open up the March for um so commission is meeting Elaine I bill I ran Dono I okay so let's go into meeting minutes did everyone get a chance to read or you want to Klick it to the next meeting if you could please bet we have
high copies in front of us sure okay I and I just make sure I didn't miss some of them were done like by that the computer and I wasn't clear what they were updated did it like it was just speaker I don't know if we have to okay
there was one that I didn't correct speaker one speaker two yeah and I just wasn't sure how that fix that and I'll send it in all right did you use I'm sorry HEI you use yes I Ed the transcripts from the um actual
local oh is that what this is all about oh who we talking about that I it's a good idea it really works great it's a good idea that was information of G to edit it and that was when I didn't know if you would edit it I missed the fact that it
was and then the transcript yeah if you hit the transcript it gives you all all of the wording and then on the bottom you can listen to it audio very good ni Time Saver yeah so go get
to next just to clarify yeah all right okay so we'll do that uh commitments 35 River Street first pipe 47,000 gallons yeah that had to have been a surprise and it was minus 7 degrees or
whatever it was really cold I just I thought of that I said what a poor guys whoever that was person this do we have an adjustment amount for them um what the water department is doing is dis charging them the service charges only and they're
forgiv the 47,000 gallons because of the extenuating circumstances and what are the extenuating circumstances um the gentleman was has been in a care facility since the summer with property experienced a freeing the
pipe for December 24th the for will called up shut off the water with bir okay because I just I just don't see a write up that's why I we have River that's 35 River that's a
little right up that Stacy did oh my apolog okay yeah um well they never came into a system right the ground so right entertain a
motion I'll make that motion to make the adjustment for the water charge to our SE charge to follow suit with the water department suit okay I'll second it I'm sorry okay so
the Motions to um bring the usage amount down to zero and I'll just clarify the Motions to the 47,000 gallons that never like Bill just said never C to our system so we never treated it so there was no real cost on our end yeah Okay so we've got a second
all in favor okay um final sewer commitment $715 35 just a final reading y we just need a motion on
that I'll make that motion till we uh approve this final amount of $75. 35 for address 42 summer 42 summer it's on here yeah
42 all second all in favor I okay okay um how about update from superintendent like it's a manath on lightly but it always is uh a couple things I'd like to bring up and and it's not a specific property but U it's more
on general terms the accessory dwelling units yes um I've been asked by a couple different people about how we're going to address how we want them to tie into the existing system um and I guess if you guys have
any thoughts on that my thoughts were depending on property if it's possible to tie the existing tie into the existing s lateral before it leaves their property instead of tying out into a new location in the
street I agree with that didn't think could come in they can intersect it with a Y you know as it goes from the front of the building come around or whatever they need to do in some cases they may be able to come in from the out build if it's an out building and come into the
existing building and still have the gravity feed and then there's they don't have to dig up the whole yard to get to that come out the existing service you can't really see drawback unless backed up into the W and back up into the house it's back up into both
houses so I'm not super clean CLE on how these accessory dwelling units are supposed to these These are the detached on but if it's part of the main house say it's going to expand the house so if it's a detached unit and you've got family in
the original House Is it supposed to be just family in these dwelling units well that was going to be my question that might be something later on that it isn't but they can't but they can't separate it's one water line coming in
one water me so there's one one stub coming out but it's the out building main house that's all owned by the one ownership property that they're not going to be breaking up into condos well and that was my question I think that that approach is good unless it the
accessory unit can be sold if that's the case then they they have to tie in and they have to pay a p him and grab fun right same thing with the water dep bot you add another water stone to your property water unit you pay the $4,800 to tie in as but that would have to be on a separate lot right so they'd have
to subdivide the lot and all that so the intent of the accessory dwelling is to supposedly for family you know a mother-in-law whatever you're downsize but there's still the opportunity to rent it which is perfectly fine as long as you like you said it's under the one
ownership you're lower your real so if there were a problem in the main house with the sewage and then it backed everything up to it's all it's all one continuous building as far my mind's ey yeah something happened on the front you have to repair it anyways so then looking at
it then you my understanding you're you find whether it comes into the existing house and out or if they bring it around bring it around and I I'm wondering if they're doing an accessory and it's a separate building they're going to have to have an engineer involved I would
think so probably go through the building department and all that stuff they'll have to show you an engineered drawing coming from this building to this building and where they can intersect then and then go it that way or they going to come out around alongside the and tie into y in the
front that I think there's a million variations you can't sell it you U I am seeing already in other towns okay that they're being sold at I'll give you an example okay I happen to just be in the
take a house the reedom house put the accessive development unit back here take off so many feet of this house so it becomes the accessory de development unit and this becomes the permanent house that's one game I just I'm in the middle of right now
okay the other phase of that same lot is when they get this second lot the really intend is the second lot gets done to becomes a a real three family three-bedroom house then they'll subdivide it and they'll
keep this and not cut it off so this is in another town but well they are I mean they overlap that's the problem we that not the problem but this is the condition I don't have a problem with any of this more houses the better so that's but I'm
just saying that there those kind of things so now if you take that thinking um go back to the engineer I think any accessory to develop me you should be designed as much as possible as a separate Standalone to the extent you know not have it come through a house
have you know have it have a separate outside kind of a like that would be the priority or the or the our guidance preferred method you know but let let's you know what I'm saying so we don't have this we're not going back and fighting for separating when they come
back with this other thing just say listen we would like to have it first of all if this house is gravity this house be gravity make sure that the foundation's high enough even it's in the backyard bring the house up fire up make sure the flow line is such you can have a gr line we don't have E1 pumps
involved and if you want it but now if you get an E1 pump you going to buy it for that new accessory unit there's a whole bunch of scenarios yeah um do we need Case by case you're gonna have to look at every one right input and thought so when I do get
the question how does board feel about you know these situation so there's one uh that's the accessory dwelling unit would be way in the back and down at the lower elevation so they would need same
p and that I assume all be on them and have to tie it up into main property which which which then would gravity feed so they would actually come into the main building to pump up the main building get into this system and
then the grav beat up from there these was if they come around the front they put a y in they I don't know if is that doable because that pump's going to be under high pressure or higher pressure and with the gravity heat coming out of the house we had
something similar to this probably 10 years ago it's a was a house on Main Street it was a front house they had enough in the back they made a they called it a condo and they wanted to tie in the back back three-bedroom condo and
to the front line and we said no because that back unit could be sold independent of the first one so they had to come all the way from the back up M to do the exact same thing and ex it's separate so
that's that's why I'm asking if it's something that can be in the case you're talking about the I think we're discussing if you have a house that's gone a gravity now yeah I agree with you you don't want to stop putting a force M into a house that may it eventually back
up so in that case I would say put the put a new stub a new a new chimney sub whatever into the into the sewer so you don't have any of those problems you know again this you can see the criteria I think that it's gravity definitely PR
preferable gravity in separate units um if you have an E1 pump that goes separate into the pipe and um they're keeping them separate making anticipating they're going to sub anticipating somewhere down the line you
have a lot with with decent size line you put a building behind it you still have front it for both of them there's no reason why you can't conu that yeah and separate the building that was so then in that case if it looks like you can do it yeah they may have to even something stub it yeah I'm thinking
anything with any one pump if they if the main house doesn't have a pump and the other one does like you just described that's a def you know just cuz then you start put start talking about okay do I want a check valve in the pipe in the pump coming out of the main house so it doesn't back up or do I have you
know and then get away from that just okay just your job our job is it's separate go right in there they have to get a street cutting permit they got to do all that kind of stuff question for you when when we were talking about the
conding of the building behind yes did they pay for separate stuff and separate bment fee yes they did okay yes right there they went straight to that right that was a yeah that was a three bedroom I mean I can see if it's a
one-bedroom dwelling that from a bedman perspective it would be based on bedrooms charic get you know if the main house has four bedrooms already this is a fifth then we charge for it it's a three I fourth then there would be I
would think based on our rules right now it's a wash as long as it's in Phase One and phase two yeah I mean any any that meets the just the original plan doesn't have a get a betterment for some reason but they pay for any of the sewer connections and they pay for the E that's legitimate but yeah because
Kingston's not I'm gonna I don't know if Kingston has expanded the the regulations or not because I think it really comes down to is if if that lot's going to be um able to be sold okay
because accessory dwelling to Kingston around for a wild but it's always been couldn't go over 22% of the overall square foot of the main house it had to be like one bedroom okay couldn't really you couldn't put in two bedrooms because if the main house was x amount of square feet unless that
was a massive house to begin with and usually they were all attached to the buildings yeah now they're allowing them to to to out build them yeah include them as well maybe zoning or building can give us some guidance on what their regulation is is to give us a better
yeah I think everything's happening right relatively quickly and no one's really come up against it to know how to address the 900 square feet is the key it's all it can't be more than 900 square feet the 900 was that was 900 900
yeah 900 that's as big as it can be once you go over that it's a whole different ball game okay unless they change they had a larger percentage of 900 no the new R now the new r that just 900 so they've thank it can't be a lot of
bedrooms I served on the planning board under the special perit for accessor oh did you yeah I was one of the first people in town to put one in first 10 people oh okay my in-laws see that's exactly yes the
intent I'll treat it as an individual basis at this point but with all that information I'll at least have something to explain to the person I would prefer it to be individually brought out but uh look at it on Case by case because it it does add quite a bit more money right to
then add on and then they're cutting into our main cutting into the streets right are they are they allowed off of one Frontage piece they have two to tie into the one stone why would you make them cut into it um I think in the nook they've done
some of the other um bages that went back behind the property that they Ted and V and it came without cutting into it's gravity that's yeah yeah Close Enough by the time you get close to the street they're all
orang orang should be independent the um laterals running out um from the edge of the property line to the main of 6 in 6 in yeah that's even better I was thinking the minimum four boy you get problems sometimes with the long run when you can back up the
Stu get stuck in there you know then you if it's really flat if you go go P be flatter that okay all right okay um next item um
Dave Wilson has now been officially uh off of the position of Pump Station operator he's been working out of classification for quite a while now so next Board of selectman meeting they're going to give the blessing and that should pass through
with that happening our labor position has been posted so that's internal right now so very good that a little bit of time and then we'll go out the street um our employee that got injured is still out on injury we a slipper ball
issue on some ice a few weeks back and U at this point his next appointment is March 14th so I'll know a little more in a week 10 days something like that 10 days um he went for an MRI to check the
injury just waiting for the follow [Music] up septage we keep taking in a whole lot of septage uh seped Revenue been through the roof
$49,000 oh and it's not even spring in yeah so one of the local towns uh they have a private wastewater treatment plant out at a development and they have issues so they bring in what's typically
that we consider influence so it's not a high B I was going say to me the last time it must be great and they've been coming on a very regular basis oh yes sorry for them but good for us but it takes that stronger stuff and makes it a lot easier to treat yeah you
know and mixing it up together you're not C certainly going to help um and just on another note I will not be here Wednesday Thursday Friday or Monday good for you
I'm and just a question on Dave Wilson he's being promoted from what to what so we hired him as a laborer uh back when Bob Monahan was here um and we were fully staffed he was our labor once Bob left I moved into
Bob's position car moved into my position Jordan moved M into Carl's Luke moved into Jordan's and then there was again we've been waiting for a reclassification we've been waiting for um this was mostly the reclassification
to go through the Loop's position and changing some of the job description once we got all that done I had go through the union some other procedural stuff and it took a little longer than I expected so
when everyone moved up Dave became a working out of classification Pump Station operator and since he wasn't officially in that position we couldn't post a Wess position okay just an autop classification so now that he's moving
out of his out of classification position into the official position now it'll make space but it's been a year ago a year ago November process start they get back paid is that how it
works are they've been being paid out of so once he moved into his autoc classification position which was May of 2023 he started getting his not getting a big retroactive so there's nothing retro at although there was a little
hiccup of an adjustment that had be made but minimum it doesn't our budget issues on this thing okay good so we have another laborer who's been promoted up through the ranks yes yeah and it's been successful all
along everyone's just come from a Labor's position or maybe a lower operative position yeah and moving up for this particular function of the Town that's my opinion is the only
way either know what you're doing coming in from laterally from some other place or even then there not many SBI out there you know but come up from the bottom up you can't have a better opportunity a better situation of training y but you know I don't care if you come
from the crockpot slowly slowly learning about it with such a small small organization that you want everybody to know everybody else's job in that building in case you move you almost have get case in point get some slips on
some ice or yeah something else happen in that program with uh you and Mar weab Bon with Silver Lake you know yeah yeah labor and Shi to that somewhere the night yeah they they already be pre-trained right yeah and um not that
we're ready for it yet but just to keep it on the uh on the horizon we should be looking at U you know getting ready for our town meeting and having our LS prepared um down water closes on the 25th of March okay we have one more
meeting before that yeah the 17th we should have allu tode okay and right now we know that'll be the budget and allocation of the certified free cash and then if anything else between now and then needs
to be put on there yeah we have a pretty good sense of where we are at this point judging by we take all our information given to us by U campling and we know what our budget is what our revenues were for from the
water side and septic side so just as far as a betterment numbers we take down from Camp so this so the question still out there about using vment money so we aren't using free caches the least amount we
have to right right right and that's think the preference right right and then the other question that I had is uh so I'm going to try to take that and move go with my committee because that seems like it's as close as we're going to get I know they're stuck in the meeting tonight or
tomorrow on budget stuff and I just don't know if really wish I had the answer this but I don't which just the original article we put in having that and I I I will just say that i' like to keep that on
the table okay just in case as a opportunity an option from the discussion we had about the what this whole idea about additional betterments separate betterments for the leaching field piece right I just think it's fair
to keep all the options on the table I agree and then uh the last point is we were talking about briefly it it came up with um it's related to this is this 40 and where have you had any more feedback
no I I'll send you the last correspondence okay this this is all about just U authorization of our responsibilities and be clarification with the Town Council whether or not we uh well let's
let's let's this it's out there for discussion so I don't want inter did you have I'm just going to bring up uh at the last meeting I mentioned that I would not try to contact Suzanne Richard who was
yeah Jean's paror paror paror whatever and we had a very nice chat and she's very busy with her mother she's got very little time so after talking about history of the world and things going on and how great other was when
she all the stuff she did back in the day with the the original group she said if she would allow give back to me next week and maybe have a half an hour to come in and talk to Jean and just kind of kind of pick each other's brains let
Jean know what she's doing just kind of have a conversation person to person and if Dave needs to come in I don't need to be there none of us need to be but Dave can fill in too and Jean would um and I and I said I hope once you get to the point of KN what Jean's doing uh
and where theyve gotten through and I mentioned Erin and how putting the plan together and she brought up as soon as I said that we have a list of everything we checked everything off we knew exactly what's going on he was like I opened up this door like boom there's a tapable I know it's there he says and it was done until we had no more capacity
to give she says so there's a list somewhere that is accurate at in 2009 did she leave do you know what you're working off yes that's the one she said that so if were able to show her that list she's going to say this is the
right list so this is whatever it is and this is and she knows there were no more better there were no more betters there not we out of capacity it was that's it and then that might help go back help you go back to like okay with Aaron okay now we know we have a database that's
actually right and then okay where's the money that fits into these holes you know just will this help I think so she was willing to do that I thanked her for that yeah just uh when we were in a department meeting the other
day he just provided me what we had last year for articles one of them was closure of the unex unexpended articles there were a bunch that we kind of cleaned up got rid of that was small kind of combined them and cleaned up the older ones and that sort
of thing so I don't imagine we'll be wrestling with that this year it's just a regular budget surplus Reven and see if there's anything of the um certified free cash that if there's something you feel you need to use it for so when we
do the language for the article it would be included or so we still have like a million in article money a million million iuse um roughly that was $88,700
some of it for the collection system yeah it was the evaluation to see how the interior of the pipes were as far as a corrosion assessment yeah spare pump Mario drive that had to get rebuilt couple of spare pumps
the in the collection system the a valves having the pump trucks come by pass the station place repail so some of that came out of that article okay good I think there were some of there roughly was it 87,000 or something like that originally in that article for the
slection system somewhere in that range actually look like the balances when I looked at overall um we're at [Music] like million okay not one point
yes you sure we can't move the decimal on the power of zero in the right spot to make your break um do you are you good yes okay do you have an update with you and Aon so
Erin has been doing fabulous getting through another book tomorrow I'm GNA spend time going through the books um with the different discrepancies because we flagged them and try and just get those on a spreadsheet and just have
kind of a patent of what going on okay um the other thing me and Dave were discussing about uh backing into the betterments and the totals so we decided that we would just take the wastewater treatment plant those connections and
work those um and there have been some discrepancies like of like $10,000 um I have a couple more places that I'm going to look and I'm pulling all the fire just to see exactly on the spreadsheets it says what
was charged what wasn't but even when you come up with the interest including it or not including it it just doesn't come up to that initially charged um the other thing that I found is that on the
treatment plant expansion a most of the properties have like four different codes that are being used yeah and swp scon one scon 2 s SW P3 so it's like the initial payment of like
$11,000 was the S WP and then yeah every every property that was connected because of a project phase one phase two plan expansion um we were able to char you know we were able to charge half of the
estimated project up front so that was one charge code because we needed to get Revenue while the project was being built and then when the project was finalized we had the exact project number and then they would charge the difference to make up the full betterment amount so that's
two charge codes so every property in a project has two charge codes if they purchased additional capacity they'd have another charge code so there are there's a there's Apostles with numerous charge codes and then what I'm trying to do is put together a cheat
sheet so it we say okay on this project these are the charge codes that you should see these are where they feed into so you kind of can just map it all out go this way in and this way back so very good now did how many books are
there seven and how many three she's gone through almost four oh yeah she was at two and a half the other day when I was here so that's good that's speed and lock you just reminded me when I was talking she goes I said
about people you mentioned the people that took vment off for res you know all that says and and and I said she goes to me don't you remember you mean me she goes they started doing that when you in like 2002 and you said no and he got
really I got really pissed off apparently I don't remember this but no you can't do that you either pay it you don't this is that sound famili yes because I do remember that a previous department head would remove the betterments if you were going to
refinance would remove them then the refinancing would go through and they'd put them back on again we stopped it then I said apparently apparently it snuck back in somewhere between that and now right because it was still going on
when I came on not maybe as frequently but it was still going on when I got on in 2004 and that's when we took over complete control of it all recording them everything at the registry to make sure because I was even
asked to sign blank clean releases yeah well that's always good and um that's when the commission decid we we'll that's how we got to manage it all well you'll see that it's a Common Thread you're like no no no no it's hard
enough tracking you can look into thousand things you thousand things with 10 different variations in a thousand it could really hard deal but the with of the registry of deeds you can follow it and you can see like this deed was the lean was removed
and then you see a mortgage or another bank coming in and the date correspond and then all of a sudden eight years later a lean release is being done and it's like so it it's been a lot of like back and forth verifying all the
information so a huge rabbit it's that second or third one one that wouldn't necessar be on our records if we thought it was cleared up and all of a sudden there 8 Grand somewhere and it goes where who knows if it was on the right list it'd
come right to where it was supposed to be and that's that's exactly what I'm sure you're I worry about that's oh come on yep all right good that's we're all getting to the right answer just longer
than we all thought it would take just so it's it's tedious and it's time consuming remember I said this before I just have to say it again just I'm gonna you know I could die tomorrow so no one my favorite saying on everything I've ever done from the time I was probably 20 no one ever said it'
be easy I say that to myself because it's just like you know get over it this keep going Li oh okay um I didn't explain executive session clear enough to jeie I I wanted
to discuss the results of our last executive session but it we we have to post it differently so that won't be tonight um I think we have the betterman update I think that's all I have I don't have
anything else Bill Good Brian think I'm almost set okay you make two two more weeks okay unless you meeting necessary two weeks it'll be fine make motion toour second that all
in favor all right all right by