Being 4:30, we'll open up the uh sewer commissioner meeting. Uh Elaine I Watson I >> Ryan Dono >> I'm just going to take um uh number two out of order review of draftou because Eric has other um obligations
tonight. So, I had sent out a draft and, you know, just marked up what um Eric had sent us if we just want to, you know, look it over. I don't know if anybody's had a chance. Um it basically what I did is I just moved
around different um topics. For example, um one of the statements was um ensure roadway restitution complies with the highway department standards and that
was listed under water and sewer. I know water and sewer don't know what the standards are. So I just moved that and made that more of the the responsibility that whenever we do any work um highway highway center up on it you know and you know obviously they
have to be involved through the whole process with monitoring any work we do on site um I changed everything that said sewer department to wastewater department another one said we'll inspect manhole infrastructure every two
years which I believe I put um we high roll inspect them with wastewater and I put in on a yearly basis but jointly they'll go and inspect them type >> and then um coordinating um it says all
departments it says departments agree to hold quarterly coordination meetings to review up and coming projects I put that in highway stating highway um we'll do the coordination and water and sewer will attend. So,
it's those type of just fine tuning. >> The the one major thing I did change was um for staffing it said um wastewater shall um
provide no fewer than one and preferably two employees to assist the highway department with plowing operations. I changed shall to may and Eric picked up on that. So, which I expected to. So, I mean I can, you know, we could go back
and forth on some of the other issues. Uh if you think this is something we can put a clean copy out to everybody. >> We just need to get um feedback uh from from water as well. Yeah. Highway looked at this originally and the police and
fire um and were okay. You know, they added a few I didn't come up with all this. You know, Highway came up with some of it. Fire, sewer, I mean fire and police. >> Um so when these changes all make sense to me. >> Okay. >> Um I I get the JAL to May.
>> Okay. >> Um >> so once we get feedback from from water, then we'll take it back to highway then with a clean copy for everybody. And if we need to have like a joint meeting or something, we can. Um, but just to backtrack, I mean, I think you guys
already know this. So, this is in lie of pursuing the DPW. This is, you know, we can handle 99.9% of the goal by just doing an MOU. And you said at one of our meetings, you're like, why don't we just do anou? Like, makes sense.
>> Doesn't cost anything. >> Doesn't cost anything. your idea. >> So, >> there's a lot of ideas. >> No, no. So, we give you give you credit for that and um yeah, I think I think it makes sense. So, if you guys have
questions for me um I had a quick chance to look at it and and uh first of all, there's two things. One is this is a really good idea just it does address that and >> second as you know independently we were talking about the water commission jointly having quarterly base >> that's kind of put off but we are going
to meet on the 9th I think >> so that's what this dovtales really nicely with this kind of coordination thing that's important >> but I think we need a little more time but I mean it's going definitely the right direction >> yeah yeah >> and the sooner the better because uh >> and just to reiterate too I think I've
said this multiple times like I think you guys have done a a pretty good job of, you know, working with highway and communicating. So, I feel like communication has done been fine with with sewer. This just kind of formalizes it. You know, we're trying to make DPW formalize it through an organizational
structure, but an MOU does. >> Well, yeah. >> So, it just formalizes it. And the only comment I I have here on the side basically is um typically when road work have been done by us and it's the project um the engineers sit down with
the police department and figure out a traffic plan. Now if if highway wants that that's fine or if we still going to say say the same process we do now that's the only real question. >> Yeah and we have to kind of work that out with with with police. Yeah exactly
you know the actual uh details. So yeah, if that makes sense. >> Other than that, I mean, I don't think there's anything. >> Okay. >> Just I I I bring this up because came up as part of the issue to help this formulate through you, Eric.
>> Uh the traffic issues and some construction work that was done and I I went back to I reminded some people who most of them weren't around. Um but when we did this project the first time, >> Yeah. It was like amazingly difficult.
But this what you're trying to do here, we did very intensively. Yeah. >> We had everything shut. We were working nights. We were working weekend. We doing all kinds of stuff and it went really well. >> Right. >> And we even had, you know, we had the nook >> tall tied up, but most people didn't complain too much because they knew it's
coming and they Yeah. We did one street at a time. These folks live down there. >> Yeah. >> You know, that was 23 or four years ago. But >> Right. >> You can do it right. There's a way to do it right. Just communicating. Right. Yeah, absolutely. I think that was what set this all off was just there was a
lot of work done. It was mostly water department that was doing work that there wasn't enough communication ahead of time. So people were like what's going on? >> If you want we can send you we'll talk a little bit more about but we'll send you a clean copy and then >> sure
>> genius and then we'll do any comments on >> so just two small comments other than what Elaine brought up. So, and they're minor, but we're at calls for infrared paving um underwater and shore department shell. Um there was an issue
that we were looking at getting some manholes infrared and it's a very expensive process. So, I would just suggest in that and we can do the verbage on it, but uh or approved alternative method by the highway department. >> That's fine.
>> So, it's like $4,500 a day for for a crew doing that. you can get some manholes raised for, you know, $800 a manhole, right? You got two or three of them, you have half the cost. >> And I know you may have been part of this, but I think there was something recently where where Sean was looking at
even um sharing it because su water was paying more per day than highway for infrared. And they're like, we each only need half a day. Why aren't we just doing one >> right >> for the 4500 instead of one for 4500 one
for 5,000 if you like >> split it in a day and that's why like doing this communication and you know what Dave did earlier just on supplies the same kind of idea of looking and sharing other other towns buying things or cheap
>> yeah the water department turned me on to a co a chemical co-op program that they were involved in >> nice >> and I was able to buy three totes for the price of two totes of chemicals in the past. So, it's quite a savings. >> Wow.
>> Yeah. >> Do this on a county level. >> I know. >> And every time we get a department working collaboratively, you you know, you you find out something new. Yeah. And and learn, you know, some cost savings and time savings. Exactly. So,
uh and it's been great working with Sean over in highway on some of these projects. We had a bunch of manholes on country club way that we had >> that were sticking up quite a ways and now we've got them lowered down to a point >> and you get a price from one bender it
was something like 3,000 per manhole to lower it and then with Sean got a about 800 per manhole. So substantial savings. So some of these things you kind of learn as you go but it's helping working
collaborative. So, and then the other item just to touch on is about that plowing earth. Um, originally our labor position was created with the intention of during these show events, we would supply that person to the highway
department to work through, but we've been short staffed now for about five years. So a lot of times when we have these storm events, we have 16 pump stations to not only plow out but also shovel out plus the plant itself. So
there's a a high demand depending on the storm at what time it hits and things like that. So that's why you know that shell if I'm fully staffed I'd love to give a bunch of two people to the highway bar >> subject to availability >> but exactly so we can work on some you
know >> terminology kind of land >> if we can get everything but that resolved the first round we're doing good >> and and storm by storm you know the highway bomb will call over and ask who's available who's not you know
anticipation of what time storm's coming in how bad it's going to be. You know, there's some nights that we camp out, a whole bunch of us stay at the plant shoveling all night, >> right? >> Opening things up. So, if there is an overflow, we can get support trucks down and deal with pulling pumps and things.
>> Well, here's praying that we don't have uh the big bad storms. >> We've locked down for a long time. >> One of the only good things about climate change >> doesn't snow anymore, have it? >> I was that plow guy that time. and we get 110 inches of snow that it's bad idea.
>> So I was >> day and night day and night >> came from a laborer to superintendent. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well and and just as an information um to you guys um the TA search committee that I'm on. We we
found a person. So we're putting someone we haven't announced it on on the web yet. Um, but it should be potentially tomorrow that we're going to be presenting them to the board of selectment next week and then hopefully moving quickly at the beginning of the year. >> Very good. >> Good. You left be administrative
hunting, but it sounds like it's already done. >> Yeah. And and uh but we still don't have a building inspector. So if anybody Where's the camera? If anybody um Yeah. So all right. Any other >> Yeah, you are.
>> All right. Okay. Um, so better. >> Okay. >> Okay. Go ahead. We're just We had got an approval like a year ago to put an office and a garage.
>> Okay. >> And I have my water um pump out, but I guess I need to know where to hook up. >> Yeah, we were brought in for a meeting about how to connect to the sewer and then it had to go come before the board. >> Okay. What's the property address?
>> 29 Road >> and some it's vacant lot. No, it's a garage. >> It's a garage on the property. >> How do you spell it? >> L E I G >> down in the It's off the phone. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, in front of it, it was They didn't They beded it, but they wouldn't have bed the garage. >> They could have. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So you say >> I mean we when we bought the house 20 2006 it said that there was a stumb
out front. Um so we got the water application here but I guess we >> you had to come down and talk to someone. >> Yeah I talked to you guys on the phone. I'm an excavation contractor, but was looking for the permit and um we had to come before the board, but it was basically if there was a location on the
stuff and if we could tie into it. >> Okay. Um are you a licensed uh drain layer with with Kingston? >> Uh not yet. >> Okay. Um that's part of the process. Okay. Um yeah, it's just a matter of >> Can you pull a road up?
>> Oh, you can. I can. >> Okay. >> The garage is part of a a lot with another house on it. Is it? >> So, it's not. It's got its own deed. It has its own mailbox. It has its own electricity. Um, we have different bills for that and for the house and it's
owned different >> differently. Is there a toilet in there now? >> No, no, no, no. There's nothing >> no there's no no water as to what >> we might as well. Yeah, it probably has a better
>> That sells a bunch of problems right there. >> Yeah, but but when you get your taxes to say anything about it, >> I don't It's like $238 extra on things on the line. >> You I Wasn't there a year that it was finished being paid off?
>> Not yet. That'll be in a few more years. >> Oh, really? >> You bought it. When did you buy it? 06 >> 06. >> They would have paid the pay. >> The bank probably would have made you pay it off. Whoever whoever you bought it from would have had the transfer. >> Okay. She just went down so you can check out a little bit sit tight.
>> Yeah. We'll we'll when she comes back we'll bring you forward again. >> Because we want to get to you as possible as well. >> Great. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Um Mark, you're here for >> Okay.
Okay. >> If he wants to sit over >> if you're comfortable. Yeah. >> Everybody loves to lift the back of my head. >> Oh, there you go. >> Um, so Silver Lake had that issue that I addressed. I think the letter be on the
agenda, but um it didn't appear on this one, but >> yeah, we talked about it. It was on it was in the discussion, but um really comes under >> to do with your manpower. So I think >> yeah, we could do it under seven under staffing. If you take that out of combin >> so this is the the letter that the
school put out. They have three copies of that >> and the attached piece is the actual description of what they're looking for. It's a temporary position to cover vacancy we have medical for the sole
remaining person we have that can operate the plan at Silver Lake which is our director of facilities. We do not have either of the other two positions filled currently and he's been on a stipen to to maintain it while we're trying to fill these other two
positions. So, speaking to what Dave was saying about uh filling positions, it's not an easy process, >> right? >> Um and these positions happen to include being a custodian. So, we're looking at
perhaps separating the two and see if we can at least get into the pot that Dave's diving into that just has. But if you find anybody that would like to do both jobs, send them our way. Um, this is the copy of the permit, which probably
Brian can understand, but >> but I made a copy that's like 30 pages. So, I made one of those. So, I don't know. This is over $10,000. It requires three bids. I'm not sure if you would bid it as a group or if you could pass
it on to anybody that might in your workforce that might want to do it um and may be qualified to do that based on the requirements that are in the I just thought it would be nice to have somebody that has a little bit of ownership in our plant, take care of our
plant, not a total stranger where we don't know what we'll get at the end. So, I believe I haven't read that. I got it this afternoon. Um I believe any major maintenance or anything else this this backfill staffing to come in from our custodial staff to do heavy lifting
and move stuff which is what historically has been happening. Any big pump or anything needs to be moved or done. You r you can rally the rest of the workforce. So it's not uh uh something that requires a lot of manhour. You wouldn't have to send your whole team. It's daily maintenance part
that we need to do to make sure it's done right. Okay. And this is a grade four. >> Uh I >> I'm looking quick and I >> Yeah, I I said it is probably it's it's what 24,000 gallons. >> No, this is need >> 36,000 gallons. >> Oh, okay.
>> So, it's it's in there. >> This need to be something that needs to be done within the school hours. >> Uh I don't know if it specifies it. >> I don't think so. because I'm just thinking, I don't know if one of the operators wants to go after work, you know, one of those type of situations
and if there's an emergency during the day. Yeah. Just just a thought. >> Yeah. Yeah. If if this fits into your work schedule, I thought it might be an if we go into a permanent situation and you took it on as a contract regularly, you could increase your manpower base
within the department and then you'd have the contingency to send somebody up and and you'd have a funding source for >> just a couple questions and and um so this second page is that that's the article that's going out >> correct
>> for the longer person or is that >> I think that's just for the short term. This is the short term. Okay. So, there will there will be after eight weeks or so a more official long-term contract. >> We we have to sit and discuss it on December it the first page tells you on
December 11th. >> The committee is going to discuss it as a our facilities committee and if we have to do any major changes, we're going to go on to the full committee at Silver Lake to make those changes. But it involves the union with the custo custodians. So, I don't think it's going to be a quick fix, but we may have to
extend the short-term one just to cover if we don't fill either of those positions. But if we look at a long-term fix, um, you know, if there's a way that you within what you have as resources, you're the only town within the region that actually operates plant. So, it's
not like >> Aren't we lucky to say the best thing we ever did? Tell you that. >> Bloomington doesn't even have what? Okay. >> So, basically, just throwing it out there long term, um we could get a grade four licensed operator paid for by the
school by Silver Lake, >> right? >> Um on our staff funded by Silver Lake and then we would manage this treatment plant. >> That would be a one >> one option. Another model would be that you u you are able to go out and
contract to take care of it and then you would have an additional person that's full-time your benefit package and everything else. So we do this with the police force with our resource officer. So we put the funds up but that person is still a member of the police force. Yeah.
>> So um I'm looking at that model probably easier than us turning around and having a grade four. You know, it it's it just I think there's an opportunity for economy of scale and saving some money here. >> Yeah. >> So, the uh the operator, the person
who's been operating now, is he available to talk to? >> Yes. >> He's going to be available till Christmas time in and before the medical. >> Okay. So, that we have some transition. This is not an RBC. This is RBC. I mean, this is not a our plant is an RBC. So,
it's a uh a little different technology and it's not in the best shape, but I went and looked at it because that's one of the things I'm talking about. We're trying to get people trained to do this, you know, as we talked about before. So, maybe this is something to take
under advisor. So, I'd be happy to take this and work with Dave and see if there's anything, you know, we're not going to fix tonight, but >> just to get the discussion going and and I've made I actually asked my wife this so she won't kill me. But um I could actually maybe stick my neck in this for
a shorter time. See how they works and then we can work something out and I could be I'm a grade six so I can do anything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So I can say is the point of contact at the school and if you you have my >> help you at least in the short term hit it over the hump and then figure that
out and I don't want to pay anymore. >> Yeah. Hey almost overqualified but hey we'll take you to be a custodian too. I know >> I'm not into heavy lifting anymore. >> There you go. But uh anyway, Mike
Lawless at point of contact and if you could copy me as facilities chair at So I appreciate it and see if we can come up with some win. >> Yeah, I mean it's definitely a good discussion. >> Awesome. >> Hopefully it works out for all of us. >> Yeah. Any other questions?
>> Sorry. Oh, quotes are due by December 8th, >> right? So, it's still the short term and I appreciate your welcome. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Thank you. One one other thing, Mark. You have an estimate from uh 10,000 to 100,000.
>> Yeah. Isn't that wonderful? >> This is what I deal with all the time. >> Yeah. Here's what this is what I do. >> I can do that. >> No one shows up to bid. Maybe we can go 999. You know, it's a process that
unfortunately makes running schools expensive. >> Yeah. >> And the prevailing wage and everything else, you know, you deal with >> Yeah. Let's just let's talk about it. See what we have. Yeah, we don't have enough to do, but I'm certainly we're going to take a look
and see what I'm going to pass this to my nose. Does it feel better? >> I don't think so. But that but the the good thing is we have capacity. So we'll get you the sewer. It's just based on
the plan how it's going to how it's going to be. >> Well, if the vetamin fee has already been paid on that, then we don't have to pay for a betterment if it if for some reason. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. That's why we're trying to figure this out.
>> Yeah. So tonight we can see how easy it is to connect and then we can and Genie can manage how it's going to be paid, if it's paid, if there's no I mean all of that. But I think your immediate need is can you connect? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. number >> 29. >> But when I was at the water department, they said that they don't see it come up as a number. So >> yeah, cuz you bet. >> But I know that's my mail box. >> Is that how it goes?
>> We got Yeah, the house is over in Larson. >> Yeah. >> But when we put the mailbox out, they had told us we had to have a number on every building. I think it was for the fire department. And I don't know where we got the number 29. >> What? I'm thinking of I'm I live down
there, so I'm trying to think who what's who the owners. >> Aula. >> Okay. Who owned it before you? >> Um Larson. Uh as the the older one. >> Okay. Okay. >> You know, >> when you go down road to Shore Drive,
it's like the last It's like a garage right there, right? >> Yeah. Because there's only the guy on the corner and then us. >> Yeah. I know that garage. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because you live right through the >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. I'm on Cole Street. >> Yeah. Cole Street.
>> Um so, so short drive has got sewers. So, even short drive does I forget specifically what was in front of that garage. This is showing a force man, but I'm not that's further out. This this this plan
here shows us the first when you come on Ling Road, the first house on the right. >> Y >> that's on a pressure man. Uh but further down I want to say that I'd have to look. >> What about Paige? >> I want to page. >> Yeah, Paige has Yeah, right at the
intersection. There might be like a little bit right there. Remember years ago was brought up. Yes, we were we were supposed to get it, but then they put a cap on the >> on Yes, I think so. On the sewer was at capacity like 18 years ago.
>> Um, and then when I got this building permit, then the water was at >> Okay. >> So, it's never been >> So, the water can do properly. >> Now, the water's good, but they said the sewer wasn't. So, but now
>> we're good. We have had capacity. >> Yeah. >> So, >> you just got to get to there. >> Yeah. So, I think what it what it comes down to is >> um we have the capacity. So, it can happen. It's just a matter of what how close there is for a connection and what
that that would be on on you to pay depending on the connection to get from that property to >> to the nearest or line. >> Yeah. And I'm pretty sure when you come off of Shore Drive, you come up lay road.
What's the first ride? >> Page. Page. >> I think Paige runs down to lay road and then down to short. So I think it would be gravity. I can double check on that. >> If not, >> we do have capacity to right to have you
tie it. >> Yeah, it's no problem. It's just your expense to bring it from that garage to the to the street or to the south. >> If there is no gravity, is it just an E1 pump up to the closest point or
>> they should be able to gravity right into main? >> That makes it even simpler. Yeah. >> So, why don't we take a vote to um provide uh sewer capacity to 29 road? um that will give you what you need to
move forward and then tomorrow um Jean between Jeanie and Dave they can have more specifics. >> So who should I reach out to? >> So Jean's off tomorrow for a family issue. I'll give you my uh email here.
>> I'll second >> I'm just contingent on the being resolved on there as well. >> Thank you David. And >> based on that, >> I want to tell you, I'll try and get you a copy of >> So, I'll second the amendment
in favor of the original. Can I take a picture of that? >> Oh, yeah. That might not be the most accurate. >> Oh, okay. Is we're talking >> So, yeah. Let's see. Not that one. the middle. >> That's up.
>> I got glasses. >> We all do from time to time. >> So this area is here >> last basically right would not go out the other street. >> Yeah.
>> So once you email No. >> Okay. She was on the law that I I've always seen that little garage there. >> Okay. So, they have straight down here face page. I just got me digging.
I took a picture of it so that you >> we just got to get you set up as a permanent excavator on our sewer system >> and uh once we get that all set up for there, but I'll email me. I'll get some
information. >> Great. Thank you so much. I'll email you. Good morning. Very good. >> Thank you. Have a good Thanksgiving everyone. You too. And do you go to Maine?
>> Um, I was there to get that hat and all >> Okay. Um, so I might as well turn it over to you, Dave. Um, start with the seage letter that went out and the updates. >> Okay.
All right. So, uh, yeah, Genie um, worked on getting the letter out on our last billing cycle to the septage callers. So, we let them know that the rates are going up the septage from 0.065 cents to 0.07 cents effective
January 1. Uh we did this because we try and mirror our rates with the the rates in Plymouth and once they went up or gone up we just a fraction less than they are just to keep the uh keeping us
as a favorable spot to come dump our septilities have increased greatly since we've gone to a three tank operation. So, we just want to keep, you know, with the cost of everything going up, just keep in line with everyone else in the area. Oh, >> good news.
>> So, that will only help us. Um, what else we have going on? I've been asked by um a developer doing some initial planning up at the mall for some information on
whether they have enough ERUS or how many ERUs they have available. So, that's something um over the next week or so, I should be able to respond to them. They're looking for where they can tie into the system, which um I'm just going to guide them back to the mall
owners property in terms of tying back into their system because uh I'll give them where where our line ends and where the ball ties in, but that's all going to fall back on the hall. uh other than national we >> right
>> just on that point because David mentioned this earlier to me and you that's the right answer to them all but what um the flag came up as I thought about it depending on the volume they're at the far end and I think most of our connections are at the C what was the
C's end there's nothing there's nothing I'm aware of that goes further it's just all internal plumbing comes to a point where it went to the sewage treatment plant that's now gone and then that connection goes to the new through the m through the bottom. How that lays out, I'm just concerned it's
so flat. If they have a big, you know, Macy doesn't have much flow at all. Correct. >> And so just just a flag for you. >> Yeah. >> You know, they may need to come up with a relief sewer or a bypass, maybe a pump station, >> bring it outside >> to bring it outside and run it down just
just so we don't get caught up with this plumbing issue. And >> the Yeah, the internal plumbing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Whatever that is. down all the way down >> because it was only draining toilets, nothing else. >> We either have an eight or a 10 inch main out there. >> Yeah.
>> So, I'll let them know where our ends and where the mall begins. So, they have to work with >> with the mall to decide how to plum everything over to our >> They didn't know existed plumbing when they took Sears down and put those buildings in out to their old pump their old
>> I don't think so, but I I really don't know what up there >> because they did that all on on property. We have no we have no built on >> right. I think all they did was swing from their old treatment plant swing over to our >> right
because I watched them dig it and and it comes out to the road that goes out the back way from the >> car dealer there. >> But >> yeah, >> it's where that is. >> I mean there was a I remember the patch there. There's a and it seems to me it went under the parking lot just to the
left as you come up just to the left of the apartment building. It doesn't go under the cond. So they they stubbed it in that way. >> But again, it's it's it's all I'm just concerned. We don't >> their engineers are going to have to deal with that. >> We don't want to inherit a flat pipe. We don't as long as it stays their
property, but they don't, you know, we don't want to have to be dealing with slugs of grease or whatever comes out of there. >> Yeah. By the calculations they gave us, they're within a couple hundred gallons of their upper limit that they
requested. So they they fit right into what's already committed for ERU up there. Good. From what I see, >> good. Uh so recently we had some uh emails come across. I guess the finance director was
starting to close up the FY25 budget and um Jeie and I have been asked, we got three separate emails to to kind of dig through and we've gone through two of them essentially uh between yesterday and today and a lot of it's going down
different rabbit holes to kind of uh look back at some of the history on things. So we've we think we've got two out of the three issues uh addressed. One of them was a I guess miscalculation on the um
the article in town meeting last year. So it looks like the math from the finance department was done that turns out there's a $59,000 discrepancy what was in there for the
motion. um as to what it should have read. So, we've got to kind of work through that internally, try to figure out how we can adjust this $59,000 shortfall that was um miscalculated, I guess. So, that's an email we got from
the finance department. We're trying to work internally to resolve. >> Was this an internal transfer kind of issue like our money to ourselves? Go ahead. >> No, the the motion at town meeting uh the numbers in the motion were not
accurate which um we have you've got the you got the money. >> So is a transfer was it authoriz move it to one it's our money moving it from one place to another right >> so go ahead. So the number they used
>> Why don't you sit up here so that you at home can hear you? >> So it looked like when they had put the budget numbers up um there was a miscalculation to come to the total after we added all
the indirects. Um, and I believe that Dave and I had given them numbers because the first round was incorrect and they had changed um the wording in the motion. So when we went back through it, it is
off the 59,000 because of the >> a last minute change. It looks like a last minute change happened >> outside ours. >> Well, we if this um we can always request
housekeeping correction at the Springtown meeting. So, if this this I don't know, she hasn't closed the books yet. I don't know if from her side if this is an issue, but from our side we can deficit spend and make the
housekeeping motion at a town meeting in the in the spring. So, we don't want to be the ones to hold up anything, >> but I don't know what it does on her end. >> And this was just brought to our attention Monday. >> Yeah. Yeah. The email went out Saturday,
but you know, when we come in Monday morning and this was okay. think well it's you know 59,000 will be able to work with it I think within our budget especially that you know as we roll into some of these other
discussions like personnel I imagine um that's not going to be a very quick process for us to bring on our two employees that were approved at town heating um so there's there's some things we can work with and um kind of move
things around and if we have to do the clean up at Springtown meeting with anticipation of needing that 59,000 back >> that would increase revenue too with the septage increase and our store rate increase and things I imagine we'll be
okay but that's something we want to do >> next week and the week after is kind of wrap up our 24 25 and 26 and forecast out how we're looking relative to our rate increases and our first two billing episodes.
>> That makes sense. >> So the other Yeah, there's no other prescribers like that that came up with the other questions. >> Uh no, there was just some issues with incumbrances, but we put all that I gave all the documentation for that. Um, and then she's just asking us
to put together some revenue numbers and give information in regard to our rates, number of sewer users, um, and information like that, which is very easy to just take care of. >> Thank you. And then back to Yeah, back
to my update. 114 the laundromat. They continue to make progress. I stopped in there the other day. They have connected their sewer line into the system. Uh right now their biggest hurdle um is trying to figure out their
water side. So they're working on either putting in a private well or uh getting town water um upgraded from what they have for service connection. So that that's outside our department, but as far as our department, things are moving along.
Uh 22 Main Street They are going to be working on that tomorrow. >> Oh, okay. >> Their deadline, I believe, is coming Friday to get that result. >> So, that's moving along. um the leeching
fields. We had a meeting with CDM uh is it last Thursday or Friday and we just went through some updates uh what's expected what's happened so far and some of the seeds have started
taking root up there. They did their hydro seeding in the last couple weeks after they got connected to the water uh hydrant up there and got permission to use the water hydrant. So the hydro seeding is taking place. Some of the erosion that took place in
the last couple of storms, they went back and refixed some of the new erosion. Uh the rip wrap that they put up there has really helped mitigate some of that runoff until the stuff establishes. So that that's coming along.
The agreement with CDM and CC construction the other day with our Zoom meeting was that we're going to let this seed process and field start establishing revisit things in the spring. It'll give us a chance to see
what the seed took and then also kind of get a sense of how much erosion took place over the winter if any. And then they'll have to get in and mitigate those issues. So, we're just going to kind of hold off and see but not close out the contract at this point. >> Okay.
>> But they just add to they're definitely aware that they got it all the way through next spring to and fix anything. It's on their It's on their dime. >> Okay, that's good. >> Their responsibilities. So, they're not That was very clear. That was important
me to hear. >> Yeah. And they have late uh application of the hydro seed, you know. >> Yeah. You know, the mornings lately been getting off these tree lights. >> Yeah, this afternoon was really cold, but the night times are getting pretty cold.
>> Keep checking on it. We we offered to check myself, you know, between Dave and I would check on this thing. Looking at the long-term forecast, it's not going to get cold to the point of being dormant till, believe it or not, until after December. >> Oh, wow.
>> That's the long term. It keeps getting better. So we're going to have 45 55 type days and maybe freezing but that field is up higher so you get wind enough wind if it was down in a bug you don't freeze like anything but it's up high it tends to mix and then it gets
freezing so that as long as the roots don't freeze for like seven to eight days they'll keep growing and with the hydrometron it tends to warm it up and keep it insulated so a lot of things growing good I think. >> Yeah. >> And the grass was that high on the main pot before they hydro seed. So It'll be
monsoons in the next couple. >> Yeah, we know that's the worst thing that happen. >> Yeah, >> that's good. >> Okay. Couple other things that Genie and I have been talking about recently is we have quite a few developments uh happening in town, requests for building
uh whether it's new houses or you know the large bad things. We haven't gone through the process to get >> the hearing aids. >> Yeah, the hearing aids are doing that. We haven't u gone through the betterment process yet. So today we found some u
instructions on how that process is supposed to happen and we just kind of talked with the finance director and we're looking at over after Thanksgiving to trying to get some of the other departments involved with that process that we can then put our heads together
and start getting these sto because it's it's going to come up quick. We have a couple new houses going up at country club way and the uh laundromat. So plenty more coming. >> A couple on how's laying coming through
as well. And then one last item was we took down tank number three. Every six months we'll take down a tank and where we have four tanks. We'll rotate through and just keep three operating. Take one offline at a time. And we check
everything once we pull it down. When we pulled down tank three, we found that a diffuser uh support bracket had let go. >> And one of the diffusers, the pie plate on top actually fell off. So when we
took it down, we actually had a spare one from our upgrade. We did all this work in house. We took down the tank, cleaned out the tank, redrilled supports, and repair the uh diffuser. Get it back up and running. >> Very good. So,
>> it wasn't in the warranty. >> So, okay. >> There was a fixed. >> So, this this is a problem, I think, personally with this. There's so much rebar in that tank when they went to drill the the holes and supports for it
that they were hitting rebar every time they drill in. >> So, they had to use a thinner grade of of rod on this particular section and I think that's what let go. It just sheared off it real close to the mixer. Yeah, >> there's probably a little more agitation
there >> and >> so we upgraded that when we drilled it. Okay. and uh got a thicker rod on it. >> Excellent. >> Hopefully that'll hold things together. >> That that would be a decent program if you continue to could continue to do it
in the slower, you know, like the window months where it's not is not so not all four tanks are full. However, you can work that out to do a regular maintenance program. >> It helps me not have four tanks full. >> Yeah. No, really.
industry as you you know but uh yeah we'll definitely keep three tanks as long as we can before we have to that one >> I don't know where that's going to be >> I know I know it's coming are on the way guys it's just a matter of time
>> but all done in house we going to put those other two >> tanks stainless by the way >> yeah 316 >> and then um I might as well role into staffing. So, um
we put together u a request for our two new positions is a part-time admin position. Uh that was forwarded to HR. I think this it was probably almost two weeks ago now that it was sent on believe it's
Thursday. Uh I haven't heard anything back regarding that position yet. And the other position the uh grade operated position that we want to create plant and collection system that I'm
hoping to have done by this Friday. If not, it'll be by Tuesday of next week. Oh, >> good. >> So hopefully I'll have that at least into the HR department. Then what what happens to it from there? Not quite sure how long that'll take. Um, and then we
our other operator that uh was out for a procedure injury from last January. Uh, there was a procedure done and he's doing physical therapy now and from what I'm hearing there's been progress. So, I'm hoping that we may have that person
back if things go well Januaryish. But, we'll see. That's it. Month by month depending on progress. He doesn't slip again. >> Yeah. >> Come back again. Oh, no. No.
>> Yeah. That was a slick ball injury on the ice. >> I remember that day and I can believe anybody could have fallen that day. It was one of those frozen ice like that slick slick ice that's not it's hard and then they had the coldest snow on probably.
>> Oh jeez. Mhm. And that's exactly what it was. Just a dusting on a sheet of ice. And then other than that, like there's not enough going on. We have uh Jeie and I are going to start working on the FY27 budget probably in another two or three
weeks. >> Okay. Um anybody have any comments on any of that? >> Oh, good news, actually. >> Yeah. reduced. >> Well, we'll do the commitments then. Um, eight short drive, you want to explain that?
>> So, what happened u with this property? It was overestimated for many quarters. Um, their average was like 17,000 gallons. Um, they didn't build them, but they did replace the meter when they were able to get in there. Um, their
sewer bill at present is 138,11.23. 23. So we're going to need to prorrate that um to the 17,000 gallons. So with the consumption user fee and leech and field assessment, it would take it
to $31651. >> $316.51. I'll make a motion to adjust the quarterly bill for Hshore Drive to $316.51. >> Second. Second. All in favor? >> Sure.
>> So that I'm I'm not clear on how the that's going to be the new I'm >> So the difference in gallons between the previous read estimate and the actual read is 159,000 gallons.
So they were finally able to get into that property and adjust and change the meter. So over a quarter they had 159,000 gallons more than they should have and we're prorating it and then from going forward it'll be fixed. Oh, I get it now.
>> And if I can just say one other thing. So on the um steward accounts the 401 um when I take that out and put this new number in, we're still at the same threshold we were the last quarter of like 524,000.
>> Oh, good. that is being built out >> just on the 401s. >> That's a big number. >> Yeah. >> 38,000. >> Have they called yet? >> No, it hasn't been build out. Build it out. They
>> probably down here >> for >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, uh, all in favor? >> I Okay. Uh then the final two commitments 26-27 for $14021 to close out a real estate transaction
and then 2625 for 26639 again another final bill for real estate transaction. I'll make motion to um accept those commitments. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I. >> Okay. So, are we confirmed with the water commissioners for 12:9? And is that a 4:00 meeting or do we know what time? >> 4:00 and we meeting back here afterwards
or no? >> What do we >> I don't >> Yeah. What do we want to do? >> I don't I don't know. I I thought maybe you post two meetings and then we would meet for the rest of >> Yeah. December. >> That's probably a good idea, actually. >> Yeah. Okay. So two 4:00 there and 4:30
here. >> We just and we'll just come back over here. >> And the agenda for that meeting, they haven't actually posted it yet. I mean, what they want to talk about, as I understand it, is meters and paying for meters and things like that, which we can kind of had a little bit discussion
about. And then uh I think we wanted to bring up the quarterly meeting, but now we have thisou. It might be a perfect segue to pull all those things together since they've seen it and they'll have seen our adjustments and >> Yeah. >> Good idea. >> You know, so that could be like our kind
of our semiofficial stud. >> Yeah. >> And what I can do is adjust the theou Dave based on your comments. Yeah. Make sure it looks nice and clean and then you can send it over to water >> and then maybe we want to talk about um
the indirects, what we pay and they pay. >> Yes. Yes. Make sure that they put that on there, please. >> Yeah. Town allocated costs uh upwards of a half a million dollars and there's a even more than that. So, between the two two departments um we're paying a
substantial portion of particular department budgets. So, if we coordinate our um efforts on reviewing those documents, it it'll be advantageous to both of us. be good and then have Jean Jeene and Stacy work
out these kind of things. Those are the perfect things to talk about. >> Exactly. >> And then you know everyone saw the draft I put out and it so the chair of a lot of information commission seen that we've had brief discussion about it. Some of those things are not important and I kind of in the emails we sent
internally one four six and seven and eight those were the ones that they were mainly money and coordinate issues. There's a lot of things there that are important, but they can wait. >> Okay. >> But, you know, I think the whole idea is a living, working relationship that's
all positive, getting things out. So, we uh it just makes everybody happier. >> Yeah. >> And Dave also said that we should have psyched to the plant and to water. >> Yeah. I like the water department will come in and check our meter the plant
just to make sure that you know everything's I think it's twice a year or quarterly they come in but um I've never been to one of the water department facilities in town and I think for the commissions from both departments to see what each other's
dealing with uh you know even down to having just outside thought processes on well what do you have for emergency equipment what is it that we could buy together? Yeah. >> And maybe >> chance of both having an emergency at the same time
>> probably pretty slim. But you know there might be some things even though you want to kind of keep it for uh contamination issues. Keep things separate but there might be some things that you kind of share each other's you know generator or something along that line. >> Yeah. I've always want to see the
manganesees. I asked to do this and we just put together the manganesees iron removal plant. It's up there. That's a big facility and that's a new technology. I'm not familiar with >> grassy hole at the grassy hole. >> That's a whole different >> They got one over on the street too. Oh, that that area. >> That's not for manganesees. That's just
that's that's a carbonate. That's just a buffering. Um >> I thought there was maganese earlier, too. >> I don't think so. I don't think so. I may be wrong, but I don't think the only one is that street's another station. >> Yeah, the South Street. Those are all fine. Well, Elm Street, I don't know how
much they use. You're right. I don't think there's a manganese problem there, but there may be. Sal Street definitely doesn't have that. just by carbonate. For >> some reason, I thought there was the first plant that burnt maganese. >> Well, there's over the old winter one they don't use anymore. Dad had a magnes. >> Okay. >> They really didn't treat it well. I
mean, it was an old thing with the I worked in the way plant and they had this it was very they use green sand which is a special kind of sand and they use wood. Believe it or not, they use some kind of cedar that is have an affinity for maggots that sticks to the
wood. >> Really? Goldfield, >> but it's actually electrostatic kind of thing. It's phenomenal. I mean, it's old. Some old guy back in the 1800s figured this out. >> I'm I've lost the technique technique in my head, but it's just it's fascinating
stuff. >> Wow. >> Okay. So, we'll plan on the December 9th meeting, >> 4:30. Uh we'll gauge, Jeie, if you can gauge what they think the timing would be. We may have to go 4:45 or something, but >> yeah, if we're not first on the list.
>> Yeah. Um figure that out and then um fingers crossed we can uh not re meet again until January. >> Cool. >> But of course, as always, if something happens, we can certainly meet within 48 hours. >> So that was only 3:00.
>> 4 o'clock 129. >> That is the 129. Okay. Got to change that time. I'll do that. Chie, when you book in the room, if you can see who's in after us and we have to be in by a certain time or whatever, that might if we get extended out at the water department, it might creep in on
>> our available time here. >> And if if need be, I can always leave work early. If it turns out a 3:00 meeting is better for better, >> isn't isn't that what is that 3:00? >> 3:30. >> 3:45.
>> That's typical. Is it better if we meet before that meeting just so we don't bump into room issues over here? >> We can see what's available. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. See what what works best. >> The little closet just about big enough.
>> So say like 230 >> um >> Yeah. 230. Yeah. Three. See what's available and then what's available after from 4:30 on. Yeah, >> you're you're the one that has the most
straight with that. I I can actually refer to it, which is nice. >> I I I'll be able to get the time off if we meet the fourth. >> I do have this this phone up on the last couple meetings. This is the amended agenda uh exhibit CDM. I'm still working
on it. So, I don't want to give I sent the copy of this to Jean just so she had it wanted to see it. But the um one of the comments that I've already talked about is following up on our last meeting adding to this uh scope of work
feasibility of looking at a gravity sewer on Marian Drive coming from the top of Marian Drive down under this down to the pump station to address the apartment 40B project and I haven't mentioned today I don't think but and
the feasibility I have an engineering study of that Costwise, how is but it would also because we're going to do Papa Beach by having them separate the scar beach is definitely going the other direction downhill. >> It may make that pump station for the school, the elementary school a minor
upgrade. >> You're talking about 10 15 houses as opposed to 150 apartment buildings going that way. You know what I'm saying? So if you split the flow, I'm presuming that pump station is again this isn't part of the engineering bed, but the one
that's we had issues with this might be a chance to fix that at the same time. >> The one at Hilltop Mar that you've had recent issues with >> Yeah. >> You know, get that. So that's another, you know, putting the apartment building
in there. There's 46,000 I think they 42,000 gallons a day that has the capacity. And the idea here is it goes to the question you brought up earlier, the request from the mall. How much will
this get to the mall ownership? Forget the whatever they're doing. There's other things that the planning department has told us told me about what if that happens. They're talking about we have the MBT overlay. So now
you have three, four, five, 600 apartments more up there. So for Dave and us to have a, you know, we're talking about 100,000 gallons a day for more or more. >> It's just to keep it on the radar screen now because it's
>> you don't want to do half of it and then have go back in, >> right? >> And have 15 different pipes going, you know, just >> you're going to figure what the capacity of those pumps are that there. >> Yeah. Do it all now. Get get it fixed. >> They were they were rated for the apartments up there, but were they rated
for something bigger? >> Yeah. and having >> having Dave >> making the decision that we need if they want I'm making this up a six horsepower pump and he wants us eight we're going to get an eight you know that kind of thing and
>> we don't want to be in a could pump you know whatever it is that we want we want to make sure we're not somebody's going to be paying for that on their property but we don't want to inherit a bar >> well and that's it we do it right the first time >> exactly >> second time >> it's all good news Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> It's interesting that point because I was looking at some plans for town center pump station and before I came here that was all modified that was a smaller plant and then once
big Y and Shop and all that came >> they upgraded Town Center pump station and upgraded the force man going up. >> Exactly. So to your point, you know, looking forward having some options be handy. >> One of the last things I was involved
with is doing that because it >> we wanted that to be a bigger I'm say in the beginning because we knew we're going there but a lot of people in town said no no no no this is where the phase to me phase one was the whole thing >> and back then it was phase one went to the town center and it wasn't up the hill.
>> We started we were having meetings with them already and and then it was like no you can't do that. Well, we're going to do it. >> I remember that. >> Yeah, that's what >> you think. You know those it's just that
that whole brook is right there. >> Yeah. >> You know how many stories people have have said and I know you've all heard them that you'd look between the floorboards and stuff would just be flowing into the Oh, yeah. into the stream or river, whatever. >> I got a ways to go back to when I first
moved to town to get my hair done. And I was looking looking down in the sink and the sink was right down into the river. >> You could see the river. >> No, no, no. I was like I had she go to wet my ear and I'm sink and literally you could see the river running
underneath Landing. >> That was perfect. >> In Landing it was the old what was it's gone now. the oldest bar in in the United States other than one in in uh
down in Florida name that anyways but they they had well I'll sew it from a long time ago but they still up until they closed this bar they had a dumb waiter and they would take beer the bottled beer and and the smell brook went right under the square okay in a
pipe right there they had this they had a hole like a a concrete thing and they would dropped the beer down into this river into they had this it was like the fridge but it went we're talking like the 17 1800s >> keep the beer cold 1800s they went right
down because it was a springfed brook and they you know and I used to go in there you know when I was drinking and stuff back in the high school days you know those kind of things and they they bring it right up and and pull it right out the thing and put it back down. >> Hey >> that's cool
>> it worked. Okay. So, >> yeah. >> So, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> I will make that motion. Second it. All >> in favor? I