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--------- Okay, we'll uh call the June 4th Z commissioners meeting to order. Elaine I >> Ryan Dano Ioni I >> Okay. Uh first thing why don't we just do a board rearch? Anyone like you to be chair?

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>> I'd like to nominate Ela as a chair. >> Second. >> Take that. Nobody else. All in favor? I vice chair. Anybody? Um Brian, would you I'd like to nominate Brian for vice chair. >> Uh second.

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>> All in favor? I >> You do will take it, right? >> Yes, I will. >> Okay. >> I I just just made just I will be commission as you know. >> Yes. >> But there's more than enough backup for me. So, >> okay. Um let's start with the CDM contract

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about the um is everybody else here the changes that they've made. It's going to be going back and forth with uh legal counsel CDM's attorney tweaking the language and then this last grouping

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is some of the changes that um Allison from CDM is recommending after they had reviewed with um CDM. So it's basically

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um it starts with those things that were um we I believe we need to discuss. There's one, two, three, four, five, five items. Let's get to the easy ones

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first. There's one that's invoicing and billing. Um she's recommend It's number one. She's recommending >> Well, I should say she's recommending she said >> um invoice It is

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>> like that. >> Did you have this one? >> No, that's why when I said this, this is the this is the marite piece. The maramite stuff, right? >> Yeah, that's all Mar. I didn't get that. This is the last meeting.

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>> Okay. This is the one you want for this convocation. Could you photo them? >> I'm sorry. I don't have the >> Okay. While she's photoing them, why don't we jump into my >> Okay. >> And Myar, I had them amend the agenda to

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include that so we could discuss it. I got feedback from Liz today and uh the first thing is on page one the definition of allocated capacity. Um it said it was project/propy.

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So we agreed that the capacity is allocated to the dexary parcel or that's what we agreed to and I remember. Okay. Do you that how you remember it Mark? >> Yeah. as that particular parcel is the only thing you're doing. >> Yes.

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>> But it needs to be >> Yeah, >> that word project prop project property and then the map and lot number is what you guys you just >> suggested, right? >> So should so allocated to the ducksberry

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parcel x period >> might even make it ducks so-called marael that kind of defines even more. Okay. >> And then the ID, I think the ID numbers, there may be more than one possible there. I don't know. >> Right. >> Okay. >> But whatever that is, I think that this

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is actually I think this is a really good >> This is really helps define it. >> That that's fine because that's historically where it was. But >> the um attorney I think recommended in the email project property

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and then you would like to add and I totally agree with parcel. Well, her the discussion I have with her is she was going by our original meeting where we said we wanted it specifically tied to this project. We wanted to make sure that it wasn't sold anywhere. So that's

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why she was needed clarification on this one. >> Yeah. Because it's that goes with the property, not with the project. >> Right. >> Correct. Yes. >> You want to take the word project, right? >> Yeah. And now that we're going to say property,

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they use the word property in the sentence and then the map and lot numbers >> and aka his so so miar property >> property that's fine. >> It comes to name >> and then parcel numbers but the parcel numbers I mean the miramar property may

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get cut up divided it may be a small piece except by the body property. This one is designated just of the property that they >> Thank you. That's an >> isn't a colored but it shows you

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>> the whole issue of selling it is when you make the >> project. Yeah. So that was that. On the second page she added the required approvals which was the conservation commission's

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and the highway departments. >> These are okay. these things here. >> This is I'm going back to this one. >> Yeah, we're still on Mar. >> That's what this one is. So, I'm making sure the right >> two. This is the thing.

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>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It just looks it's I have under rules and regulations. >> We go back to this sewer department. That's the one that regulations like this. Yes, required. Yes, required approval. Okay. So,

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>> so there were five five entities exception like conservation, Kingston conservation, Dbury sewer and highway public works and okay, that's what this five combined.

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>> Okay, no problem. >> Okay, and then 2.4 before she just adjusted the money amount to the to the 60% the appropriate dollar amounts that go with that >> unrefundable that all >> yeah

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and the same thing with 2.6 again 2.6 Six and seven. She's just adjusting the money amounts. >> I didn't see anything about being able to invest it. >> That's us. Oh, I see what you mean. They allow us to invest it. >> I'm wondering if that should be included

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in writing so they'd have no surprises. >> Okay. And that's that's I just think that's an important aspect of us getting between what they wanted and what we wanted >> is that 100 plus thousand they said well >> okay

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>> and retain all earnings right maintain all earnings of the >> that's a good thing. >> Yeah that is >> it should be in here spelled out >> yeah I agree it's a good catch um okay 2.6 6 2.7 again suggested the

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money amounts 2.8 8. Um, she just added that government approvals and required approvals 2.91 transfer of rights. Again, we can we'll based on the first page, we'll change that to the property um with the

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parcel IDs if there's multiples because they can't transfer it unless we agree to it in 2.92. So, that covers us. We have final say.

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Um 6.1 just general legal language >> 3.92 is that.92 >> I have this red or minus >> I don't have a red facilities in Dbury

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modifications expansion of the great facility shall be allowed without approval by the Kingston commission. >> Okay yours is the newest one. Yes, >> that is correct. >> And do we actually do XA amendments? So that >> Yes.

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>> Okay. >> Um 6.1 the conflict language >> uh 7.61 61 is the refundable portion shall be defining

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capacity and I think this is capacity remaining from the project shall not be allocated to any other use period. I think as a legal thing just like general what's important is the

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agreement it's recorded in our intent and when it comes down to like what did you mean you know we all have the same trying to be a fair that just keep that in mind though that's a big you go to court you know what was your intent I trying to all I trying to do is protect that town >> right

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>> right 77 Seven >> we got >> investing their capacity >> provided that any use of capacity remaining from the project property shall not be allocated right from the project shall not be allocated

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but I I we have we just swapped out those words just want to make sure the grammar >> doesn't put us in the box where they can get out of it and try to allocate for people Well, we've approved a residential use,

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>> but they may come in >> project. Yeah. So, not be allocated for any other use. For any other use, >> right? >> I'm just trying to keep keep it >> Yeah, I can see >> project property, >> right? Is this project

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>> are they they're not are they somewhere else in here that I missed uh forbidden from doing any anything else but residential use here? >> No. >> So they could >> other than the definition of the project in the beginning. >> Yeah. >> This is a 40B. It's residential. how our

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calculations are based on >> but we watch 40Bs become uh commercial u retail properties up in Indie Pond because 40B have a provision in them that allows for certain amount retail to come in so you're going to see some of

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this capacity go to retail >> um it could be you know when they hairdresser I don't think it's a problem >> earlier on though there's a provision to come to us for amendment yeah >> so we have that kind of I think we have it covered yeah but I was thinking in terms of any other use

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just reiterate or property site property possible something go back just to reiterate the >> to any other use or a budding or I don't want to say a budding because it could be anywhere or any other >> even worse mention a budding but >> tax property

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>> not be unused capacity remaining for the project property shall not be allocated >> to any other >> the from the property shall not be allocated to any other >> any other property >> but the use is what we're is the object in the Senate, >> right? >> So, >> and that's it. I just want to make sure that

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>> Yeah. Wait, I think we covered we this this actually does cover it because we have other language that we can refer to about other properties. We just went into that in detail. The parcel numbers, you can't go off the parcel number. >> Okay. So, that takes care of the parcel. It's not leaving the

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>> So, we leave the word project, >> right? So, but then from the project will not be allocate any other use. But yeah, but I don't know what other use they would come up with. >> And it's good we leave it because sometimes you just can't think of what they can come up with. >> Goes back to you can never write a

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regulation that covers every possible scenario because you nuts, >> right? Okay. Okay. Period. >> Yeah. >> But it also doesn't give you the flexibility to have them come back and say, "Hey, we'd like to use something." They can pass the boards. >> Oh, they can. They can come back, you know, under this provision, I think.

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>> Yeah. Transfer of rights. transfer rights or transfer whatever they can come back and say you have to come and talk to us >> and we beat it up. >> Yeah. And then just 3.92 with the owner facilities in Dbury. No modifications or expansions of shall

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be allowed with approval of the Kingston Civil Commission. >> Right. You said Y >> and she was thinking too, it's not in here. You got to think about it that they're um they may need an easement from Daxberry

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because they they supposedly own that infrastructure in Dax's public way based on how I understood it. So she thinks they may need an easement from Daxberry. She she's going to talk about whether that should be included or

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not. That kind of gets back to his point the owner here about sewer department sewer commissioner the sewer commission being the border selectman being the one one of the things he's worried about potentially

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giving us a rightway giving them a right away into their town of duck street property. >> Yeah. >> Which is the street. >> So that's probably a good thing to make sure it's being addressed but the easement wouldn't be to us. >> Right. Right. This is her tax. Yeah, >> she was just It was just something else

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she was >> throwing out there. >> So, we good with those changes? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'll let her know. She'll ship them back to >> This would be great if we can sign this thing on on Tuesday. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Then come in. >> Yeah. >> It be nice if they came in and sign it

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with us. >> Yeah. >> But, you know, you won't necessarily have this agreement signed by Saturday. No, >> no, next Tuesday, right? Next meeting Tuesday. Okay, >> I'll ship this back. >> We could we could sign it Tuesday. I

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mean, let my son Saturday, but it's back. >> Um Liz is tied up today. She's off site tomorrow. Um she said she can ship this to um the legal council after our review, but it probably won't be a document.

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>> So, wait till Tuesday. >> Yeah. I'm >> just thinking we give them a few hours here a call and say you know your if your attorney is fine >> get it back to them >> I'll let us know

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>> between Saturday Sunday we we're just articulating in writing what we already agreed to >> right >> yeah that' be great >> so we didn't sign any of this document just bring me up street the funds that they would be available

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>> five days later >> five days Yeah. >> And then we can then we can go back to CDM and say go. >> Yeah. >> We got to sign their contract. That's the next thing to talk about, >> right? >> Okay. So, this is the um next one is the

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CVM contract for the reason I got the one more. This is the one I just copied for >> that reason. >> Yeah. All right. >> The busiest.

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>> I'm serious. >> We meet frequently. We meet whenever that we need to. >> You don't mind me. Okay. Um, okay. She just says the second page of

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my email, um, the bottom one, two, three, four, five. Um, she was talking about invoicing and billing and she has no objection from a legal perspective on it being monthly so long as it conforms to the town's funding schedule. So those

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markups which would be like the first page it says payment shall be made in accordance with the provisions outlined >> and then the suspension again they they that's section 11.24

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and she sees no legal reason that that's an issue. She Yeah, she eliminated that. They added it. She eliminated it. >> So, uh, how does is that cover the answer that it's covered somewhere else for that with the

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engineer? Yeah, she's fine. She's fine with how this is worded cuz she said at any time during the suspension and she says they struck out the engineer's right to request the owners issue a suspension

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and she said we see no legal right to include that and recommend acceptance. >> Okay. So it's it's our attorney telling them we don't Yes. All right. Sorry. >> Yes. and S 11.3 termination. Um,

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they rejected her red lines. She's fine with with 11.3 14. It's about insurance. She said, "Just just have to check with our insurance carrier, make sure the terms of this is okay with them." And she just needed the confirmation

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that this wasn't uh funding or anything like that. And I said it wasn't. >> Who who would handle the coverage of the insurance? Is that >> I can Yeah, >> I do. >> And I can just send this whole thing

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over to them. identify not the whole thing just to identify what they're gonna look at because we don't they don't need to read the whole thing. >> We don't want to spend have them spend their time spinning wheels. >> Okay. >> Reading something. We don't have to. >> We actually it's article 14.

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>> Yep. Circle that. >> So yeah. >> And all these other changes are there. Comments to the original. You came back from CM and we're going to >> Yes. And so now the front page of my email 2 2.2.2

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um owner guarantees they don't want us to accept that. We had 2.2.1 in there. CDM rejected it. She wants us to keep it in there. So the strike through is a CDM.

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>> So we want to keep this in. >> Yes. I just want to make sure that everybody because is good with all of this. >> That's yours. >> Okay. 3.21 21 quality standards.

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Again, you can see that we don't we shouldn't accept their request, which is why >> correct. Article 10 is disputes.

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Yeah. She explains why we should reject these codes. >> I'm amazed at this much. You guys deal with this these guys all the time. >> Why is this a recreation? >> That's what um CDM is asking. They actually recommended

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a different uh format. So, >> and this is a different kind of contract than we have with them through the SRF services. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, that's why it's a little odd duck. It's like a new start almost.

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>> Um 13. Again, she what she's rejecting is services performed under the contract. I mean they're an agency that obviously signed so and then in the event the engineer assumes its obligations to

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defend. So when it comes to that legal ease I'm I'm fine with with her recommendations. Um, page 196.1 >> compliance >> 16.1 56. Okay, it's

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16.1 56 and 7 which is on page 19. You don't have 16 generals. >> Okay. You don't have compliance. >> What's in red is her recommendations.

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>> Correct. The strike through the CDM and she's telling us not to agree. She's recommending the same thing. Yeah. >> Whatever she says, those kind of things like >> this. Okay.

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>> So, I'll tell her that we agree with her recommendations and send it back to CDM. I got a copy of that last page. Just list it here. So >> I don't think we need to take a vote on

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any of this. I mean it's >> just discussion. We take second their recommendations and we make another round. But um I think we would >> but we can go forward with the other contract independent of this. So not holding us up.

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>> Exactly. So, I'll um email Liz tonight until um a few changes and be good to go. Perfect. >> And like you said, Tuesday, we should be able to find it because Mus's

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expectation is she'll get it out back to their attorney and then we'll go from there. I'll get their billable hours. They're doing a good job. Don't let that be. >> If you want to take a full copy of that

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>> in red for them, >> I don't need it to whatever. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that would be then replace it because that helps move it.

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>> Yeah. I mean, we've had a lot of these. >> Yeah. >> Okay, that'll be good because then everybody will have the same latest and greatest and you'll see my notes, but that's okay. >> Okay, make a motion. Second. All

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Okay, good evening. This is the June 4th, 2026 meeting of the Affordable Housing Trust. Members in the room are >> Shivon, >> Jean Landis Nommen, and online we have

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>> Nicholas Lejoy. Thank you. So, Jean All right. I've been trying to get a hold of Paul. I don't know where he is. Um Julie, you want to explain the change in your situation? >> Sure. So, Nick, I'm not sure if you heard, but uh I have become a selectman

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in Kingston. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. So, I will now be moving the head of affordable housing trust from the um from being a community member to being the now the person that is for the

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the board of selectman. So, uh and replacing Eric Cone pretty much on the board because um they felt as though it's just easier for me to do it. I've already been here. It's already been doing it. I said the only thing is getting another community member to go on. So if you know anybody that wants to

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be the community member, >> actually we have room for two. So >> yeah. So it would be great to see some people come out for that. So I'll be the selectman >> represent. >> Representative. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. >> Great. >> How you doing, Nick? Good.

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>> I'm doing good. I've started a new job. Really busy three-year-old, but life is good. >> Yeah. >> Well, congratulations. It was the same agency or >> uh it's full-time with the National Guard now.

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>> Really? >> That's exciting. >> Very nice. Congratulations. >> All right. So, we do have a few things to talk about tonight and there have been some very last minute changes um in

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in central housing. So, I wanted to get through that. Now, we do need to approve the minutes from March the 5th and May the 7th. >> Um, no, Sheila, you should have copies of that, Nick. You have copies of that?

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>> I have seen. Yes. >> All right. Do I have a motion on either one? >> I I'll make the motion for uh March 5th and May 7th >> uh to accept >> accept and approve. I don't think we have any I didn't see any um anything that needed to be amended. So, And Nick,

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are you a second? >> I second that. >> Okay. All right. So, any any discussion at all? >> No, I I didn't see anything. Looked good to me. >> No, nothing for me. >> Okay. All right. Because we're hybrid,

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we need to do a voice vote. So, Nick, are you I >> I >> She Okay. 30. Okay. So then the next activity is the

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um I wanted to discuss the review of the draft housing production plan we had with Jason last month. Now Sheila, you sat in on that. >> I know you were not able to be here. Ned, have you had a chance to look at any of that or any of his presentations?

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>> Yes, I did have a chance to look over it this afternoon. >> I'm pulling it up now. My video cut off. >> I saw it again with the selectman as well, which was >> That's right. So, you got a a different slightly different presentation.

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>> I was a little I was a little disappointed. He didn't emphasize the boards working together, >> right? It was it it didn't feel as good as like I as with us. Like I just felt like Yeah. And I was going to I was

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going to say something about the 45 too because we were talking about a lot about that too. And I felt like we didn't get a lot into things that I thought we could have gotten into too. So it was really somewhat kind of rushed. I felt like because it was like the beginning, here it is. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> It'd be nice if we could get more

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detailed into it. But >> I agree. I agree. Yeah. I mean it's fairly long. There is um there is you know at the beginning there's a kind of a summary but what we asked him for was a condensed

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version that every member of the board of selectmen planning board ZBA anyone else involved with housing the the zoning officer would have as a ready um reference material anytime they're

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talking about housing. because, you know, having been on this trust since 2017, um, we've we've not developed a working

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relationship with those two boards. Uh, we've had variety of zoning officers. Um, we've had pretty much the same town planner and, um, you know, if I send her an email, I do sometimes get a response.

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I haven't gotten a response this week. I don't know if she's in or not. Um, but we just haven't developed that working together that is being recommended in in this new housing production plan. And

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what it calls for really is a is a working group that meets at least quarterly, you know, and have a representative from each of those components where we can touch base on exactly what is is coming forward,

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what's being worked on, um, you know, what issues are there? Is there room for the affordable housing trust to get involved? They know we have money. I'm sure that, you know, if they had a situation where a little bit of money

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might make things go a little better, you know, we just want to be part of what's going on in the housing situation uh here in Kingston. And um I'm I'm really hoping that we could get something like that going. Um, many

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housing trusts have the town town administrator on the trust and sometimes they're designated as the chairperson of the trust. >> Interesting to think about that, >> right? >> But that ensures that whatever's, you

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know, bubbling up to his level gets discussed, you know, the appropriate things get discussed at the affordable housing trust meetings. um so that we can kind of stay on top of what's going on rather than reading

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about it somewhere. Um >> the most the most recent thing was and I don't know if anybody in town even knew about it but it was in the business uh journal from Boston that AW Perry has

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purchased the Sacred Heart School >> for 3.8 million. 3.8 >> about 3.8. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. And the intention is to uh put housing there, but as we know, we've had a a proposal to put housing there before

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and there were significant issues with water and sewer. So that would all have to be worked out there. Um, so eventually they're going to be coming either to the town planner, the planning

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board, the ZBA, and I I just hope that they would all anybody who has it would remember to at least include us some of the preliminary discussions. Um, so we'll have to see where that goes. We

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also know that the ZBA had a meeting Monday night and uh deliberated on the proposal for uh Kushman >> Kushman Drive Farms. >> Um I was not able to attend that

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meeting. I've been waiting to view the video when it becomes available to see just how that discussion went. Um, we also know that the planning board has had a proposal from the owners of the hotel behind Cancun that they would like

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to turn that into apartments. So there is some activity now uh regarding housing and of course uh online um many reasons why we shouldn't have

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additional housing in town and yet um look the housing production plan that Jason prepared for the town. It showed a true need for certain types of housing that we're we do not have in our inventory and for the people who already

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live here and the people who want to live here. So there's there's work to be done and there's certainly I think a seat at the table should be a seat at the table for the affordable housing trust on on some of these proposals. So,

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I'm I'm hoping that um we can find some way to get that sort of working group going and we can develop a closer relationship with the other the other boards that have to deal with housing.

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Um I know that at the selectman's meeting on Tuesday um we did have a quick discussion on Kushman Farms to see what was going on and they were saying you know they were working with the um you know with the developer but the you know the flood I

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guess the flood the 100year flood line was was something they were discussing where they think they could get past it but there seems to be a lot of um discourse between the two of the members at the meeting. So there was a lot of discourse between if it's legal or not legally

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done now or still being done because of the meeting. So there was a lot of discourse of like back and forth of like is this legally done, is it not? So that was kind of interesting because it felt like it was some infighting in there going on. So either way that there is

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going to be >> some some 40b in there. whether or not how much >> how many units >> how many units I don't know they didn't say I didn't get to watch their meeting either um but well I guess we'll have to see and then like I talked to someone

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just a few minutes ago who who is somewhat knowledgeable about that project and I guess the proposal was to eliminate fourth floor >> yeah they were saying three floors I guess that's what I wish I had brought my notes but I know they had said that

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up to three floors and I I think they went down to 105 units is what I remember from my notes. >> It started out at 165. Um, and of course it's apartments and it's a 40B which means that no matter how many they

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finally end up with, they will all count in our subsidized housing inventory. even though only 25% of them will be at the market or at the uh affordable rate uh as set by HUD for Boston area. So,

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we'll have to see um how that all pans out. But, you know, we had talked to the developer in the beginning, but because it was coming in as a 40B, there really wasn't much for >> affordable housing trust to do on that on that particular development. Um, I

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don't know if there'll be anything for us to get involved with with the hotel situation. Um, it'll be interesting to follow what AW Perry proposes. >> Yeah, that's all I was thinking. >> Goes and we still have the Maple Street

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uh property um that could be purchased. Uh we and if you if you read um the only newspaper available to us is the one out of Halifax >> and it now covers Kingston. So they were

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reporting on the Slackman's meeting but they were also reporting >> about losing my train of thought here. Um oh what are they talking about? was

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Jill >> Baymont or we talking about No, was it Bmont? Oh, like just >> Baymont was one of them. Um there was some some discussion of the CPC article. >> Yes. Okay. on the money for

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>> Maple Street >> for conservation um purchase on Maple Street and I believe the town planner indicated that there was still an interest in doing housing >> in that area. Um,

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>> we did we we had discussion because I think people were talking about it as we were making our um >> review of the article. the review of the article there was there was some discussion regarding uh Maple Street and and it it was you know it's Matt's it it's Matt's um article but you know

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every year they kind of ask us the same question about about us and it's always like well at some point we will have something to actually build with and we need the money for for that when it comes down to it >> but it's also like no matter what we do

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I feel like >> cuz we've been looking at Maple Street for a while now too and I think I think sometimes people don't remember that we've always been looking at Maple Street and I think you know Matt's trying but >> yeah Maple that Maple Street property has been under discussion for several

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years because there was a developer years ago who I don't remember uh if if it was the timing you know with the the economy and they walked away uh we did talk with the owners they were going to try and do it themselves and discovered

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that really was a lot more complic licated than what they realized. I know there have been discussions with them subsequently with the past town administrator. I don't know that Scott's gotten a chance to to talk with them. He's been

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here such a short time and the most busy time of the year, >> right? >> Update on that. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, yeah, I think the intent is at some point to try and put some housing in there. And I think it would be perfect for a little village, a cottage

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type area. Um there's lots of um precedents for that in from other areas and how well it works um particularly for certain age groups. Mhm. >> Um and I think the the overall

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indication from the draft production plan was that we are we're missing the starter homes uh the retirement homes which are we're basically talking about the same thing smaller smaller units and

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obviously the ADUs are going to be um you know fulfill some of the need there but there are usually no restrictions on them which means that they can't be considered affordable housing. Um it

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might be affordable housing but it has to have that permanent restriction which most homeowners are not willing to do that and I understand that you know >> um so um >> the use is half the warrant. That's a lot of

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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> information in there. >> Yeah. So the the housing production plan is going they like you said the board of selectman signed off on it. So did the planning board which it's their jurisdiction over the housing production

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plan. Um you know and they authorized um creation of of the newest one. We're supposed to do it every five years. I think we might be off by a year, but anyway, it but it's there as a roadmap for what we should be thinking about

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whenever a housing issue comes up. And I truly hope that this doesn't just get put on a shelf and >> you know, not used. Well, that's that's you know, it's like when you look at our master plan, you know, it's like it's

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just it's just not right because, you know, >> well, you know, we paid a lot of money. You know, we pay a lot of money to have these plans made and then >> Well, we talked about the Baymont. You go, hey, you just see what we just said. We said we do need housing on each end

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of the spectrum here and we have a great opportunity to talk maybe got to do something with that and people just don't want to hear it. They just they just hear building and it's like it's >> they obviously don't know anyone who's who's desperately looking for housing here,

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>> but many of us do, >> right? >> Yeah. >> It's really tough. >> Yeah. So, um did you have any comments right now, Nick, on the housing production? >> No. No. other than just the fact that I I remember those projects in the past and that we were trying to be creative

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in the ways that we could use our our funds to assist in any way possible, whether that being helping with the appraisal fees or >> whatever. So, if that if we could somehow open those lines of communication to not only the developers

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but to the folks um on on the zoning board as to what they may or may not know as to what we have the ability to do, you know, that that might unlock some things or get something moving. >> Yeah, I hope so. I mean, when I took

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over as chair, I did go to them, each of them, >> just reminding them of, you know, we were here, what our what our um purpose was, you know, what the trust said we could and could not do. Can't say that

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it was well wellreceived. [laughter] [gasps] So, I'm, you know, I'm trying to work with the town planner um on things. I went to her too to make sure that um

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we had some familiarity with each other and could u discuss any housing issues. So uh we may have to to renew those efforts. Um I do think we could have a

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role here in getting some of that housing production plan information out to the public. um because that was one of the findings is that um there needs to be more education of the residents about

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affordable housing. Um that it doesn't instantly mean um lowinccome or housing. Um, but that it's primarily for young families starting out trying to to get a

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stake in the community where they where they work, where they want to live. >> Um, so I think there's an opportunity here for us. I'm not sure how to go about it. I have to tell you, I have a the the recycling committee has hired a

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consultant to help us do our social media and she's doing a fantastic job. Um, and I think we are allowed to use some of our trust fund monies to do that sort of thing. So, uh, what I thought I

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would do is contact Mass Housing >> and see if they are aware of someone who does this sort of >> That's a great idea. I mean, social media definitely is. Well, it's one way to reach people. But like, you know, >> I would love to see Jason's, you know,

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presentation, although it was during the selectment meeting, like on public access TV, so somebody sitting at home would be able to look at it, you know, whenever they want to not have to go through our meeting or through that meeting just to find it where, you know,

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and yes, I it's on the website, like on the town website, buried somewhere on the website, but it'd be nice if we maybe got, you know, the local scene to put it up there or something. we could just, you know, it's like anywhere we can get it >> where people can can look at their leisure to find it. Like looking on the

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on on the town website, you know, that's it's impossible to find anything on there besides like I can find the genders, you know, I can't really find much else. So, I think it is a good idea to kind of see that to just see if we could get it out there.

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If if anything, as these 40 as as these affordable housing opportunities are coming, we can say if you look back to what we're talking about and you like we just got, you know, this this housing production plan, you can see that we do

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need the housing. But people, how many people have actually seen this, you know, maybe, you know, 20 30 people? >> Let's say 967% of the population really has no interest in it. So, I wouldn't blame them, but sometimes when you feed people just a

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little bit of information at a time and you keep building on that, it it helps it accumulates and it helps them to get a better maybe different understanding of what you know what affordable housing

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is all about, who might need it, you know, they go, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, I didn't think of that person or that group of people." So I think maybe small bites of [snorts] information on a fairly regular basis because we have found it very helpful at

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recycling for her to do that. She just she puts stuff on Facebook two or three times a week on recycling issues and we keep getting more and more people following what we're posting. I mean,

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it's it's not huge overwhelming, but uh we've got a lot more people now at least obviously seeing it, maybe even reading it and then wanting to follow it. So, that's to me that's that's a good sign.

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Nick, do you have any ideas or what do you think of the ideas that we've proposed? Yeah, I I think that's it's it's everything um in terms of, you know, educating people or um letting people know what exactly we do. Um that's the

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main uh way that I find things to do in our community, whether it's a new restaurant opening or events happening or, you know, things going on down at um down at the beach. So, um, if the I have not seen if the town has its own

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Instagram or Facebook page or anything like that, but if they don't already have one, they should. And if they do have one, it should be rotating posts um about the different committee committees, including the affordable

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housing trust and uh what what we do. >> That sounds wonderful. Uh unfortunately we do not have a town Facebook page I think primarily because we have no one to do it. Don was like posting a few

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things here and there, but it was mostly just No. And it's only like informational like Tom meeting is 6 p, you know, 6 pm on this time. like it wasn't like a like a a consistent by cave like and I keep what I said to the selectman on Tuesday is that I would

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like to see us going back to where we do have open forum or we do have a selectman's meeting going back to talking to each committee about what they're doing and getting out in front of everybody because you know a lot of people not everybody watches the selectman's meeting but I think when I was first on it back a while ago I

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remember like the library would come and talk about what they're doing and then the the the housing trust would come and I think getting back to that and getting back to where you know the committees are coming in front of the selectman and talking about what they're doing and getting it out there because you know at

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least it's on you know it's on pack and people can hear about it but I think everybody getting to know what's going on and we you know there's you have you know a representative on on some of these committees but you know doesn't always get back all the time and I think it's great to be able to have us get on

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the agenda to be like hey can I have 20 minutes of your time to talk about >> what we're talking about and get on the like you said like we are on the same page because I think that like having us together and talking and knowing that we are working together would help with the town too but just seeing that like I

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don't know if you know this but we have to you know we do need housing here and but if we could do that again I I was talking to to them at the end of the meeting just getting back to that I think we should >> I I wholeheartedly supported that because I you know we were doing that

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when I was a selectman And >> I love that. Yeah, >> it was I have a story about one of the committees, but I won't share it online here, but you show up at one of their committee meetings and they look at you

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and they go, "Why are you here?" And I I've said because we appoint you, >> right? >> And therefore, we have a responsibility to see what you're doing. >> Absolutely. Right. And this group was totally offended.

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And I'm like, well, that's the truth of it. If I'm appointing you, I have taken on the responsibility of making sure you're doing what you're doing. And if you're not, then I have the responsibility to not reappoint you. >> Well, right. And you, you know, and you

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can't always watch like I try very hard to watch them >> to watch everything, but you can't. But like it's also nice to come in front of the room and do a quick 20 minutes of like what's going on. And I think it really is important and I think it's important especially the appointed ones.

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Um you know the appointed committees are so important but you know even with the schools whatever like I don't mind coming in front and talking about what's going on and what we're doing. But I do think it really we have to go back to that. I agree. I think we have to go back to that. um without a local

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newspaper, we we've really become a little um handicapped because we have no real outlet that most people would get news from. Um there's a handful of us that probably get the um Halifax

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newspaper and this week, believe it or not, they covered Kingston. You know, we were never able to get Patriot Le L ledger to cover anything out of Kingston. We used to have there used to be a um

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>> reporter that covered Kingston, but they haven't had that in ages. Um and I understand a lot of its budget. You know, I think every newspaper has cut back on on um the network >> used to come and sit in our meetings and we used to get interviewed and you know,

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ATD would come out and they would get an interview from us and talk about what we talked about and >> yeah, >> there's getting a lot of not like okay well you guys tape it so it's somewhere on but >> you know even some of the AI stuff like that comes out it's like I don't like them telling me what I said in a

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meeting. So, >> um, >> I I would definitely be happy to go back and talk to them again about it because I do think we have to get back to that. I really want to see us, >> you know, talking to each other, you know, especially with, you know, so much going on in the town with these

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appointed boards. >> I I agree with you. I think it would foster a sense of we're all in this together, >> you know, that we're working together to try and make things better for everyone. Nick, you've probably come you across

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methods that are used somewhere else that seem to be effective. Uh if you don't can't think of them right now, uh certainly, you know, share them with us when you can. um because we're we're just simied a bit here as to how to get

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information out um to the public in a way that um doesn't overwhelm them, but interest them enough that they'll at least listen or read it. So, uh

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>> yeah, 100 100%. Um, for for what it's worth, I I had not even known there wasn't newspaper coverage here because I don't check newspapers. You know, every news I get is is online somehow. Um, I, you know, I find out about things going on

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in the town from uh social media and I I think that's the way it is, >> you know, with most people these days. So, >> yeah, especially your demographic group. Um, you know, a lot of them never read a

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newspaper. It's all all online. I read four newspapers every day from different, you know, I read the local, the regional, the state, the national because I want to know, you know, I want the perspective of what's going on, not only just here in Kingston, but what's

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going on around us that could affect us. >> Well, a lot of people don't have cable anymore, so they only are doing the streaming. Um, so I still have cable because I love to watch the news. Um, but a lot of people go into the streaming and so they're not even getting the local channels anymore either. So it is very difficult to get

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the word out beyond, you know, and I I say too like Halifax Express has an online presence, but it is it's like it's tough because we used to have a lot more presence with the Patriot Ledger and we would >> we would have at least our own way of

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getting getting things and you know it doesn't seem like it is anymore. >> Yeah. And even even sometimes in Plymouth papers, but now um yeah, the Plymouth Independent, they will only cover Plymouth things. You know, I tried a few times to get stuff in there

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>> trying to explain that >> their residents might just might be interested in things happening at least within the local area and they said, "No, we're just covering Plymouth." So >> that you know, the agricultural fair, those sorts of things that are really great for people to come out and see. It

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makes you mad that you know it's like we would love to have that happen and you know again we have like the food trucks and things like that. It's like just people want to see that come out and and come to our town. Yeah. Just really tough. >> So yeah. So I think I think social media is probably uh an area that we could

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really improve on to to reach a good number of younger people um on that one. Okay. Uh planning board activity. The only thing I know of right now is, like I say, is the um Bmont

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>> um zoning bylaws being proposed for annual town meeting. I don't think there's any in there that are needy. Um oh, I'm sorry. There is one other thing in front of um

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of um the planning board and that is um there's this uh Beth Fines family trust. They're just proposing five lot subdivision uh on land off 31 Forest Street. So it's it's not a major um proposal and it's

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just under the limit for having to make one unit >> um >> affordable, >> of course. >> Yeah. Um, but as far as zoning articles on, now I understand from that newspaper

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article that there were still some language issues that had to be um revised according to town council on the on some of the Warren articles, but I could imagine that would not affect whether or not the Warren articles >> No, I'm that I'm aware of. I think it

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was just a little bit of verbiage, but I think everything else was fine that I was aware of. I I know we signed everything. >> So, was there any push back on on the CPC funding for the affordable housing trust? >> They always just say something and then they always just Okay.

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>> So, everybody was fine with it. >> Say something, but they never not and you know who I'm talking. >> There's always one person always said no and then they always >> Yes. Right. It was like, well, >> but yet he came out and said that the town definitely needs housing.

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>> Pick it up because I just go, we always wait for you to say it and then we know you're going to say it and then you're still going to vote. So, yeah, overall I think I think it was okay. A couple of CBC things, you know, it's always something. It's always like, well, people don't want the CPC funds. Period. End of story. They just don't I don't know.

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>> Well, here's here's the deal. The way the bylaw is written, the CPC consists of members who are appointed from various boards and committees. >> They're the ones that determine how that

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money is to be spent. And really, no other group, including the board of selectmen, really has, you know, should be chiming in on it. >> Well, yeah. You know, because the CPC, you've you've been on or yeah, you've

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been on there. >> We're the ones that go to the town meeting and actually present it. The selectment don't actually present it. So, it's presented by the CPC, >> right? >> Because they have vetted all the requests. >> Exactly. >> They know how much money they have and

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it's that cumulative decision that should just be honored by the board of selectmen. And then it goes to town meeting. And even there, you know, there could be groups that feel that their CPC money, which is a tax that they all pay

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and therefore have the right to comment on, um, may disagree with some of the decisions made by the CPC. Um, but then it's up to town meeting to decide which arguments to to go with. Um well

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>> yeah for other boards and committees to chime in on what the the CPC has done um you know it's kind of like undercutting undercutting them the same thing with the capital planning these people meet

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spend lots of time reviewing everything come up with a decision and then have a question >> well they vetted it like they've already vetted it they've said this is what the money we have this is what we can afford this is what we can do that's why we have these boards, why we point these people to these boards to make sure that

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they are making the right decisions, right? >> And if you have question, you should probably go to those meetings and ask those those questions. That's what I was saying like go to >> Yeah. while they're still deliberating. >> Yeah. Not not at town meeting when it's already been vetted, >> right? >> You know, so it [clears throat] is tough, you know, >> group has done what they've been asked

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to do. All right. So there is an amendment [clears throat] on the ADUs and that's just to make it comply with with state requirements. Uh there is um excuse me [laughter] I've been out in this um

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pollen. It's awful. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Proposed corrections to the zoning bylaw use table. Amendments to zoning bylaw. Um those are the only zoning articles that are going to be on there. there's no real change. It's just kind

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of making corrections to what should be there. >> So, I do understand that there from Paul that there may be some major uh zoning issues come up in the fall town meeting. >> That's what we're hearing. >> Yeah, we'll see. >> So, we'll have to um continue to follow

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that, see what they're what they're proposing. All the language for all the articles is posted on the town website so people can see it and be familiar with it before they come into town meeting. I don't think the new um the

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new um um person in charge of town meeting the >> Oh, Michael Cow. Yeah, the new moderator. >> New moderator. Uh, I don't think he's had enough time really to to do what they usually do, which is something on the local scene to go over the articles and explain them.

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>> Yeah, I I believe that Scott and Kim did do a one hour. Okay. >> Um, did do a one-hour overview, not with the moderator, I don't believe, because you know, I think he is too too um >> he needs to get up to speed. >> But I do know that we are doing consent agenda. I had asked. So, we are doing

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some consent agenda. So, it would go faster at least if we do consent. But they did do I guess there is something on local scene because they did Kim and um Scott. So I was gonna go share it for like I was gonna share it tomorrow or something before before to say hey maybe

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if you want to know anything about it. >> I hope people come >> the change in date has not been >> it's not it's not helpful at all. I >> I understand why they had to do it but there's a big deal over at the ve house.

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Um there's um what else is happen? >> Something going on at the um Grace Beach. >> Yep. And there's also uh many graduation parties >> and the Hazard's household waste collection is at the town barn tomorrow or on Saturday. Yeah, Saturday.

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>> So, um it could it could >> graduation party season, too. So, it's going to be tough. Like the morning, it's 9:00 a.m. I'm hopeful people come out >> and we get it done quick. And I'm just that's what I'm trying to say to people. you know, if if we get in at 9 and we can get out quickly, then you can go do what you need to do. But it does it's

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>> this time I don't like going into June. I just feel like it it just messes everything up. >> Yeah. And it's unfortunate the state >> still doesn't have their proposal out because >> that that really messes with every community's

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budget >> because you don't know what you're going to get. >> So it's sheets are not easy. They're not they don't do much to help us. >> No, no, the whole process, you know, starts early, but it seems like it takes us way too long to get to the final

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product here. So, um, so yes, I I don't know that there's anything really controversial on >> Yeah, nothing. Yeah, >> Warren. Um, there may be and >> if I have more fun stuff to talk I just

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hope we have enough people to um to get the business of the town done. >> That's what I'm I'm going to push really hard to get out in the morning and come and get it done >> and do it. Yeah. Yeah. Um Eric was going to try and get an update

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from uh the TA on affordable and obviously that hasn't happened. uh update on 40y. I think our next I put down here we had identified our next step to identify town property but the other thing is to have

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the town accept >> 40y so um is that something that you can take the lead? >> Absolutely. Absolutely. I can talk to the I can talk to um the the TA about it. Absolutely. because that has to be the 40y provision

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has to be accepted before we can implement it. And I do think that the town planner would be the one responsible for drafting that article. >> Okay. >> So I don't know if if that's on her plan for fall for the fall town meeting.

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>> Ask Valerie, >> but um >> I think it's really important to get that accepted. You you understand what we're talking about, right, Nick? >> Yes. the uh the zoning for 40 wide small houses. >> Yeah. So, town has to accept that

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provision before we can uh utilize it. So, >> value would be in that, but I have Yeah, I'll definitely talk to the two of them. I'll put that right on my radar. >> Okay. All right. Um I do not have any updates from town planner. I did send her a series of questions, but as I

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said, she may be um not in the office right now. Can we uh >> she was in on she she she was not on meeting on Tuesday but I don't know because of the town meeting on Saturday if she is >> right she yeah all right mass housing um partnership resources assistance

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again they have their housing institute this month June 25th and 26th uh we do have funding if anybody wants to go to that um and then I think we've already gone over the potential housing projects

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Um, one of the articles that I pulled out of probably I don't know Boston Globe or but it was um, more communities across Maine are embracing tiny home villages as a new

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solution for affordable senior living, giving older Mainers a chance to live independently while staying connected to a close-knit coastal community. Um, supporters are saying these small cottage style neighborhoods could help seniors avoid the rising cost of

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traditional retirement housing while still enjoying privacy, safety, and daily social connection. One Maine woman reportedly invested much of her personal savings to help create a tin a peaceful tiny home village where senior women can live in their own private space while

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remaining surrounded by supportive neighbors, friendship, and quiet New England charm. Um, >> I've actually seen that. They had a show on that. It was awesome. >> Yeah. They focus on simple living, shared gardens, walking trails, fire pits, porch conversations, community

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dinners, and a stronger sense of belonging beneath Maine's calm evening skies. Um, and as usual, some people think it's a wonderful idea and others say, "Oh, no,

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you know, this is not going to work." you know there's a lot of you know a lot of dissension so um you know and they had a picture of >> a neat idea to be honest I think it's a really I mean we made mobile home bu we made villages and mobile home like town

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country right I mean what's what's to [snorts] say we can't have a little tiny tiny home area like I think it's I think it's something to think about people also don't want huge places anymore like again they again sometimes it's just one person and So, I think it's always nice to think outside.

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>> That's what I was thinking about for Maple Street. I really think that there would be an opportunity to build something like that in there because there's not a lot of acreage. So, it wouldn't be a huge development. It's right downtown and it's not very far to

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the grocery store. >> So, I think I think it could work. Um going back to the housing production uh the housing um mass housing partnership the um

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keynote speaker is going to be Dr. Tiffany Manuel, president and CEO of the case made an organization dedicated to helping leaders advocates and communities build stronger public support for social change. Um,

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so this is a housing institute on June 25th and 26 at the DCU center in Worcester. >> I couldn't I think I I >> So it sounds um, you know, sounds worth people's time to

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try and attend that. >> Um, okay. So, I just When are you guys going to take up um renewals of >> We just did it, but we didn't The only ones we did not approve was um the

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planning board. Not the plane, but the ZBA. >> Okay. >> So, ZBA is the only one we didn't approve because Kim thought the dates were incorrect. >> Okay. All right. So, that means I was reappointed. >> You were reappointed. Good. >> All right. Um I don't know about Paul.

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This says his expired last year, but I thought he went in, but he's also just texted me and said that he was out of town. Um, just got back.

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Time to find a new guy, I guess. A never because Paul's so knowledgeable about how >> Well, that's what I love having him here because he is so knowledgeable. >> Yeah. And Sheily, yours apparently did expire, but now that you're switching roles. >> Switching roles. I did. Yeah. I have to

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be I by the end of this month, I have to um >> Yeah, >> I have you were renewed last year, right? >> I believe I did like almost exactly a year ago. I think I signed on. >> That's a three-year appointment. So that would take you to um 28.

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>> Yeah. >> Very good. >> And I'm Yeah. And I got to go in and talk to them. I just have to get reappointed for before the 30th. I have another Well, I'm here all the time, but I'll be I'm going to do that um when I come back in next week. >> Okay. So, at one of our meetings, I

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think it was in March, um we were talking about setting up a process for an outside group to approach the trust for money and I said, you know, we had had a request before, but

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we we told them that we had no no procedure in place. So Eric offered to investigate and I think before the meeting was over he had it he he um he

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used AI and um he put together this proposal uh it's called funding request review guidelines and um and I had put on note on here we're going to review it in June but um and I thought Well, maybe

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we should we should push that off. Um, since I hadn't first of all, I didn't put it on the agenda and second of all, I wasn't sure if everybody had had a chance to to look at that. >> I think it's a great idea at least to have some guidelines for it because >> well, it's necessary because we do

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anticipate that we will have some groups and I I don't want to have to turn them down simply because we haven't done our job in putting together a proposed. There are some really great opportunities for us if we could, you know. I think >> Yeah. So, um,

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>> do you have have this or have you seen it? >> I haven't seen it from him. I can ask him. >> No, no. I can I can um I probably have the email that it came in. Okay. I'll send that to you. >> Do you Did you get that? >> I I remembered seeing it. It's in my

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email somewhere. It's probably been about three months now, but >> Okay. Maybe it was right after our March meeting. >> Okay. Then I think I might have read it and I think I might have glazed it then because I think I remember seeing something after the March. Okay. It was after the March meeting. I can

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>> Yes. Yeah. He sent it right after that. I mean it was like overnight he had put this together and I was so impressed. I'm like >> I think it was great. I mean honestly I think it's important. >> Yeah. I agree. I agree. All right. Um,

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I think the last order of business, unless you have other things, is that um we have to make an appointee to the CPC for um housing. Um, and Sheila had been

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our our representative. Sheila, [clears throat] are you willing to continue? >> I can if you want me to. >> Is that allowed since you're now a select? >> Well, that's why I I probably need to ask. >> Okay. Would you want to do it or do you Nick >> Nick you want to do it? Do you want to

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do CPC? >> When when is it? >> It doesn't meet all the time. It only meets really um f like probably five times it five times in a year. And it really is when we get the um initially

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it's when we get the um I can't even talk right now. >> The first request. >> Yeah. the first request and then we go over them and then like it's like three meetings to make sure that kind of like they've done what they need to do and we don't really do much because the people have to do really what they're doing

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like the first meeting is like is it can it be can CPC funds really be used for this request >> and we go over that and then it's okay >> maybe the pool app >> the full app and then and then what they do is they go back and ask any questions

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or anything like we'll say yes it can be but like more questions have to be asked or something has to be done. So they finish it up and then and then they come back to us. So it's like three meetings total to really then finally say yes. Um it usually met on I want to say it was

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like >> Thursday night >> Thursday night right after this meeting at 6:30. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's it's just reviewing all of the applications, like she said, to make sure that they're appropriate and then you have to see if

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there's sufficient uh money to to fund them. And if you have uh conflicts, then you have to figure out is there enough money because there's there's the buckets, you know, that so you've got a housing bucket, you've got a recreation

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bucket, um you've got a historical >> historical commission. Yeah, the historical Yeah. >> And then there's the general fund, I think. So that 10% of whatever money the the uh taxes raise um goes into those

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buckets and then the rest goes into the general fund. So first you have to pull the money from the bucket the appropriate bucket and then if there's not enough money in there is there sufficient funds in the general and then overall is there enough money to pay out

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all the projects. So, the money comes in every year. Um, taxpayers pay an additional amount for the CPC. We're at 1%. We started out at 3%. Now, we're down to one. >> Yeah. >> Um, and then, um, initially there was a

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thought of, you know, saving money for a really big project, but that's not really the point of the CPC. The money is there to be dispersed. It's not to be held. So I think the the current chairperson

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understands that um and isn't sitting on a big amount of money, >> right? So it's like we've been preserving like the burial grounds or um the boat house or you know you know we've been trying really hard to like keep history, you know, and uh and it's great. I mean I don't I can stay on it

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if they allow me to. If not and they say no, then we'd probably have to reassess that then. But I don't mind staying on because I'm already Okay. >> Doing it. Um I just have to know if I can do it based on being a select thing, >> right? Yeah. We we don't want to

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>> I can ask I'll ask them. >> I actually would email them right now and ask them. >> Okay. And she serve and the town clerk's office should be able to tell you. >> I was just going to ask town if I could. Yeah.

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>> But Nick, if you have a burning desire, let us know. We'll do. [laughter] >> All right, that is all I had um tonight for the for the meeting. Okay. Um the next question is do we want to

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have a meeting in July or do we want to skip a month or do and um resume in September? Um do you feel there's anything that we need to stay on top of at this point? You know, we can always

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schedule a meeting if we find that there's >> That's what I'm thinking. I think maybe we if we need to schedule one definitely like if something goes wrong and Tom meeting or something goes on that we think hey let's get get on this like if you get somebody wanting to meet with us

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regarding >> oh yeah >> you know what day we meet right >> otherwise >> otherwise yeah if we feel like we don't I don't think we have to we'd like to see these guidelines definitely >> get on the books >> well if we give a give this summer to review those maybe in September >> September we can get them

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>> I think that's Perfect. >> How you feel about that, Nick? >> A good plan. >> Is that okay? >> Yeah, that's fine with me. >> Okay. So, then our first our next meeting would be um September. Come on.

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September. >> It' be the first Thursday, right? >> Sour. >> Um >> the fourth. Third. >> Third. September 3rd. Okay. >> Would be September. Does that work with vacations? And

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>> yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm not going away because getting kids back into school. >> Well, it's funny because the kids go back to school with the Wednesday, the second, >> and then literally the eth the 7th is Labor Day. It's so late this year. Labor Day is so late. >> All right. >> Yeah, we're good. I'm good with the third. So

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I guess the question arises as to if we met later um in the evening would that make it easier for the two of you because I know Nick you were you were rushing to to get home to do the meeting

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and I know you often >> Yeah. So I usually have the Pilgrim Collaborative at at 6 the first Thursday of the month. Mhm. >> I don't know if that will change next year. So, um I can keep it at five for now. I'd like to come in. I think I will

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be able to come in more now that I'm coming in here anyway. So, I just need to leave the building better because I have to leave my building like get the cape get from the gate. But, I think I can. >> Okay. So, >> what about you? Was that okay for 5:00 for you or? >> Yeah, you know, five works for me, but I

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know the two of you are still working and have other obligations. So, I don't want to stress people out by trying to get to a meeting by a certain time if it's, you know, >> Yeah. So, so long as Zoom is an option, um, that's fine with me. It's it's a

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little tougher to come in in person on a Thursday at 5 now. Um but um I'll do do my best. Um but yeah, >> keep it at five and appearing on Zoom is is going to work for me no matter what.

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>> Yeah. Um as far as I know, we're going to be um >> Oh, I haven't heard anything about them. >> You know, from this point on. So >> I haven't heard anything from the state about changing that. >> No, I don't either. And I don't think it would be to their advantage to change it. >> They would really have people not be

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happy. right now. >> Yeah. I mean, this this gives us a little flexibility so that we can have >> it's nice when you when you get started in case I you know something happens I'm like, "Oh, I can jump on which is great." >> Yeah. Okay. But if at any point people want to

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change the time or the date, please let me know. Also, um July 1st is when boards normally reorganize. So that will be the first item in September would be reorganization.

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So that means everybody has to think about whether or not they'd like to take over as chair. And believe me, I'd gladly give it up. So [laughter] >> we'll make Paul do it if he comes back. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh the other thing is, you know,

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I'm trying to to run the the meeting and do the minutes, >> right? I don't mind like either way because I do take a lot of I do take a lot of notes myself, >> but you're you're piling a lot of stuff on right now. >> I don't mind taking minutes. Like I don't mind taking minutes because I I do tend to take minutes. So I think if you

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are going to say chair, I'll definitely help you help you with the minutes. I just feel like it is a lot to do both at the same time. It's a little disruptive and I'm not sure I always capture the essence of some of the >> I started taking notes just so I could see because it is true because you just >> Yeah, >> they need a lot to figure out.

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>> That's why I ask you to really look at the minutes carefully. Um I'm sorry I got them out late this time. I usually try and get them done right after the meeting while it's still fresh in everybody's mind. >> It's hard. >> It's hard to do both. It is, you know, um and and to be as thorough as you

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probably should be. Um, I tend to just I'm a >> get to the point. >> That's what it is, you know, like I feel bullet points. >> Yeah. You know. >> Yeah. All right. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?

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>> A motion to adjurnn. >> I second. >> All right. We need a voice vote. Nick. >> Nick. I. She'll >> I. All right. Thank you.