Okay, seeing that it's uh 5:30, I'm going to call the uh wage and personnel meeting to order. Monday, June 22nd at 5:30 p.m. Um we have uh uh one item on the agenda. Um Scott Lamb icon
administrator is present. Uh Tina um our um director of human resources is present. Lorraine is present and I'm president as well as Jennifer our secretary. Um the meeting is being recorded by Zoom. Anyone intending to make audio video recording of the meeting should notify the chair at this
time. We don't have anybody that wants to come in. >> No. >> Okay. Items can be taken out of order at the discretion of the chair. So the first item is um an appointment. It's our town administrator Scott Lindy to discuss the salary of the appointed town
treasurer collector hire above step three at grade 11 at step seven at an annual salary of 106 044. Floor is yours. >> So I guess and I'll defer to Tina but because this is beyond a step three yeah
>> we are required to come to this board. Um that's what is in the budget though and and I do think that the 106 is more appropriate for this position. So that's why we're here. >> Um the history of the step three was it
was step one at one point. Uh Tina and Keith were here. We actually had a meeting and moved it to step three to give them more tools in the toolbox. Um the uh um but again this this job market you guys are on the receiving end of it
know it. So um the uh so as far as is setting the stage we're just deciding whether a step seven is required for this position given an applicant with X
uh uh recommendations, accommodations, experience so forth. So, um, this is an appointed position from the selectment. It's not our position. So, we're not appro approving an applicant. Okay. All we're doing is the position. So, I just
want to be clear on that. So, um, Tina, anything to add? >> No. No. Following the process. >> Yep. Um, anything on your side? >> Um, I do have a question. I know that it's not uh an an evaluation of an appointment, but I think I would have
preferred to have had um some backup information for the um interim treasurer collector uh before 3:30 this afternoon. I mean, >> I can't speak about is this man
qualified for that level because I haven't seen any of it. >> Sure. I mean, but again, >> and that's not a criticism of anybody. It's not. >> No, it and again, that's one of the reasons why I wanted to say what I said about the position. Yeah. Okay. Um because she didn't get it. She didn't
get it. I got it. And I said, "Did you get Tina's email?" >> And they got it. They got it, but they haven't opened it. They haven't seen their email. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> He got He did not get your email. He just got it.
>> No, it it came It came up my computer. it just didn't come to my phone, so I had to forward it over. But I did see it at 4:30. >> And um but then again, I I said to myself, I want to be careful because this really is a selectman appointed position. >> Yeah. >> Um you know, what we're basically saying
is just like with the finance director, at least I'm going to speak for myself and then you can speak for yourself, but as far as finance, I believe it's important to get the right person, important to get the pay the right salary. And because the idea when I voted for this as a resident was to open
the field up to more than just elected positions so that we could get the best possible candidate. >> So um so again I don't have any problem with the uh request being at a step seven. Um I'm sure there's a possibility
they could come back depending if what happens with candidates and so forth at even higher if that's the case they come back and we have another meeting about it. You may you won't be here. >> I will be there in spirit. >> Okay. >> Um because well, Lorraine's leaving the board. Yeah. >> You know, uh on the first and she was
kind enough to come in tonight because >> I do appreciate that by the way. >> Yeah. >> Very much. >> Yeah. >> Another meeting. >> So, >> we won't talk about it. >> But this way, if as if this go and my understanding is this goes to the selectment tomorrow night, it's clean.
Yeah. >> That's that's what I was trying to do. >> Yeah. So, um, anything else on your side? >> No, she does mention in her email that she's, uh, comparing some of the positions to other higher department heads. >> Uh, and in her explanation, uh, she
feels that the step seven is valid. >> Okay. I, one question I have, >> is the candidate that you're going to get going to also be eligible for a stipen based on Mass General Law section 108P? meaning that if they pass the uh
treasurer collector's courses, they're allowed 10% of salary and or a $1,000 stipen. >> They're allowed it, but we don't do that here. >> Um we'll take a look at the law again. >> Okay. I mean, none of the past ones have ever gotten it.
>> Okay. Um >> and it would have to be in the bylaw for >> Is it Is it different because it's appointed position now? It's yeah it's um any city, town or district that accepts this section. A collector or treasurer who has completed the necessary course
of study and training and has been awarded a certificate by the Massachusetts Collector and Treasury Association as a certified mass municipal collector or a certified municipal treasurer or a certified district treasurer shall receive shall receive >> shall >> compensation. So that's why I said would
you please check the law because >> I'm not opposed to it. I'm not opposed to it either >> to change something then I guess we would >> you might work >> you know budget wise so that that's the only reason why I bring it up is that if we think it's just going to be X it's
really I think X plus a possible >> Y um and what would the amount and would we have to put that >> by 10% amount equal to 10% of such regular annual con compensation but not more than $1,000 per year. >> Okay. Not it's not a big deal but
>> I just want you to be aware of it. >> Yeah. So the question is is certification required? >> That was what my next question. Are you guys requiring certification for this position? >> Yes. Um >> within a certain time frame. >> Yeah. You have to get it within a certain time frame.
>> Yeah. Usually um I think some of the job listings that I saw were giving them up to four years to get it. It's generally >> it takes four years to the class done it
>> uh I've done well actually six years because regular trader or collector >> certification or ability to obtain certification as a master 18 months >> 18 months >> okay so um I just again just wanted you
to be aware of it um it's just talking about the position that's and again the the whole idea as I said before was so that the um pool would be expanded from an elected pool. Um but uh I didn't know if that was part of it. So we are asking for
certification. So the other question I had was that um uh annual salary is like right there in the middle right at least from what I researched. >> Right. So the the the up the follow-up
question is uh certification. Um is it something that the uh applicant pays for? Is the town paying for this person to be um certified? And if that's the case, then the cost of the compensation
includes training and and certification. So who's paying for the certification >> to attend the classes and the um >> yeah to to to do what he has to do to become certified. The town's paid that over the years. >> The town paid. Yeah. Okay.
>> So, how much do you know how much that is? I know I'm I'm not I'm I don't mean to be digging into the budget. I'm just curious to see what's the overall cost for this employee to come in. But if you don't know, then you don't know. That's okay. Thank you.
>> I don't know how much those courses are. >> Let's see. It doesn't say. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't say. It just says salary survey. No, doesn't say. Sorry. Wish I had it for you guys. I didn't go that far. >> No, that's okay. >> Sorry about that. Just just a question
because then the the the >> By the way, it is prorated the 12-month period that they're not certified. So, in other words, if they get certified in October, you pay October, November, December. >> Yeah. >> Typically, our um our stipens for
certifications happen at the first pay period of the year. So if you get it in the middle of the year, you're not getting it until the following year. >> Okay. This law specifically says you prorate it. Just so you again look at it. >> What's the 108P?
>> 108 P is in Peter. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> And it's titled additional compensation for collectors or treasurers. And again, I if I'm missing something, I'm sure you'll but I just want you to be aware of it. That's all. >> And if we're requiring it, then that's
great. If it's a requirement then the question is answered asked and answered >> and I don't have a problem. >> Any other questions? >> No. >> Okay. Anything? No. Uh anything over there? >> Do we want to talk about the vacation
time? >> So the person we're going to make the um person we want to hire because they were in the elected positions for five years. um we'd like to bring them in at the
5year vacation mark, which is three weeks at their 5-year anniversary. In the past, we've had at least one volunteer or not volunteer, sorry, one um um grant position that has turned in
that person then went for wage and personnel position and that wasn't allowed for that. Um, but we would like to just like the last time, we'd like to make that request here. >> Again, I'm just going to speak for myself. Um,
I don't have a problem with management positions in the town being handled similar to a management position in private industry. And you would do that in private industry um, as needed. Um, again, you you're looking for someone specifically qualified, okay? and you
don't want quite frankly have the wrong person. >> Sure. >> So I don't have any problem with giving them that latitude in the position. Um again it's subject to the selectment appointment. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So um so if I think we're just being
asked about the salary. >> Yeah. >> And as far as the vacation I think that would be a selectman's decision. >> Well if they're going to approve the >> especially if we don't have any objection to it. >> Yeah. if they have if they're going to
approve the compensation by all rationale they should also consider and approve or disapprove benefits >> but and what I'm saying though is that we're just being asked to step seven
>> except >> when this has been brought up in the past >> the vacation part was brought up and you guys had decided >> on a different position and I believe on a different level position Right. This is this is even one more above that in
as far as I believe >> grade is a great lower. >> I I'd want to hear what the administrator says. >> Sure. >> And I because you're the guy trying to hire. >> Yeah. So, >> well, I I I feel it's appropriate. And if it was a
>> we were doing a contract with the negotiator. >> I would negotiate it and I would and I would feel it was appropriate for someone with that kind of experience. If this outside person who had that many years of experience coming over and we were trying to get them and make that
happen, I would absolutely bring them in at that. And and again, I I think as far as it relates to this position, Tina, I would um my position would be to not object it. Not vote it, just not object to it.
>> Okay. >> Um >> and neither do I. I have no objection to >> And again, the idea is leaving latitude. >> Yes. >> To you know, that's the problem. You don't want to go to a gunfight with a knife. >> All right. I mean, that's what it boils down to. You want to be able to, if you
got the right person, you want to hire them, you have the tools to hire them. I I agree. Not spend money for the sake of spending money, please. I'm not advocating that, but and I and and I would I would also revisit that idea
with maybe because the market's changed. You've made it a really good point of presenting that to us in several occasions. So I'm I would reconsider that then on whatever future one that we're going to talk about if you know that it could happen. >> Um so you know I don't think
everything's hardcore stamped never change and I think you have to kind of reflect what's happening in the marketplace as well. So um any any other questions? >> Yeah. >> All right. Um then
I'll suggest a motion. >> Um I Okay. I move to um bring in at step seven grade 11 for fiscal 27 $1,6,044 uh to the um
applicant Ken Moali to appointed treasurer collector position. >> Okay. I again would like to make a friendly amendment. >> No, go right ahead. >> Take Ken Malawi out of it. >> Okay. >> I would like to approve >> as a treasurer collector. >> Treasury collector the salary position
at grade 11 step seven as presented. >> Um and uh then leave it to the select. >> Correct. Okay. I uh so move. >> Okay. Uh any other questions? >> Nothing. Okay. Uh I'll call the role. Lorraine. >> Yes.
>> Jim. Yes. That's it, guys. >> That was real easy, Ken. >> Take a motion. >> Yeah, thanks for talking. >> Yeah, I'll take a motion. Uh, >> sorry. >> Any other business before I do close? >> Okay, I'll take a motion to return.
>> I move to uh >> Okay, >> I second the motion. I'll call the role. Lorraine. >> Yes. Jim, yes. Lorraine, thank you for your Thank you very much.