Okay, we can open up the uh August 5th sewer commissioners meeting. Um Elaine I, Bill Watson, I Ryan Dono I. Okay. And then we can um make a motion to go into our public hearing that's been continued since uh June 26th.
Second that. All in favor? Call Elaine. I Bill I Brian Donai. Okay. So what we did was um had the updates to pages 29 and 30 specifically articles 6.2
equivalent residential unit determination and article 6.3 betterment pay payments as well as pages 32 and 33. Article 7.5 equivalent residential unit determination and article 7.6 sewer
connection fees. Uh both those address the um three categories as well as the allocation of betterments and connection fees to
bedroom counts for phase one and phase two only and the uh term of any uh debt with the town was changed from 30 years to 20 years. So those are the two changes
duplicate duplicated from the betterment to the connection fees. Do we vote on these now or do we adjourn the public hearing and then vote on these? Uh we would adjourn the public hearing and then it would come back to the board. Okay.
Um so um there's no public in attendance. Nobody's online. So we can um adjourn. Well, we can bring back the public hearing to us for discussion and then
adjourn after our votes. Don't you have to do a motion to close the hearing if we close this? Yeah. Just a point of order. I just And then we come back. Why can't we vote these the public hearing is this is our third attenuation of the public hearing
after all of our I'm asking I'm not saying this is right but after we've done this third time and re third iteration vote within the public hearing that this is our final determination based on just vote it right now
procedurally we close the public hearing because the public hearing allows the public to speak there some someone want to speak against hang in these close before we close the hearing. No, I get that, but there's nobody here. So, so procedurally, I'll shut up. I'm stop.
I'll take a motion to close the public hearing. I'll make the motion to close the public hearing. I'll second that. All in favor? I I So now, uh, back to the board for discussion. Any discussion on the changes? No. I think this is we've done
a lot of a lot of effort. We put a lot of thought into it, and I think we're where we want to be. Okay. A motion. I'll make a motion to accept the changes, final changes as amended in the uh I'll second that. All in favor? I I
Okay. So, we can adjourn make a motion to adjourn the public hearing. Right. Okay. I'll make that motion to adjourn the public hearing. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. So, we're our rules and
regulations and all our fees and charges have been established and we closed all that up. Okay. Great. And those those are effective. Um the next building cycle. Yes. Yeah. Well, the betterments and all
that is effective now the fees. Yes, the fees are effective at the next building. Thank you. We just end they just took the last meeting reading last week on the 30 31. So it's so we could theoretically put it on this next bill.
Yeah. It'll be on the next bill I really active as private. Yeah. Okay. Um and then well more than that because it goes back for the the whole quarter. Yes. We I think the language was to have
it at the next bill next quarterly billing, right? Which which starting now like I said on the first they they took they should have taken the readings on the 31st last they should have the bills to um
through Friday the 10th of the 11th of August. Okay. They already started running. Okay. Okay. So we made all the deadlines we needed. Okay. Um, then we have the draft public hearing meeting minutes for uh July 8th.
Great. I'll make a motion to accept the minutes of July 8, 2025. Second. All in favor? I. Yay. We go into our uh regular agenda items. We have commitments
um 26-05 for $54.72 and 2608 for $252.39 which are based on recent real estate transactions. Make a motion with public health appointments.
Second that. All in favor? I update from the superintendent. Okay. It's hard to know where we left off last time, but in the last couple of weeks, just some updates.
Um, we had some sort of an electrical issue. Actually, two of them almost backtoback. one on a Friday night and another one that following Sunday. The one on Friday night wiped out a circuit board on one of our generators
at Marion Drive. Uh that generator basically there was it was seeing some some crazy power coming in from the town. So when the circuit board,
whatever happened to it fried, we started running on generator. So the generator ran pretty much all day Friday. Uh, sorry, it happened Thursday night. So it ran all day Friday. Um, we were able to get a new circuit board by Friday afternoon at 5:00. So we managed
to get our generator uh our station off generator power and back on city power within the day. So that was thankfully very helpful. The uh emergency contract we have with our generator service company, they happen to have a circuit board on on the shelf.
So that was one issue we had that was like I said it was a Thursday night ran into Friday. Then that following Sunday night we had I don't know if you guys recall a torrent torrential downpour and a
thunderstorm and pretty violent storm and they rolled through. We have a battery backup system, UPS system that runs all our call outs for when we have an alarm that gets triggered. The battery backup system for some
reason had some sort of blip involved with it and never called us out. So the whole entire plant, thankfully it worked as designed, but the entire plant basically went into sleep mode. So we had
electricity but all the operations that run the controls to turn the mixes on open up valves aeration everything went dead never called this out. So it happened on a Sunday night and luckily
the default program as long as there's electricity running to the influent valves if they don't see power going to the circuits that control them they automatically open. So thankfully we had an open tank.
The other three tanks equalized into the fourth. So all four tanks were equal and they just continued filling up all through the night into the morning. So 7:00 in the morning we discovered this.
So I'm actually working on some ways that we can go about if this, god forbid, ever happens again. Um, luckily we had power to open our control units and stabilize everything. But if we lost electric power and didn't get a call
out, would have been going down the road because that first tank would have just kept filling and filling and not dispersed into the other three. So, we're working on um getting I've already reached out to Ericson to come up with a system that would just be
dedicated to that control mechanism on a separate cell phone that if it ever happens again, it would call itself. Okay. So, we're working on that a backup to the backup. Yeah. Yeah. And this is something Bob always said, there's only so many backups of the backup that you can have. But um the
other thing I'm looking at doing is you ever seen the the temporary speed bumps are like a rubber speed bump. Yeah. So there's two points going up onto our tanks that you come in from the back side and if these were our four tanks
then you'd come off the front side. There's a curving all around the entire tank system except for those two exits. So if we put a speed bump at each exit, at least that way if it does overflow,
it'll all contain and spread through the other dams. So trying to think outside the box on some what if scenarios because we already had a couple of what if scenarios that luckily didn't end up in some sort of catastrophe. You don't have a high water flow valve
system on any of those. we do, but if the system can't call you out telling you it's high water, then you're dead in the water and it's overflowing and going down the road. So, these are the Yeah. Yeah. the safety mechanisms that are in place
did not activate because there was no power going to those units. So, um, talking to Ericson about that that this can't be the first time this has happened that they can see and like I think that's the right way to go is, you
know, how do we circumvent that happening again? You can't predict it by saying I'm going to send a guy up there stay during a during a major storm or a hurricane. maybe a hurricane. If we have a major nor easter coming
through, that's a snow event and we're not going to be able to make it into the plant because we're buried and the end of our driveway is about in, we'll all come in, actually camp there overnight or leave two guys there over for that reason, manpower.
But for every rainstorm and lightning event that comes through and has come through, I've been here 13 years now. Never happened, you know. So, there's always going to be that perfect storm, if you call it, or the fluke, whatever it is, one in a million.
Uh, so we're just looking at some ways we can circumvent if something similar happened. Luckily, everything activated and work as it should, but if the generator didn't kick on and then we didn't have power to open up those four actuators, then it would have been going
down the road. So, you just got to kind of think out the box. What's the It's a couple fail safe. So the speed bump would keep everything contained and it would just overflow to the next tank to the next tank until we came in in the morning. But the other thing is trying
to get a cell phonebased system that's not reliant on these other systems that we have in place. Yeah. And even if we could tie it into the backup fields we have as a last resort. It doesn't go down the road. It goes into somehow
into those fields. But just you know this we can think this all through later. the other as we get into now that we're going into business again, the fourth tank's not going to be empty next time. So, I mean that that's even more prudent now. Yeah, yeah, it's a good thing it happened now.
Yeah. Now, the station lost power too on Monday. Was it all related? Did do you even know? Was that Monday as well? I think that was another day in the week. Oh, okay. I want to say that was I think it was Monday. Yeah, Tuesday.
Monday morning, was it? They said it was be shut down all day, but then by 10 o'clock it came on. It was a day that they were supposed to open on regular business hours. I want to say it was a Wednesday. Okay. Oh, okay. Cuz they instead of opening at 8, they
open at 10. Tuesday or Wednesday. On Monday, they do that. They open at 10. Okay. They don't they don't stay open. No. No. Extended.
So, yeah, a little exciting, but uh luckily we're getting through it and working on a a fail safe to the fail safe. Uh couple other items that have come up. Um the Baymont, I guess they're looking at switching that um occupancy
back to typical hotel occupancy. Um, so it doesn't doesn't change anything on our end at this point, but there was some questions and discussions about what if they turn those back into uh, and this would be a down the road
thing uh, just something to consider is if they turn these into like a condo like one bedroomedroom condo type units. Yeah, because they reference in the email here workforce housing solution. So that's what they were before
they left. They were they were that's what they originally when we when they changed from the hotel the Ojo's that was what they were they were extended stay they changes there. So that sounded like the same kind of thing. Yeah. Which would be good. I mean
workhouse I mean workforce housing everybody quite a demand for that where they had one or two guys people would go and stay for weeks at a time do some project on the in city when they when they were doing that um upgrade of all the
telephone poles there people looking for that they weren't available at the time but it's I guess it's quite a business yeah good so on that I'm going through some of what was on my list which was on our other discussion So I might end up bouncing back. I'm sure fear. But uh as
far as the Baymont and the ERU numbers, I would imagine if they were to put in say a hundred of these units, we would would we look at each one of those units as an ERU, how would that be addressed? Do you know
how we go back to our Because let's see what they how they were originally done because um yeah, let's see how they were originally done. To me, if they're going to be housing solutions, it would be each one would be an individual um
self-contained different because they have kitchens in them. Yeah. People living in them all day long. And that's what it says here that that they're going to put they have some have full kitchens already. So, I would think it would be considered like an apartment. Well, that title five rate would change.
Yeah. I mean, to keep it in consistent with our rules, right, that they're that would change. I'm surprised it's not they're not kitchens there now because they they must have taken them over. Some of them look like they have them and some look like they're going to modify them so that they would. It says um
somewhere around 100 or so permanent housing units. It says here that says now 45 units have full kitchens already. Okay, that makes sense. And they're looking to make a total of 94 suites, all onebedroom with kitchen s suites. sell
because it's still a hotel basically and I think years ago they added these units and friends lived there year round one of them cheaper than live. Yeah. Yeah. Just looking at if if each one will treat it as a onebedroom it looks
like the amount of erus they have I think would would be sufficient but obviously if they change the usage over there we'll have to kind of get into that a little deeper. Yeah. Do we know how many they have now? How many us we have? 37.
37. Okay. And I think if I did my math right, 110 gallons per time 100 units. Yeah. 11,000 gallons divided by 330.
But we we call every three of them, you know, one unit. I don't know. each individual one each one were considered 110 gallons per day they would have sufficiently I use if each one was considered
so I'd be basing each unit on right then and maybe more I would consider like an apartment building okay with number of bedrooms right and just divide by the number yeah go back to title five
divide it by Yeah. So then that seems like Yeah. So you have to Yeah. That would be how I would Yeah. Just as long because everything we've done all along has been coming up with the number and then see what it looks like but you
know increasing it. Yeah. I think that's the way to go. Okay. um on the electric main street. They're looking at putting in a laundry uh that property behind the KFC.
Mhm. So, we were doing some calculations on how many erus they need. Let's see. So, currently 114R is a property. It's allocated 330
gallons per day of store capacity. Okay. I'm gonna have to you can throw it out there, but we really can't talk about it because it's not on the agenda. Okay. Uh you can make your comments, but then anything we say has to wait till the
next meeting. Okay. So, um, they were looking at putting in 19 washing machines and you can, you know, Jeanie forward you the letter that they had sent, but 19 washing machines put them both quite a bit for capacity.
We're looking at potentially 7,600 gallons per day from 330. So, it's going to be quite an increase in usage. So, we've got to figure out how we address the Well, usually 7 700 7 7,600
7,600 a day. Mhm. Divided by 110 uh divided by 330, but you add 22 u
to 22 u basing it on actual flow based on Well, we charge because of you know state regulation go by title five. So they had originally um according to the plans anyway they looked at putting
a well on site but now we have varying conditions because now there was water in town. They want to put a well on site to satisfy their water needs. That was before. Now things are changing. So, I don't
know what's, you know, how that's going to change in terms of their planning and that sort of thing. I mean, I would think if they kept the well, they would have to put a meter on it because whatever they drawing out of the ground, they're dumping back in into us. Right. Right. We'd have to calculate it
based on the use of erus and by title five. So, it might be an inaccurate. They'll probably be paying more than what they need to in terms of capacity. usage and that might be a time rules and regulations do say we can go by actual
use of this history of what laundromats typically produce. So we can get all that together for the next meeting on the street. We are bettering that now and allowing them to to expand to different business. Yes. And that's
Yeah. And I don't know is there even anything I mean at the point was that it used to be a dog I think. Is it gone? Yeah. Yeah, that's good. So, a business left and someone else can come in. That's great for the community. Would you say about 20 22?
They need total 22. Yeah, they have one now. Yeah, 21 more. Yeah. Next week. Yeah. Give some thought to it between now and then. not related to the our part of that, but putting a well in
that, if I was the engineer involved, that was a very dirty site. That was filled in a long time ago. It was a there was a whole bunch of uh, as I recall, hazardous materials in there when they put that in before the MCP. I mean, and
not to mention their well, that's pretty close to I just would be very interesting to see what kind of water quality they would have and just to say to them before you go, if they think about the well, that's it. Just but and we'll figure that out ourselves.
But if they're looking for a well like some of these other places, you don't know what the water quality is. And that's pretty You have to go down three or 400 ft to bedrock. If they were a bedrock, well, I mean, you're talking 10 15 grand for a well. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying.
But you then if you're in the bedrock, we're iron and manganesees treatment. They're in all kinds of treatment just, you know, kind of we have this giant $30 million iron and manganesees plant in Kingston now. So, yeah, like I say, this kind of came
through before some of those changes happened to the moratorum. So, that that might change in itself as far as a well, which I imagine it will. Uh, a couple other things here. Um, Howland's Lane. I got a call from
a piece of paper. This McDougall Brothers Construction, they're doing some work on Howland's Lane for one of those new houses that's going in on the lefthand side as you're going in. Yep. And for their sewer connection, where
they would tie out to the sewer is about 15 ft deep. It's right as a hill starts coming up there. And his question to me is, would the store department be comfortable with them tying into a manhole and doing st a
stainless steel drop connection inside the manhole as opposed to digging down 16 ft to the force to the to the gravity line. And as I personally I don't see why we'd want them to go out 16 feet on that road. Uh
I think it's safer for the contractor and just in terms of access to it if we have to deal with it. Yeah. You know it's better for us too. I think if it's at a higher elevation. So I just wanted to see if anyone had any comments on that one.
The only comment I have is did they give you a sketch with this intersection of the manholes? It's out. Is the Is the stainless steel outside? It's not It's not projecting inside the manhole, is it? So, what they would do, I imagine he suggested he said, "Just see if we can do it first and then I'll draw something
up." But they would core the manhole, have the connection come in with a T and a vertical drop with a little elbow at the bottom. Just shoehorn it into the in. Okay. My only concern that for you for as a maintenance it gets in the way if you're trying to clean it out or do any
kind of jet packing. Mhm. Cuz you'll knock it off. So this is a Yeah. And that one there you can open the cover and see if it's how it's set up in Yeah. So if you had something more, you know, here's the manhole. I'm drawing it to you. Mhm. If you had either had one or two things
with the manhole top was offset. Some of them like the cone goes like this. I don't know. Some of them are just like some of them are offset. have them come in. If it can do come off here, then you can do it because then you're not going to bang into it. Right. Right. But if it's standing well, just have it come in and protrude only a
few inches. You're not knocking it off. Gota obviously gets really Yeah. This is this is more of a this is not as big a deal with that problem, but catch basins and storm water. It's a huge problem.
But just just a a thought just, you know, so you don't get Yeah. And I worry about if if we ever had to enter the manhole if there's not a drop that you know you get you get that stuff covering you. So I I personally I'll look at the manhole
itself but long as we're okay with doing a inside drop on that I'll go ahead. Okay, that's good. Um I just want to throw this out there.
Not that it's um something for huge discussion right now, but we can put them one of our future agendas. Town of Plymouth went up on their septage rates. So, I feel like we should follow suit. Um typically when they go up, they go up
and that's our closest competitor for people dropping septic off to the plant. Um if they don't come to us, I typically go to Plymouth. So, um, they right now we're at 6 1/2
cents a gallon and they're at 0072. So, 7.2 cents. Uh, so my personal opinion, and we can put this on a future agenda as well, is sitting somewhere
around seven cents. So someone might come to us as opposed to going to Plymouth dollar for dollar with just a fraction less than at at seven even and it's it's easy map that of a 02 difference.
So again we can throw it on a future agenda but I just want to at least throw it out there tonight so you guys kind of have it in your heads thinking about for the next meeting. Do we need to even vote on that? We don't think I think we have it in our rules and regulations that we
we leave do okay to decide. Yeah. And it doesn't look like it needs public discussion. No, it's just the commission sets the rate. So that's right. Um I would just out of courtesy like to roll it out at a point that we give the
um the sept to callers kind of a heads up so they know to adjust their rates going forward. whatever date we pick, you know, to give them a little leeway. So, we'll put that on our exogenous receptic rates. Uh, let's see a couple other things.
So, what I've discovered in the last couple weeks to year, um, when we had our sewer moratorum, there was still some new developments in town. So there are people within our
system that still have septic systems. I don't know how extensive it is, but from wherever we put on our soil moratorum till now, um I'd like to see between Jamie and myself and we try and get a sense of our
overall system is how many people are still on sepic that have a store that's tied out front. So, we were doing some work up on Prospect Street and there were three new houses that went up there during our soul moratorum.
Uh, so I know of at least three that have been discovered. Really? And this is a very important we've been talking about this a little bit. We get now the time to do that, but I couldn't agree more. There's a bunch of that was part of what Aaron was helping us do as
you went through. No, it's got it. Are they paying a betterment and they just haven't connected that? I haven't got deep into it. So, Joyce um had run into an issue where some of the subject leans weren't
released. Okay. So, she got in contact I can't recall his name. I believe it's Sean and I don't know the last name. Um who does the subject in the veteran loans? So she asked him if he could give all of
the um septic and betterment loans that have been processed for the town of Kingston. So I'm waiting for that. So that should be able to be another cross reference. Right. So do we know if 38, 40, and 42 are currently being charged a betterment by us?
No. No, they're not. Okay. Yeah. And I would guess that they're not just because they couldn't tie into the sewer. So this doesn't even ring a bell at all, but no, that's good. So in the original plans, those houses weren't even there.
Those were just open lots. It just Okay. How long have the houses been? Five years, I want to say. And it's just a guess. 2006 maybe. Okay. So it's been a while. Yeah. I mean
that would that would fit in that they didn't have access so they put the septic system in and but they still should have had to pay a betterment. That's why I I I'm confused only because I came on in 2004 and we did phase two what we call phase
two and there was capacity back then. Maybe it was after was 2012 that's somewhere in there. Yeah. I mean either way it's been identified so that's a good thing. Yeah. But there's probably, you know, gonna there's more of these because it's just what happened. And within the
office, there was a lot of times that after uh Suzanne left, we had four or five different administrative assistants that um and now it's three chiefs
later that you know, yeah, I think just looking going forward that part of our plan should be to kind of see a 10,000 foot view and then go street by tree to to confirm that I imagine everything in the nook is
probably on, but who knows if someone put on a little house here or there or a cottage or So that brings up Aaron's project. did you can talk about it off off here but yeah that's why I see where we left off all that because I know then we got into
a whole you know bunch of other parameters they were dealing with other buyers to put out that project kind of went on the back burner till we got our fiscal stuff in shapes and then maybe it's a matter of bringing Aaron back into the loop again she's
so right but he okay so no that's good just that's good some more things exactly over there waving to to tighten up the you know loose ends around. So Jean's over there waving. Yeah. Go ahead. So I did have a call with um Steve from
GIS and the new um sewer system map. I asked um I reached out to Ben Mosha and Tom at CDM to get the shape file for that so that that can be uploaded and on to the Oh,
good. Good. Very good. Nice. Great. Um, and just a small housekeeping thing. Um, our insurance company, MIA, um, reached out through Tina, Eddie,
the, uh, HR director here. They were looking for basically an infrastructure maintenance program and uh some things we do for like grease mitigation and then storm
basically looking to have us implement a storm protocol that deals with pre-torm storm event and posttorm activities. So I put together all the information we had that we already had, you know, used in house for all our different
procedures for pre and posttorm activities, our daily maintenance, uh, weekly maintenance, quarterly maintenance. So I sent that all out to them the past week. Oh, good. And the fact you had it already is very, very important.
Yes. And I'm actually glad that, you know, this came about because I I did it last year as well, but um there was a change on our emergency contact people that we reach out to. So the board of health is still Joyce, but uh Joe, is it
Loger? Yeah. Shelfish no longer there. So that kind of triggered, oh, we've got a new telephone number for the new gentleman. So, you don't realize how much time has passed and all of a sudden there's, you know, one or two people that might have
changed, but that all went out last week to my Very good. I think that's it on my end other than the announcement that a new laborer had twins and everyone's healthy. Two twin boys. Oh, wow.
Now, he really needs a job. So, he came back today after about a week and a half. boys or girls or one of these two boys. Two boys and one other item. I might as well throw this out there. The senior tax work
program. Um this was just sent out by email. So I know you guys are all residents if you end up being a senior workout program. Um it looks like all the different departments have listed
here some work that u is available. So I notice we don't really have anything on here. If there's anything and we can put this out for our next meeting if there's anything you guys think that maybe we could add a position
or task that might be fitting for a senior worker task. Yeah. somebody to sit up there and as the contractors come to dump the process have to take one of the guys. We can put that on the next one. There
might be some projects uh uh filing uh scanning uh anything that they might be able to do. You can talk about it and see what
Okay. Um, you have Country Club listed. Oh, yeah. So, um, 320 324. I always mix the two of them up. 324 and 342. So, apologize.
Did you want to if Jamie wants to speak on that? They reached out to me and I pushed them on to J. Okay. So, I reached out to um the contractor today, just asked him a few questions, asked him to call me so we could just go over um the
paperwork. There's, you know, insurance, different things that he'll need to provide to us. Um and then as we move forward, you know, what the cost would be associated in all the paperwork. And I asked him, um was he going to just pay
the betterment car or was it going to be a betterment loan? Yeah. So I'm just waiting for okay to talk to him oneon one and get the information. So they are connected to Sila but if he's a contract on a property he owns the bed of it
and when he passes papers you should be paying that off. I would think the unless it's the homeowner is the general contractor. It depends on the financial institution who gives them the mortgage. Okay. If the mortgage if the mortgage company
lets them spread out the remaining betterment that because the betterment with us goes with the property. Right. Right. Yeah. Every time there property a property is sold that is paid off. depending on
the bank depending on the bank that gives whoever that person is a mortal 99% of the time the mortgage company doesn't want a municipal lean. Okay. But in the rare occasion there are some uh mortgage companies and banks that
will allow the municipal lean and continue on a payment plan. Okay. Very very I just assumed if I sold my property that I would have to pay the benefit off because I own the benefit. Yeah. Most cases that like you said most
cases that would be exactly right. Yeah. There's a new bank picking up. It's going to say no no no no right. No municipal. Okay. So um the other address on country club way was 324
and u I did express that they'll have to tie in. I've tried to um I guess I got to reach out to this gentleman again. So, he's he's the actual builder for the client, but um they were the ones that designed the
septic system for the site. Yes. And um so I'm going to reach out to them and see what their expense was for the septic system design and see which direction um the tower loss go in terms
of uh if there's any 10 years to use it any compensation on our side for the design feature if he ties into our saw because they have to tie into the saw now because the saw runs out front and they've already paid
for a design on the So, I reached out to Keith. Um, Keith said he'd work on communicating with this gentleman. So, I just got to I know Keith's had a few things going on the last couple weeks. I'm just going to reach out to him one more time this
week, see if I can get some direction on that. And, uh, I'm going to personally reach out to the builder and see what he what he had for an expense. And my only thought on this, I we've talked a little bit about it, is the engineer who designed the system should
have asked the question, is it a sewer front? Never did. It's been there for 20 years. Just as another when you get into negotiating, we're starting to look at whatever number it is. Just so it's in the back of your mind, you know,
from my point of view, I'd say, "Hey, you engineer, all you had to do is come to town." It was, it was always there. It wasn't like we made it up or something. Well, well watered tower. So that sewer line's always been there, right? They had to pay a better cost,
you know. That's another question up there because see the difference is I don't know that there is a This is a question. This is a question some of those houses with the betterment. That's a big a big question. Are there betterments in the houses that already cooked up? I think
that it might have been Tonsburg put the sewer in so there was no betterment. He paid for the I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that's the case. I think the sewer went in down on Country Club Way and they just put a stub there. I don't think they paid a betterment on that property. That is
correct. Okay. But is a betterment too is the question. If the if Bronzeburg put in the sewer and put in this stub, is there is this I don't remember that there was ever any grace given to him. So the betterment would still be
applied. Correct. As soon as someone got there. I ask it as a question because it's old old news. My understanding all the way back to Suzanne. Yeah. That we have been reserved well and we continue to reserve capacity.
Yeah. for those lots and those houses and um when they connect to sewer a betterment is old. Okay, that's that makes sense to just it's an odd duck that whole that one street is an odd duck. That's why I'm saying it just and it was transition and all I remember
is having fights with the guys. Because to your point the betterment is now for you know it's the everything it's not just goes down stationation it goes to all our horse man all that I mean all that that's what I'm
saying that if there's somebody saying we're not going to pay it I want to make sure that's clear that we're on that's how I've always understood it not giving money away ever Um, another thing I had come up, uh, now
that we're on Country Club is, and I know Brian and I talked about this, is getting the grass to grow around Lynch's way where they put those valves. So, um, I expressed to the neighbor that was inquiring about it that, uh, just
seasonally where it was a summer and it couldn't water it and everything else, uh, that they plan on this fall reestablishing new seed and grass. So, yeah, I did talk to CDM about this. They're going they're on this now
come up with a plan and I I stress to them you want to be following up on it kind and I kind of stepped back as the right people involved Matt yeah Matt's dealing with it as his spec for the conservation but I went back to make sure and that's going to
come to us shortly planned to do all the erosion control and everything over again. Okay. So, you want to just give an overview of the financials? Can I say that? Yeah. It's not on the agenda, but it's related to one thing I was going to ask because
it this can we add old business as a standard line item on just because this will cover what we kind of did it without having on there, but just to cover that administrative point, but main street where they came into us, I've noticed a lot of activity there. Somebody's moving forward with
that looks like. Okay. It was very good to see. But um I'll wait till you later bring that up later. Just let you know that there's something going on there. There's more there's more pain all over the place now. Okay.
That's at 200. Yeah. The one that came in, the couple came in to talk to us. Yeah. That's the buildings building department what they burn for landscaping. So yeah, as far as financials,
I don't know if you want to talk on that. I know there was some updates recently. So the financials in our revenue do look really good where we're at at the end of FY25 and waiting still for um the bills to post because Rhonda was out last week and I was out yesterday. So, those bills
haven't been processed, but I was going over with Dave and several of our bills have a good amount um left in as far as expenditures. Um our revenue uh for septage was 622,000
in range and our sewer user fees with the two um quarters where we increased the rates were at like 1 million 58 so much almost you know we've really
catapulted and when me and Dave looked at septage the last two years uh last year. This year it was like $290,000 increase and from the year before um it was like a $80,000 increase. So
wow, that's excellent. That's unheard of. And the planet is treating that and getting excellent results. Good. Really clean water coming up even treating all that seage. Now the user fees two quarters equal to
million five. No, that's the whole the whole year. The whole year. Okay. It included two quarters with the increased rates. Okay. Two at the old rate. Two of them. Okay. And the um estimated
year-end budget it was like what? A million three a million four million three. A million3ish. Okay. For FY2. Yeah. Keep all
while you're looking. That just means that um our revenue met our expenses and we don't have to use any of the money allocated at town meeting for a shortfall. The numbers don't look like we will have
to use anything that was allocated at town meeting for a shortfall. Correct. Okay. Um depending Yeah. So we Is there a town meeting? There's a town meeting already scheduled for October, right? Okay, we may want to
talk about some of the the funds that we allocated for debt to be reallocated to capital or any unforeseen expenses. You know, we keep some of we have to read the articles and see if
debt was specific to a particular year. Okay? If so, we should probably reallocate it to make it available again for um regular use. Okay, that's okay, Dave. I just It's
so Yeah, I know. I I can't find that specifically, but I know our septage revenue, we anticipated 400,000 and we're at 622. So, we we bumped that by 222,000
just on the Septage alone. That's very good. Get some history behind us and we may be able to give some you as projects come on board and we get the user fees that we hope to we may be able to you know look at the rates again like we said
that you know get a little bit of history behind us. So yeah, there may be some changes in the next six months to a year that um change at the mall, some other location. So
and we've discussed looking at them on a yearly basis. Makes complete sense. Yeah. You want to talk about the moratorum, Brian, and whatever else you have? Sure. So um first of all I'll go on record for this new commission to thank the board of water commissioners for
reversing and lifting the moratorum which helped us as you know tremendously but it also helped the town and I think um I'm just very pleased for us that they listened to some information that we
provided them and uh we got a lot more to do though. It's not over. We have quite a bit of as we just talked about looking at the the world going forward, the connections. Yeah.
Um the first one is is whether or not this Costco project goes forward. One question I have there just looking at the numbers is and this is where we need to be talking
between the water department and the planner building department at least what the what the actual demand is my as I got more into the bug dust of
this the water demand for what is currently allocated them even the extra capacity that has been sold. You add the mall Macy's replacement whatever that is going to be in reality and the MBTA
overlay which I understand from talking to the planner is a lot of interest in that. So going back to what Dave said in the next six months a lot of things could change with the moratorium law. Yeah. and our goal, our responsibility
to make sure that we're thinking about this capacity of that piece of the world in the the benefit it has for the town of Kingston and our revenue but town of Kingston as a whole and then looking at the rest of the who else has to hook up the other
priorities we have. Uh just putting that on the table. Um on that I don't think I sent this to this is a everyone else got this but I yours bounced when I sent this. This is um my draft
of a idea of having a joint water and sewer commission quarterly meeting. This is scheduled for two weeks from now which probably won't happen but the idea is to set up a pro that you can have that actually there's another one
you can have this is uh an idea for you to think about about us meeting quarterly all all two boards staff everybody um to talk about what are we doing and we see the the idea here is first one is
introduction where we identify how we work together now and how we can work together better what what we don't do together. And that's a kickoff. Yeah. And then that would quickly lead into my, as you all know, one of the
priorities from 25 years ago was to put in sewers around the South Street wells. There's three wells there. They represent right now based on everything I can find about 50% of our water supply. Okay?
and the the degradation of those wells has occurred in the last 20 years. I think I mentioned nitrates gone up from nearly nothing to close to three. And um so this offers a real opportunity for us to first of all meet our objective and
our goals of planning this whole treatment plant right to protect the wells. The wells are the water department's responsibility. is a great d time for us to work together not only in a design and all that basis but construction the whole thing if there's
anything that's going to help us learn how we work together it's a project like this so uh and I've mentioned this to everyone on the on the water commission and uh so I throw that out just to kick around a little bit more but I I now
that we've got the moratorium lifted I'm going to start directly own towards somehow interrelating us to them. Um that's that's it. That's just what you're thinking about, you know. No, I think it's a good idea. And you
know, years ago, we we did used to meet with the water department um maybe maybe twice a year just to touch base. So, but that fell off the wayside. Like everything else, life gets in the way. But no, I think you know establishing
something some structure would be very good. Um maybe um we do it like you said every quarter. So maybe something like you said August 19th may not be doable but um maybe Jeie
can reach out to Stacy and see what works for them. And I I'll be talking to the the commission too as well just to kind of they know about this idea and uh there's more we can talk about that idea as something bigger. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
So then just to go on it real quick. I have asked CDM and this is something else we've talked about before but until the water moratorium get out of the way really make any sense. So, CDM is putting together for us a uh design cost estimate, some something for us to be
able to react to. It's not costing us anything to do this, but take the priorities, look at them from a 10,000 point of view. Look back at the facility plan that we had before. What needs to be updated to bring it in the compliance or SRF money? We just missed the SRF cut
off two months ago for fiscal 27. I for 26 I mean but for 27 we could get into this but you're looking at fairly extensive sewer around South Street down of Elm Street something there and you got
potentially Ble Street you got potentially the the town of country and then you got all the area where u along the Plymouth line back up at uh the hill there. So those are the priorities that have always been on the table and reallocate,
reassess them which ones maybe don't have the big problem we thought they might have. Yeah. You know, just rethink it. I mean, again, everything I this is we looking 25 years ahead and I'll be damned if we weren't close. Oh, really? No, I agree. So, I mean, but things change.
Everything's changed. So, if we can The reason I'm saying it, go back to the allocation and I'm looking at and I've said this several times. We don't have enough to deal with the problem we have, right? Nobody predicted the mall was going to be what it is. Nobody predicted it's going to have the potential water use
that it's going to have potentially. So, here's a chance for us to regroup, think about it, be smart about it, get ahead of it. It's not getting in that SRF line because we're talking a lot of money. It's small sewers at this point. Yeah. But if we start looking at we need
two more tanks, then we need the right people around the table to say, you know, we need two more tanks. Well, that's it. And to your point, I mean, right now, what we have, we have a pretty much like a tank and a half left of capacity and then that's it. That's
it. Yeah. And then the leeching fields, that's it. Yeah. So the leeching field has land next to it. Yeah. And uh so we have room on the back for four more tanks, right? someone else, someone else's problem.
Yeah, we're talking several years down the line, but you know, when you open for business and you tell people, you know, we have this going on, it's a good thing. People hate saying stop. In the future, I always thought Town and
Country, we took over their facilities, put one of our put a new plant there, bigger plant, took care of that whole end of town. They didn't do everything was coming back this way. You stop and then redivert from our listing to pick
up all those other other infrastructure. Farm is a leeching field where to put the water. I thought they had a pretty good size field down. Yeah, they were on the edge. They were on the edge. They were Yeah, that's why they were I I talked to them. They were actually looking at expanding and they had no place to expand to. At least if
it was a big enough what they have Well, they have they have more property down there to put more buildings on. Why why didn't they use that as leeching fields? It it doesn't have it's it's not sand. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's all It's a It's pretty shallow of bedrock in there, too. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty close to sea level. Yeah.
So, there's just a lot. Yeah. On that same thing, not to play with phase two of the original sewer street plan facility plan was doing exactly that at Windgate Silver Lake High School and that whole
area to protect Silver Lake. a drinking water supply of ours if you want to use it ever. Yeah. Don't ever forget that that's our water as much as it's Brockton and Pemro and Hansen and Alphas. So, you know, people talk about water. We got a whole big giant reservoir of
water there. It's a surface water supply, but you know, people do it all over the place. But to protect that water, that's why it was such a priority. Yeah, I remember that. And uh so, all right, that's all I want to say. just uh I'm glad we got past
that house going forward. Yes. And that was a very big um step for the water commissioners and I agree they um they have helped to help Kingston tremendously tremendously by um
their willingness to look at additional data. So I found that number. Okay. So, uh, Jeanie had mentioned we had gone up to 1.588 and, um, we had proposed 1.31. So, it's
a $270,000 increase. Wow. Plus our 222,000 extra inceptage plus in the positive uh, from what we expected 492,000.
Very good. That's excellent. That's a big difference than everybody thinking we had a shot ball that we uh had a little blip, but we're in good shape. And I was just going over with Dave earlier just a couple of the line items
and we'll have um excess on our electricity by like 45,000 and on salaries it was like 69,000 and that's because we've been understaffed. I don't want anybody to think. I just needed to say that. Yeah.
Um, it's good. We could have half a million dollars. The time increase because we were on some extra and genie's been doing extra work to kind of corral all the data that we've been using to put together our
rate studies and all the other things we've been trying to kind of gather a better handle on. So, very good. Thank you, Jean. You're welcome. Thank you. So, I have all of the die all digitalized and I've started on the
first um going by street. So, that's something I'm trying to do like an hour a day getting and depending on your bandwidth that may be something a senior workoff person could do. So,
give you a little bit of a breather. without things hanging all the time. Okay. Anything else? Can we put on the agenda what we talked about the last couple meetings ago about um staff staff incentives?
Incentive. Yeah. Sam bonuses. Just so we can now that we got this under out of the way, we can start talking about Yes. the position issues and the and the uh staff bonuses for lack of a better word with this year particularly.
Yes. Okay. Okay. And our next meeting is the 19th. Okay. That's right there. The agenda is already Okay. That's all I have. Motion to adjurnn. I'll second that.
All in favor? Oh, hey.