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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: SpVHbJ2rpo4):
- 00:05:48: Meeting Call to Order and Housing Production Plan
- 00:06:27: Housing Production Plan Approval and Minutes Review
- 00:09:59: Forest Street Subdivision Plan Public Hearing Begins
- 00:11:42: Applicant Presents Subdivision Plan Details, Changes
- 00:17:12: Public Comment: Abutting Property and Buffer Concerns
- 00:29:25: Public Comment: Subdivision Type Changes and Road Access
- 00:36:28: Public Comment: Drainage Concerns and Road Placement
- 00:45:53: Continuation of the Public Hearing on June 8th
- 00:51:39: Jones River Community Chapel Parking Lot Proposal
- 01:00:20: Public Comment: Neighbor Concerns about Jones Chapel
- 01:14:32: Board Discussion on AA Meetings and Parking Lot
- 01:25:52: Public Comment: Fear of Unfinished Parking Lot
- 01:32:05: Vote on Jones Chapel Site Plan and Adjournment


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microphone. >> Mhm. >> And yeah, now you know. And uh phone phones silence cuz mine mine just went off. >> All right, we're going to go ahead and open the meeting May 11th, 2026.

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And uh we'll start with a roll call. >> Alexander Graham present. >> David Gavagan, >> John Bashad, >> Jonathan Barnett, >> Bob Kar. >> We have a full board tonight and uh we will be ready to go. Um

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okay, so our first order of business is a public hearing. Oh, now you're going to go first. >> Yeah, only because the public hearing starts in five minutes. >> That's five minutes. We got five minutes. >> I can do it.

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>> Um, so that you've been asked to uh support and approve the housing production plan that was presented to you two weeks ago by the Old Colony Planning Council. There's been no changes from public comment. So, um, you know, the housing production plan by way

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of context is required by the state. It's part of the uh a very formulated plan that has to be done every couple of years in order to qualify for uh safe harbor with 40 be uh projects that might

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come to town. So, we do a housing production plan that looks at affordable housing needs and housing needs in general and lines up um the math in terms of how many units we would need to produce on an annual basis for safe

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harbor. And um it does a really nice job of delving into all the demographics and the history of the housing in the town. So, if there's no questions, I'd just be asking for you to support a letter from the chairman recommending this to the

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selectman and approving it for the state to review. >> Okay, cool. All right. Well, we still have a couple minutes. So, why don't we to the minutes of April 13th? >> Do you want to take action on my request? >> Oh. Oh, that was a request.

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>> Yeah. >> I thought you just doing an update. >> Oh, no. This is asking you to vote to approve it. Send Send a letter. >> Sorry, I obviously wasn't listening. >> Well, I wasn't very clear, obviously. >> Shame on me. I'll hear this tomorrow. >> Okay. [laughter]

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I I'll make a motion to approve the uh housing production plan as presented. >> I'll second. Okay. Moved and seconded. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Extensions. Unanimous.

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>> Thank you. All right. Now we have the minutes. >> Okay. >> Minutes of April 13, 2026. It looks like everybody was present except for myself. Um, I'll make a motion to approve the

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minutes of April 13, 2026 as presented. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Extensions. I abstain. Got one minute to go already.

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dance. >> People wonder why we have hearings that we do tonight. It's not the case, but we'll do 7:05, 7:06, 7:10. We do them all. And obviously, they're not going to take a minute, but if someone cancels and you span them

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out, you got to wait a half an hour. So, you have to just jam in there. And then people come and they wait and they get angry. But >> and if anyone was tuning in to see the um continuation of the hotel site that they asked to be put on the next meeting

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which will be June 8th. [snorts] >> I think we made it. >> All right. Seeing that it's about 7:05, we'll go ahead and uh read the notice, Alex, if you have it. The Kingston Planning Board will hold a public hearing on Monday, May 11th, 2026

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at 7:05 p.m. at the Kingston Townhouse, 26 Evergreen Street, Kingston, Massachusetts, in room 200 on the petition of Beth A. Hines Family Trust for approval of a special permit and subdivision plan per the Town of Kingston zoning bylaw section 5 table of

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uses and section 7.5 residential development encouraging open space and the town of Kingston subdivision rules and regulations in order to construct a five lot subdivision with open space on land at 31 Forest Street Kingston Plymouth County Massachusetts and is

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shown on the designated Kingston Assessor's map 87-41- -7 owned by petitioner and 82-7 owned by Kevin E. Hines Family Trust in a residential 40 and residential 80 districts. A copy of

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the application and plans are available for inspection at the town clerk's office, 26 Evergreen Street, Kingston. The petitioner or his or her representative and any person interested or wishing to comment on the proposal should appear at the time and place designated.

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>> Thank you, Alex. Is that on? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, thank you for the record. Scott Faren with Grady Consulting representing the applicant. Uh, what we have here is a definitive subdivision plan. Um, the proposal is for six lots.

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Um, one of which has a developed house on it. So, it'll be essentially five new single family houses. Uh, the the property there's there's two lots here. There's one in the front which is part of an existing subdivision and then there's this vacant land in the

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back which is this much larger parcel of land. Um in total they they're they come up to about 10 acres of land. Um the the property is actually split by a couple of zones. So it's it's in the R uh 40 and the R80 zoning districts. So um

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you'll see the configuration of a lot. Some are have a minimum of 40,000 square ft. Some have a minimum of 80,000 square ft. Um pretty modest subdivision in a in a residential um neighborhood. So there will be a new uh minor road that comes

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in and meanders a little bit along here. I'm just going to turn the page. >> And you're presenting slightly different plans than were originally filed, correct? >> Yes. So that um just in case people were I know some people had come in the plans

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are a little bit different. There's um the lots are slightly different shape than the original filing that came in and there's no open space at the end. So it's a it's a uh definitive subdivision plan.

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>> Yeah, that's that's correct. So, the initial proposal was for what they call a residential um overlay, I forget, a residential development um district. Um but [clears throat] town council app that the Rabbath Road did not count for

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frontage, which was one of the requirements. So, uh we've since changed it to a definitive subdivision. Um [clears throat] back back to the road here. So, uh there's a little bit of um topography change from the from the road um up on the parcel. it it goes up and

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it goes down. Um, so our our goal as engineers is always to to kind of balance the site. We don't want to have a ton of uh cut coming out. You want don't want to be bringing in a ton of fill. Um, so the design of the of the roadway is is to really balance that site. Um, there will be a public water

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which will be tapping off of forestry. Um, and then always the the kind of biggest point of the picture here is the drainage. Um you know when we look at we evaluate these these projects we always look at how the existing storm water

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runoff is. We look to see which direction the the storm water flow is going. Um we we model up the um the volumes and the rate of flow. Um and then we come up with a plan to to mitigate um you know the the increase in in runoff due to due to the structures

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in the roadway etc. Um so we have a a basin out back here. We have another catch bas another um basin in this location. Um storm water is captured overland on the uh the roadway and it gets collected

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through a couple of some catch basins and those catch basins direct the flow um into those infiltration basins and that's where the water infiltrates into the ground. Um so again we look at in our model we um we are ensuring that

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there's no increase in in uh runoff going to any any abuing properties. Um we understand that this project has been peer reviewed. The peer review came in last week. Um we we don't intend to to close this hearing tonight. We intend

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to continue. Um so we're really here tonight just to give a brief overview of the project and to take in any any input from the public. Okay. Um before we um continue, um yes, this is a different plan that was originally applied for. Um so we're

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going to give the residents some times maybe to meet with the whoever is going to develop this, I don't know, answer questions and all that along the way. Also, I'd just like to make a statement that um

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the board uh the planning board doesn't vote on what we like or dislike. We vote on what is legal and what meets our subdivision control, our rules and rags, and our and our zoning bylaws. So, that's what um that's how we vote on

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these things. It's not whether we like it or not. I've had to vote on many things I didn't like, you know, and and vice versa. So, I just want to let you know that it's not a matter of who we know or what we like. It's just a matter of um did the applicant come in with

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something that meets all the rules that we have in the town of Kingston. Okay. Uh board members, questions, questions before we open up to the public. I'm going to open up to the board once if no one has any questions right away. We'll

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open it up to the public. And if you uh want to speak uh we ask you to come up to the mic um give us your name and address and then you can go forward. Anybody want anybody want to wait until public or you want to speak ask questions now?

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>> No, I'm fine. Public is fine. >> Okay. >> I agree. >> Does anybody want to uh speak to this from the public? You can ask questions through the through the board to this gentleman. You can ask questions

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um to the board. You can ask whatever you want. >> Uh Mike Piso, uh 394 Street, you know. So, we are the property that's to the uh uh north of uh where the road is there. So the road is facing our backyard would

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be just to our west and then to the south would be the full woods which now of course go for for pretty significant direction. Uh the uh the question I have I don't know if there's any change. Uh we there was a 50 foot uh buffer between our property

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and the start of the new properties. Is that still within the plans? I don't know who would know that or if it's >> you want to speak into the microphone. Sure. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, >> yes. So, so that the 50ft buffer that was a a requirement for the RDEOS type

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of subdivision and with this here, this is definitive subdivision. Um, so that that 50ft parcel of land which was going to be open space all the way around it, that is not a part of this proposal. >> The 50 foot that was going to be around is not parked. >> Correct. >> So, the lots would go right up to to to

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the our property on 39 Forest. >> Yes. So with the the width of the roadway is what the layout is what we have that

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sheet It's a 40 foot layout. >> Okay. And the pavement will be what? >> Uh 22 ft with um with one foot. So, the pavement takes up 22 feet of 40

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ft. Uh, which might not answer your question, but the buffer is gone because >> well, no, the buffer behind the house on the on the south side of the house. >> Yeah. So, >> in between. So, our property line on the south and then where the the road is to

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the west. >> Mhm. The development is to our south right in in the woods behind the house. So there is there was a 50-ft buffer. >> Yeah. So so there was a there was a 50-ft buffer of land and that land was going to be part of the open space.

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>> So that 50ft land is not there but there will still be a naturally vegetated buffer that will remain and and this this um this pink line here is what denotes that limit clearing. So there is still there is still a buffer between your property.

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as much as it I mean because 50 feet is not a lot and you know we would you know only what we would expect really with a development like this is that we would at least get something that would help maintain the current tree exposure that we have now because we're losing it essentially on both sides. You know

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we've got wide open view to our west, wide open view to our south. That's what the property was purchased as. That's how it was developed. So it's a fairly significant change to not have any buffer you know. So whatever developed we understand the development we you know but we just

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would expect that on the road side on the south on the >> south facing side I'm getting right east >> east is where the development is south is where the new road is pro you know facing our backyard so we face east in

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the backyard roads over here woods are over here so we would like to just at least see a pretty significant buffer between the start of the development and you know our where our property line is because even with the the houses will sit up high so it'll be a direct view

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right down into our property because of the weight of the road with this little we know you're not going to take out significant amount of dirt to do that so it would have to sit up there so we would lock that in even along the road because obviously we don't have a road there now we're going to have a road

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there it'll go right behind you know my sheds >> uh to have some sort of a buffer built in there as well. Whether it's shrubbery, I don't something to be determined, but probably something tall shrub or something like that to protect. You

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know, our property does uh we would still have some woods in there. You know, we could get that staked out as well just to make sure, you know, that when that developer comes in that no unnecessary trees are taken down. you know, we really want to respect that natural vegetation, natural wildlife,

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you know, that we have uh within that property that exists now. >> So, Scott, when when you say there's a buffer, what where is there a buffer? Are you talking about the the building envelope? >> No. So, so this this here is

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>> is the one clearing this this pink line? >> It's not it's not pink on our maps. So >> different page. >> Yeah. >> Oh, she is probably the best sheet to view for this. >> Oh, I see it now.

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>> That shows all the grading the houses. Yeah. >> So that's a no cut area. >> It's It's not marked as a no- cut area. That's what we're That's what we're showing as the limit of clearing on this plan. system here.

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>> Yes. >> It looks a little less. It looks looks to to meander between 30 and 50. >> 30 point. >> So, so what are you saying the pink pink line represents? >> So, the the pink line is is it's the the

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silt sock which is the erosion control for the project and it's also uh indicates the limit of clearing. So there'll be there'll be no clearing outside of that line. >> Okay. >> I just know how this works. Someone buys a house, they don't even pay attention

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to what's in the in the paperwork. They just go ahead and cut. And you know, I don't know how [clears throat] that works. But I mean, if we were able to, you know, purchase that portion, so then at least it could be staked off via some sort of,

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you know, survey. So then if it does get cut down, it'd be considered our property, you know. So there's a little bit then the likelihood would be less. So you know, and of course that that's that's probably all those are all the questions I have.

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So, is this pink line only going to be on a plan or is it going to be marked out on the site? >> Yeah. So, so prior prior to construction, um, we're going to be required to to stake both, you know, the roadway, the limit of clearing. It's

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it's it's uh, you know, common practice to have that. Um, and and contractors know that that they they're not allowed to go beyond that. that that doesn't present prevent the homeowner the future homeowner from >> I know. >> Okay. I'm just making

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>> Yeah, >> that's I guess that's my question. Is is it officially a no cut zone or is it just >> It is not suggestion. >> It's not officially no cut zone. That's what we're proposing for the limit for the limited clearing.

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So, the home on a construction cut right up to the property line >> is what you're saying a >> after the fact. Not not I mean not a part of this this subdivision. Um you know and if if the board would like to condition some some type of width of a buffer to to put in the conditions of

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approval. We're not opposed to that. >> It looks like >> I would like something because I don't know I I think I'm correct that the one mostly affected by this is that property right there. Other

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other than that, there's no other one that poses the same situation. Is that correct? >> I would agree with that. Yes. >> So, we could get something more substantial than that written into the the deed of that lot. That would be wonderful.

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>> I'm not opposed to that. Y >> Okay. >> That lot that [clears throat] lot has shows has 87,000 square feet plus or minus. Yes. >> Yes. >> What would it take to turn around indeed

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a certain buffer zone to the budding uh 39 in order to asssure that a homeowner coming in subsequent to the construction being completed didn't get his chainsaw out and have have his way.

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>> The problem is that that lot is in our 80 so it needs to have 80,000 square ft. That's why it's the biggest lot in there. >> Is that correct? >> Yeah, that's that's correct. So, I was I was saying before that this this parcel of land here, it's actually partially in

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that R40 district where the minimum lot requirement is 40,000 ft² and then partially in that R80 district where the minimum is 80,000 ft. That lot that you're referring to that needs 80,000 ft. >> So, that's that's why that one's 80,000 square feet. I mean, you could do that

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for 7,000 square feet, but I think we can do the same thing in the de in the in the deed for that lot legally, right? Well, >> I I think it's it's um there's always that

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better uh to ask for forgiveness later scenario. So, it might be if there's a way to [clears throat] strip out enough around [snorts] the house to create a buffer, it might be worth exploring rather than just putting it in

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the deed. >> Okay. >> But, but stay within the 80,000. You mean still? Well, you'd still have an 80,000 square foot lot, but you have 7,000, you know, that you can kind of work with to maybe come up with land

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that could be um set aside and deeded to the neighbor because it is wooded now to leave it in its natural state. And I I I can't I can't make that decision for myself to to force our client to sell a part a piece of land, but um right,

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>> you know, I'll suggest that that he discuss it with the neighbor and come up with come up with with a plan to either either sell a piece of land or to write it in [clears throat] as a condition. >> Um >> and and if and if it is as a condition, we you know, we we could treat it similar to to how conservation does

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their buffers where we could we could stake some permanent markers saying no clearing beyond here. Okay. >> Right. Because you know what happens in these situations is uh that lot in front you know you you have woods behind you. You clear up to your

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lot line generally. So now you've you've left no buffer because you you assume that it's going to be developed. So now we're trying to get some kind of a buffer on the new lot. So, that's something that you can discuss and there's a couple different scenarios

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suggested. You can maybe work it out, talk to the neighbors, you talk to the owner. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> So, do um >> you have 57,000 ft here.

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>> Yeah. The grade is significant. >> Anybody else wants to speak? You you ready to go? Okay. >> Hi. Uh Steve Caralt. I'm at 55 Forest. I'm kind of I'm off the map on the other side of 39, same side of the street. I

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just want to get a better understanding of the differences in the two subdivisions that we're talking about. Um, and [clears throat] why? Um, and how does that impact the changes that were that were made? Why? I think

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you said the changes were made as a result of that subdivision change. Can you explain that? >> Yeah. >> Yep. Certainly. Um, so the first proposal that that we submitted, um, there's provisions within within the Kingston bylaws for for various types of

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subdivisions, and one of them is is an RDEOS type of subdivision. Um, where if if the property meets certain requirements, then the applicant can deed a portion of the land to open space or conservation or something to that effect. [clears throat] and in in exchange um the the board will allow

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them to go with reduced lot sizes. Um in this situation there there was a a paper road to the north up here called Rabbath Road. Um but after town council reviewed it they determined that that is not considered a public road. So it no longer met the requirements for that

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RDOS subdivision which is why the project changed to a conventional subdivision. And then with the conventional subdivision, we're required to meet um the full requirements uh for the zone. And that's what I was talking before about the R80 and the R40 where

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so now these lots are are required to have a minimum lot area of 40,000 square ft and some 80,000 square ft. Whereas before I I believe they were ranging somewhere between 30 and 40,000 ft. >> Yes. with the our what we call rodeos.

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Um those um require more frontage on a on a accepted way >> and they were using part of the ex the the the way over here and part of the way on the road in the back which is not an accepted way. So they couldn't come

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up with the frontage they needed in order to create that type of subdivision. So their only alternative was was a more conventional subdivision which is what is before us now. And the whole idea of the rodeos as we call it

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was that you can have I mean the simple way to explain it because if you're confused and you never heard of it before tonight the simple way to explain it would be if you have a 40 acre piece of land instead of you know let's make it real simple. Instead of building 40

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houses on 40 acres, you build 40 houses on 20 acres and you save 20 acres for out for for uh uh wildlife and open space that remains open space forever. And you also cut down on the num the the

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footage of road the town ends up owning or taking care of at a later time or or whoever. It's just it eliminates the the amount of pavement and so all those things work together. We've got a bunch of those in the town now. It's just that

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this application didn't work for them. So that's why it has gone to this. Hopefully that explains it. >> So just to be clear there there won't be any access to the to Rabbath Road from these lots. >> That's correct.

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And that's been determined by another entity within the town or >> Well, what was determined was was by town council was was that um was that the applicant cannot use the frontage for Rabbi Road to qualify for the rodeo

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subdivision. >> Rabbi Road isn't isn't considered a way in the town. So, it's not something that um is laid out properly. It's a car path on private property.

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>> So, um it's not a a public way or something that the town would um look to have improved. It's not laid out. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, [clears throat] it runs right behind my house. >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Oh, were you out on on the corner?

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>> Uh yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. Well, if you look at the way this is set up, it all these lots will be established with homes on them. There'll be no way to get to Rabbit Road that I can see.

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>> From these homes, >> what's that? >> From these homes, you mean? >> Um, no, no way that we'll be able to go through. The access to Rabbath is on um Pond View which [clears throat] which

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which is kind of runs kind of runs this way and meets Forest Street. It's Pond View right here. Say this is Pond View. Rather goes right into Pond View and you access you access from there. >> Are you referring to vehicular access to

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the lots? >> Yes. Well, yeah. Yeah. Vehicular access to the lots. That that's what I was wondering. So here's here's kind of the big picture. So this is rather road here. So all these properties will be accessed from forest street to this this new road. And because because of the grading it's not it's not possible for

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them to access their houses from >> is this the new plans or the old plans? >> These are the new plans. >> The new plans. >> Yes. But I would have to say if if the these if these lots are but Rabbath Road, you couldn't stop someone from

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going from their lot onto Rabbath Road because anybody my opinion right Val, isn't it true that anybody can use Rabbath Road right now? >> I believe people who have rights in this part of the cart path, those aren't those haven't been vacated. So yes, >> you're just asking if somebody that in

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one of these houses wanted to >> use that as their road. Oh, well that would be pretty silly, but [clears throat] it's I've driven down it. >> Oh, I know. It's not a great >> No one wants that for their driveway.

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>> Our building commissioner drove down there because he wanted to see what Rabbath World was like was like and he drove down there in a in an all-wheel drive vehicle. And all of a sudden, this the car stopped moving.

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And the only way for him to do to look at it was he's in a huge puddle was to get out. When he got out and looked underneath the the car was sitting on a mound. None of the wheels are touching anything.

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>> So I think that's kind of >> We like it that way. That way there's >> I absolutely >> that's a true story. He had to get towed. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> right, Paula. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> Boy, we relate to him. Good. Oh, >> and he had new shoes on. >> Yes, he ruined his new shoes. >> That's what you get for using Rabbath Road. >> Um, Sydney Pell, I live at 23 Forest.

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So, um, I have a question about the drainage. I'm not sure which, um, schematic is the best one to look at for that. >> I think that one's the best. >> This one's the best. Okay. So, um I'm at 23. So, I'm next to the Hind's lot one.

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>> Okay. >> So, my question is when we first well when we first moved into our house um during bad rainstorms, the hill would literally blow down and into our pool. And we did a lot of um excavating and

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cleaning up and putistns in to make sure that didn't happen again. However, we were not anticipating that there would be some building behind there. And I noticed that I know it's not it's abuing the property that ab butts us, but that property flows down to our property. And

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I noticed that along that edge, I talked to Valerie about it today. Along that edge, it's um the gradient is so that it flows away from this development. Mhm. >> And I was hoping that there would be some way to make sure that the water

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doesn't flow down toward my house and it actually flows into the um drainage basin that's here. You know what I mean? Because this it starts to go from like 92 to 87 whatever. So that the water could

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potentially flow this way. So I didn't be done in some fashion to >> Yeah. make that better. >> Yep. Val Val did did speak to me about this earlier. Um, so I guess before I address that question, just want to reiterate. So when we when we do these

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analyses, we we look to see what the volume of the runoff of of of storm water is existing and then when we when we do our proposal, we have to either meet that same number and most likely typically we we reduce it. So it it will be a reduced flow going off um in in

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that direction. You are correct. There is still some flow because there is some flow existing. Sure. >> Um >> the runoff from the buildings is directed toward is directed toward this new road which is collected by the catch basins. Um if your concern is about the yard, uh we we could add a we could add a swale in the yard there which would

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direct it to to that basin. >> Can you move the microphone close to her? >> Some of these gradients coming this way. See, it goes goes 92 94 94 92. Then it starts to come down >> and I'm just concerned about the water coming down

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>> this way because I I know this property here >> the drainage comes down into our property. >> Yeah. >> Just because of the because we're down in >> So we could add we could add a we could add a swale along this edge and and further direct it into that basin. >> Okay, that would be great.

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>> Sure. Um, and then while I'm down here, um, [laughter] so here, so this road here, >> um, >> is it going to be dirt road during the building? Do we know or are we is that >> they put down a they put down a base course initially? They don't, you know, they don't do the top the top pavement

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until the end, >> but they do they do a base course um, you know, for construction vehicles for for any type of dust mitigation. >> Um, >> okay. So that'll be that's was my concern was dust or debris or whatever coming in down here.

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>> Yeah. And and this is this is what I was referring to earlier with these silt socks. So these silt socks, they they prevent they prevent um any any type of erosion and runoff on off off the the development here. >> Um also, you know, if it's if it's really dry and there's any type of dust

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kicking up, they they have provisions where they'll spray it to to mitigate that. um the catch basins both in the street and in this new development, they put these um like a silt sack underneath it so that way it's not filling up that catch basin. So, there's quite a few provisions and they're all laid out in what's called an operations and

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maintenance um manual and there's a manual for during construction and post construction uh that the contractor is required to follow. >> Okay, that's all. >> Okay, that was it. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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Kathleen vote. I live at 32 Forest Street, so I'm directly across from Kevin and Beth. And my question relates to the new road. Um, and I haven't seen this updated plan. So, and the other side of the street is

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not shown. So, I'd really like to understand where the road is going and is it going to be directly across from my driveway. >> I'm sorry. the mic. >> Yeah. Try to use the mic so that people at home can hear.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so it looks like this is your property line. I'm just going to take this with me. Looks like this is your property line right here. And I believe your driveway. Oh, this is actually this right here. This is your driveway entrance. You see these two lines? So, that is your driveway entrance. >> So, so the road is directly across from

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my drive. >> It is. Yes. >> Yeah. That doesn't bring me joy. >> No joy at all. >> Yeah. You know, we we always do our best. We always do our best to accommodate

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>> trees. No, it's kind of late. >> Yeah, we we do our best to to accommodate as as best we can. And in this situation, um that really is the only location for the driveway, unfortunately. >> For the road, you mean >> for the road?

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>> The Thank you. For the roadway. >> Is there going to be a sidewalk? >> Yes, there is. >> Is there a requirement for a 40B? >> What do you mean by that? In this development, will one of these lots houses be?

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>> Yeah. >> No. >> No, >> it won't because it's only five lots. >> Only five. >> Thank you. >> It's not a 40B. It's affordable affordable housing unit. Yeah, I

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understand what you're saying though. Answer is no. Um, and just just to just to clarify, so a 40 a 40B is a it's a state it's a state uh program where you're allowed to to basically circumvent the the zoning

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requirements for the town, in which case you're able to have higher density in this area, whether it be apartments or or smaller lots and and more more of them. And that's not what this project is proposing. This is absolutely not a 40B. This is a conventional subdivision which is which is allowed by the Kingston um zoning bylaw. If this was a

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40B, there'd be 30 living units on it. Good lord, the state, they they I can't say what I want to say. >> They have before and I got yelled at >> when I when I look at this and and understanding that there's are there

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houses directly across from the street or just the driveway specifically? because I'm just looking at whether you might be able to talk with those neighbors about um headlight screening plantings or something like that. >> Okay. It's kind of hard to do when you

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if you It is hard to do because you'd have to do the screening on >> on their property >> on your property and some people don't want screening in their front yard. >> Well, right. But it might be worth >> it could be short screening something that just to break the headlights a bit.

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You know what I mean? That's my answer. >> Of course, where the driveway is, you can't do anything. But, you know, if someone comes out and turns, you can have something on each side that would break those lights as they turn, but it's it's a difficult

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problem. >> Yeah. And we we can we can add the abuing the abuing houses onto this plan, too, with with this next revision, so you can get a better feel for how the roadway will lay out in proximity to your house. >> That would be great. >> Yeah. And then if if screening on your

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property is something that you would like, I can certainly speak to the applicant and see if that's something that that they're willing to do. Anybody else? >> Board members have any additional questions? Um, so we don't have a report back yet

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on our um >> these plans came in last week and um we distributed them to all the department heads to get comment and um so what we're we don't have any comments back because it's just we just distributed

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the plans. We did get peer review comments back from um Pat Brennan uh but we don't have anyone else's comments back. So what we what we've asked is if we could continue this to June 8th >> because we don't have a meeting for

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Memorial Day holiday. Um and that way we would have all the comments and that would give uh the uh applicant an opportunity to talk with um the the engineer and also an opportunity to you know consider what what kinds of options

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they have in terms of some of the discussion tonight. >> Okay. So what what Val's referring to and what I was referring to is is a peer review. The applicant has to pay for another engineer to look at the plans

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um as an from an engineering viewpoint. We're not engineers. Um and and make sure that it meets all the requirements of the town of Kingston. And um so that's that's another engineer, not their engineer, another

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one independent works on behalf of the town, paid for by the applicant. And so we're waiting for that to come back and then we'll have more answers at our next at our next hearing. >> Everybody understand? >> Is it possible to send the plans to all

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the meeting? We can put them online if you if you email. >> They're large. Um if you wanted to um send an email to me in the planning

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office if somebody's interested, I can email the plans to you. Um >> so I'd need your email address. Um my contact information is right on the planning department's website. So if anybody wants that, you can

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contact Val and she can get that information to you. Um, anybody else want to speak to this tonight? You will we will be continuing this hearing. So if other things come up between now and our next hearing, we

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will allow you to speak and ask more questions at that time and we will go forward. So maybe what we will do is um have a motion to continue. >> I I have one. >> You have to go up to the mic just so that people because there are people

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probably in your neighborhood that are watching from home. We have a very large viewing audience here. You know, >> my other my other question >> this is reality TV right here. My original >> my other question relates to the access

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coming into the neighborhood relative to country club way and I think everybody is pretty much aware you talk about Rabbi Road not being not being stable. >> Oh sometimes you get that confused with any of

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>> Exactly. And so I I want to understand the implications for Country Club Way as well and getting through the rest of the neighborhood. >> Well, I mean I think most of the people >> I know that most of the people in in the

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neighborhood probably know that we as a town did bring uh the owner to court to have him finish the roads. Um we won in court. It was appealed and challenged in court and we won again. nothing has been

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done. So, we're going to court again to try to get some kind of enforcement so that we can get this uh done. And this has been going on, as you know, forever. I told uh the original um developer that

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if he didn't get them done at some point that people would buy houses, their kids would be raised there, they go to college, and start their own families, and they still the road still wouldn't be done. And I I was right. That's actually what happened. [clears throat] So, it's disgusting, but we're working

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on it. And uh >> yeah, our motion, >> you know what the courts are like. >> We filed again recently with the court over the weekend. And so, they have 13 days to respond to us and you know, we keep making motions and we keep working on it, but we need a cooperative

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developer. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> It's like the Gong Show. >> Yeah. Not a not a slippery one. >> Yeah. So anyway, um that's where we're at. So do what about a motion to continue? We have

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>> to June 8th at 7 p.m. >> June 8th at 7 p.m. >> So move. >> So you won't have to wait this until 7:05. [laughter] >> I second that motion. >> Moved by Jonathan, second by Alex. Uh

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all those in favor say I. >> I. I oppose abstensions. It is continued >> to set a >> Thank you. >> Thank you to the public and thank you. I know it's emotional, but neighbors,

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thank you for being decent and wonderful. >> Okay, moving on to our reality TV show. Um, we have Reverend uh Joe Hbert

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Restoration Community Church. >> That might be what it used to be called. We don't know. >> That was the best one. >> This is what we have was the Baptist Church, Restoration Church. That's what we have on file. >> Jones River Community Chapel.

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>> Jones River. I thought I knew it didn't sound right. >> Okay. >> Jones River Community Chapel. I got to write it so I remember. >> Okay. Welcome.

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>> Thank you. Um, so we came last year um to with an idea of trying to create some regular parking space. In the past, people parked on the lawn in the grass. Uh so we did clear out some older area of the property. Um Mr. Webbby uh from Webby Engineering created a drawing.

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I'll let him speak to that on actually formalizing a proper parking spot and making it with reprocessed asphalt. Let you Joe Webbby Webbby Engineering on the little horse.

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So what we uh currently we have a curve cut coming off of Main Street and one also off of center street and we did not want to change that uh that route. Uh but we did arrange so that we can have

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32 parking spaces um in the these areas that will be marked. And uh the other thing that we've done is created a a detention basin right in this area that we can get direct all the water in this

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area to to that. Uh right now there's a burm at center street that does not allow the street water to come in. Um so we we're we're basically containing our own own water uh surface water and

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basically that's that's it. D. >> Yeah, I'm we don't have the drainage calcs, so we didn't peer review this yet, but it meets all the, you know, your design specs in terms of the size of the of the aisles, the size of the

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parking spaces, and the uh dimensional standards in your off- streetet parking regulations. Um, you have my staff report from last year when this first came up and also a landscaping plan that

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um I stuck into your packets that we received this evening. Um, does do you have this the audience? >> Okay. All right. And uh so basically the bylaw requires that there's a buffer strip uh

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that's planted along Central Street and so you have a copy of that landscaping plan there. Um I'll have to review that. So like I said we we received it at the meeting tonight uh to make sure it's consistent with the zoning bylaw and the

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requirements. Um, so we would need the the drainage calcs in order to do the review and a and a filing fee to pay for that review. So far, we've treated this with kid gloves. This was done with without

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any notice to the town. Uh, some initial work was done about a year ago on the property and we have been patiently waiting for the plans. >> Um, and Yeah, >> we don't have any funds

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from the applicant to do a review. Um, we are familiar with Webby Engineering and so it would be a I think your call if you wanted to um we're just trying to keep this um as low

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cost for the applicant as we can so that the parking lot does get constructed and that the um proper plantings are placed Okay. >> Um, if I may say a quick thing, um,

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we're a church of like 20 25 people. We're doing our best to keep this historical building in proper shape. Um, in the past, people kind of parked on the grass, so we cleared off some of the overgrowth, uh, smaller trees and such. We weren't doing anything to undermine

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or undercut anybody. We just we didn't know that we should have asked permission to cut small trees down. Um so the last year we've been working with two different engineering companies to try to do something right. Um Webbby came in and at the last minute was the hero and kind of came up with a drawing

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for us that we thought would meet specifications. So that's kind of where we're at right now. Sir, >> he's a lot of people's hero. >> Yes, he is. Especially ours. >> And uh Okay. Well, maybe we can put it

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out to uh any of the people on our list if they're interested in helping out with us. >> Okay. >> You know, y >> um >> you know, these engineers make so much money, they need a write off. So, >> we'll do. Yeah, maybe we can put that

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out there to see if there's anybody interested in just doing a quick peer review and and uh helping out with the situation and then uh then we'll have >> any questions.

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>> Yeah, just hold on. I'm doing with the board first and it's not a hearing and not a public hearing, but we will allow uh you to ask some questions. Yes. Anybody else have any questions about this? Um yeah, I do. Uh

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is any kind of fill going to be brought in to um level out the this part of the lot, the parking area? >> Like right now it's just kind of muddy uh dirt. >> Sure. >> This this basically puddle in there low spot.

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>> Yeah. >> Oh yeah. No, that's all going to be straightened out with reprocessed. >> Reprocessed. Okay. Is there any going to be anything put in there to kind of delineate the spaces or just going to be kind of a free-for-all like uh going to be any kind of posts

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with like markers on them >> or uh nothing like that? >> We hadn't planned on that, sir. We were trying to kind of keep it to its historic look. So, we weren't planning on putting any markers or lines or anything like that. >> We'll need tomorrow. >> Well, eventually you could get some stops. What do you call those?

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>> The wheel stops. Curb stops. >> Wheel stops, you know, down the road. Yep. >> You know, and um >> yeah, >> that will that'll help out the whole cause. >> I've seen people put like a you know, a cheap fence in with markers on it kind

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of it's hard, you know, obviously and in the winter presents another problem with the plowing and and all that kind of stuff. Um I don't know what else. Um are we need to to demarcate some of

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these to be u ADA accessible? >> We had talked about that as a church and we right now on the drawing you'll see this area here is the cobblestone that where we were kind of mocking as our ADA parking. We do that on Sundays and Mondays right now but if that's not

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sufficient we can mock out additional spots as well. >> I just need to make that clear. Then is there going to be anything uh right at right at like center street where the park meets center street to kind of keep the if there's any going to be any kind of

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dirt to get on the road >> going to be reprocessed >> can be reprocess so it's going to be better >> presently there's a pro there's a asphalt u burm right there. Uh so we were going to continue on with a reprocessed asphalt beyond that point. Okay. >> Um right now it's kind of tough because

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we were haven't been able to do much. So that mud does travel out into the road. So, we need to fix that pretty quick. >> So, we talking like the stuff they used to use down at the ball fields >> like that kind of reprocessed stuff. >> Um, basically >> basically what it is is u when they take

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uh roadways and they grind it out. >> Yeah. They grind it up. >> Yeah. >> That stuff binds together. It really makes >> Yeah. When we get the sun gets on it, makes a makes good driveway your area there, right? >> Yeah. The tailings. Yeah. It's >> amazing. >> Good stuff.

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>> Okay. Anybody else? No questions. >> My turn. >> Your turn. Go ahead up to the mic. >> Roseanne Pratt, 10 Center Street, 52year resident of that place. Before I start, I'm going to be warning

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you. I'm going to be using some phrases. And the first one is the church can do anything. I've heard this from three building inspectors, the board of health, the P police and fire department. This project has been years

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in the making. They started this project 8 years ago and look at it now. We're still not done. I can tell you tales of crypt of what's been going on with this project. Remember the phrase, I know a guy?

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That's what this project has been about. I do realize they are have limited funds, but so don't I. I'm living on a limited fund. I got a couple of questions. Will there be a designated entrance and

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exit from this parking lot like they have with the congregational church and the Unitarian Church and the Catholic Church? Can you answer me that who will monitor the this fence is right on the line my line

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wherever that is? Um is there a zoning law or is this another church can do anything >> a fence >> who will maintain this fa fence? >> A fence can go on the property or right up to this is right next to the property line. So there there will be they'll put

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the fence in and right on the line. >> They're showing it off the line slightly. >> Okay. All right. That will there be lighting? Are they planning to put utility poles up there so that light can shine into my

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property? >> You're not. Is that correct, Joe? >> You're not plann Okay. Just to be on the record. >> Hold on. >> Hold on. All right. So, we'll keep we'll let you keep going. We'll write the questions down then we'll ask them so

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they can be in front of the mic >> because I want it on the record. So, in in the future the church grows um and they decide to put lighting there. >> Go with lighting. if they ever desire

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lighting that it will be allowed to put lighting, but it has to stay on the property. There's dark sky laws. There's all kinds of things about uh rules for lighting now compared to the way it used to be. >> Okay. >> So, but anyway, any more questions?

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>> I'm not done yet. >> That's [laughter] why I asked you more. >> I won't miss seeing the parking lot sand blow across Center Street onto the road. I won't miss the ducks swimming in the puddles.

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I'm tired of contacting the police about the parking on Center Street. I won't miss the thought of an accident on Main Street because people don't use the crosswalk that was made especially for

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this church. I'm tired of people asking me, "What about the mess next door to your yard, Roseanne?" I feel like I'm that lady that used to go before the the selectman and complain about the wind turbine.

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Remember that lady? And where is the wind turbine now? I'll leave you with this earworm from Joanie Mitchell's song, The Big Yellow Taxi. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got till it's

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gone? They pave paradise and put up a parking lot. >> I wish you sang that. It would have been better. >> Um >> um Susan Sherman, 215 Main Street.

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Well, much of the neighbors are delighted that we are here tonight to review the site plan and um which sadly it's been a year looking like that and I've just shown you and you know that because I know you

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all drive or walk by. Um >> that's why we're here to make improvements, right? We need and that's why I'm so delighted. I am delighted. Good. >> But it begs the question, doesn't it, Mr. Chairman? Is this going to be a

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year? Is it going to be two years? I mean, when is it going to be done? And is there any security or that it will be done in a certain amount

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of time? We know that they don't have a lot of wherewithal to do this. We also know why we're doing this. It's not for the 20 members. Um I just want to have some something on record on how long it's going to take

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because we've been living like this for a long time and I don't think that you want it nor do I. Um, the other thing is unfortunately the record speaks for themselves. I mean, we know what we've

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all gone through. Is this an existing tree? I want to know. >> Those are all new. >> They're all existing. >> They're all new. >> That's what I thought. So, that is the existing. >> Please use the mic.

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>> I'm sorry. That tree right there will go right here. >> So this So these four are new. >> There'll be one, two, three. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um I don't know what woolly

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grass is. Bull grass. We'll be peer reviewing this. They say we just got it. >> And I'm very concerned about this. processed >> asphalt.

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>> So, we're not looking at gravel, which Oh, beautiful sunset. We're not looking at gravel, which is um like a 2 in or a 1 in or a piece stone or anything like that? >> No, >> we're looking at

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>> reprocessed asphalt. >> Is that what Center Street is? >> No. It's like the ball fields, right? >> Like the ball fields. It binds back together. It's, you know, when they have the big grinder that goes down the road and grinds down the road. That's the

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stuff they use. And when the sun hits it and it gets rolled with a roller and it compacts, it all binds back together. It's like a parking lot. >> But it's still >> it doesn't move around like stone. >> It's still permeable. >> And it still pours. >> Water can still go through it.

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Um, I mean, I think that's a shame that we're turning that into gravel into reprocessed asphalt. >> Yes. >> I think that um, you know, it it's it's

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a shame. It's an antique church and I think it's a shame on that level. >> But you don't like the puddle either. Believe me, I don't like not only the puddle, but the sand and the taking down of the trees. I mean, I don't know. This

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was a bad situation, but >> we're trying to make it better. Well, they are. >> I know, but do we have a time frame? [clears throat] >> No. >> I have I have one question. You

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indicated that uh this is not about the church and you made a reference to something unspecified. Could you specify what you think that the uh this is all about? >> Be glad to. I think the church from what I see next

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door has maybe six cars on Sunday. They have 120 parking between the Beal House, Shepherd's Funeral Home and um Mayflower. Not all of Mayflower,

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but some of Mayflower Congregational Church, Center Street, and all in behind there that's made that issue. Well, it doesn't have their parking. >> Excuse me. >> Yeah. >> Not their parking, right?

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>> Who's parking? >> You You said there's parking at Beiel House. >> Yes. For this AA group that comes in every Monday night, and that's 120 people in that antique church. And that's what they're doing this for. I don't

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I mean, there's never ever been a problem with the parking at the Baptist church. because they they came and they parked on the side of the road or whatever on Sunday. They were very they were they

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were very concerned about what they were doing. This is a different element totally. >> Do you know whether or not the Beal House or uh Shephardds has any objection to their using the parking? >> I do not know. Like I said, I called the police and the

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fire department, well, just the police department many times. Started about eight years ago. I don't know why I have to say that they were parking on both sides of the street on Center Street. You could not get an emergency vehicle

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down there. I have called the police numerous time. The microphone needs to be turned on. >> Oh, it says green. >> Okay. All right. Did you hear me about that? About me calling the police numerous. >> Yes. Well, that's why we're doing a

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parking lot. So, they won't not for not for a 100 cars. >> No. >> No, not for 100 cars. Right. >> Right. 30 cars. And like I said, I've lived in on 10 Center Street for 52 years. Never had a

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problem with them parking on Center Street for church services. Never complained. Still don't complain about them parking on uh Main Street on Sunday for the congregational church. It's accepted.

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And they and they >> So what's not acceptable? I'm lost. >> What's not acceptable? Yeah. them parking all over the place. You put I think they put in a crosswalk for people

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to use to cross Main Street. Two people tonight right in the middle of the road going across the street. I don't know if any of you you you Mr. Bashad, you might remember this that um

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Christmas Eve where the elder Yeah. God sent me out there to take care of those poor things >> and they don't use those crosswalks. >> I know, but I mean I don't know what to how we enforce make people use

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crosswalks. I don't know how we do that. >> I don't know how we do it either. >> But but but my question was whether or not >> you have any knowledge whatsoever whether the Beal House or Shepherd Funeral Home >> Yes. Okay. I wish >> and you have to address that. I'll I'll

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address it right now. I went to awake at Shepherds. No crosswalk, so I had to drive my car from Center Street over to Shepherds. I spoke to the gentleman who was running

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the wake and I said to him, "What do you think about the parking on Monday night?" Now, you know, a funeral director, they have a very solemn, their face is very neutral. His face went like

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an evil person was coming out. He had so many complaints about the parking. I said, "Well, why don't you say something?" So, that's that's that one. >> This is for AA is what you're talking about. >> Yeah. Well, whatever they have that Monday night meeting for.

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>> Can I ask the pastor, how many cars do you think are there on on for AA? We do have about 120 people that show up on Monday nights. Okay. We do have agreements with the Bill House and Shepherd's Funeral Home. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um with Shepherd's Funeral Home,

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>> they use our parking as well when they have big events. So, there is an ongoing dialogue. Um to my knowledge in four years I've been pastor of this church, I've never had them come to me and say, "Hey, we have an issue or anything like that." Um when they do have a wake, I believe Mr. Houston when he passed away

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recently, they had a lot of cars coming. Um, so we are in communication. We'll keep our folks out of there. They're welcome to use our places as well. So, we do work together and they haven't voiced to me anyways anybody being upset with those two locations. >> Well, I'm just one member of the board.

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I understand like you you guys live right there. You've been through a lot. I get I get that. But I would rather haveund or 120 people going to AA and using a crosswalk illegally than not going to AA and driving drunk. That's

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just my thought. So I don't know how anybody can be against an AA meeting. >> I I can >> Okay. I >> I will not be against I won't be against an AA meeting either, Chairman. I will not I do not think that this is a

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function hall. But you can't do anything to change that. I'm just I'm just saying that I want it on the record. We're doing this for one reason, and it's for 120 cars, and it's destroying the look of an

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antique church in an antique area. And I I think that's very sad. But I don't I agree with you. I don't know what you can do. I think you need to ask your questions. I I think nobody's going to be in

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disagreement for an AA meeting. It maybe it's the location that's poor, but that's all I wanted to say. >> I I know that a church that I used to attend h housed AA as well. And it it works out because it's a building that

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it's a group of people that have a lot of compassion for people that have the need. and it it helps out financially with the churches as well. So, um yeah, and there's not a lot our board can do about that. I can tell you that right

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now. The best thing we can do is to try to make sure there's some parking on site and it's not a parking lot and the mud and the the puddle and all that. And that's the best we can do. Um and I don't know what else to say, but >> I have a question for you, Pastor. You

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you share the parking lots, correct? >> Yes, sir. Um, so is there an agreement on on the AA nights that they can you can overflow that parkin into the funeral home? >> We have a verbal agreement. In fact, uh, TJ, who was one of the founders of the,

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uh, Jones River Group, the AA group on Monday nights, he's the one that kind of established that. Um, the AA group started during COVID because they didn't have a place to meet and the former pastor Eric was the one that welcomed them in. Uh when I took over about four years ago, uh TJ and I sat down, we went

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over all the logistics of it, the concerns about parking. We got uh with the exception of this bad winter because of the snow. We pretty much get everybody off of Center Street and off of Main Street. You come down Main Street now, there are no cars parked alongside the road on a Monday night. We get them in a parking lot in a parking

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space. So that so that little gravel or dirt connector that connects the two of you, is that going to be part of when you when you do this upgrade? >> The gravel? I'm not sure. >> Is there a little connector between the two parking lots? >> That's Shepherd's and and >> It's not right there. Okay.

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>> No, not No, not between Shepherds and Be House. >> Yeah, that's the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that's two separate things, >> but you have permission to use that. >> Yes, we do. Yes, we do. And TJ, if you could speak to that, do you do you have a agreement? Have you spoke to those folks? TJ's is uh Kingston, grew up in

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Kingston. Uh is also one of the founders of the Jones Group. >> Hi, good evening. Wasn't expecting to be up here. I grew up in Kingston. Was here for about 40 years. No longer here. I'm a resident of Plimpmpton or Plymouth rather. We started this during co as Joe had mentioned. Uh this hasn't been an issue for eight years. We've only been

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there for about five. Um we have agreements with Shepherd's funeral home. There are other a meetings that go over to the Beiel House pretty regularly. We have contact with them. We've also spoken to the neighbors across the street that have given us a blessing to park there if we needed overflow. We have not needed that. Uh Anton Brown

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over at the church next door to us allows us to use the skirt parking there. We did check with the new wellness center that opened up across the street and we let them know that we'd be putting cones out in front of their place and we'd be making an announcement no one's allowed to park there in their parking lot as well.

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We've done everything we can to be good and gracious neighbors and you know for them to be complaining about this taking so long. We could have had this banged out two years ago, but everybody keeps stepping up and complaining about the way we're trying to do this and run this project on the property that they own,

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the church does. Um that we're we're here again a year later, you know, with these plans. These are all coming out of pocket, you know, from from the church, from ourselves. We've asked for private donations within the group itself. Um we've done everything we possibly can to be good [clears throat] neighbors. We've

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tolerated the the harassment that we've gotten during Monday nights. Uh not so much during the winter. It's too cold to come out and complain. But, you know, now that the weather's nice again, here we are. Um we're doing nothing but good things in that building. We're saving

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lives. We're making a huge impact, you know, and the the one downfall of Monday nights tends to be the, you know, the neighbors when they're fired up. We've done everything we possibly can to be good neighbors to accommodate parking. Um and and here we are still trying to

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do everything we can >> count down. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> One more thing. Um >> I It's quite under It's quite unbelievable. I don't know how to go about this. Um I

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was not going to go down to that level. CJ, >> all right. Just don't just say what you're going to say. lost my >> I I'm not I I just this has been an ongoing problem and I think all of you on this board, you probably can't do a

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whole lot, but you have 120 people coming into this building. The steps are not even safe. Go walk through it. They are not even steps. >> Well, that's that's not up to us. >> I know it's not up to you. That's not up to you either. And there's smoking all

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around the building. When this building goes up, I'm going to be looking at all of you because it's a very sad sad thing. And that's all I'm saying, Mr. Chair. >> What do you want us to do? >> I wasn't going to go there, but >> there's nothing we can do about

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>> whether you like it or not. I There's nothing we can do. >> So, the good thing is is that good things are being done to help people change their lives. Go ahead, sir. >> Sure. Uh, Peter Burke, uh, 15 Center Street, directly across the street from

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the Churchill Center, and I've I've been there 25 years now, and I've seen this from the beginning, which it was a little rough in the beginning. You know, they were parking on both sides of Center Street. You know, maybe after a couple of months that was squared away. Um, they stopped parking on both sides.

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Um, I haven't seen twosided parking on Center Street in I don't know 3 years. Um I don't see a problem with them parking on one side of Center Street. It's a street. Any street in

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town, people park on it. It's what I mean any street in town, you can park on one side of the street. I I I really don't have an issue with it. Um, as for the reclaim, uh, off my driveway, I put four parking spaces in. I put six, seven

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inches of reclaim down and then I put Riverstone on top of that. Works great. The reclaim doesn't move. It's solid as a rock and it drains great. I think it's a good product to use. I think it would be good. I'm fine with that. I've seen

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the pictures. It looks good to me. You know, I think it resolves the mud pit that gets over there when it when it rains. I don't care what you do in the church. The church the church should have a parking lot. I mean, every other church

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in town has a parking lot. The universal unitarian, they park across the street at the Beal House, but every other church has a parking lot in town. I I think it's their right to have one. And the last time I was I came up here in the fall and spoke, maybe might have been a year ago. I mean, really, what's

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stopping someone from coming there and just paving the whole thing over with asphalt? I'd rather see, you know, a stone parking lot than asphalt. Uh cuz I look out my front window and I look at it. Um I get Roseanne's

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concern with lighting if that's a problem, but there's a street light on the pole right there. >> There's a street light on the pole. >> No, >> it's not. >> But there's there is. I'm just It's a fact. [clears throat] It's fine. >> Um, I I support the I support the

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church. I support the group. I think it's a good thing. I think as long as the parking is somewhat manageable, if if the funeral home is fine with it, if the Beal House is fine with it, you know, if Mayflower is fine with it, why is it my concern? They're not parking on

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my property. You know, if they decided to park on my side of the street, I can't stop them from parking in front of my house on my side of the street. you know, it's I mean, it's a town street. They will they can do that. Um,

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you know, it's just that's trying to be a good neighbor. Um, and I think they've done a pretty good job. And I know I'm not a uh I do like my neighbors. I do. I think we all need to get along. And I mean, this

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is two hours on a Monday night, you know, is what it comes down to. and I just wanted to give the board my opinion on how I feel about it and I support them. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I just I just want to make it clear I'm

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not against AA. >> Okay. >> I have had family members. I have had other people I know that were very were helped very much by AA

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but the size of this meeting it's too big and I was a nurse or I am a nurse for 50 plus years size does count well okay I can see I can read your eyes you don't want

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>> there's nothing we can do about Yeah. Yeah. I understand that. >> So, we're just kind of spinning on wheels now. >> And I know what you're going to tell me. The church can do anything. And I I I accept the parking lot.

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I accept it. >> Oh, good. >> I just Okay. I'm glad >> I won't say anything more. >> No, I'm glad that you you're happy with the parking lot. [clears throat] >> Thank you. Anybody else?

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>> Have a good night. Mrs. Brad, >> I'll be joining payday before you know it. [snorts] [laughter] >> Adam Adam Sherman 215 main and um I just have a couple of comments on some things that I think you might have control.

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Um, my concern is the plan, you know, might look great and everybody's happy and you they're going to put up a whatever a six or eight foot fence.

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Well, that's what the plan says. We know what happened with Tonsburg. That was on his plan. >> That's a big thing. On a smaller level, um, across Main Street where the Aratas

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used to live, um, the church did had some plans for parking lot in the back there, not this church. And, um, they ended up putting a dumpster basically in these people's backyard. and they fought that to try to get it

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corrected for I don't know if it ever got corrected because they they moved a couple years ago. So in a small thing the plan looked great and um it never the plan never got fulfilled

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was ignored with no repercussions. Well, I know we're still trying with Tonsburg, but um so my concern is that they're short on cash, certainly not against the parking lot. Um when the

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plan's finalized, might be very happy with that. My concern is that the plan doesn't get done. And um I'd like to know what um options the board would have if they don't put

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up that fence. They say, "Well, maybe next year." Um that's my fear. And I, you know, I don't know if you can make a put it within the plan that the fence goes up first, the neighbors protected

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first and then do the work. Um there's a history here of again asking for forgiveness not permission. Um ignorance is bliss when it came to cutting down the trees.

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Uh but that's that's my [clears throat] concern where I think you might have some control. >> Very little protection of you know protecting the natives. I know they're going to get done as soon as they can. >> You approve the sixoot fence and then

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they don't do it. That's the way it is. >> Yeah, >> we can certainly put the fence as the first thing in terms of what we want them to build because uh but the fence itself will be expensive. I I would

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think that [clears throat] the the expense of the fence, we don't want that to keep them from doing the parking lot. So, that's the problem with that cuz the parking lot's important. I think it's important to the neighborhood and I

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think it's important to the church. Know what they're if they do the fence first or after. I don't I don't know. I don't know. Well, what if they don't do the plants? They just >> Well, let me have let you have the

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pastor speak and after you you're done and and and then we'll we'll see what what the plan is and what the timing might be. >> That's all I have for you. Thank you. >> Well, thank you. Thank you.

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>> You want to speak to the timing, sir? I I just I'm going to commit as a pastor of this community that everything on this drawing will be done in a timely fashion. Everything. Whether it be the fence, the gravel, the embment, the

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embank embankment, everything will be done. The moment you give us the go-ahad, we start. You tell us we need to do the fence first, we will do that fence. You tell us we need to do the plantings first, we'll do the plantings. We will follow the direction. The fact

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that we're here a year later isn't because we dragged it out. And Valerie, you can attest to this. We went from engineering company to engineering company and hounded people to say, "Hey, we need to get this done." And Mr. Webbby came in and and and helped us tremendously at the last minute. Um, so

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the the holdup wasn't us. And and a lot of people said a lot of things tonight. My commitment to you guys is that I am going to do whatever I can to continue to make this building to look and feel as historic as it is. It's an important

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piece to this town. I tell my congregation all the time that we're not walking into a building. We're standing on the shoulders of the people who came before us for almost 200 years. This building's been there 150 years. I have no right to come in here and change it

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to make it my needs. I need to make it suitable for the people of this church while representing the historical factor of this town because it is the town seal. The anchor that anchor is on the stained glass in that building. That's where the town seal came from. And that

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rings into my head every time I walk into that building. I'm not here for 20 people on a Sunday or 120 people on a Monday. I'm here to the people of this community. And that means representing and continuing to make sure that this building holds the historical factor.

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One of the reasons why we're going reprocess asphalt because you're right, pavement [clears throat] will take away from the historicalness of this building. I'm trying to do something to make it right. And as far as and I know this is off topic, but as far as AA is concerned, my commitment I made to the neighbors was the moment I stop seeing

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fruit from AA, I'll cut it off. It'll be done. But we're seeing fruit. I'm seeing people's lives change. That's why I'm sticking with it. And this is why I I deal with people being angry at me over it. So, >> well, that's a special thing. >> Yeah, keep doing what you're doing.

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>> Um, let's let's vote on this site plan. Anybody have any problems with the site plan, the fence screening, the uh reprocessed >> and there is no there there's no lighting proposed anyway, right? >> No, sir.

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>> And no need. Okay. Um, anybody have a motion for site plan approval? >> I'll make a motion for site plan approval for restoration community church. Actually, sorry, >> Jones.

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>> Jones >> River >> River Community Chapel. >> Community Chapel. >> Yeah. >> Uh, church. Uh, 211 213 Main Street. >> Sorry. That's right. It's It's moved. Do we have a second?

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>> I'll second it. >> Seconded by David. >> Any further discussion? >> I just want I just want to say it's two hours out of 168 hours a week. Two hours, right? >> It's not that big of a deal. >> Yeah. >> I go by there all the time and I It's

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definitely improved over the last four years. We don't I don't see nearly as many cars on Main Street, you know, which was very dangerous. It seems to be better. I still see cars on Central Street when I walk over there, but it's two hours a week. It's, you know, not even two hours >> and it's a it's a mud puddle right now.

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>> And that's what's what's there is worse. Yeah. So, >> all right. So, we'd be moved and seconded. >> One question about the provision of the uh the peer review. >> Is that that's not a requirement for this approval or anything like that, is it? >> We can make a contingent

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u as long as it's okay with you. >> Sure. >> And okay with you? >> Yes. We'll make it contingent on uh peerreview. Uh looking at >> What if we can't get somebody >> the drainage? Huh? >> What if we can't get somebody to do it? >> Um we'll figure that out. Right. We'll

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figure it out. >> We'll figure it out. We might be able to get the uh highway or somebody. We'll we'll get help somehow. >> Okay. >> We'll we'll we'll work it out >> one way or another >> so we get this thing done. That's okay with you guys. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So that' be contingent on some

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sort of review. >> Got it. >> It's It's not a very extensive parking lot. Any drainage is better than no drainage. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> I oppose extensions. >> It's passed.

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>> AMEN. [applause] >> I appreciate all of you. Thank you. >> You have a good night. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Good work. >> Thanks, Joe. Joe, thank you for being a hero again. >> Joe, I haven't seen you in so long. You got a lock skull. >> Yeah, he's he's back to the hippie.

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>> I love it. >> He's a hippie again. [laughter] >> All right. Anything else? >> Nothing. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to made a motion to adjurnn. Second. Second by Alex.

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>> All those in favor? I I Okay. [clears throat]