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Mhm. >> Thank you. All right. The time is now 6:33 p.m. and the date is Wednesday, July 8th, 2026. Commissioner Franklin is absent. I will now open the meeting and take a

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roll call. Colleen? >> Here. >> Dot? >> Here. >> Marilyn? >> Here. >> Brian? >> Here. >> And Megan is here. Please note we are doing a hybrid meeting with in-person and virtual attendance. If a member of the virtual public would like to make

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comments during a public hearing, please use the raise hand function on Zoom and you will be assigned a speaking time. If you are listening in via telephone dial-in, press star nine to raise your hand and then press star six to unmute yourself. This meeting is being recorded by the Local Scene and a record of this

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meeting will be posted on the Local Scene website as soon as they are able. Anyone intending to make an audio or video recording of this meeting should notify the chair at this time. Okay. Announcement. The Kingston Conservation Commission is seeking a new member. Commissioners are responsible

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for protecting the town's natural resources including through enforcement of state and local wetlands protection laws. Those interested should reach out to the Conservation Department by calling 781-585-0537 or emailing Matt Penella at

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mpenella@kingstonma.gov. m p e n e l a No, l l a. I caught myself. atkingstonma.gov. All right. Will the agent brief us on what needs to be signed? >> A lot of things. Uh we have the DOA for 1 North Street,

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uh COC for 1 North Street, DOA for 18 Old Mill Road, uh enforcement orders for 18 Old Mill Road, and certificates of compliance for 18 Old Mill Road. And we have bills from Strong Tree Engineering for the Rocky Nook

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stormwater project, uh Express News papers invoice for public hearing notice, MACC annual membership dues, two invoices from LEC Environmental Consultants for eastern box turtle surveys, uh mileage reimbursement for the two of

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us who traveled to the MSMCP conference and Apex invoice for year eight MS4 support. >> All right. I will now do action items. I will now open a public meeting to discuss the request for determination of applicability for 10 Innsbruck Lane

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submitted by the applicants Donald and Jennifer Johnson for construction of a storage building with associated grading, retaining walls, utilities, and site preparation within the 100-ft buffer zone to inland wetland resources. The applicant has withdrawn this filing? >> Yep. Yeah, that one's withdrawn.

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>> All right. So, do you have any comments? That's it? >> Nope. >> So, do I need to make a motion then? >> Nope. >> Okay, great. So, moving on to the next one. Right? Great. I will now continue a public hearing to discuss the request for determination of

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applicability for 53R Main Street submitted by GreenSeal Environment LLC on behalf of the applicant 53R Main Street Realty LLC for a stormwater improvement, vegetation restoration and plantings, removal of

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old fence posts and debris, and installation of a wood fence within the 100-ft buffer zone to inland wetland resource areas. We will now hear a briefing from the conservation agent and if any clarification is needed from the applicant during or after the briefing, we may ask you to respond. Do you have anyone here for this?

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>> Yep. >> Great. >> Yeah, and um we did after the last meeting, I received an updated plan. Um the update removes the pavement, the unpermitted pavement completely, um removes any

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you know, impervious underlayment, replaces it all with pervious uh crushed stone or gravel. Um it remove it takes away the stormwater feature component of the filing um as the idea would be stormwater would

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infiltrate through that parking area now. Um it still includes the fence, the plantings. Um worked with uh the applicant a little bit on some language and conditions on that.

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And I think everything at this point looks good and everything now would be approvable under KWEPR. And um I think that would deal with the ongoing enforcement issue so that nobody would

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have to worry about that going forward. Um I said I believe I said anyways before um commission should consider special conditions mandating that the parking area remain in a pervious condition unless a change is allowed through future wetlands permitting. That would

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ensure that the aggregate stays at a minimum of 3/4 inch or whatever the specifications proposed are. Um they did submit some late um specs on this that I can use in the special conditions. Um you might consider a condition requiring

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maintenance of the stone should sediment accumulate to the point that the area stops infiltrating water. Um that would also you know between the two of those stop somebody from adding stone dust to it or just stop fines from accumulating over time and creating an impervious condition. Um I talked about a native

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seed mixture being more appropriate for the seeding of the grass between or under the native plants um and they agreed that that would be fine. So I don't really have much more on this. I don't know if you have anything to add or

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>> You you have to get it to the podium. I'm sorry. Thank you. >> Uh for the record Laura Boughey with GreenSeal Environmental. >> Thank you. >> Um we don't have anything um really to add if the commission is satisfied. Um,

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it's just a question of when uh, what other conditions that you might impose, um, as discussed, and then, uh, when we could proceed with work. >> Does anyone have any comments? Any special conditions?

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>> comment on the ruling with the fence post and with any special conditions because of the hearing. >> Yeah. Yeah, we did talk about that last time that and it's up to the commission how you want to

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deal with that. Um, >> Well, don't we have some standard language about a special kind of oil? I'm trying to remember how you normally word it. >> Yeah, um, I'm not sure if that's absolutely necessary in this case, but you could call for that that

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any machinery that's used in this use the biodegradable hydraulic fluid. Um, it's something that we use in certain situations. We don't always >> Do you feel it's called for in this situation? That's my question. >> Hard to say. Um,

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it's very close to the wetlands, so there is a hydraulic connection to the rest of that, um, wetland system. It's It's likely seen a lot of oil already, but that's not to say that it it should see more.

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Um, it's There's nothing wrong with >> If If I may, um, we could ask the contractor who would be on site, um, to make sure that they had spill materials with them. Um, either, you know, the dry materials

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as as well as the absorbent pads. So, if something were to happen, just in case, we could contain it quickly. Yeah. >> I'd be fine with that in this situation. I'd want confirmation of that from the contractor before work starts.

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Yeah. That's my bad. >> Is that it? I don't have anything else other than Right. Yeah. Do we have any other public comments? No one? Okay.

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>> none. So, we have conditions for Skill kid. Pervious condition. >> Yep. Pervious maintenance I would like. >> Pervious maintenance. Um native seed, you already changed that on the plan or was that just an email? Apologies for

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>> Of course. Um it was an email acknowledging that it's okay, but it we can update the plan um in which we can either provide an an update to you or we can just provide an updated copy to the contractor. >> Okay. >> Whichever you prefer.

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That's the last of the conditions, right? >> I believe so. >> Do I hear a motion? How would we do? >> So, I'll make a motion that we issue a negative determine a negative predetermination with the Skill kid. Before we issue the permit with the

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special conditions. >> Do I hear a second? >> I'll second. >> All right. Made by Marilyn, seconded by Brian. Um all those in favor of saying I. >> I. >> I. I'm also an I. No?

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Abstains? All right. It passes. One, two, three, four, five. >> Um just for procedure, we'll prep the permit over the next 2 weeks. They'll sign it on July 22nd. You should have it the next day. >> Okay. Is there

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an opportunity to maybe begin some of this work before the permit's signed? >> Not really. But, there is potential if there is a big brush that I can try to get the

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permit prepped quicker and harass them to sign it in the next 2 weeks. >> We've been known to do so. >> Yeah. Is that Is there a time >> Yeah, I I just you know there's there's upcoming vacations for the applicant. So, just trying to at least start the work

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and get it moving before then. >> We will do our best to be in touch. >> That would be wonderful. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, now we move to enforcement, which is 1 North Street, continued from an earlier date.

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May we get a briefing from the agent, please? >> Yes. That one is wrapped up. Plantings went in a while ago. The conservation posts are conservation fencing went in the same day as the fence from the determination

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of applicability, and the conservation posts went up. We just got photo documentation of that today. So, this one I think is all set. >> And all the like the fresh work, is that wrapped in with this one? Or is that Was that separate?

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>> You talking the invasives? >> Yeah. >> That was a separate RDA. >> Okay. Never mind, then. All right. What do we Do we hear a motion to either close the enforcement and remove it? Or do we have any other comments?

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>> I'll make a motion to close it. >> Second. >> All right. Made by Brian. >> Seconded by Marilyn. >> Mhm. >> All those in favor say yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All those in favor say no. >> No. >> Not in favor. Sorry.

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Ezra? >> No. >> All right. So, it's closed. And removed from it. All right. We will move on to 244 Rabbit Road. >> Yep. Uh we have Jenna Carroll on tonight. And

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she uh provided information yesterday about progress that she's made. Uh we have a signed contract with Merrill Engineering. Uh we have a signed contract with Agile Engineering. Um which was the structural engineer that

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is the one that worked on the assessment. Um so, Jenna now has Sorry, give me one second. Pull up the document. And she can speak to this, too. But um site survey is scheduled for the week of

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July 20th. Uh I believe with Merrill. Um probably also with the structural engineer. Structural engineer says they'll need 2 weeks to work the retaining wall plans after receiving a copy of the survey. Um so, she can't provide an exact delivery date for the plans as of this point. Um

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there was mention before about um that she had tried to file an NOI with DEP for the um existing structures other than the wall in the parking area. Um I haven't had an update on that. But um she did say that their landscaper is coming over the

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weekend. We'll be removing the chicken coop, which is just kind of out in the yard on a flat area. Um and they're just going to remove that and um throw down some grass seed, peat moss to keep, you know, that area stable.

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Which, to me, seems fine. It's not structure that to me would really need permitting to remove in that aspect. So, Jen is here tonight if you have any questions for her. Um, at the last meeting, the commission voted to suspend the issuance

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of fines pending tonight's meeting. Um, and she's definitely made made some progress. >> Do we have all of We don't have any other things not >> The only two things there was two separate, um, action items. One was

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the permitted removal of the retaining wall and parking area, which there is now significant progress on. Um, and the other one was the permitted removal or retrospective permitting of the other outbuildings and structures, retaining

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walls, things like that. So, that one, I believe, was supposed to be done by yesterday. >> Yeah. >> Um, but I would say that from the last meeting, we knew that that wasn't going to happen, but, um, question was whether there was progress made. >> All right.

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Do we want to You guys have any comments? Commissioners? Is she here? >> Yep. Yeah, if you have any questions for her, she's online. >> Does anyone have any questions? >> I don't have any questions for her right now. >> Um, if nobody has any questions or major concerns as of right now, you could just

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continue this to a date certain and revisit to just keep up on progress. Um, you can do that in 2 weeks, you can do that in a month. I have no preference. >> There's There's site visits in 2 weeks, right? Or there? >> Site visit is on the 20th. Um so, by the

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22nd, I would think the best you could get is at least a update on that. Um >> Confirmation. >> meeting, but you're not going to have any real deliverables from it. >> Hey, I I just want to clarify that that um surveyors are coming the week of the

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20th, not specifically on the 20th. It could be the 20th, but sometime that week. >> Makes sense. >> Okay. >> I make a motion to continue to August 5th. >> August 5th? >> August 5th.

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>> Is that a month from now? The next meeting? >> Yeah. It's 1 month, so two meetings from now. >> Okay, second. >> Okay. >> What was that? August 5th? >> August 5th. >> Uh made by Brian, seconded by Marilyn.

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Uh all those in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. Nays? Abstains? >> All right. All right. We will continue this till August 5th. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, John. >> Have a great night, everyone.

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>> You, too. >> All right. 19 Blair Drive. Uh the owner's representative has requested continuance till July 22nd, 2026. >> And we're not doing that? >> Yeah. Um we had a site visit a week or so ago,

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and um one of the things we talked about was which we talked about at the previous meeting was was needing information on whether uh retaining wall there would be permissible uh before making any decision on the enforcement. Um so, we're waiting on information from

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uh Paul Brogna on this, and he has not come up with anything definitive yet. Uh he is working on it. So, he requested a continuance. >> Okay. Do we a motion? >> I'll make that motion to continue to July 22nd. >> I'll second that.

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>> Thank you. >> All right, made by Marilyn, seconded by Colleen. All those in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Nays? Abstains? >> All right. >> That will be July 22nd, 2026. All right, 10 Innsbruck Lane.

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We will Can we please hear a briefing from the agent? >> Yes, give me one second. Um I think I briefed the commission at some point that we had um another vernal pool related and building department related enforcement issue coming in. Um

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and this is that one. Uh we have the property owners uh Kurt and Jen Johnson online tonight. Um they have been working for I think a couple of years on doing an outbuilding project on their property uh working with Grady

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Engineering or Grady Consulting, rather, um and checking in with uh various iterations of building commissioner um at Town Hall, which we've we've gone through a few of in recent history. Um that when I

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at this point, we have a new part-time building commissioner, and he's routing everything through our office. Any outdoor construction goes to our office, which is the way it should work, and um I flagged this one based on GIS review that it looked

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like it was jurisdictional. Um and we just sort of told them, "Hey, you should file an RDA." Hence the RDA that that was withdrawn earlier tonight. Um when we went out to do a site visit for the RDA, saw that the work had already

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started. Um, trees had been essentially the trees and all the understory, everything was was stripped out. Um, and then it looked like uh, fill had been brought in. Uh, retaining walls, a series of retaining walls had been built. Essentially, where they were building

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the the building needed support. So, when you're just looking at it down on a plan, it looks something like, "Okay, it's probably outside of the 50-ft you know, that could be something permissible." And then when you see the actual grading and everything involved, um, you know, the

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project is significantly closer. Um, so it ended up being about I think the silt sock is roughly 10 ft away from the wetland edge. Um, and the retaining wall starts about 18 ft away. Um, unfortunately, when I got

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back to the office and had the time to dig into this a little bit, realized that right across the wetland is 15 Crystal Drive, where we did an RDA a couple years ago for a addition. Um, and it was called a vernal pool in that

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filing. And we have um, more information on file related to Crystal Drive about that being not surveyed, but assessed for its capacity to be a vernal pool in the past. Um,

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unfortunately for the Johnsons, they seem to have gotten some bad advice from someone in the building department saying that that was just a drainage um, that was built for the development to go in. Um, so the conversation that I had with them on site that day was

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"We'll see what we can find, but what I see today is a wetland. Um, there is a situation where they might build a a drainage system there, and then no one maintains it for 30 years, and then you end up with wetland soils, wetland hydrology,

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and wetland vegetation. Um in this situation, I I haven't really found any evidence of that. I think that it would likely was there before the development. Um I found a few points of evidence to that. Um the property owners make no claims about any of that other than they

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they thought they had done everything they needed to do. Um they really did everything right other than checking with our office. Um which unfortunately is always on the property owner no matter what um someone says from a different department here. Um so I did follow up a little bit with

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Grady on this just to sort of ask why they didn't feel like >> it was worth mentioning? >> a phone call or something was worth mentioning on this. Um and we've now printed some

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uh papers to put up on the door and the glass of the building department as well as the health department and I believe we put it down uh the hall as well. Just trying to put it in front of everybody that comes in not to really listen too much about what anybody says

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other than our our department. Um so I told them that you know, I said more than likely the commission's going to want to see this restored. I recommended that they reach out to a wetland scientist to start putting a wetland

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uh restoration plan together. Uh they did reach out to Brad Holmes. Uh it's my understanding that they are working with him. They are here tonight. They can give you an update on that maybe. Um but assuming that they have, you know, Brad signed up or have somebody signed up to to work through on this, my

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recommendation would be uh continuance for at least a month um to give them the time to work on that and and you know, come before the commission with an actual plan rather than have you set deadlines now. >> Do we have any comments from the board

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before we move to the >> No, I think that makes sense. >> Yeah, continue. >> Um Mr. and Mrs. Johnson. >> Yes, we're here. Um we yes, so we reached out to Brad and we actually have a meeting with him on

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next Friday the 17th. Um for him to come take a look at everything and we can come up with a plan on how to restore um restore that area

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back to a more natural habitat. >> Okay. >> Make a motion to continue to August 5th. >> Second. >> Agreed. Okay. I mean if I No, no, I agree. That's what I just said. I I just took me by surprise. Uh all those

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in favor? >> I. >> I. Uh any opposed? Any abstains? All right. This will be continued to August 5th. Hopefully we can have a plan by then. >> So I'll keep you guys all send you an

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email updating you on this. >> Awesome. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. 6 Prospect Street? >> Um no update on this. Um $300

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daily fines are being issued for four separate violations every day. Um so there are a lot of daily fines um heading out on this. I believe Brian's

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in touch with town council, but I'm not sure where that's going. Um I reached out for an update and and not um had one yet. So, I >> So, we have no input from town council? >> I don't want to say we have no input from town council. I don't know how

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negotiations or discussions or whatever's happening. I I'm told by Brian that that he's in some sort of discussions with town council, um but I don't know what those consist of. So, really all I have for the commission is we don't really have

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information. Daily fines being issued. I'm sending them out in batches. >> But none have been paid. >> No, no. In fact, I I believe he's submitted paperwork to appeal the fines. So. >> How much are the fines?

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>> Um >> You said 300? >> 300 300? >> It's $1,200 a day. >> A day. Okay. >> Yeah. So, I sent out a batch >> Total $300 per violation. >> Yeah. I sent out a batch the other day that was I think it was roughly $10,000. >> that's what you would say. >> Oh, and then maybe you maybe the first batch was

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maybe $3,000. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Are there some con- conversations with town council um confidential from the conservation commission? >> I'm not sure about that. And I and I

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don't know >> council and see what they're talking about. >> Yeah, I I I'm trying to get an update for the commission just so that there's an understanding of are we just going to keep going on like this and I'm going to keep writing these fines because my hand

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you know >> Yeah, cuz he may be in the process of like turning over the property to I don't know who knows what. >> It's And again, it's not his to turn over. If he vacates Right. >> It's not It's not within our >> But that's >> It's not within our >> And and that's why I was

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asking if we had any more information that would give us some guidance. >> Nothing at this point, so I think my recommendation to the commission is there is no change. We're still issuing $1,200 a day in fines across four different violations. Um

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and and that's it for now. Um if it if it keeps dragging on and and we aren't seeing any motion towards a solution here, then I'll I'll work with counsel to bring other options to the commission.

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>> So, in your opinion, what risk factors that could you be facing here? >> You know what I'm talking >> From our perspective, which is our purview. >> I'm not sure. Um I know I spoke with um JRA, Jimmy from JRA today, and he was

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planning on flying his drone um around the Smoke Brook area just to see after we got roughly 3 in of rain yesterday. >> Right. >> Um and I don't know what that system looks like. I don't know if there was a huge plume of >> Yeah.

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>> sediment that was released yesterday. I don't know if it's relatively stable. Um but unfortunately, he wasn't able to fly today because of uh wind gusts, but um yeah. Obviously, as been discussed before, we want a

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quick solution on this because there is risk there. Not only to not only to well and resource areas, but beyond that. >> Well, right. There's a septic system that's not accounted for. There's a dam that's in poor repair that could go. There's the caved-in section, and then

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not knowing the flow and all of that. So, again, those are things we are >> Yes. >> supposed to be dealing with, and yet we're kind of stonewalled here because of all these other concerns. >> Yeah. I'll uh I'll I'll get an update

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from council before the next meeting. Thank you. Uh motion to continue to July 22nd. That's it. >> Second. >> Okay. >> 27th? >> 22nd. >> 22nd. >> 22nd. >> All right. All those in favor? >> You need a second first.

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Do we have a second? >> Um sorry. >> Oh, I I thought I seconded it. >> I thought I heard Marilyn say it. >> Sorry. >> All right. Uh all those in favor? >> Aye. >> Uh any nays? Any abstains? All right, great. Uh will the agent update us on ongoing projects?

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>> Um I should have prepared more for this and I didn't cuz at the last meeting we were just It was like 10:00 and I was like, "There are no projects." >> [laughter] >> We were over. >> Um but truthfully, we haven't really had time for any projects. It's been all

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permitting and enforcement. Um I tried to get out today. Just while it while I thought it wasn't 90°, it really pretty much was. Um but just trying to get at some of our properties and do some basic maintenance cuz this year we've had very little

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uh volunteer assistance. Um we have nobody working the tax program this year for trails. Um I have no interns currently. Uh with the summertime. Um so, just certain properties are not what they should be. So, Carter

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Preserve on 106, I went there today just to try to get the parking area somewhat situated. Uh we had a little bit of um work done this year by Saugus Lake Horticulture Group, but I don't think they didn't make it too far before they ran out of time in the school year. Um

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did a little bit of mulching, just trying to keep the vines and everything back. Um it's just a lot of that stuff that needs to be done that we don't have time to prioritize. So, whereas this was a relatively easy meeting prep, I was able to get out at least today and get some

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of that stuff done. Um beyond that, wrapping up grant-funded projects um now that the NOI is filed for the Rocky Nook stormwater project, that one essentially is wrapped up um and just to put in for reimbursement. Um

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DER culverts is wrapped up um you know, in the in prep work that was being done for the Weeks Street culvert project that's now going to be funded by MassDOT. Um so, we're doing a little bit of work just on implementation of that, working with

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Eversource, the water department, um just trying to make sure everybody has the information that the project is happening so they can let us know if anything has changed on their end or they can review um our bid documents. Um

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>> Am I missing any projects? >> So, we haven't had any >> Anything more on the trail by the senior center? >> It is in progress. It was not tied to fiscal year. Um so, we didn't have to push him on that. We work with the same engineer on

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all three of these projects this year. Um so, there is there is still progress on that. But, we haven't wrapped up the design project yet um because there was no need to push it by the end of June.

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>> You That's it. Okay. >> Yeah, we have He is still working on the design and then I'm going to work on permitting after that and then we'll be applying for the next round of the MassTrails grant. Um And I believe

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the COA may have some money that they may be willing to put towards that as well. Which would be really good. >> Mhm. >> Especially if we have a significant match on that. I expect that project is going to be really expensive to build. Um

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obviously we'll try to you know, through design and um you know, bidding, try to do it in a way that we can cut some costs. Um if we need to do the decking ourselves, you know, we can get volunteers together to do that sort of stuff, but

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um the good thing, the survey work I think made the project slightly cheaper in that they figured out that there's already sort of an ex- not a trail, but an existing upland that extends down sort of halfway

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into the pond, next to the pond. You know, halfway deep through the pond. Um and that saves a significant amount of essentially dock, you know, raised boardwalk that has to be built and that that should

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help somewhat with the cost. What's I think going to be tricky and costly is once we get out across the wetlands, or the the main wetlands there by Bates Pond, we're tying into an existing trail network of fire roads that have grown in

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over the years. Um modifying those to be US Forest Service accessible um is a big part of what will make this competitive with that grant program. They they don't

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want a short out and back. They don't see the worth in that. They want us to go out and loop all the way around and then come back. So, in order to do that, we have to be able to get those fire roads relatively flat and then build another section of boardwalk through a wetland

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that's up by the railroad tracks. Um so, there is going to be significantly more cost to do all of that. Um but, if we can you know, make it reasonable it will rank highly, I think, in their

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absolutely. Especially being right coming basically right off of the COA and having a significant length, not just being a quick, you know, quick boardwalk out and back. >> And it'll be ADA? >> I don't know that it will be officially ADA compliant. That's incredibly

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difficult and costly. Costly more than anything. We will get [clears throat] it to the US Forest Service accessibility standard. The boardwalk itself would likely meet ADA standards, but the rest of the trail

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that's already out there is really not feasible for us to get that to ADA standards. So, I think it'll be similar to what we did at Blackwater where it's not ADA accessible, but it's pretty accessible. One thing I would like to do that we

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that we haven't really talked too much about is get I don't know if you would pay like accessible parking. I don't know if you would call it like a handicap space or whatever however they call it. Like I've seen it at a project down in I think it was Mashpee using that

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sort of concrete grid. It almost looks like little tile connected together and you put that in perfectly flat and then backfill it with stone dust in between the little pieces of concrete and and compact it and it just makes a parking area that's perfectly flat.

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Right now our parking area is 3/4 stone which is was done on purpose because it's very pervious and you have Samson's Brook right next to it, but you know, we can get one parking space in next to the trailhead.

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I think very flat and nice and at that point I think be able to say that we're pretty close to marking it as an accessible trail. For now it's something where if you can at least feel comfortable enough getting out of the car and walking across three

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quarter stone to the trail. The trail itself around the old cranberry bog is is nice and flat. >> Thank you. >> So, I think that's all for projects um we're working on various things. Um the purchase of the Wapping Road property.

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The closing is scheduled for the 15th. Um our title research came up with a couple of issues um that we passed back to the property owner to figure out um how to handle. So, I've I'm basically passing that on to their lawyers and our

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lawyers and having them figure out um how to deal with that. Um and then I think I already updated you on I did I already update you on um Replenish Trail getting the earmarks in for the purchase of the DOT parcel off of Camp Neecon,

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which is years and years in the making, and uh significant money towards Maple Street culvert and dam. Um again, the the funding isn't there. It's an earmark, so it may or may not actually get funded, but um one good

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step in the process. Um we're hopeful that that that will come through and um it'll be really good two really good projects. Any questions for me on projects or anything like that while we >> I think so.

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>> Well, it's only 7:15. >> Works for me. >> And the herbicide and the NOI and the bog. >> Um yes, that's something I should update you on. We filed we were going to file an RDA for herbicide treatment on conservation recreation properties,

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um and I Yeah. Continued it and then just pulled it. Wasn't appropriate to do it that way. I was trying to figure out if we could or couldn't just to avoid the hassle of filing an NOI, um and you just can't can't do it. So,

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we needed to file an NOI for that. Like I said, we've been pretty slammed with permitting and enforcement, so we haven't had a ton of time. I just had Georgie start working on maps for that, and we're hopeful that that we can go forward

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getting some pushback on Gray's Beach. Not pushback, but the phragmites have been there for years. And it's sort of become our problem. Um so, I'm going to We're going to deal with it. I'm going to I'll treat it, but

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we need to get this part done first in order to be able to do it legally. Beyond that, there's a lot of other stuff growing on the beach there, including seaside goldenrod, which I would love to dig up and move. In fact, when I had some

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We had volunteers out there from a local school this spring, and I had them go and not start to dig up the phragmites. And while we were out there, I dug up or we dug up a bunch of seaside goldenrod, and I had our intern Levon at the time

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transplant them into the rain garden at Gray's Beach. And I just went there yesterday, and a lot of them had survived, which is nice. It's a great species, a lot of benefit, can grow in those tough conditions. So, there's a lot of that growing on the beach in parts of the beach where you don't

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really want anything growing, but I'm not spraying that. It doesn't really make sense just to like kill them. So, again, I don't really have time to do that, but if you know anybody wants to volunteer some time, I'd love to get that dug up and and move

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somewhere, even if it is just the other rain gardens at Gray's Beach, just to get it someplace where they can grow and >> Are they difficult to remove? >> No, it's just it's just in sand, so it's like you know, whether it's a shovel or a a hand trowel or something, it's it's not

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Yeah. I have five gallon buckets. You can put like a little bit of water in a five gallon bucket. Put them right in there. >> I have a pitch for it. Do you want to do it right now? Or later? >> Yeah, we'll find a date. Talk to me. Are you sure? >> Yeah, yeah, I don't know. You keep going.

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>> I think we're good. >> All right. Well, I thought it was it. The next meeting will be held July 22nd, 2026. Starting at 6:30 p.m. The time is now 7:13. Do I have a motion to adjourn? >> So moved. >> Second.

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Great. Uh, do I have a roll call? I guess. >> But everybody's here. >> Motion passes. Right. Meeting is adjourned. Uh, I'll wait. >> Say it everybody. Did everybody vote? >> No, you said I. I'm thinking of different space for some reason. Um, all those in favor? Sorry.

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>> Aye. >> No, abstain. Great. Motion passes now. Meeting's over.