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good uh I'm going to call uh the meeting of the Kingston planning board to order on for febu uh Fe Monday February 24th 2025 at 7 17 p.m. okay
I think we're just gonna go right to the public hearing right okay so we have a public hearing want to do roll call oh we G to do roll call yep so let's do roll call Alexander Graham here Dave gavigan Bob gos Jonathan Barn Dave we
have Dave gleon recording in progress Zoom call Dave you see it by name Dave still muted you conf I'm here
okay okay we got we got a we have to read the public notice the Kingston planning board will hold a public hearing February 24th 2025 at 701 1 p.m. at the Kingston townhouse
26 Evergreen Street Kingston Massachusetts in room 200 on the application of Brierwood construction Corp for approval of a modification of the approved subdivision known as Greystone Village and as shown on Plymouth County Registry of Deeds plan
book 65 page 179 modification shown out a plan entitled rde o subdivision modification dated December 31st 2024 and prepared by PMP Consulting Incorporated of East Bridgewater Massachusetts on land owned
by the applicant the changes are limited to a new adding one additional lot the property is located off whopping Road in Kingston Massachusetts formerly number 178 whopping Road and shown on the designated Kingston assessors map 51 lot
53-1 to 53-24 a copy of the application and plans are available for inspection at the town clerk's office 26 Evergreen Street Kingston during regular hours the petitioner or his or her representative
and any person interested or wishing to comment on the proposal should appear at the time and place designated on hey Jen I just joined Zoom I'm hearing everything we're getting some strange feedback on the machine but I'm going to
go ahead my name is Valerie Mard I'm the town planner and uh I want to ask the local scene if they can zoom in on the plan but I think they're having technical difficulties with the Reverb so um this is a an existing subdivision
that's under construction the roads already been put in and it's to binder we've had no issues at all with the construction um to date some of the houses are constructed some of the lots are released and what we've come to
figure out is that um there's a need for one more lot in terms of mathematically the um the subdivision is required as all subdivisions and developments are to 10%
affordable and in mathematically the uh developer figured out that uh they thought there was no rounding up so they had 2.4 or two affordable lots and realize that they need three because we do round up um there's just a lack of
communication um back and forth and a change in building Commissioners and so forth that led us to hear and there are no Frontage requirements in the Rd OES zoning which allows for some flexibility so where we have four
unconstructed Lots 1 2 3 four on this portion of the culde act and these are outlined in green what we're proposing is a fifth lot so instead of four you would see five Lots on the north side of Charles Drive
or the excuse me the northeasterly side of Charles Drive uh where there are no homes constructed at this time and that one lot because it's a new lot would be subject to the water moratorium and wouldn't be able to
connect to the public water system it appears until the water is available but the other four Lots can are there any questions the developers here um from
briwood construction so what would that other house do for water it could drill a well or it could wait until the new well goes online which will be when do we know they're going to announce that um timeline to the selectman I think next week but we
don't have a specific date could be a while okay it could be I think we if you sorry if you want to speak you just have to go up to the mic and introduce yourself if you give your name and address and then we'll hear any
comments hi uh mik Mike Ferron from briwood construction um I think we would just the the most important part of this whole issue was is that we didn't we didn't lose a lot um by the miscommunication so leaving it leaving
it empty until the water moratorium is lifted is would be fine with us I I don't think we would we would build drill it well I think we just leave it empty okay anybody want to speak to this from the board I have a
question why is it necessary to add another lot just because you have to add an affordable I think I think the what had happened was I bought this approved from
a a group of attorneys they represented it to me as 22 market and two affordable um and through my communications with the town I I I thought that's what how it was and
reading through the the the um reading through the it it wasn't very clear I I guess um so I'm just I'm asking for for some relief there was a general understanding that it was two when he purchased it and
that was not from us yeah not from us but um there was also an expectation that there wasn't a rounding up but there was a miscommunication between building and planning on
that so it's come to here where um it got called out in the um paperwork that goes up to the state for approval and they said hey you do round up we're looking at this and we have a new Building Commissioner so we
went and confirmed that it should be three and we talked with Tom buard about the situation and Paul Armstrong to see if there was flexibility and it does allow for flexibility in the bylaw because of the frontage requirement being reduced in
the Rd OES there isn't a minimum dimension for Frontage once you're inside so this was the alternative that was suggested to try to rectify the miscommunications that there were so there's no there's no Frontage
requirement but what about area there's no standards in the it's got um the area for the entire development it's got continued Frontage for the entire development minimum
setbacks for the yard setback on the outside of the development maximum impervious surface ratio 25% minimum open space is the same 25% minimum usable open space per dwelling or equivalent in this case they
have all the open space set aside in the two areas and it's 5,000 squ fet per unit and then you have maximum height of dwellings and maximum height of dwellings both feet and stories but
there isn't any minimum lot area and there isn't any minimum lot Frontage said that there there was miscommunication I was told that we don't round up when I spoke with the previous Building Commissioner however after that Building Commissioner left
and We examined the language in the zoning bylaw carefully with the state we determined that we do in fact round up I've always been under that assumption that we round up we round up when we're doing this math we don't
round up when we're doing the um the number of units per year and that's where the confusion came up I I'm just looking at at these two really narrow Lots in the 60s for for
the width and with the with the restrictions on the height uh specific height um Val are we what are we really proposing that we're going to build there well you get 2 and 1 half stories or 35 ft and the minimum side
yard setbacks in this development are 15 ft 15 yep and you have a minimum of 25 ft which they're holding back further because they're putting the septic systems in the front yards to make it easy maintain and easy to install okay
so you end up with what about 30 something feet yeah you get yeah you'll get that you you'll get the width on on that I was looking at the one that's 62 ft wide and in the other one that's 66 but it goes narrow
in the front but Val saying that they can put the septics in the front yeah so we we actually have been we the building inspector actually we we actually are holding 12 1/2 ft Sidelines
as opposed to 15 we had started at 15 we went to 12 1/2 there was no yeah there was no there was no side line setbacks in the there's no side that's for these Lots in the Zoning for an
rdos for the RO okay so in this case we set it at 12 1/2 ft gotcha and we put put that in writing so that there wouldn't be any confusion down the road make more sense for house driveway all that once you get the house
driveway and and in in one instance we had a fireplace that was requested and that created going from 15 to 12 A2 but at that point only two or three houses had been constructed so it was easy to set that in stone at that time so there wouldn't be any further got it we want
to have at least you know that space in between the houses so the people can get around do their fir fighting or that sort sort of thing sure my only thought is was there ever talk about possibly converting one of the market to Affordable I'm sorry there was never
talk about converting one of the other lots to affordable in the plan cuz that would be the alternative right yes yes [Music] yeah all right um
okay uh anybody from the public want to speak to this I have a couple questions but it's mostly because you can't see them now accurately who does uh P BL she's on she was just she doesn't know where she's looking at the open space so she's
looking at the open space the open space is already under a a CR and it's all the way behind and around this the open space doesn't show on this plan because we're only showing the road and the frontage along the road the open space
is all to the bottom and it extends quite a distance on either side this is all this is all permitted Pine the the proposed additional lot is in area where
Lots were already proposed okay and then other people if you have comments if you could direct from to the board please come up to the microphone hi I'm Melanie Ken 18 Charles Drive um my question is mainly for Brierwood um so with the Lots being so
much smaller all of our houses are kind of we have I guess like a set type of house that's being built there so is that going to change and are these Lots going to be the 40b because originally I think we were told after we weren't told that this wasn't going to be a 40b lot
that um one and nine were is that still the case or the 40b going to the smaller Lots you need to take the you need to come up to the microphone the um it's actually not a it's not a 40b
these are just affordable homes um we have designated um lot one but if if this goes through what like 537 and 539 as the affordables and they
will be the same style it will all match with the neighborhood the the three houses that we have proposed for those um lots are the same as lot three and
the house that is on lot 17 are 16 so they they will all and the and the other the other houses will be the same as the the other models in the neighborhood so it will all match the way the law works the houses have to look the same from the exterior it's the Finish that are
different on the inside just smaller yeah I mean they I mean they really I'm not sure if you would really notice them being that much smaller I mean I know on the plan but they they really I I think it's going to go they're all going to
look uniform okay anybody else have any comments anybody else want to come up to the microph microphone okay good evening Dan 4 from 10 Charles Drive so this is what we have with briwood okay is again we were told there
was going to be no affordable housing in neighborhood okay when we bought these properties that's why we're all sitting here okay we spent a lot of money on these houses and now we're going to put another affordable house in in a shrink lot size and that is going to affect our property value whether you're going to say it doesn't it does or it doesn't
it's going to so if they want to make another house that's already existing a 40b that's fine I don't think we need to have another lot shrink lot size to add another you can call it whatever you want 40b affordable housing so this is the issue that we have okay there's been
issues with briwood since day one and it's no knock on them anytime we call they finally fix things but th this is not going to be a smooth process and that's just I'm speaking on behalf of probably most of our
okay all right my other my other thought is if because of the water moratorium the affordable unit won't be built for an unknown period of time that's what you were saying is you would leave it it unbuilt it wouldn't necessarily be the it wouldn't necessarily be the
affordable unit no it would not be do the so for the microphone for the sake of the audience that we're confirming that it would be a market rate unit that would be held back in in this case if the fifth is um
approved okay and our bylaw requires what uh and affordable for every every 10 houses built and it has been that way for quite a long time so every neighborhood in Kingston that's been built in the last what 20 or 30 years falls under this bylaw whether
it's Indi impon States whether it's uh Tall Timbers every neighborhood has this in it so your neighbor neighborhood is no ex exception and when it's an affordable house is 80% of market value so your market value houses in there are
running at about $900,000 somewhere around there so it's $8 % of that it's not cheap and the people who will buy that house will probably struggle to qualify you know because you have to have a certain income level right yeah they go
through a a betting process before they're allowed to get into the lottery and the vetting process is pretty intense so um and he's required now to build three so um I mean I'm concerned about the lot
size a little bit even though there's no um requirement on lot size they are small we could ask the assessors and continue this to get feedback from the assessors whether it would affect the way they assess the property values if
that's the concern I don't have an answer for that yeah I don't know the answer to that either what do you think I like it the way it is I don't think we should be adding another
lot that's my opinion yeah um I I don't like really like the idea of adding it a lot myself um I think you know it was approved the way it is I understand you're you're trying to get relief on that um I can respect that but I also
can respect what was approved and you know adding another house another um you know we got more drainage we got more septic um that's just kind of how I feel um I would like it to just stay the way it is yeah that's just my
opinion yeah but I'm open I'm I'm also open to your your suggestion Val as far as the you know the value assessors and taking a look at it to you know maybe continuing and seeing um I don't I don't think that
that would change my opinion um but I'm definitely open to that I don't personally think you're going to get an answer out of them yeah yeah well I mean I'm just going to say that it looks like at least two members and possibly three me would probably be
voting no on this so um I don't know what well so the you would vote Yes or no somebody could make a motion to either you know normally you make a motion in favor of the request and then
you vote and if you're voting against you say no y um and this is to modify the um so this is a defend of subdivision plan yeah the the motion would be along the lines of um I move that the planning
board approve the modification requested of the approved subdivision known as Greystone Village in order to add one additional lot so if somebody want to make that motion I can make that motion so moved Jonathan
makes that motion do we have a second second wait okay we have a motion we have a second modification yes second yeah and they saying yes to that no they're making we're making a motion and now the vote okay and you you
always make the motion in favor of the request and then the vote you vote no so it's clear that you're voting against it yeah if if you're against it you vote Yes if you're for it so now we call for a vote now we have a motion we have a second we have any further
discussion we have someone else in the audience you have to close the hearing before you yeah before you uh make the vote okay but that's how it would go we'll let one we'll let this guy speak right here I'm Sean Osborne 27 Charles Drive uh like other people said when we
first met with Mike and Greg about this development all of us had asked if there were any affordable or 40b houses you know and we were told no which is part of the reason we decided to move into to the development granted you know there may be a town bylaw but I think that's
their job as the builder of the property to inform that to us you know accurately I mean I think shrinking lot sizes to add an additional lot to comply with something that was overlooked shouldn't be our problem to just you know stack houses in there um you know if a market
property needs to be turned over to get affordable housing that that should be on them not us and you know I want to know is you know somebody that lives there is there anything that we can do I know you guys are going to go to a motion but none of you guys live there we're the ones that live there and have to deal with whatever outcome you guys
vote for so if if the vote of the planning board is something that you oppose what you'll get in the mail is a notice telling you how the planning board voted and how to appeal it and you have 20 days from the date that that is stamped with the town clerk and we try
to mail the notice the same day as the decision is stamped with the town clerk to file an appeal with land court or the superior court and the other question I have when you guys talk about Open Spaces you guys are talking about the property that's over this side of the
the development that has not that doesn't touch any of this affordable housing that's over here that's correct so I I mean how does that comply with the town bylaw the open property all of you have access to use it the open
space okay thank you okay so um need a motion to close the hearing yeah you want to see if there's any more comments there any more comments anybody else have anything else to
say okay excuse me again 18 Tri drive so we were told that like the open space um along these laws was all cons for it is it is but you said we could
use it you can walk around on it oh I I think we all assume it was like you know it's conservation land but it's passive you can't use it for like a baseball field or um ATVs or anything like that
yeah but you can amble around on it you don't have to if you don't want to but you can Oh I thought Turtles no still don't touch any Turtles but you can walk over there step over um okay we have a motion to close
the hearing so move second we have a motion and second to close the hearing all those in favor say I I I okay now we have a motion to uh motion to approve approve adding one additional lot we had a motion by Alex right so
Jonathan made the motion Alex seconded and do we have any further discussion um nope no okay all those in favor say I all those oppos say nay n Nay
n okay sorry Z4 vote on that sorry motion is not approved thank [Music] you
okay now when do you want to go next uh review assessory dwelling unit by law yeah so the uh I just okay so there's three things I want to go over we got noticed this afternoon that we are compliant with the MBTA
zoning as the state has made a determination so that's really good news for the town so that means we're thank you that means we're eligible for all the grants and things that we were hoping for um now Val before we move on from that I
just want the the court decided something in the Milton case right that um they decided to uphold the state the state law but not the regulations and then this the regulations were published just the way they already were as
emergency regulations and change nothing so if the I know they told them to go back and rework something if it's gets reworked is that's going to apply to our bylaw too well they rework them to say exactly the same thing okay yeah they
they sort of just adjusted their timeline like they have more time to comply time but those have already been published they were published within two weeks of the decision and they're taking public comment right now but I don't expect any changes see I thought maybe
that they were going to reduce the possibly reduce the number of required units but that's not the case okay all right okay all right I must have this screwed just cons screwed that okay um I just want to remind the board that we
have a public hearing at the next meeting on the accessory dwelling unit uh changes basically and just briefly say that we're still going back and forth a little bit with Council but we've narrowed it down we're just going to add the idea that there's a protected
Adu which is what the state is enabling at 900 square ft or half the size of the principal dwelling whichever is smaller as the minimum size and with all of that they finalized the regulations I think it was about 10 days ago and um we
advertised well in advance of the the law going into effect so that we could enact setbacks and also say that we don't want these to be short-term rentals so we're just going through the
um the Fine Line uh fine paper uh lines going back and forth with Town Council on how that will read but uh the intent is to say here's a protected or state enabled uh Adu and here's what our existing bylaw says where you need a
special permit so if it's bigger than 900 square ft or if it's um a second um affordable unit I mean a Adu or if it's on a different type of zoning besides just single family zoning then um you
still have to come in and get a special permit from this board um unless it's a state enabled Adu and then um that's really all we're doing is saying that the setbacks and the no short-term rentals because we can do that so we
want to um other than that there's no essential changes but it's just complicated getting the wording right so we'll have the public hearing on that next meeting so if somebody wants to come in and put a second detached Adu
that requires a special permit correct yes and that does not and amongst other things because they can't meet the 50% of the dwelling pot because they already have the first one that met that yeah and so I our zoning
bylaw requires a minimum lot size of 20,000 Square fet so there's different things that are going to kick in um uh in different types of districts so we're we I gave each of you this handout to that tries to simplify it a little
bit um any a u in town cannot be a short-term rental adus are subject to the heighten setback requirements of the zoning bylaw an Adu can be attached or
detached and um there's a minimum size that has to be in in effect for any Adu under habitable minimal minimum habitable uh standards for for human habitation but we have a minimum of 350
square ft in our zoning bylaw anyhow the state doesn't have a minimum so we're just they say there's a minimum but they don't have the minimum they don't have one so we know that the minimum standards for Fitness for human habitation apply and you're still at
around 350 square ft at a minimum anyway um and then if you're doing a special permit you're going to have a minimum lot side of 20,000 sare ft you're going to be in an R20 R40
r80 or 3A Design District and then if you have a primary use being a residential dwelling on Town Center or commercial districts you can also apply if it's already been there as of May 11th 2024 because we don't want to convert
businesses over to residential in order to enable this um and for the special permit it has to be one of one or the other either the house or the dwelling I mean the Adu or the or the uh primary
dwelling has to be owner occupied but we can't require that under the state requirements so it's a little bit you know there's a little bit uh here and there that we have to try to highlight for people could you say that again B um so under the state requirements it
doesn't have to be owner occupied and that's going to apply to US unless if it's a state enabled it can't be it can't be required requ ired to have an owner occupancy if it's a special permit which will come to us if it is otherwise it just goes through the
building department if it's a special permit we can still impose that it has to be one of them is owner occupi but we don't have to we have to it's in our zoning but but we can we can wave it right you could change the law if you
wanted to the zoning bylaw already says that it has to be one of them has to be we prefer that it is so that you have a a yeah I prefer that it is you have somebody there who's who's watching over the property just so what happens if
like the guy decides the person owns one of these and they decide just rent both of them and walk away or you know act as a landlord and when a neighbor finally complains then it comes to like the building inspector this is all enabled through the building inspector and
enforced enforced by the building that's that's my question like how do they how do they if there's absentee landlords yeah there's nothing that we can do other than deal with the absentee landlord just like we would any other situation where there's an absentee landlord yeah but then getting getting
that landlord to come in and occupy one of the units we concerned one of the units or well I'm not sure how it works it's not our situation to handle the Building Commissioner handles it so they have different regulations and laws that apply to what the Building Commissioner
can and can't do but that's true in any case when you have an absentee landlord there there are situations where there are absentee landlords this is just another one that can come up and it's less desirable to have that yeah
so if we approve a special permit and we require it to be on or occupied one of the units then we would probably want to put see them put a deed restriction on so it's on the deed well it's recorded with a special permit and it rides with
the property it never goes away and it spells it out yep so so a regul if someone comes in front of us with a regular Adu they don't have to live there you won't ever see a regular Adu oh because they only go through the building department they only go through
the building department okay got it I thought they were still going to come in front of us no in a in a new construction if for 900 square ft means that the main house has to be at least 1,800 Square ft ish it has to go with habitable area so you can't count the
garage for example I understand that but and it's from the outside walls I believe it is from the outside walls correct because I know Jason was messing with the I know but uh the building Commissioners across the state have been talking and I think they're all they're all like
trying to lean in One Direction but they haven't decided yet well it should be from the outside wall it should be from the outside walls yeah it always has been so why there a clear description right okay so that's that so I don't have anything more to share with you on
that but that's coming up we also have a a housekeeping zoning bylaw that we're going to do there was a a an error in the zoning bylaw when it was made into the recodification where service uses
are a little bit confused and um we're trying to decide whether we want to Define service uses or just fix the type in the zoning bylaw but in the use table things like barber shops and stuff that are of a certain size got deleted from
General commercial which is silly and we want to fix that so we're going to come to you with something on the 23rd of March the second meeting in March with a public hearing for that you're also going to see um a change proposed for
the mall use or excuse me Mall mixed use Redevelopment overlay District um we're looking at the possibility of adding a um fuel use not over the wetlands protection uh water protection overlay
District there's land area at the end of the mall that could be used for uh like a gas station that's not in the well areas the the water pumps from the opposite direction towards the wells this is on the other side of the wells
and doesn't pump into the wells so um we're looking at a a modification to the shape of the um mixed use overlay District we're looking at a modification to allow the planning board through a special permit
to look at a fuel station um as long as it's not over the water protection overlay district and you'll see me advertising those two articles um they'll show up in the paper next week and we'll have that hearing the second
um part of March second meeting in March so those are the two other articles that are coming from planning um with respect to there's an open house um I've mentioned in the past that we have uh
been looking at redesigning the tarland intersection I think I mentioned it at the last planning board meeting um because it's kind of a messy intersection where tarland CVS Summer Street oh yeah and uh big y intersect we've come up with some ideas that we
think are pretty cool we've met with uh three or four major business owners that are right there the plaza owners the uh McDonald's the CVS the uh Big Y Plaza owners and the gas station and talked to them about it already and now we want to
do some public Outreach to make sure that um everybody understands what we're thinking about we've also applied to um or shown an expression of interest to the state in terms of applying for a mass Works infrastructure Grant to pay
for the design so um we're going to apply for that sometime in May or June and um the this informational meeting will be next Monday night from 7:00 to 900 p.m. in Room 101 the Kingston townhouse and we invite people to come
there's going to be a PowerPoint and um informational boards and um the engineers will be there to answer questions if people have them and uh we hope that there'll be um public interest and people would come you know we want to make this a safer Greener
intersection than what it is today and with that the um I don't think I have anything more I can report okay he Val um I know you had been working uh trying to get contact lows the whole sign thing did anything
have that yeah I met with um Lowe's people locally repeatedly I met with Amazon people locally repeatedly and we can't get anywhere I've I've spent my Saturday mornings hanging out to try to I'm serious um to try to get people I'm
going to start reaching out to the people who originally permitted those buildings to see if there's any possible because we do have interest from the plumbing company uh we think that we would probably get the uh daycare interest interested and we know that we
have interest from um the elevated routs so it's really just trying to get the big big retail uh warehouses to talk to us and it's extremely difficult to locate someone who will you know I've given them my phone number my business card I've walked into the property
unannounced and unwelcome uh to say I'm trying to get in touch with uh the people that manage this Warehouse to see if we can get you on this sign so by right we could take the sign down cuz it's on our property right I suppose we could um we've tried
to notify Lowe's through the agreement that we have on file yeah they've moved the office it came back to us um undelivered and we've tried calling they we can't get through to anyone when you call the customer service they refer you
to the um clients of the of the company that are Market shareholders and when you try to call that number they put you back to customer service there aren't any other pH numbers yeah so you said you have you tried mailing any oh yeah
and that that came back undelivered so at this point I'm going to try one more you know one more effort but you know we really like the idea of taking that sign down and putting up a better sign yeah
um they made a lump sum payment for a 30-year lease when they open the building and that 30 years has gone by and they haven't um reup the lease so we have this situation where we need to resolve it but the contact information
we have is no longer valid Lo has been there for 30 years yes really holy moly wow I think I think you've done a lot of due diligence trying to get a hold of them and if we need to continue to create you know a benefit for the smaller businesses around the area to
put up signages then I think we should do what we have to do yeah it so what about like Town Council they have any way to like you they've told me that what I need to do in order to so they won't send a letter usually when a letter they asked me to write the
letter which we did and which got sent back yeah it comes from a lawyer it usually carries a lot more weight you know you would expect that it might but if you can't deliver it yeah it doesn't matter Town Council has been useless in this time yeah okay I can't
disagree send a letter okay so if we so maybe did that once but I was going to say if you have to do it again and if it comes back again then we'll use that as enough correspondence that we're going to take the sign down and we're going to put a new sign with the people that want
to cooperate public announc I'm I want to try and call try and call the people who were going to expand the building two summers three Summers four summers ago and they never acted on it and call the people that permitted the Amazon who might still be around or may not still
be around but they're going to be like the real estate people I tried to contact them to give them money back from the um 53g like the yeah and I couldn't get a hold of anybody even then if you can't get a hold of somebody to give money back then you know yeah so we're
still trying we also you know try to get a a sign quote from um is it pan forget the name pant signs they keep blowing us off to give us the number so we're having a lot of difficulty we've
been working on it very hard I would say off and on for at least a year and not getting anywhere no thanks we'll keep trying appreciate it I'm glad you guys are working on it definitely V your Saturdays I mean gosh appreciate you big
time well Maya kept me company so that was all right yeah um so that's it we just have the minutes here and um yeah I don't have anything else to val did uh did anybody go to the um the
open house at the uh Kingston collection they had 50 people give or take that were there and David gleon went and uh the report back was that it was well attended um they had you know lots of sticky notes and lots of ideas that were
shared with them yeah it was less of presentation more just to get people's ideas so they created a a website or an email address that people can um email in their ideas as well are they gonna have another one they plan on
it yeah like a year or you know however long because I tried to go but I couldn't make it back in time yeah uh from Boston so it would be nice if they extend it an hour from the original plan meeting time okay I'll let them know now with Macy's moving out Macy still owns
the building right no Macy sold to them um to the current owners of the mall several months ago oh they did okay so they could take the building down we don't know we don't know yeah but we'll we'll probably have some information on
that then in the coming two or three months okay all right I think that's all I have we going move on to the minutes okay so we have what two sets of minutes yes
the only ones that were here were were you and John okay December 9th um I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of December 9th 2024 as presented okay we have a
motion to approve the minutes of December 9th do we have a second so hold on if we're not can we do it if we're not second a motion if I wasn't here yes you can I can second that I can second I just
can't vote okay okay so I second the motion me and John and John can can vote on this so all those in favor of approving the minutes i i
two Z two 202 yep okay all right and now we have I'll make a motion for January 13th I'll make a motion to accept the minutes of January 13 2025 as
presented second okay we have a motion we have a second I was not at this meeting so I cannot vote all those in favor I I I and then I'm not voting so that's a
301 to approve those minutes okay do we have anything else Val CER not that I know of but we definitely want you to plan on being here for the um and David too
uh for the March 10th and then the 24th for the zoning hearings I'll be here as long as there's no early uh early newcomers to the family yeah which is exciting oh yeah yeah April 11 is today
so don't count on me for April do thumbs up yeah okay don't want to make a motion to adjourn so moved seconded okay we got a motion and second it's not debatable all those in favor say I I I thanks
everybody okay