##VIDEO ID:i-EWwGOJZto## 702 we calling the meeting of the Agricultural commission to order um anyone interested in making a recording of this please inform the chair at this time and I'm going to ask everyone to introduce themselves please next St with ruy please ruy Santos Christine M Missy bitman Bruce M John John Rubble Debbie mullman Ken you want to introduce yourself unmute you you have to unmute Ken online well Ken remote pretended I know room did that work here I am okay thanks how you feeling awful there seems to be an issue with the rod in my femur oh that's awesome lovely which is why I'm not there but that's still up to debate God I hope you feel better I don't know what to say it's it's all good okay yeah I I'll be fine good I wish I was as tough as you Karen you just don't hear me scream so what's been going on that I've been missing not a lot much well we're gonna try to approve the uh the minutes from November 21st um anybody want to make a motion is everybody had a chance to look at him I looked and what what I told you this morning you're okay okay okay then I make a motion that we accept the minutes the last meeting second got a okay voice V because we have okay all in all in favor I no one by one oh have to do favor I I Missy I I okay it's unanimous thank you next item on the agenda and we talked about this a little bit in the past um we need to recruit some new members preferably I did didn't realize this was gonna happen did you go but I mean thanks for thanks for coming really help next item is wait a minute wait a minute we've just got John here on probation he's just checking up that right so well we don't want to don't you want to put the squeeze them not tonight T okay over beer have the shot um all right agricultural programs for next year we've touched on this brief usually in the past and it would be really nice if we could U uh get those fellas from ducksbury to talk about permaculture Jean or the other woman the other woman that was at the egg fair for specialty is permaculture yeah and I remiss in not setting her up for a meeting but I can contacted December was a it's busy for everybody so so let me see if I can get her set up for next month okay what again is permaculture I'm sorry for being they don't cultivate they just insert the seed right in the surface and oh that's right it's really interesting there's a book that they recommended dirt to soil that I haven't gotten it's just it's really interesting stuff go the machine to make indention whatever honestly I don't know the mechanics not that yeah all I know is that instead of doing your usual plowing anding and all of that don't do any of that disturb as little there must be a method there is you know and it's be like cedar because it's not broken so it's got to be a tougher Cedar and there's rotations do inter so I'll I'll see if she can February yeah idea other thing I had talked about trying to get someone to do a presentation for beginning gardeners I had reached out to someone the um gardening Federation and they me so I will I will follow up and see if there's some they have a lot of different speakers that you can hire okay and see if I can someone is that uh it's a national and a state yeah really anybody at the high school might be able I'm going at so yeah we should just see if this if you get that about permaculture that you're talking about are you is your thought ever come here and talk about it a little to see if you guys want to do something bigger yeah see to Wi um because I'm not I don't know as much but know if it would have widespread appeal right in in King yeah we're not all that much inculture so especially planting like that yeah we don't yeah but I thought it would be helpful at least that that process yeah but again it's kind of a test run to see if we think it might be a program I just don't think we have the audience anybody got any suggestions anybody else want to were you talking about um having aise yeah she was pretty enthusiastic there I I could reach out to Elise and see if she'd do something about flowers there r now has well she's got property at your dad's place she's got property over she got huge over there at the end of the SE she had opened it up andbody could go and cut their own you know absolutely gorgeous so she's got a lot of acreage in her cultivation just talking what she's got going would be amazing she'd be she is she's done presentations for the Garden Club and she's done presentations for did she do to show how to put together she did I worked for um Winston Flores so she's not only growing like dou too close together I yeah maybe I just turn this okay or I could turn one off I'm sure one is yeah unless it's on Karen's end right anybody suggestions programs that might be viable how much money we have and all that you know what I left my big notebook um we had like $700 I think we each year we apply for ,000 from the town and I did send an email off to Keith saying would like our budget to remain last year cut it back 250 without contacting us um so I did send email ining him we would like to retain 1,000 and then we can that for programs and we've been keeping in a th just in case of expenses for the it and that sort of gotta get on my soap box for a second this is what what bugs me as far as the budgets go you know that because not being a the end of the disc Year everybody wants to spend the rest of their budget because they're afraid of being cut that's nonsensical it doesn't make sense it because everything escalates every year least so why don't we figure out encourage departments to stay within budget with the guarantee that the budget isn't going to be and and have figured out a way to encourage them just come in under budget and I don't maybe there's a if you do but this is this isn't sustainable to keep spending every get every year and then ask for five or six seven increase not gonna happen year on the finance committee when is the one of the budget when is the budgets requests were due in in November early December be the first budget at the next El's meeting yeah so the looking at yeah so do you know if your request was I haven't seen I haven't seen it yet it yet so I'll make sure I think that must be all right you my little r i don't agree no anybody really a wouldn't disagree that's problem yes the problem um Al righty well have a nice short tonight I hope um yeah um sorry John um I do have a couple of things I want to let that on December 10th Kingston posted the um messages inspector meeting at the center and it went really well again this year um the state veterinarian talked a little bit about G influ and jump that it's made to cows and cows there were a lot of dead cats on the property that was one of the indicators but she did say which was nice to hear I believe a lot of cattle from state to state Massachusetts in general um actually the states don't import milking and she said we're just really lucky that way we don't do a lot of it and so until I met was in December she said we we didn't have any that she knew that were coming in from other places that New England milking cows just stayed here and he also said um which was that they did a lot of testing with the milk and and the milk that is homogenized and pasturized it is not um but they do I guess there's a movement that people want it isn't and she said that um given the anatomy of a cow you think about it um that she said it's really really dangerous put she think putting a lot of people because because the aen influenza does go in milk P so anyway but it was kind of good news for us in Massachusetts um it and it was a great meeting it it almost always is to hear uh they have some really good speakers and it's really interesting stuff um rabies which I didn't know I mean I know we still have a course dog we don't have dog rabies anymore raccoon rabies um and we actually had two litters of um kittens last year that and where did they get um well so they must have had gone to a veterinarian who have been an exposure for them to test and so when they tested the the kitten they tested one then the owners chose to just put the rest of um both of those litters weren't they were straight they weren't they weren't you know they were either picked up by a hunter or somebody found them or something it wasn't that they were even that they had started in Su so that was the news of that um I completed uh the 36 properties this year so that is all done um the barn book was sent in to the division of animal health and uh I counted 967 interesting I'm not going to go through it but here are the numbers no it's um so 2023 was 986 it was an increase in properties um but uh within 20 and most of the numbers for for the different kinds of animals are really similar is there it is if you're interested in chickens and oh chickens and horses and the numbers of the 76 horses and 40 of at my place yes jeez anybody else see that yeah so that's 23 and 24 I'm surprised there aren't more chickens they probably are but yeah how do you know who has chick um I I actually got my list I think I so long maybe from Ray Russo Ray to okay so people who but you can't share the list with anybody in town the list only goes to the state but if if somebody decides they want to have a flock in their backyard they don't have to register anywh don't anybody know no so you could have quite a few more small flocks in town and not really know unless I'm in people back yeah it's yes okay and then if you discover it then I just usually knock on the door and give them the information on what the program is about and why why it's there because I have to have permission to enter included in that then is information on the bird flu um I give out like packets like poultry packets and and you know it has um your keeping of animals in there just general information what I'm introducing and so that was the other thing I've developed um an email list from doing this and I've made a um a barn book email group I did tell people that I I wouldn't you know pound them with emails everybody seems to get too many but and I can't and I don't want to share it either because I know people don't necessarily want to share but I could send out a general to the group I could blind copy the group and send it to myself right so if the a commission wanted something to get out there that way then I can I can do that now because I've developed that list and I was wondering if you oh that was the other thing I looked on the town website and you know there isn't um a under volunteer opportunities this isn't only we don't have any openings oh we don't have any the only opening would be if Jer Barry resigned and the other girl that was here what about volunteers though people just wanted to come this is an open meeting yeah so if somebody wanted to come open up I mean come to the meetings and be in volunteer to help that's fine right oh yeah yeah it's just I think you were talking about vacancies on committees yes oh okay and that but that g that was here for a while that had problems with her pregnancy wasn't that a position that was she was an associate I she was an associate so Miss's an associate I'm an associate and B's an associate that's why we can't vote okay there's just five active members who can vote on anything but then there's three Associates and the requirement there is you have to be actively engaged in from an active yeah to be a voting member which there's not a lot of right got a limited [Music] field but um do keep that in mind because now I have that ability if you want some okay so that's 36 emails that would reach I think I I have close to that I might not have every single one but I have post to them Jean do you have um any of that information ru's got some great stuff on behaving influenza about you no I had some last year most all I all I have is the information that I've gleaned off the computer and talking to people like Ventura and Morrison oh okay most of what we had is on on our web page and we've got the link to the state information so yeah I mean we've posted it a few times and and there's a permanent link on our web page well I was thinking but I think I'll wait um I think people tend to buy their birds and and in the yeah so I was thinking maybe I would wait and then post the um send out the the free testing and and the blurb from it's probably it's a CMR that if you're buying or selling chicks or hatching eggs whatever then it should have this test and then there's the free testing as well so I thought I could kind of make a or combine it or just copy it off the website and send that out but I think right now is probably not the time for people to no okay they start to order checks for February I have order February February and most deliveries come inch oh so February is time yeah oh fig it it's going to take you 20 weeks for them to to get to the point where they're weighing sizable eggs right but they could become infected the whole time you've got them right oh yeah [Music] talking come from theer State a statement on the the blocks that says they've been inspected yeah and they come with that um which I also have a copy of now I say N9 and that's not right but there's a number on the form that's that's certifies that they should be coming with so I thought and I've got a copy of that from this state so I could put that in the in the email that people should be either receiving it or asking for it the ones you get from Mar those will happen yeah right on the CR there a stamp inspected by what they're doing is inspecting the F right they haven't had a lot of which has been good psylvia I thinky got undery to find that thing does Mor yeah I'm doing a quick look to see pretty sure it was rry and I don't I don't go on Facebook so I have no idea yes I do I agree I did it once for a couple of months no way ni I [Laughter] agree n three a 93 that's the form you need a 93 so that that's it me thanks um roll right along anybody have any other comments have culturally related they do okay I found amazing Chicken Fest did you know they can run at nine miles per hour they have dreams when they're asleep they can say salt but not sweet they make friends andry they see colors they know they see more I was GNA say how would they know that yeah in the wild in the Sun and they cannot sweat that's why they get so all right there's also an article in um I'm guessing the Washington post about climate change cading Plant Nutrition which I thought was rather interesting and the impact it's having on livestock feed so that cattle who rely on you know basic grass and that sort of thing are not getting as much nutrient as they used to get which means they need to have either supplements or eat more which is going to cost the farmer more to do that so I thought that was interesting um I did submit our annual report for the Town's annual report book uh John John saw it before I sent it in just tells them all the wonderful things we're doing here um Kathy latra posted about the uh Farm support grants that were given out in her District um one was to the Beer Money Oyster Company in are you with them they got 11,000 um he bug Farm in middleberg at 5600 and this tiny wood cranberry company in got 125 so there what what are these grants for they're uh for agricultural food safety Improvement program what was the last one 11 that was pineywood cranberry company in clet you'd have to look up to see pass s's Marsh yesterday Peter be What's the title of that gr it is um agriculture food safety Improvement program after the last I heard from one of our PR vendors that she did not participate because of all the paperwork and the cost to attend one disclosed I didn't realize that there was any of that so John and I met with Joe casna and our new health agent to find out just what our vendors are supposed to be doing and you know paperwork that they have to complete um the checklist of all the things that they have up to have either where the food is prepared over there um selling it and I took exception with the fee it was it was like $70 for one day for three hours and I said for for the farmers market it's 30 bucks and we're using some of the same vendors so I said why would theirs be $30 for a whole day ours is 70 for 3 o so I sat in on their meeting Monday night to see um they had listed that they were going to be discussing with these and I reminded them of that conversation um there was no vote uh there were no firm proposals just um General discussion and the fact that they were reporting some of their forms U because she pointed out to me that the forms needed you know some of the things weren't requ ired depending on what type of vendor they were um so they're in the process of of updating all of this but I just want to make you aware that there are some requirements to be have then because we didn't know we didn't tell our vendors so let me ask you this if we move forward to relocate the fair to my farm do they even need to do that if it's on my property I have to find that out uh the first thing I have to find out is can we hold it on private property and if so is there is our insurance for through the town cover our liability there and liability we have to so there's some steps we have to go through U you know I would very much love to accept your offer but we have to go through some steps to be sure y that um we don't get ourselves into any hot water here y or you y you know want to protect those yep but I will continue to follow up on this to see what who is the this agency they AG I see that sorry yeah keep in mind some of these are are because some of them have changed I'm Sheila the chicken she's on there now so those are the five members and then the health agent is Joyce um so I'm just letting you know that there's probably going to be have to be a few things changed for our egg there but I going have to do some homework to make sure that it can do what your an okay you don't want it at the greeze beach there parking we had three people so and it's like for a three hour event so they pretty much I mean do come and go but you need you need the parking that you got here at behind the townhous with the council and aging and barn really make work is that is that packing was pretty full it is it is I mean until you get three 300 cars I don't know what this capacity is here but and I've also told John this is the last year that I'm going to run the fair so I'm looking for an just to work with me it's not a lot uh it's more the couple weeks a lot it's a lot a lot any any event is a lot I understand that and that's why we're trying to recruit younger members I think it just covers their costs I don't know really you'd have to I mean if they get you $30 from everyone who goes to the F maret from the vendors is that in each event I think it is yeah fee for 0 to 13 is $30 although 15 or more is 60 so I don't know if that 30 is just a one time I mean if if it's 30 for one time for all those Sundays I can ask why are we paying 70 you know having first of all I don't understand why you have to pay multiple you're going to have bom's Market five and if you buy a permit for a farmer's market why should you buy one for an air on top of it right where's the money going if you're for both why what kind of expenses does the Board of Health have huh what kind of expenses does the Board of Health have I don't know I'm just reporting meeting and the farmers market isn't run by the town so that's so oh yeah I wonder so there's no like exception because it's a actually Town sponsored event I have to see Joyce to follow up with something else see if I can remember the answer of some of those questions $70 fee per day are you are you extending that invitation Christine for this coming year I mean if you want I heard it I heard it I heard it was your idea I said two years I gave her a list like this long this has to be done Mo nobody cares I mean the nice part of it was could have a lot more animals and a lot more we could activities we could give pony rides and we could um have demonstrations going on all kinds of different demonstrations it's a working farm yeah I mean and then still bring in the other animals the alpacas and the bunnies and whatever else we get so so much more easily visible yeah than this is so divided up and you know around the corner that you don't know right that's what I liked about the town green it was all there you could see the whole thing that's why icid to bring the big truck here room for it well yeah we have multiple tractors that we could maybe even give like hay rides around the farm with the tractor and like it could be more yeah Hands-On more fun for the kids that's what we were thinking definitely you know obviously you got to see if it would work yeah it just happened right I can ask about the liability insurance so one day liability insurance for an offsite off Town it would still be a Town Event too if we we sponsor yeah right yeah and I I mean I have money of liability insurance on the farm anyways because it's a business and so it's but you still people right thinking police night out but that's always [Music] on we' always ask that part about the insance yeah and and you know if there's any restrictions on on us sponsoring an event right I think it would really amped up oh yeah it would be fun yeah one thing we probably need to um just think about bathroom facilities I have a bathroom in the barn okay P potties yeah that would not be enough well we could we could get a couple of porta potties if we needed to we have a budget we have a budget and we need a little new signning I was going to say advertising or do the other thing to get the word out where it is I'm off the beaten path a little bit but if you you know everybody's got a GPS these days right that's true they do that's true but we have to get the word we just have to get the word out right that's always been difficult it is I know why I don't need it's a universal problem because we have no one source of right there's no Kingston reporter anymore the only way I advertise for the Graze Beach events is to put it on Facebook yeah and we do the recreation I'm sure put on the yeah I mean we tap into every agency yeah you have it at the highway or at the transfer station did we ever get it at the fire station not in the last couple of years um but I now know the woman who's the administrator assistant so that should help they have extra money since they're charging five bucks to burn everything I wonder how many other times CH for permits to burn your old fromit isn't any good it is year even Farms have to fly and then charge it time you want to burn every time every time it's well I should well we have to get per yes which was always free and then you just called up and said I want to burn today ands per burn no I'm not sure but you do have to call in and say you're but you always oh there once we get the legal situation clarified then you know we can take a look at the property and see what you have in mind for various where put the food put the animals and if you wanted me to mention think about that because I'll be thinking about the February help for you you know put some kind of in absolutely and it usually is in July SE September yeah we have to work around the Big E okay and the Patriots and my hor shows good and our horse shows and the start of school yeah so it's got it it's never quite the same Sunday okay consider all the factors that will impact attendance either by the vendors or by the public we never had a rain day no we just had two years years ago early yes that was yes that was when it came in in the afternoon yeah yeah we were all pretty much wet to the skin and I mean we have the Endor Arena so if it if it rains you know we could have a plan be where we move everybody inside to the arena it limits some of the deos and the stuff that we could do but it would at least get everybody in get small really fast yeah and I think I think the musical entertainment is interested in coming back oh good they were good yes we got the giant tent too oh yeah we do we have a big tent we could put up sounding better sounds great if you can get the logistics worked out we start then there's any hurdles usually like to send out to the vendors like generally and I I consider everybody who attends a vendor whether they're selling or not because we have the library calm we have the recycling commit we have cons come and we have Town departments that come too because we want them to emphasize what they're doing to help with agriculture I wish we had more Farmers but we oh there was one more question that came up with the um bar inspections of a property owner wanted to have pig and I said well this has been my experience in the past 30 years no no there was I said twice they're prohibited twice I um it went through zoning it's not me zoning but twice the town said no you can't and one one was a property on Ring Road and other was a property on 106 I said but let me check again let me check again and make sure that and then and we have Building Commissioner fores I you did no I did hes one time did we had pigs like in an old pool or something oh there was pigs in pool yeah yeah I think that was pigs in a well know like a Walkin rectangle yeah yeah oh yeah they in ground cement yeah yeah that's what they ra they had the pigs in there but they had to go so anyway I checked with the new building and um he confirmed and concurred nope there's no not Kingston we no longer have building inspect we do we but he's a commission he repl Jason yeah Jason's gone Jason's G Jason went back to PL for a much nicer higher yeah yeah anyway I got it um I got it in writing and I shared it with animal control and Joyce um just because he also gave me a which I had but I just wanted it all confirmed he gave me the um the zoning byog references so and I let that property owner that was interested in doing that know it's kind of too bad yeah I mean I could see needing acreage but I have you ever been on the books a long time that's 30 years yeah actually my neighbor used to have in we had him one year my but you you must have done it quietly you didn't go ask for you didn't ask and nobody complains that's the other thing that triggers zoning somebody to Comm complain we did it with Dana oh yeah you had TS D that little my actually my neighbor years ago raised a little tiny residential property um nobody complain they would today oh yes they would in this is the interesting thing he take him to slaughter he put the trailer down I don't know if anybody's ever tried to get pigs on a trailer oh yeah he just would get up ahead of the trailer whistle and they come right in are you kidding no they were like pets wow yeah they're smart he even said well I I don't know the new commissioner said it but I remember Paul Armstrong said it me like Po belly pigs that are pets no kiding I was they are they carry all the same diseases there's that's he said no it would have to be a house p no I want to say Comfort if there and it may be such a thing who anyway to say that's right but is it I wonder what triggered you know the no Pig thing is it diseases or is it noise is it odor I bet you you really got to keep up you keep keep on top but it's true anything yeah well they're just dirty little animals it was in this particular was a good thing really dirty they put the mud on for sunscreen we always sped them garbage I mean that's what pork meat is it's basically made up now now it has to be boiled it has to be boiled yeah has to be boiled absolutely yeah well there's a distinction though between if it's your own Pig on your own property and you're going to keep it for yourself right okay versus anything else then it has to go through had down gol yes no I don't Dons do pigs when they're born they pull their cheek pliers pull them right out and give them a shot of iron and I asked him why he was it because we get a 34 100 PB more s who's got a disposition and it's got teeth in it mouth you're serious trou my sister 800 pigs oh my gosh obviously did this okay wasn't in Kingston what you do with 800 pigs oh it was aw it was obviously second generation two uh two people working full-time with jobs both college educated and they couldn't make it he had to sell firment think age 50 wouldn't they just couldn't make any money yeah but he's a very was a very successful stock troker in Virginia they moved to Iowa just so Ry your your $7 a dozen eggs are looking pretty good yeah very competitive yeah I think you're gonna have to go to subscription really you know the reason it's not in the stores because the stores getting all their eggs from L yeah and they have you know you're not talking about found fresh eggs yeah my eggs are day old you know because I sell yesterday's eggs today yeah but at least they're telling people the reason the price is going up is because of the bird FL you know if you kill off all your lay hands you're not going to have eight are you running out every day but you're in low capacity yeah right now I'm only collecting seven maybe eight doz seven and a half dozen a day oh when do you get your chicks February March this year I wanted in the end of February because I'm changing breeds oh no what are you changing to I'm going back to what I read yeah I have a a golden rad which is prolific lay but they are real pain because they're constantly going down as if they're going to lay an egg you're trying to walk in it since I'm 80 years of age it it really becomes a haard you and and got find you laying among the the golden the Golden Reds also tend to go through a mol much longer than the others I this walk I had went through a seven week mol I me that's seven weeks where you're down at 35 40% as opposed to 80 or 90% you know I can afford to go because I'm retired from another any capacity anybody's in way and the other thing people don't seem understand if the government comes in and wipes out your plot there are a number of farmers who AR going go back into business because the time it takes to raise the baby chick to get to the lay what do you do with your potential customers yeah you when my dad had business and he supplied restaurants and there were more stores like Victorious and sweeters and all thats yeah Golds yeah there was no problem but he could never have equally never have experienced the six we most [Music] but those those farmers who are on the edge or certain age they're not going back in it no I can't blame and I I just talked to John R Tree farmer yeah he said they are experiencing the same thing in Canada with they raising the Christmas trees the younger generation does not want to do work John knows when it started at Christmas trees you got to prove him and that's a ro pain in the butt sit and wait 10 years yeah right and you got to you got to fertilize them you got to check them for disease they got to have enough water but not too much and it's a long time and the younger generation just doesn't want to put the time in so the $100 tree I got this year's going go up go up and that wasn't a big tree and like everything else like salt W so many farmers have something else going on the side like John we there's that whole thing of the weekend can't think in the name of the farm in East bridgew they tie up an entire Street at 106 when they have an event John hun s nice and inviting everybody to his farm to to uh take a look at it you know I'm selling chicken manure you know which you know seems like a lack of f but I tell you I make more money so chck than I make anything else and I have people last year I told you this last year I had a couple come from Western Connecticut to buy chicken they saw it on Facebook they saw it online and I asked them and they said because they wanted it bagged because I bag it yes they wanted it bagged or you can go to a farm and shov it in your truck they didn't have a truck must had nice they were all by Danbury Connecticut 30 40 miles from the New York border I think wow we'll see if they come back really yeah but I mean again the thing is that the manure is is very profitable it's pain neck you got shovel you got baggot got TI you know but it's got wor it gets rid of it for you it's multipurpose dad yeah of course and I have a containers because uh grain companies won't pack the grain bags yeah so there another purpose yeah you're recycling I'm so proud of so this is what we talk about at these meetings I love it I wish I still had my chickens it's very informative to talk to people who are engaged in this is such a small community right I asked the woman who had the pretentious Pig pickle pickle no I don't think she gr them I think she I went to her shop yeah I yeah I sat on the counter for a long time opened them up and booked on them yeah I know I had a friend that needed it for a birthday I think she just does The Preserve I wish she was still in Plymouth yeah I went is it very far from here it's on medes street oh 15 minutes okay yeah it's a good product yeah Poss I think canning and all of that is like people seem interested in that are they yeah I had to research out do it sh do it myself I did it so many years I do it can that was my Summers as a kid really every year anywhere between 36 and 45 P Jaz what string beans yellow beans green beans we did everything we ate out of art we used to do freeer and can stuff stuff we used to do a lot of other things really we never did we froze string we never came okay I want to check with the library too and see what they've got planning as you know they they do have our seed library but they get donated seeds the original idea was that people would take seeds grow things and um and then Reserve seeds and take them back but we had a woman come in and do a program on saving seeds is very complicated and it's not straightforward and um we decided it was probably not something Community would want to do so now they just um get seeds donated like fairy mors other companies and they have them and I don't know if you've ever seen them go in there and get them librarian had it decorated very ey cing and I always urge them to put out whatever books they have on gardening when they bring that out spring so it seems to be pretty popular yeah I'll check with them and see if they have any yeah they might have something it's the a group it's B it's you know what it's a new phone and I really haven't figured out and it kills me because after five years I know how to work my old it's just I'm assuming it's Beth saying she's sick she had emailed you earlier in the week well anybody want to make a motion to adjourn I will a motion I second okay all in favor hi hi hi J for