She's right. Paul is not she is >> recording in progress. >> Okay. We're going to go ahead and um open the meeting of November 10th, 2025 at 7:00.
Uh we'll start with a roll call. Alexander Graham here, >> Dave Gavigan, >> Tom Buchad, >> Jonathan Barnett, >> Bob Kedar. >> We have a full board. We're ready to go. >> All right. So, our first uh hearing is
703. So, we got to wait three minutes. Can we do the minutes? We have two sets of minutes. Uh we have 825 and 98. And I think there's a full board on each of those.
Who prepared the minutes? >> A combination of friends, >> the sewer department. >> Very well done, >> Valerie and Paula. So, we thank you. >> Very well done. I I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes of September 8th, 2025 as >> second. Moved and seconded to pres uh to approve as presented. All those in favor say I. I >> I >> opposed extensions
unanimous. >> The next ones are uh September 8th. >> No, August 25th. >> August 25th. >> Oh, I was I wasn't here for that. Yeah. Did it opposite? >> I'll make a motion to accept the meeting minutes of August 25th, 2025 as
presented. I'll second it. >> Moved and seconded to approve the minutes as presented. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Abstensions. Jonathan abstains.
It's a four 401. And now it is time for our first hearing. >> Do we have a hearing notice? We do. The Kingston Planning Board will hold a public hearing on Monday, November 10th,
2025 at 7:03 p.m. at the Kingston Townhouse, 26 Evergreen Street, Kingston, Massachusetts in room 200 on the peti on the petition of Osprey Realy Trust, Mark and Cheryl A. uh Greaboni.
Um trustees for approval of a special permit per the town of Kingston zoning bylaw. Section five, table of uses in order to convert office space to residential use on the second floor over a firstf flooror business use on land owned by the applicant at 6 Old Orchard
Lane, Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, and is shown on the designated Kingston Assessor's Map 68, lot 9 in a commercial district. A copy of the application and plans are available for inspection at the town clerk's office, 26 Evergreen Street,
Kingston. The petitioner or his or her representative and any person interested or wishing to comment on the proposal should appear at the time and place designated. >> Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh we have for
you a staff report which is in the form of a draft vote >> and just reviewing with you that this is an allowed use by special permit in this commercial district. We have an existing building. There's no changes to the property um other than the renovations
to the second floor. We uh had it reviewed by the other departments and didn't receive any uh concerns or comments from any of the other departments with respect to the application. Uh we have drafted conditions that it
would be uh and Mr. Gaboni has already had the opportunity to review these um that would allow no more than two residential dwelling units within the building and as shown in the architectural plans that we've have received with this and prior to the
occupancy permit or andor building permit. We'd want to make sure this special permit is recorded, that any back taxes, fines, or fees owed to the town, if any, are um are paid off. That exterior lighting will comply with our
prevention of light pollution bylaw. That the fire department requested a lock box for the commercial portion of the building, and one parking space shall be ADA compliant if required by the building code. Um, we noted that there's no dumpster
pad shown. At a future date, if a dumpster is installed, it needs to be screened. And, uh, we because it's, uh, going to have residences above, we ask that the trash collection by truck be after 8:00 a.m.
And this is Mr. Gaboni. >> Good evening, everybody. Thank you very much for considering our request. So, As you're uh probably aware, this is a transitional property on the on right on the line between commercial and residential. Residential is family
neighborhood of which my family is is the neighborhood. Um the u commercial building was constructed in 2013. >> Uh sorry. >> It's not over. >> Okay. >> Please. >> Uh welcome. Thank you very everybody.
Um, so as you're aware, this is a a transitional property um that's on the edge of a commercial bordering uh residential property. The commercial use has not been an impact to the neighborhood that is mostly my familyowned.
Um in 2014, the building was finished. The offices were configured as the plan that you have in front of you um at that time. Um that's a there was no plan presented. Those were done when the
occupancy permit was issued. That was the configuration in place. When we originally uh designed the offices, each unit has a a private office um and then it has office space around it. Each one has a break room and a a bathroom with a
shower in it. So they we we had this in mind and um Paul Armstrong at the time um encouraged us to move forward and we got the bylaw approved by town meeting shortly after the construction of the building. We haven't actually gone
through which is was townwide by the way for commercial and I passed town meeting with uh either minimal or no opposition. So when we uh we haven't got around to applying for the residential use because the office space up until co was pretty
profitable but at this point since co we really haven't had I've had an empty unit pretty much uh the whole time currently uh witend computer occupies one half of the building using the office space upstairs. the uh other side is occupied
by an electrician using the warehouse and he'd like to occupy the upstairs either as an office or to use it as a residence for one of his employees that would be on site um at the time. So when we designed it, we designed it with uh
with the um office space or residence over a full bay. Several of the folks that have um reached out to me have said, "Well, I've got a food truck business and I'd like to live upstairs." Well, really can't do that at this point. So, this is why we're going
forward with it. Um the parking requirements are actually reduced by converting the units to residential. The sewer is adequate and the water's adequate to move forward with that. building department would have to
address one of the issues that came up was the egress. So if these are independent individual units, they would have to have a secondary ingress. That is an issue that it will be involved prior to beginning occupancy for this use. So at this point, Paul said the
first uh part of this is to come and get the approval to move forward with the use change. There is already a lock box with a master key in it for the entire building on site for the fire department. And um so that's already in place. It's been in
place since it was built and a full alarm systems involved. Currently, when the alarm goes off, the door between the two units opens magnetically. It's released. I'm not sure if that's going to meet the requirements of the new building inspector, but I'm hopeful that
we'll be able to work out something with an emergency only and if we pull a put a pull in there so that if there is not a fire but there's still an emergency, somebody can pull and then the door would come unlocked and they can use the other egress.
Other than that, um I don't think unless there's any questions. Oh, the dumpster. We have a dumpster on site, a fouryard dumpster. Currently, it doesn't have a pad. It sits on crushed stone. Uh I certainly could have a pad poured for it if that would be uh make it more
amicable. It's >> Yeah. Our desire with that is to with the pad and the screening is um to help protect the water quality um by helping to prevent liquids from the dumpster seeping into the ground.
You do have wetlands surrounding the the area. So, >> I understand >> that that it' be uh there wouldn't be any problem with doing that. Um and I assume it would have a rim around it to contain the the the waste from the dumpster. >> That would be the goal. And then um
it would be it's it's already there. So, I I wouldn't argue that it has to be screened, but um ideally we would screen the dumpster from public view. >> Gotcha. But it's a private road, so it's already there.
I'm not going to um push that. >> No, there's there's nothing to screen it from really. It's all commercial properties around there. >> Um >> Okay. >> It's kind of a standalone property in a lot of ways. >> Yep. >> So, I agree with you, Val. And um
so I think that's the only thing we have to add and that the pad would be forward for the uh dumpster. I I'm familiar with this building. um uh inspector and I've been there uh and looked at this when it was built. I don't know how many years ago was that,
Mark? >> Uh 2014. >> And everything had to be copper and cast iron because it was a commercial use. The question came up at the time and I'm like, well, it's we don't have that in our bylaw right now for residential over
commercial. Since then, that has changed. >> So, everything all the plumbing was copper and cast iron at the time. So, I'm sure We'll leave it the way it is because it's all ready to go. But I don't see any problems with this and value. You feel the same way, right?
>> I do. And it's consistent with the master plan as well. >> It's really a nice unit and it's all by itself. It's like there's nobody else really there. It's it's a no-brainer. Anybody
have questions or concerns or anything, comments? Nothing. Well, do we have a motion to approve uh or to close the hearing and then we
could move forward with um a motion to approve or or whatever you desire. So, the first thing would be if there's no comments to have a motion to close the hearing. >> I'll make a motion to close the hearing.
>> We have a second. Second. >> All right. It's been moved by David, seconded by Jonathan. All those in favor of closing the hearing say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Abstensions. It's a 5-0. Okay. Now on the application. Um, do we have a
motion on the application special permit? >> To read the motion. Um, you could read the first sentence of the staff report at its regularly scheduled meeting. Planning board voted blank to
grant or deny a special permit with conditions noted below for the subject property. >> You going I'll make I'll make a motion. Um this this first sentence on our on our notice. >> Yeah, we're right under here. It says uh
>> staff report. >> I'm on the wrong one. I'm on the wrong one. >> So >> good time. where it's where it's um highlighted on that first sentence. It says the planning board voted
>> blank to grant or you could say something else to grant a special permit with conditions as noted below. I'll I'll make a motion um to approve the plan and board vote to grant a special permit to the conditions noted
below for the subject property in order to convert existing office space to residential two-bedroom apartments on the second floor over commercial use per table five use regulation of the town of Kingston zoning bylaw for mixed use in
the commercial zone um with the conditions listed. Um, as Valerie stated, >> right, I'll second that. >> Okay. Second, whatever that was, >> right? You heard it.
>> I'm just looking at the the conditions that Val had listed. Yeah, I think >> they're right here on >> page three. We'll just edit it to to not be uh you know to be the pad with the lip
>> including the pad for the dumpster >> to add the condition of a pad for the dumpster with a retaining lip. Is >> that okay with you too, David? >> You seconded it. >> Yes. Okay. So, that along with the
Yeah, I saw number three is deleted now because we're going to have a had in place of that uh no more than two residential dwelling units within the building to be located on the second floor shown as in the
plans. Any changes to the plans shall require additional review by the planning prior to issuance of occupancy permit or or a building permit. Evidence of recording of this special grant shall be provided to the building commissioner
or and planning board. Evidence of payment of any back taxes shall be taken. All exterior lighting shall be inspected for compliance with prevention of light pollution
as Valerie had said. >> So the lighting we know is there. Okay. >> The lighting plan was approved by you guys originally when the building went. >> All right. So we know what we've uh what what the motion is. We know what the the conditions are. Is everybody happy with
that? >> Yes, sir. >> So, we have a motion, we have a second, we have conditions. Um, all everybody prepared to vote? Yes, >> sir. >> All those in favor of um the vote say I >> I
>> opposed abstensions. That would be a five Z. >> Thank you, everybody. >> You're all set. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mark. Thank you all. >> All right. So, uh, >> good night, guys.
Take off. >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> Thanks. See you next time. >> All right. Hope all everybody gets well. >> Oh, yeah. We're on the mend. >> Thank you for coming. Of course, >> especially for this. I appreciate it. >> We all appreciate it. >> Thanks, Alex.
>> All right. So, uh, Jason's here. >> Yep. >> D. Roier, is that >> Roger of the Old Colony Planning Council will present a housing production plan update.
Thank you for being here, Jason. You can go up and uh use the mic. That'd be great. Jason's helping us with our housing production plan update and he works for Old Colony Planning Council and we've gotten a grant from the U executive
office of environmental affairs. >> Thank you. >> That's paying for his services to help us with this update along with a match from the local affordable housing trust. >> So this is all being paid for by grants that we wouldn't have gotten.
>> That's right. We haven't voted for the MBTA zoning >> would be paying out of pocket. >> Jason, go ahead. We're glad we're not paying for you, but go ahead. >> Uh, so good evening, uh, Chairman Buchard, members of the planning board.
My name is Jason D. Roger. I'm the senior planner for housing and public engagement at the Old Colony Planning Council. And in full disclosure, I was a resident of Kingston for a number of years. I lived with my grandmother on 32nd Brook Street um as her primary caretaker um while she lived in
Kingston. Um so uh the first step of the housing production plan update because you have one from 2019 that is set to expire um soon uh by the end of 2025. So, working on the update which will
keep you in compliance uh with the 40B requirements for a updated um housing production plan uh for the next 5 years which for this one will be 2025 to 2030 or 2026 to 2030. Um I'm working out the
years uh with EOHLC for that. Um the first step was to do a public survey. Um the survey was closed in early or mid to late um September, sorry. Uh we had approximately 156 uh survey
respondents. Uh 91 almost 92% were residents of the town of Kingston. Uh 8% were either business owners or had some sort of connection to King. They worked in Kingston, some sort of connection. Uh for demographics,
uh 34 almost 35% 34.8% 28% uh have lived in Kingston for 20 or more years. Over half um have lived in the town for over 10 years. Uh 28 almost uh 29% uh live in twoerson households uh of those
households 36% 35.7% have households with seniors uh those over the age of 65 and 41% live in households with children under the age of 18. Uh majority of survey
respondents uh almost 90% 89.3% are homeowners uh versus 7.4% are renters. Uh 34% uh were were 65 plus over half of survey respondents were over the age of 55. Uh
72% were female, 22% male. uh and 22% um either live in households or themselves uh report a disability or a chronic illness. Regarding housing conditions and affordability, 76% say their home uh
meets their current needs, whereas 23% uh say it does not. 56% site high property taxes as the main issue for their current housing situation. 57 almost 58% report affordability challenges. uh 15.7 almost 16% have
difficulty paying housing costs. 34% could afford the median sales price in the town of Kingston, which is approximately 685,000. Uh and 34% could afford current fair market uh rent levels if they had to move. Uh so generally um for this area,
fair market rent is between 2,000 and 2,800 depending on bedroom size or unit size. uh nearly one in five households spends over 30% of their income on housing whereas 15% spend uh over 50%.
If you spend over 30% of your household income on rent you're considered costburdened. Anything over 50% you're considered severely costburdened. So those are just survey respondents for Kingston as a whole. For renters 16.6% are cost burdened spending 30% or more
of their household income on rent. Uh 15% are severely costburdened. For homeowners, uh 18.6% are cost burdened, spending 30% or more, and 18.8 almost 19% are severely cost burdened, spending 50% or more of their household income on
housing costs. 97.4% almost 98% do not receive income based housing assistance, which is not surprising because uh survey respondents were largely homeowners. Uh for the populations who are least served by current housing in the town of Kingston,
this is the top eight. Firsttime or first generation home buyers 65% young families 64% families uh earning under $80,000 a year 60% recent college graduates or young professionals 57%
seniors 55 plus 48% unhoused uh individual or those at risk of losing their home 43% veterans at 42% and people with disabilities at 33%. on the reverse page uh on views on housing
affordability and opportunities in Kingston. 68% of respondents disagreed with the statement, "Our children can afford to remain in or return to Kingston as they start their own households." 68% disagreed with the statement, "Older residents have adequate alternatives for remaining in
their communities as they age." and 54% of respondents disagreed with the statement, "Those who provide essential services in our community can afford to live here." Uh, housing type opinions and preferences. Uh, when asked if the town of Kingston has too little of
adequate or or too much of, uh, 44% said the town of Kingston has too little of duplexes, which are sort of two families. Uh, 46% answered just the right amount. So, there was somewhat of a a split there. 36%
thought the town of Kingston has too little of town houses. 52% answered just the right amount. And 35% thought town of Kingston has uh too little of small multif family, which is between 4 to 9
units. Uh 45% answered uh they believe Kingston has just the right amount of those kinds of housing types. Um and when asked about the preferred types of housing, the top six are listed here. First, accessible housing, which we can think of as uh housing units with no
stairs, rolling showers, handrails at 70% green design uh housing that has low environmental impact. 64% smaller single family homes, those that are under 1,800 square ft. 59% adaptive reuse of existing buildings, so converting
non-residential buildings to residential use. um was about 53%. The the list is not there. Uh and then tied for fifth uh assisted living or memory cafe facilities and senior co-housing. Um
which we can think of as sort of lack of a better term uh dorm room for adults where you have sort of like private bedrooms but shared amenities, shared kitchens, bathrooms, etc., etc. with some amenity space um on each floor as well as uh on the ground floor uh at
57%. Uh and then age restricted housing for 55 plus 54%. Uh the least support was for supportive and transitional housing. 48% of survey response respondents were opposed to that uh housing type for policy and zoning
support. So the survey was split between uh a couple of key target areas. Um one was policy and zoning, one was resources, increasing resources for housing and then sort of planning. Uh so this is looking at policy and zoning specifically. 81% of respondents
supported a housing implementation roadmap. 65% supported criteria for town owned parcels. 50% support single family conversions to small multif family. And 63% support joint housing and open space planning with the conservation
commission. So, cottage style sort of um open space uh residential um housing types. So, in review or in summary, uh key themes emerging from the open-ended responses included affordability challenges, um challenges with aging in
place, the ability to age in place, uh the need for diverse housing types and community engagement. Uh there was a number of affordability concerns. respondents cited high property taxes, rising home values, and lack of downsizing options for seniors. Younger residents and families are increasingly
priced out of town. Um there was a sentiment on growth. Uh residents expressed mixed feelings about development support. Uh there was support for smart infill balanced with concerns about overdevelopment, infrastructure strain, and loss of the Kingston small town character or
perceived loss of the character of the town. uh for the desired housing types, strong support for smaller homes, uh 55 plus housing, accessible units, and adaptive reuse. There was moderate support for mixeduse and town houses, uh and opposition to large multif family
complexes. Uh residents value transparency, communication, and balance between preservation and progress. Many exper uh express a need for more education on affordable housing and its community benefits. Uh and so and lastly overall Kingston residents are united
around affordability challenges but divided on growth and how to sort of meet the challenges of affordability. They seek balanced development that maintains community character while meeting changing needs. Support is strongest for smaller uh diverse and contextsensitive housing options that
allow seniors to age in place and young families to put down roots. Uh on the last page are just um draft goals that uh have come out of the survey. um making sure that what folks are identifying in the survey ultimately get
sort of incorporated into the the final housing production plan. Uh these are similar to the goals that were included in the 2019 housing production plan, but they're sort of shifted a little bit. So, um they're focused on proactive
planning for goal one, uh producing and revitalizing, so expanding housing options for goal two. uh zoning um potential zoning changes and adaptations for goal three. Uh preserving current affordable housing um for goal four and
education and engagement with community members is goal five. Uh and lastly um I've played around with some numbers in terms of housing production targets. Uh so for new construction targeting 20 units over a five-year period, the
preservation of 10 units where the focus on renewing and extending expiring affordability restrictions specifically on the Silver Lake homes which expire in 2027. Uh 30 23 Evergreen Street which expired in 2034 and Kingston Pines which
also expire in 2034. Uh through these 30 units uh that would put you roughly um at 0.6% 6% net growth for the subsidized housing inventory which is slightly above the.3 to.5 growth per year that
EOHLC likes to see. Um and I will mention that uh the new numbers for the hi were released last week. Um Kingston was below 5% the 5% threshold before that and now you're just over at 5.18%
I think now. So, making progress on on that, but you you want to make sure you preserve what you currently have so you don't fall further behind than you need to. >> Very well done. That was amazing. >> Um, >> so for context, the housing production
plan is something that the uh state wants towns to put together. And you set goals the the way Jason just described that you're trying to hit. And if you hit those goals, it helps to um with some control over if and when a 40B is
approved in your community. So those are what what's called safe harbor targets. So when you say um 10 more units and preserve what we have that's 20 new and the 10 >> and some falling off over the next five
years. Once this plan goes to the state, they review that and they approve it. It certifies that the town's done its due diligence and has set up a realistic um plan to build more housing, which is so it not only talks to us about what our
needs are, but it also helps us to try to manage the type of housing that comes to town. And so it's it's a good thing for the community to do this plan and to keep it current. What's what I find interesting is the clash between keep the character of the
town and provide smaller units. Well, the only way to provide smaller units is to put smaller lots because we know what land is worth you. So, if a lot goes for sale and it's $300,000, you're not going to put a twobedroom or onebedroom house
on it because of the lot is too valuable for that. So, how do you deal with that? You break it into smaller lots. you have different zoning for that and then that ends up clashing with keeping the character of the town. So a lot of these
things I find very challenging um with a town like Kingston who really wants to keep its character once but also at the same time you see that people want to have their kids be able to stay here. They want their parents to be able to maybe downsize but
there's nothing to downsize to. So, I think that in my mind, the only thing you can do is town houses or condos, and that's about the only way to do it to um meet both of those goals.
>> Well, there are other strategies um sort of considering for for Kingston. It didn't make So, I just um submitted another housing production plan that I just wrapped up um for the town of Abington um for review. So, that's going through the process. Um I had looked at this strategy for Abington. it wasn't
going to work, but I think it could work potentially for the town of Kingston, and that's 40 Y zoning. Um, potentially. Um, are you familiar with 40 Y? >> Uh, no. There's too many 40s for me to be keep up with that the state >> exactly 40B, 40R, 40. >> Most of them are things that the state
has kind of jammed down our throat. So, the when it starts with 40, we have a bad taste. >> Fair enough. >> But go ahead with your 40. >> People generally tend to like 40. Why? Because they're a smart growth. Uh, starter home. Sorry. Starter home zoning districts. So,
>> there's no minimum sort of acreage that you need for a starter home uh zoning district. It could be as little as 1 acre. It could be as large as 20 acres for for example. Um the only requirement is that it's zoned for four units per acre. They're single family homes um
under 1,800 square ft. And so if there is a place in town that would support uh sort of the development of smaller what we think of as starter homes. Um the name is somewhat confusing because they're smaller homes designed for young
professionals and sort of like your first home but also provide opportunities for seniors who have larger homes looking to downsize into a smaller um home um opportunity. uh which would because of the residential density, not the size density, but the
residential density of a uh a starter home zoning district, allows you to pack more single family homes in a smaller area um which would allow you to sort of provide more housing opportunities for people uh without sort of changing the
overall character of the neighborhood. Um others would be maybe um converting larger single family homes into two families. Um so it looks and the retain it retains sort of the look of a single family home on the outside but inside it
might be two family for example. Um, so there there's ways to sort of satisfy both, but you have to be really sort of uh strategic and sort of uh know the unintended consequences of of these sort of um changes because you don't want to
make sure you're zoning for something for it to be affordable and then have uh them be unaffordable and unattainable. Well, the only thing we've done in that regard so far has probably been the um
the um help me >> the apartments. >> No, I'm I'm thinking about smaller lots preserving land. >> Oh, like uh Elm Street >> Rodeos. >> Rodeos. >> Yeah, the rodeos. And the thing with that that people don't mind is that you
end up with a smaller lot, but you preserve land. >> Mhm. >> I think that, you know, the hard thing about this town is people there's very whatever land is left. I I can't see anybody in this town wanting it to be packed. You use the word packed.
>> That that's not a good word around here. with smaller homes. It's it's really a difficult thing to satisfy people because so many more people want the town to stay the way it is and then there's other people that would love to downsize to stay here but they don't
want the town to change and I don't know how you do both of those things. >> Yeah. And I mean that's largely up to me to try to figure out I guess how to solve that puzzle. Um but I will say that which is why I sort of set an attainable goal of 30 new sort of unit
but the the focus I think over the next five years is really around preservation um of the the expiring units um as well as sort of uh maybe looking at upgrading and updating some of the housing authority units particularly if they're
older um and needs uh maintenance and and and repairs. there. Uh, so I'll be looking at that portfolio as well. >> Thank you. Anybody else besides me? 11. >> No, I was just thinking the the world is changing dramatically and it's and I think about Mr. Gudabon's like his his
building for instance, the food truck coming in and wanting to live above. I mean, people are, you know, the younger generation is they're they're thinking completely different as opposed to having a, you know, full-size home. we got to maintain the yard and the the
body of the home and all these things and you get so I I think that it's it's got to be something that's on the horizon for us to be looking at for sure because yeah, like Tommy said, you have so many things that you're trying to maintain in this town, but we have to be real realistic and see that there needs
to be opportunities like that for people to live differently. And if that means live and work from a certain spot, I there's almost a beauty in that. Well, I mean, um, the idea of maybe having
full-size homes in in a looser, uh, uh, rule structure about allowing you to work on your own property might be might solve a lot of this problem. So, where you have um, a home like you or I have
>> y >> and we're allowed to do different things than we are now. so that you're not trying to lease a property and maintain your house, but you can do both at once. That to me sounds like something that Kingston could handle. >> Yeah. But that's just me.
>> I agree. >> Anybody else? >> Yeah. >> I mean, I look at like the the older neighborhoods that have like third of an acre lots. Those are great neighborhoods. We're never going to see those built anymore. you know, everything's in I've lived in an acre uh
uh acre property, whatever neighborhood, and I've lived in a, you know, a third of an acre. And I would say it's a much better environment in the third of an acre uh neighborhood for kids. You know, when you get into these acre properties, no one let their kids out of the house
because it's too far where like in my own my neighborhood I grew up in, um all the kids just ran around the neighborhood and had a great time with each other, you know. It's too bad we can't change the zoning to to be more friendly
to smaller lots and smaller houses, you know, but I guess maybe that will never happen. >> Anybody else? Do you have any words of wisdom, Bob? >> If only. No. uh cluster housing and stuff like that
from which I was familiar with when I was in living in the Midwest. Uh there were some great great townhouse arrangements and stuff like that. Uh offering, you know, two and a half bedrooms and uh uh twocar garages all
tied into them in in relatively modest size. >> But as you get farther down the road, bigger doesn't necessarily make better. My god, there's just, you know, you you don't need 2,000 square feet per person.
>> No, but that's what we all want. >> I know. I had that and I didn't like it. It's too much to take care of, too expensive, too much to heat. >> Yeah. >> I prefer a smaller home with a big unheated garage. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. >> Anybody else? >> And Lord help you if you lose your keys or your shoes in a big house. you spend all day looking for them. >> Well, I just want to thank Jason and also um say that we're creating a page
on the planning department website where people can um see the draft and and learn more about um further outreach. The the planet process is going to go on through um the early part of the spring of next
year. >> Yeah. the the project wraps up by the end of June 2026. >> Yeah. And we're going to get the plan up to the state before that to get some comments if any. Um so this is sort of an outreach to um you
know if people have questions to um encourage them to contact Jason directly. He's he's our primary consultant on this or email me and I can forward the questions to Jason. So this is just the beginning of the process, not the end. and we just wanted to reach
out, let everybody know that we're doing this work and that we received these grants and again thank the housing trust and this board is actually paying a little bit of the match as well to the grant. But uh we're lucky to have that grant from uh uh the executive office of
housing and livable communities or what Jason lovingly referred to as ELOC. Jason, I thought this is very uh awesome, but one thing we didn't mention that I forgot to mention was ADUs. That's one thing we've done. >> Yep. >> In this town that has worked out
wonderful. I'm not really confident that it's going to work out as well in the future. I think the state really blew it on this one >> because we had ADUs where which were um um >> Huh. >> Special permit, right?
>> Special permit dwelling units. Mhm. >> added to a house, owner occupied. >> The reason why it has worked so well in this town is because it's owner occupied. >> So, if you live in one of the units, whether it's the 900 foot unit or the or
the main house, >> you have a say on who's there and how things go and all that, >> the state steps in, puts in ADUs, doesn't have to be owner occupied. I think this is a big mistake and I I I hope that they the state never goes
backwards and corrects anything. So, but I think this is going to create a huge problem for all these towns where we're going to have uh landlords, there's a different word for them, um
slum lords, come into these towns and just add these units onto properties, which gives you the units you want, but they're it's just not a workable thing. What we had going was a was a wonderful thing.
It kept families together. It allowed someone to add a a dwelling unit, rent it to a non-family unit, a non family member. All of it was working out well. It was solving a lot of these problems with smaller dwelling units for uh for
younger people and uh um older older couples and older people. And now the state comes and jams this down our throat. And I think it's the worst thing that could have happened. Well, ADUs will be part of some of the strategies around
you know uh so for example thinking forward um something I like to use in like housing production plans are uh sort of design guide books for ADUs um so that you don't have to spend all of the money up front sort of having them designed like what could it look like to
have a catalog of already designed ADUs um plans that could be permitted um quickly um to sort of take a lot of the necessary the the f financing off the front end because ADUs although I are a tool in the toolbox is not the tool for
the toolbox and I think the state has much more of a optimistic view of ADUs sort of relieving the housing crisis than what it might end up doing um because they're expensive. Uh it costs around $250,000 I think to build an ADU
in most um communities in the OCPC region which is out of reach. you have to take out a second mortgage in some cases in order to to pay for that. Um, so if we can make them easier, quicker, and more financially feasible to build, we'll we will see some some additional uh
>> Okay. Well, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> Very well done. I'm going to study this a little closer. That one's going home. >> Yeah, that's a good one. >> It is >> really good one. It's really
interesting. Very interesting. >> Okay. Uh Mr. Chair Jason, >> um town planner report presentation out of order. >> I wonder if if um now that uh we were we as a favor to Mr. uh Dan Broo, scheduled
him last so that he could attend a different meeting and then come here. >> What is this for? >> That would be the um appointment number four. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> Would we consider taking that out of order? >> Absolutely. Let's do it. >> Good service. Thank you. >> We don't have to vote. I'll I'll make
the executive decision on that one. >> Thank you very much. You need to shuffle for me, but I >> Anybody opposed to me making that decision? >> Okay. >> So, I I guess I could open it up. Um, we have uh that this is the Ring Road Solar
Project that we've um heard about. It's constructed. It's it's been approved as a site plan. The last time we saw um the group was in January of this year and we're back with a very small modification to the existing site plans
where I actually forgot to bring them up because they're full-size plans. So, I apologize, but um you had the the smaller scale plans in your packets that we emailed out. And basically what we're doing is we're taking the gaps from where the cranberry bogs were going to
be fenced. Um and that's where the arrays are. They're inside the cranberry box. Um, and then the idea behind the original site plan was that we would fence everything except for the outer edges of the deep water and that that would work with their cranberry growing
operations. Uh but going through the review process with the conservation commission and further conversations with the electrical inspectors, uh we've come up with a new plan which takes the the fencing where you approved it
already, but then adds fencing to close off those gaps. And so the request before you is two parts. The first part being the fencing. And Mr. Gambrioso is here to um to present that. And also Ian
Ward, who's the cranberry growing consultant that's been representing the the solar array throughout the process, is here virtually to talk to any questions you might have about it. >> And who is that? >> Ian Ward. >> That's Ian up there.
>> Yeah, >> Ian. Ian's waving. Okay, cool. >> And and what's your name, sir? >> Rob Damroso. >> Okay. So, before you we we open the floor up, I I I don't think Bob's very familiar with this. >> No. We have we had an application what
two two three years ago for uh cranberry bogs with solar uh arrays on the cranberry bogs the cranberry bogs to remain harvestable. So um I'll give you like a as quick of an update as I can. We were told that
all the wires and all the anything u um dangerous would be 10 ft off the ground. didn't turn out to be because the the supports were 10 feet off the ground. Then in between the wires do this. So turns out the supports are 10 feet
off the ground, but the wires aren't. In addition to that, this project went forward. You're supposed to have all the f all the footings uh inspected by the building inspector. You're supposed to have all the wiring uh piping uh underground piping inspected by the
electrical inspector. None of this none of these inspections were ever done except for maybe the town of Plimpmpton who did some on a limited basis because it's been split between Plimpmpton and Kingston. So, we're they've been in a hold. There's investors that I'm sure
are not happy. Um um there's the town of Kingston that's not happy, the town of Pmpton that's not happy, there's just a whole bunch of unhappy people and so we're trying to come to some kind of resolution. Am I right? >> You're absolutely right. >> Right. So, we're trying to come to some
kind of resolution. So, tonight is about um um instead of partial fencing, fencing around the whole of the two properties or maybe just one two, but we'll find out on that as we go forward.
And um a bond >> to do the work. I just want to follow up that we have um had a gap in our building commissioner um position and so in the interimm I've been working with the solar company and we've all agreed
to have a meeting when our new interimm building commissioner steps in and we're all going to talk through the inspections because they um they did have engineers inspecting throughout the process. The communication fell apart between the town and the developing
group. So, it's not that there were no inspections done. It's just not uh in the expectation uh that we would normally have the process happen in in the town of Kingston. So, hopefully we can reach some agreement on that and
we're working on that meeting now. And I just wanted to emphasize that um we believe there were inspections by their private consultants and that um we can bring this to some closure. But with that, I turn it back over to Rob.
Okay, thank you chairman Bashard and thank you Miss Bassard for kind of setting the stage here. So yeah, this project we're trying to clean up some uh odds and ends here and one of which is was discussed here is uh the nature of the fencing. So again, the um just to
summarize, the town Kingston and Plimpmpton both, you know, kind of made similar comments or requests that the array be fenced. Um you know, for for code or safety reasons, which occurred and then kind of upon further review, um I think the conservation commission uh
had requested that it be fully fenced. Um and then kind of a ancillary question came up. All right. Well, you know, this is a dual-use project. it's agriculture and clean energy. Uh, you know, are you still going to be able to farm it uh with the full fencing? So, again, the
plan that you have before you looks like at least maybe someone has a full-size copy. I I did deliver um is to complete the fencing. So, as you can see on the plan, there's some small green uh small
in green or maybe we can put it on the screen. um you know that show where the existing small gaps will be filled uh so that we have a complete kind of perimeter fence here. Um that's also going to have some agricultural benefits which uh Mr. Ward can speak to in terms
of um keeping deer out which is important to the quality of the crop and and food safety. So Ian can give you chapter and verse on that. I I guess what I would say is um you know the addition of the fencing was a minor modification to the initial decision.
This is even more minor than that. This is just truly just filling a couple gaps in the fencing. So again, we'd hope that the board would see fit to approve um closing off the fence which was again the town's request. We're happy to do it. U but we are here to you know kind of respect the process and try to clean
up uh our act on a couple of fronts and this is one of them. So happy to answer any questions, but it's uh relatively straightforward, I think. Thank you. >> All right. So, I have a question for the board. Does the board consider this a minor uh very minor modification just
continuing the fence around the project? >> I mean, it was a site plan anyway. >> So, there's so concerns about the electrical is that >> there's concerns about that, but there's concerns with the with the Well, there's a bunch of things. There's the deer.
I mean, the state recently had told bar owners that that they can't get a permit to shoot the deer as a nuisance because they don't eat cranberries. >> Okay. >> Until someone shot one and found seven pounds of cranberries in the >> I was going to say Mr. Ward will give
you the he'll speak >> seven pounds of cranberries in the belly. So, um, we know that the cranberries, um, especially people who hunt deer, like myself and Jonathan here, they eat cranberries whenever they
can, especially when they get nice and red. And, um, so you got you got that, you got the um, you got the safety issue from the planning board's perspective. There's a bunch of different angles to this, but I think it's the best way to go. So, how would
>> kids skidding on bogs and hanging from wires? Can you picture that one? >> Well, I can. >> We were we were told that the wires would be out of reach, >> right? But they're not. >> And then I mean, how is the deer any like every bog in town doesn't have a fence around it? So,
>> no. No. They're And the cranberries are getting eaten. So, this will help with the cranberry situation. >> All right. Okay. >> It's a real problem. The deer are a real problem, I think. >> And it will help with the safety situation. >> Yeah. May maybe could we let Mr. Ward give you two minutes about
>> All right. Go ahead, Mr. Ward. >> Yes. Thank you, Rob. And and the the chairman is is right. I mean, there the deer are an increasing issue on the bogs. Um and >> excuse me. Is it Will or Ward? >> Ward. Yeah, >> Ward.
>> Ian, can you speak up a little bit? >> Sounds like it says will. >> Yeah. Hope. Can you hear me? All right. Now, >> gotcha. Go ahead. >> Okay. All right. Great. So, so yes, cranberry deer are eating cranberries. There's no question about that. They're also doing some damage on the to
puncturing the the the berries and when they defecate on the bogs, that's also an issue when you're trying to fresh harvest because the turds can look like trying to not be graphic, but they can look like cranberries. So, there's a there's an awful lot of emphasis being put on um on food quality, food safety
concerns now. And as a result of that, you'll probably be seeing more fences as the Department of A is perhaps is looking into cost sharing for fencing and growers are are looking to to incorporating that. So, this is going to
help uh our our our harvests um in a in a good way to having that be uh fully fenced is is an advantage. >> Great. I think it's a great idea. So, you're saying we're going to see cranberry rig rows across southeastern
Mass to fence their entire properties? I >> it it's not I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's something that that that that where growers depending upon the type of berries are growing and what their activities are. It's it's less important, I would say, for for a food
safety concern when you're water harvesting versus when you're dry harvesting. But I' I'd say yeah, you're going to see more and more of it. Um there's a lot of folks in Wisconsin that have gone this way. Um and you can do it in in a way that doesn't interfere the
operation, but as as more we were just talking about development, right? As there's increased development, uh the deer are smart. They're hanging out closer to houses, and if you're in 500 ft of houses, you know, they're they're they're they can't be targeted. So, um, yeah, it's it is something that we're
just trying to adopt, uh, with the times and the Cape Codor Association is is looking into ways just like this. Um, are there ways that are perhaps more humane in some ways that um, uh, as deer the deer there's an aging deer hunting
population as well? So, we're just trying to change with the times. >> Thank you. Yep. So, so again, that's, you know, I don't think there's really any downside uh from the I'd hope from town's perspective, it's safety for the town.
It's uh improves the agricultural practices for the grower. Um and again, I guess also from my client, the solar company's perspective, you know, allows us to clean up some of the loose ends here on this project. As you noted, there's a couple others pending here. Uh one of which was actually part of the
agenda here, the decommissioning bond. Uh town council just gave us some comments on what we presented uh very recently. So we're going to work to get something that's satisfactory. We did agree to increase the amount of the bond substantially to account for the delay between when this project is approved and now to kind of account for
inflation. Um so again, we're working on that as well, but really tonight the focus is uh the ask is to let us complete that fencing around the whole enchilada. >> And and if I may, Mr. that we're looking at this as two separate votes. Um we
would like to take action on the request to post the decommissioning. I think we've come to a place where it's an agreement with a bond. Correct. >> Yes. Agreement with Yes. >> Um we don't have the final language but
we can we can motion that as a secondary motion. First we want to vote on the site plan. move on the site plan with the fences. I mean, the decommissioning bond is is very common now with windmills and with solar arrays because
when they become of age, people just walk away from them. And so now there's there needs to be a bond in place for when these things become of age and they're useless, the the entities don't just walk away from them and leave them for towns or whoever else to take care
of. and um or leases that are leasing the property, who whatever it is, it protects everybody involved. So, that's what the decommissioning bond is. But first, if we could have a motion to um approve the uh continuation of fencing
around all the bogs, that would be wonderful. We'll do that in two different pieces. Um, I'll make a motion um to approve the revised fence for the minor modification to the site plan. >> Excellent. Do we have a second?
>> Second. Second, Bob. Okay. So um minor modification site plan continue the fencing around which I think protects the bar owners with the deer to protect protects the towns from uh and and kids from playing on the bogs
and all that. I think it's self-explanatory. Any comments about we have a motion on the table. We have a second. Any further comments, questions, concerns? I mean, when we approved this, you know, part of it was that the bug was still going to be, you know, available for people to
walk their dogs and stuff, and now this is all changing. This will be the last one I approve of these things. >> It's been a moving target from day one. They keep changing it and changing it. >> It's It's a new It's kind of a new thing. So, I agree with you. I am not I'm not real happy with it. >> Yeah.
>> But as far as walking dogs is private property. >> Yeah. And and in our area, people have seemed to think that they own all these bogs and they walk their dogs, they walk, they do everything they want to do. They skate. They get mad at the bog owners if they sand their bogs because
they can't skate anymore. >> For some reason, people around here think they own the bogs in his private property. >> I lived on a blog with the Mias. I never saw that. >> No. So, >> but I mean, this is what happens. People think they own it. >> It's real. >> It's real is right. I know. I'm friendly
with bog owners. So anyway, um yeah, it is I I don't like them either, so I'm with you on that. >> Y >> but um on the motion um to approve fencing around uh these box for safety and for other
reasons, all those in favor say I. >> I opposed. >> No. Yep. >> Opposed is David. Abstensions says none. So that's uh 310. >> Okay. And then uh as of because the
board uh hasn't been meeting as frequently with the um slow down because of the water moratorum, I wanted to um take time to actually go ahead and ask the board to move to enter into the
agreement subject to the final language from town council. uh for approach as part of the agreement and the agreement and then as that is finalized we could ask you to come by and get signatures rather than having to have another
meeting. >> Anybody fine with that? >> Yes. >> So So we're talking about the >> just finalizing the negotiation between the lawyers. >> Yeah. So >> once that's done, we could just sign it, but we could vote on it tonight. >> Yeah.
>> Subject two. And you don't have to sign it if you're not happy with it. >> Right. So that would be So the motion, if someone chose to make it, would be to approve the bond language and enter into the agreement subject to town council's approval.
>> Uh I'll make the motion um exactly as Valerie has just stated. >> So moved. Right. So moved. >> Do we have a second on that? >> Second. >> Seconded by David. Uh any further discussion on that or
questions? >> Hearing none, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed. Extensions. >> 4 0. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Thanks for your time.
>> Thank you, Ian Ward. Thank you. >> Thank you all. >> Definitely sold the bill of goods on that one, huh? Jesus. Okay. Uh, town plan report. That'll be you, Val.
>> Thank you. I'm gonna be brief. Um, wanted to give everybody good news that Navajo Landing subdivision, which is >> I have microphone. Can't hear me. Can you hear me now? Okay. Um,
>> you you're very softspoken, Val. >> That's true. >> Yeah. So, you got to be close to the mic because you're you have this sweet lovely voice. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> So, uh, briefly, Naval Landing Subdivision. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Is u paved. So, we had some um you know, they they were building those last houses and during some of these amazing storms that we've had where we've had like hundred-year storm every other day for for parts of last summer, we had
some issues with the uh drainage basin being at the bottom of the hill on that road. uh we were able to come up with um some tweaks to the design and also to the um it turned out they had started out with the basin being smaller than designed which was one problem and then
there was some other issues and then it turned out that there was some drainage coming in off of the main road, not the subdivision road which was contributing more water than was supposed to be going to the design. So they've managed to get it to the point where the last huge
rainstorm we had there were no issues. So we're also really excited about that because that's been really challenging. >> That's been a big deal. A lot of people weren't really tuned into it but >> I've had conversations with Val about it. So originally was designed to be this big and it was made this big small
and it was supposed to be which was one problem and then the other problem was water coming off of Elm Street. >> Yep. And so, um, and we, another thing I wanted to let the board know, uh, the public know is that we
received a grant for the Adena from, uh, coastal resiliency program and we received a grant from the coastal resiliency program for some improvements to storm water on Rocky Nook, um, through the conservation department. So, we're excited to start working on um
design options at the Adena to look at the harbor master's office and where it should be located and whether or not the pier that's there for the landing can handle additional weight if the if the parking lot is paved. You know, lots of little detailed questions and sea level
rise so that we get the right design that'll last a long time um down the road. So, we're really thrilled to have gotten that grant funding. >> Yeah. Can I just butt in for one minute? So, some people might or might may or may not have noticed that the Idena,
which is the River Street, has been was improved, parking lot, brought up, the ramp, improved, which left the drive on the way down in in the in the original um jetty at the lower level and the
property where the H master shack is. That's what Val is referring to, raising everything up. And originally, I know there was a lot of people that wanted plans to move the building back against the hill. That's that's not feasible for
most people involved. But anyway, that's what this is all about. >> Yeah. And it'll give us the opportunity to look at all those options, and that's what the grant funding is for before we go into full design, which we'll seek funding for for that as
well. Um, and uh I think we got I wanted to say there was one more grant, but I can't remember what it is. So, I'm going to start now talking about the hazard mitigation plan update. >> Um, I have a brief PowerPoint just to keep me on track in terms of what I'm
talking about. We're we're doing the update and hopefully I can manip manipulate this screen to There we go. I just want to go over the process timing and next steps.
So the um the hazard mitigation plan has a mission statement that was adopted in 2022 and goals that were adopted in 2022 and the the group has uh decided to keep
that the same in terms of you know the the idea is protecting Kingston from hazards that happen by trying to mitigate through design um ways to make those less of a problem when they
happen. So what do I mean by hazard? Uh we have these ranked in 2022 as flash flooding from storms, um heavy rain, climate change, um shoreline change from sea level rise, coastal flooding,
uh dam failure and norers that bring ice and power outages and things like that. There are others all the way down to like landslides and earthquakes, but obviously those don't happen very often. So, the plan addresses those in a way
that helps us figure out, well, what could we do if any of those things happen to make our response to it quicker, cheaper, easier, easier on the residents and we have to update it every couple of years. Um I think it's so it's every 5
years that FEMA requires it be updated and it helps us with our um qualification for FEMA funding as well as the insurance um reduction that our all of our residents get because we have an approved plan. Uh this year uh we
were in line to get a grant to do this until the Doge cuts eliminated the program that we were going to get the grant from. So, we're doing it in house um through the uh town planner. Um and it's mostly a mapping update exercise
and then going back through the risks to see what's changed since 2020 uh 20, the last time we did this. And uh it it's a long process. It's iterative and there's going to be a lot more community outreach this time around because that's
the emphasis uh that the state and the federal government want to see this time around with the update. Uh we're going to we did pay old County Planning Council uh stipend a small amount of money to help us with the survey and
that's out now. Uh there's hard copy at the library, hard copy at the Council on Aging, and then there's QR codes for everybody, which I'll pull up on my last screen. Uh and it's also on the town's website, and we're just hoping that people will take a few minutes to fill
that out, give us some input on how they feel about these u problems and issues that face the town. We have a committee that's uh pretty standard that is unchanged from previous years. We're using Mr. Basler is our
outl at large person because he's been around for a lot of these storms. Um, and Eversource is on our board as well. And Old County Planning Council is going to participate remotely when they're available to do so for these meetings.
Our our timeline has started. We're doing some initial outreach now. We're going through the process of reviewing what we call critical facilities, which includes something like a hospital, a school, a fire station, a cooling station, a cell tower, that kind of
thing. And just making sure we have it current. You know, Eversource has done a lot of improvements to their substation, for example. So, there's some changes, but not a lot. Um, in January through March, we're going to go through all that information at the technical level,
that committee I just mentioned. Um and then April through September, we're going to do a lot of heavier public outreach in terms of engaging with uh the Red Cross and other groups to just talk about responses to emergencies and
ideas of what we can do and and then we use this plan for funding. And then at once we're to the point where we're going to have it pretty much done and in draft form for everyone to review, it'll be posted for public comment and shared with our neighboring
communities and then it goes through the state and federal government for final review and approval. So it's going to take into 2027 to go through that whole process. And this is the QR code. Um if anyone's at home and wants to scan that really
quick and take the survey. I'm all two viewers could tune right in and do that. Um, and we have a web page that we're we're still working on improving, but uh we do have a l landing page on the planning
department's website for the update. And I don't know if there's any questions. >> What do you have any questions? >> No. Thank you for the information. >> Okay. >> I didn't know you were working on all that. >> Yeah. keep ourselves busy.
>> Thank you. >> Thanks. Um and then I uh while you've got me. >> Yeah. >> The last item here is uh letter of support >> and I I prepared a draft letter of support. All of you have this in your
packet at the end. Um and it's a it's a broad letter. We've been working with Matt Dyer at the Old Colony Planning Council and for years the town has talked about trying to extend the trail that runs along the
waterfront in Plymouth that recently got more gaps filled in that now you can go all the way from pretty much the um cordage all the way to downtown on this rail trail. It's really neat and the idea of extending the rail trail up and
along in the rail rightway through town is something that we've been talking about with Old Colony Planning Council as well as uh neighboring communities. So, Old Colony Planning Council's been reaching out to um these different communities and we just wanted to draft
a letter of support that the Old Colony Planning Council can carry in their pocket. they've reached out to NPA and the idea here is that it's been done in other communities. Why not here? Uh we have some inuse and and not inuse rail
beds that could be contributing towards this this rail trail link that we'd like to explore with MBTA and with our neighboring communities. And also it there's uh the way that that trail could travel could bring you to Kingston's downtown, could connect you with the
mall. So it could really in in times in the future be a a really cool access trail for people to get around and you know do different things. So that's that's what this letter is. It's just a general support for that exploration
process and uh would help the um old county planning council with its outreach to the various other towns other agencies. I think it's amazing. If you go down to Plymouth and you see what how many people walk that trail? >> Oh, I walk it all the time. My wife goes down. You go down there.
>> I absolutely love it. Such a great idea. >> It's amazing. If we can connect that to different places, be amazing. >> Go right through Mark's property would be wonderful. >> Yep. >> Um, you got the road right next to those residential apartments that >> we can get right through all those
properties. And uh, you shaking your head over there. >> Okay. It would be really nice. And uh to to make that longer and and better would be awesome. >> Oh, it' be fantastic. >> If can we vote for a letter of support?
And if we vote for that, then I'll sign this. >> Is that Does anybody have a motion for that? >> Yeah. >> To support the letter. >> I just had it for a second. Uh I'll make a motion uh to for the letter of support
for the regional uh rail trail connectivity efforts. >> We'll second that. >> Moved and second. Any further discussion? Anybody hate the idea? Well, that's good. Um all those in favor say I.
>> I. I. Opposed. Abstensions is 40. >> And and I know it's close to kickoff. I had one more uh announcement I wanted to make because I'm thinking of Monday Night Football and people that want to tune in to that. Um but the uh the other
thing that we got word on just tonight um at about 4:30 or 5:00 p.m. We got noticed that all of our efforts to put the exit uh not exit 20 itself, but the adjacent intersection by big Y um the
Route 3A and 53 intersection has made it into the tip for hopefully, you know, moving forward long-term planning to make that into what we hope would be a roundabout. >> Nice. >> So, um we're really excited about that.
Um we just got the word from the state today and um we're we're working with our consultant to see if we can take those next steps and do some outreach and we've asked the state to uh try to help us continue with the funding for
exit 20 and uh we'll continue to work on that. I don't think I have any other updates right now. So thank you. >> Thank you Val for all your hard work. Thank you Paula because you're amazing. Um,
>> so pleasant all the time. >> Chairman, if I could. >> Yes. >> Um, I just want to say um before we close the meeting that um this town is very very blessed to have Valerie and all the hard work that she does and the grants that she works on and that the
grants that this town are getting and it's and it's tireless and it's an effort that she puts in that um I don't think a lot of people realize. So, I just want to say thank you, Val, and and I hope people realize if you are the two people watching,
>> um that uh >> we have a big following. >> Yeah. That you see what Val does for us in this town. And I I I just from my heart want to say thank you. >> Thank you. >> Ditto. >> Thank you very much. I enjoy doing it. I'm a resident, so
>> I'm motivated. >> That's great. I think you would be anyway. Um, >> yeah. >> All right. So, do we have a motion to close the meeting? >> Uh, so move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I say >> I.
>> We're now closed.