##VIDEO ID:4q1mLgZwB_A## good evening everyone I'm going to start the community preservation committee meeting public hearing to review applications uh today is is January 9th it is 6:30 p.m. this meeting is being recorded anyone intending to make an audio or video recording of this meeting to notify the chair at the beginning of the meeting none we'll move to roll call vote uh dots online so we'll have to go around and announce yourself Brian Payne I'm the chair here Jean right oh I'm sorry you he for Nate chable m i under Grand planning board K Pike finance committee Linda Rasta historical commission dot dot uh Conservation Commission thank you those who don't know Nathan has unfortunately had to resigned from the committee he's no longer a resident in Kingston so all right so we will move forward with uh the review of the project applications and we are going to start with affordable housing uh the floor is yours all right we had submitted an application for whatever money is in the housing bucket it usually runs between 40 and $50,000 this is a traditional yearly request we're in the process of building up our funds uh we have a little bit um thanks to um the current treasure and the Past treasure our money that uh we accumulated has been invested wisely and we've gotten pretty good interest on that we're will'll be over 900,000 but as you know in today's housing market that would have very little effect on the number of housing units that could be built uh we are currently in uh executive session meetings with habitat as well as with the ham uh the selectman and the conservation uh committee um on two separate promising housing uh opportunities so I think um you know it's essential for us to continue to U build up the money that we have available so that if either or both of these opportunities um come to parition it would be a significant impact on the number of 4,000 as you know the water moratorium has really impacted private developers coming forward so that option has pretty much been off the table for some time and will for another year or so current reserves portable housing is 4,181 any questions from the committee the current balance in the trust 900k it's a little over 900 probably under that but the additional amount is the interest re right getting it adusted you know at the brief we can with that any other questions from the Comm not voting tonight just opportunity to ask the app questions yeah yeah I didn't notice any problems the applications I did not see any errors do anyone have any other questions concerning the afteron okay thank you thank you uh we will now move on to Jones River Historical Society hi my name is I'm the president of the Jones Village off Society uh we're looking for funds to replace the roof on the boat house that houses the cbat the B you when the boat house was built in like 2015 16 a temporary roof was put on and right now the current roof does not meet how do I explain it uh the side so there's a space where birds get in and that's not a good thing um we've already had CPC funding help us replace the sale and um we're just looking to replace with a a real roof on it my husband uh is also had a maintenance and also a license Builder and he would be doing the work nice huh think I have to ask the question is there any conflict of interest there or certainly a perceived conflict of interest in my opinion no he's always done the work for the Jones River there's never been a conflict at all he does it as Ray Anderson Construction do you receive multiple bids uh no it was $6,000 yeah have we provided CPC funding for the upkeep of the house itself in the past oh yeah yeah so this would count as restoration of a past funded CPC project uh no not the boat house that's what I I know the boat itself but not not the boat house no that was all funded by members is the FL house a historical structure no that was built in like I said 2015 2016 what's that the I understand thatu yeah I know I'm thinking more about this where is it located at the Bradford House at the Bradford house so the Bradford House is historic yes is the whole property considered historical uh we're on the Massachusetts historical register okay yeah maybe that's why the whole property itself it's not just the house property so when you did the boat house did you have to get special Peron name for it because it was a historical landmark probably did done by Jeff that was done by Jack barg deceased yeah yeah okay you probably did you have to check with the building dep comment yeah I think it would qualify as a preservation topic rather than a restoration because the roof is contributing to the preservation of of the historical artifact which is the boat so yes we could use CPC funds for example to upkeep storage facilities or something like that that would count toward preservation okay rather than a restoration of the Historic Site okay yeah that's only thing that's kept in there it's not used as a storage facility of any anything just the boat uh does the boat house itself have any other features to it that would lend it to being preservation property like climate control uh anything like that for the preservation of historic materials their house and has an alarm system questions you could argue that the sole purpose of the bow house is for preservation of the artifact kept aside and keeping away from the elements yes um just a way that I could look at it um how much are how much is the application asking for 6,000 yeah I mean if you look it up from that lens I I I feel like because I think we did talked about this before um it fits the criteria of preservation but not definitely not restoration yeah I was thinking the boat house itself was a historic structure so I think we could pull it from undesignated funds rather than historic preservation funds but I'll do a little bit more digging just to make sure we dot our eyes and cross our teas and everything but I hope that's not an issue I don't think it's be issue yeah that's the only place have to put it yeah and it was it was built specifically for preservation yes it was so right now it has just a plastic pandle roof that used for light coming through yeah but it's been wired so you can have light in there and is alarm and right now when it was built it was just built temporarily so that has to breathe a little but you have you have to have a facial in a sof like a gut line and rake boards right now it's all open you got to keep the varment out of there because we already ruin the sail and if the varment get into the boat yeah need be done is a question of how do we fund it have you requested funding from the Samson fund too no we have not further questions thank you thank you thanks did I say the roof would be metal right instead of plas yeah all right U let's see our next application is s Evergreen Cemetery Association yep so we're seeking money to do some  pruning and cutting of uh disease and decaying trees trees that are largely over Brown suscep to storm damage from wind rain snow ice build up had trees that came down previously we secured CPC funds to stones with d trees that just large overgrowth trees Rock rooted damage SI significant Stones we just got a substantial amount of Mone to repair stones with damage from tree damage so we're looking to be kind of proactive to eliminate trees that are diseased decaying or just overgrowth it's going to cause up with broken limbs or complete fall G Stones I saw no concern the applications for open for anybody we spend money in one place to take trees down and we beat people up in other places for trying to take trees down but I see no problem with this one very good it's really the graves it's affecting the graves yeah yes yeah the roots are finging on the old tombs underground then we uproot C significant damage to the tombs underground but also to the headstones as they get top of Alla any other questions or concerns thank you y our next one is the old bearing ground another tree removal projectable project um similar to Evergreen Cemetery there are many many old trees that are decayed and falling down limbs have come down in storms and um it's been lucky so far um in terms of uh very limited damage to the old gravestones however uh they really need the goal is to restore the old Buri of ground to its original um design which was really open um with the graves fully visible um and taking the trees down it's approximately h i remember the number of trees but um it's over I think it was around 80 or so yeah it was quite a bit yeah it was quite a quite a bit and the amount um requested is 65 but the goal is to um get them taken down to to save um any possible future damage and continue to preserve um the gravestones that are there and restore them in time for the 300th anniversary but also just in general there are other goals um that would follow to make uh more information available on the internet and through sites like find a grave um because the Braves that are in there many uh date back to the Revolutionary War and it's a really nice um historic part of Kingston that uh should get more visibility so hopefully this will help I think the last meeting said we got ask we get any yet from minut I think they did prior to that it was like about 65,000 yeah 60 to 80 jees okay got it thank you so 60 is the minimum they can't there's a way they could further reduce that number trees yeah number of trees that they cut down oh well I don't know but um I don't know that that would reduce the I think it's more than yeah because if it's like a min max thing like it has to be at least 60 then it's obviously probably quite a big problem yeah if there's 60 trees in pedon on the on the land there yeah and there's there are a lot of Limbs and things already down in there and there's continuous cleanup going on but it's a continuous problem who's in charge of cleaning it um the I think the town facil people but I'm not absolutely certain but yes because it is Town owned think he signed up on the yes so it's going to be you know continuous perceivable maintenance yeah with everything probably be a lot more labor focus on that general area which possibly spending money now and eliminating trees May prevent that in the long run and have a lot more benefit than negative that would be the goal it's a much smaller area than like all of Evergreen but it is yeah right now I personally have no problem with the concept of taking down some of these trees cleaning a place up a bit I don't like the idea of authorizing a full $65,000 I think that's kind of high for that type of project in that relatively small piece of land one person's opinion I would say that um that's probably realistic considering the size of some of those trees and the the carefulness that's going to be involved in getting them down without damaging more uh Stones Etc it's not an ordinary situation th bucks a tree can't go for it nowadays so 65 trees 65,000 they got to do more than that right if it's 80 trees is expensive it's a large that's why I'm wondering like what would the schedule look like like is it going to be like you head out there and then you know one straight shot 65 trees are removed is it going to come in phases anything like that that I am not positive of um being new on the committee but um I was under the impression there's no there's no quote in the there's no quote in the application and at 65,000 yeah it sounds like a lot but thousand bucks a tree it seems about right trees that kind of money of taxpayer dollars I I it would have to go out to bid anyway I would want it would have to go out to bid so all that will be taken care of when when it goes through the process have multiple bids come in before we issue any actual checks okay um Mr P you did say that in our our not it do we want them at this stage I mean I think it's hard to do it at the stage because we don't know when it would be right also yeah yeah we've done that before with Recreation and um several meetings ago we voted to authorize me to sign off on basically uh administering the money once the committee votes on it so CH gives me the material uh there'll be multiple bids will come in the will require that anyways we'll just make sure they no you sign a so the bids would be I have one more comment thinking of those trees how old and historic they are has anybody looked into the possibility of saving some of the wood to to um give away sell whatever um making making bowls or ships or planks out of them I don't think any of those trees would come anywhere close to being considered historic they're all I'm pretty sure like long leaf Pines and they're all fairly young and I think the cemetery it was at one point open was open so all these trees have grown up since then um and I recall from last time they say that they were diseased that the yeah so I don't think the wood would be of any other than chips okay would be interesting to see what resources could be you know kept though with that much coming down see if it can be repurposed in one way or another I mean unfortunately sometimes you never know take a c down I B wood chips yeah playground s any other questions got you good yeah right thank you is that all of oh yeah sorry it's not m and now conservation is doing right yeah he was doing grants for that as well I'm read the notes from the wonderful notes I'm looking for it in here I don't see it no I'm definitely not sure I have uh Housing decorational Trust I know I read it earlier so it's in here this was the uh Bates Pond accessibility Trail project for the uh accessibility right behind the senior center so it would be the only long distance uh Ada compatible compliable Trail and this was for phase one which included a permitting and planning and in the application there was a lot of language about alternative sources of funding for the actual development of the project later on um I Believe In the initial presentation there was some comment about the price tag $68,000 for planning stage um that also includes a lot of Permitting and now is it even more I believe $682 2280 except for like engineers and assessment and this is just it's not even the actual work they not actually doing the work if they can be done right there's a chance that that they might come back and say they can't I mean this is for yeah so for the planning stage planning and permitting I believe was the specific words used in the application when I first read it to get to the point where you can go out to B basically for somebody to build it it's a pretty complicated project I just pulled it up it is on the in the website there it's the one that's not identified doesn't say Bing it's towards the bottom May last one I have is old bearing ground I I know I've read it so the Samson F was going to be helping he also done with the master Grant to after fact I think it's all this permitting and we have one thing I I would really want to point out is I was on the open space committee when we did our plan our 10year plan and Ada successful projects were pretty high on the list of things that need to be done location of this particular project is ideal need a senior senator the application also included a lot of supporting letters yeah here's where I got my idea that it is more than the 68,000 in the budget CPC funding requested 68222 180 combined with the additional funding of 14806 from Samson fund will fully cover the design and in permitting phase of the project totaling $83,200 enthusiastic about spending $83,000 just to get started project I think there are better uses of the funds in town than continuing to spend 90% of CPC funds or 90% of Samson funds on what I call conservation open space type of projects but again that's just my opinion if I could speak for the project I'm a senior I spend a lot of time at the senior center and when I first went over there uh people knew that I used to lead walks at the Nature Center in Norwell and they asked me uh is it possible to lead walks around the nature uh the senior center so I walked around looking there's a lot of interesting stuff there but it's absolutely impossible for a senior to walk anywhere around the grounds um there are it's just too too to um the little woods is it's full of stumps and and broken stuff and junk and uh very bad stepping and just closer to the building there's um detention ponds Etc and and the the lawn bit of lawn there is just drops right down into the Wetland so um there is an interest but you can't do it there um not not even for 6 feet um so the need is there and the woods is right there next door it would be wonderful not only for seniors but for anybody who's out for a little walk instead of a bigger walk um so I'm I'm I can't say about the cost of the what the what is in the um in the form but I think it's worth it I would expect that if it's going to cost $83,000 to design and engineer and investigate Etc you can probably multiply that times four or five times for the actual construction cost so you probably talking a half a million dollar project 14,000 plus people in Kingston and I dare say I'd be surprised if 400 of those 14,000 would benefit from this type of expenditure well at the open space forums there was a good deal of public support for Ada compliable Trails uh that line came in from the public forum discussion I only know that because I was on the open space committee at the time so I'm not sure what information but it's it's public it's in it's in the it's in the plan um laot of money it would have been nice to have multiple quotes but they have the one quote from strong tree engineering other thing you might want to point out is that there are no other open space applications this year they have [Music] 39,239 th000 or so out of undesignated funds of which we have 347,000 so few things to consider before we vote next meeting thank you all right let's look at our agenda huh um um review of availability of CPC funds yeah copies for [Music] everybody minut late and then this was given out last time too okay you guys want to take a look at this I couldn't look at that thing anymore day l a big administrative day for me in my job so we have $ 39,239 set in the open space 39236 in historic 4,181 and affordable housing and 34791 1472 in undesignated fund balance all the projects don't come really anywhere close to maxing out those ons 120 about $200,000 total so project any questions I do so the balance is what is paid to date or is the that is current projects that still have money left still have money left only look Top all right thank you sorry no a balance for outstanding articles so that the total is everything okay then these are what we people are still paying on right so this minus all this that's that like the goag up we got money back from that that was something else no is pretty same thing it's done we asked them for a sign up maybe that's what's left is we have put the sign is a$1 th000 is the sign $1,000 no I think it's just over budgeted project something we have to do the next meeting budg yeah it was under budget same thing with the playground came in like with money left I thought I can address I'll put that on okay nista Farm project oh no that's still restoration is that still you know I can't sorry we're not expecting you I'm sorry we're not expecting you to do that was the one you had a question about they were like desperate they needed the money like that day oh yeah I think might be done I think that's I don't know that might be to okay and sometimes it can be a delay when project is 95% done and weather whatever the payments can lag up to 90 days afterwards yeah okay okay other questions next meeting we'll review some of the uh meeting minutes you guys want to take a minute to read these and pass itgot for new concerns looks reasonable to me a motion to accept the minutes I move that the CPC committee accept the meeting minutes for November 14 2024 is submitted Jun Jun June 6 sorry I didn't pass them around all right let's just why don't we just do do this one okay we have a motion to have a second second um Brian pay I I Alexander gr I Kyle Pik i l AA I is that the one I missed yes yes I I don't believe I can vote on it obain then I obain motion passes so now we'll look at June 6 any discussion I'll move that the CPC approve the meeting minutes for June 6 2024 as presented second Alexander Grand got I Iain because I wasn't thank you motion passes okay uh moving forward to new business I'll make a motion that we cancel the February 6 meeting because we've already considered all the applications we normally reserve two meetings to do this in case we have a lot um I would like to make M I thought I saw it on the website it is but you don't okay hold on one second everybody have a problem actually uh March yeah I'm not going to be here March 6 wait yeah I'm not going to be here Mark we move the vote up to February 6 that absolutely everybody check your calendars for February 6 we have to oh no because you only need five days to list or a week to okay okay fine with that everybody good with that I assume it's a Thursday night meeting yeah it's a voting meeting so it's kind of important that we're here we gotta find a different date no I can be here great got is uh that good for you if we meet on February 6 absolutely all right no I will up the okay 630 February y sounds good all right um does anybody have anything else that they would like to bring forward to the committee I have one uh item um about a year or so ago we talked about the necessity to raise the profile of the committee by ensuring all projects had signage and at one point I believe Nathan had volunteered to sort of drive around town to check to see if the projects have been so marked I don't think we ever really heard anything about that what type of signage that was going to be the next step okay I know I sort of noticed this when I was s walking through Plymouth that they have really pronounced signs that this was a CPC funded project it's part of the to do this but I'm not sure if that's actually um being done and at that point they've already got their money the project is done and I'm mainly concerned about those people who sort of regularly come Historical Society Recreation conservation open space whether or not they're so designating our projects and it could be something we would want to bring up you know say hey we've been giving you hundreds of thousands of dollars and now you're coming back for more but we don't see any signing yeah I do know super work for recreation does it yeah I do know conservation does it yeah like um when your facilities director was he Brad he would do things at the pow do it know so what I that was my first sort of Step of this I was going to ask those who are members of the community representing those agencies if you could go back and talk to your committee whether it's conservation historic open space or whatever it might be I think open space is vacant right now but the conservation people should be able to handle that one too and just do a quick survey and get a confirmation that the projects have been funded and then um we can I can uh sort of go back in the last couple years worth of funding and look at the ones that we funded outside of those right pound agencies and just sort of go check them out yeah Qui question do we want to consider like a standard signage too like and we gave we approved that what that would look like right we never really got that far I can recall because the first step was to see what I think Nathan was going around to pictures of all of them yeah and then we could try to come up with a standard logo like we talk about what a town seal should be on it things like that and if it was going to be standardized it was something that we would probably purchase as a committee right and then have them to hand out they would might want to include it into the budget they would buy one from us like I know conservation they have like for like a dollar you buy one of those green Wetland protections and you have to put it on your property after it's been approved so we could like order a bunch of them have them and then they would every application would have to work 20 bucks into their program so they would put on the same sign would be consistent I was a little concerned that we not we're not getting a lot of applications my first year here was controversial was like a lot but my understanding is that was a first and it hasn't been that way really ever since yeah and I'm also concerned that no one really came to the public forums that we have like zero part participants other than the ones who were knew they the vetan memorial one was a big one the op field that was before me the playgound was a huge playground um so I just wonder if like I would I would imagine most Town residents don't even know this exists we did talk about this when we both first start yeah because I think Joan was like should be you know advertise is some place people don't know about it I don't know if that is something that we should do but u i mean at this point in time because I can tell you our our budget is School Town the school budget the budget and I can tell you that like if we could have you know I know more about it because I'm I'm part of the tong like people but it is I think I think it's nice to be able to have a little bit even like a flyer or something like even be being more prominent on the website or something like that I think because people are always looking for funds right which I B the brants and everything like that but and I think they are sections of the website that you you know you can see about the funding or additional funding but it is interesting because i' I heard about CPC but you always think of it as like okay you're saving the wetlands and you're and you're saving like it's it's really for specific things and um but there's a very broad aspect of what that could be too so it is kind of nice to to be able to maybe tell people what has been done in the past and what you using for so you can think outside the box I know about a little over a year ago there was some um media coverage of cbc's in Massachusetts because there was a report filed Statewide saying that the cpcs weren't doing enough for affordable house basically all the money was going into Recreation and open space you know guilty but King too uh you know when you think about how we've spent the undesignated funds you know it's affordable housing should be one of the my main priorities Silver Lake too though it's like I because it's regional and the to fs and Clinton I've always said like could we pop into like B we are lucky to have our CPC funds but how back don't and it's that's a regionalization but it's hous in Kingston so it's always one of those interesting dynamics of like what we can use because we're the only real talent of I think that has a CPC like because HX and Clon don't have one I don't believe so Plymouth has a big oneth has a is huge yeah well the Plymouth CPC also puts out an annual report which we do twoo but theirs is like very glossy I mean they spend 10 times at Le little advertisement might help um some of the other CPC see that I've heard from we're also concerned that if you advertise too much people start like start using it for things that they're not supposed to be using but even like go after it yeah they want to end it they don't want to you know that has been I've heard that floated a few times in this town Soh yeah so we don't want that we don't want that either because this is this These funds are really important but if that's if that's coming if that's an inevitable conversation well we'll have to have somebody we like to have it well marked around town say this is what this the this the this the drive around town and see CPC everywhere then it'll be a little bit easier to defend so you could go back to whatever committees you represent and just get a real clear sense even take photographs so you can see what how they're different how they're being projected you know if conservation is putting signs up but then a tree grows up in front of it good to us right so want to talk thinking about how the CPC is being presented to the town that's the only item I I like that uh any other business people would like to bring before the committee I'm good all right motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second Brian p i alander Grand Al thank you everyone I'll see you in February