Oh, good. >> All right. It's four o'clock order. The board meeting town of Kingston bills. Uh we have full rounds of minutes to approve. >> And will we approve the minutes of
September 9th as published? >> We do both together. We >> do them separately. So we have a motion for September. You have a second >> second and approve September 23rd as a >> second
group as well. Uh our first appointment is Glenn Folo from Realy. You want to join us here and introduce yourself for people who might be on Zoom. All one of them. 17 road. Can you just speak into the
easier? >> Sure. Just address the comments. In in reading this, I noticed grow engineering for is recommending uh something less than what the uh specification the water pump has now for
all pipes to be a minimum of 12 in. Understanding some of the issues, the reason that we adopted the 12 in minimum pipe size was so that we move forward or the town moves forward from today and
into the future that we have mains installed that will accommodate the future needs of the town to downsize you know mains in the it can impact what happens in the future. My recommendation
is to this board and in talking with the superintendent is is basically to require that he install a minimum of 12 in cost of the means between each and really substantially different. Uh the
cost is really digging a hole if you put it in digging the hole anyway. >> Yeah. The cost is the cost isn't even the main issue. I mean, my opinion from the beginning was like you you've got a 10inch main that we're going to tie into when we adjust the dates and everything.
Everything's addressed that way. >> Um, when we do subdivisions, you know, future use in a subdivision, especially that one, I mean, there's no room to add on because it's it's squeezed in there. But you're coming off a 10inch main to
an 8 inch main. We we've done miles of you know and I know I know you're going to say that's another tile but I understand I'm just saying we've always come off like a 12inch man to an 8 inch main for some reason looped back out and my opinion and the engineer kind of
agreed and that's why we even talked about this I thought the opposite you're coming off a 10in main going up to a 12in main I would think it would work the opposite for you because I just feel you know you're you've got [Music]
I just don't I see if you lose pressure in the main out on the street and one way of doing is a flow test and if the flow test showed that the main motor meets it and it's never going to be addressed in any other part of the town where you'd be adding on to it or this or that what purpose does the main do
but as we go forward the town goes forward >> there was some asbesus pipes that are now 10 in should be replaced if that was being replaced it would go from a 10 to either 12 or 16. So what we're saying as new developments come on, we need to
plan for not only what it's there today, >> but so as we move forward, the town moves forward in the future. If we're going from a 10 couses, which really is it's not the end of its, you know,
youthful age, but it's getting to the point where we're going to have to start thinking about replacing cementus pipes that have been in the ground for, you know, 40, 50 years. As we do that, and because the town's grown, we will increase the size of the mains that
we're installed, which means that we go from a 10 to either a 12 or 16, depending on what our engineer ultimately says is the best for the town as a whole. That's that's the only reason I'm really >> Yeah, that's fine. I say I I understand
that that aspect of it. And I apologize. My my engineer was coming. He's stuck in Florida. He doesn't like it. Sorry. Tonight. >> Yeah. Your concern was going from a smaller man to a larger man. Do you have
pressure loss? >> I just like I say, I'm just talking to people when it's not where it is now. I just feel like you're charging that main >> with a 10inch main and then you're doing a thousand foot loop that's coming up. You know, I think it would work. This was my question to him in the
beginning because it didn't make a lot of sense to me because it's like when you have pressure on another pipe you you got a hose and you you know you downgrade the size to get the pressure right >> you know I mean reverse thing >> right so I I think we're thinking we're going the opposite way and even if you
upgrade your main to a 16 12 whatever the 8 in main's more than sufficient to ever take care of 32 units on a subdivision you know like this you know that's that was just that was my opinion so He looked into it and he came back with the same thing, you know. And I mean, it's
>> it's not the end of the world. I mean, I'm just here to talk to you and find out what you guys want so we can move forward. And I mean, I'm not, you know, >> I'm not saying it's whatever you guys say we're going to do. >> Sure. >> But any of the other new growth that's gone on in town recently, all the expansion timings
around, it's a small similar loop. What you're doing right now, it's all 12 in. >> Yeah. >> So, it's a similar similar situation. >> Okay. Well, like I say, that's just that was just that was my thought to begin with and then like I say afterwards, you know, he came back with kind of the same
thing. He talked to >> it's like more of a hydraulic thing and he talked to people. >> You still haven't done a bof pipe circulation, but it's the size of the pipe for >> volume at the end. It's sucking water out of
that pipe and these have the cavities mean that volume doesn't be acquired because of the friction loss that all come into play for that for fire protection aspect. >> Yeah. And I think like you said [Music] even if we just left the open discussion
we go back and forth. My whole like opinion on this is like once you guys approve the water, whatever for the subdivision, we have to build the subdivision to you guys' rigs, whatever you tell us to do anyways, you know, so it's not like anytime we go to, you know, I mean, we're, you know, it's
whatever they want is what we're going to give them. So it's, you know, >> it doesn't matter. We tried to meet all your um >> your other the comments were mine, you know, it was nothing really. The separation on the streets is more than adequate, you know. Does Kristen have any Kristen any
comments? >> Um, yeah. Stacy had sent me the revised drawing. And the one thing that jumped out to me is bringing in the pipe off of Whopping
Road. It's now going looks like behind two of the units and then goes between two of the units to get to the subdivision road. Um, so just wanted to make sure that you guys saw that and I think they were doing that to try to have the separation
between all the service taps. Um, just it's >> complicates maintenance of that line to have it going behind and between homes. >> We thought it was adequate the way it was with that separation. I still trying
to get more. That's all >> is what Kristen's pointing out is that there's typically when something like that is done, we require an easement to record easement to be recorded >> for the access by the town of Kingston to get in there and maintain it. Should that be the case? So, there has to be a an easement. You know, other contractors are in a similar situation. We'll have
to >> they need that separation of the two taps on the main, but when they do it, you know, whether it's a cross country main, they make sure that easement is recorded that the town has access. Exactly. Um what's the width of the ement that is
a minimum that you require? And >> I think most of them 20 ft >> with the pipe being in the center >> and those have to be recorded prior to the turning on of any of the water. >> We've had a couple where in the past get
lost. >> We want to make sure that it's up front. I mean, I feel the separation that we gave us to begin with is more than adequate to make a loop and that kept it out on the road and we didn't have to do that crazy thing through the houses that was just trying to address, you know,
and I mean they were just asking if we could bring it another way and he he moved it a little more. I felt coming out straight made more sense, you know, myself, you know, the engineer said, but I kind of always tell them just do whatever they want to make them happy. So, so I'm not paying them 10 times. We
got to make it a true loop at the end of the culdeac where you came out. >> We did. No, we didn't. >> Yeah. It was tough to see because the set of bronzing it was real small. >> Yeah. No, we didn't. And then like I said, I think when you came when when you came down to the street, what we did just to get more separation was we cut back and went towards the schoolhouse,
you know. I feel keeping it where it was was better keep. I think there wasn't an issue with one coming up in the existing entrance. Yeah. >> To the property, but the main entrance the junk previously was. Right. >> The question was the one further down heading back like outbound out no
eastbound on 106. >> No towards farms. >> So that one is in the back. Okay. So that one's in the backyard, right? >> Yes. I think we'd like to see one come down the main road. >> Right. That's what we got now. >> Tapping by ring road in that area there like
there. Then the other one that was depicted coming to the rear of those lots. If you're looking at the property to the right side to the power lines, >> the one towards the power lines going to come out straight down the back side just to have to secure an ement for the
town. >> Is that the revised set of >> Yeah. So Chris, >> yes. Chris, in addition to the one that they had going back behind all the properties, they revised the drawing so that where it connects into
the um new road that's now going behind two of the houses and then between two of the houses. I think they did that to provide the separation between the taps. Remember how they had it all all the taps were clustered together like four
taps in a cluster? Yes, that was on the like what I would call existing main entrance. The main >> Yeah. So, that's what they changed. And I just wanted to make sure that you saw that because it complicates. It looks tight to me. It complicates going in
between two of the units the way it is now. >> Are we talking about services? >> Yeah. So, >> she's referencing this right here. And then I haven't seen them buy set of plan. If you can get a fulls size set of plans that submit drop off review, that'd be
great. These the original ones here where it shows coming in. So this tab here goes up and you change the main to run behind these separate. >> Yeah, these are these these are too close together. That's like taking a piece of perforated paper just going to
split up. >> He draws it like that. But when we we always separate >> it's not ideal separate you know here because we want to be able to be like left unit right unit tapped out in front of it tap out here and not
limited to keep away from the septic system. So I mean these these taps on the main I know what you're saying about spaghetti and paper when we come out here he's drawing this straight but when we tie into our main we just do our five separation because it's in the road layout and we
get back onto the property you know because I'm private. >> So when we're out in the road layout here you know we just do our separation right along that run. >> Yeah. Maybe you could clean this up and drop us off a full set of drawings. It would show more clearly. That just there's a lot going on right
there. So, it's just a blue wall. You can even differentiate. There's a valve there. >> Yeah. It's just showing. It's just showing. But what I'm saying to you is come to meet the subject setbacks and everything. We have to get lines through a certain area. And once we get out
here, tying into your main >> The reality is we like the plans to to show what your reality is. Well, he says this isn't the revised one. You guys must have all I did was on a piece of paper like this, but I >> Okay.
>> Yeah. I mean, it was so I can even zoom in to clean it up. >> Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. I thought you >> If we get a set like that, it's better for us and >> mark up. But I got a sheet of paper that's >> Yeah. But I guess what I'm just trying to say just so we we're clear on this part of it and we get to when we're in
the road layout on the main whatever separation you guys want we're going to separate them going to come into the watch and they'll be marked out where you want. >> Yeah. We just need to get it on paper to get approved for construction. >> Yeah. And this is like I said we are limited to how we come to stream.
>> Yeah. Whether it's you have to adjust the alignment to the septic system for the water or you know how do you >> we don't we don't we don't this is no adjustment on the septics you know so like say we got kind of got make our 10 separation like said once we get into the road layout
it's common area you know the town going right through it so we can meet separation however come straight through there four services it's coming into this main future that's shown check >> just so we can scale it off on a set of
things. If you're trying to stay out of the driveway, maybe that's not an option. You won't be able to stay out of the driveway. >> This got this much. >> A lot of times on like condos are the same thing. We build condos, we're
tight. So, we're coming into the main and tighter area, you know. So, we just do the separation and we're coming to the main branch out. I hate to do this, but I think we need to make sure that we get a fullsize set of plans that Chris can look at, Kristen
can look at so that when we're approving this, we're approving it as it's laid out on plans that each one of us can understand. I understand you understand what they're saying. >> Oh, yeah. But until we have something that we can >> right >> justify approving.
>> Yeah, that's that's fine because like I said, >> to be honest, I don't go through this a lot because most towns we submit a subdivision plan and then we just we're just told to follow their rigs. This the plan is just the water line is just drawn as like just like the rest of the
utilities on the propert, you know. So we're not we're not used to going through that portion. This is the first time I've actually done it for water to be honest with you. And um and I have no problem doing whatever you whatever you want. All I'm trying to do >> I've been dragging my feet over there because
>> I want to make sure I'm all set so I'm moving forward. I'm not drawn out of you. >> Again, have your engineers talked to Chris and Kristen get us a set of plans that they're comfortable with that we can look at and understand and they can
understand and we can move forward. There are experts that we look look to that they're looking after just looking after yourself. I get I get that. >> No, but they should have already they should have already had this back then. They should have got back to us and said, "Hey, we need a big set of plans. We need some >> Well, normally normally we would get a
full time you got an email over revision. So, we're doing a revision and answering comments. So, when you answer comments, you say you're going to do X, Y, and Z. And they say, "Okay, you you put them on a plan and we're good." That's what I'm saying. If if I had heard back from
them, you know, when they got the revisions, I because I stayed on them about getting them, you know. >> Yeah. >> So once they review it again, they should be calling us and saying, "Yeah, just get us full set of plan. You want these couple things to trust and then we have it, you know, back and forth." But
it's it's fine. I mean, I'll like Bob will be back tomorrow. >> I'll have >> hopefully he'll be good. But uh >> moving along here to comment number two um with the triple gated requirement.
>> I don't know how much um I'm going to push you on on requiring triple gate because disruption that can cause in the system to cut in the triple gauge. I'm thinking that's why we're directly all the way to the north. >> I may look and see where we have gates
situated in that area. We may be able to isolate things um by the old schoolhouse and ring road. I think is triple gated kind of in there. If we can do a small shutdown and do two triple gated that tap but then further up.
Yeah. The only reason why we do it is that you know like said how you guys want that >> but if it's if it's going to be severely disruptive to the system to do a shutdown >> right >> you know to do that twice is very disruptive to the system
>> especially on that side of town. You know, we may look to do just one set of triple gates. That way you have that redundancy for circulation if need be. >> What would you want the triple gate probably at the entrance of the thing and then the other one on road side where the gates are? >> I'm thinking what what I can recall um
for institutional knowledge that we probably to put a triple gate right back where your entrance is now. Okay. >> And then where that loop will come in to be attached. >> I'd be willing to work you on on that just because of disruption. I got a question.
>> Sure. >> I've been around. Where the hell is the old school? >> That's the um crooked building that uh is that looks like a cross where Marxis was, >> you know, where the the house was.
>> Yeah. >> The house was that had a fire two years ago. >> In between that and where his shop is now, there's an old school house there. Big square. It's going to be a Maybe 20 by 30, 25 by 35.
>> Single room. >> Yeah. So, anybody wanted that that old save? >> Okay. No, but [Music] >> I think we can, you know, have some more
room to, you know, refine the the triple gate aspect of things and work with you some on that. Um, >> and if you could, like I said, when you when you're looking at something like this, I don't I thought this was the revis. [Music] Yeah, then that's what Chris was talking
about that correct Chris that you were talking where all those like four or five services real tightly closed clustered there the entrance by the ring ring road what we're trying to call their existing entrance um that's where
the new plans showed a main going behind the houses >> yes that's what they're showing >> you have the paper copy that's just that small piece >> I I printed it off and it was even worse Yeah, I got start zooming out on the
computer. Let me see if I not right now. But the uh I'm just saying we can just tell me how which you would rather do the um separation or having that go through the
295 that was I don't know which is more important to you. I'm just trying to see if I >> sorry that was wrong. >> And then further up in the color I I
don't recall what the um well it was tough to depict on that that drawing how you change that loop. >> We end up going all the way up and around. >> So >> we end up bringing all the way up and back down. So it's a true loop all the
way to the back of the buildings. >> Okay. All the way up the main road. >> Yeah. >> And you go around the culdeac. >> Yeah. We came all the way to the end of the split. >> Glenn, I would suggest you a full set of plans for Chris and Kristen. and you
know between now and our meeting on the 28th we can get everything resolved and we can move forward at that point. Okay. But on the main what would you I guess what I'm asking you guys is so I don't waste time with the engineer. What would you guys rather see? Would you rather see like this original plan has it
coming out on this side of the road and bring roads about 295t separation. Did you say that's good? We don't we kind of do away with that problem that Crystal was talking about coming through the buildings and the >> Yeah, but I saw you going behind the buildings the other thing get more separation and
>> No, that's on the main um on the actual line. We ended up bring it over here to get more separation on that new set of plans. >> What was that to take bring those services in the back side of those? >> Yeah, it was to um have a run in between
them and a rum spaghetti there. So yeah, but separation wise I guess. So if if the main makes more sense and we have the 295 ft or whatever we had to begin with from here to here, are you guys good with that much separation? If the link main's cleaner and it's on the
street and it makes the lines work better because you guys are the final question. >> Kristen, do you have an opinion? >> Yeah, it doesn't gain a lot shifting it one house away in terms of it being a loop. It's still not really a a real
loop either way. It's kind of just uh looping a dead end. It's not connecting two separate water manes, you know, it's loop it's looping back on themselves. So, if there's no other way to loop it, then that's the only resort. Um if it
were me, I'd rather have them stay in the road and not go between and behind someone's house. >> Agreed. Well, the difference in feed isn't significant enough. >> No, it's not significant in terms of looping. >> That's why you run me.
>> No, I think you run a greater risk of negative impact people what they want to do in the yard. >> I I agree. I didn't like the idea of everybody, you know. So, it just it still keeps keeps flowing. >> There's going to be flowing.
I'm saying so if we if we stay with that where we were there we stay in the road layout and then we have the other one just back we're not tying anything off the orient >> correct the other is just kind of a trunk line running that be no service off
>> it minimizes the need to go in there >> I'll have them clean this up and put it on plans and so you can see the ts you know five foot separation on your main that you guys caps. >> Uh, I think it's minimum six feet.
>> Okay. Chris, would it be beneficial where they do I know I think in other areas that have done loops similar to this, we've had them install a cross tie where that
loop is that's with a gate that's closed to maintain that circulation, but in the event that we had to take and utilize that, we could isolate things there with a triple gate and open a cross tie. Um is that something we should look at? I
know that um Barlsbrook we did that um up in call Timbers we did that. >> What's it do for the crystals? >> It gives us a little insurance policy. So should there be a failure in that pipe it's going to still give us that loop circulation at the end
>> without and be able to isolate that for without disrupting service to residents. >> So it just like triple gating. It's going to have to be able to different ways >> cuz normally if we triple gate here if we tap and sleeve on the other side we'll come on the property line put
>> this this would be way up in the culde sack so where you are >> up in your cack your main line runs up >> and then you go around your cack >> and you come back to run back in your trunk line >> right there you do a cross tie >> yeah but all that all that would all that would benefit is like if you if you
had to shut the property off all you'd be doing is maintaining the loop in the amount of time you'd be doing a repair or somebody Correct. Yeah, it still it still gives people adequate um audible water service and fire protection. It keeps the fires alive. We can isolate a smaller area, >> right? But if we have if we have if we
have 500 foot shut offs over shut off here,000 ft, you got to put a heat in it. >> What if we what if we just we want to talk about how we just have a shut off so that it can be shut off to the back side on the side. >> And it also has an effect on when you do hyper flushing. >> Yeah.
>> You can isolate things. >> Okay. and pull water from one way to flush the main as opposed to constantly going all the way. So I know other areas it's been like that the subdivision they put in down there was
it Paris's lane that's done the same way they did way up 27 by country. Yeah, I start with what the reason was for >> it's the gate were being closed >> unless we needed to for hydro flushing
or in the event. >> So where does this gate go? in the middle of the cross pipe or is it >> where your culdeac runs off around your culac >> and then you you split off out of the road to go on that trunk by behind all those lawns >> those houses
>> in the street >> you just put in a T >> and just bottom off right there >> you just have a T because two main ties two together >> okay >> so I mean what's your thoughts on something like that Tristan going to cross is there any benefit to it will it
would that type of a run or is it >> Yeah, it's this isn't that big of a development. So, it's really whatever works for you. U because I think have just having the two ways to feed them. So, if you lose
one of the lines, you know, you can still feed them through the other loop area. Um that gives some redundancy right there. And I was saying even the back units if if we're feeding from the ring road
shut off on the property if we were to shut them off all the way past them last three buildings shut that section down or something happens back there and so the rest of >> you just recent the tall subdivision they had a leak that would come and go
and call sack and two 12in mains that went up they came around in between the two bends there's a hybrid and there was one main line gate there and we had a leak would come it would go come and go turn up being that they damaged the gas forks
>> the bell so it would I think it was I don't know come and go the leak and then finally we found out what it was but it was tough for us to make that repair but is the gauge it was a lot easier to have two houses without water for that duration yeah like I said the
only the only thing with say if we ever shut off that rain and we come around we shut off that that allows you to shut that side of the loop off and then everything forward or that all 13 of the front. >> Yeah, just it's just something to think about.
>> Yeah, just plot out where your mainline gates would be. I'd look to see a mainline gate up in the culdeac somewhere near a hydrant high on the hyd. >> And then one midline. >> I think we got a hydrant down this end so I can get the shut off down on that down slope towards that. So you put a a
mainline gate halfway up that road and then >> Yeah. >> where you end your >> main has services on it. Put a gate in there. >> Yeah. And like I say, the only reason why I'm saying if we if we get it up here somewhere, you guys can shut it off
there and shut off there and just single line which should be pretty clean straight run. That should really never have a problem. Nothing any of them would. But you know, it just gives you the option to if you had any problem in any of that stuff on that side, you can shut down just those three buildings,
three six units and the rest of market. >> Sure. >> Okay. So, separation wise, just so you guys more comfortable keeping it on the road, Kristen? >> Yes. Uh but you still need to maintain
the required separation between the services and then the distance from the leech fields to the water service. >> That's well no problem doing that. And then like I say the main like say if we do it this way then stays clean.
>> What are your other utilities going to be going to be overhead or on the ground? >> On the ground. So you maintain separation for all your telephone, cable, electric, gas, anything you have for that. So >> we usually run the run there's no gas.
We run that right up. It's it's they can sit in condos, you know, they're just condexes. So that's all that be done concrete pipe. put all the laterals too maintain separation all your service lines >> on all your communications electric
>> we usually come in with the water on one side like gas on the other side it's got to be fed from one side too come in on one side it's no gas coming on the other side they they don't want like 2 meters on
building shut I mean, I can >> I'll get plans over and then um I will adjust those. Was there anything else you could see? >> No, I'm just going through other things. We talked about the loop uh the gate
valves and hydrant labeling just so I'm playing just clean that up so we know what's a mainline gate what's a hydrant gate 5 foot separation between services and a 10 foot separation from this all your wastewater
>> y stuff. So like I said that lot one two and three um those first couple there it's really really busy there. Yeah, we can. Um, so on this side, I mean, we're 10 foot off
the property lines to make this thing work. So, we just don't have room to get a line through there. We can clean it up and keep it, you know, keep separation on our service lines. So, clean in a trench and just stay on the wrong property lines. And then, like I say, up here,
I mean, we'll just say we'll just do the separation on the gates if we have to. She doesn't separate the address so you get separation. You guys are looking for whatever. >> Yeah. And you know the the gate the service boxes have to be separated but
also that separation has to be continuous underground from the tap to the service box into the house. Not just clust them all together and fan them out and bring them back together. >> Yeah. But the once we get on the on the private service part of the thing, we should be able to let two lines in the trench a couple feet apart. What does
that what does that mean to you if anything's done as private property? because I believe our rule that is uh five feet >> on private property and you're coming into that that's that's one that's one lot with two buildings. So when you're requiring two lines but we separate it's
the same it's one building on one it's two units on one lot. >> Yeah. >> So those two those are always on the same trench because we're coming into the building in one spot. Yeah. >> Yeah. But how do you take to get into repairing side by side? >> Yeah.
Well, actually, like I say on that uh on this on these units here, like I said, two will be on this lot, two would be on that lot. >> We can I mean, we can we'll separate everything >> as we're going on. It's just if we come to a spot where there's a septic system
and it's like a private service, usually if we're in a trench, we can keep them tight. The trench gets on. It's never on you guys because it's you going to the gate and the line when it gets on the property line, you know, whoever has to take care of it, you know. So when we get into something like that we have to just meet the separation. I'm saying
>> yeah but we have the separation for you know not not just for town's benefit but also for the property own you know they have to make a repair and they think oh one service here next you know there's no one cross going to the other unit >> but it's a duplex so
on the same >> ideally you know in a perfect world I like to see you know if this if this is a duplex this is A and this is B the line come here and here not all of them come in here and shoot around all over the place spaghetti service it's not how do things. It's not how we want to see
things. You got to move away from security services because I mean it's not a single family, you know, it's a duplex. So that lots on there. So if you're servicing that building be the same as like some towns will let us service it with one line and put two meters in the basement like
we'll upgrade to an inch and a half line or something, you know, then you got one line coming into each building. You put your two meters in the building and the other one we put them on the floors for the other side. That's how we do them in all the places and it's you know. Yeah. Because what we need to is we need to have control. So unit A is vacant in for
the winter. >> Yeah. >> And unit B is occupied, but we can't shut water off both of them. >> Well, I'm saying like a lot of these units we we come in to basement and his on that line and we have two meters in the basement.
>> Yeah. Outside. So we have to shut the water outside of the building. We have control to shut the water whether it's vacancy freeze up payment. We need to have individual unit control outside. >> Yeah. >> Each each unit has to have its own exterior curves. >> Yeah. And that's what that's what we're
doing. That's why I'm saying to meet that sometimes to and I mean it's very few lots. I mean this one, you know, just needs to work with me on something like that just because that's one spot that we're getting bioeptic. Everything else can have all the separation you want, you know. >> Yeah. But it's the the rules of rags
were implemented for a reason. It's it's for sanitary cross connection concerns, you know, with the separation and then it's also for again going to make a repair thing that there's adequate space to excavate. >> Yeah. See what you can do and having
contact other guys have any questions, but I think we're pretty solid in what our expectations are. >> Yeah, I'm looking at this one though. I mean, we got I had to figure something out now. That's why every you know it's and I understand you like I say just on the service part of it and like say
connection on the service part stay away. >> Yeah. Talk to your engineer see what we can make work and come back. >> We've already done that. I'm trying to figure out what I can make work on this. So if you guys are going to stick to that are going to figure something out because >> you know you've got you've got you've only got 10 foot of these property
lines. getting the services to the subject system. So I think you're trying to squeeze a little too much in there. >> No, I don't think you know maybe go back to your your drawing board and talk to engineer come up with another proposal but it just like I said not not to you know we
we've done the same for everybody else and every other >> developer has come in and done the similar thing. We make them make it work >> you know we don't we haven't given them exceptions. Yeah, I know. I know that. But there's also like I say that you know on 40B project it's >> 40B projects.
>> Yeah. But you know there's like they they cram these things in a little more and allow you some leeway to give up the the low income housing and stuff. So the idea is to work if you come to a little area that there's an issue. if not the whole project to kind of try to help out and address one small portion because I
don't see anything else on here that these septics here and this and this this plan also got the septics all into yards and spread out instead of dumping you know 10,000 gallons into one quarter that was better for the town too you know spread out over 17 acres you know
so I mean I'll talk to Bob and see what we can we can do with that because I'm not looking at the new plants from YouTube I'm not sure they might have changed things on that I don't know if this is the same >> guess soon. >> Yeah, we can drop those off. I can review clarity. That'd be a great great
point to start working on >> and your and your um [Music] >> No, I think we we kind of touched on all the things that Chris had brought up and your engineer had response to the loop watering. We
discussed Okay. >> the gate valves and labeling them. We discussed that. talk about the separation on those priority blocks one, two, and three. >> That was the thing. I think I think everything you get pretty much figured
out are just the blocks one, two, and three. >> Yeah, I'll look at the se I'll look at I'll print a set shop tomorrow and look and see if there's more detail on the lines on the new plan. I don't know. >> Will you drop us off here? >> I'll drop that one off that way.
I didn't know you guys. >> All right. Thank you, >> Rick. So Rick Lincoln with Kushman Farms. It's been a while since I've been here. Um here is So we don't have that level of
detail obviously. So we're not we're not even there yet. Just kind of looking for availability. U this is most recent set of plans that just went to um Patrick
He's your uh the town's civil peer reviewer. >> Yeah, must be he did rock and he does a lot of towns. Um, so the big change is that it's still
coming up off of Marian Drive here. You know, there's a doggy daycare and then it's cutting out to Copper Beach. So, Copper Beach here. So, we we cut the whole development here. We're not
running it all the way down to uh Kushman. It's still two buildings. Just my just give you a sense for what the I think the actual flow is
going to be. Demand like 15,000 gallons. >> Then you talk 15,000 gallons of domestic use water or waste water? >> Domestic use. We typically, as you know, you know, the title five at 110 gallons a day. Then
coming in at like 48 47% with all but I just use 55% you know for actual Now, for water purposes, she's got it coming in here, looping out here, and I just had
this conversation with her this morning. You know, going running down this way and this way, she's kind of deadended. She >> I'm sorry. Megan, >> I don't know. >> My engineer. >> Oh, gotcha.
>> Should have said um that can be looped if we had to. This is a uh Thomas Street is a paper road. So we do have the ability to just move the whole thing if we wanted to if a dead
end like that is dead >> right that's I saw it that's why I mentioned something to [Music] the engineer not me but I had a funny feeling that wasn't
we have the land out there um so it's two fourstory buildings Um, we had tested the hydrant pressure out here at one point, but I've done that in a long time.
>> How many? >> Um, it is 72 >> 72. >> 72 >> 74 total >> 684. >> Oh, wait. 6 confused
72. Thank you. >> No, 144. >> Oh, okay. >> I'm sorry. The student doesn't want town sewer in there to grab all this. Say title five. That's just title. Yeah. So, I met with sewer and they're sending
me a serve letter. So, that has already been done. And then I folks next water size services you run into these buildings. >> See, I think on that that's what I mentioned the level of these plans. It's just got TBD and then we typically just
work just like that's why I learned a lot from him. So I mean you spec out what you want and you know we'll we'll put it on the plan. >> Yeah. >> That's Marian. >> It's coming up Marian right here. >> Correct.
Yes. >> Okay. >> Right in front of the tea station. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Right here. This area right there. >> Yeah. Do you see Copper Beach? >> Copper Beach right there. >> Yeah. So, we're right We're just to the right of that >> on this area.
>> Yeah. Between Copper Beach and the um >> I see the tracks on here. That's >> okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We didn't The tracks actually are down here. What's their primary access going to be traffic wise? Off Marian Drive or off of Christian?
>> Um the two way is off of Marian going out on a copper beach. I did one way to try and be kind to the neighborhood. >> So you have ability to drive through that area from both.
>> Yeah, that's wonder that has been drilled in my head. whole bunch of people in Copper Beach. I think it was >> a throughway at one point long time ago and it didn't work out. >> So yeah,
there'll be a fob system or something at both at both sides. >> Um it's a little wider than it would need to be over here on Copper Beach, but it's for fire, you know. So
>> he's your apartment. Correct. >> Correct. >> Any thought process about going to condominiums? >> I'm doing one in Matapan right now and condomin banks don't like condominiums. So it's it's hell to finance.
>> What's the question I asked? The reason I'm asked is that if there is any potential now or in the immediate future that these 144 units are going to be
some condos and some apartments or all one or all the other. If it's a condo, each one has its own service, has its own meal. >> Oh, I see what you're saying. So, I think what B's trying to tell you is upfront if this is ever going to be a
plan in the future, you want to put separate meters now because it'll be a nightmare later. >> Right. I've done a bunch of these. I do understand what you're saying. That's that's >> I've never seen it. Uh and I would have no intention of doing it.
>> We have seen it. Have you? >> Treetop condominiums were treetop apartments when uh >> when they were built. when they were built >> one service >> I have done you've heard of the eman demons you know where we had one service
and it's that you can you can measure the flow on the uh and so one meter from the town but if I wanted to separately meter you put these demons everywhere and it goes it's a wireless so it gives me the ability to build the tenants
>> the only behind the meter >> well the only one we is you >> correct? >> Yeah. Two units in which each building. That's not our concern. Our concern is that if there's any >> any vision of either one of these
buildings being converted from apartments to condos >> you need to plan it now. >> Yeah. because whoever buys the condo or buys the building and turning the condo is going to have a nightmare because we
will not approve it. >> Well, the other the other reason I think to separately meter the uh the advantage is that I've been told a long time ago that you're better off charging a rent and then the people pay
the utility. It's their utilities. If you try and and I did two in handover and we did the master meter thing, but if you try and bump the rent, it's not the same, you know. So, you're much better off separately metering. You know, some old-timers told me that, you know, big apartment guys like, "Oh, I
just never thought of it." >> So, they they may be separately me. No, >> you you need to make sure that in the plans that you're asking us ultimately to approve, >> you work through that process. >> You just want to make sure you know
ahead of time what the nightmare will be. Should you not >> Yeah. Which which typically is what I've done in all of them, but I think that's kind of >> and this is in pan >> but it's in a nice section of manipul.
I know where you are. >> That's on Harvard Street by the cemeteries up there. >> Okay. I bet they will be separ right. working with sewer because I mean we can
tap into the forest man but they the guy had a pretty decent idea where of course you're crossing MBTA but to gravity and drill it under the tracks and with gravity right down to the plant. So I promised them I' give it a shot.
>> That's a really advantage of location plant location. >> Right. Right. And we're elevated up. I mean, it's a perfect setup for that. Yeah. >> Yeah. And of course, there fire sprinklers and all that stuff.
What size domestic lines you looking at? >> I'm not sure. We need to get some proposed water stuff on there that we can take and review and comment on and move forward from there. Right now it's 8 in as she says 8 inch
water water again. You know we said in the previous discussion it's 12. So in the dead man it doesn't work. So if you run it up there and then back down that paper street and then tie into that
makes a lot more sense. that whole cross tie thing you mentioned. I wonder if that makes any sense. If I come in here, right, you go all the way around here, would you >> you need the separation to get the flow
when you're that close enough just like a >> a lollipop dead end. That's why I mean you heard him talk was like 300 feet of separation, two taps that get your flow, your circulation the street, but just to come loop it back into itself. You're not okay. You don't have two draw
points. So if you have two different means that you tap proper is ideal, >> which is what we're doing. Two two different taps ideal. Then you get that that flow that redundancy. >> So you eliminate the water main going down there and you
>> I just run it all the way around, grab this building, come right back up to paper street. Yeah. >> Now if that makes sense. >> That paper street. Is that uh the proper way? Is it laid out by the time that's necessary?
>> Yeah, I don't think it was laid out by the time goes way back. Um >> you'll have to make sure that there's an easement there recorded. >> Yeah. >> Worst case is I can kind of keep it over here on the side right here. I can stay
out of the way. Actually, the town owns this little rectang and how you get the access to Papa Beach from the woods right in the middle. >> Well, this this land goes with the development. So, there's an easement
across this this parcel area. Is that what you mean? >> Yeah. I just I mean I'm looking at this house and that's the easy rate against the evacuation. >> No, I wish she wouldn't turn those lines off. That's the limit of work that she puts everywhere and everybody starts, >> you know,
I just had it with the landscape architect this morning. I'm like, "Nope, don't pay attention to the yellow line." >> Like if I owned that house, I really might be a little bit >> right. So there's a I think it's 50 ft. Yeah, there's an eastment coming off of
Copper Beach changes in elevation. >> Yep. >> Now all all these roads will be private. >> Correct. >> Okay. Again on either side. >> Okay. Requires Yeah. recorded easements
for everything. And typically with these 40Bs, especially in apartments, normally I come in with detailed all, you know, right, with all of the bells and whistles on it. But in this, you're just trying to get the concept >> approved,
>> start the concept, >> right? ZBA approves it. you got your you have your will serve letter and then you go off to your construction docks and you know and um you know meet with you guys and everybody else. So I apologize
for just the it's general at this point. Yeah, I'd be looking to see more detail as far as size of pipes, locations, locations going in other utilities separations and she probably has a lot of it. It's a
29page plan set, >> right? So, there's a lot of section details at the end. I didn't want to, you know, busy it at this point, but I can I can certainly send you over a full set. Why don't you find out what she's got in there first? Yeah. It's going to
be more descriptive as far as you know where taps going to be to get water in there, where gates going to be, where hydrants are proposed, where >> FDC's are proposed, fireflow tests, and what's is there adequate fireflow
there to meet the four story demand? Well, typically if there's not, I do fire pumps, which I did in an hour. At the time there was two or three years ago. That was a quick conversation with somebody here, but I've not done that
stuff there yet. >> So I think that's kind of a starting point. But I mean correct Kristen that start with a boflow test to see what the deal with for residual pressures and then kind of build off of that. Y >> uh yeah, that'd be a good place to
start. How late in the season do you allow it? I mean, we still have time. >> Yeah, I think we should go up to like November. Once that's cold, we won't do them because it's Yeah. Too risky with ice because of disruption that road has
hazard to a safety point. >> So, and I can use I can just use a vocals, right? Like uh you know wind or >> Oh, really? Okay. >> We do the firework test. So we know what's going on. We know we can see what
tank levels are, what pumps are running and get a real accurate readout. So So I would book it with you guys. >> Yeah. In conjunction with our engineer availability. All right. >> Get a baseline step design.
Something else we get to another >> before we go too far because bothering me, you know, it's been bothering me some six weeks ago and it brought up came brought nothing to do with this project. It was brought up uh to me last
weekend. Someone asked me, uh, we rushed through the vote to eliminate the restrictions and water hookups because of the potential demolition permit was going to be put into the mall for
Costco. >> That was some six weeks ago. To my knowledge, I still don't think any permits have been pulled for Costco. I still haven't heard from either one of you two a reasoning for the humiliation
that you felt you wanted to put on me by holding a meeting at town hall for a vote that we knew what the vote was going to be at the beginning but you had to do it at town hall so you could have your friends and the sewer commission there and post a police detail from
another town so that uh I wasn't disruptive or somebody wasn't disruptive and and yet, you know, to my knowledge, Costco still hasn't done anything. >> I'm just wondering where we are since the rush was was such a rush. Even the
town administrator at the time had recommended that we wait until we got something from D, but the two of you chose not to do that. We had to make sure that the SW commission was happy and they were there and smiling. and the
humiliation that I had on my face even though I didn't wasn't quiet. I just, you know, I'm still wondering why. >> I'm sorry you took that personally. Wasn't my >> you didn't. >> And let me finish with and I am curious as well. I haven't heard anything since then as well. I was kind of surprised to
see things didn't occur in September, but I don't know the reason behind that. So, I wish I wish I could answer that as well because I have the same curiosity. Anything else for Mr. Lincoln here at all or are we all set for now and some more plans
from you in the future? We look forward to seeing you. >> So, can I can can I request a will serve letter because I think that's I think >> I'm not sure we want to do a will serve letter until we've had some plans to
adequately look at and you know fireflow is taken. I mean, you know, >> there's a process that we need to go through to make sure that we're protecting the town in every aspect of the deal. Are we opposed to working with you and giving you what you need?
Absolutely not. But to put something in writing at this point, I think it's a little little early in the >> fireflow would be a big thing for us. It's not the robot the most robust section of panel for water. >> Okay. >> We need the silicate fireflows to get a sense. >> Then we're talking about fire pumps. So,
I'm I'm perfectly fine with that. >> Thank you, sir. >> Yep. All right. >> And if you want to reach out to me, I can work with >> I was just going to walk over there and see if we can [Music] >> those two will put together the highest
give us a call for focus on this meeting. >> All right, that probably be great. Thanks. >> If you can make sure that we get at least two full sets so Chris can have one. >> I will have one. I'll make sure all the details are there this next time. >> Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you very
much. Thanks so much, >> Kristen. You're up. >> There you go. Got myself back off mute. Okay. Um Okay. So, uh looking at the agenda, u the first item is the Main Street water main project. Um, there are
still a couple of punch list items that the contractor needs to address. There's three locations that require some loan and seed touchup um to establish some vegetation. And then um Chris noted that there's a a
depression or just a little dip at um the end of Summer Street where it transitions from the new pavement to the old pavement. So, we've notified the contractor about that and waiting for some response on their plan to correct
those items. Um, I sent Chris the detailed tie cards that we were able to pull together from the um the markups that Matt took. And we have some questions on those. Chris,
you probably saw if you opened up the file. Yeah, I was looking at it trying to I was trying to look at the um tie cards and Matt's notes trying to see if I could >> decipher. Yeah, >> I can kind of read it as chicken scratch
a little bit, but someone's got me trying to figure which way to hold it and look look at it. >> Yeah, I thought you might have some better luck. I was hoping that maybe you had a a training class in Matt's handwriting or something help with that.
So, um, >> reviewing those. So, hopefully tomorrow be able to get through the rest of those and then go back and check my notes and >> look at what I have that Matt left us with his, uh, his day book. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's um, that's almost done.
>> They didn't know much last week. >> Yeah, that right. Yeah, they're getting a little tight on time for getting that done, but at least it looks like next week there might be some rain, too. We get the cooler weather, so it's a better time. They wouldn't have been able to do it three, four weeks ago. It was still
too dry. So, now's a good time. Um, >> again, if I had known CC was going to be in the area checking those punch list items, I would have absolutely made a point to to
meet their representative out there to discuss and review things and point things out rather than them just see breezing in town and out say, "Hey, look, we're in town." You know, the office is right around the corner. >> Right. I agree. Yeah. I know they do
seem to to breeze in and they don't communicate. And I think if they had communicated before they did the previous list, they probably would have been able to address everything or maybe not the seating but the depression at Summer
Street at that point. >> Yes. >> Rather than just saying, "Oh, we don't think there's a problem." You know, if the client thinks there's a problem, then there's a problem. So, um, but yeah, they elected not to communicate when they were out doing that work and
here we are. >> So, um, on the the new well project, um, D did give the, um, site examination review letter. So, that means that the work can progress to the next phase in
that. Um, Kleinfelder is having their surveyor survey in the exact location of the test well that is the one that we intend to proceed with. Um, the way the test flow was originally
located was off of GIS mapping and we just want to make sure before the next step happens that there's a a minimum of 400 ft from the property line to where the test wall actually is. It seems like it's possible that it might be a little
too close to the property line that's down by where the um transmission main easement is and it might need to get moved a few feet to make sure that the entire zone one is
town owned property and not into that easement. So, um, like I said, they have their surveyor going back out to survey that point because he didn't he surveyed in the property lines, but he didn't survey in the location of the test well
for some reason. Um, so once we find out that we'll determine what this next step will be, but either way, there'll be more test wall work that's happening. So
whether it's the exact location where the existing small diameter test well is and they do the the larger um size hole or if we have to do something else then we'll deal with that at that point. So we'll have another update from them um
next week, but I'll check in with them about the survey or status um this week to make sure that's expedited. Um any questions on that? Okay. Um the um Mass D water audit grant
program uh they released their request for interest document. Um, so that's a involves a a fair fairly simple um application form that you fill out with a letter of interest and um so I drafted
up what I could and sent that to Chris and Stacy for their review. Um that's those letters of interest and the application form are due October 30th. So there's a little bit of time here. uh you basically just want to position yourself
as well as you can in case there's you know too many that they can't award them to everyone. So to include a little bit more about um the work that you've done and are still doing to try to reduce the anaconda water and like express you know
why why they should pick you guys over somebody else >> that all dress that together. Um, is there anything that is needed uh from our office here to keep moving that forward?
>> Uh, well, the um expression of interest letter, you guys should put that on letter head and that would be something that would be good to do. It's emailed into mass D, so it's pretty straightforward.
Um, I put you in as the primary contact and Stacy in as the secondary contact just in case they can't get a hold of you for some reason when they do the announcements. U, but this this is a program that D
pays for it. So, they identify consultants and they'll assign a consultant to you. Um, so there's no funds that go back and forth between you. You're not signing a contract like with some of the other grant projects. The town's not signing a contract with D
to have funds going back and forth. This is all handled, the funding side is all handled by them, but they will require you to be involved um throughout the project, helping to provide the required data to their consultant, you know,
being involved in meetings when they need to and and questions and such. So they did have a pretty quick turnaround time on wanting to be able to provide the data by early February. So that's in that commitment letter and
the application form. So just that'll be a good time to start preparing for that over the winter. >> I did notice that we're in kitchens in tier one versus tier two or three. Does that make it more advantageous for us or
less? Um I they didn't include how they weight them, so I'm not sure. >> Okay. >> But you know, you Yeah, you have you're on that tier list. You're an MBTA community that actually accept, you know, adopted that or voted that
condition in. So that gives you extra points. Um and having the higher accountable water demonstrates a need for it. Anything else? Kristen, you all set? >> Um, that is it.
>> Thank you so much, >> Kristen. Is the letter of interest and the completed grant application sent in at the same time at the same place? >> Yes. >> Yeah, they both get emailed to Jen Derso at D.
>> Okay. All right, Chris, you go. >> So, I've been in touch with town council and the May family with that uh donation to the water department and I believe we just need to take do a roll call vote
and sign the acceptance of that >> and then uh I can submit that to town council for recording. Okay. Can I do the motion or should I move to here I move the board accept
the donation of land known as 37 clearing farm road kingston mass shown as lot 8A on the plan of land titled definitive subdivision Gernet Woods Kingston Mass dated July 12th 1989 by Coler and Co Antonio incorporated which
plan is recorded with the Plymouth County of deeds in book of plans 43 page 338 for water supply purposes as authoriz authorized under chapter 239 of the acts of 1885 and further to authorize the chair Robert J. Lansson to
execute entering and all documents necessary to effectuate the acquisition of said property there. Second second call Richard Luring affirmative affirmative affirmed by the chair as
well. So just yes as of October 14 and zero. Okay we're all set. >> You think you have problem? >> Yeah. Why don't you sign sign besides? Yes. Yes.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just sign right in here. >> Been a lot of back and forth. It's been it's been a project >> a worthwhile project. You know, yes, >> piece of land that you won is the water
department's name on it was important. >> Thank you. >> Verizon wireless has been in communicate with our office to in great interest to put uh Verizon wireless cell equipment on the street water tank. Currently they don't have any equipment there. I'm sorry. You start with that.
>> There's one more thing that just has to >> just So, Verizon Wireless has great interest on using some space on the L street tank. I've gone back and forth with Verizon Wireless and Town Council on
they just want to do a set up a site assessment to see if it's going to be a viable site for their equipment and that it's a a clean suitable site. So in the back here, we're looking for signature to give them just access to the tank, be able to go
in and see if it's a suitable site. Once that's down and they say yes, it is a suitable site, then they can get into negotiating rental terms and rates based on that. >> They got negotiated with town council, town manager or us.
>> Typically, that's done with the board of select and town administrator. >> Okay. >> Um, and nothing gets put into motion without consent and agreement with the board of water and the board of selectment. They did provide a um
a proposed lease agreement with cost. I talked to town council and they said that is way below what the market rates are currently and substantially less than what we collect now from the existing tenants. So that's something that we
have to be worked up negotiated based on. >> I suspect that's how they start out. >> Sure. you know, see it is compared to existing contracts we have with existing carriers on the bank and then based on what town council recommends for
appropriate rates. So, I'd like to make a motion to have Chris sign this is the tenant, not property owner, but superintendent and he'll be one the one person that you
know would be around should be any other problem. Well, yeah, I agree. >> Yeah. Moved and so voted if that's what we need to do. >> So, Chris will sign this.
>> And um Bobby uh bud, you made the motion to >> Y second. Sorry, take care of that. Um, our quarter three samples for D have
been collected and submitted to the labs for analysis. So, that's good to get that done. We're now into quarter four. So, moving right along. Uh the road crew mentioned that the guys have been working very well
very closely with uh the highway department with their ongoing paving projects pre-arking gates getting gate box covers loose providing rises. So I just want to make sure it's noted that there is great communication with acting superintendent
Sean Turner and his former Adam working very well you know communicating you know asking us keep us informed of things they go through their several lengthy reservicing projects throughout town you know all crews have worked very well
together it's renewal time for drinking water licenses. All the guys have completed their continuing education hours and are in the process of submitting their applications for renewal. I've encouraged the eligible uh staff members
that can go for whole status to do so. I strongly encourage them to go to full status instead of OIT. >> Right now it's one one member that's eligible to go to full status. uh other employees they they have a certain enough time and there's a certain
criteria you have to meet the D >> but you are you comfortable that they're heading in the right direction uh motivated >> yes >> okay >> yeah so I encourage the guys to better themselves anyway they can so instead of just taking monotonous classes you taken before go get another license go get the
next grade go get an additional license it's going to better yourself um you know you never know what door may open tomorrow for anybody So that that's going to get that done there. Uh
that's about all that I have. We're on to new business. >> Yeah. >> Did you sell the new truck? >> Oh, yes. The uh the new truck did arrive for >> sign. >> Yep. So we do have that. It should be I just got paperwork away today with the
insurance company doing that. Hopefully tomorrow make the transition into the the new truck that will be a better more road worthy reliable truck for him being able to respond to any type of water
urgency needed the business programs looking at all the stuff core and main the census stuff is everyone in agreement that they're like old technology they're like see have like that extra infrastructure we didn't need that kind of throw them out of the out of the loop. My question is I know
mass insulation sound like they have a good system though sort of stuff. What's the advantage of that compared with Badger? Badgers seem to have something similar, >> but is there what what's your take on those two? >> The mass installations works with any
and all cell carriers whereas Badger is kind of application specific to AT&T Verizon. >> So there's a merger or anything like that, you run the risk of losing that service. [Music] >> Yeah. And we're also going to cost about um
about $60,000 a year for cellular servicing fees. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That was another big catch with the two other vendors that they did have additional yearly fees that were quite quite quite
amountable. >> I think the free pilot program is a big deal. >> Yeah. >> And mass in what's it called? Mass. >> Yeah. They're they're offering a free and the the others either charge or didn't operate. And I think that's a
really important thing is you need to do bad sale works. Is this really what we what we thought we were buying into before we then go and do the entire town. Sure. Makes sense. >> Well, and just to clarify, Badger did offer $500 pilot program which if we
went with them, >> they said they would credit back. So technically it was free, but it required a little bit more work than just installing me. >> Thoughts? >> No, I just think that, you know, we have
to rely heavily on on Chris and Stacy because they're the ones that have to deal with them on a regular basis. We have to look at the financial end of it and how we are going to move forward in any one of the three. And we've got to
look at what DP is saying as far as the upgrading, testing, rehab of any of the lodge meters. Uh still waiting on a response from D from that initial meeting we had. And until we get that,
we really can't do too much, but we need to think about it as we move forward. Not so much a town meeting in a month, but as we start to plan town meeting for for April, we need to have a solid plan
on how we're moving forward, not only for the meter replacement and how we plan to do that, but also where we are with the new well and uh how we're funding that or what we're looking for
funds for that. And I think we need to sort of push Kristen to push the consultant to move a little bit quicker with some finite money items so that we can start to look at because we don't
want to be looking April 1 saying okay we have to come up with how many how many million that's not really good planning. >> So what's what's your what's your suggestion for deadlines for that February? I mean mass mass installation had
proposed doing like 500 meters a year that was with their own installation, right? >> Yes. >> Um which was like just just kind of start >> and that would be approximately $200,000.
So you're looking at a pretty hefty >> and that's that's 500 residential. that's not looking at what D may be requiring for the larger size needs and we we need to put that into
that that package. >> I I think um something that we should also consider is entertaining discussion with the sewer department as far as the cost meters go because the meters >> register as well. >> It's not just our register for
accounting for the water. It's also what their sewer bills are based on that generates their revenue for them. So I I think it would be appropriate to discuss with this board of sewer commissioners that they look at, you know, meters that are in the town sewer area. We're
looking to raise some of this cost because it's the accuracy and the accountability of that water also is immensely tilted towards their their revenue. It's their revenue generator as much as it is our revenue generator. >> That's true. But you know,
you don't necessarily want to spit split who's responsible for for payment. We may need to come up with a innovative way of getting the sewer to underwrite some of it. But the contract between whoever we go
>> it could be treated like a shared cost. >> Yes. >> Like we do with all the other departments then. >> Yeah. I think that would be appropriate. the the amount of leg work that we do to collect delinquent revenues that most of it is for the sewer department. >> Yeah.
>> A lot of these delinquent water sewer bills three4 of that delinquent bill. >> I hear what you're saying though. Any contract we have between us and the water department on the back end of >> the decision on what meter we go with >> Yes. >> is our decision. Oh yes. Right.
>> That's what I'm saying. is we don't need somebody else saying I like I like the purple one not orange one. >> I hear you there. I I get that. I don't think that was even a concern or thought. >> No, I think it's we need to be care. We're not going to have two different style meters because
>> Oh, we're going to buy No, it's uniform right across town. We're have one network one. >> I just want to make sure that I've said what I've said at the meeting. >> That's a great point. It's a great point. Do we want to move ahead with just the pilot though or do does it sound like especially
pilot? >> Yeah, if you can take a look from go after a couple of the business meeters and that was they were talking the meat and potatoes. >> We think that's where the money >> the money's on me. That's where we're losing the water >> and I I think that's where our biggest uh my biggest concerns are is with the
meters at town country and coner green. or those are my the one elderly housing >> that's a newer meeting >> the mall that's another concern those are the the big ones that are really on my radar >> would you make that the pilot program
doing the uh the big news >> I don't know how they would bring on those big >> I'm not sure you could do that the other thing is conifer green and town and country >> we're basically if that's what we're doing and we think we're losing a lot of
water there. We're basically hitting probably a lot of the people who can't afford to end up paying more money to begin with. Maybe we need to look at taking certain group of meters that may be
based on sewer certain group of meters that are basically not sure and and identifying how many there are in each one and using that as a pilot program so that we're not basically looking everybody kind of country for green and saying guess what
we know you're losing money so we're going to charge you more I I that's Now we're on app. >> Yeah. And then also like to see, you know, what's the the consumer interface as well. We want to, you know, test that out as well. I think even having
>> I think that's one of the biggest reasons we do a pilot to see how it's going to >> So I I think we need to look at, you know, >> as we move forward with a pilot program. Let's figure out what the pilot program should be and not just concentrate it on the north. >> Oh yeah. No, I mean it's a that's a fair
statement. Look at talk to the the sales rep, you know, what's the what's the best way? We're going to rely on you as your experience, your guidance. You know, we take, >> you know, I'll pick on um how viewers because it's pretty much the same building layouts and the same
occupancies and you say, "Hey, we're going to do three in in their residential. We're going to get a couple of businesses along Main Street have >> people down the can can afford it anyways. So just to to spread things around some residential and some commercial meters.
No not saying go to the big meters right off the bat. Yeah. >> Those are the ones of the greatest concern. >> Well, you were going to see if you could rehab some of the meter. >> We've done accuracy test. I want to see you know what we have in the budget to see if I can get Reagan out again. Do some accuracy test on the other. But
it's tough because like at the mall how you really do that because there's only one meter. At least with country they have another flow. We can isolate that one meter and do a flow test. There's four meters there. So we can take and I see anything at town green. We can
isolate things and see which going which way. But at the mall it's it is what it is. There's no no way around it. >> Right. You want to do a motion then to authorize Chris to pursue the pilot
update in the near future installation. I'll make a motion. Second. All right. You got that Stacey. >> Authorize Chris to pursue pilot program with mass installation. >> Yep.
>> And who made that motion? >> Did I I second? >> Excellent. All right. That >> um you got an abatement request. Yeah, I got an request from
Wested that was behind a wall down in the space. >> This sounds like the kind of thing that we generally charge the >> did vote to evade their sewer portion of the bill. >> So, we know they have a lot of times we
get the receipt from the work. >> This was their first bill that they received. I don't really know what their true actual usage. >> I don't know how you >> I don't know how sewer figured it out or how they came to their
>> So the first bill was based on >> what usage was it >> Yeah. So see how bills Yeah. And one of them the first bill that was the previous owner. >> Okay. Um that first bill was only a partial because they bought um >> this one.
>> Yeah. Midappril. >> So I don't know. >> So now days worth. >> Yeah. >> What the number is you want to do? >> I think just the final bill there first. Whatever. That's just >> Well, I mean we did pump and treat
56,000 gallons. So >> I mean I guess you just do it at the lowest tier. >> We do at the lowest price because we pumped it in in I mean it's not alcohol that we lost to meter.
[Music] >> All right. Um so who wants to make that motion? >> So I'll move it second. >> Okay. Okay. And there were just um two notices in
there that we at the end very endation >> Oh yeah. >> concerns with people um >> installing new. >> We're going to have to follow up because I've not heard back from these individuals. >> New construction or >> Yeah. One of them was on the corner El
Street and South >> No, it was on further than South Street. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and >> so they couldn't have gotten a permit
because it was right. >> I I give up. I don't think there's a permit required to install anything like that. It's people that one of them that owns a landscaping irrigation company. >> Is that something we could require as a permit so that companies know they might
be? >> We have some irrigation companies that call us and like want to know if our rules and records have been updated and they they like they know. Then I have other ones you know that
>> res money and >> do we have any any ability to to that town >> I mean once you notify them you can do their say that you can charge them a fine for >> is the installer at you know
>> is the installer liable >> liable for anything that's the question I >> should be Because I think if you're reputable >> company bottom line is you can't do it. We said you can't do it. >> There's any no one pulls a permit to install irrigation. They just do it. So
it's not building the building problem and the plumbing inspected. So it's just >> installers know they're going to be liable then they'll stop doing that's solution and they won't if someone calls and asks them they'll know that they they're going to be held to account.
>> Yeah. It's the homeowner though that's held to account, >> right? Yeah, >> right. >> I'd like to shift that. So, >> and both Chris and I noticed the one at 375 Elm Street >> literally five minutes from me and he called me. I mean, it was a big installation and
I've driven by there a couple of times since then and the whole >> I mean they were hand delivered the notice and our guys physically spoke to the people and they didn't look too happy and they said that it would be attached to a well but
>> would be show me where in the other letter I never got a response. Do wells have to be registered >> for the board. I don't know about irrigation. >> I don't know what irrigation water irrigation knows. >> They're supposed to have a sign saying
well well watered by well >> not well water [Music] >> situation sticky. All right, there's something else [Music] moving.