it's 6m seriously listen it's now 6m on February 10th I'll call the wag and Personnel meeting to order um couple of announcements the meetings being reced by Zoom anyone
intending to make an audio video recording of this meeting should notify the chair at this time not seeing one items may be taken out of order at the discretion of the chair um we've made this announcement several times the wage and Personnel Board needs a third member to be appointed by the finance committee
if you're interested in joining the board please contact the finance committee or the board of selectman's office uh first thing on our agenda is an appointment Keith picky the Town Administrator to discuss reclassification request for the position Human Resources management the
Human Resources Director and two new positions requested for FY 2026 Town treasur collector and Public Works director Pete you have the floor thank you sir um maybe I'll think the easy one first thought I think might be the easy
one the uh the tax collector town the tax collector Treasurer position if you recall uh was was voted in as an appointed position a couple of years ago we couldn't formally um have the
positions become appointed until each of the terms expired the um tax colle treasur term I think yes treasure treasure treasure term expires
um I'm sorry I'm wrong collector term expires uh July 1st 25 the or or beginning of fiscal 26 um the treasure term doesn't expire until June June 30th of 26 so what we
have to do and what the state is indicat we have to do is to appoint a um an interim collector for one year and um during the last quarter of
fiscal 26 fiscal 27 excuse me we're going to have to um interview and and appoint a full-time appointed uh tax collected town clerk so this is Town treasur excuse me I'm sorry Town Treasurer Clark
I apologize so so what happens to the town Treasurer during this period Town Treasurer remains elected for the for the for during fiscal 26 okay um and the the treasures position becomes app point and so if I'm understanding this
correctly the treasurer will go through fiscal 26 The Collector will not be in fiscal 26 correct and will have to be appointed yes okay and appointed for a oneyear term oneye term can the Tre he'll be
appointed on a temporary basis for can the treasurer be appointed to tax collector yes so there is a possibility that that the current ex current the existing Treasurer could be appointed The Collector for that term yes and then the job open up for
both yes at the end of 26 correct it's possible it's absolutely or another person with the understanding they only have a a serving time period of one year the one year yes sir okay so all right now that's do you
understand it yeah I have a question little little question one The Collector is expiring 7125 yes ma'am and the treasurer 63026 yes okay if we assume that everything goes forward and they and and
we uh um approve the collect a treasure R how can we have a collected treasure R in uh that's effective uh July 1 125 at the same time we're also having a treasure
so right now right what I'm what I'm looking what what I'm looking for for fiscal 26 starting July 1st 25 is to have a a uh tax collector position a temporary tax collector position for the fiscal
2026 budget year just the collective just just the colletive so you're not suggesting not in the byw I I think it can I think it can go it's got to go someplace right yeah it's appointed like many all the other pointed position so I
think it makes sense to be in the bylaw um and then next year we could bring back and say we're going to eliminate the position right um and change it to treasure colle yes sir all right that's my question we're Sugg I know it's
awkward it's a little clunky um but they the state has said that what they normally what they always require is when they're going from an elected to an appointed position you better allow each each position to have their term expire
they can't they can't they can't be uh unless they wanted to be unless they wanted to resign they resign their term then we would have had the opportunity earlier to um have the positions be okay I was just concerned that if we're
doing collector Treasurer and then we having a collector because of the unexpired term how are we doing this but you're not doing that so I'm looking to I'm I'm looking to have a collector treasure position in the wag of personnel bylaw because I'm going to
need one um sometime potentially as early as a year or 11 months from now to start advertising and depending on who ends up getting the position training um to to
fill those those roles so what we're trying to do is proactively try to get the that new position established in waging Personnel the collect the collector treasure the treasure both you got two positions treasure collector and you
want a temporary collector yeah and that's on me I apologize that's why that's why I asked the way I did yeah no I appreciate that so so now my question is yep do you have the built in for this Collective position and if so with where are you
putting it so we've split so right now and we did this with fiscal 25 the the treasure the treasure Collective position the treasure and the and the collector position are both budgeted uh in each of the budgets their salary is has been split in half half in
The Collector budget half in the CH budget and we would look to do the same thing if this was 26 Okay so so basically the so theoretically if the treasurer could be appointed to collect it would they collect the collect to sell yes in addition to right and it
would be I uh very candidly um unless something unexpected occurs um would would anticipate a pointing as an as an interim collector uh the existing treasure for that
one-year term he would collect the salary that he's B basically collecting now plus whatever adjustment wage and Personnel may give a wage and Personnel employees for fiscal 26 so I don't I don't know what the exact number is let's just say there's
$40,000 budgeted for in the collector's budget and 40,000 in the treasurer budget um total of $80,000 The Collector Treasurer now is getting paid that $8,000 if that same person were to
continue to assume that role it in the wage and Personnel commit committee agreed to give a 2% cost living raise to wage and Personnel employees then that person would get you know 80,000 plus 2% the each position is about 75
each elected if I remember correctly it's so it's been so elected it's I don't have in the budget F me so I apologize I can get I'm close in hemisphere so it's roughly about 75 each so my question is that you you'll appoint a temporary collector at say the
current rate 75 the treasur will continue to get their R 75 okay so if the treasurer became the temporary collector how would you square up his salary because now he has two jobs and I
the next question I have is I don't think the state allows you to do that so he's doing it now than thank you so much right now the the there's an elected treasure and elect elected collector MH he's he has both of those jobs he's he's
earning uh a salary for both of those jobs so right right I not right but he does have both jobs yes
okay interesting I'm sorry for no no it's nothing to be sorry about this what this is ground that no one you're building this bike as you're riding it so there's no there's no uh there's no you don't know what's coming what sure I mean we
got to figure it out I get it so the HR manager to the HR Director um you know I've been here now about four years um and I think you if you spoke to Tina and I think what she provided to you in the documentation that the employee job
analysis questionnaire you would you would see that the role has a lot more responsibility in it now than it did uh four years ago um dealing with uh you know I think we're spending a lot more time dealing with HR related issues
whether it be salary surveys and uh implementation of of the salary survey uh participating in collective bargaining as part of the management team for that um the one of the things that the town was not doing
in the past which was a violation I think of State law um the town of Kingston did not have a Safety Committee um that we by law have to have um uh Tina is uh has organized and is is managing the Safety Committee she has
been applying for uh grants through our property liability insurance carrier Maya um there have been times where we've gotten 20 and $30,000 grants for uh training of employees if we if for example if we're
finding if we're seeing a an increase in back injuries for example uh there may be a training opportunity offered through Maya that we have to competitively apply for um that Tina has done has received that Grant and we've received
um training uh through through Maya or their one of their Consultants at no cost so we've taken advantage of that a variety of different um aspects of um the job responsibilities uh whether it be uh confin uh confined
space training for you know Public Works uh police and fire I'm not sorry Police and Fire Water and Sewer um you know when you dig a ditch you've got the uh container that goes into the hole to make sure that uh people are prop are safe you don't have anything caving in
on employees all those type of things we've got you know grants that provide U safety benefits for our employees there as well so we've seen you know some of the costs associated with our incre our increased we've seen some of the
costs increases uh due to our our health our property liability insurance drop um because of our proactive nature in trying to uh provide the suff sufficient training for our employees to make sure that our workers complains are
down you our property liability insurance is are down still AFF of it do we do what committee yeah yeah yeah do they um the police inire do they still have the
um trailers for driving for driving for police and fire so um so since since covid uh Maya hasn't have those they've been broken but uh police
and fire as well as um uh Highway and water and sewer um we're getting back online to getting all those things taking care of um so it was you could appreciably
change the amount of Yeah by being and training I it's a wonderful wonderful and it's easy to do but it's a little disturbing sometimes it's disruptive the schedules but it's well yeah and police and fire um
especially police they have a place in Bourn where you can go and actually use the car so drive like crazy yeah I'd love to drive too okay well thank you for that thank you for that um can you talk a little bit about the you sent a
note um after the last meeting regarding schools um I was kind of interested in that so could you tell me because that was one thing that we would kind of tou it first of all she did a really good job the last meeting we were at keth
pitching her own position I'm right the incumbents I give her a lot of credit because um we did ask her a lot of pointy questions a lot um and um afterwards the note I saw said uh schools will talk about it at this
meeting so I'd like to hear about sure some of that involvement because that's a real good example of how that job's expanded has and and um you know one of the things Tina can probably explain more of the day-to-day stuff than I certainly but um being in an office
where um the quarter or onethird or quarter admin lives in you get to see and hear a lot of the conversations um between uh hired newly hired School Employees looking to come in um you know
get get the documentation they're looking for that they have to be complete to become a you know town of Kingston employee uh the changing and the managing of Health insurances um all the different other benefits that have to deal with with regards to the
Kingston school department um so you on board even the people in the school SE right so you are your people your department on yep for kis depart kis and K yeah um currently it's the uh the
shared source of the admin between for S and hit um so there's here's how the position's kind of grown with with schools so um the district up until maybe two years ago didn't have an HR person um up until about three years ago
the uh relationship between the district and the town was payroll related and so letters would get sent to whoever was sitting in the payroll chair and they would meet with the employee to here's the stuff you need to get into the
system and they went into the system so um at the same time what was happening but not being elaborated on again before the um District at nhr director is um the town's responsible for kis kees all
the unemployment claims all the workers comp that's there benefits Administration the payroll component so um once I started sting the chair especially on the the safety side um and kind of doing at the time I was hands on
doing the unemployment most of that work camp in the schools on the unemployment side um so kind of had to dive into understand like okay what's this this position you know the call backs how the substitutes work all that other stuff so learned more
about that and then um the additional piece with workers comp is we had a handful of um cases the last few years where they were School related and part of the disconnect was there was no one
connecting the ksk kees to the town to um timely report these things understand how to keep the school safe blah blah blah and so um part of the committee the Safety Committee uh both the principles and their Vice principles are invited to
those um and they come quarterly we I've put them in contact over the years with our Myer rep um um so there's been time to that my rep will'll go directly to the schools kind of do a walkr with them like things about fish tanks all these things these different things about
keeping the building safe um involved facilities with all of that because ultimately if something happens to those building it's on our dime and you know maybe their claim um and then um so through that so the HR manager wol up town has really connected more with the
School Employees with the District employees then a couple years ago the district got an HR director and so that was the opportunity for more partner to happen and so I they the incumbents really worked with the um District HR to
put new processes in place whether it's um so for example you know we've put into place we used to have um substitutes that would just show up at your door right any time of the day and we weren't prepared for them we didn't know what benefits they were getting any of that and so we've put a better
process into place where only certain times of the week that we'll take them um so we've put that into place things like when terminations happen on the school side getting me more involved ahead of time I'm not going to say yes or no if the person should be terminated that's more for them to decide it's
actually up to the principal to decide but ultimately any liability that ties to that is on the town right so if it's an improper termination if you didn't pay the person correctly that all falls on what the town's dime is and so kind of really just working with the schools the district to explain all that work with them and get the process together
so that's that's revved up I think it was always there but there was really no one sitting on this side to be like we got to manage that a little bit better it's costly and these are still our employees they represent the town and and we need to take care of them like we
would so is there um direct line responsibility through the schools to you or is it an advisory in what way in other words um you're responsible for the exit interview no okay no um you're responsible to make sure that the um
person's discharge is reported reported so so it it's it's not line so much as it is um consult consultive staff yeah okay and then Administration Administration right and and protection of the town's um responsibility and
assets so um okay and that's what I I I just didn't know how it interrelated it makes a lot of sense sure um and uh you know I can see why they'd have one up at the regional and you got you'd have to work hand to hand with which I'm sure there's somebody in Halifax that does it
and there's somebody in Clinton that does it or hope so uh because um you know they're all going to face those same issues so uh no that's good I didn't know that so I appreciate you telling me that okay um do you have any questions yeah just
just clarification the school has an hi director MH Regal right so what they have at the school is for Kingston Clinton cifax they take care of all three towns so the district Silver Lake District does all
the hiring for all of them okay manages their they negotiate their contracts through their different um School committees yeah which I'm actually getting more involved in now or at least K KES um
and then so once that hire happens that for kis or KES that's when this side of the house com who does that high they do silverly they make the offers they check all the references they they know the openings all of that so they basically create the the
candidate and then and the candidates they hand the candidate to you to on board to on board and and your side of the so the schools have what they need to on board and you have what you need to on board K kis and K probably does the this is how
this building works this is what your job's going to be but other get and this is how your heal that's what I mean you say this is when you get paid this is how your health insurance work got it so basically they're just doing specific School
related she's doing employee and she's doing everything else and I think the insurance piece and the workers comp piece you know I think Tina um you know blazed over a little bit I think having the school department which is you know the biggest department we have in town
be more involved and acclimated with our work as comp uh and our work and our property liability insurance um has been beneficial as well 14a being here fulltime um you know that that was really falling through falling through
the cracks and having conversations with Maya you know when we do at least annually during the renewal process I think that they found found that um there's more collaboration than there's ever been with the school department and
the town do they still have to um report incidents within a specific amount of time they should without penalty because if I recall if let's this is an arbitary number let's say if they don't if somebody fell and it didn't say and
they've said nothing for three days that if three days is the limit and that like said hypothetical member then it's going to hit our premiums so so it hits our premiums anyway but it does
late there so they've been I think they so the the short answer is yes I mean they the school department just like every Department here has to report with a time in a timely manner any issue that may be a liability of some kind an
incident of any kind any whether it be a workers compensation or prop liability damage um if if they don't do within a certain time period they there there's a risk of a fine occurring um we have not been assessed one of those fines U because I think overall everybody has
done a good job at at notifying the appropriate insurance carrier that there was some sort of a claim or I'm sorry some sort of an incid that we want to make them aware in case it looks for yeah the big part of all that involving the schools with those types of pieces
and employing terminations work comp is just the education fees you know what I mean like I I can't say that in the past the school could be faulted if they didn't know they had to do it right if nobody and no one was telling them right nobody reports them and if everybody
knows that they need to explain that to all of the employees that's the best thing but I didn't know if they were still doing it because it's it's something to it's very important yeah it is important course so if if you're getting that kind of
feedback from the schools to you excellent that's what they should be doing all right excellent thank you welcome I have a lot of question ask other than the U uh proposed name change what's the
impact there I don't have in front of me problem with you I mean we're moving the grade certainly right so go up one grade um where where where is the incumbent now uh so the the grade of the uh HR manager position
is a grade 11 the request is HR Director go to 12 and then if you're talking if you're talking MoneyWise sorry that's okay okay are you talking MoneyWise um yeah what step is the
incumbent at currently so um I think eight or just for public information so right so I think eight or n so the typical formula yeah so the typical formula for a wage and Personnel
reclassification is because they happen on July one is you take where the person would have been in their current grade Y at a cola if it's gonna happen Y and then put that number the closest step in the next grade
so with a where that put but what but to add to that because it's a promotion it's a um and the bylaw talks about reclassifications and Pro Promotions being um looked at the same there's a 5 to S per then you get put it in then you so
where is it going I didn't make recommendation for no but but but if there's a cola yeah and you're going to step it's either gonna go at nine or 10 in the next one so it'll be grade 12 step nine four yep okay
[Music] people so if you're grade 12 will be grade 12 disposition proposed okay step eight
currently eight or nine I can't remember let's put the sa bag and then say at the eight so you'd have to go um plus the five right uh so and then The Next Step Co up and then the increase of between
five and seven okay all right the incumbent at step nine in grade 11 the incumbent is currently step nine in grade 11 uh yeah that's what I just said right that's the wrong one this is
the I have cheat sheets all over the place fantastic I'm a fan all right so you're n all right all right excellent I almost brought my little calculator and I didn't he his cell phone
that's a back of the envelope calculation is all I did yeah and um it would go to a step now I agre yeah based on the BW absolutely yeah and
the and the um again public uh is uh roughly about over the step 9 in grade 11 is roughly about $1,000 right considering everything
that's happening how's the is it what's the budget for next year for the position we' have to we' have to adjust the the HR budget to reflect if we if it's approved got it okay any questions on that
position um what I'd like to do is take care of this position I I really wanted to take care The treasur Collector position before we moved on apologize all right uh only because um apologize that's all right there's nothing in our world for
that right okay it's treasure collector is not in our schedules there's nothing in it so we would have to create both positions and um based on the jqs that we looked at and so forth um and the and
the job description that one Falls in different but but let's let's take care of this one now okay and then let's go back to that one and then let's deal with the public Direction this way we're done than okay um you agree I agree okay
absolutely um so do you want the net the net difference let's talk about the net difference the net difference really is that um the incumbent would be going to step nine would get a
cola okay um so the actual difference between the two um is is more closer to about 9,000 and that I could that takes into consideration I if there was no change in
grade there'd be a $4,000 jump just to step correct all right so that that's that's hence instead of I just want to make sure we're on the same so so it's about it's between eight and nine roughly okay um I again I I don't have any other questions I mean I'm I'm all right I'm
comfortable got all the answers that I need to hear um the only challenge or the only question I had but I understand the um we talked about it the last meeting because when I was doing
the uh reclass or class um one of the issues was she had no supervisory experience or no no supervisors she doesn't report to or she doesn't report people however she's controlling and and
informing and assisting our mass of employees so even though she doesn't have reporting people she is responsible for everyone everyone so that was the
only question I had but it's I'm okay with that if Jim is okay with that I would prefer to give her a five and then no no supervision because I don't think she's qualif not qualified I don't think
we should have no uh supervisory responsibility because she's you know up here because she's responsible so that was my only thing was you okay I was okay with with the
doing a five on her oh yeah no because of the level and how many people she's responding to the position right and position the position and and and I as well am fine with that question
question for you um should we take a comment from the public if there is one sure Jean I see on there is there anything you'd like to add you have to unmute yourself no I'm just observing thank you all right just wanted to see if you
wanted to add something to the conversation thank you I appreciate that yeah thanks um then uh I would take a motion okay uh to um move that the human resources manager
position uh moves to the Human Resources Director title in our bylaw uh for FY 2026 for um at a new corresponding grade with a that would reflect a 5% increase per our
bylaw um and um the appropriate colas and it would take the position uh if I'm not mistaken from a grade 11 Step eight to a grade 12 step
nine we don't we don't put in Step okay um but a grade 11 to a grade 12 okay so that's that's a motion I'm looking to okay second the motion I agree you you make the motion oh I'm terribly
sorry I know I I should have said so moved but I didn't I'll second the motion okay and any discussion no okay lorine I'll ask for the vote lorine Yes Jim yes thank you very much okay excellent job guys Y
and Tin I give you a lot of credit for it okay no and honestly no she's the incumbent no no but in all seriousness ke we count on her a lot a lot no no question so I I mean elimination of a sorry in this in
this environment we're in it's difficult to say the least okay very very difficult but at the same time you know I was not against voting for a finance director at a high rate at the highest rate because we got the right person
same with the planning director same so I'm saying the same thing to you we got the right person okay so I'll let the incb [Laughter] know but you know I'm a firm believer
that you you and Keith I'm sure is the same there's not a lot we can do to keep the people that help us do our job okay because of the different rules and so forth I mean I remember sitting with Brad God rest of the Soul when he was doing his budget and he saved the town
$50,000 and I said Brad I would love to write you a check for five gr can't I said but what I can do is tell me what you need next year so that I can make a good argument to the fin car so that you get what you want they're going to carve
stuff back yeah but let's not it's one thing to carve back some fat it's one thing to caus back a little of meat but let's what else can we help you with and um you know whether it's right or wrong that's to me was the right thing to do um so you
know you're held in high Este okay in let me Inc comment now that we're supporting her can we go back to treasure collector and then please okay I'll put in schedu yeah
please yeah okay um so if you if P if you're okay can we go back to okay so I was when I was reading the job description of the um treasure collector
um the one thing I noticed was grade 11 and that the supervisory required would be the Town Administrator through the finance director Town account um the um so the reporting commit the reporting structure would be
this person would report to the finance director and then to you yes okay um with the finance director having a directed rep yes okay yes sir um
one quick question in this is what about policy today I was a little confused when I read um about how much impact they have on policy and the only reason I'm asking that is that you know I assume that this
person like our past elected Treasurer will make responsib will make recommendations in terms of investment account funds and so forth absolutely will there be a reporting structure then to the finance director yes approval so yes that mean so that the treasurer
collector will you make recommendations on policy or policy changes those those policies will be reviewed U and approved by by the P okay um now going back to what we
initially discussed so we want to create a treasur collector position and then we want to create a temporary collector position okay and the temporary Collective position The Establishment would be for a one-year term yes okay um with no open
to what appointed by the border selectman yes okay um there the reason I'm asking that is there's no jaq or job description of the collector I do have one I actually have both okay there
treasure collector right but I don't have collector so I I could move move tonight to appoint a treasur collector pH but then I'd like to get the information on The Collector to both of us understood so that we could formally
understood go through the same process okay um I just think it's a little more that's fine Happ to do it you know that's fine whatever you want to do okay um the the and again this treasur
Collective position is it um uh subject to any more modification from the select board or anybody else once we stick it in the B no I Tina has worked with with the incumbent or
incumbents and um have worked with with other collector treasur job descriptions commies to um to make sure that it's been it's been properly worded um if there was a need to come back to you it would be sometime a year from now with
tr modifications I think what we have uh here this evening really is is to establish the position within wage and Personnel so when we go off and recruit um next year we have a position in the existing wage and Personnel bylaw
uh that would allow us to identify uh and present the job description a compensation package when we when we look to advertise into the your candidate So currently we have the elected Treasurer and we have the
elected Collective yes sir okay um this position would not reflect at all on what they're currently doing and or currently being compensated it would be a new position that they would both be eligible to
possibly apply to okay and then the new position will have the establishment of the grade 11 um salary requirement so I apologize for being a slow guy in the conversation I'm just trying I appreciate that I'm trying to hear what you're saying it
back so I understand so right now I have an elected Treasurer and I have an elected collector there's one person doing both of those jobs right now The Collector position the term of that position expires June 30th 2025 four months which position
collector okay okay Y unless something uh unexpected occurs the POS the person who's currently working as the elected collector will become the appointed collector and we continue with the same
responsibilities they have now until June 30th 2026 at June 30 20 2026 the treasurer Position will no longer be elected the position will be filled advertised and
filled uh as a collect a treasure position so the individual who's sitting in the position now is is collecting a salary for both positions that salary is also
having an El moment is the same as within a couple of percentage points you know for cost of living adjustments as what what would we propose a year from now that person's get that POS those positions are getting paid in the uh are being paid um
in the in the grade in the grade 12 I'm sorry grade 11 um salary area now so when we when the town approved the appointment of a
collector um and we we had one person run for both positions we met with that person and we we modified the salary range to reflect a combined a combined position and um have been moving forward
in that on a temporary basis until both of those elected terms expire and can I just add that when the um compensation study happened the elected collector elected Treasurer and elected clerk went through the whole process individually and those positions were graded at a
grade 11 um and since then even though the town votes on their um salar their salaries that grade 11 has been the grade that it's based on because it's both and do they move through the steps B it's it's every year
that gets voted on so until those next if it's if it's a step two this year and it becomes step three next year then it'll go from 86 238 to 89 533 that's where well well again there's nothing that says there's nothing that says
they'll get a step right right the step technically only applies to the W of personel Well w Personnel or KT whatever the whatever's in the contct to that's right that's right yeah right um okay so I would definitely like the
collect temporary collector's position to be uh written out rated proposed salaries the whole bit that makes just a lot more sense uh treasur collector in uh now that gets to my next question
which is if the three elected positions were all basically in grade 11 yep how are we taking a combined position and leaving it in grade 11 so the way I looked at it and the way that's what I want yeah so the way I've looked at it a
few things so whenever someone comes forward with I you know I think the position should be reclassed like one of the first questions I ask is is it quantity of work that's going up or is it the caliber of work that's going up and when
we looked at the separate job descriptions and then combin them and did the the um the JQ the leveling of the work is the same what a collector is doing is the same as what a treasur is doing so Collective so
together they're doing the same caliber of work and that's already been established that's a grade 11 because of the study so I don't unless we're looking at the bigger picture of where all the positions fall if we're just going by the numbers of the JQ
then it would remain in the 11 because we it's the same caliber work it's just now there might be more of that work because you're wearing both hats so you only little difference if I could um what about Sid of Step well that's that's what I was going to say so you've got now you've got you've got a couple a
couple more people that you had than each each position had so collec a couple more people but again um reflect that reflecting in the jaq um doesn't change the story enough to bring
it to and where where did you bring did did me yeah uh oh God I was looking going why does it look wrong it's because I have the one the wrong one um get ask
question um let's see okay I came in uh pretty much 655 and where does that fall in the chart 11 and so the piece about the um size of
the staff um I it's in the category it doesn't break the category right well so so I thought you right so it's um sorry so like level three yeah that's a
staff of two to five right and so those two departments collectively have two to five so a new position is still going to have two to five I understand no listen the way I'm looking at it is I'm all for it okay okay um I I'm just making sure
that that we're at the salary level we get the right person I agree 100% okay um I don't want to have another step 10 conversation no I that's that's so so that's the reason why I'm I'm asking these question appreciate that all you
you're you're combining the positions we're going to make it an appointed position it's going to go through a pretty hefty interview process and I assume a background check multi multiple because then Cory because they're gonna be handling the town's funds so
um what will this person pick up the payroll responsibility so payroll is transitioning to the finance direct so that and that person can assign to anybody under there they could so they could possibly or keep it their office okay because I know payrolls moved
around a little bit that mean it went from treasur to HR back to treasure right right that's why I'm saying so all right so that that would be part of this this process as well okay so the only thing we're really missing is the collector's job description and the
proposed salary and the proposed J for The Collector for the collect for the temporary collector position corre okay so so can I just ask a question I don't I don't even interrupt I apologize thinking more about this is it is a temporary position like a temporary Collective position is that typically
raise person no no it's to make that was I what I was going to do honestly was establish the treasure collector position and then toss back temporary collector you guys figure out
how you want to handle ite it gets appointed it' be one thing if we were going to hire a temporary but so you follow what I'm saying in other words I wanted it off my PL because because right because I don't want to turn around and create it and then get rid of it understood okay so
um is it is it just to make sure I'm on the same page so if you want to bring it as a job and wage and Personnel do the work if you come back to us and say you know what we decided we don't need to where it's we're not the we're not the regulating body I apolog and I'm and I
was thinking through process what are the selectman G to tell you the Selman tell you put it in wage and Personnel then then I want you to come to us for a complete fair enough that's the right way to do I appreciate all right y
so I'm okay with a treasur collective position as described in grade 11 correct okay so I would make a motion okay or or describe a motion that you can say so
move that that we create a treasure Collective position okay in the bylaw in grade 11 schedule a right schedule a yeah in in in grade 11 as of FY 26 so moved okay
um any more discussion question go ahead um if let me about this we have we have Town Treasurer Town collector not necessarily on schedule a because what I what I found it's not on the schedule a
and uh the assistant but the assistant Treasurer right is that's a position and that's a position so we're not talking about the uh collector Treasurer that's uh currently in um so there's there's
two positions there's an assistant yeah Treasurer and that's an exempt position that's in waging Personnel yep and then there's an assistant collector which is a non-exempt position and that's currently in
KT okay excellent okay awesome thank you okay so uh I'll ask then for the vote on the motion uh to establish a treasure collector position in the W Personnel bylaw in grade 11 schedule
a yes Jim yes all right so we have this we did do the treasure col sorry I appreciate I like it better it's just a little more just way we can go she can go back to each part of the meeting and
if there's a problem so the last piece the last is the Public Works director yeah that's a headache you have no idea no no more no uh no I just I keep reading it and
reading it and going okay okay okay um because you know again I have question that's okay well first of all why don't we if you don't mind indulge explain the position what do you see that so I see
the Public Works director position overseeing the existing Street trees of parks um Building Maintenance facilities facilities is okay um having direct oversight uh of
Staffing uh for water and sewer um and working working with the water and sewer Commissioners to establish policy um establish you know guidelines and then having the Public
Works director um over be having the overall responsibility of operating the water and sewer departments as well as the Departments that currently operate um the Water and Sewer Commission would be as I mentioned would be policy setting
boards would not be responsible for um the the hiring of the Public Works director or any of the staff in water and sewer um the Public Works director would work as I mentioned with the Water and Sewer Commission to
identify projects uh utility needs both long shortterm and long term um and I think most importantly uh work to plan um improvements that that may impact all
three of those departments uh uh collaboratively rather than um we're digging up the street this day you guys just come out this day regardless of what else you do yeah so you know again it's a it's a it's a it's
it's been a little sensitive frankly uh you know the water s Commissioners have put a lot of time and effort into uh and I'm not trying to you know again during this process it's got nothing to do with um what they have or have it done it's it's it's trying to become more
efficient and effective in operating and addressing the needs of the community and um so so I in my travel what I do I'm in a lot Highway departments in DPW
sure so I was in um South in Dart and uh I happened this ask the guy what's the advantage and he said well he goes first Advantage is that snowplowing I the whole crew can now
plow snow okay um if if if it meets contracts if it meets but but in other words the those those agreements would not be done unless it was with the understanding
that there was an umbrella right and that umbrella could cohesively work together as as Keith said on projects that um a director could make more sense of from the standpoint of execution because of assets and so forth and
moving those assets into place um grants was another one that they brought up so uh again I I'm friendly with them understanding so I just I just picked his brain because I said I don't understand why they want to do it but tell me what the advantages is so when I
heard those two things um I said H makes sense so then I said what's your Public Works director how qualify and uh Reverend was the best word I could use in other words this
person had with basically an engineering background if not an a licensed engineer uh had had the ability to also be cross- licensed through water and sore or come out of that world um so um just a wealth
of knowledge reporting too so ultimate response reporting to you um the Town Administrator the Inc I was gonna say that I was gonna say that no no and and
I think it's important because you know I I haven't watched study committees I haven't watched any of that type of stuff and and um I think this is a position that again borrowing that that uh cliche I use
build a bicycle as you ride it because I think this position is been more evolv yeah absolutely okay um but I do think that the overall My overall understanding of it is that this person is the type of person that can bring now currently separate assets together in a
more focused way to do what's best for the town yeah you know again I I agree with what you said completely and and just to maybe expand upon that a little bit I'll give you an example last this past weekend at a storm right um transfer station your transfer station's
closed why is the transfer station closed because I I had to grab I had employee uh three or four employees over stre par yeah that had plans for plans they wer they can't be mandated to come
in and work overtime in winter so we we pulled transort station employees I've got uh some water employees that are willing to come in and work y um frankly I even had the water superintendent say he committ to work uh which was incredibly generous of him sure uh we
asked the SE SE superintendent he just was wasn't available or he would have um some of the sewer staff aren't as willing to come in and work um um during a snow plow event like like occurred this weekend so you know to your point I don't have to deal with that anymore or
I should say the public works department do not to deal with anymore we've got a a plethora of of employees and then when we need to pull somebody because of a sick time a sick day or a vacation day what have you we can do that um you know working uh collaboratively on a project
so to your point earlier you know where we we're going to make repairs to this road is there water there is there sewer there uh if there is do we need to make accommodations for those two departments to make sure that we're digging the RO at once and we're doing as one
contractor one engineering firm um and one project manager um so to me it it I think it it takes into consideration the the ability to just have overall responsibility of all the
staff and equipment that the town of Kingston owns to do a specific type of job which we don't have that now um and because because we are now an NBTA community and grants become much more
prevalent to communities like Kingston who is an NBTA Community we want to have somebody in place who understands the bigger picture of you know we can apply for a grant for um you know streets uh safe roots to schools or or a variety of
different grants that are out there oh by the way when we when we look to potentially reconstruct Main street because there water and sewer underne Main Street I'm not worried about what's above and only what's above I'm also looking at you know what's below that roadway so we can make whatever improvements need to occur
um as one large project and potentially apply for be and receive grants to do you know the work under the road as well as the work on the road so um you know it's it's like it's it's like a lot of different things it's it's that that the
this idea just is an involvement of um modernizing you know the public works department to to to work as in unison with each other um the position is going to be somebody who is going to have an
advanced degree or or you know a PE license uh be able to read plans be able to potentially engineer plans um so some of the some of the work that's occurring now that we're having to pay Consultants to to do for us are may not need to be done anymore with the help of a
consultant we've got a public works director who can you know comment on or or oversee and review some of the design work that's being done now by an outside company so you know we're I'm proposing uh for consideration of the wage of
personnel committee to have this position being a grade 14 same POS same grade as a police insired Chiefs um this position will I think be as important to this community has those two positions and have the responsibilities uh that are consistent
with those two positions so um in the in the streets Tre and Park's budget for fiscal 26 I've included uh an additional $35,000 which is what I anticipate being the need to fill that position if it were to be approved a town meeting um
the the study committee I guess I'd call it that we haven't met for probably almost a month now some of it's just frankly because of my schedule because I'm out two nights a week and and just have lot of availability I'd like to have another meeting if I can sometime next week with them really it's at the
point now in my handle opinion where that Committee just needs to vote whether or not they support public workr to this is um I think I think overall the majority of the people probably do um see they see a benefit of it um it would then go um obviously if this if
this group uh supports the position being wage and personnel and uh we'd have to we'd have some uh some bylaw changes that we have to bring forward town meeting um that would need to get approved um as part of the reorganization and if everything were to
be approved it' be effective July 1 one of the questions I had for you was when do they anticipate the final report and recommendation on this committee so I would hope that we would have that report to the board of select in the first meeting and first I would
hope the first worst case second meeting in March and where did the uh Lorraine the jhq score um depended on who uh the jaq came in at a 770 G14 so right at right
at 14 right at uh grade 14 yeah and um the only question I differed on on the classification was uh bodily harm that was my
I did not give as many points until I really looked at it again and then we were referring to bily Har to me that just notches things up again you know you're talking about Tren diggers and seers and you know that the the
likelihood of a body injury it's there you I'm not saying it's hard but it's they won't be they probably won't be in the hole they could be standing above the hole looking the or something happened in the hole thats them standing above it so um they
certainly aren't going to have the the risk of the guys that are the ones uh in the hole but but there's risk there certainly where would this person physically sit I would assume they sit over stre parks at this point and periodically out on the road
because well they'll be on the road a lot especially you know during the construction seon yeah okay um but um at this particular time probably over at Street par okay so that was good um okay
I hopefully first or a second just a sure observation is and again you know I it has nothing as it relates to but um I personally would if I was Keith elevated
a little bit more and put it under the house I I've thought about you know I thought about um putting it place in here um we do have an open Office upstairs um that's available um we'd like to everything goes according to
plan we'd like to shuffle some offices down here so the collector treasur is in one spot rather some upstairs with some downstairs um I completely understand what you're telling me and and it's not hard hard uh it's only my only reason is
is that um you know after I did a little homework yeah um it really is important that the position is um created off the first step correctly and um presented
correctly and executed in a correct way um because of the fact that you're going to morph what currently is out there into something I think if you want to do my
advice for whatever it's worth absolutely I would turn around and make sure that I would change everything so that everybody understood that this position is a position fair enough that makes a lot of sense I had thought about that way you know it's just because um the uh
uh I I think honestly it's a good move personally um I think it makes a lot of sense it gives the town a lot of flexibility and coordination and the the fact is that we're not just dropping a water line on side street like we did 10
years ago okay the every project is kind of major can um like you said with the U the Consultants that we have to hire and bring in um the outside engineering firms that we have to hire and bring in
and nothing we have good people there's nothing against our people our people are good people sure it's just that the requirements to maintain the grant requirements to maintain everything correctly re requirement to work on the state road it needs a I'm in favor of a
little higher caliber person um and uh and I think somebody with that background that you're talking about in terms of education but um you know I like the idea I'd like to see it happen I'm I'm in favor of putting a
placeholder in place called DPW director and and with with inte a great 14 and say you know now take the subcommittee's recommendations the select recommendations your recommendations and
put together a you know something that that that that takes all the pieces of the different departments puts them together and the the the the one is better than the name yeah I agree I that's exactly what we're trying to do I think we've got the pieces we have in
place now are are really really good pieces um if we can bring somebody into kind of be the uh orchestrator of the and oversee the entire the entire organization that part of the organization um I think it be a better
can and and I and I think one of the key jobs or or duties of this person that I would suggest you add to this description is um uh someone who can coordinate closely
with sorry coordinate closely with the county yes okay in in especially there are certain um uh assets that towns they're getting expensive very expensive okay um
you know you want to buy possibly a new vac truck well Kingston needs a v truck for three months of a year Duxbury needs one andon needs one a car question about somebody who's in that position who could work closely with the County
Commissioners to establish some sort of a lending Co-op program okay on some of these larger assets absolutely uh we take the cost and spread it over much many more people question so um so that's
one job idea that I would add to that position it's not your job understood it's because you know you don't know that they need a D3 oh yeah okay he does that's right okay and he knows that the guy in Clinton or the guy in Carver has
and now how much is it going to cost and who can coordinate all that question okay so I see that and the same thing with sewer and water you know there's there's capacity for certain things here that maybe we could transact into
something in in a neighboring town I agree but I think it needs to be done with someone of that kind of vision I agree yeah y absolutely right so um I would make a motion if you want to possibly move it that we approve the DPW
director um as a uh that would be schedule a Jen in schedule a um at a grade 14 to be created beginning uh and brought to town meeting as a new position for FY 26 so mov okay any more
discussion no anybody else no thank you for consideration second yeah I'll second it Lorraine yes and Jim yes okay sorry to put your through these are important decisions I'm happy to come in
and director of Public Works or Public Works Public Works director is the title on the job description okay yeah yeah yeah okay all right um
I'll just move on but before you leave I I do have a quick question or maybe T but um I'm going to skip to two and then after that that's up to you whatever you want to do so um yeah what the status of the email
from Tina Betty human resource manager dated uh August 21 2024 regarding cost of living adjustment for FY 26 so 25 is in the books yes okay 26 what's the proposal 2% is that in following with
the contracts that are currently out there with the exception of schools yes sir okay um and that is the final year of the contract yes sir okay um is that built into the budget it is okay um I I again I know I'm not
supposed to ask some of that stuff but you can ask anything you want but I you know it is our me whatever you want okay so um so I guess what I would do is uh take a motion um for discussion line yes to
uh approve the cola the cost of living adjustment for wage and Personnel employees for FY 26 at 2% so move okay any discussion anden okay and again I think it's um the fact that we typically try to stay with the contracts from the
standpoint of fairness um I we don't have to but I don't think it would be the right thing to do even under this trying environment um so uh yeah um I'll call for the vote L yes Jim yes thank you okay all right so that's for all the
schedules correct okay so do we have to deal with C3 except for there's no col on that okay so wait since the 2% is in the budget then the cost of the wage Personnel article it's a separate
budget we don't have to keep the 2% in there if it's in the budgets already so the contracts have the 2% in the budget already you guys have to put the so so the budget will have to be adjusted for the V just passed so we'll have to get
the have yeah wage and Personnel but it's it's a separate I understand I plugg it into the operator you have noise no yeah no surprise okay it's just the one counil position so do we do
we need to address it number three dated email from Sue Woodworth dated November 27th Parks and Recreation director regarding changes to schedule C1 and schedule C3 for FY 26 it's just that
one Council position no change just that one thanks guys appreciate all right thank you thank you you're an excellent incumbent she's not talking about me she talking herself talking about the
Inc you're an excellent incumbent for a TI wait okay so when would you need the material hand up for to um you know yet
100% April 1 my birday is that reasonable yeah soil I mean Tom meeting is 26 I think of April I mean first week you know first week and a half of April I mean I don't know what all right so
there are no language changes so we just see the schedule right yeah yeah that those would go on schedule a so you don't have to do anything in track changes it's it would be too confusing what about the
acknowledgement oh yeah come that so as far as I guess what I'm trying to figure out here is I based on what I'm seeing if we're going to adjust uh schedule a b c um C1 C2
C3 um and we're going do we really have to carve out the uh the uh counselor at uh $15.53 I would you know doesn't want the minimum can I make a recommendation yeah
please can you just instead of having a dollar amount can you just put minimum wage as the wording and so going forward if minimum wage changes it's automatically part of it for that for that position that's the language that she's using wage requirement she's she's
she's not talking about keep 15 something she's saying right but in the in schedule it's $15 it has 1553 whatever it is oh 1553 I'm so confused I'm looking at it right now it's 15 remember remember it
got increased oh you're right I'm sorry you're right I'm sorry so right so I don't think you can do that now no so the question is so what I'm saying is um a motion would be to um
adjust all the schedules for the proper um colar adjustment with the exception of schedule C3 counselor instructor at 1553 per hour and the minimums because Sue asked that the minimums remain the
same what schedule C3 yep she wants all the minimums to stay the same right ma increase the max maximum yeah and I'm fine with that all right so you know what let's so I can fix the motion so that it just relates to C3 yeah and it
relates to the counselor instructor at 1553 for right so that would remain the same Y and then just the maximum would reflect the right okay I'm fine with that so you can construct it
are you okay with that as a it makes sense move the motion um the motion okay wait didn't you already vote on the co we did that's what we did I that's why I asked we need to do anything about three but we have
that one exception so I'm just taking care of the exception the exception shouldn't I make that part of the other motion you certainly could and then it would be easier yes I would do that all right I would accept that friendly Amendment yes and I have absolutely no a
okay so I I would I would then um I'll fix it okay yeah I would then adjust the motion for the cola to reflect a non-ca for counselor instructor in schedule C3 and the minimum rates in schedule C3
and the minimum rates in schedule C3 would be as they are currently in the by oh here it is okay so that's the adjusted friendly and motion so move so move okay I'll second
yes line Jennifer can you send me the wording for that motion so I can send it to yeah let him look yeah okay that way it happen sometimes yeah that all right so we uh we I'm just going to go back
down and come back to the receipt okay um Tina we took care of the reclassification uh for Human Resource Management human resource director we took care of the Town Treasurer and we took care of the Public Works director uh so that brings us back to review draft of bylaw acknowledgement of
receipt form for FY 26 was discussion item number one I saw um the revised form um I didn't have any issue with it um but I know it was revised based on a suggestion that Tina made so my question
to Tina is are you okay with it yeah it's fine okay so that that's that was only question I had R did you have any questions no none at all they were clear was I I had the line go all the way over to the left that second line but then it
kind of Blended in so that's why I put it under as long as space identify yeah yeah okay all right so I would ask um that we uh that the wage and Personnel Board uh accept the um byw
acknowledgement receip form for FY 26 as written so moved um I'll call that role line yeah Jim yes okay so now uh review the minutes from January
27 2025 what about my update it was just the last thing I good it's all good and then I'd come back so I I mean last time I didn't have anything and I want you to that's every time all right so the minutes of January the 27th I uh read those as well did not
have any problem do you have an issue there was there was a sentence that just disappeared um there's a missing words in the b i HR
position all right so we need to go to uh I need my glasses it was the what happened was it was like the yeah it was cut job description right so I'm just trying to figure out in the
minutes um cut off a sentence was cut off in the job description for the um admin assistant HR she there was a sentence in the minutes I think it wasn't addressed in the minutes is that what you're
getting it I don't read the minutes so I I I put words missing words missing yes right and those were the words that there were did you want me to at first I had end of sentence and then I changed it to yeah because it was the end of a sentence that had just cut boom right in
the middle of it all right so so you want the minut change to say end of sentence no no no what do you want to no leave it be uh can we just pass on the minutes and because to make sure that I'm properly addressing where the missing words were because I don't have
the job description with me right now they were at the end of a sentence yes so in when I did the draft of the minutes first I put in end of sentence and then I read it again I was like well maybe I'll just put missing words but are you saying in the
minutes you'd rather have the end of the sentence no I just I just want the sentence where it should be right but right I I'll update the job as but in the minutes you don't want the specific I don't think it was identified specifically in the minutes I just have
the notes that I was wor I was missing um wait let me see what I I have Lorraine Bia noticed words missing in the job description under accountability and Miss Betty will check on that okay
is that all right for the minut that's great yeah you're okay with it yeah okay because it's identified we'll fix it here we go yeah yeah yeah but I but just let you know I did put end of sentence and I was like well I'll kind of doesn't
make sense though in a sort of kind of way but thank you very much no apprciate a motion on the floor so the minutes are so the motion is on the floor to approve the minutes um and uh as written as written so I will ask for a vote
lorine Yes Jim yes okay so now let's go back and do H Tina's update so exitting sorry Tina no it's okay it's really not much again it's discretion of the chair to take sorry the last two meetings and took control
you know people just change the I can just change the order um so uh the Vets agent and the RN both started last week the
um director of Elder Affairs is going to be appointed tomorrow and starting Wednesday it's the current intrum and as such the there will be a posting at some point for the assistant director of Elder feris to be twisted okay that's
it oh is the assistant going to the director yeah she's the oh nelli I lik her I've dealt with her before yeah yeah I met her so the assistant I met her uh
last week oh at the your Center that's right because you're old now wow I didn't really I'm like go with you guys you can go to any any Council on Aging somebody told me that really really oh yeah there are people there are people
that go from town to town yes because they have different events so when you guys go I could go yes you can come and make you know make friends and and uh I I I learned that when I was talking to somebody at the at the club and and she
goes to Duxbury for C road trips yes yeah she likes the road trips and I went oh I don't live in Duxbury she said you don't need no and I went I did not know that that's right yeah so you learn yep you think you can go to anyone you can
go to like I can go to the one in line metal where my sister-in-law is they have an inside track do you are you a member of the the Council on Aging all you have to do is sign your name that's pretty much very straight well I signed up in yth yeah I mean I don't
know if I'm you should ask Holly absolutely give were those you're an employee because you are an employee that's true but they they um they give you a key fub yes and the key fub is
scanable uh so the other counsel agent may use that to grab your data at the at the desk little little you know I know you really had to register so this is something you need to register I just called I just said I I need a card and
they sign me up and I have this like the the uh struct thing it's the same thing for the Kingston you know the councel on agent you walk in you go hi how you doing right Mak sense that tracking dat using it
Longs it's a great tool to be able to to tell them what people are using and and you sign in and you click on whatever thing you're doing yeah Tai Chi or the movies or something like that wow yes
very high tech oh wow it's a a a really good asset in so um the uh you know I would encourage all seniors to use it um
because uh they really go out of their way to make a make you feel wel and B uh to let you know what programs they have available so um they need the socialization especially when you're into higher 70s and
80s has he um looked it all into um using the veterans agents shine U qualifications over at the senior center I know that the that trans agent has been to the senior center so maybe they're talking about it amongst
themselves I know they have a shrine person over there they do have a shine person it's just that what I was trying to do when uh we had our meeting was to take advantage of her ability and however the funding was done to get the
funding to come to the town yeah or that person you know keep it local nothing wrong with the other the other person was fine okay the other person was great I mean I don't know if you pay for that the state does and um there there's some sort of a
mechanism that is and I asked keep to look into it at our meeting when we decided veterans agent and um because to me it was a way of of getting that person you know it goes back to the other if you if these people are good
and you want to keep them yeah let's fine ways to find the money yeah find the money read the minutes I put them online and you'll see what Keith is going to check right so I just didn't know if he had mentioned anything that's was there
anything else T no okay well thank you for the update thank you all right um is there anything else on the agenda that skip around all right so the date of the next meeting
is back to the so I could do a draft correct yes I could even schedu the correct that's all I wanted to say actually there's nothing left if you could have those for us for the March
17th meeting and have it on the agenda but to look at as an action item would be a very good thing you're done I was just thinking that there were no there was no language um there are no well Tina is
right we have the form that's the only thing and then for meting it would just be thees right the schedules and adding two positions and the The Collector position let them deal with right since it's a
temporary yes all right so they would all be um full-time exempt in the not the um not the reclass for the admin assistant the board talking the two new position
the directors so the director Public Works yes and treasure collector yes and then I'll see if I can I'll ask you about the group I well the point I'm trying to make is that March 17 should be a meeting where we try to wrap up as much as we can so that that you know you
got plenty of time get whatever it has to be done okay and that that we're perusing it on the on the 17th and then there may be something before us between okay okay but I I think it's important that we frame it out that the idea of
the 17th is to get ourselves prepared to get our first pass at town meeting yes because then our schedules we need to go to the finance sure need the sches to do the only thing we really want to give it some thought to is making sure that we
have the uh Public Works director uh recommendations from the commit first and again I think that'll be part of the update of mar yeah okay yeah hopefully they can come in with with their um recommendations and stuff prior
to that because I think if we did it Opposite that wouldn't be no no I think I I think honestly it goes back to our discussion in November when we asked them to have it done yeah yeah in January remember that yeah so they won in February we said January and they got
you in December uh and and honestly um it it it did give me honestly a little time to do my own homework sure yeah um you have an opportunity to see people that we don't normally see well it it's thank God because um I'll take anything I just
wanted to hear and and I don't have all the aners on it and I didn't talk to 25 people but I I just happen to sit with um those people and ask the question and the by the way these were um employees
these were not this was not the public works okay the the work ofes well or or the foran yep okay and they were they were very um uh aware of what the person did and they were also very aware how it
helped all the jobs that they had to do and by the way they're much bigger yeah I mean they they have a college in town which was um dmouth theyouth so so they have they have a lot of uh big increase in population in the
summer uh they take care of bridges uh that are uh uh uh moving Bridges working bridges yeah railroad uh yeah shut over the harbor so there excuse me so if
Keith is saying that the committee should have a recommendation to the board of Selectmen by Tuesday the 25th by the 17th is that you're saying he said either the first or second meeting he said the second second meeting is the 25th the
first one is the 11th so the 11th is probably kind of quick I mean but they are they they're not doing anything yeah I don't know where they're at so yeah he said they hav't been able to connect SEL the second meeting oh that's when you're you're supposed to present your
recommendations in right isn't it March 21th maybe well we've already personel to present by recommendations we did our job as far as as far as taking getting you the placeholder yeah I think now what the
study group has to do is fin but not not anything you guys need to do to move forward but that's how it's understanding what there's no reason that they're waiting on us yeah or you're waiting on them I think I think you said it was a scheduling uh challenge uh for for the
the committee into all right so if we meet the 17th and if you really need to go meet with on the 25th that would give you time right yes all right give it a hit okay is there anything else for the bus Group
good luck with our budget I know gosh it's easy peasy they'll be difficult I know give Carl my best um any else for the good of the group uh no we're all set M May uh March
17th is uh the next meeting I'll take a motion to adj at 7:34 so moved uh I'll second it Lorraine yes Jim yes okay okay thank you