Good afternoon. King order 35 p.m. Our first business is approving minutes from May 27th. May 27th everyone. I move that we accept the minutes of May
27th as published. Second. All right. So approved and then June 10th I'll make a motion to approve June 10th second and approve as well and appointment with Brian D from the
commission as well as superintendent from the wastewater department as well. Hey Christian, we'll get you in this as well. Hi Chris, thanks for taking us. I just wanted to follow up on last week
and all. [Music] Can you hear? Um, if you could talk a little bit louder, it would help. one day. Okay. So, well, thanks again for taking me and
um following up on our last meeting. We I took the position of the tour commission. We put together some of our issues but went further than that and asked CDM our engineering consultant and particularly Brook Westfall who's their
water expert from Boston and uh we worked together to try to put together and look at some data that he was working on with the old planning council on current water evaluation. We
had some new data and we talked about this a bit and we was able to put together this draft memo. It is a draft memo. It's not final. Want to make sure we talk about a little bit. But bottom line is a conclusion from him
that based on the wells we have available and their same yield that was approved by DP that um you have this right I'm sure yes that
we have uh we have adequate supply in the event as you pointed out the ladders well going down for whatever emergency situation which is a guidance requirement and uh so he goes into some detail about
that analysis also putting together new wells coming online and just summarizing some of the issues all the issues that we have been talking about. So
what this seems to indicate is that there is enough water in the event of a particular frack well going down and he was able to confirm something I mentioned I think earlier that the grass
flow well the 186 well actually have more capacity than you would use part of that's because of the water management issue that I know is out there zone two was out but in evaluating this emergency
circumstance that this well these wells have more than enough capacity to overcome the shortall except we can't both at the same time that's that's not true I never got a copy of that doc
I don't I don't know why copy of [Music] I sent it to anything that goes I sent it last time we talked. Let me explain before we get off the rail here. I was told and sent it to Jim and to Kristen, which is what
I did. And then I followed up with the chair to make sure that everybody got this. So I'm sorry if I could be included anything. Yes, I do. Anything that goes to this commission
could go should go to Stacy. Stacy will disseminate it to whoever should go and pull the chair. My opinion got to do something. I'm sorry. I can have a better understanding
on last. No, the uh to your point the question here is an emergency. You're not a lot of fun because of what I just talked about. There's some history in the past of over pumping it. But the fact is in an
emergency DP will very easily in emergency now talk about emergency unlikely potential problem and a shortfall which your moratorum is based that that well has more than enough capacity to fill and overcome even at
full the shortfall down. That's what this memo says. And so goal here as she calls to try to find out a way to lift the mortorium because
the solar conditions being our customers are being significantly impacted in the shortfall that we have for revenue and so we're trying to work this out professionally wise and find a way to do that. So we
went to another professional who does this work all the time and make sure Christ was involved with this and uh more discussion later that's fine but I just want to make sure that the concept here is one that shows
fairly clearly that you have enough capacity in emergency from the wells we already have in place. Kristen, I assume you've had a chance to review this document. Yes. Yeah, I did. Yeah. And Brian summarizes it. Comments you
could make on it. Um, yeah. So, the only concern I would have would be I'd want the Oh, sorry. Just hold on a minute. Okay. All right. Now, that should be good. Okay. Um, yes. So I would like to see
something in writing from DP ahead of you know before the emergency were to arise. So then there will be some reassurance that from D because it's one thing if a consultant tells you that oh D would be open to
this or it's been done before but I'd want something from you know the current administration at D that says yes you know in an emergency we'll wave the requirement in that permit and allow pumping concurrent pumping without any
repercussions based on what you read in the document. Are you comfortable that we will have the capacity to replace the water from Draco Pond in an emergency based on the information you got? It
wouldn't replace the full amount of track pond, but it would get you to the point where you could satisfy your max day demand. Okay. I was looking at the numbers on there. Uh I know the water management permit
authorized maximum daily rate and then our maximum single day pumping rate. Is that what our historical pumping was over the past year or is that like a maximum we can do with our pump? Yeah, your your max day last year was just over 3 MGD.
Uh it was like 3.018 MGD. So physically, could we pump the the authorized max data rate if we needed it? So without the um track pond well um the available pumping is
uh well forget the exact number 2 48. Yeah 2.48. Um, so if you had if you were able to pump both the Grassy Hole and the 186 well together, it would get you to just
over three million gallons per day. So that would get you right there. And we are talking about a catastrophic situation where Tracoon is down for a period of time unplanned.
Yeah. If it gets hit by a bad lightning strike and you know you lose all the electronics um or something more catastrophic happens to the well itself then it's a little bit longer of a time frame. Um but you know certainly the lightning strikes and can coincide with the
summertime demands. Um so if something like that did happen it could be weeks or months that you would be that pump station could be down. just not to disagree all of this
but the scenario as I look at this part of the reason why management act for example not all this well 186 is um it sets that lower number doesn't back
zone two zone two is designed and I think back this up it's designed the worst poss possible drought situation in the max country and the fact that you'd have to have actually three catastrophic things happening. The well goes out for
business and we haven't had a grow virtually no water in 9 months and we're going to pump the well at it maximum at grass before you start infecting snow. So it's not like soon as you put the 186 well in the grass
down and again you have to be probably September. So be the worst case the worst case worst case worst case all at the same time. So it just give you a little bit more comfort about this decision that you'd have to have a lot more than this one
thing happen to make this problem with a lot of management actually occur. We don't know that. We don't you're that's what you're saying. That's what TDM is saying. What I want to know is what Kristen is saying because she's the professional that we've hired that we've
relying on for years. Can I talk to her? Not you. I'm talking to Kristen. I'm talking to the board. I know what you want. You want us to lift the moratorium. I want to make sure that whatever we do, we're protecting each and every resident
that they have portable water in their pipes and in their system. And if Kristen says that she thinks it's possible, then I want Kristen to reach out to D. I don't want to reach out to D. Let's lower the temperature a bit and see what Kristen has to say.
You have anything else to add, Kristen? Um, yeah. No, I mean in terms of how the wells were originally um pump tested and permitted, you know, Brian's correct. They were individually done to um they each have their own safe
yields. Um they are not anticipated to impact each other. Um but D imposed that requirement about the environmental monitoring and it just creates a regulatory problem for
the town and not knowing what the repercussions are like the permitting repercussions are. There might be no environmental repercussions. That's why when um the Water Management Act permit was renewed
back in 2016, D was actually inclined to completely remove the ability to pump those wells together. We pushed back on them to say, "Well, wait a second. There's been no science to say that concurrent pumping of the two wells
impacts the stream flows or nearby ponds." and we didn't want to lose that ability in the future because you know like now you might be interested in doing that. Um so but from DP's perspective they were going to completely take away that ability and
you know if they had done that you know you wouldn't even be be able to ask them to uh lift that at this point. So, but before we just I' rather not wait for the emergency to happen before asking them for permission to pump those two
wells together. I'd like to have that in advance and certainly can again have to go before them each time it would happen to say can we implement this? But I want them to be on board like now to say yes
if this happens you can reach back out explain to us what's happening. You can pump those two wells together and there will be no regulatory repercussions from doing that. So getting a statement from D saying that would give you a confidence.
Yes. Yeah. we craft like that incentive from the board in the near future because I think that would be that would be me towards towards I think that's I do agree it is a risk
but I think it is a very small risk and if we get the ability to pump all those wells currently then it's the risk is mitigated only be for next year maybe the second year while we're going through so Yeah, the treatment plant was
designed with the capacity to treat both wells pumping concurrently just to keep the options open. Um, so there's, you know, no issues with putting that additional flow through the filters. I just wonder who should ask EP. I
assume you Yeah, I think if if if you could craft something about those concerns you have and then send that to Stacy so we can sign up and send it off and uh hopefully get back hear back from them very near future address this at
that point. Just a couple points Kristen to uh first of all the one they just made this is really dependent on the new well so that's really a year or two whatever that is. Second point is I don't think you know this but one of the reasons we put the leeching field where we did it's
on the opposite side of smell brook and smel pond and the discharge from that leeching field is drinking water quality and the the um recharge plume from that about 350 about half of the plume it's actually a million gallon plant but
350,000 gallons will in fact recharge smell pond the smel so from a water I already brought this up the DP from a water management act point of view the impact on the 186 wall particularly would be offset that water man issue you have 300,000 gallons coming in 247 on
this side and so it gives you a threshold go up on the other one so the water man that's that's happening um so and for the point of since I've immersed myself in DP I would much like to have the board allow me to work with
her on this right now. I think we have enough faith in Christ and her responsibility to protect the town that we don't need CDM. We don't need super commission to
write this letter for us. She's written many letters for us in the past and each time she's done it, she's done professionally and thoroughly. to suggest all of a sudden now we need Bryant a CDM to start writing letters to Kristen's approval I think is wrong.
We've relied on her expertise. That's not what I said. I don't think I didn't I didn't say that. I asked that I be with Kristen since I've had a number of discussions with all the people who used to work for me. Okay. And I know that and that bothers me. That clouds the
whole issue. Why? I've worked in government too. I know I know government work and I and I know one hand watches. These are good people. This is not Washington. These people work for me professionally for a long time. So don't make that comment. I'll
make a comment anyway. I will Brian guys. Um I think right now unless there's any disagreement I think we'd like Kristen if you could craft a letter to send to us. Uh we'll take a look at that and then uh we'll let you take a look at it.
I don't think we'll definitely uh I think that's where where we're at. Once we have the information the D I think we're be good to go. Does anyone else have anything to add to this conversation? was if if we run those wells co-arent
what type of track and documentation we have to do for groundwater monitoring for draw down um anything like that it's immediate area uh well we'll see what D says when they get back to us but I wouldn't expect you to do anything different from what
you're already doing for um groundwater monitoring so what they had request they may say we want you to start doing the environmental monitoring that's in the water management act permit. Now, you know, they might come
back and just and say that that but before we'll even consider this, you must start that to get that baseline information. So, it's monitoring stream flow. Couple of other points that they had in the water management act permit.
Yeah, that does. So, so you look at maybe tests would have to be installed or staff gauges have to be installed. Yeah, the gauges. Yep. That equipment purchased installed. Is that similar to the gate?
No, that's a staff gauge. We had our pond ponds up there. get water level daily track weather just delivered install.
Yeah, we'd have to get the hydrogeeologist involved. Um they require that. Yeah, if they require that. Yep. I'm just I'm just trying to paint the whole picture. Yep. Add an expense to us.
to monitor all done and also to track all that stuff. I would think that if we get that type of a tool that we would proceed with necessarily
ability before we have should we get it may be a waste of money but you know should we need it we need to be able to expedite it immediately not somewhere down we need to know what they're going to
say what we're going to build be next summer where we have this issue. So we have over the next year to kind of find that find out permission and again we're really we're
talking about a catastrophic event that we haven't experienced ever need what Brian is bringing to light here this would be something something implemented and run as a non-emergency
no seat only only if you have the receipt which hope will never happen. So this is I don't think we plan on taking offline while we're building the wall right that's kind of it only if fun's offline and it's only going offline to
the emergency we're not guess I understand you could you could pawns are bigger so if any of the others go off it's less of an impact on the water system that's why we use pawn as the example right but you also have 26 six
as well that you know is is one of the three major wealth either one of the two as well as all can cause that same no what about the worst case scenario that is a catastrophic failure in the
treatment plant unable to treat that water from those two wells the well is still producing but the water can't be treated in the treatment plant because there was a catastrophic failure How does that play into effects? D allow us to bypass the treatment in
that emergency situation. I don't think my opinion that's something that is not in the planning of a catastrophic situation. That's worse than a catastrophic situation. You're talking about a major precomplant failure and whatever. I mean Chris, how
do you fix that? What would the what would the failure be would be the first question and then how do you repair it? Is there a way to repair it that you already have fire? Yeah. You move the whole building in this. Is the treatment plant 186 capable of
treating a combined flow out of both wells down for a long period of time? You know, right now we're treating Traorn and 186, two separate systems. Now, if we lost track of porn and we had
to pump the other two together, is that system capable of completely managing the treatment of the water? I would assume it's proved to a certain point. I presume that the design of that
the treatment plant was designed to treat both wells, but that it was never tested during startup that way. So, but they were the treatment plant, the filter and the chemical feed system out at Grassy Hole was sized to treat the
combined flow rate from both wells. All right. But um I just we could as we just discussed Obviously, this is a big concern for the consition. We have continued our hearing till next this Thursday coming up. We're having to set
our rates higher than we would like to because of the short revenue. So, I can't underscore enough how important it is and I appreciate your time to move this along. I'll do whatever I can do first thing to get this done with you guys.
Sooner we can get away from that dilemma, we all be happy. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thanks. You're up your engineering updates. Okay. Um yeah, for the the Main Street water main project, uh really no updates from the last meeting.
Um we talked about where things are with some of the uh punch list items. So those still need to get addressed and we uh DOT did extend the permit for an additional year. We talked about that at the last meeting. So when the um the
contractor is able to do those punch list items, we'll be able to notify DOT to get their work order approval to be out on the the road doing that. um the new well project. Um Chris and I
met with the Kleinfelder team yesterday and they gave us an update on where they are with the the work. They are um working on the DWS17 permit application. Um that's the request for official site examination
um for the the new well. It would be for the the test well site 18-4 that had the better yield based on the recent pump test that was done. They're anticipating giving us a draft of that permit application this week. You said a better
yield than the It's a a better yield that there were two test wells that were done um back in 2018 and um they were retested, pump tested recently just to verify the performance
and the water quality. And the one that had a better yield was 18-4, slightly closer to that um swamp area, shrub swamp area. Uh but that shouldn't
cause an issue with D since it's not a uh regulated wetland. It's just a shrub swamp. Does that site allow us uh possibly placement of second well nearby? Yeah, that site was further south on the
property. Um, sorry, Hazel's in the the picture. Producing well is um situated where we if if necessary could do another well on the same general. Yeah, that on that property, you know, in theory, the spaces there. Whether or not
the soils are suitable up on the northern end of the property is another thing, but it keeps your options open, but it's not immediately stopped because of its location, right? Yeah. Another situation. Okay. Right. Yeah. We're not smack dab in the middle
of the property, making it so you can't fit another zone one. So, uh, so that No, and it's positive. That's a it's a good location. Um, in regards to the access road al alternatives that we talked about at the last meeting, um, Chris did walk the
route with the conservation agent to talk about the, um, preferred site that did cross a little bit through the buffer zone to the track pond. Um it's 100 foot buffer zone and it's more than
50 feet away but less than 100 feet where the access road would cut kind of closer to the the pond. Um it's a lot less intrusive of an access road site in terms of length and tree clearing and
overall disturbance of the land out there. So the conservation agent is open to considering that. um he requested preparation of advantages and disadvantages that he can review with the conservation commission. So
Kleinfelder is pulling that together and um they uh they meet kind of a similar schedule to you except they're on Wednesday. So their next meeting is tomorrow. So we won't be able to have information for that because they obviously had to post their meeting
before we met yesterday. uh their next meeting is July 9th. So we're looking to be able to get something all pulled together and sent over to them so they have it of a minimum of you know 7 days before the meeting to be able to get it
on that agenda. Um once they okay that route in concept, Kleinfelder will send the surveyor back out there to get the detailed um tree sizes and they already have the
contour information, but they really the topography they need to get tree diameters and some additional information and then um client travel will be able to move forward with that access road design. um you know, they
would still be required to submit um the notice of intent and whatever else to the conservation commission um to be able to get approval to do that work and the environmental erosion control provisions that would be
needed. The other part is the funding. So for the SRF pro program, the initial application is called the project evaluation form or PEF. Those are due
July 25th and um Kleinfelder is going to send us a list of needed information for that this week. Um so then we'll we can start that on July 8th. Yeah, hope hopefully be able to go over to that on July 8th and you know I get any if not
then we'll still have our meeting on July 22nd. So there's two meetings should two water commission meetings before the 25th that we'll be able to get you know any kind of questions answered to be able to have the most competitive package possible for this
project. So likelihood that we'll have somebody from Felder here for the seventh meeting on the 7th on the eth on the eth. Uh we can request them. Yeah. What do you think is it is it needed
Kristen to have some time here? I mean uh well it doesn't hurt for them to join by Zoom. The reason I brought it up is we haven't talked to them in since we hired them. Yeah. And it might not be a bad idea just to have them show up and have everybody feel comfortable enough
working. Sure. Even even if it's not necessary that they be here, right? The fact that they're here would make, you know, give some reassurance to the board. That's kind of what I'm thinking. They can give us and a chance to again
see the players get get a sense of what's going on and it gives them a little bit of incentive to get whatever they going to get done before they leave. Yeah, by that point they should have their um you know well they'll certainly have the draft of the
application for D so they can review that in more detail at that meeting. Um, and if there's any extra letters that need to be submitted with the SRF application, we can talk about
that. You know, letters of support, that kind of thing. If if I mean, obviously, if they're in the middle of something, it can't it's not required, but I think it'd be a nice nice thing to have. Yeah, sounds a good idea. Okay.
Um, a secondary thing here related to the access road. U Markaboni reported on some information about a property parcel that family might want to donate or I don't know. It's kind of unclear. I don't think it relates to the access road. Doesn't seem
like it's going to be useful for that, but it is somewhat abuing to the property. And you got that Chris? Yes. So I think I think it behoove us to reach out especially if this is a donation of property but would we ever
say no someone I think I think it be important to clarify whether it's just the highlighted easement wide access or if it's that access moving the parcel that it serves. I I
think the way I read it is that talking about you know lot two F102 and the easement that goes across you know at the end of you know whistle link you know I think
it's 2-1 plus the in interest I'm not sure who owns power 11 and 14 and 9. So it would make a great deal of sense if if in fact we own everything except
possible to be able to acquire that. That would technically give us the ability to get to the back side of track. Yeah. And if they want to donate it, you know, I I think the only
thing we need to do is that they donate it to the town. We need to make sure that it's donated to the water department and not the conservation. And I'm not opposed to it being not developed, but you know what the conservation has done with any
of the other land that is under their curios. They've put stipulations on it that even if the town needed to go in and develop a well, you'd have to go through the state legislature to get that listed. That's a good point. That's
a good point. I take it to the water to the water, not so that it doesn't end up with that conservation restriction on it. That's the only thing. So Chris, did you reach out to them just kind of see what what's I didn't initiate any of this. So this
was this was brought in. I'd be happy to reach out to the property. Yeah. discuss that I don't see positions on it. I mean, if they're looking to sell, I don't know, but
they're looking to donate. I think if they're looking to donate, I think it'd be a great asset to retain future needs, but we don't need it, so we don't need to buy it right now. But if they're willing to donate it, right,
have that. Mark, we're just talking about this parcel there. Do you happen to know is it like the entire parcel or just the right of way there? No, the there's a 20 foot wide parcel that 102-2.
Yeah, it's like just the right acres and the rightway is across the power that Boston are they offering to donate uh what 2-1 is Walmart? Yes. No. Two-2.
Okay. So, the parcel and the rightway. Okay. So, they arranged that right away. I guess when you guys were going to have them take the water line, Mr. Keller and the may couldn't reach an understanding on the price. So, they ended up going another way to property from what I
understand. I remember Mr. may wanted to offer to you guys uh because they have no need for it and it looked as if it may benefit your construction to use. It gives us another ability to get into the back side of track.
I know it's a gift horse. So, yeah, you know, I'm saying it. Yeah, if it's something you could use. Otherwise, I don't know what they're going to do with the butter and then that becomes problematic. That's what I say. It's going to be a donation to the water departments. I believe still own
able to get a small give us a 20 across either 12 or three. Correct. Just so we can have access to them and see what they're one of those convers.
Yes. All right, Chris. that off saying today we dealt with a water emergency up on second Brook Street and I was out there with the crew was a hot day challenging day to get that done work all came
together work very well so I just want to gratitude thanks to the crew a hot day no just done job guys did a great job today I want to recognize that with the shut off of the last subject
property that we discussed that overdue balance has been paid in full with penalties that went along with that. The counter charges on the most recent bill still exist. We were able to work with the department
of the home and validate it in fact in the house water bill. She made statements to take action to get that represent charges.
So so so still working diligently with that property. Um conference reports have been gone out watch that at this point I've taken care of all my filings that I'm required to
do health and the other areas the latest round of quarterly samples for this uh second quarter have been collected allowed for analysis just received the analytical
co-op st over again to make sure the contracts are corrected word corrected So we now got the verbiage all correct on the contracts now review some of the documents that were
requested by one of the vendors we have double so hopefully two out of three contracts will be signed and executed be great and for the backflow inspections I
presented um to you so who voted to approve that contract. I did reach back out to W Samson ask questions following up based on the conversation we had here in regards to
the discussions testing and I was able to get them a three-year contract instead of a one-year contract that would expire in December. This new three-year contract locked in with the low rates for the
first and second year third year having a minimal increase myself increase to account for increase of the labor charges charges the like on their part
so I think that's a great opportunity for us I'll make recommendation that the board approved by second we need to vote on the floor right
second so I know that was a concern with the um the contract goes about as far as they would go, right? Right now. So that makes sense. uh it makes sense that they would price
um I've been working diligently um trying to get it in for approvement. I had them scheduled for beginning of this week. They pushed back through the weather company today and they will be out here
on Thursday the 26. We have been one of those [Music] heats it up or what is it? They heat up the ball with heater. Yeah. They kind of break it around, break it up. They kind
of level it out, make nice transition seam all around. Watertight seam as it compound. Yeah. Take some of the the hot spots. Where did I just come across
a two foot section? I I do I do find I do find it interesting the entire life of our budget. You look at what they allow natural gas to do as far as
those trenches are absolutely horrendous. Look at the difference between what we did with the gas. But what happened allows you gas to do that just the trench itself
and it's not done with the same quality or expertise that we as a town I I'm not talking about the water anybody that states back you've got to have the five in the 200 gas company. She don't do that at all.
Is this kind of like when they had the where they had too thin of a layer? Would that been like a gas company? were always kind of up there. It's interesting because we're having those discussions on the DPW that it
came up and we were initially we were blamed for for the gas and then got directed. But is that something that you contact state rep for to kind of push back a little bit or is that it's
the state it's the DPW mass highway that's what You know, natural gas is allowed to go inside of the country, but we can't water. We can't
see. But any All right. Okay. Anything else, Chris? That's all that I have. We have a bigger looking at that there. What? Um, she looking for two bills. So, she is But I
did tell her on the phone that the first bill that she got in March, she would have had to have us. So I guess apparently it was she mentions a roof leak, but the roof is
nothing. So a leak behind the shower, right? I don't want to open that door. I mean, the plumber didn't go out until June 10th. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Only thing on the table is the
second bill. I I'm not even sure the second bill is should be totally, you know, what I what I couldn't show you was the video that she sent me of the um shower
schedule. I don't know if that honestly it probably was was significant part of the problem but we don't own the property. All we do is provide the water that that went through the meter right
that she has responsibility as the landlord to fix those. Yeah. Yeah. Again I the time frames is what bothers as much as the amount of money. So the second bill June 18th
time frame for that one. Yeah. I mean the um the bill she doesn't know when she be consistent. She give us proof that that has been taken care of planning and getting fixed proof that's supplied for
that. I would entertain motion for the second bill to be dropped down to where he said he's planning on which means they still wasting a lot of water and expect us to
Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to reach out to her, let her know to supply that service receipt, whatever the next meeting. Okay. Anything else going on?