Right. 3:45 p.m. on August 12th. Order Town Kingston Board of Water Commissioner meeting. Bills have been signed over here. We have minutes to approve. Before Before
we sign or we say that the bills have been signed, I have one bill here that I I need a full explanation on why we have been charged $44063 for a police detail to attend a water
commissioner's meeting that was held town hall. And under what reasonable thought process, if there was one, that we needed a detail Although in town or out of town
to think that you know someone thinks that uh being passionate about our position as far as commissioner or superintendent or office manager requires that we have a detail present at our meetings. And I suggest maybe if
that's the case, maybe we need a deilly because my passion for protecting the residents of the town of Kingston has not wavered one iota. And if I'm the one that caused the chairman to ask for dekill from the town
administered while he in Montana I I'm first of all I'm upset that in fact you felt so little of myself Mr. Baraka or Mrs. Smith that you felt that we were in that
much of a danger. Did you 2500 miles away want to bok sitting next to you at the meeting? Nothing to do with that. It was just a something that that was recommended to have at town hall and I didn't see any reason why not to. There have been disruptions. There have
been disruptions at meetings pretty much all over the Southshore. And given the nature of the discussion we were having and the impact it might have on other people in town, we thought it was in the best interest to be safe rather than sorry. And it had nothing to do with you or
Chris or Stacy. I find that one person will be appalling that you felt that way. you you basically loaded the meeting with your friends and and that's that's fine. That's what the meeting was for. I
mean, the fact that on August 22nd, we as a board voted three to zero to hold off on any changes to the moratorum until August 12th. And that's part of the minutes that you're going to approve shortly. uh only to find out that within
48 hours we had a meeting being called and you know uh the meetings you know being run by Zoom you know town council earlier in the day on uh that particular
day explained very clearly that there is no discussion about water department business that should occur other than at this table when in fact there is a legal meeting going on. It shouldn't approve whether it's over the phone or whatever
it's done. I think that we need a third party from another committee to write motions for us and to be the intermediary in between uh our meetings. Again, I find appalling. You know, I'm I'm in the minority. I understand that.
But I'm no resigning and I will be here as long as I'm an elected member of this board. Your objections are heard and noted. So going on with the minutes we approve the minutes of July 8th as published. Second.
I can't I wasn't here on the delay. No, I wasn't. I was I was in second and those are approved. And then if you want to move the minutes from July 22nd was not done.
July 22 be approved. Second and approved. All right. Uh no appointments. We have Kristen. Are you online there or? She's not. She's not here. Okay. Okay. Um All right. So Chris.
All right. So I've been in touch with client. They've been out with their survey crews plotting out the road alignment for the preferred group. So they've been up that meeting well paperwork moving along well. We have a meeting coming up Monday for another
update. So things are progressing very well along with related to the the road preferred road. I heard from it Don May. He's wondering about the the donation of that property. Um, have we moved on that one?
I thought that's that was going to be one of my other discussions. Jump right to that now. So, uh, the May family, Mr. May has inquired again if the water department is interested in accepting that land donation to the water
department. Um, that's open for discussion to the board and for discuss. I thought we had discussed it. voted positive about is there anything you can think of that we would
I don't see why we wouldn't know an option to grab posonation and take give us open options to another means of access road area from that very close proximity to the well site
property I wouldn't be in the best interest of the water there's nothing there besides residential there. It felt like any sort of like something nasty of that fine underneath the surface somewhere. Well, it was thick woods out of the big pile of land the May family owned
up. So I I remember is what subsequent properties over here that's owned by the town of 21 I'm not sure I think that my understanding is part of the power
company has their but yeah in the future for access or redundancy. Is the road that we're going to put into the new well um vulnerable to hurricanes and trees coming down?
I think every Okay. So, I think a second a second access would be valuable. I don't think we necessarily give us direct access because we're at these two right where private power in the water power meet.
So it's it's a fine line right there where four four loss join the corn but it gives you that close proximity where his location is I think it' be beneficial in the future I would recommend the water as a land family I
would strongly then I move that we respond to the May family positively that we are definely interested in taking any negative discussion at second that motion. All right. I think the other thing that
should be noted is that at some point in the future, should we be able to obtain a right of way across that corner that we in fact in fact start to think about whether or not we should be
running a main from the well area at Travel Pond down to clearing Farm Road, which ultimately may give us the ability to do something that we should have done long before and
that's to upgrade the fire protection system that was installed when the original buildings along Ping Road were that's a that's a bit of a distance away from this location. This is but it gives us another ability without
going down u Bishop's Highway in order to do it. They make it a little bit easier. It's something at least it gives us the ability to do in the future. I'm not saying that we need to jump on it because it's been what it is for a very long period of time.
Where on this map is the new world right right near this. Okay. And the other spot we were looking at putting an additional well this direction. I just want visuals. All right.
Uh so I I would recommend water facing to get a formal motion on the agenda for that. That would be um so I'd reach out to you and get a placeholder on for that and further with that.
Okay. So 10 uh pending uh a checkin with Stacy will took a vote but whether or not that's valid. The water mean street project is the punch list items been in touch with CC construction
working on a plan with Lawrence Lynch to get those tuition mitigated prior to the stat of school. I made a request that work be done prior to the stat of school that night work at CC's expense
outside school. So they worked on that. Um we did receive a proposal from Verizon. They'd like to install new equipment on the street water tank. Currently, right now, they're seeking a
site access, permission to get in there to do some measurements, site evaluation, um a soil analysis, make sure it's non-contaminated site, and then work on a development plan of what their scope of work would be with a proposed contract in the coming time.
They don't currently have one street. No, Verizon currently has no street. any idea what they need to what they're looking at in particular? Is it just cable or they looking for temporary generator or um I haven't seen anything as far as a
backup power supply goes, but it's they they want to get in there and see what they have for for space on the ground and space on the tank and they'll come back with proposal what they're proposing to add on the tank for aerial equipment on the ground support equipment. Is there room to put the
ground more ground support equipment in the um area? Yes. Okay. This in my opinion is a sufficient area on the grounding of the tank. Okay. I was in touch with USG asset management team and they would go into a pre and
post tank inspection work and that that was bey to Verizon. Correct. And it's stalled out that any any work any welding that takes place on the tank refinishing will be performed by USG as they just refinish the tank be done to
their standards for their Yeah. Whether it matters or not in this agreement they have here it's a different location our spot this is going to the town motor you looked at this I think primarily that was just a sample specimen of what the contract
where verbiage would look like. Okay. The biggest thing we have to look for is the site access. I think that's the first little bit of of page there that you're looking for just to get access to see if it's truly a feasible site for them before committ
raises a good question. If we're signing something and it appears like they're looking for a signature, we need to make sure that the documents that they're asking us to sign that they ultimately sign reference the piece of property
that we're talking about and not uh the town of Dit or County, New York. Yeah, it is referred to exhibit A which is our spot there just a title. Well, before it gets signed, I'll tell now that you know if you guys are willing to change along with Verizon, I'll send
back access documents to town council for review and then by the board to send back to Verizon phone service and we'll get additional revenue to the water department. So, it's win.
Yes. Yep. And it'll be up to uh the board and the board of select to negotiate what the terms of the contract would be as far as charge for rent. It's a it's a pretty vital spot for Verizon. We need that as a vital spot. So we can work on uh a rental price
agreement based on that. Uh any other questions on that? No, that's good. Uh before I get on to that last measurement there, land donation, just an update
that Evan Donley, our latest uh hire, he is successfully passed his T1 license test. Uh so he's in the process now applying for that license along with his D1 and he's currently enrolled in the um heavy equipment operating class for get
operator's license to run the equipment. He's he's doing great job. He's been a great great asset to the department. He's a great Sounds ambitious. That's good. He's the one just started this spring the new one. Yes. Y
he successfully completed and passed the D1 class, obtain that license. Now we he passed the T1. Now we just signed him up for his T2 and D2 classes. So he's eager to get licensed and be know full full-fledged practicing member of the
team. Good. Last thing I have is the letter from the D that I received from Mlofflin regarding corrective measures that we need to take and
work on. you'd like to have time meeting scheduled for Tuesday, August 19th. Zoom. It's not Zoom. It's um teams. Can I do it? It's online. Yeah.
So, a link just get a link and click on the link and one member attending. We do need to post it for a meeting for the water patient. So if you guys just want to I do have I'm doing the fair stuff. So
if we just won't have one member there. Does anyone I recommend that in fact post meeting so that if Bob and myself I plan to be there Bob decides that he wants to be
that it's done legally. I think it's important that we do it. I think important uh we have Stacy's there to take whatever notes that she feels are necessary beyond the ability to
copy the zoom and the other the other part and let me finish just for a second. I want to make sure that we have Kristen there reading through this this notice that we've all seen now. Uh there's a
great deal of information that's going to be necessary for Chris and Stacy to put together and to complete uh the many uh different aspects of this a lot of which is going to require a great deal
of engineering expertise and knowledge of what the Kingston water system is and hopefully that uh Kristen will continue to be department's young uh engineer
and that in fact uh she will be available to both Chris and Stacy on a regular basis as she has been anytime they've had questions about the engineering aspects of how the water
operates. Is uh Stacey back this week? We don't again when I talked to her yesterday. Yeah. When I talked to her yesterday, I suggested to her even though she said she may be coming back with her brother because her brother could only be
different. I basically told her I think it was more important that she be in New York with her mother, you know. You know, and no matter how strong a person is is a whole emotional
Yeah. aspect. So whether or not she's there tomorrow on Friday. Oh no. I guess I was posting the the meeting. I talked to her briefly because I didn't know whether she's coming back. She was going to put something together so that
could get him. You know, if it's the 19th really she doesn't have to do it until probably Tuesday of next week. So again, I I overstepped my over set my bounds, but given what was happening with her her family, I felt that
Tuesday is the meeting next week, correct? So you have to do it by Friday. You have to do it by Thursday. Actually, Thursday town hall is closed. Okay. So if can we Lorine who was the backup person? Yeah.
leave out for now. Again, I think we want to make sure that we reach out to Kristen and ask we as the board that Kristen be there that she understands that she is our engineer. I'll contact her then. Is that is that
the preferred method chair contact or or Chris? Do you want to contact her? how we usually money. I I think I think it might be good that you reach out to them. Okay. I don't have I mean how we get the link and all that kind of stuff.
All right. Chris. All right. Is there anything else going on that we want to discuss on this or you want to take some time to take a look at it? Pretty much read it when I got it yesterday. It was small printed small print but there's going to be big
dollars involved. If you look at what it says just with the concept of uh inspecting or replacing every meter on the county kitchen for um what is it 2030? You've got five years
to do basically every meter in time. And since we had that one company come in and show us what they needed did and we haven't done anything beyond that. uh the extensive research
that I have done with the other comparable companies do that line of work their product in my opinion my personal opinion was by far the best is it relies solely on the meter itself no infrastructure you've implemented
maintain any so we've been talking about replacing meters anyway right yes this forces us to yes but this was something we have had on our agenda, probably one of the more expensive things we've had on our agenda
going forward. And um I wasn't here for that presentation, but from the people that were here, I'm pretty confident that a significant amount of uh unaccountable water is poor metering. Yes, I I spoke to different vendors,
different companies at trade shows. I've contact other superintendents that were having similar issues with uncountable for water and they started replacing meters particularly the commercial size meters and their account water went down because the meters are been there since
the 90s and the reliability arm is diminished. So we got to do it anyway. So at least yeah it's nice to say we got to do it anyways. It's a little bit different when we're being told exactly when it has to be completed by December 30.
I think that's probably negotiable with them. That's what the whole purpose of the meeting on the 9th. I I hope you're right because you know going to town meeting and asking for somewhere in the range of $5 million for well and then probably going to town
meeting and looking for in excess of $2 million to replace meters. It's going to be a hard sell. had we not had this enforcement order placed upon us for whatever reasons and
each is each of us may have our own opinion on how that occurred or why it occurred. uh the fact that we've got to ask every resident uh home homeowner in account of kitchen help pay for not only
the well which is absolutely necessary and and the meters which may in fact be absolutely necessary but may not be absolutely necessary in the time frame we're talking about. Do we have any other vendors uh that we're looking at? I know we talked
before about getting vendors in just a few errors even though first one seemed pretty decent just to compare it to. Is that still in the works? We can arrange that. Like I said, you know, I looked at two other vendors. Uh their product was
not comparable at all. It was more involved product and they required setting poles or renting pole space and having radio transmitters throughout town. That it's a it's a worry for lightning strikes. to worry for automobile crashes, any other maintenance issues. It's on an
elevated pole, so it's something that we can do down the road. Whereas this particular company, it's all cellular based. So it relies on nothing. There's no other infrastructure goes in. And when that meter leaves here, it's bound and programmed to that address. So it it eliminates the MX user
and has to install after the me has been purchased. It's a it's a defin. I think it's important that they hear that we also are looking at other people because that might affect that that was basically what we talked about even though we all agreed that
that was by far probably the best we could we could go out and purchase in order to do it correctly. Yeah. Yeah. We need to have a range and then we can make an evaluation based on the range of meters and how they operate and
what impacts there are on staff and and the town as a whole and that's the only reason I felt that have somebody else come in and tell them how tell us how good them you're then we'll make an evaluation
using an engineer that understands and all of the information so we know what the other things out. It's like Chris was saying if we could put anything up on polls or anything different ball game
I would ask you to ask Chris to reach out to whatever other company or company may be available. Yeah, I have some chosen two other companies they spoke to and haven't been scheduled presentation for me. I was noticing they have my wrong email
address on here. That's why I didn't get this ahead of time. They have instead of a L, it's a one for my my email. So, I didn't Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's
[Music] it. Should have bounced back to D. Yeah, reach out. That's why I don't haven't done this yet. So, my apologies. All right. Do we have any other discussion on that here now or is
holding for next Tuesday? Yeah. All right. New business. Um the convent is getting the rehab center. Looks like number one. Yeah. So, I just want to point out a few
things with that reading through their proposal. I think it's a great repurposing of that facilities of all sorts. I think it's a great opportunity for the town bring that in. But I think that couple of things that I was reading through in
their proposal that I just want to bring to your attention is that that is all in zone two. They are looking to uh increase their um number of parking spaces within coverage. So I don't know that these the
you visited little the impervious land coverage. Yeah for water quality. But they do have a feel of land. Right. I don't know what they're obtaining. I don't know if they're just slicing off. I know survey have been out there. I don't That's a good point. They're going to
slice off enough so that if they add add uh parking it's within acceptable limits for our um zone. Yeah. So I think I just want to bring that to your attention also on this stuff here said that they had
to reconnect uh the town water and town sew now that infrastructure is out there. It goes on to say the same that the site is served by upgraded on-site septic system. This is public water. The public the property is served by an existing
on-site public water supply system which will be reactated in coordination with state and local agencies. So, I don't know if they're considering their private well as a public water supply that qualifies for the BSS type of thing or transient system, but I just want to make sure that's clarified that there is
no town water up there and serves that property. I would recommend that something be sent in writing to the planning board stating that you know the the issues that Chris has just brought up that it's not a public
that there is no public response to that. anything that they're hooking up to is completely private and on site and that this board or this town has no responsibility to upgrade, repair,
repair or replace anything that's there. And then beyond that asked that in fact we be the water commission be provided a site plan showing um the existing uh
parking facilities and whatever parking additional parking facilities they're they're requesting uh so that we can make sure that it's in compliance with the overlay district's you know requirements for percentage
for percentage improve his surface. Improve his surface. So done by Grady Consulting. I think they're aware of issues out there. I hope I suspect they will cross. You don't know. It's all It's all good that it's being done by Grady Engineering. Grady
Engineering is being paid to do this by uh Long View Realy LLC. They are on paying Brady to do it. While they may be aware of what it is, uh the
same issues still, you know, irrelevant whether or not, you know, they're aware of what the town regulations are or not. Chris, can you see that then? Yeah, I I'll draft up a letter. I just wanted to get the motion from you guys. Um
to to make sure that it's we want to take make sure they're made aware that it's in a zone two for water quality certificate for impervious land and notification there is no current municipal water supply out there. It's private well. Those are my two big okay
I want to bring to your attention. motion by um let's see I'll make a motion to um have the superintendent to draft a letter for to the planning board identifying the
parcel as a parcel that has a private water system uh and it's not connected to the town of Kingston nor to the water department nor does the town of Kingston the water department have any responsibilities for maintaining in
upgrading or repairing the water system as it's publicly available and zone two issues with improved and the zone would be in material. Okay, that second voting I'll follow my response to ZDA
I'm sorry the yes right this one. So, we reviewed this with Stacy. She want me to highlight things like this.
Uh June 24th, the board asked for re resubmission of request with proof of repair. The resident did submit the bills of the repair was in fact completed. Um, so there's
that document that you reported asked for and she was asking for relief for both March and June bills. The initial request was made June 18th. It was past the 30 days for the March bill. So therefore, we're looking at the
consumption report there. We wouldn't obey all that she's asking. She missed that. Unfortunately, missed the time window for that. That's the 4:30
number is the one we're able to do. That's correct. That's correct. Yes. All right. Any discussion? This seems like it seems like we're talking about a complete statement or reduction to the lowest price.
Usually red lowest price. This would be June. Correct. have a motion for that. So moved. Second. Second. And so moved. Again, you know, I I don't have a problem doing it, but
I always don't think that we should be doing a bait or replacing valves and fittings, you know, because we know there is some responsibility to each and every resident that is hooked up to the town system to know that in fact, you
know, something's wrong. Yeah, that goes to the meters that we're talking about. Well, it does it does meters, but beyond that, all I'm saying is, you know, just because you have weight doesn't mean you need to obey the precedence has been set many times on
that, which to stop would be depends on the reason, too. I mean, if if they if they've got a a a broken spot in the yard that's spewing out water and they don't do anything about it, I'm sorry, you're paying the whole deal. you've seen it, you've seen your yard
flood and you're not doing anything about it. But if it's something that you can't see or they don't realize until they get the bill, but again, they get a bill in March. Oh, no, they didn't. They got a bill in June. No, they got one in March, too. That was equal in in amount of
That's what drug drew their attention, but not until they didn't contact later. So, all I'm saying you have a responsibility, too. I don't disagree. That's all I'm saying. I don't disagree. Yep. All right. There's a couple things I
wanted to bring up here. I stopped by before um talking to Stacy and Chris about possibly doing like a an appreciation sort of lunch for over for the workers for basically, you know, every summer we ask so much from them and they've stepped up and thought, you
know, it' be nice to to you know, thank them in some way. What's better than food? Um so I was just checking to see. I know as we get towards the end of the month once school starts for me I'm like not really available but think like a lunch maybe possibly on Tuesday the 26th which is right before our next meeting
uh in here anyways. Um does that seem like something you guys want to participate in? My proposal be that we would shell out whatever for pizzas or if you want to grill out here. I don't know what we want to do foodwise. That can be a discussion for if you guys agree to that.
I think that's a good idea. Any thoughts? I think it's more important that you find out who the guys are and what they really uh mean to the department and what their lives are like as well as finding out what how the system works rather than feeding them. Well, that's kind of the goal. I wanted
to I I feel better know these guys for a while. I kind of want to meet them. Yeah. Guess what? You know, you don't have to feed them to meet them. They're here every day at lunchtime. You know, you walk in and you walk out and they don't know who you are. You're not doing a very good job as a commissioner.
That's why they know they know each one. They know me because I not only come in when they're working, I'll come in and I'll joke with them. I know a little bit about them because I think it's important that we do that and I don't have to feed them to do that. If you want to buy them lunch, that's
fine. But I also think that maybe, you know, doing it midweek may not be the best idea. When I talked to Stacy about this concept that you had floated out, she thought a good day would be a Friday when in fact town basically slows down
because the powers to be closed anyway. Okay. Yeah. So, the Friday works as well that week for me. But, you know, I wish I had more free time during the days to come by here, but as someone who's still uh gainfully employed, it's very limited. And summer has been kind of
crazy. I should have done more this summer, but um I still think it's a valid idea. Uh and I would like to pursue it even if you know others don't. I might just do it myself to come in here and do that. But I want to at least see if you guys are interested as well to join. I think it's a good way to get to meet
and talk with them. And if it's on um company time, then we're not keeping them lunch hour. I don't know if you want to take them up. So maybe a little I don't know if I want to jump into the any union issues with that or anything like that, but um the 29th, Friday the 29th
versus when I get back, we'll see what's looks like. I can check and see what our work schedule looks like and what the guys have going on or who's going to be here. I know guys have vacations planned. That is that is Labor Day weekend.
It is. So yeah. Yep. Nothing's ideal, but if that doesn't work, then, you know, I'll do my best to stop in my own time before the the the summer's off. But, um, I thought
it would be a nice touch just for into the long hot summer. But, all right. Um, so we'll wait to hear back from you, Chris, about possibilities and all that. Uh the other thing is on September 16th,
um I think I'm gonna ask Stacy to add this to the agenda. Uh joint sewer and water heating. One of the things that came out of the DPW conversation uh over the past half year, whatever was possible efficiencies that might be
pursued. Um whether or not that's even doable with like personnel equipment, I'm doubtful. I know administratively I do some things. All right. It might even just be at the more the commission level, but I was gonna 16th. Yes, September 16th. We had planned at one time to be having
fairly regular um meetings of the store department and it fell off and every time that happens, we get a D thrown at us. So I think it's probably a good idea to at least quarterly meet with with
them because we do have shared responsibilities in some respects. I know my own is going to meet with um sewer commissioner to discuss some of the thoughts that are out there what could possibly be some efficiency like that. Um I'll separately kind of reach
out to Chris and Stacy about what you guys think might be possible. Oh yeah, I don't think personnel obviously does not much there. Equipment, I know we have specialized stuff like that. Uh I'm not an expert on this at all. Diesels do a cross connection.
That's what I'm thinking too. So that stuff seems to be not really people think. It might just be more at the the upper levels uh town government sort of thing, but just some thoughts. But all right. Um otherwise, anything else going
on? I do think that we need to remember what town council told to us exe in executive session about discussions about water department business and then it only should occur at this table when there is
an official meeting going on. It shouldn't occur because you run into one another at some other place and talking about department business. anybody told me and I I hope nobody questions the open meeting law as far as
our last meeting. I won't I the following the way it works but I will not raise it myself but someone does someone's going to have to answer how that particular meeting occurred
noted right otherwise I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn to approve