Okay, we'll open up the March 3rd uh sewer commissioner meeting. Elaine Fiori. I >> Bill Watson. >> I don't. >> Okay, tonight we have the pleasure of having CDM's engineer Cara here with us to talk about a proposed environmental
plan we we've been talking about for a while. you mentioned at one of the water commissioners meetings. So, uh, Brian, if you want to take it and >> Yeah, I think just way of introduction, I've had really nice time with this thing driving around to show the areas
that we actually we've been talking with for months now. That was a pleasure to get to know her and find out we have lots of parallel paths in Maritime and all kinds of stuff. some of the people she works with at CDM I know very well
and I actually don't bothers really just to put that in perspective and uh it's been really nice talking with her and u let's go ahead and I think this was the idea just quick I had originally thought we'd maybe have a couple people from staff members but as
snow and everything last week a little bit rushed and I talked later a little bit about it said this is kind of a dry run we've had chance to make some comments but you know we're not final final at but have a chance to have a little discussion about it and it's the beginning of a very good process. I
mentioned this to Scott just now. I met him for the first time. >> Okay. >> He's the new town administrator. >> Okay. >> He was aware that we're doing this. He he would have come in but he's the only one in there. But just to set the tone where we're underway. This is the ball rolling down the hill and my my physics,
you know, it's going downhill meaning it's going to gain speed. It's going to gain momentum and keep going. I say that most people they say it's the wrong direction going down the hill. This is it. >> Excellent. Well, thank you for having me today. I appreciate it. Um, as you guys
said, Ky resid. I've been with the firm for about 13 years and worked with Alen on a number of things. CWMP, Marion Drive, I'm sure other things that I'm forgetting at this point. Um, so I'm excited to see the CWP move forward to next steps. It's always exciting when you see a plan that you spend hours
writing move forward instead of sitting on a shelf. So excited to to work with you guys again on this. Um so we'll just very casual just cut me off ask questions. I just have a a couple quick slides refreshing everyone's memories on what the CW found and then where that
has led to the overview of the proposed work. Um >> just before we say want to explain what the CWMP is just for anybody who may be watching. >> Yeah. So the CWMP is a comprehensive wastewater management plan. >> You have anybody online? >> No. >> Okay.
>> Um so this plan we wrote it in 2021 2022 and ultimately it was it went through the NEPA process. So it was approved by DEEPA etc. and what the comprehensive wastewater management plan does but it really takes a holistic view of the whole town and its water resources. So
it's sort of a snapshot in time and looking at all the issues. So in Kingston, you know, we're looking at the different wershed issues. So for you guys, that's your your nitrogen issues that you have with the um PDK waterershed as they call it on the Tarbor, Dexter Bay, Kingston Bay. We'll get into that in a moment. All of your
drinking water wells and what the nitrate impacts might be on those wells. Obviously, you have two that we'll talk about today. And then at the time of the CMP, it was during the plant upgrade. So we were really focused on flows and what uh future flows may look like in town and making sure that you guys are set up
for that. uh as well as making sure you had adequate recharge which obviously you know do with your newest recharge site. Um and then we went through I think we came up with three alternatives that I can think of back in the CWMP uh looking at existing conditions major conditions and ultimately came up with
the recommended plan many of which the areas are in the proposed next steps. So on the figure you can just see this is has all sorts of different layers but it just shows how sort of complicated a comprehensive wastewater management plan can be. Um, you know, you have your your zone
twos and the purple at pink magenta outline here. And, uh, we'll get into some of the nitty-gritty nitrogen details. So, as a refresher, the mass estuaries project looks at nutrients in Massachusetts in your different
watersheds. So here Kingston falls entirely within the PDK wershed and then there's multiple subendavements within the Plymouth Suberry Kingston wershed and you guys fall within two of those. So that's the Kingston Bay and the Jones River subendment. The Kingston Bay
requires 40% septic nitrogen removal. So that means 40% of the septic nitrogen needs to be removed from the system in order to reach a healthy estuary level. So we took that into account when developing your CWMP recommended plan. And then the Jones River, it was 0% at
the time of Bur report, but anything that was built after that needs to be offset. So, it's not quite zero anymore at this point. Um, and I did want to point out that it's great, the town is being proactive because the MEP studies are used as the
basis to establish total maximum daily loads. So at one point we met with D I think in this room during that time period and if D does choose to issue a TMDL then that puts the timeline on the town to meet those goals. >> Yeah. Could you explain what the
>> the total maximum daily load timeline um for nitrogen reduction would be 75% of your required removal would have to be done in 20 years. So by you being proactive now and taking steps to meet that total maximum daily load, you're doing it on your time, which is good.
>> That's an important point though for everybody. The other times >> it's going in the right direction pretty much. >> So we don't know if D is going to, you know, when and if they'll turn this into a TMDL, but you guys are taking the steps forward to do that, which is
great. Um, so the other big piece of your comprehensive wastewater management plan was looking at your drinking water wells. So when we see increasing nitrates in wells, that's signs that septic systems are in influencing your
wells. So there were two um, South and Middlegate that had increasing rates at the time of developing the CWMP and I hear that even since then they've gone up even more. So when the levels are seen around 5 milligrams per liter,
that's issuing a sort of a trigle trigger for monitoring. 10 is the maximum contaminant level. So they're perfectly safe, but it's again as we see that increasing trend. It's something that um points to us as septic influence. >> And this plan done in 2022 had the
levels between three and 3.5 milligrams. >> Yeah, mostly between one and two for the most part. all the dots you see here. But as you can see on the right is Milgate. There was a clear trend going upward. Do I have South is you know fairly flat
but varied and again still you just don't like to see anything increasing. So and I hear that gone up since 22 >> and Carol will be updating this see these reports uh required by the town of Kingston and water department by DB. The
last ones I reviewed of 24 we have 3.5. Okay. >> So, yeah, I'd love to get a copy of that with the um >> and then 25 should be getting issued any time now. But when we went through the moratorum discussion that was brought up to them when I had them, we actually I I
had the uh D uh sanitary survey update and so that's something you probably want to actually make sure you get that. We have it. They did it especially for us for the sewer commission to put the focus on their
situation. >> Okay. >> And they're now under they're now under a consent because of that. So that could be statue is special. >> Okay. >> So we have nitrogen in the waterheds, we
have nitrate increasing in the wells. So those were all clear signs of septic influence uh in the wersheds within town. So, a few different alternatives were developed looking at, you know, what if we just met current needs at the time of writing this report. What if we did future goals? What if we tied in
town and country because that's a a significant amount of flow. What if um at the time we were looking at if everyone put in their own innovative innovative alternative septic system and it was an astronomical number that's not feasible at this point. So, ultimately alternative three was recommended. So,
the different areas you see colored are what were recommended in the report for implementation. Any questions on the CWMP? Okay. So, ultimately um a number of the areas that we're here to
talk about today were recommended as part of that. So, that's great progress again. So, what the goal is for the next step of the project is to produce 30% documents. um we would have survey done for the different areas. The areas that you see highlighted in pink and with the
green lines are the areas that we're talking about uh bringing to a 30% design level. So it's just over 30,000 ft of gravity sewer, a small portion of pressure sewer, potentially two new pumping stations, and potentially one upgrade which will have to talk about.
um and then force feeding from each of those pump stations to the gravity to be able to bring it to the plant. Um so all of these areas are covered by again the nitrogen um reduction within the Jones River and
the Kingston Bay subwaterheds as well as your drinking water protection around your wells. And I understand those are about half the drinking water supply to the town. and they uh put it identify each one of the yield then you know give that
technical back. >> Yeah. So so these areas provides a significant benefit uh for those two environmental reasons and then you'll obviously have the added benefit as well for economic development but primarily you are supporting your environmental
plan here. So as far as what the actual project would look like uh for 30% of design, we estimated you know around 10 months with a large portion of that being survey getting done and then also developing your plans um to be able to make sure
all the elevations would work out for gravity where the pump station's going to be located. We could work with you to identify a couple of sites for those stations. And then the biggest piece is if the town does want to apply for SRF funding, which highly recommend you'd have, I think you'd have a 0% loan, uh,
a good case for it anyway, for your nitrogen reduction, and then you also get a, um, 3.3% loan forgiveness, I think it is, for being a tier one community with the state. So the first step in that process is if you wanted to
construct in 2028, you would need to file for funding this summer, >> two years ahead of time. >> Yes. >> So the show is why we're doing this today. >> So the deadline is July, it's typically July 20th or so. This is 2026
>> to have the paperwork to uh >> D. And so you don't need to have your plans then, but you need to know what your cost estimate is. So by doing this 30% project, we'll at least have a better cost estimate. Right now, you'd be kind
of throwing a guess out there. So by having survey, you're going to have a better idea of exactly your linear footage. And then at that point too, you guys can decide based on the plans what you want to phase out. You can say, "Okay, based on this cost estimate, let's do these three neighborhoods and save these three for the next year,
however you end up deciding to do it. So that's the other benefit of starting it early. So once you file your initial funding request, you you're basically listing all of the negative reasons that the town has to get the most amount of money to get you highest on the list. Um so
you want to show all of the problems that your community has with environmental, etc. to support your kids for getting on that list. And then that IUP is listed in the first quarter of 2027. >> Okay. So then you would know if you made
the list. >> Mr. On that point, one of the reasons why we'll be doing this one more time at least is with some staff is and the board has heard me say this several times. We are not going to be the focal
point of this process. It's going to be every environmental public health person, anyone with an environmental understanding, the Jonesville wershed association. We're going as a team and they'll help come up with that long list of negatives that you talked about >> because it's not going to be the three
of us going like out there. You understand? This is a this is going to be a townwide >> reality check >> because there's a lot of money and um don't have money but this is important and that's all I'll say on that.
>> Absolutely. >> Very forward. >> I mean I have to say that's an approach this commission has has always taken. >> You know we we forecast out and plan ahead. I mean maybe we wouldn't have had the leeching fields done what what we
call the plan expansion and it was all the timing was just just right when it came to be. So >> I made that point because I saw before before I got involved in I saw them getting beat up in front of the county. That's why I make that okay and don't
want that to happen again. That's all I'm saying. There's too many good people here trying to do the right thing. It's easy to take questions, but that's just >> Yeah. And back to the wells, I just threw up another slide here. The So, the the areas I think are what we're
proposing to to design as your next phase. So, it's a little cut off here and it gets up here, but they're all right surrounding your wells. I mean, when you drive around, we were driving around this afternoon. You're right next to them. And >> they're shallow. They're not like deep
wells. They're all like shallow wells. Yeah. So, we have a great case for for making that list. So, I'm not as worried about that. I'm more worried about the timing to have enough information in order to send in your application at this point. >> 30%. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Any other specific questions? >> I think it's a good start. >> Yeah. I mean all of your areas are again those two top environmental reasons we just talked about. So >> and it pulls past plans, past projects,
past recommendations all into the current. >> Exactly. >> And gives us a plan going forward. >> Yeah. When we look at your I think it was the 98 with the previous needs assessment. You guys have done almost everything that came out of that
and so now you're just moving it forward to the next project. you have your 2022 plan and now you you got that approved and all these areas fall within that plan. So you're using your guide to move forward, >> you'll get added bonuses, added bonus
points for having that CW done as well with SRF. >> Well, that's you want to be in front in front of the line for funding. >> Yeah. Because if we're going to get it to zero, it's going 3% or whatever it is. It's >> Yeah, >> that's where we want to be. >> Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Exactly. We're going to gobble it up. >> This is very good. Appreciate your time together. >> Absolutely. >> So to to to your point, Brian, we should probably um any tweaking and then invite
the people you're suggesting to one of our meetings. >> Quick question. We need at some point in time to look at expanding the plant a little bit bigger with another tank or two. >> Absolutely. I mean, where does that fall into this
this part of the project? >> We have enough now. >> I'm gonna ask you this question because >> I didn't put that in here. >> These guys know what I'm going to say. I've said it first time I said it. We get done with this, we need two more tanks.
>> Not any question. >> Did there have to be a location where we are at? There's plenty of room there. >> Can we put a self station? Yeah. >> I don't know. I don't know how >> there's plenty of room at the >> There is if you go towards the west.
>> Yeah. >> That way. >> I look at it and be on the walk there. What's >> all the plumbing's already going that direction? So, it's a matter of >> Well, just just throw it out there. >> But I think we're going to find that question when Cara and her team and CDM
>> Yeah. >> gets to this point. We've done the analysis by the car did for us on the proposal side, checking our available capacity. So, we know these other things you're talking about like up up the uh we know we have the capacity existing,
but we're quickly going to maximize what we have >> and uh we're all kind of being proactive about that too. So, >> always move the dog park to a shadier spot, >> go across the street. Well, we can put the dock back on top of the uh
wastewater plant and then we can solve two problems. >> There you go. >> Anyways, okay. >> I mean, dogs up there. >> Oh, I believe that. Yeah. >> There's no Where does it go? Right into the smell. Goes right out to this driveway. Goes right under the driveway
in the catch facing right in the smell. No treatment, nothing. And I thought about that closing Grace Beach. It's a direct. >> Oh. Oh, okay. You know, too much. >> You're gonna need a lot of
>> Don't want the dog people on your bad side. >> They have a solution. I always come up with a solution. They can put their own sand filtration >> along with it. Yeah.
Facilities right in there. So from our perspective, what do you need from us to continue >> the I think you guys have the draft contracts scope exhibit A. So I think the next step would be the the actual
physical contract in front of this. >> Okay. >> So >> okay, >> I think we provided you our standard in the past. Is that changed? >> We don't know. Okay. >> Um provide it and we'll find out if anything has changed. >> Okay, we'll do that. >> Yeah. And then um
>> we've authorized this to be done and it last me two meetings, right? >> Yes. >> And uh so there's a bright yellow green kind of thing there. So we can do the other pieces >> the to to get the contract signed. It's
the um town administrator. It would be um the town accountant who verifies the funds are there for that contract and uh legal for form not not substance per se
but form. So um having the funds available would be our next step. >> Yeah. And the contract is way I've done with my business is if the contract hasn't changed from the original one that's on file then we should be all
that becomes a proposal amendment 210 whatever it is >> I don't know is there a current contract I'm not sure I can >> we have to have one we just finished work >> yes >> yes >> I would think >> because everything's been amended >> you might want to check with Ben and see
>> okay if the language has changed and you updated the contract and maybe has changed it since three or four years ago. Yeah. >> Yeah. They might want to do a new one for that reason if that's okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'll find out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um Okay. So, that's what you need for
me. And then you guys will be working to verify the funding. >> Yes. >> Account in the meantime. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> That'll be done in two weeks or less. >> Okay. >> Okay.
I I don't see why not. Um so um will you be you want to reach out to everybody else? We can have another round table. >> Yeah. And let me let me do a little bit of background. I just talk real quick >> and see if I can get seem to be the most
restrictive schedule. Yeah. Me coming up and all. >> So maybe in a month you might do this again. Is that >> Yeah. Yeah. And then um then you know we can bring it to the select on if Scott think that thinks that would be the next step at that point. >> Yeah. And simultaneously we'll be doing
the other >> section that >> K talked about putting that in the in >> Okay. >> All right. Well, sorry that was so brief, but >> No, that's >> that's perfect. Thank you. >> Thank you guys. A nice it's a nice
overview that you know you can >> now. How far are you from here? >> Not far. I'm in soda. >> Oh, >> I guess when you travel the state that's okay. >> Not far. Usually I'm driving down to the but >> it's not silly.
>> Yeah. >> Thanks again. >> Yeah. Do you want me to stay >> if you if it's your choice? >> I'm happy to stay. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> you can get more um of what's going on. >> Yeah, >> so um Okay, we did number one. Want to
jump to number four discussion vote? Marramar project revenue and I'll Dave's that you want share what you found tonight or >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, so just going to tie your update
completely techn give you a couple pieces of paper. I've been spending the last couple of days when I could find some city time to uh >> go over with some of our historical data
tied to the plant and the beginning of time kind of stuff. >> Oh, thank you. follow along. >> But um yeah, so I was kind of looking at the the original um creation of the
wastewater system in town and I found a letter specifically. It calls out Ryan's signatures on this one. First page, July 21st, 1999. At a regular meeting July 20th, 1999,
held at the fire station on Penrook Street on a motion Mr. Kaden had voted to recover the cost of public improvement of a wastewater facility that users be assessed 2/3 and that the remainder of the tax levy be assessed at 1/3
that so betterment assessment formula be assessed in the uniform unit method according with Massachusetts general law. So shortly thereafter, the tour commissioners met and signed an
agreement saying that uh so meeting was called to order by Gary Monahan. 7:30 president were members Brian Donhill and Harley Caden head also present with CDM engineers Tom Morgan will glance Steve Kell here and they
went through a few discussions and um commissioners decided at that point to meet and vote on recovering the one-third to the tax and twothirds to the
uh users on the system. So I I have a couple of those records here. also went through the original financial plan condir which is the final facility plan environmental impact report
and I talked about the backbone of the system which was a treatment plant interceptors and pumping station should be paid through the general tax rate as these facilities will be shared by the community. So everywhere I went to these different
points in our historical data including section 11 which is a project financing also talked about onethird of the cost of the backbone of the system tied to the tax level
and back in the original facility plan was plant leeching fields uh different areas in town that need to be sewed and they all refer back to this one good being covered by the tax lift.
So, I put together this little packet and today I went a little further and I found on contract 7 which is an individual sheet uh
individual stapled packet on the back paperclip section stapled page on the on the end starts out Kingston wastewater facilities project contract Contact number seven, Route 3A sewer area.
So this talks about all the problems in the Jones River area, specifically obviously contract 7. So that's around the river street and the adena on that side. um basically calls out the layout
of the proposed area to be pursued in general is the area that extends along the commercial area of route 3A from route three west to the river from route three east to smelt Brook. The residential side streets off 3A also
planned for shore construction. So in this particular um pamphlet I found in booklet, it talks about the final facilities plans and the draft EIR report from 1998 which included this contract 7.
>> It says approximately 50% of the soils in the area have severe restrictions for septic systems according to the US United States soil conserv conservation service. Due to high groundwater and small lot size. So this is page four if you're
following along. Due to high groundwater and small lot size, most of the homes in the area installation of improved title five septic system is not possible. Therefore, many homes are operating on an inadequate system which promotes the
contamination of rivers and infant bay. So it continues on page five. uh as a result of the contamination in the drilling river and smelt Brook Kingston Bay has been closed to shell fishing for
years due to people contamination. Therefore, contamination in the local storm drains and rivers not only impacts the 900 residents which live in the proposed field area but also impacts the residents of the town as fecal
contamination with Kingston Bay and tributary rivers impact fishing, boating, and swimming activities. Note that Grace Beach, the town's public swimming area, is located in the Rocky Nook section of Kingston. This area
recently received sewers, but the water quality at the beach is expected to improve only marginally unless the entire tributary wershed is cleaned up. So, this kind of points back to this the whole picture that we're trying to uh at
least pay for everyone to realize that the sewer system at Kingston is a reason why the the bay is getting cleaned up and the quality of life for people, the ability to sell their home, having a source system that matches or
wouldn't have been um able to sell it if you had to follow the title five regulations in the higher um requirements they have for them. So obviously this is a big picture item and it's not only helping out the people in
that area but the whole community in the home which falls back to that one-third contribution by the town contributing to the backbone of our system. Um, so some of the data in here, it
actually calls out the FICO caller form numbers that they sampled. This is on page five. Septic system breakout is a significant concern as elevated colifform levels and storm grains have been sampled at
numerous times over the last 20 years and there have been reported odor problems in some areas. The late 1994 extensive sampling program was conducted by the storm treatment systems. It talks about sampling data sheets. I included an attachment B. I actually
attached one very last page. It shows people call for all the total colifform in the 30,000 range. >> Wow. >> And you want to say somewhere around 10 is where they decided to close the beaches.
So this is something that's pretty significant and obviously having the source system available for for not only the current users but future businesses and and homes to tie in is very important to have.
So further along in this I can go to talks about raised nitrogen raised nitrogen levels that's on page six. Uh talks about shellfish closures continues on. I don't read about that.
But what I found very interesting, which um I just discovered this afternoon on page eight. So just to give you a sense this um I want to say just probably I should know the date when this was written maybe in
2005ish. So paid B, this paragraph here, it says, "Pollution in Ducksberry Bay is also present during certain times of the year from inadequately operating septic systems. Although not as severe as
Kingston, Dubberry recognizes the problem and is evaluating options for abatement. One such option is to provide sewer service to the coastal residences that treat waste waste water at the Kingston plants. Once the first phase of
sewers is complete in September, I think that's referring to first phase over in the Rocky Nook in Route 3A Florida, pipelines will have been brought to within 500 ft of the Duxbury Town line, making this auction very feasible. Town of Ducksbury has discussed this
option with Kingston in the past and will likely do so again in the near future. Town of Kingston is receptive to the plan. So the potential for Kingston plant to become >> to be regionally treating wastewater is very real.
>> That was something >> I just found that today. Yeah. A couple hours ago. And I I haven't gone through all our documentation. I'm sure I'll find other things that are equally as interesting. way through the next >> your presentation of Plymouth Kingston
being tied into the same >> waterhed. It just shows that um they were thinking back then and I know you were part of the original group and CDM was involved back then that you know
put this stuff together here we are and even Bill on the advisory board. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Nice. >> Okay. So, yeah, that's it. I just wanted you to
wrap everything together. >> Just shows the progression. >> So, that is a good segue into uh number four, discuss vote project revenue. At our last meeting, we did have a meeting with the representatives from uh that
project in Duxferry who um were interested in paying for sewer capacity at our pole. We had the discussion. The board took a vote to um allow them to connect to our sewer system and we and
confirm that we have available capacity for that. and more more details will be put into a separate letter. But at the the meeting it was discussed that they would pay 100% of the cost of the project, the pipes in the street, the
design, the construction, all of that. But that's a separate um contract that's going to be written up between us and legal. But to start the ball rolling, um we did say we discussed a deposit to
reserve the capacity. So, put together a draft letter that's been tweaked along the way and basically it says that we approved um the available capacity for the project that it's going to be 44,000 gallons per day based on their uh
bedroom estimates of 400. The uh cost of that would based on EU would be $5,320,000. That's $40,000 per EIU. And um a 75% deposit would be
it go would be um $3,990,000 plus we'll add into that $100,000 for the engineering costs um to get it started for a total of $4,90,000 and um to be received received within
five business days of receiving this letter to secure 44,000 gallons per day of sewer capacity. >> Is that a nonrefundable 75%? >> Yes. >> Is that a standard thing or is that just that that seems like it's a locked
amount for someone all of a sudden wants to back out of it. We want the fuel back. We don't want to buy it back. >> Right. So, are you familiar with that, Brian? That >> Yeah, first of all, they made it. They >> He said, "Yeah, whatever. long deposit for that. >> It is it is that we talked about after
that discussion we had a separate discussion last meeting about dealing with the buyback question. >> I think that's for a different subject. >> But in terms of this contract, if you will, it's to get 75%
unrestricted, non-refundable that we will use immediately. We're going to do it to offset the cost of the constru the engineering tonight, but we don't have to go to town meeting. We don't have to deal with any of that. Um, the only I made a couple comments. The only thing I
want to make sure was clear was that the promugation date of the reg regulations and all so that the legal document. I want to make sure that, you know, that's the only thing that I would add. And if and we're we're saying legal we if
that's um we should run this by jet as initial have it >> a little flush out because they're either going to agree to that or not say we'll give you 50% we don't want back and walk away project you still keep that you know you get to keep your
floor. >> Yeah. >> But anyways I don't I just I thought that was kind of high but if they decide all of a sudden at the last minute they don't want to do it. I keep the 75 in there and they can they can ask if I want to make 50. We can figure that out later. >> Yeah, I'm just I'm not trying to put boards in their mouth or it's just I was
trying to look at that absorb it, you know, >> and I go to 65 before I go to 50, by the way. >> Just in case >> just just a thought. I just I just I didn't just looked at it. Yeah. >> So, we can >> And this is a project that's going to be
two years out. >> Right. Right. as even starting. >> So, um >> I would imagine you know they can deal with >> the timing is perfect for what just explained >> right for us. This will be right now
this week a month from now. >> And just to clarify, they will take care of all the design and engineering. So, our contract would just be to review those plans. >> Yes. >> They're paying for those separately. >> Do and and our advocate >> and review the pump. G staff need this
building. >> So I'll have two tasks. Review the pump station with you and then reviewing all the plans that they submit. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That was the other thing too. There's nothing in here that says, "Okay, we have to increase the pumping station on that and have a big tape or is that part
of the project that comes up um our review that's a good point that I think our engineering review what we do say is they're doing all the engineering and design, >> right? This is all the future. We need to get them to upgrade inside of the
plant because there's no other option to take back >> the plant or the pump station. >> Well, we want to look at it today. >> We'll have two things going on. We're going to have in my logic, >> a letter asking for a deposit,
>> and separate of that is going to be a full-blown legal contract >> that says, "Yep, you know, you've agreed to pay X, Y, and Z." >> Right. at these estimated costs not to exceed whatever >> and any any upgrade to the pump station
or the piping system beyond that and they're responsible >> and that's why you know this is to reserve capacity at the plant >> I pump >> I did I was drafting this this morning I did put a task to assess the capacity of the pump station
>> based on your existing information you'll give me >> yeah and right now that station we're at I think it's 6 and.5 five for the pump. So about about an hour a day. >> Okay. So having the capacity just all of a sudden being flush at one time. I
know. >> Yeah. I I would obviously anticipate that you know that be >> you'd have peak hours. So it would have to handle the peak hour >> demand. So you can judge by what pump is in there. >> What I had
>> it's a 4 inch force man. So even if we had upgraded pump size to it, I imagine that would be a fairly fairly easy solution. >> What I put in here was 100,000 in espro trying to separate them out. So there's the money for the the fees for the
capacity and then 100,000 in espro to compensate. >> Yeah. >> The per it may only be 50 maybe, you know. So we'll work with that later. But uh we also talked about technical stuff. They were going to put each septic system on each septic tank on each one
of these for this. So I said, "No, no, no, no. We don't need septic tanks on this. We don't know that stuff." And we've gone back and forth. They don't that saves them almost $2 million if they don't have 1500 gallon septic tank 100 is like a a big number. Plus, it's all play. They get anchoring and all
kinds of other problems with it. So that goes away. Um but back to the engineering piece is that I was concerned and this gets out of the engineering of sepsis and if how much of this force how much of a force lane how much you going to have a dead zone this
has been a problem. You know we have PVC pipes but that's not a big deal but concrete tanks we have this sulfite issue. get all kinds of other if we have 3,000 ft or 1,500 ft even a 4 in horse man sitting there for 20 hours and those
septic and we get you know this that kind of stuff is what I want to make sure that Tara and CVM has a chance to look at those are things come up that bite you in the back become real problems an odor down there you have a boat landing station right across the street you got
>> you know all kinds of people in the summer we have an odor problem that we Never had before. >> Yeah, >> there was one down there tonight. Go down to the fan going stuck in the air dead low tide.
>> Yeah, nice through the other day. >> Wow, that's tough. >> B grass for trees and ths out to get selling >> to try to get your 100,000. Why don't we this last paragraph as discussed in the
meeting non-refundable amounting to 3 million9 is required within five business days of receiving the letter for the 44,000 gallons separate we another paragraph that says in addition >> okay I got
>> okay let me let me put something together and then I'll throw it out >> yeah I tried to separate it now to the big number but they're going to give us one check >> but yeah >> and then at the bottom I can say the two amounts total. >> That's just make sure we have it
somewhere that's separate. >> Yeah. And then everything else will go into the additional terms and conditions for the project will be covered in a separate agreement. >> That sounds great. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> Good with that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, make a motion to accept that letter as amended by >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I Okay. So then the the last discussion I'll be in is um number three discussion
article 15 from October 24th 2023 special tile meeting. Um I just rewatched it and I know Dave did and I'm not sure if anybody else got a chance. It was just a whole discussion around leeching fields and it was clear watching re-watching the video that all
those funds for the SRF was for the leeching fields and that was that. >> Wow. >> And even at the time um someone got up and asked if we would um be expanding into other towns and the answer at that
time in 2023 was no. But um we have more information available to us. Um one being the fact that we have available capacity. We have debt to pay. Um and then this find by Dave today that was
already in the discussions and we didn't know about it. I didn't know about it. Um so um we have a we have a responsibility with sewer customers to maintain rates the best we can and pay our debt. The only thing I'd add to that is that
the last meeting with the people from uh Ducksbury who were here I made as introduction the fact that in 2003 the proponent I had already talked to them in 2003 which back what they found that kind of links it wasn't made up you
know right >> this is not something new >> right >> and so there's a clear record that this is on the record >> well in the past I had been asked if I would put if we if we would put in our rules and regulations not to accept flow from a from another town. And my
response was always no because if we need revenue and it's not in Kingston um it's an opportunity for us to keep our rates maintain our rates. So um that conversation isn't Louisville, >> right? And nobody's ever wanted to
>> I know the minority that kept bring keep bringing that up are also sewer customers and they want to continue to pay higher rates and because we have an option to pull some extra revenue from then fine but like you say we need to pay our bills >> right be the divor
the benefit of having and I'm not a rate payer on the Kingston system but if you look at it even as a nonsur user you're getting revenue move from another town paying some of your debt which isn't burdening the school system the fire
department that developments and and ducks right >> so you you get the benefits of the revenue without that additional burden on the systems >> on that note I will step out I have something else I need to
>> report first night or make >> I could just give you an update to I'm leaving at 5:15 for the me minutes. >> Thank you. >> Great to see you. Hope your mom's all right. >> Hope everything's good. >> Thanks. >> Yeah. Good luck.
>> I talked to already a bit about the storm the other day, so she's been filled in on it. Anyway, but just to give you a little update from the superintendent about the storm. So, we continue to battle with the Riverside issue with we have an area
neighborhood that's uh flushing flushable wipes >> that aren't pumpable wipes, a lot of them. So, yeah, we've had all sorts of um solutions that we've thrown at it and at this point none of our solutions are
sufficient enough to keep the problem at bay. So, what we decided to do the other day, this was prior to the storm, we set some traps and some anvils, and we've narrowed it down to an area so
far. We just have to further narrow it down at this point. >> So, if you if you know anyone that's having an issue like this, this is what we came up with. >> Steel chain, rub it down in the invert. We took coat hanger here on the hook
part of the boat facing them uphill and now everything coming by that all those fish >> a great idea. >> Brilliant. >> I love it. >> So we're we're looking around the shop what we have and >> we got what we got. >> I love that stuff.
>> Great idea. >> Pat that one. >> Yeah. >> The other guy got $2,000 for the thing. Right. This works. >> So the other thing we did the inlet pipe coming into the wet well. There's a uh what do they call it? It's a it's a
bar screen, but it's a it's just basically a tray that fall through and the rags will stay on it. >> So, we've been finding that fills up within one day. That's how many rags are coming down the line. >> So, we're getting there. We're going to
narrow it down. But before the storm started, we pulled our fish fishing equipment out because we didn't want any backups during the >> Right. Right. Exactly. So, we're back to fishing again. So, we will narrow it down. U So, as far
as Riverside, >> I think somebody's running some sort of operation out of that building. It requires the water. >> This is just a relatively new thing. >> Yeah, it's it's increasingly got worse in the last nine months. So,
>> anyone in the sewer business, this is like the worst thing. I go to look at them. They said blush wife. They still can't pick that up. So normal person have a clue. >> Oh yeah. Dave blush. So um Marian Drive uh during the storm we had an issue that the uh guys
checking the pump station in the lawn. They got there and the device that read the level in the wet well wasn't functioning. >> So the wet well didn't get a reading to say turn the pumps on. >> Right. >> Pumps didn't come on. went well filling
up. >> So luckily they discovered at some time there was an electrical surge that the power supply knew there was unregulated voltage coming in. So it knew enough to shut itself off.
>> But because it shut itself off, didn't read the levels. So they caught it on time, threw it into bypass mode, and all of a sudden things started running fine. It made our UPS on bypass, not function as a UPS. So, if
it did lose power, it probably wouldn't have picked up anything. But we we've since then resolved the issues with it. It's a locking um alarm code that won't come out of the system if you just reboot it. You got to
go into programs and things. So, it took a little bit. We've got that up and running. Um, most of our generators out in the field were running during the entire storm. We had one of them that ran for 4 days before we got power back to it.
Oops. During the storm event, a lot of people don't know this, but the highway barns fuel system pump stopped working. So, we had no diesel and no gas during the storm.
So the fire department set something up thankfully with cumies down by bananas and we were able to get fuel. >> Day two they ran out of fuel. >> So then we had to go all the other tumies. But another challenge it just
comes up during this whole thing. trees down, power lines down, some uh stations you couldn't even get to, driving around trying to find different routes that you weren't going to get hit with down the line. But we made it through the whole
storm. No overflows. >> Not without problems, but um everything was contained and treated. You shoveled out the generators, >> every generator, every wet cell, >> every cabinet. Um if there's a fire
hydrant near it, you try and get the fire hydrant or should >> we do open the catwalks plant or plant itself the road coming into the plant and in some cases we had to plow the roads to get to the pump station check
them. >> Uh so whatever it took, you know, it was all hands on deck. I will say that highway department we have I don't know how they do it. Yeah, >> they were just going to constant getting stuck cutting down trees pulling each
other out of snow banks and it is exactly the opposite typically happens. Usually the my town gets killed and lo and this end is not bad. It's the exact opposite. I mean it was not no trees down like
>> we have it was just in like a mile. I came down lay road trying to get to Southshore Station and the pole leaning over the road coming over towards Page Street where they pre
the belt on the wire and have the pole leaned off. We got just under the wire enough to get to the station and then coming back we had to go to the other station at Northshore and uh instead of going back under lay
road street that's you know we go down Shore Drive down Shore Drive and there's a wire start just time flowers just it was so hairish that storm was But he down a lot more than more than
two weeks. >> You saw the guy on Facebook with the tree Bruce window. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Was that one of our brothers? >> It was one of the subcontractors went through the windshield >> through the steering wheel between his legs this big.
>> Oh yeah. >> It didn't hit anything. I don't know how it did. >> He said he said for some reason when it happened he was lifted up in the seat. He he said he could literally says I was lifted up in the seat. I don't know why. And it brought I'm usually right there. That thing would have gone right through
my leg. >> But for some reason by divine unless you know he he hit something and he bounced up at the same time this thing came down. >> But he was so lucky when he saw the picture on the news too.
>> I don't know. Last name is White. I don't know. >> There a lot of like overtime for this. You must have had some. So, surprisingly for us, we managed to somewhat limit our overtime. Um, I sent the guys
>> I sent the guys home Tuesday night around, say 11:00 and I stayed in my uh car at the plant the Wednesday morning because they they didn't plow my street. So, there's no sense of me going home. I couldn't have
made it anyway. So, uh I let them go home. They all have close enough access to the streets had been plowed. So they went north >> and luckily nothing happened. >> It was more an early morning at 4:00
when the heavy stuff went all day at that. >> They were in at 3:00 a.m. on Monday >> and then they left around 11. >> Yeah. on Monday night and then Tuesday we basically ran from 6:00 am till
probably around 5:00 >> it's definitely deserve no matter what was great >> other than that business as usual >> it's always something it is It's like a box of chocolates. >> Yeah. >> Karen and I were just talking about
Operation Challenge stuff when we were around. >> A perfect example. You could go up and then we >> one of the oper, you know, one of the summer meetings or spring meeting and have a little >> kind of you as a superintendent, maybe a couple guys go up there and just say,
"Here's how we handle this major storm." Just kind of help because that helps all these other people that are doing it, all the other operators that never had this problem. >> Oh, yeah. And you know we do >> what's that shy thing though? >> Yeah. Oh, they would love that. >> After the storm where you have a little power out write down a summary of what
issues we ran into. So if it's two years, five years down the road, you can look back and see >> what happened and what was the resolution for it. And like I told the guys, every storm, every event that happens, it just makes
you that much more knowledgeable. But you also find out where your leak points are. >> Yes. >> And for us now it's our fuel situation. It could have been something else. But you know, next time we'll just make sure that not only which we did, we build up
all our generators prior. Um we had extra fuel cans, but you know, maybe you'll get a fuel tote that we just leave at the plant that has 200 gallon, you know, something like that. So it's just learning and then trying to
>> predict diesel equivalent or gas equivalent gas. Both. >> So the trucks are all gas, >> right? >> The generators are all diesel. >> The diesel would be easier and smaller than the gas. >> Yeah. >> Last longer longer shelf life was
explosive. >> The generators at the plant at the pump station there, they're gas, aren't they? Uh this poll some areas don't have natural gas. >> Uh the ones that don't have natural gas, right?
>> So Marian Drive is natural gas. Boundary Street is diesel. North and Southshore are diesel. Um Rocky Nook and Jones River are
natural gas. Buffing Road is center surprisingly is diesel. >> Um Maple Street's diesel >> near the streets diesel. >> Might be something
>> plant is diesel. >> River Street diesel. >> The street's diesel. I mean, it should be gas. >> Did they put new gas in? >> They may have. They may have >> new summer.
>> Oh, not not that. I knew they was there. But I'm thinking all these new tensions they're doing. >> Yeah. >> Might be a thing that because changing out a diesel generator though, it's not >> No, but I think maybe a matter of justation. >> Yeah. I'm thinking that's all it is. So
it might be a simple thing that that would just solve that. That would be just another >> Yeah, I want to say >> solve that problem or even concrete. >> Probably that big that we have plug. >> So this is what we ran into at my house. We have a full house generator, but we
were starting to run out of propane after day four. >> Yeah. >> And trying to get propane in it. Yeah. Nitrogen is the answer to all that. Yeah. your camera out. >> This is great. U appreciate that update.
Uh I think we're done. I'll make a motion to adjourn. Second and I