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Lot of the blocking our meeting to order. All >> in attendance. >> First up, we have a variance request for 52 road. Mr. Mike, [laughter]

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>> what Mike would like to do is build an ADU. separate from his >> be on property. Uh he currently has a very working system for his his dwelling and what he would like to do is put it

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in its own little septic system for the ADU. However, Kingston has a uh minimum square footage of 800 square ft per bleaching field and obviously that's

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quite an expense for just a onebedroom ADU. >> It's proposed as a two. >> Well, it's proposed as a two because uh the minimum D minimum size is 220 gallons for to build a septic system. So

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that uh is that takes care of too. So that's really the minimum size residential that we can put in. So we're asking for a waiver to be allowed to put in that uh reduct reduction well reduction of however

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square feet. That comes out to 329 square feet as opposed to 800. [clears throat] >> That's what we're asking for. >> Okay. >> That's a significant juice. Yes, this is an offthe question.

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>> Does this system get looked at at all? >> To explain that. >> I'm sorry. >> What do you mean looked at? Does it get fun anytime? Yes. Pumped by Wind River all the time. There's the filter in there. I put the CLR stuff in there. The guy tells me every time only you have to

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come out every few years for you guys probably, but whatever. So, I still have the pump. There's no problems. There's no backup. >> Oh, no. No. I'm discouraged as to whether or not. >> Yeah, >> this has been maintained. >> I was on site. I saw no evidence of anything to lead me to believe that the system isn't fully functioning. There's

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no, >> you know, >> are you putting a mushroom? N >> Okay. >> Okay. Joyce, what do you got to say? >> I been on the site. I understand why they want to make it a separate system.

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it isn't really feasible to tie it into the system in the front given just how the lot is situated. >> I personally think that the reduction because it's a facility the entire acreage still would need the 800 because

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he has an 800 square foot field in the front. So to me adding it separate is not an issue because it's it's still accommodating what the number of bedrooms that are on the facility. >> So then if I'm hearing you right, you'd

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recommend positive action on the varian. >> Absolutely. I see I see no reason not to do this. >> Okay. Anybody else have anything to say on this? >> I would say especially seeing as there's not a washer washing machine on there dumping into that septic. I think it

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would be I think we'll do fine. So, does that mean that washing machine can't be added at some at some point? >> If they choose to and they want to wreck their septic, they can go for it. >> You're not supposed to have a garbage

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grinder either. People do that all the time. So, that that's of more concern to me than a washing machine. >> There'll be no there'll be no grinder in this. >> No, the variance, but not putting stipulations. No. Okay.

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>> No, I'm fine with it. I just was curious about the two compartment tank. >> Okay. Anybody else? >> You have a question about the two compartment tank? >> No, I mean, you don't have to have that if you have a separate 1500, but I guess it's not going to hurt. >> More settling. >> Yeah, I would. I mean, I think it's

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always better to hear on the side of caution and put a baffle tank in for um complete >> or more complete. Yeah, settling so that it's less wear and tear on the SAF. the leeching field.

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>> But it's not a requ. >> Somebody want to make a motion on this. >> Anybody want? >> I'll make a motion to approve as a second. >> Second. >> Any other discussion?

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All in favor? Hi. Hi. >> I'm going to send a variety. >> Okay, Joe. One down. >> I want to give just a second to sign. >> You are welcome to communicate. >> Okay. >> And um

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>> do you mind if I stick around just >> You're welcome. You really want to be entertained. >> I gota go home. So, >> but I will follow up tomorrow. >> And let you know what I learned from the building department.

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>> Super. >> Thank you. >> But at least this way you can get going on the tree. >> Well, you guys got to get there real quick. [laughter] >> This this one is a little different. Uh this is uh 25 street

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uh same twobedroom is is going to be proposed with the same exact system. However, there's a couple of things that interfere with this in a little bit is is there was no way the existing septic

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for the house is quite a bit higher. So there's no way we can get to that without pumping. However, the the biggest problem is is that we're in a zone too uh where we deed says that we're

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restricted to one bedroom for 10,000 square ft. And so we have 47 which is just shy of five bedrooms. So that we're still trying to get a twobedroom >> market.

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Um I mean if you can get away with one bedroom and not have to put a dentri you know what's dentification systems that >> yeah if if if a board uh >> problem with the act two then we have to go to

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>> yeah I spoke at length to d two different contacts um and we're all in agreement that in order for this to go forward an IA system would be needed on the complete facility meaning the complete plot

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because it is already it will be over what the limit is even though it's only by a little it's still over and that's the D regulation and so it would need to go to an IIA both the existing system and the new system and how they design

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that would be up to them >> up to the >> in other words they'd want modifications to the existing system as well as >> yeah because When they installed that house, they did it under the opices of the zone 2 restriction, which says it's

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10,000 [clears throat] gallons uh 10,000 square feet per bedroom. There's four bedrooms in that house. Um and so there is not enough square footage to add even a one-bedroom ADU

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because it's over they don't have 50,000 square feet. >> They're pretty close, right? 4700 almost 4,800. Right. >> May May I say something? Uh when this was constructed, the zone 2

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was not there. >> No, I know. I asked about that. >> I know it doesn't make any difference. >> Yeah, I asked the about that. >> Wasn't there at that time and then the uh town of Kingston opened up another well and then that created that.

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>> Doesn't mean that we can't do it. I shouldn't be doing it now, but we are in an act of two. So, yes. >> And the problem is is I'm getting these are calls I'm getting every day. So, I think the board needs to proceed carefully on this because you're setting a precedent like I've already gotten

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three other calls this week concerning same kinds of situations. So, you may be opening Pandora's box. Spoke with D. That's what they said that the whole facility should be on an IIA. um to reduce the nitrogen load

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>> into the >> Yeah. I mean, >> yeah. >> So, >> so if they were to change something bigger in the ADU, >> yeah, that wouldn't be a problem because the system would be designed to accommodate >> more

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that If there if D is saying >> that this would have to be updated too. >> Yeah, that's >> it might be it might be more effective for one system and for units. >> That would be my thought. >> I don't know.

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>> Yeah. What do you think? >> What do you think? Well, I mean, if if we have to have or if we can only have one system, then obviously we would have it we could do it now gravity by going lower,

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>> if you know what I mean, with a with a a denitrification system. Um, it sounds to me like we're not going to be able to exceed the D's regulations. Okay. I I I'm kind of wondering why we

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can't just dititrify the simple one. In other words, if you need to bring the >> the whole property up to code, you change one thing. The rules for ADU say if if you're adding an ADU, you the

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whole facility, meaning the whole acreage has to be up to what code is now. And I get that this wasn't a zone four, but I I zone two, but I don't have any control over that. And the other thing is this I did look doesn't look

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like there's any um land available for aggregate either, which would be the other option, but there's nothing the land is taken up. No, >> nothing to a way to grab it from >> because that's the only other solution is if somebody's able to grab a piece of

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land that remains untouched, they can that buying a credit so to speak. >> So like like if you bought property, but then >> Yeah. And it's going to be in a in a in the vicinity of where you were and it's nothing. I mean I moved on mapable. Yeah.

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>> So what's your definition of vicinity? A facility just means the plot of land is called a facility. So it doesn't matter if you have one dwelling or three dwellings on a facility. Every dwelling that has a system has to be in compliance with title five. So if you

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have one house and you change the the plot to include new dwellings, everything needs to be brought up to code. That's where the snafu is here. >> You know, I'm just looking at an aerial view. Yeah, on the map it is a tight game last

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night too. But I mean 2,000 square feet is still I mean if someone's got a 200 foot back lot line they taking 10 ft of that property. So it's >> Yeah, >> that's not not going to work. >> I mean it does seem like the only you're saying this is the lower area here, Joe.

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Correct. >> Yeah. So, is this like >> somewhere in this? I know it's not great for the driveway, but there may be and I don't know what the possibility is running this through, but putting it

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somewhere here so it's on one system. >> The the other thing that we we banted about at the office is that right now Forest Street as we're looking at it is not public. private

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street. >> Okay. >> Um so by the derelct fee schedule [clears throat] if if you own property on a private street technically you own to the center of the street. >> So that might be an aggregate but if

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this ultimately becomes >> but it's not impervious but it's got to be a you can't use the street as aggregate. It's not impervious. >> No he meets the setback requirements. But it's not >> purpose

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back to the system or no for just >> if he if he owns to the center then we get to count all this. >> Yeah. The area and I know that we're going to easily get 2,000 square feet out of that.

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Would that be a question for the zoning board? >> But it's it's impervious if it's a paved road. It doesn't meet the standard for aggregate for um >> but Joyce, if you have somebody who has a huge driveway on their property, it

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will be the same thing as the rules. That's just what I can't change. >> This is impervious. >> And it's not subtracted off of it. I >> so there was no reason that because this is paved that it should be taken off

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>> if that is >> a nitrogen cry has to be and very restrictive I mean >> okay >> yeah it would be tough it's a tough but >> we around it >> everybody at the office >> um

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>> yeah I don't know what I know now that um right sold the country club I don't know what the status of the roads are ultimately going to be >> far as I don't think the status of the roads are gonna be >> I mean hopefully sooner or later they're

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going to be public >> I think so >> so it's reaching the end of it for an upgrade >> might be just better off going with a new system and getting a twobedroom rather than the one

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that option is an ads here instead of here. >> This is where the driveway was set up so we could pull that um pull through the driveway and connect to the >> Yeah, just >> I got it. But if you put the ADU over

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here, >> keep the system in the >> Yeah. was what I was thinking. >> Just add on to that. But we still would have to >> alternative unit some.

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>> Yeah. I'm just I'm just trying to think trying to make it >> the most feasible way possible. >> Trying to make it work without having to do a lot of work >> because at this point he's looking at putting in two separate we got to put in one system. No, what I

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said is that all systems on the property need to be compliant. Whether you choose to do a new system for the ADU and upgrade the current one or combine it into one system is you guys your decision. I'm just saying that

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everything on the slot has to be compliant IIA compliant to title 5. How you guys decide to do that? I'm not paying the bill. It's not really right for me to tell you what you have to do. I thought when I heard you that we would

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have to dititrify both whole systems, >> right? No, I'm saying that you can choose to do that >> or you can have get rid of this system and make one system that services this house and the ADU with dit one system

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that's IIA that with ditrification that services both the original dwelling as well as the ADU and that's in just one system. >> Okay. So if we just hypothetically if we just took that and put it on the end here,

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right? And and then in other words, we we end up with one system, but we have to throw a denitrification here and then we have to somehow pump it up. >> Yeah. >> That's why if you move it to over here, >> again, that's up to the >> You only be saving the pump.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's all. >> It's all you'd be saving. When you're building, you're looking at >> AI is around 30 25 >> 25,000. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> And that's not an installation. That's just a bias. >> That's why it seems like to me it would be better if especially if that systems at the end of it like do one system. >> When was the last time the system on on the existing house had a title five done? I can't tell you because I I don't know off the top of my head.

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>> It probably >> It's probably It's in the file if we had it last. >> They had a repair in 26. >> I wonder. >> Yeah. How old is this? >> You said >> I think they built house in ' 89. 89. Yeah. So that's pretty old.

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>> That's what I'm saying. Like you're at the end of your life with that. >> Yeah. It's already 37 years. So wouldn't it make more monetarily in in for the >> Where's the homeowner? >> My understanding he's elderly gentleman.

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No. >> Yeah, he he works. >> Okay. >> No, I just get that that we're like throwing stuff around and I know the homeowner might like to have a little input. >> Um [laughter] >> yeah, I I just I just don't talk to him

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if I tell him he's going to have to put a deification system deal. But one thing about the deification system is it's going to get stupid, >> right? But but the the added cost is going to put them over the uh over budget already. So it's um

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>> and then it was going to be what four times a year. Is that what >> the service contract that they will come out and it's spelled out. Some people are four, some people are two. Depends on the system that you have. >> I might go. >> Yeah. But I mean that that's an added

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cost for everyone. Yeah. Yeah. And it gets deed on your property >> that you're required to have a yearly contract. >> Yeah. I mean, I just want to give up an AB scenario. >> No, you better to have all the information. So, he goes into this making decisions based on what all the

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information is. So, I I would want all the information if it was me making that decision. So, ask any question you want. >> Yeah. I I mean, if if this is not an AB scenario, it's just an A scenario, then, you know, that's what I'll tell him. I just, you know, originally he wanted the two-bedroom. It's only a single guy. I

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don't know why it had to be two-bedroom. >> Um, you know, could have made it the one bedroom just so everything could go through, >> but it wouldn't have gone through even with the onebedroom. It's still shot of square footage. So, >> so the existing house four bedroom, >> I believe. Yeah.

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>> Would he ever consider being a bedroom >> to make it a threebedroom and a oneb and be restricted? the D does sell that house and they're 80 and behind. >> Well, the other thing is I haven't walked the house and it's a big house

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and it says it's four bedrooms, but my guess is there might be more rooms in the house that and >> it could conceivably be bedrooms. I don't know for a fact, but I'm looking on when I looked on the vision card. >> Um, >> so it's not as easy as just saying I'll

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just >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yes. I have to actually go and see the house look at it process >> make the existing system >> big enough >> right totally

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>> you don't need denation but >> and you still have to put the little separate system in but the one bedroom the existing system stays as it is to the life of it >> you know till it's dead and >> so they're not very Okay.

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>> Sorry. Can I have that one more time? [laughter] >> So, your options are I do a walk through of the house to look at the rooms. If it is a true fourbedroom and they are willing to deed restrict the house, that means that if they put it on the market,

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it gets sold as a threebedroom house regardless of what's in it. >> They could do the onebedroom ADU >> with a with a >> with its own little system. the original stays as is, but he should also be aware that that one's at the end of its life,

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and he's probably going to be upgrading that sooner rather than later. So, >> well, an AB is better than just an A. >> Yep. So, >> we were giving you options. >> And if he has questions, he can certainly call me directly. >> Joe, what do you think? >> Well, I think that they're willing. I

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don't know what the inside of a big house looks. I mean a little bit >> I'm sure it is but still a conversion maybe it wouldn't be gone you can you can call it which should not

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be the end of the world that's position that have six rooms in it and discharging to it and we're in a zone too right we're in a zone too well we expectation system. It's one system or

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both. >> That's the end of I mean that's how you would do it, Joe. >> Sounds like the most practical. >> That would be the most practical. >> I would be two separate systems. >> Oh god. Yeah. >> Yeah. You don't want to put two ditentrifications? >> No. >> No. Is there is there any possibility

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that that given so that it wouldn't need to be pumped up that that would be moved to this area and a small you know small driveway I don't know what zoning requirements are if they allow that don't allow it but if

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the potential to relocate that ADU like Heidi said over here it's much closer and you're keeping >> and you donate a pump >> and you're keeping the system, you know, all in one spot.

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This this area open >> and add on to that. >> Yeah, >> that's what I was thinking. >> Yeah, I I understand what you're saying, but the the way the house is set up and he'd be able to look at the backyard and keep an eye on his grandkids. I I I know he's want

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>> No, that's fine because I don't been to the property, so I'm just going off >> just going over the way he wanted to situate it and back deck and stuff like I get it. >> So, it's where it stands. >> It's alone but together. >> Correct. Exactly.

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>> Personal space but connected. >> A lot of moving parts here. We got to we got to talk to the the homeowner by some way. >> What do you want? >> Yeah. Because I mean you certainly so trying to steal land from on the street you don't think is is a feasible option. That's not a C option.

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>> Not where the where Indian Pond is sold >> and that goes public. Okay. >> Now you just opened a giant can of water for the next, you know. >> No, I understand. You can't do that. You

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can be >> You also want to look for a longterm, you know, you want to do it right. So resale value, you don't shoot yourself in the foot by doing something and then when you go to sell it, it becomes a problem. Now, either the new

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guy's getting the problem or you're going to have to fix the problem before you solve it. So, you know, >> why do we do this? >> Why don't we give this back to you? >> Yeah, we just withdraw it without taking no action. >> Yeah,

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>> we've had a good discussion about this. You have your options. Do you think >> I think the big big thing for me at this point is is the one on Higgins Higgins Road. If if the board is willing to

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reduce the because there's going to be more ADU of another. >> Oh yeah. System that's 329 square feet. But the difference is this property

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wasn't zone too. >> But I don't think we I don't think that we nobody on the board had an issue with reducing the sizes of if it needs to be a separate system because logistically you can't connect the ADU to the

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existing system. I don't think anybody in here has a problem on an average lot where this is not an issue, you know, making it according to what's going there. >> Well, that's that's exactly what I was getting at is this was very educational

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for me so that I can advise people now. >> Yes. >> You know what I mean? It's still >> Yeah. No, I I appreciate that. If you made the other guy do it, then okay, then I'll tell people that. >> Yeah.

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>> No, I think we're trying to work with >> Well, we are >> everybody to make sure that people can get these on. >> It's good for the town. I mean, we need >> good for everyone, you know, >> you know, and we want to keep it >> an open mind and try and help people make it as >> feasible as possible.

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>> Absolutely. >> You're in good hands. >> Yeah. It's just you like everything comes down to money. It's >> and that's kind of expensive. >> Yeah. >> Well, once you make a decision, how many

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grandkids does he have? >> We'll move things along. >> Does the father still own the kid buying anything from him or the kid already bought it? >> Oh, he lost his wife a few years ago. I think he gave the house to his son >> and then the son's living in the house and

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>> so is he still in with the son? >> Yeah, but >> I know it's time moved in and you know and I just you know the ad was like it's time to get out >> 100%. Like I get it. I live my own little.

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>> So, you know, when I started meeting with him six months ago, going over this, it was just him living in the house. Then the son moved in and the divorce was finalized and then he got the two grandkids and two more dogs and I'm like, >> oh boy, >> he's going to want to see you started sooner than later. Yeah, that's

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>> so you guys just have a discussion and let me know and I will get it processed you know once you get stuff back to me we can >> so my customer wants to go with the the application system do I do we wait another month for another meeting or how does that

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>> no us >> yeah the only reason it had to come to this was because it to this meeting was because there was a variance um required. If it's just a standard system that meets all title 5, I sign off on

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it, you're good to go. You can get started >> and and there's no possible way of doing a meeting with D. That that's is that option on >> I did the meeting with that is the rules. Yeah, that's why I pick two

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people's brains to cover my >> side when I call him when I leave out of here. >> No, tell him if he wants to talk to me, you have my number. >> Yeah, >> give it to him. I'm more than happy to sit and talk or he can set up a meeting

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too if he wants to come in face to face >> that that's is fine as well. >> Yeah, because I mean that's might just be a Tuesday a Tuesday evening for him. So, okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess >> I don't think any other questions you're going to come up with Joe can answer. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, I appreciate that. It

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was educational. >> All right. >> Thank you very much. We'll get there. I hope >> Joe, good to see you. Good seeing you, >> Joe. No. >> Yes. No action. >> No action because they're going to go

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back to the drawing board. Thank you. >> That was the best way I think to handle that. >> Oh, I definitely >> No, I feel bad. I'd like to come up with a solution, but it's not my rules. >> You sent that contractor out with an A and a B. >> Yeah. Not just >> No. And I feel I feel bad for the contractor because he's trying to jump

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through a bunch of who are you have any bills? >> Oh, yeah. You too. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. And has everybody had a chance to look over the minutes while I pass these around?

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>> I have. >> If anybody would like to make a motion on the minutes while I pass these around the meeting minutes for July 21st, 2026 as presented. >> Any other discussion about those

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minutes? >> No. All in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. >> Hi. >> You want to talk about the health agents report a little bit? >> Yep. Um

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been very busy. Um ADUs, a lot of ADU questions from residents um concerning what the system is much like we just discussed. So um when I get them follow everything up I go through with a I had another one on probably no who's very

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much in similar situation. Um in that particular development an aggregate was purchased um it's tall timber so there's a whole bunch of issues that the original builder didn't close out stuff so it poses stuff

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through uh conservation. So just trying to educate residents that like make sure that you speak with conservation if you're in certain areas what's going to be required if you're in this zone 2 area and you know what your options may

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or may that they need to consult. So that's been a big thing. Um I am working with um >> smoke detector. of the >> know you bought batteries and I thought

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it was a smoke detector smoke detector >> I'm like where'd you find that deal? >> Yeah. No batteries. Um so the other issue has become a lot of

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uh neighbor complaints with um I went to the nook today for an odor complaint. spoke with some neighbors who don't smell the odor, you know, did I on three separate areas. Um, we have another resident who may be

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contacting you because uh they have been in the office four times now um because they are not happy that the person next to them has chickens. Just so everybody knows, I have been out I've been out with ACO and MSPCA. There is absolutely

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no violations. chickens are properly kept is very clean. Um the person that has them actually make sure that there is no roosters because exactly because they don't want to aggravate their neighbors. They raise both layers and

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meat chickens. Um but this person is is very um >> I'm trying to find the right word. >> Persistent. >> Yes. but um aggressively so that like we need to do something and

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Lori has been present on all four of conversations, three in person and one on the phone. >> Um that there are rules that we have to follow. I've spoken with zoning. We do not have anything on our eggs that

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dictate what somebody can have, how many there are no end rules as long as the chickens are being properly kept and housed. And this guy has over I think it's over an acre and and it's it's fenced in. It is um well screened with

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plants, these beautiful gardens. Um and both Val and I uh failed. We're going to have a discussion with the town administrator because apparently um prior to my existence, animal rigs were done, but the AG's office struck them

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down. Um so there's pro we don't have regulation. So I cannot enforce something we don't have. And I have made the effort to have MSPCA come out because they are the authority on animal cruelty. And I'm actually having the

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MSPCA officer draw something up that says that during our visit when we inspected there was no there was no issues that are prop everything's being properly cared for and kept chickens are in good condition. But I'm just giving you fair warning that um yes, you're

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probably going to get a resident complaint because they're not happy that I'm not doing anything >> according to regulations for only the last document. >> Yes. But again, what they put in place was struck down by the AG's office

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because it was not properly spelled out. So the a that's donating and planning. That's got nothing to do with me. >> Talking about the our non-commercial. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's different. That's >> a commercial farmer.

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>> No, but this >> But they thought there was something in it that that if you have so many chickens, there has to be this much space for each chicken. There is no regulations valid today. There is no regulations that dictates what you can and cannot have. And MDOT um doesn't

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even have that. It's it's all about the space in which you keep the chickens and the pens and how clean they are and pest control. Again, this guy has everything. Um, and I think people don't realize that chickens are actually a good thing. They eat ticks. So, I'm all for having chickens so that I don't get lon

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disease. >> Um, >> do I have any? No, I have two bird dogs. It would not go over well in my house. >> I would have no chickens in about two minutes. So, >> you have wellfed dogs. >> Yes, I'd have very well fed dogs. >> So, but the neighbor's main concern is

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what? >> She doesn't like that there's chickens next to her house. concern that she doesn't like. >> That is what she doesn't like. >> Consider it a nuisance. >> So >> can you say anything different? You heard the conversation. The issue was that she does not like having the

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chickens. >> That's pretty much the gist of it. >> Okay. >> What does she think? What is >> she doesn't want to have chickens. Like that's what is I cannot >> I cannot make somebody get rid of chickens. This guy is doing nothing wrong.

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>> So, right. >> I think if you explain that to this individual, >> three times. >> Three times she called again for me and and got upset with Lori because I wasn't available. >> Thank you for making us aware of it. Doesn't sound like there's anything you can do.

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>> No, but it's but the issue is it's becoming a time sucker. Um I I can't get to things because I'm dealing with stuff that I can have no control over because I can't just be like I don't have any control of this because that does not go over well.

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>> She comes back again just politely telling her that you're exhausted >> again three times Joe and this today was the fourth and she expects a phone call back which I will call her. We have in fact we call I had Lori call and I got her email. I will be drafting an email

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outlying everything I just told you. I will be CCing you on it as well as the town administrator. >> Okay. >> Because No, I mean I'm like it's ridiculous. Like I don't know what else to tell somebody and just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean the rule is going to change. >> Okay.

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>> So >> next >> we'll be >> that that's it for that. Um we will be doing the um night out on next Tuesday. >> National night out. >> Yeah. So, we will be closing the office a little bit early because we have to go

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and set up, but we will be handing out um tickets and pamphlets and sunblock. >> Yeah, we took some money out of our revolving account >> um to buy little bottles of sunblock and we put the public health stamp on it.

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Kingston Public Health. Um we will, you know, just be handing out like rat information and tick information. We have the tickets. Uh so we're >> it's a fun night. >> Yeah. Well, we just figure it's good advertising for the department. It's a good look for the department to be

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community involved. >> Um let people know what we do. We'll bring Ratatouille with us. >> All right. >> Oh, from the from the sorry >> not a real one. >> You couldn't come up with an original name. >> That's fine.

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>> Ralph the rat. We'll bring Ralph with us. Um, but yeah, we'll be doing that. Uh, we completed our first CPR class. We did. We did that. It was good. We had three people, so it was great. We all got involved. And um, so we all got

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credit for your song. >> What was our song? Oh, >> oh, Staying Alive is is the most well known. And >> it depends what age group you're dealing with. >> No, I know. >> Yeah, true. >> The other songs I didn't really know. So, >> yeah, stay there. But and we just tune

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it to our audience. And then um uh the inspections through the grant have been going well. Although I have been doing some of my own. Um I don't want to exhaust everything all at once. I I want to have resources for later in the year.

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So um trying to complete ones that I can get in, get out um in the same area. It's also giving me a chance to touch base with um managers and store owners. We will be hopefully doing another surf

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safe path in September because we've been getting some requests for that. So, that's good. Um did some pool inspections over at Kingsbury which they did very well on. Um I'm going to go do the Bayon

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calling in Bay. Oh yeah. In it. >> Yeah. And it they changed the name. So now I can't >> they went back to what it was before. >> So um I'll be going back there to do their pool inspection and that will complete all the inspections for the >> Indian P get theirs done.

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>> Oh yeah, they they do it right before Memorial that squared away. >> I just noticed it looked nice. >> Yeah. The guy Stone um Tom Stone is like a pleasure to deal with. He's like very squared away and his dog's awesome. He

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goes a dog Ollie to work. >> Uh, so that's all done. Um, perks are picking up. I did one today. Um, it did one last week and septic systems are starting to pick up. Uh, I've sent

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corrections orders out for a number of properties. Um, and that is, I believe, on our discussion. So, um, about non-compliance because we have, uh, Cranberry Court was sent one. They have done nothing. I know they received it

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because I got the form back. So, um, according to my housing training and other agents, you can issue non-compliance fines, but when I looked at ours, um, I think they were 50 bucks, right?

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>> Oh, I didn't see them. Yeah, you guys have um very low fines for non-compliance and when people are need to like this is usually trash related

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um we have the septic system which on 106 Elm which I did site for conservation and although is the wetlands this has been now going on I think since 2018 the house was full without anybody's knowledge. Um, and

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there had already been letters issued from this department concerning it. Um, obviously well before I got here. >> Where is this house? >> 106 home. It was apparently owned by a person that rents it out to court. But

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now when somebody else bought it and they've lived in it for a number of years, you think it was sold in >> I want to say like 2020. They >> wasn't an interf family sale. >> No, not at my knowledge. It doesn't

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matter. The system's in failure. It's just reaching all over the place. >> How would people disclose on the >> I if it's a cash deal or multif family, there's no title five required. And I don't know the only reason I ask I if you have $600,000 and you come up to me

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and you say I want to buy your house and you give me $600,000 I transfer the deed. There's no bank involved to oversee on making sure that things are up to compliance because the registry of deeds doesn't care, you know. >> So um this has become an issue. I've I've spoken to the homeowner. They came

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in after they were certified constable because they refused to pick up the certified letter. Um we then dropped it by constable. Then they came in um I was very clear in that they needed to get plans and get moving on this that they have to show some movement that they're

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going to fix the system and that was over six weeks ago and there's been nothing I know that >> didn't we tell them that we have the fund that can help them >> absolutely sorry >> no I tell that to everybody period um >> did they at least pump it >> we have not received any pumping records

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from them there's no septic plan on file for this address so my guess is it's an old system, but um according to the neighbor who I actually the only reason I'm aware of it is because there was a neighbor that put a well on their

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property and this particular house has an easement across their property to get to their house and you can smell the odor and they're in a wetland and this neighbor is aware that it overflows.

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So it is very problematic. This property has been on our agenda before. Is that correct? Yes. I brought it to your attention. But I'm giving you an update that fraction order has been served. Nothing has happened. Okay. >> Right. What's our um request now?

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>> Well, this goes into the non-compliance fines. >> Typically, boards of health, sorry, um issue non-compliance fines on a daily basis. So, it usually motivates people when they're getting, you know, um find

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a $100 a day for non-compliance. That does tend to >> speak. Right. Right. >> Right. So, we I found one thing that said 50, but it seems really old. >> Um I couldn't really find anything else. And Joe, you've been here for a long

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time. What is your recollection of you even have these in place? The board have any feeling on this? But I need something. I would like to think about it. Um, >> and again, this is only for situations

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where a correction order has been sent and they're not doing anything that I mean, this is going to need >> the constable. >> Okay. Did they Did the constable deliver the >> Yeah. Then then the guy the homeowner showed up here because it was served to

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him by constantly thought that was there is. >> Is there a reference to the $50 sign in the letter? Nope. >> No. Okay. >> Nope. And I'm more than happy to send another one due to the inaction. You are now going to be start to be assessed $100 fine. You know, whatever fine a day

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for non-compliance every day that it's in non-compliance until until movement has begun on getting a plan and and moving forward. >> There has to be timelines, >> right? That's not reasonable to me. I mean, our job is to protect the public

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health, right? Well, that one's up right now in a wetland. >> I've spoken to D about it. >> I've spoken to D about it and what D said is they do not get involved in they

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are aware of it like I'm telling them, but that is on every local board of health to institute >> a method to get them to move. So, >> not to move, but to progress forward with replacing the system. >> You have to have a plan.

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>> But I wanted it clear that we're not asking them to move their house or move that way to move forward with >> some kind of to come into compliance. We need a good faith effort with the plan. >> You found reference in our regulations

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for qualifying. Am I correct? >> Yeah. Well, he has >> I'm gonna go back and double check what I actually saw. >> That's what's there and go with that. >> Okay. Um, >> go with that. >> Because like I said, I have Cranberry

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Court that was issued to pick up garbage. It I went back today. It is still there. And I have neighbors across the street, one which is a law office, complaining that it's blowing all over the place. The dumpster is not secure. There's rugs. There was furniture out

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there. Well, we're sitting here discussing something that's already going on. So, I'm saying use what we already have. >> Okay. But go with it. >> I will find it and I'm going to send it to everybody for people to look at prior to me sending out a letter that says you

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are now going to be fined. I want everybody to see it so that everybody's in agreement that that is in fact what I am seeing. I'm sure that's what they had, but it goes back a long time, >> right? And so I feel like I just now Well, we already have something ongoing.

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>> Okay, >> let us do that. Okay, >> go off what's existing to deal with an existing issue and then we can readress it. >> Right. Right. And so and so the require require to come up with a plan. Is that correct?

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>> They have to have a plan a plan and then a contract, >> right? a plan and a contract with somebody in a >> s like you can't go, oh, I got a plan in a timeline. >> Yeah.

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>> Pump it. >> Yeah. >> Pump it and maintain it during the process. >> Yeah. >> Poor neighbor. >> Yes. Poor neighbor. >> Well, they neighbors uphill, but still want the river being contaminated. >> Right.

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>> What else you got? Um that's it for the health report. >> Okay. On discussions item one we're gonna skip by for the moment. >> One quick question. Has any noticed any tickborn deas? People have been asking a lot about tick.

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>> No. It's pretty steady. Um >> I'm sorry. I normally ask you I have a lot of pages in here and I don't do you have Andy. Did you >> I didn't take it. want me to run and get it >> back. Item one, we're going >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

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>> What are you looking >> any stuff? >> Yeah. It's probably >> Yeah. diseases, you know, that we need to be aware of. >> Yeah. We put our mosquito sandwich board

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out or anything like that. >> I I have been posting the um Abor virus reports. >> We post them on our website. We post them on Facebook. Everything remains at low for both West Mile as well as

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>> what's that? Yeah, the triplet. Thank you. >> Um tick, you know, obviously everybody needs to be aware because now there's I forget what the new one's called. It's not >> the not Alpha Gal, not Moon. There's

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like a new one for >> it's more north of here, but still >> people need to be aware that you need to be watching. Hence why we're handing out the tickets. Um, and we've only had one case of the psychosporas

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and it was not related to anything here. Somebody was traveling and apparently got it while they were in a foreign country. >> We have been that indicates outside of what's normal.

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Yeah. From what I followed. Yeah. Right. So >> um and we have the only other things related to nursing is that Annie continues to go over every week to the senior center. Uh she is looking into

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helping people get signed up for flu because we're realizing that the system that um CVS is using can be challenging. He tried Nanny tried to do it and she's like, "Yeah." So, um, yeah. So, these

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are the cases that we have. Besiosis is one. Um, Lyme disease 10, >> vibro one, we have some hepses and heeps ones.

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>> So, that's was the report for these. And these are yet to date is very small. >> Did somebody contact trace the Hepsi? >> Uh I think these are old cases. Okay. Been around for a while. Okay.

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>> So they would have been traced >> originally. Yes. That's fine. >> Just shows up. >> Yeah. No, believe me. Yes. [clears throat] >> Um see what else she said. Talked about that one already.

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uh July we've had so that was Dr. Maven what I just read. So she broke everything down. We have one pubiosis, three um HGAs, anoplasmosis, uh 11 limes, but these may also be preexisting, but that's what's showing

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up in July. Um talked about that. Oh, the other thing is we hung all the >> um knock boxes. >> Yeah. So we saw it at the Beal House. Thank you. We did it at the library, the town of Wall, the highway department,

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bail house. Um, we also sent contact info and instructions to um, Carol Beck for the DA grant program in case they were interested for them. Um, we did reach out to them, but they were doing their own thing. So, >> can we put a picture of that on Facebook

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so that people know what to look for and then put exact locations so that people for the nar >> people need to know where they can get it. >> I need to know what that box looks like on the wall. >> Exactly.

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And where >> we got them from um DA's office from through from through Plymouth County. So, they're like super helpful and they'll also provide Then if they're not get to use Doug, then we just go to them and they give us

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more. >> Yeah. >> Um flu vaccine, we have 35 available at each state. Right now, we have some people scheduled. It's not upticked yet, I think, because it's still early. People aren't like quite thinking about

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it. We have posted, we've made flyers, so we are working. If >> any needs help, let me know. >> Okay. Um, and then we've posted on Facebook, [clears throat] uh, the website and the COA has also posted and I believe included in their newsletter.

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Uh, she, meaning Annie, also did local scene with Janet back in June. So, I'm pretty sure that that's already been posted, but um, she's doing a great job >> with just reaching out to people. Speaking of reaching out to people,

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anything on the elderly uh home visits the >> ago. Yeah, >> we're going to do with that. Just so you know, we've shaken that dream. >> Okay. >> And I know it's a concern of all of us. >> Yes. >> We're going to keep it on the agenda for

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the future because there are things moving parts happening. >> Okay. Great. Okay. >> So, that's what we're going to do. It'll be on the each agenda on outstanding business just like on there now. Okay. >> But yes, we have reached out

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>> but for now they are not doing check. >> Well, we don't know. >> We're not 100% sure. Again, >> so people could please check on their elderly neighbors. >> Yeah. >> You know, it could be as simple as a text or a wave out the window. Make sure

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people are okay, especially coming into the heat this week. We posted heat alerts on our website and on Facebook as well. >> PH was all about it. My email's been blowing up all day. >> Nitrous oxide is on you.

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>> Yeah. So, um I've gotten we got a email um from somebody a resident who was at a smoke shop and saw it says, "Hi, I was curious if selling

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large canisters of nitrous oxide is allowed by a smoke shop. An adult relative, excuse me, purchased a 740 gram container called Cryow from MK Smoke Shop. Thank you for any information you can provide for the sale

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of these. So I went to MK um to check it out. I just was honest with kid. I was like, "Hey, I got a an email about boat and I just saw excite." He goes, "Oh yeah, we we sell it here." So you're showing me it's canisters and of course they're

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smart and they put for culinary use. >> I know chefs are going to the smoke shop to get their oxide for gastro >> um techniques. Yes. Um, so just putting it on your radar, we um,

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Lori was able to find some information uh, concerning the restriction of the sale. Uh, Northampton has restricted it. Uh and we've reached out to the tobacco

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specialist and the only thing that can really be done according to the tobacco specialist from MHA is they have towns that are using a

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substance having property of releasing toxic bite vapors as a nuisance. um seeds and desist um because it's having toxic vapors. I'm putting it on your radar because I got a question about it.

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Um I'm very familiar with nitrous oxide and what you do with it. >> Um it's up to you guys what you how you want to what you want. >> I want time to research it.

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I think that's probably smart. >> Yeah. >> They presented as a public health risk doing the little whipp right. You do realize those have been around since like the time. >> Right. Exactly. Since whipped cream came

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in. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Trust me, having run a grocery store, I'm very familiar with the use of >> Right. But these are just little separate things, right? >> I know. But my point is >> Yeah. So I'm I'm just presenting that.

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So you guys can do it over. >> Yeah. Okay. >> But we did we did respond to her, I believe, just saying that currently no regulations that forbid it, >> right? >> Um that they are within legal right to sell it. If the health department

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chooses to do something on that, the health board, then that's up to you. >> You haven't heard it before as an issue. Like the police department doesn't notice anymore saying their kids are doing it. >> Okay. So, first of all, I'm guessing most parents have no idea if their kids

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are doing >> any parent that buys whipped cream knows what happens to it. >> Yeah. >> That's why you whip your own. [laughter] >> Yeah. Um It gets >> Well, I I know. >> Um Yeah.

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>> So, and the thing is you can My feeling is you can limit We all know if you're going into a smoke shop, they first of all, they have to be uh over 18. Can't go in 21. >> Oh, sorry. 21.

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>> Um you can't go into the smoke shop anyways, >> but I can certainly go to a convenience store or the grocery store and buy a can of whipped cream. Yeah. >> And do the same exact thing. So >> yeah, >> I think we'll just table this and

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>> I just wanted to bring it along so that people are aware. Thank you. >> Take home. >> Yeah, you can have I was just googling around. >> No, you just provided the paper. >> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> No. the police. >> Okay, moving on. Posting availability of recent food inspections. >> Yeah. So, you know, we talked about the possibility of doing the grading system.

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And again, I I am not I'm not strongly opinioned one way or another. I guess my concern is that doing that grading, you could have somebody that has a really bad day and now that sticks with them for the next

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three, four or six months. Um, I think that making or in some way to advertise that should the general public wish to access an inspection for a certain restaurant

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that that can be done through public records request and we can send that to them. >> I think that that is probably a more fair >> way to disseminate information. on their permit that they hang up that

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have to >> Yeah, we've changed that on. We went through all our permits to make them standardized because >> Okay, >> currently the department had what do you figure four or five different kinds of permits. So, we made them all the same. So, they look the same. They say the

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same thing except for installer, food establishment, whatever. >> Um, and then copies of inspections can be requested by >> Yeah. available on food establishment is required to keep that um inspection readily accessible.

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So if Joe goes into blueberry muff and says I want to see your inspection, they need to provide it. >> So if we make the public aware of that and say that also if you wish to request copies of it, it can be done through the public record request portal, right?

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>> Then we are allowing or making it accessible to anybody at any time, right? And I think that's probably a more fair indicator of what somebody >> of of what an establishment is really doing >> because if you're not hanging up a mop,

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that's way different and they're still going to get you points off, >> right? >> But it's way different than having food out of code or not within temperature. >> Dollar Tree open again. >> No, they do that. Sorry. >> No. So things No, just so everybody's

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clear on that. The hold up is that they have to have sprinkler heads. We um adjusted because a walk-in was taken out and I cannot give my permit yet because it doesn't pass for fire.

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>> So and they are aware of this. I I've literally been there now. I'm down to every couple of days because there's not a lot of movement. I've been in touch with corporate. They know it. They have not apparently scheduled a fire

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suppression specialist to come in and fix that. So, I've made it clear that the minute those things are done, they just need to call me and I will come down and remove the cease and desist order off the door and they can open up. >> Okay. >> So, and I was there today. I did check in with them today.

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>> I hope they do it before school. So many people depend on the school supplies. >> I have a feeling it will be in the next week. >> Okay. Sorry. Getting back to the food thing though, um I mean you know how I I feel about this is that the public needs to know and I look at this as a health

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issue. Okay. So hospitals when they're accredited by the joint commission um it's public it's public it's in the newspaper right I mean it's public information that everybody gets um and for instance right now South Hospital is the sea which is not good at all. Um but

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it it's out there, right? And so the hospital just has to work to repair that. Um and I think that's good um transparency for the public because this is this is health. That's why we're doing it. Right. >> That's what my why I'm saying if we have

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it on the permit as well as post on our website and on Facebook >> like just let people know they can walk in it. >> Yeah. I mean >> they can walk in but they have to fill out. No, they can walk into the restaurant. >> Please give me Can I please see your

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>> all required to keep a copy of their most recent inspection accessible to any customer has always had to have that, you know, accessible, but people never ask for it. You know, they don't want to insult someone or they don't want their name.

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It's like when people call in an anonymous complaint, right? They don't. Anyways, um but >> yeah, but but if we tell people you can get it on public records request, then that's they can get it that way as well. >> And explain to them like how that works, you know, because I went in and looked

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at that. So, what does it take to do the public records request? Hit the public category. >> No, on us, you just hit the public records request button, put what you want in there, and hit submit. That's it. >> So, you don't have to do anything. It goes to all of us.

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>> Okay? If you say I want my septic system plan, it comes to me. If you say I want my blueprints for my house, it goes to building. >> You don't have to check that little box. >> No, if you say I want anything related to this address, it goes to all of them. We're just explaining that template.

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This is >> to who? If somebody calls, we walk them through it. >> Yeah. So, in any uh in any announcement that we will be putting on um social media, >> yeah, you just it's okay. It really I

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mean I've watched hundreds of people do it. It's literally press a button and put your information in and just tell me what you want and you get it. >> If we're going to put something on social media, it could say, you know, did you know you can contact an inspection report? >> Yeah. at any time in any of our

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restaurants >> or you go on public record a variety of reports >> right >> through our public portal. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Rather than isolated. >> Yeah. I don't want that's the whole No,

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that's a good great exactly now information >> on Okay. >> And we have an intern that is doing great stuff. So, we'll put her on coming up with a public service announcement about the portal and what you can access. >> Who's going to do that?

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>> Our intern. >> Oh, good. >> Yes. Is this a collaborative intern? The >> No, it's a intern that's working for free and doing social media stuff. So, >> Oh, nice. >> I will take it. >> Excellent. >> Yeah. >> Excellent. She just >> Are you so excited? [laughter] She just

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posted about our um >> Are you back with the $50 >> fines for non-compliance? >> No, that's it. That would be it. >> Okay. >> We just took it out of order. >> I know. I saw >> that's it really for me. >> Rosemary, would you like to talk about

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this battery? But yes, I'll just take >> No, go ahead. >> Okay. All right. Excellent. Yeah. Okay. So, um you know for those of you who are curious as to why you know the board of health would be involved in

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this um the board of health does definitely have a role in this because it can't it is um potential public health issues including noise and trade issues. >> So remember the episode with the wind turbines and people complaining of you know the so that's noise and complaint I

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wasn't around really involved. I don't know if the board of health was >> Oh, yes, ma. But go ahead. >> We have boxes. >> Okay, moving on. >> Okay. Yeah. So, we have we have a chance to be proactive on that rather than reactive. The department of um the DOE,

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Department of Energy Resources has um [clears throat] put up some recent guidelines for um noise abatement um and light um the um you know, the negative public health effects of lighting that's on all night long.

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That's considered air for battery storage. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they operate 247. >> No, I know that. Where's the light? Because it's usually in an enclosed building. So, what's the light? I'm not sure what the light is. >> The light outside the buildings >> and and the reason that that

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>> You mean like security light? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> I'm just trying or other lights. I don't know quite what um but because that's been an issue and other towns, Department of Energy Resources did address that. Um and so so it's not it's not that the um board of health would be

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in the position of saying no this can't happen. Um there's all kinds of resources to abate those public health nuisances um but they have to be included in the regulations. >> Sure. >> Right. Yeah. But whose regulations? Our regulations.

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>> Yes. So then zoning. >> Yes. Zoning is zoning. We have nothing to do with zoning. That's not our >> I'm trying to understand where come from us or >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, so from what I understand, Lauren,

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correct me if I'm wrong. Division >> um they did identify there is a there is definitely a role for public health. That's sort of the one thing that towns can really comment on if it's a health or safety issue. Um so um the town of Dexberry now has included the board of

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health on that group that would be looking at all of the um things that come through all the different Yeah. So um so you know we don't have stations. >> Yes. They're going by the board of health opportunity to have

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input. >> Yeah. Right. You should be [clears throat] in an industrial >> not in a neighborhood. >> So you know, you know there is one that has been proposed >> but these regulations would not should

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be for that one thing. They should be something that's applicable to any entity that proposes. >> The one that's proposed for Kingston is part Kingston part and >> right it's in the middle of nowhere is my understanding >> pretty much. But there are there are some letters >> there are some property owners which I'm

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assuming zoning had to have been notified during hearings. I don't know I don't know >> in the town it has to be they have to be >> so so my understanding was the zoning board the planning board approved it as

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a as an as right type of a thing because of the recent legislation really limits the authority. >> It's a new thing to me. >> Yeah right. >> Yeah. It is sort of an evolving field. You sure? Yeah. So, what what I would like to do is just sort of follow what planning. So, what Dale suggested was

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that the board of health should be looking at their own regulatory authority as far as this goes um in concurrence with them starting to look at this in in August. >> So, why don't you send us an email with everything you've got so we can look at all the rosary because that would be

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beneficial so that we're not coming to this conversation. >> It's a thing policy, right? Yeah, >> if you have anything to me so I can like read it like what you guys are doing at least I can

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>> litigation. >> Yeah, of course it did. >> Yeah, it's now known as very >> well. Yeah, >> I might even have that with me.

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Who is that? Yeah. Yeah. It did ask like what's the authority? What's the effect of the DEX decision in regards to the board of health authority? The DEX decision really did um give um authority to the board of health to to address only public health issues. Correct.

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Correct. Only public. >> So basically that's noise light >> noise light um water emergency planning. Um if there in the event of a fire um it's um air pollution. >> Yeah. >> Um putting out the fires and water it's

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near you know the wells or whatever. It's near some water supply that could potentially get into the water. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. So the protection of the water right in the air. Right. Right. And this is this is our chance to be proactive and get them

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on there before they come. >> Exactly. Right. >> All right. So you start with everybody >> there. >> Yeah, water health has a very small role in this. You know, it's mostly planning board, the fire department, conservation

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commission has a wetland thing. Um, but board of health sort of see more as an advisory of this and less of those specific public health issues. >> So, I'm going to listen in on the planning board meetings. Um, see what I can learn from that.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. And I will I will um send out people to read. >> No, just so we're all on the same page. Those all right. Right. Right. Yeah. >> You know, so we all the same stuff to look at. >> Yeah. >> Anything else from anybody?

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>> No. >> You could just let me know the next class you got. >> Yeah. I think September 29th. Oh, we already >> just let me know. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. [laughter]

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>> Next meeting, August 18th. Thank you very much.