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I'll call that meeting to order. Listen, the reason that I uh changed the meeting uh to Tuesday was to accommodate our newest member, Lauren, and she has a commitment on Monday evenings at the town of Duxbury.

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And I wanted to put a motion before the board that uh on a regular basis we continue on this Tuesday schedule unless anyone has any conflict uh any anything like that. Give it a second, we can talk about it for a little minute or two and >> I'll give you a second.

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>> Okay. So, that's that was the reason why the motion would be to change our meeting night to uh to uh Tuesday. Um and unless anybody got any commitments that would it's all the same to everybody else. It was all the same to me, frankly. So,

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anybody else want to weigh in on that? Including you, Rosemary. Good >> Hey, nice to see you. >> Okay, we got you here. There's a motion on the floor and seconded to uh permanently change our meeting night to Tuesday to accommodate our newest member, that being Lauren.

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And um we're going around now to the various members to make sure nobody has an existing conflict with the potential change. >> Um is it still the first and third Tuesdays? >> Yes, it would be. >> Yeah, I think that's okay. Yes. >> You sure? Okay.

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>> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Okay. Um well, no, we've done this in the past when we've had members who you know, had a conflict with their service and uh this isn't something that we've never done before. We've done it in the past. >> right.

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>> Yeah, unless anybody has any reason not to, you know, and uh so far we like Lauren, so >> [laughter] >> We do. We like her. >> Yeah, but if you know, if we start to not like it, we'll just go back to Monday nights and then we won't have to see her. >> Mhm.

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>> [laughter] >> Anybody else got anything? >> I have a choice. >> Choice. >> I would like to point out that this may benefit the department as a whole. Um it is evident that budget cuts are definitely going to be on the

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floor for next fiscal year. And but I have holding it on Tuesday nights, one it reduces my overtime um because it will occur during when we would be here. And and I do want to let the um

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board know that we have coverage for the hour that we will be closed. >> Uh I've already discussed it with Annie our nurse and she will do whatever whenever we have a meeting, she will just switch her um hours for that day so

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that she can cover the 5:00 to 6:00. Not that we're getting a ton of people, but that way the department is still open. There is no um There's no problem with the public we're not in invading on their ability to come to the to the um So, it makes sense fiscally

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and we've got the coverage of the office to get out as well. >> Very good. >> Anybody else? >> I should be able to move my schedule around. >> You can do that? >> Sure. >> Okay. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Okay.

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And present not voting. Okay. So, moving on. >> Speaking of the committee >> I got a few bills. I'll pass them around. >> I'll make a motion. >> Yeah, thanks. >> I can make a motion

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to accept the meeting minutes for June 1st 2026 as presented. >> I'll second. >> Any discussion? Everybody has looked at the minutes. Nobody sees any changes or anything. Everything good?

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>> Everything good as always. Thank you, Lori. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. Rosemary, you've looked at the minutes, so okay? >> Aye. Yep. >> Okay. Okay. Um so we got the health agency report. Joyce, you're on.

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>> So um couple of things um halfway through the hoarding certification that it's a 12-week class, so I'm halfway through it. Um the grant was able to cover the the cost of it, so that was good.

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Um it is absolutely worth the to learn and other health agencies, absolutely worth them taking it. I think that it will uh help how we deal with hoarding cases going forward. Some of the paradigms

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have changed since my years uh as a therapist. It's they've really come a long way, and so although our job is to ensure that the public health safety, there are ways that we can deal with it that are probably going to be long term

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more effective than just going in and saying you got to clean your house. That's been really good. Um Septics are pretty steady right now, nothing crazy. We will have a variance uh coming up on

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the August meeting. I haven't got all the paperwork that I'm going to be presenting in front of you yet. Uh and then in addition I closed down Dollar Tree uh due to a pest control issue.

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Um they were closed last this previous Monday. Um uh excuse me, a week ago this Monday after it was just became evident that that's what needed to happen in order to get the situation under control. So, I

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have been literally making week daily visits to the get updates, progress updates, and make sure things are staying on track and to make sure that store management and upper management is aware that we are looking at it, number one, and number two, that I am around

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should the situation be rectified that would allow them to open, I will reopen the store as quickly as possible, but they're doing everything that they can right now. Um, so, that's sort of where we're at a holding pattern now until

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the rest of the stuff gets cleaned up and moved and so, that's where we're at with that. >> Was there a complaint? >> Uh, it started out with a mold >> So, they were thinking just like a leak >> out with a mold complaint. When I went

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there to look check out what the customer was talking about who called me from inside the store, but and was still there when I got there. Uh, it progressed from there. There really was not a huge issue with mold. They had removed some refrigeration units that

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were no longer functioning and it looks like, you know, it's wet staining on the back. It did not to me appear There's no test for it anyway, but they were cleaning it up. They were actively in the process of removing things and repairing the wall, so that was not of concern,

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but as I'm walking around the back storeroom became of concern and so that's how the whole thing started. Um, so, that's where we're at. Inspections are going well. Through the grant we have contracted with Alsco, which is a very

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well-known agency that does food inspections. They've already been in town. They're doing a great job. I have been out doing some inspections as well. Um So, we're on track with meeting the requirements for everybody to be

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inspected and um We have had one issue. We had a business owner who owns a truck who has not been permitted to run the truck. We have repeatedly sent

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reminders. We have gotten incomplete paperwork. That's correct, right? The first time it was incomplete. >> Um things missing. We were waiting. >> He had a couple things missing, but yeah, he's all set. >> Yeah. Um and so we scheduled the um

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inspection for a couple weeks out cuz we literally just got it and my schedule was full. Says it on the permit that um it's a month processing time because we brought this truck back in February.

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So, the fact that this person um keeps advertising that they are going to be at the Puddle Street Truck Show. I had to go down 2 weeks ago now um to make sure they were not there because I would have issued a cease and

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desist. Um it has been I've spoken directly with the Southshore Food Truck Association say um why do you keep posting that this person's going to be there? They are not licensed. And she and the person that runs it, Katie,

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said, "Well, he keeps saying he's, you know, getting" I said, "Let me tell you, as soon as he gets his permit, we will send you an updated list like we do every time somebody gets a permit." So, um apparently after he turned his paperwork and was

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given a date, he called the health code to ask for them to do First he tried to say, "Well, I've been inspected in Plymouth." Don't care that you were inspected in Plymouth. Um Then he called Elsco cuz he found out that Elsco's doing some of our inspection. Um

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They do not do our truck inspections. I do the truck inspections. And so he's trying to circumvent uh Elsco was smart enough to say, "Nope, have to deal with the town." So I'm just letting the board know that um you know

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There was a policy for a reason and failure to plan is not an emergency on the department's side. Um We have more pressing issues that need to be addressed than that and especially

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because we have How many emails would you say we've >> We've sent several. >> over the course of months to get this done. So I just want to put it on everybody's radar that that is what we're doing there. >> So not for nothing >> Mhm.

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>> Why does it take um a couple weeks? How long does it take to do a food truck inspection? >> A good 20 minutes, half an hour depending on what's on it and >> And we can't possibly help this local business do business? >> We have helped this local business do

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business. >> what we should do because we are they are part of our community. >> I understand that. We have That is when I can do it based on what my schedule is. I am currently doing the classes. I have septic

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inspections. I have perk tests. I have food inspections that need to get done because we lost our last this been a if a period of time from the last inspector to what we get in and I am and I was out so I am That's I have everything

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scheduled out and it's not like it's a month out. >> I totally appreciate that, but I'm also hearing from the town that we are not very friendly, approachable department right now. And >> know why. We're we're getting everything done and nobody's waiting for anything.

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>> Okay. But that's what I'm hearing. >> Okay, well my my thing is I would like a specific example as to who's waiting for what cuz if I I'm >> I didn't say waiting. I said that we are not friendly and approachable. >> Okay, well I don't know what the issue

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is. >> You know, but this is this would go along with the being friendly and neighborly. You know. >> excuse me? >> Go back. >> How about this? If in fact somebody's waiting

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for an inspector of any kind and you can't accommodate them for a period of time. >> Mhm. >> Would there be a burden in any way to say I I'll schedule you for this day. >> And if something comes up, absolutely.

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No, we've done >> That's all I'm asking. >> Yeah, no we've done that. And literally what was Monday? Was it Monday? And it's not even two weeks I think he schedules beginning of August. And he literally what was Monday? Was it Monday? And it's not even two weeks I think he schedules beginning of August. And he literally what was Monday? Was it Monday? And he literally what was Monday? >> No.

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But things happen and if all of a sudden something else cancels, you have to pick up the phone and say by the way >> Yeah. >> That's all I'm asking. >> Yeah, and but I have a receipt that we're not approachable cuz we >> Well, we don't have to have an issue.

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>> By the book doesn't make a total difference. Well, you know, I understand holding the line when it comes to by the book. But we also need to be a department that people can come to and feel comfortable coming to. Okay?

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And that's all I'm saying. You know, and if we're like, well, you didn't do your something like we wanted you to, so we're going to make you suffer. Oh, wait. No, no, we don't is the impression that I'm getting from what you just said. >> No, no, we are not No, we're not That's not what I'm saying. So, if I give you that

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impression, I'm sorry. We open up the trucks because they have the jamboree where everybody wants to go. >> If we could get everybody to the jamboree, we would not run into these issues. >> No, and that's fine. But, we But, there's also been, I would say, a handful of people that, for whatever

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reason, couldn't go to the jamborees. And we got everybody or I got everybody done within >> Yeah, I did. >> within 3 weeks after the jamboree. So, it's not like people are waiting. And some people weren't ready. So, that's

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>> Fair enough. >> Okay. >> Do they come here to do >> Yeah. Yeah. But, if if you couldn't make it to the jamboree, cuz I don't know, we were there for the whole day. >> You know that how I do it. I do the schedule in fire department. >> Yeah.

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>> That's what we do because they got to get the propane done. So, we we coordinate with admin and say, "Hey, they're scheduled for this time." And fire just sends somebody down to look at We they don't make them go. That's why we're doing it. So, there's one stop.

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You come here, you get everything done. You don't have to go back up to the fire department, especially for the out-of-town trucks that are coming from out of state. We try and make it, you know, so that it's just You're coming here one time. So. >> And this process started in February. >> Well, yeah, because for the jamboree,

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but they don't have to do that. >> So, outside of food trucks, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Outside of food trucks, >> Yeah. >> if a member of the board is from a resident or business person >> Yeah. >> that they're trying to get an inspection

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and they're dissatisfied, whatever, that member of the board can confidently say that every effort is being made to get them the best service we can and I'm sure that if something cancels in the meantime >> Absolutely. >> Yeah, and that's I think really what the

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board members >> know I mean it's not like we get a ton of people >> I understand. >> saying no, I can't. Right. >> thing. I'm just saying that's all. If we can make that statement >> No, and just so you guys know, I mean like today I was I'll

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I yesterday I did I think four different places plus a Dollar Tree and who did I was did I was I at a bar Oh, septic. I did I had a septic inspection. Um so and you anybody can see my calendar. I mean I Lori I'll tell

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you I put everything in there. >> No one's asking any of >> We don't doubt it because we know we keep you very busy, Joyce. >> No, but you know, we are making an effort to get things done in a timely >> Moving on. >> Okay.

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Um so the other thing we have on here was we need some clarification cuz after the fact of the which which Yeah, thank you. Republic. I couldn't think of the name of the um company. After the whole thing with Republic, we

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managed to find that you guys had um apparently had a fine of $500 um for septic rubbish haulers is not in compliance and we did double the permit which was

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225. So we want some clarification on >> How far back does this go? >> I don't know. >> Well, you dug it up. Where did you >> Actually, Lori dug it up. >> Lori? >> I'll take on that. So that's I will I will make a a motion to have it be

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>> Double the >> Double the permit fee. Everybody for everybody across >> Across the board. >> For any for >> I will second that. >> Okay, perfect. That just makes it easier and I think that's actually fairer across the board to just say >> We don't have it, it's double the fee. >> Okay, perfect. That makes it

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>> Somebody want to second my motion? Oh, thank you. Oh, thank you. >> All in favor of that policy. >> I. >> I. Those nay. >> I. >> I see you nodding. Okay, I have to hear >> You can hear me? Yes, we can

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Okay. Um and then that's that's it cuz the other two things do you are under discussion not on my my my reports. So I think I touched on everything as far as >> Well, as far as imposing insufficient

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funds on a bad check that's a no-brainer to me. I mean what the whatever the fee is is the fee. The bank sends you back a check and they charge you kind of what? 20 bucks or something? >> I don't know. >> Whatever it is. So if you don't know what it is, I mean

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it's pretty difficult. If you don't know what it is, I don't know what it is. >> Yeah, I thought it was 25. >> 25 dollars? >> So we should just charge >> for a click of the button imagine. >> Then what? I don't know whatever Let's find what we and table this. Find out

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what the fee is that we're >> imposing. >> imposing like No, we're not imposing. That's the thing. >> charged. >> We should >> We're trying to figure out how much we should >> Exactly, but we need to know what >> what the banks are. >> what we're getting charged for these things. >> The guy that should have answered that just walked by.

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>> What what are we getting charged? >> I think he went out into the thunder and lightning. >> Well, it's really >> Yeah. >> All right, so we'll put it on the next one. >> Yeah, then we'll have a number to put on it. >> Okay. >> And now this discussion about rises is

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the time of pumping. That's That's kind of Anybody have any input on this? >> What is your What is your thought? >> Well, we're asking because I get calls from people >> Yeah. >> asking No, no. Um so, some towns, because it's part of

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DEP, the risers are supposed to be within so many inches of grade, and they guys are digging down 2 ft. They're like, "Do we install the risers?" And there are some towns that say, "Right If If somebody doesn't have risers on their

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system, and they're getting it pumped out, um or title five done, risers need to be installed at the time of that." So, I'm putting it out there. You can do whatever >> an opinion about this. >> Okay, you go for it. >> Okay. I'm not going to tell you guys when to change your sheets. I like mine

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washed at least once a week. If somebody wants to dig down 3 ft to their freaking tank to get it pumped, that is their business. Okay? >> That's how I feel. >> Like, the issue becomes the DEP the regulations of DEP

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>> That's a new system. >> Yeah. So, it's on new systems. And if these aren't existing systems, that's their business. It's their property. >> Because it's an older system, so. >> Um I agree. >> I agree with what >> You're looking to make it a rule?

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>> Well, they say they Yeah, they put them up so that >> safety >> uh safety >> Yes, sir. >> I I >> I'm asking because I'm getting asked questions. I really don't care. >> I'm like, >> What do they not do with the digging? >> No, just when the septic company is

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charging and they have to dig your thing. So, I see no sense unless it's >> No, that's fine. I'm just bringing it because I was asked a question. So, I'm like, I will bring it up in this >> It's just we're going to do nothing. >> My personal thought would be that if

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I were in that business I think a responsible systems inspector who had to bring in a small machine to dig the darn thing up I'd say you know hey let's put these on there so we don't have to do this again especially if there's a bill that I can do or

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something along those lines. So I No I understand. Okay. Okay. Okay. Rose Mary you wanted to talk about battery storage units. Pushing it off. We're pushing it off.

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Okay I'm hearing that. Okay I just see your name beside it so Okay. Yeah. Nope. I appreciate that. Well I have something else we can talk about. Well that's good. Well you know I got to make sure >> [laughter] >> So were you guys aware that Clackamas

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County Sheriff's Department is no longer doing well being calls to the elderly? They stopped as of July 1st. So we got no notification of that or at all. Okay so I am hoping that we could invite the senior the director of the

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senior center to come discuss this with us because I really think this is an important No I mean that's just scary. It is. We we don't have a system with the police like the So the county sheriff used to do it because my mom was on their

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system. Now I we text every morning and she lets me know she's alive but she lives alone. Yeah yeah yeah. You know we don't want to be finding people and they've been down for three or four days and rabdomyalisis Let me tell you all bad things that happen when you lay on the floor too long. Right Rosemary?

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>> Right. Yeah. So So does the Kingston Police Department does participate in that though, right? >> I am not aware of who did, but the program has been terminated. >> Is there any reason why they didn't >> I don't know. I only know cuz my mom was getting the phone calls.

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>> That's just cuz they're mothers. >> This was when Heidi and I talked about this earlier. I think the best route to travel is to bring somebody in from the senior center. >> I'll reach out to her and see >> and have a talk with them and see >> Let's figure out what we can do. >> if we can do something, yeah.

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>> Do you want me to invite her to the next meeting or do you want me to have a conversation with her? >> I think we should do both. >> I'd like that. >> We can have a little round table with her and see if we can formulate something between all of us so that we get a good solid plan and make sure these people who are living alone are okay.

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>> At least protect them from her. >> want somebody from the police department? >> No. Just Just No. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> You could reach out to the police department and see what they were doing and see if they have capacity to do anything. But we don't need them to show up. We

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don't have to tie them up with this at this point. So >> Yeah. >> Lauren, you got anything? >> No. Just thank you all for accommodating the meeting night change. Appreciate it. >> No problem. >> No problem.

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>> Happy to do it. Happy to do it. >> I got out of work >> [laughter] >> Shelly, what you got? >> Um I have a little concern about the email that you sent out. That I didn't see that on here so I figured that came in after.

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>> Yeah, it came in after. Um So I emailed everybody uh We received a complaint from a neighbor. And it wasn't that was anonymous. They

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didn't give their name. Yeah. Um and so myself Joe, and MSPCA went out. And there was absolutely not a nothing. Um,

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the guy was doing everything right. Um, pens were appropriate, none of the birds were appropriate either. The yard is remarkably pristine. Um, and so,

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I think he was frustrated that, you know, people he asked him like, I don't know, it was anonymous. And he's like, well, this doesn't seem fair. And honestly, I don't disagree with him. If you um, and he's, you know, like you read in his email,

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if it's a concern of safety, that's one thing. But um we get this a lot. We get a lot of people that will just call and oh, I don't want to give my name. I don't But, you're complaining about

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something and you're not willing to put your name on record. Um, doesn't in my opinion, doesn't quite feel very fair. And oftentimes, it is just a a tit-for-tat neighbor dispute thing. And so, that puts the department

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in the middle. And I understand everything's public record. Um, so, I mean, we can't copy down the number that's on the machine when we write the thing, but it doesn't necessarily tell you who the person is that's making the complaint. So,

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um, I'm just presenting what was presented to me. That's for the board. >> Was this a one-time call or was it numerous calls? >> Yeah, um, to my knowledge, I have never received a complaint about this.

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>> He was just upset that you had to show up at his property and >> No, he was very nice. He did not have a police like you can come anytime. You can you know, I'm well and it was literally not one iota of an issue. Like it was 100%

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MSPCA's like This is ridiculous. Like everything is super clean. Um the birds are well cared for. There's appropriate hutching. Um It was just yeah, so I think part of the problem is that

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Um We are a right to farm community. People have a right to have animals on their property. Doesn't always neighbors don't necessarily always like it. Unless it is a health issue I don't have

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the ability to tell somebody to get rid of their animals. That's not within our scope. >> No. >> Um period. So I think I get with it it may does it isn't even have to be about that. It could be somebody's calling cuz their

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neighbors have bags of trash like the one we got. Um That person was 100% right that there was an issue and the correction order has been issued. >> And they too wanted to stay anonymous and that's why they reached out to me and I think you know that they

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definitely deserve >> I'm not saying we should or shouldn't. I'm just bringing >> I think it's like I think keeping the animate anonymity >> Again. >> Anonymity. >> Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> It come one word, right? Um I think it's very important to have it because

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it allows people in an instance such as the one that you and I discussed that was a valid >> Yeah. >> Um complainant. It allows those people to keep the peace within their home and not feel like they're walking on eggshells in their neighborhood and such.

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>> Or retaliation. >> Yeah. >> Or retaliation. >> I I don't have I'm just >> Right. I thought it was important to present >> the email to you guys. And I can see both sides of it because it is really crappy when you get accused of something that you're not doing.

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And Yeah, we have I have had plenty of situations where it's just neighbors being awful to each other. The Nook is my favorite place for those kinds of issues. There's a lot of

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Exactly. It's It's It's very tight. Yep. And so, yeah, but I thought it was important that you all read that and if people have feedback, but again, we or we take the complaint, we at least

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take the number down. And the complaints get scanned in, so >> Yeah. So, do we ever call back the person complaining and let them know >> on the situation. >> that you know, you found nothing, you saw nothing, you know.

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>> No, if they're anonymous and and I don't even know that we got a number off that one cuz sometimes people they blocked or you can't tell where they're from. >> I mean, I feel we should when people do complain, I feel like we should let them know what the outcome

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was. If they give you the name of >> Well, I can tell you when it's your situation, it goes to Joe cuz I'm out. I'm not getting in the middle of it. >> fine. >> Cuz we're going to wind up in court. >> That is the the other thing that is

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tough. >> So, um >> Do you ever go to other neighbors when you have a complaint other than the person complaining? >> No, cuz it why am I going to involve other neighbors in something that they're not complaining >> No, we're not in the building, okay.

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>> Yeah, not >> It's all good. >> I go out, I look. If If things are compliant, they're compliant. If they're not compliant, direction or issues with areas. >> Somebody calls them and they'll complaining about something. >> Whatever. >> Whatever. Yeah. No, I don't like this

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and this and this and this and this and blah blah blah blah blah. Okay. Um um they keep complaining every week. If you'd like a report, would you like to leave me your email and I'll send you the report after the after I do >> After the investigation. >> Okay.

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Yeah, and I'll ask them for their telephone number and I'll ask them for their name. But if they want to hear feedback on the situation here >> Do we need >> suggesting that we give you their email. If they say no, that's all right. I just wanted to make you aware of it. Done.

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But on the other hand, if I leave you my email, you can send me an email and the email doesn't have to start some big argument on the phone. Well, did you look at this or did you see that or what about this? So, my suggestion would be that. >> We need to let them know that if they give email or telephone number, it's

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part of the public record cuz it goes on the complaint form. >> But if you have to let them know, but this would be yeah. >> cover our butts because they're going to say, well, why why it's on the complaint form. Complaint forms get scanned cuz it's public record. >> I'm just looking at it as a

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>> No, but >> follow-up. >> But a lot of times they're really like if it's nothing, the complaint form like I'll write on the complaint form, um health officer health agent visited property, no violations found. It's like when um >> Bingo. I'd email

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>> they went out. >> So, then they get the email. >> And if it is a you know, small our property, again no animal violations found. Case case is closed. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's all. If they choose to leave you that information, then you'll give them the follow-up. If they don't,

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>> Yeah, I had that question. >> And what we'll do is we'll just scan the complaint form and that will get sent to them because that that's the public record that we're >> Yeah, well, then >> and then they know what was written. >> No, I want to see start using OpenGov. You know, they can access if they want their email attached to it. That links

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to that program. >> See now uh uh Laura's going to take all these great suggestions. >> Well, what I do is typically require a complaint to be filled out on a form. Yeah, they can be anonymous. They can print it at

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home and mail it in if they're not comfortable. But that way you have the document of and then they know if you want to be anonymous, don't put your phone number, don't put in your email, but I cannot follow up with you on that. >> I mean I guess

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>> So they can go through open open gov? >> Yes. >> So they can file it right on open gov. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> In theory. >> In theory. >> But they have an email tied to it. >> Okay. So if they don't want to do that, they print out the form >> and hand write it >> and send it in.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Or drop it off. >> Not yet cuz we don't have it on open gov but when we get it, we'll make sure that that is stated on there. >> Okay. >> Okay. What else you got? >> Next meeting. When do you think that the variance is

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going to be ready to review? >> I don't know. I've told them, you know, I told them they all know we meet first and third. >> Okay. So why don't we make it for 8/4 and then defer to 8/18 if they're not ready unless there's business to be done. What do you think, Joe?

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>> You got it. >> Next meeting. >> The first Tuesday in August? >> Yes, which would be 8/4 now. >> Yeah. What about it? >> But if there's nothing cooking and that variance isn't ready, do you think we can push it to the 18th? Which is 7/18. >> Unless the senior director or the senior

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citizen director >> Senior citizen director, yeah. >> Is that something that >> So see when she's available. >> If she's available. >> I'd like to get that done sooner rather than later so that we don't have >> later date is is more convenient for her and there's no other agenda that we going to will send out an email canceling the

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meeting for that for that night. >> I'll be jumping the whole thing tomorrow. >> Okay. So, it's up to It's in your hands. >> All right. Thank you. >> Motion to adjourn? >> So, so wait a minute. So, did I miss Yeah.

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Did I miss [clears throat] the wind turbine thing or did that come off the agenda? >> No, it wasn't even There's nothing to it. In other words, it was an old proposed Those were turbulent times when it comes to turbines, I think. >> Right. I was surprised to see that.

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Like, what's this? Yeah, yeah, we just found paperwork we didn't know what to do with so we were just bringing it to the board to question if there was anything and it's not. >> It's much more for the planner or the planning phase if in fact uh the town wanted to go back in that direction which

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I don't think they're ever going to do that Rosemary. >> I don't think so, either. That's why I was surprised to see that. Like, what's this? >> Yeah, she found some paperwork. >> Yeah, okay. Okay. >> So, Heidi. >> Do you want me to motion to adjourn again? >> Yeah, if you want to. I know that Rosemary

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If Rosemary's ready, she'll second it. >> That's right, I will. Let's Yeah. >> But we don't want to participate. Yeah. >> All right, second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Thank you. Good night, Rosemary. >> All right, yeah. Bye-bye.