. Yep. And maybe put in the contracts
the idea that time is is of the essence here that if they can figure out a way to do them simultaneously. Oh, they will. Yeah, I'm sure time matters to them too, but it's matters really really matters. Yeah, because even if the site
contract is out and they say, "Hey, we have a big delivery coming in." They'll pause and let them get in. Okay, that's where it's just coordinate that. If you have two separate contracts, then you have a
contract saying, "Hey, you're holding me up." So, it's the same guy. He planned on it. But, you know, if there's a funding reason incentive to do that, then we will. Nobody has any.
Yeah. The other question that came up was the potential development of the the mall. It would be my opinion that they
have the existing connections to the water system at the present time. There is nothing in the moratorum that talks about how much water goes through that pipe. So adding pipes or adding diameter of pipes,
right? I mean, but if if they've got a service in there adequate to service whatever potential there is in the mall, whether it's a thousand gallons or 10,000 gallons, really doesn't make any difference. We basically put the
moratorum on new connections, not on the amount of water. I have a question that can you reference some language that I haven't seen vote by this
board doesn't say that so detailed it says no new services right but it doesn't talk about new connection If it's an existing service, then it's an existing service.
You had other places that had existing services that had like au So, they did that because they already have a connection to it. No, it's specifically to the mall question. It doesn't it's not just to the mall. It's to anybody that has an existing
service. In fact, they change the volume of water that they're obtaining through that existing service. That's that's you. Yeah. You can't you can't What was that car wash
thing to to dramatic increase to increase the size? They fell under the old bike. If they used the inch and a half that was inch that went into the old veneer
office, then they would have been fine. They needed bigger. That's that's really a question. Is that written that they were told that? No, no, no. I'm asking the question. It's a detail. I guess I just want to
make sure I understand it. If if you understand that was a they have an existing connection. Yeah. If they could use that existing connection for more water, they would have fine. Yeah. But does the mortori specifically say if you
had pipesized din something like that. Not that granular connection any new service or connection. Okay. So if you take an existing service and you increase it then that's a new service. You use existing service on the
other side of gay box that's yours. No I just want to make sure I understand it wasn't clear in in that quote. It's one sentence says no actually couldn't say anything about that. Nobody came and asked us either because what I just said was the intent
of the board when we voted it that you know if you had an existing service of an existing size if you change whatever you did on your side of the shut off that's your but you couldn't change the connection between the main and the
shut So as we discussed earlier, if in fact somebody goes into the mall complex, they have an existing water service going the mall complex, how much water goes through
that service is sort of independent of, you know, as long I understand. But if they needed to expand it, that would be stopped at this point. But that doesn't mean that you couldn't do a whole bunch of things in
anticipation of being able to expand it at some point in a relatively reasonable amount of time. I mean, basically what it's saying is the mall that has a
line going into the two inch domestic line. reutilize that relocating it. No, I I understand. I understand. Now, it just was not written that way in the sentence that did not say anything to
that point and using them all as an example kinds of production kinds of demand that's going to be up there based on the MP overlay and potential cost is enormous. So I just want to make sure I understand has nothing to do with the
law right now. What whatever the developer of the mall wants to do within the parameters that are now there. Yeah. With the potential perhaps in the future once in the well is in for something additional but right now pretty
straightforward what what's available I think. That's all I had to talk about. Sanitary everyone well. Uh there was no violations that were found, few housekeeping things, few recommendations, but all in all, I think that survey went very well. Being the
first time I experienced one of the state, but get squared away in the house looking for other really well. I think I read through it quite extensively and
the one thing that they did keep bringing up and I spoke to I know Chris has spoken to the crew is that while everybody's licensed, it it's a good idea if they continue to advance their their licensing
capability. So I I suggested Chris sit down and sort of in a a group format talk about each of them. Are they all as at as a whole increasing their licensing capability or if they temporary make sure that they
get different? I think I think they increase their pay if they lures because that might be an incentive once they have the license required for the job title position. They only get the
further labor contracting contract. They get a sip for the highest rate. So if it's a T1 or T2 or T4 license, they only they have all four operator training. They only get that one for that
grade one for that. Each grade license was definitely discussed. in the discussion that maybe we need to look at something like give them the encouragement to
continue almost like having more knowledge is never a bad thing. No, it it only brings on more responsibility, which is why people tend not to want to get that. But, you know, you got to make sure it's best interest to kind of build
up the guys. I've done that. Yeah. Since I've been here, I didn't might be a good idea. maybe have have a some kind of a get together with waging personnel and the union leadership and
see see where the problem might be if there is one. I think before we go to waging personnel has nothing we we really need to figure out whether or not you know the guys themselves want want
to do it. I mean let's not put the cop incentive. What would it take? I think we need to continue to encourage each of them to do it individually as well as the group as a whole. Like I said, I always tell the
guys when we go to license for look at water look wherever you want find a class better yourself whether it's something in a skill that you can pick up or another license. I would say go for another license. We'll get back
test survey license higher grade license if he wants to take another class that get the next level gra not require for this system but it's going to better do something that you get more knowledge out of that's going to make you look better on paper. It may not
apply to this job or this situation here, but opportunity sell places, but it may not apply today, but it may apply tomorrow or the next day. So that I think that all in all the summ up being meters for this quarter
that went pretty pretty smoothly. They're working on getting getting with cleaning up the wells and plants and everything else grass that season is suddenly upon us. Going around finishing up, tidying
up jobs over the winter and seed, asphalt, whatever it may be. put back in as conditioned in the months material busy little rash of leaks. guys
did very well getting on top of those caring. They went very well together very few question. So one of the reason I asked for that same survey when I met with DP
was to help the board understand that the main issue that they saw under the water management act for the lease. So my question was you mentioned some been addressed what is being done to
what kind of overlooking are you doing look at the leaks to get that amount down and that also generates the question more in it original form I have to interrupt you I'm sorry you speak to that you have abundance of
leaks I'm not aware of abundance of that's ongoing the No I'm saying recognizes that the amount of leaks percentage of of what you're pumping is excessive above the 10%. They've identified that in the sanary
survey and one of the questions that they've told me I know they told you is what are you doing to reduce the leaks that's a water management issue with them it's unaccountable water so leaks could be a component of it might not be
100% leaks though so it's the u it could be meters that are out of calibration each meter is that that's why I just kind of understand and clarify your your sources of information but seem to just I'm not aware of abundance of leaks
water recommended in the sanitary survey that the water department participate in the water audit that they will offer um through the grant grant they said offer that in September sign up for that the same we
just didn't get just in spring no that was a different grant that went through different agenc. Is there any? No, I don't think I think we talked before about that was the grant that we applied for to try to
get another detection survey had to come in just to do you know due diligence check the work that was already done and that was the grant that was denied. So that would be avenue trying to opportunity, right? Yes. But you know
this this would have given us a redundancy of going through and doing it again. They could have done something. Yeah. Leak detection is really a it's a hit or miss, you know, situation. You
put a a pipe on a gate and listen to hearing water running. As we as last time, there's valves, the bigger valves that were not working at certain pressures. We're expecting those as we go through to drop
that uncover water further. We'll see what as we get more and more time with it. Yeah. the leak that were repaired and then the bleeder adjusting the bleeders that we did was
done midway in 2024. So the kind of water went down from 22% to 17%. But it was only a partial year that you benefited from those issues. So we know by fall what
that those final numbers might be or a year. Are we um creating a D any data on the um meters and the accuracy of the meters? Because I know we had a conversation previous about the fact that maybe a significant amount of that
is just under reporting because we've never had any meters that over report water use but as they age they t under report. I'm wondering how much of that is the issue because I think a lot of our medias are getting pretty old now. It's Yeah. So Stacy and I just had a
meeting with a company show us their product explain their product way that it works remote capabilities take a lot of human error out of it. Okay. Eas workload
closings the like and it allows you to a lot of great features to monitor water use uh get some we're working on getting some pricing now pilot area see how that would I think it's a really good idea pilot a
piece of it see how it works because I I I feel taking some class meters like the registers the 90s does source calibration for our main treatment plants
Wells, but kind of give us thought that it might be beneficial for us to have coordinate things to do calibrations for big town country that could be failing and underregister program to see how big
that's a really good idea with you know certain area see what happens I highly encourage us explore to be suspected as having that's those are big master
meters that are involved which is why If there's a under reporting that's a lot not under 25 gall to do a source cal source immed calibration at the mall they compound I know that was worked
diligently trying to get them to replace that meter they built they had that was exposed parking lot would have been time to service that mall didn't want that expense That's a good idea. That may help, you know, in, you
know, coming up with numbers that may be under reported. I think it's a threat to the department that um other elected officials in town and D keep bringing up the unaccompaniable water and I think it's an impacted our
ability to um be able to grow the town and the the conversations I had the meetings that I had it always gets brought up. So if we can somehow put that away by do we've done due diligence
do extra diligence so that we can identify leaks that we haven't identified yet and I think find other sources of unaccountable water because I haven't seen water shooting up in the roads anywhere and have that that percent of
unaccountable water there's something else going on besides um leaks certainly I think it's a cumulative spoke to person about it has discussions great conversation thing registering over here
that adds up to a whole lot and that very well could be the source of most of our problem drives us above the 10% some of the problem you continue to work diligently
to try and correct that The model is the way it goes when you're trying to reduce the uncomfortable water and it's not just one thing. It takes time to make one change and you have to wait and see difference.
Okay, good. I mentioned the water signs have been printed and set around town see you can't really can't miss it because just really two lines
it's interesting I actually have when we play pickle ball with ducks got the same restrictions a lot of people have a lot more private wells to water big grass but one day a
Welcome to the real world. Maybe it's time to bring in one of those um horiculturist to explain that you don't need to water more than once a week if you do it right. In fact, you're actually hurting your laundry. I learned a lot. We did that a
long time ago and guy came in and it opened my eyes up and most people that water their Yeah. That's where like some of the education that we talked about before it might be able to help that we help
fight water do maybe some an evening at the re center talk to people who especially if they start seeing prices going Okay. How can I How can I still get my green lawn without putting so much water down? He's doing both a favor
to do that. Did you ask Sean about putting it on the BNS board? Yeah, I spoke to him today. He was a meeting. You just happened to be there today. That's really because it's one of the few places where you can get enough letters onto the sign so you can read
it. Sure. The typical roadway BMS sign doesn't really help a lot because you can't get a lot of information on it as you're driving by. I spoke today. Another thing I just want to over weekend on Saturday had a significant
failure. All problems went down. I worked with Mitch trying to figure it out and spent some amount of time the antenna on the street tank that we had just had replaced over the winter. So fortunately I had a spare
here up and change the antenna things back up guys. Who cleans the top of the tank? I did. me guys are going to do it. They don't do heights. So,
you need to contact the skater company or No, I was in touch with the radios and stuff. I have a spare radio here but omitted getting that program
frequency that was sort so that wasn't the issue anyways we need to get another yes no I spoke already so he's gonna next time he's in this area he's going to stop by program that radio so it's going to be universal anywhere
for temporary need and also furniture The one other issue that we have new business, one of the new business issues is the issue of the language at town
meeting. We missed it. Screwed up or just missed by the entire town. But what you read was not the Yeah. So I read
you read the highlighted match up 7,000 transfer. No transfer only. So we have to fix it. If you flip through the pages,
there's two options. First page would leave us paying about $46,000 out of our general budget to cover our expense for our annual water maint.
either of them, but you had to pick one or the other. So the article so each breakdown shows you the article involves how we're going to we have to get that 313 743 I think it was which was the
total amount and we have yeah we have to get to that number and then we can purchase the truck and then pay our obligation to the program. I just need to do this and
let it's pretty clear to me the secretary is superior motion and just just to clarify that again that the those articles will be recharged with
meeting. Yeah. Not necessarily recharge. We'll have to They won't automatically. We'll have to designate those funds back into new market before we do an motion. Why don't we just let Steve and Chris put together
exactly the way we should do it so that we done tonight? Well, I mean, Chris and I have already met with Kathy and Keith and um what she gave me. Her first um suggestion was to pay the remainder out
of our general budget line, but that's close to $50,000. That's a big hit. Um so then I proposed to her, well, what if we took that altitude valve and I was just thinking of taking money out of it, but you can't do that because it's not
what intended for. So in order to use that money, you have to close it up, close it up and then reallocate. So then at the will have to allocate money to the rest. Yeah, but it's Yeah, it's a little bit of a time loss, but
it's not a as long as it's not a money loss. I mean, the way that they said to us was you have money to pay your bills. It's just going to be a matter of correction. My my big concern was that we had enough money to make sure we
the tank maint that we need to make sure that that continued uninterrupted meant that Mitch had to ride another year that need to be replaced. you know, maybe we can the truck along,
but I think it's important for the tank maintain on that that schedule because we're kind of reaching that threshold right now with Smith the assessment on it. Right now, we can do a lot of costsaving measures.
We wait two another year or year and a half, two years, we miss that window and it's going to be much more in debt. It's going to double cost. It's one of the better things we've done the last three years started. So I don't I don't want to just be like a little hiccup.
Okay. Anything else? But the lesson is going forward. Yeah. Match the motion with an extra set of eyes. Well, there were there were at least 100 set of eyes, but nobody caught it in that room. Yeah.
what they're voting. They should know what they're voting. But interestingly, when I first started doing that, I used to read the motions right up front. They showed me this is what you do. Here's what you read. Said motion, that's what you read. And
they usually nine times out of 10 they match. Yeah. But nobody said that to you. No. And I think when I watched the video, Bob, you looked a little confused because if you look at the motion, No, but if you look at the way the motion's
written, there's there's a colon, which would indicate the following accounts, but there are no following accounts listed. And I saw you read that in pause and I even saw the moderator kind of pause, but no, he looked around like,
"Yeah, are you done reading?" Yeah. Which is probably where where the moderator said, "Wait a minute. Somebody should." Anyway, one more question I can tell. So, do you want to just take a vote that
that's the option that you want to do so that we reallocate close and reallocate? Okay. Second. All right. With the remaining as listed. Okay. We'll check it until voted. Thank you. Y that's
right just on a new business you do that street I just learned about that this afternoon Chris was at it want to give us a quick overview of what was discussed at that zoom meeting
this morning that I sorry I just don't see it on the agenda yet the new business number No, not on ours.
Can I see yours? I honestly didn't make it up. Oh, you know what? I printed No, no, we we did add it. I new agendas. That's That's okay. How we were going to give an update on that. No, sorry. That's my
bad. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, just a quick thing that the was um developer Greg can't remember his last uh some other notes that I have. He's
presenting a potential workound for the development redevelopment of the old street fire station property limited to 20 Main Street. He's looking to see if he can put in his own private
wells and then turn over to the town with the infrastructure on the port. I mentioned to him that you have to have a presentation who you ask about land zone one ownership control the quality of the
water known and they still investigating that further to see the scope of those containments. So it seems that this developer needs to take
create sorry to do more research. The town had other concerns as far as that goes with the traffic access scope of work. He's looking to put in high
density 100 units of power looking to do other things that could be right up to uh fourtory buildings. the numbers were project. So this the other members that were
there as many questions reeval there is no way that the water would want those wells. Street fire station. Oh
no. Yeah. So I I said you know he would have to make a presentation put together documents to the water review peer review go from there. the likelihood of
compatibility in the water quality pulling out of the ground to the quality of water that you provide. I would be worried about compatibility. It seems to me pretty much whatever goes there is going to have I don't see how anybody absolutely be great to see
something be developed that area be well thought out. Yes, but if you know the old seed drew property and where it's located, what you can do with that land is highly questionable. A good portion where the existing dunk factory
is it's right at the edge of the river. haven't seen any plans, no um no studies of any sort. No. Um we don't have any information. This is this is
kind of a Q&A session similar to one that we had done months ago. It was the same round of questions, the same answers. Nothing big change except he say put in two wells probably three to meet the went into a redundancy the
de small system wells but that's an open mind to imagine us ever wanting water from there to go into our system you're close to
the ocean you can brackish when it comes back. I said I said I can't say one way or the other without seeing the proposal. I I just bring this up. I want to hear I didn't heard the details but I bring it up as an example of the moratorum and
sewer commission's run that represents potentially a very significant amount of newance and new revenue which we will not see because of the because um I know that's the last thing I just wanted to I understand I've talked to
all of you individually collectively over the last few months actually um and I understand where your position is right now with the moratorum I talking with bud earlier like to have some kind kind of a
technical review process to move forward with Chris obviously myself member of the board to be on that. The idea is to go through some of what I've been doing with D try to figure out a way give you
more comfort comfort I guess moving forward you know I've done a lot of work with D I think this we had a discussion off record here for this discussion. I think you'd be able to see some things that I know and um I understand your
position, but there's some legal issues involved from a many different directions that are in play here and I want to make sure we flesh those out. One of the ideas and we have town council present to have a discussion or
see all the different aspects of what legal issues there really are not just from one position but from a multiple position townwide. So I asked that as a question to the board. We don't need to do it right now but time is of the essence for
the commission. We have a public meeting hearing uh Thursday which we are being forced to go back to our users to But they should not be paying for because we don't have the betterment income and we don't see it coming now that we have the capacity of taking
suits and that's what we have to resolve that's I got to resolve as a commissioner and I think we have you have to be part of it because unfortunately this decision making it difficult for us but we also went down I mean an issue for
you is in many ways an issue for us just like an issue for us is an issue for as we went without one town and we need to figure out a way to make this that conversation part of a larger conversation too about you know what
kind of efficiencies can we look into as part of course I think there's definitely some better communication that can happen and possible savings out there I'm not sure that so talked about
before, you know, just as besides the moratorum issues, I mean, a standing committee that discuss some of those issues that we touched on briefly some about that. Oh, yeah. I mean, I I
we're think on the same page here, but about I see us being much more closely aligned, not so much with the more current question, but for I'd be willing to especially over the summer that's up to you guys to I think
it's good that we have sort of an independent commissioner sit on that again as I told you I any group of people sitting together to discuss this the lead person has to be
because she speaking on our behalf. Anytime that she speaks about the water, she knows what the issues are. She knows how reacted in the past. She understands the performance that we
expect out of our engineers and our staff of the town. I think that's fair enough to do that. You sign up. Yes, we are. We will be
for the purposes of me going forward. I talk with Chris and try to come up with some time. important part is that Bob and Kristen come up with a time that they can do and then you know they'll you'll have to get your life in
once um June 17th I'm so I'm just looking back here my notes I think we already did all this on the Bobble join and that wasn't the kind of meeting I was talking about more different kind of
discussion. This is specifically the talk for the moratorum part of that meeting should be council will come out of that meeting. I think we need to talk about that's where took a strong position from and again all I would suggest is that's
one make sure this is clear that's a position one direction and we just talked about a townwide situation. I want to make sure it's clear that if we're going to be working as a team, we're going to have to be looking at town team so we all come to the same
conclusion collectively because it's a very very costly situation we're in. It's not it's not to be taken lightly. Thanks. Well, I I'll reach out
to coordinate that fine. Yeah. As long as Bob's involved, too. We're aware of it. Okay. Anything else? Motion to order. Move to second.