Good evening everyone. Township Lacy caucus meeting May 22nd, 2025. Adequate notice of this meeting has been given in accordance with the open public meetings act pursuant of public laws 1975. Said notice was advertising asbury Park Press in a beacon and was posted on the bulletin board showing the time and
place of the meeting. Will rise and have a pledge of allegiance to our flag. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. Item number one, bond anticipation note sale. You want me to explain? I can. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. So, um, every year, uh, in May, the township sells their bond anticipation notes. Uh, this year, we issued
17,722,000 in bond anticipation notes, um, at an interest rate of 3.75%. Does anyone have any comments? No. Great job. Can I get a motion? Move it. Second. Mr. McDonald? Yes. Mrs. Juliana? Yes. Mr. Hennis? Yes. Mr. Lay? Yes. Yes.
Item number two, request a post signage, Relay for Life. Um, the organizers of Relay for Life have requested um to post signs across town for the event. It's taking place on May 31st at noon uh at Veterans Park in Berkeley. Um they want
to post signs one week prior and they'll remove them um immediately after the event. Move it. Second. All in favor? I have motion to adjurnn. Move it. Second. Second. All in favor? I.
Township of Lacy Township meeting May 22nd, 2025. Adequate notice of this meeting was given in accordance with the Open Public Meetings Act pursuant to public laws in 1975. Said notice was advertised in Aspberry Park Press in the beacon and was posted in the bulletin board showing the time and place of the meeting. We'll
have a salute to the flag and a moment of silence. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Item number one, second reading of ordinance 2025-09 authorizing the sale of block 1869, lot Ordinance of the Township of Lazy County of Ocean, state of New Jersey, authorizing the sale of block 1869, lot 13 on the municipal tax map to Allan and
Carrie Baker in accordance with provisions of NJSA4A 112-13b. Move it. Second. Second. Yeah. Make a motion to close the floor. Second. All in favor? I motion ordinance. Second. Mr. Yes. Mr. Kenn. Yes. Mr. McDonald.
Yes. Mr. Lay. Yes. Mary Kurt. Yes. Item number two, we're going to table this evening so that we can bring it back to you in its entirety at our next meeting. We need to have the schedule a attached to it and I don't have that schedule yet. It's not done by the engineer yet. So, we'll officially table that and so
you're going to carry it to the next meeting and announce the time date of the next meeting and that way you don't have to readvertise. Oh, excellent. The second reading of public hearing will be uh June 12th at 6 p.m. right here in this corner. Motion move it. Second. All in favor? I
item number three, second reading of ordinance 2025-11, amending chapter 269 entitled pedalling and soliciting. Ordinance of the township of Lacy County of Ocean State of New Jersey, amending and supplementing chapter 269 entitled pedalling and soliciting. This is to outline the fingerprinting requirement
for all applicants. Second reading, open the floor to public comment. Seeing none, I make a motion to close it. Second. All in favor? I motion on the ordinance. Move it. Second. Mrs. Juliano, yes. Mr. McDonald, yes. Mr. Kennes, yes. Mr. Ray. Yes. Mayor Kola. Yes. Item number four, resolution
2025-181, awarding a contract for the Southwest Barnagget Pines Road Improvement Project. Resolution at the Township of Lacy County of Ocean State, New Jersey, awarding a contract to Earl Asphalt Company for the 2025 New Jersey DOT municipal aid grant for the Southwest Barnet Pines Phase 1
improvement project. This is for Deer Head Lake Drive, Hillwood Road, and Pine View Road. And the project amount is uh $66,113.13. Second. Mr. McDonald. Yes. Mr. Laray. Yes. Mr. Kennes. Yes. Mrs. Piano. Yes. Mayor Kola. Yes. Item number five,
resolution 2025-182 authorizing the employment of seasonal employees for the Department of Public Works. Resolution at the Township of Lacy County of Ocean State of New Jersey authorizing the employment of seasonal employees for the Department of Public Works. Second. Mr. McDonald. Yes.
Mr. Mr. Lay. Yes. Mr. Kis, yes. Mr. Juliana, yes. Mayor Kurt, abstain. Item number six, resolution 2025-183 authorizing the employment of seasonal employees for the recreation department. Resolution of the township of Lacy County of Ocean City, New Jersey, authorizing the employment of
seasonal employees for the recreation department. Move it. Second, Mr. Laay. Yes. Mr. McDonald. Yes. Mr. Kenn, abstain. Mrs. Juliana, yes. Mayor Kto, yes. Item number seven, resolution 2025-184, authorizing the refund of a
building department fee. Resolution of the township of Lacy County of Ocean, state of New Jersey, authorizing the refund of a building department fee issued by the Lacy Township Building Department. Second, Mr. McDonald, yes. Mr. Kennes, yes. Mrs. Juliano, yes. Mr.
Lang, yes. Mayor, yes. Item number eight, resolution 2025-185 authorizing the refund of deposit monies. Resolution of the township of Lacy County of Ocean State of New Jersey authorizing the refund of deposits held for the use of municipal facilities. Move it. Second. Mrs.
Juliano, yes. Mr. Kennet, yes. Mr. McDonald, yes. Mr. Laray, yes. Mayor Kata, yes. Item number nine, resolution 2025-186 authorizing the payment of township bills. Resolution of the township of Lacy County of Ocean State, New Jersey, authorizing the payment of
township bills. Move. Second. Mrs. Juliano. Yes. Mr. Cis. Yes. Mr. McDonald. Yes, Mr. Laray. Yes, Mayor Curt. Yes. Item number 10, motion to approve caucus meeting minutes from May 7th, 2025.
Move it. Second. All in favor? I. Item number 11, motion to approve township meeting minutes from May 7th, 2025. Move it. Second. All in favor? I. Any add-on tonight? Uh resolution
2025-187 resolution of the township of Lacy County of Ocean State of New Jersey authorizing the execution of a shared services agreement with the Lacy Township Board of Education for shared use of an aerial lift through the New Jersey LEAP program. Move second. Mr. McDonald, yes. Mr. Kennes, yes. Mrs.
Juliana, yes. Mr. Laray, yes. Mayor Gil, yes. Comments from the committee. Second by Jamie, I need to amend my um vote on the bills. I need to abstain on T 0035. Thank you, Mr. McDonald. Comments
tonight. Deputy Mayor Kennis. Thank you, Mayor. I just want to remind everybody that our Memorial Day parade will be 9:00 a.m. on Monday. And just to remember um remember and honor those who gave their lives this weekend and to enjoy the weekend. Those are my comments. Thank you very much. Just if I
could correct that for a second, I believe it's 10:00. Is it 10? Nine. Nine. I thought the calendar said 10. 10 o'clock. Okay. 10. Whatever. We'll let everybody know. Get there early. 9 or 10 and whatever. 10:00. 10. Line up at
9ine. If you want to see us line up, we'll be there at 9. If you're there, you have 10, right? Yeah. I have it on my calendar as 10. All right. 9. So, whatever. Committee McDonald. Yeah. Real simple. We got a nice easy uh agenda here today
before we head off to the Memorial Day weekend. I wish everyone a happy Memorial Day and take a moment during this weekend to reflect on how privileged we are to live in this country. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Committeewoman Juliana. Thank you,
Mayor. Appreciate it. Um just to let you know, we had 31 calls um for our fire department. Again, we couldn't be here without them. Thank God for them and our men in blue. Men and women in blue. Thank you. Um I I was going to mention
about that too about the parade. Make sure you come out. There's a reason to be out there on Lacy Road and watch this parade. It's our way of saying thank you. Put those flags up and be proud of our country. We need to be out there
standing up and speaking up for our country. That's for sure. It's a sad day in our country when something is that happened in Washington last night happened. It's very sad and and that should not be happening in this country,
but things have gone wrong down the wrong road and hopefully we're bringing them back to the right road. So, that's my piece and happy Memorial Day to everybody and I know um we'll all be out there on the roads. We've had a lot of little accidents lately too in this town and we need to pay more attention to our
driving and less to the phone in our hand and running through yellow lights. That's all. Thank you, Mayor. You're a great patriot, Mr. L. You are, Mr. Lay. Well, tonight made it simple for sure.
Um, short agenda. Of course, I want to tell everybody have a happy Memorial Day. remember all the uh volunteers, service people, and everybody else that uh this holiday is for. Excuse me. The only other thing I
wanted to mention, it's a little frog in the throat. What' you put? I got a frog. Was that lifesaver is I know it's coming up, but I want you're going to hear me reiterate this until the deadline in in July, but
please people, if you're involved and you're paying attention, please let's this year find some school board candidates to run for the school board. I hate to keep uh beating on this, but it's a very important uh part of our town. Our kids are our
future. And I just want to, like I say, you're going to hear me say it every month until the deadline. Please, let's get some people out there that really care and want to have some input on the future of Lacy Township. And I just want to make one quick note. But I was at a
wedding this weekend south of here and as when you run into people, they ask you where you're from and everything. And I'll tell you the one thing that I heard a couple times was these are people from adjoining communities around Ocean County is I kept hearing how nice
they thought Lacy Township was. And that's goes from the top to the bottom because everybody has some input from in with that from the uh government right down to the volunteers and the community. We make a fine community and it's recognized around our county. So, I
just wanted to make mention of that. That's it, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, want to remind uh residents who have a a loved one or a family member or friend uh this uh Saturday at the Elks at 12:00 noon is their first responders event and it's
very very um important. I'm sure many of us, if not all of us, will will be there to recognize their efforts, especially recently. Um, news from our recreation department. Please visit lacytownship.org, go to the wreck uh portal, uh, where you can look at beach
badges, see every activity, and sign your child up uh, for our summer camp. Um, and that's that's important. It's a great service that we provide here in Lacy Township um, from more than one reason. So, there's always something here to do in our town from our school
children up to our seniors, and that's because of our great employees. I want to touch on something. I wasn't going to bring it up, but uh Committeewoman Juliano brought it up. It was a horrible and awful tragedy what happened to those two very young people outside the
embassy. I was um right outside embassies myself, not in Washington DC, but a week ago today um with my daughter and my wife and because I like history and we were looking at that and all the different flags and um just want to
reject hatred in every possible iteration and intolerance. I don't like that. It's distinctly unamerican when you hate somebody for those reasons. And uh it's disgraceful and that
murder is should not be happening in this the greatest country that God ever gave mankind. So I hope we get a hold on it. And I hope we start to change some minds of our youth in certain ones of these universities because that's going to be
who's leading and sitting in these seats tomorrow in those very important and prestigious universities. So, I hope they have the right mindset and I hope they love their country. It's a shame I have to question that today in May of 2025. With that, I'll open the floor for
public comment. Mayor, I I have I have one more thing. Yes, sir. This is right up. This is Juliana Allen. Is uh I would recommend to people to be very careful with the fireworks they're going to set off this weekend. You've got dogs that just don't like them. And people sometimes people
don't like them. I don't like Well, I would tell everyone, get it done by 8, 9:00 at night and that's it. Junior, be safe with them, but let's get it done by 8, 9:00 at night and people can enjoy the rest of the evening. Thank you. And let me dovetail on that. There's another
reason we love our dogs and our cats and our pets. There's a lot of veterans in this town. We have two senior communities. They got PTSD and they hear those things. That's a bad situation. That's a whole episode. You need a licensed person, medication. That's a
real thing. That's a real thing. Very true. So, please be cognizant of that. The dogs and the veterans, they can't they can't deal with that stuff. So, thank you for reminding me. Uh, both committee woman and committee men. Good memory. Committee men and committee woman. Thank you so much. Uh, open the
floor for public comment. Come on, Barry. You got you got two minutes. You got to be out of here. We'll even give you five. Barry Bender somewhere in Lacy Township. Jib. Um, yeah, it's a week from Saturday. Uh,
I'll be running around for the next few days like a lunatic for sure. Um, we still got to get the salad settled. I'm trying to I try to keep it in here and there's nothing in here anymore. So, it's it's a problem. Uh, but yeah. Um,
May 31st, survivor lunch. Anybody who watches this on TV who's a cancer survivor, you can bring a guest. Just walk right in. The food is ordered. I got that done. So, it's going to be really good stuff. Uh and then at 2:00, we start the
opening ceremony and then we go till till 6:00 a.m. So, uh there's going to be a car show also there. Uh we're hoping that a lot of people come out. Good weather. Good weather. Okay. Uh there was only once a number of years
ago where in the middle of the event the sky opened up and there was all kinds of lightning and that was before they built the lights. So I had to crank down the lights while the lightning was coming down. We won't have to do that ever again. But knock on wood. No rain. We don't want any rain. And uh look forward
to seeing everybody out there. I talked to the organizer of the car show. You'll see him at the meeting very shortly. He lives up the street from I do know that. He's a good friend of mine. I'm part of that club. I will uh be awarding a trophy for the heroes award uh hopefully to a fireman or a fire truck that day.
But I want to recognize my colleague Amy here who wrote me um wrote us there's no me, there's us a proclamation that I will read on stage over there as mayor. Great. Because as you know things all things public health are near and dear to me. So I'm looking forward to
attending. Yep. Yep. Let's get nice weather too. Thanks very much. I'm heading out. Thank you. Thanks Barry. Thank you. Any other comments this evening? How you guys doing? All right. How are you? Andy Masiolic. M A C I O L E
K. Get it? Got Okay. First of all, I got a couple of things here that I need some an some I'm going to ask some questions. I hope you can help me. All right. First of all, who's responsible for paving like in lacy towns of roads? How does
that get done? The paving the roads, how who assigns it where how's that work? There's a process that we go through each year. So, I'll explain a little bit to you and and I'm sure one of my colleagues will fill in when I find a pothole in my story. So, uh applications
are made to the DOT. Uh we do get uh we do award based on some of those awards from the DOT. Uh we'll take care of the most needy roads because it's an expensive process, a two-prong process. Part of it is engineering. The next part is actually pouring and paving. We'll do
engineering on one part of of of the town one year and then we'll do paving the next uh that year, the next year. Um but it goes based on need. We're on a schedule uh and it goes dependent on grant funds that we receive as well. So there's really three parts of it. The
grant, the engineering, and the pouring. Okay. That's through the county. No. Negative. Negative. That through our companies, the county has done and will do county roads like 614 right behind your Lacy Road. But you're responsible for your roads basically. Correct. Okay.
All right. Now, the second question is water drainage on the streets. Who's responsible for that? Cuz engineering cuz when it rains I got Well, the town's responsible if it's the town streets for the town. And when we're doing an overlay um project, we make sure that
it's regraded and done properly so that you're not causing additional ponding or we're addressing ponding and drainage issues when we do redo the roads. Yeah. I just want to know who's responsible because it depends on who owns the road. So our roads or ours county or county? Okay. So when it rains, I have a nice
puddle more like I call it a lake in front of my house, my neighbor's house, too. So just I'm sure our DPW knows about it already, but give them a call. Somebody will go out and walk the property. Okay. And they'll be better able to address it for you. Okay. All right. Very good. Give me the roadway.
1706 B. That's where I live. Binnacle. B I N A CL E road. It hasn't been paved since I've been there 35 years. Yeah. We It's Casey created a schedule many years ago. Okay. In which we follow it going around the town because we had to skip
it would make no sense. We follow the schedule. I got you. Because there's been I've been here almost 35 35. It hasn't been done since I've been here. line when I first moved in 25 years ago. The road's not only puddle, it's cracking. I mean, eventually there's no road left. There's no color left. It's pretty much pretty soon it'll be dirt,
you know, if we keep it going. So, that's my concern. I'll have I'll have Casey go and take I mean, we're going to need a condition like this out there. Yeah, it's out there right now. If you go by my house right now and dry, it doesn't work. It It'll dry up in a couple days. It goes quick, but when it does rain, it is a flood, you know. Take
some pictures, too. I could I could have brought them tonight, but I said, you know, I'll just I always take pictures and email them as well. So, especially because I don't know what the weather's supposed to be like. Just asking questions, that's all. It's like, you know, I've been limited with for since I've been here. So, um there's a couple of things and please don't take this
personal because I'm not trying to tag you guys, but I was kind of disappointed which is very important is the the school board meeting, the last one, none of you guys were at. At least I didn't see any of you there and they turned it down. Thank god they did because they weren't going to raise our taxes again
and for what 7 something% whatever that was and the kids weren't going to get what they needed anyway. They were going to have to you know group them together. The busing was going to there was a lot of things. It would have been a it would have been a nightmare if that thing passed. So now it's left up to the state
and there was a lot where there was a lot of talking going on in that auditorium that we need to go to trend. We need to get an organization. you guys involved ocean um all the Ocean County pretty much times over they bu they voted down too. We need to go to Tren and tell them the problem is is
they cut the funding to the schools in Ocean County not up in the other districts but here and that's a big problem and that's why we're hurting. Right. So there's a couple things. Let me answer you and let me address that. So we number one we're going to have a new governor from whatever party it's we're going to have a new governor and
we will God willing revisit this school funding program. Number two, I can speak to you factually that every colleague up here has attended recently or within the last couple of months uh school board meeting. In addition, we have two
members up here. I served in 2024, but I have deferred to uh committeeman Laray who was a school board member for many, many years. And of course, Committeeman McDonald. Uh and they meet quarterly with the school board and the superintendent and the business
administrator. So there's an open line of communication that takes place here. But I understand that. But we don't get none of that information. Okay. We don't see it. That's that's always behind the right the doors. We don't see. So we don't know what's going on. Okay. All I'm just saying is as I was this was an
this is very important stuff now. This is serious stuff and we need our township to back us. Go ahead, Tim. Okay. Go ahead, Tim. A lot of the stuff that we hear in the liaison meeting is for private. So it'll it'll come out because again it's a lot
of spitballing. Can you do this? Can you do that? So that makes no sense in in bringing it out. But you got to understand we're coming from. We're left in the dark cuz we have no idea. And all we hear about is they're going to raise taxes and we got what 9.9 last year. Do I think they could do a much better job?
The answer is yes. Okay. Okay. I think they're trying to do some things that are very complicated. And again, if they get it out in the public, it's going to be a it's going to be a worse disaster than it is now. I got you. Well, here, you know, then there's uh And Andy, I
want to make a comment on that, too. Go ahead. As you know, I've made I've made quite a few of the school. I know you have. I saw you there. I'm just talking about the last one, Bob. You know, this came up I think last meeting here, too. Uh why we're not at more of the stuff. I
had a choice to make before I ran here. I could have ran for the school board or I could have ran for the township committee. This time I chose the township committee and thankfully they made me llays on to the school board. With that said, we are in constant contact with them. We do go
but I also have a life. So I'm not going to be able to make every single meeting. With that said, because even though we do go, you know, a lot of times we absorb, we hear what everybody says. We know what's going on at the meetings. Um, yes, very seldom you'll see us get
up and speak at them meetings, but we do know what's going on at them. So, don't ever think because our presence isn't there that we're not concerned or we're not paying attention because we do try to make as many as we can. And as you
know, through the past couple months, especially with what's been going on, more than ever, there's been township committee members going, even though like as we all get frustrated, we only
got so much say and power when it comes to them. But we're trying to keep on top of it the best we can. And to reiterate what Tim had just said, a lot of the backroom stuff is backroom work that you know is tit for tat sometimes. And it's
just uh but uh much to my surprise is the amount of time so far this few months I've been on here that I have spent with the school board and on school board issues because I go home some weeks going which board did I run
for? because between emails and back and forth and some of the people in the public and everything you get, you know what, we signed up for this and that that's why I keep saying I want to really I I was so disappointed
last year when you got issues this big, this concerning, this impactful to this town and nobody wants to get involved. And I understand why somebody wouldn't. Words are words, but actions are greater
than words. So, I don't want to hear, and I'll be as blunt as I can, the crap that over 29,000 people in this town with an issue this big that we can't get competent candidates to run for the board of education because it's the
biggest impactful thing here. And I want people to watch this on TV. I want them to hear our comments because you know what? The kids are important and they are tomorrow's future. And this school district, yes, I served on it for 12
years. It was 15 years ago. It was something to be very proud of. My kids got a good education. This district was ranked up with the top of them. People moved to Lacy for the school district. And we know that has changed over the last 10 years or so. And we need to get
back there. I hear all the comments that everybody says. I try to attend pro and non-pro meetings, but it's a very big issue and we really got to get concerned people out there. And I would really like to
see some more people get on the school board that's got kids within our district. That'd be great because right now we got a school board with one board member with children attending our school district. And I think that's a
shame. I agree. I agree with that. So, I got one more point and uh and then I'll end it with that. Um I know you're tired of hearing about this, but the park by my house, the they never cut the grass. I thought they were I'm going to take
this if I may. Okay. Would you? Because I thought they were going to at least cut the grass. I mean, it's this high. Now, let me say something before you interrupt. If I let my grass go like that, I get fine. Correct. Right. Over 18 inches. Yes. It's over It's over 18 inches. Just to let you know, I mean, something that we all should take into
consideration. The people who do most of our work are DPW workers are firemen in this town. I heard the story. I It's not a story. No, no, it's not. I heard I heard I heard what told. Okay. It they were very busy
for 10 days straight. I understand. They didn't have much time to do much of anything else. Mhm. And um we are, you know, we're getting on our parks as fast as we can and we are getting out there as fast as we can and it'll be taken care of as fast as it can be. Yeah, we
got behind schedule because of the fire, unfortunately. Okay. But u All right. So, so what was I going to say with that? Okay. You know, going back to that park, you know, I've been down here for 35 years and I have a Fourth of July picnic every year. Not on the fourth
always falls, but whatever. And my family used to come down and we used to go into the there used to be a beach there, by the way, years ago. And we used to go there and play. Now they come to my house and they say, "Well, there's what's what's going on there?" You you know, there's no more access to the water cuz you put you know, the rocks
are there for the beach erosion and stuff like that. So, we turned a nice beach into that. So, this is I'm just trying to be funny here. They should change the name of Fork River Beach because there is no beach. should just be Fork River area or whatever cuz there
is no beach there anymore. So, but to tie this whole thing together with the street, with the with the road and everything, if the taxes keep going up the way they're going, I might have to sell my house cuz I'm retired now. So, I'm not working anymore. I'm retired. So, I'm going to set income. So, if things keep going the
way they're going, I don't get to raise as much as the taxes going up. I'm going to have to sell. Unfortunately, I love the town, but there's there's no more beach there for me to enjoy. So there's really nothing for me here. My daughter graduated from Lacy Township. She married a guy who lived in
Virginia down there. So I was thinking about keeping my house and maybe renting to go down there. But now the way things are going, I might have to sell it. So um you know, we need leadership like Donald like Donald Trump. He's a leader. He's not afraid to offend anybody. He he
does the will of the people. And that's what I think we need, you know, that we all need to step up, you know, and uh show some leadership. And uh what's happening to this area is because of what's happening in Trenton and we should stand up. We should all get
together. I don't care. Get buses and go there and march on Trenton and say, "No, we're tired of this. You guys created this mess. Now you're going to fix it." And thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Other comments, please. Any other comments this evening?
I just got a quick question. Name, please. Denise. Denise Vicaro. Okay. She's got it now, doesn't she? Mr. Laorray will tell her. Um, I have a quick question. Maybe um Veronica can answer this.
We don't have a townwide garage sale. No, but if an organization would like to head one up and do it, and we've talked to the PTA numerous times that they've inquired and other nonprofit organizations, they've inquired. We've told them to go ahead and do So, it has to be a No, it doesn't h it doesn't have
to. So, I'm asking me like I'm, you know, if you wanted to ask all your neighbors around you to have a yard sale, you could go right ahead and do that. How many do you have to have, though? You don't. You don't. One. One. You could do You can yard sale. No, I know. I can do my where Regina lives where Regina lives her neighborhood.
They I know they do that's one they collectively come in. So they have, you know, I'm going to say like a captain of the neighborhood. They come in and they they have you want to join, you want to join. They come in with a list. They provide the list to the clerk's office. We issue the permits and then they come and pick them up and then we advertise
those permits for that particular weekend. Each person still has to pay. Yes. Yes. Okay. That's $5 for two. It's $5 for two. $5. Sure. I just wasn't sure because $5 meant like the town was participating
with us to help us. Exactly. Well, it was good senior thing, but that's what I was just saying. What was that? It was only complimentary. I heard it. Okay. Promise you. I was talking to the senator here. Okay. Cuz I'm going to make you come to
garage sale now. No. Um that's not happening. But okay, so basically that's with that though cuz like Frank brought up Regina because she I don't live far from her and even with that I mean they they they used to do a really good job with that.
There was I noticed the last couple years it's almost like everything in our society right now that's even dwindled down to almost nothing. Yes, I know. Desent Ron used to do one too. It just really I just I thought with the taxes and everybody having their little
financial crisis, I was like, "Okay, I know that we're allowed to have it. I know you can pay for it. I know this, this, this, and that." I just didn't understand if the townwide met that, okay, we're going to, you know, let you have it on, you know, July 5th, and, you
know, if somebody wants to set that up and organize it, they can go right ahead. But that's not on us to do that. PTA number of years ago, the high school PTA um organized it. Um the president, it was uh Mrs. Loda organized it and the town waved the fees for the and I don't
even think it was $5 back then. So, this organization came in and you had to sign up with this organization. They came in and got all the permits. They brought you your permit plus they gave you like a balloon to hang off of your mailbox. And then what they did is her husband was a police officer. He broke down the
streets based on our sectors in the police department and Mr. Walsh didn't know how to do that either. Right. So that's what I mean. So we took it and we broke it down into the sectors so that all like areas were all bulked together because otherwise if you just had a big
run on list you'd be going back and forth all over town. So that's what the PTA did one year. Now, several times PTAs have asked and we said, "Okay, this is how you do it, you know, but they've never come to do it." And all they'd have to do is ask for the town to wave the fees for that one weekend. And the advertisement is all just Well, we post
the uh as a courtesy, we post a list of garage sales on our um municipal website just as a courtesy, but the PTA had a nice list. And again, you could go to each house had a um a stack of the lists if you, you know, stopped at your house first and I didn't have my list. I could
grab one. They supplied that to all of the member, anybody that was coming around to do their shopping. Okay. Yeah, it was really nice. They broke it down into, like I said, the sectors of our community because I'm terrible with directions. So, I mean, thank God for GPS. I wish I would. And, you know, we would we would gladly announce that in
our public comments. Yeah, I'm sure you would. We know a few people. What was that look for? We know a few people. Give it to him. Oh, he gets enough looks. A few people do do watch this. Okay. And then also, um, well, you have
to take this how you take it, but I know you guys are dealing with a lot of kids and teenagers, and now summer's coming. Um, I don't want to see any kid get arrested either. I don't know if the
wreck can help them. I don't know if we have anybody on the committee that can suggest where these kids can go, what they can do, how to keep them busy, and if they do get in trouble, well, you know what? There's a lot of seniors who need help picking up things, mowing, all
kinds of stuff like that. There's no shortage of activities for our kids. We have a whitet. We have wonderful parks. Uh we have an active wreck department. We have an active municipal alliance. There's sporting organizations.
There is no shortage of stuff to do here in Lacy Township. There is no We Next week we're gonna have a late cleanup. We have civic opportunities here, not only for cleanups, but for our civic groups. So, there's activities anywhere and everywhere. We need the kids to put down
their social media, put down their iPhones and iPads, parents step up and have parents step up. Yes. You can't you what you're saying is talking about leg you can't legislate family activity that just has to be organic and come from the home but
we have the offerings be different if we offered nothing I didn't know if you had anything for the teenager ones is where I'm saying there's stuff for every you have a lot of little ones I know the women I know the parks I know the legs I know all that I don't have babies the police are on that there have been wilding quote
unquote wilding incidents in Edison and we're very cognizant of that here for our tourism in this county and in our in our place here at home and uh the police are on it. This is a police reforce with a lot of a police force not only a lot of experience but a lot of academic capital and a lot of
certifications. So I know they are on it because I speak with them about these things. So no no I believe it. I'm not questioning that. I just want to you know again don't forget maybe the seniors they can do things for seniors. I'm going to stick up for them until the I'm blue on the face with that. Of
course, but the kids that unfortunately do get in trouble or get caught, they go before juvenile conference. They don't even go before the municipal judge because most of them are minors and they do have to make restitution most of the time for the damages that they've caused. We get a lot of damage in our
parks. We really do. The bathrooms get hit really, really hard. I mean, you know, our officers can tell you that. So, there is restitution and there is community service and you're limited to what you could do for community service. You just can't go and help a senior. Okay. Okay. So, so they can paint the bathroom, though. Well, they could have
to paint the bathroom. They could have to pick up litter. They could, you know, have to, you know, go to the parks and help pick up and you're limited to what they can do by law. So, you know, um, you know, because they're minors. I know. Where is it written though? What they can and can't do by law. Do you
know where that is? Judges. Oh, I should ask you. Come on. Yeah. Just help me out. I don't know the answer to that. Well, there are child labor laws. So, and laws and pio and pa laws. So, the mom and dad, what about the mother and
the father? What what do they do? That's a good question. What the mom and dad does and that's part of the reason why you have the problem to begin with. He's not going to show up here now. Ask Tyler. Tyler will tell you what we can't do. He was in it. He had a mom and
dad lost. Exactly. Exactly. point out. So that's it. That's what I say. Sports is good. I just like to know some repercussions. I hate to say it, but I do like to know the repercussions between the parents and the kids. And if not, bring them down my way. I'll show them some. We do
have a few kids paying restitution right now. Can I see that? Can I do that committee? Oh, is it? There's a lot that goes on. Oh, okay. A lot that you're not supposed to know, right? That's exactly There's a lot of stuff that minors and it's also
there's hib laws. I don't know. I'm sure you know what a hip law is, right? So, we can't talk about a lot of stuff that goes on. Okay. But we That's okay. That's what I want to know. I want to know something. We have a lot of programs. Good. Okay. Just hold the parents responsible. Be really great.
They're not allowed to cut grass. No, they're not allowed to. Yeah. I I understand the parents are are again, yep, should be held accountable. Okay, that was it. That's harmless. Thank you. Have a nice holiday. Thank
you for everything. Come out for the parade. It's beautiful. I always come out. I I always help them over there, too. Good. Always. Thank you. Any other comments this evening, Ed Jarrett? Um, I just wanted to come in and kind of preempt because I don't want
to spend my summer in here, uh, coming to the meetings. You know, he already touched upon it about the mowing. I understand that completely. Uh, but we never got the answers of what is the plan for down at that park. Are we going to mow readily because we don't have any turtles anymore. You call turtle signs down. We were going to have meetings. We
were going to do things over the last two years. We had meetings. So, I haven't heard. Did you come to the meeting? I didn't get an invitation. We've been on the email list. I never got anything. We published it. We had published those. I wish somebody had just let me give you an update here. Yes, let let me know where we're at. We had a meeting um and Stan Hals was there
from us uh Barnett Bay partnership with his associate Bailey and they had highlighted a lot of ideas and there was a lot of interaction from the residents that were there. I mean yeah I mean well overund we all got asked whether we wanted to mow or not but that email list I wish it had told us to come to the meeting. I wish that would have used to
let us know the whole thing. So, we had to get some direction out of the D as what we can mow and what we can't mow. And it came to to the decision that we can do more than we're doing. Okay. Um, some of the permit requirements have expired. So, we came up with a plan. And part of the plan is is to remove some of
the invasive species that shouldn't be down there that come through the natural winds or the birds and the bees, right? So, we're going to be moving some of that stuff. We're going to mark out the plants that we're all going to move within the next week or two. Um Stan is going to help us mark out the invasive
species. We um got a price for a company to do it. I'm not paying that price for the company to do it. So, we're going to remove all of that inhouse ourselves. Um we're in the process of getting some orders together to order up some um flowers and plants that we're going to put into the flower garden. We're taking
out the turtle garden. We're going to regrade that and reed that. So, that will have grass in it as well. Okay. Um we're Mrs. Doyle is removing some of her plants that she wants to save and put onto her property and I believe u Mr. Bender was helping her this week do some of that and then we will be mowing some
of that and bringing that into line with the rest of the area. Okay. All right. Just again we got delayed because of the forest fire unfortunately and so now we're just trying to play catchup and doing you know some of those things but yeah there is a whole plan and it will
be more consistent mowing you know that was all part of it. Was there anything talked about? It was originally supposed to be lowlying. It was supposed to be lowlevel type planting. Well, we're going to So, is there any of the tall stuff that some people said, "I don't want to mow." Now, I've got stuff that's 12, 14 ft in front of our house. We can't even see the barnet light. And that's kind of why we moved there. The
water and the barnet light. I can't even see it out the bedroom window. I'd have to see what you had there. That might be one of those invasive species that's going to get. I don't know. It's getting bigger and bigger. But that's what I thought the meetings were going to do is kind of really let us know what was going to happen. We weren't going to go and identify plant by plant by plant, you know, and if something doesn't need to be removed, we're not going to remove
it because we want to make sure that the area is vegetated, but we were replanting the flower beds that come in there when you come in. We're going to do a little bit more flower planting, you know, to keep the the birds coming and the bees coming and the butterflies and stuff like that coming and less
maintenance to the area. And we were going to leave the grass a little bit higher so that it cut down on the geese traffic. Okay. All right. Well, I guess any are there any notes of any of those meetings or anything that was had all this stuff that was talked about? All this stuff was talked about at those meetings. All right. But is there any is
there any minutes of those meetings? Come to the community hall meeting. We didn't know about it. So when Mr. When Mr. Hails was there and he gave us a PowerPoint presentation? No, I didn't even hear about that. So that's just again there's a lot of people there. Yeah. So we must have missed it somehow. She might have been. The wife was there.
Yeah. Yeah. She was there for that meeting. She knew the whole instruction. She was there with Donna. All right. They were all there and they heard they we went through the whole thing of what we were going to do. All right. Yeah. Oh, I didn't wait on that so we can walk the site. Um he wasn't capable to do it
this week. So, we're waiting to go out there and we're going to mark out what needs to be pulled out and stuff like that. So, are we going to mow through the summer or we're just going to do it once in June and once in continual to keep it at a certain will get put onto the normal schedule? Sorry, I didn't want to waste any time that early meeting. Thank you. All good questions.
What is that schedule, Veronica? I don't know. We don't know right now. I didn't ask Rob what our normal schedule is to mow. I think we almost mow. And again, since we're going to keep the grass a little higher there, I don't think it will be mowed as much as Gilly Park and Hebrew Park where the playing fields are in Clo Park because I think we're mowing every 3 to 5 days there. It's going to
be a little bit longer because we want to keep the grass a little higher and we're going to raise the bed of those mowers. It's reasonable. We get everybody to put So, you're going to see it probably mowed at least every 7 to 10 days at a minimum instead of what we used to do. So, we'll see you in October. We'll see how the summer goes.
We'll see how it all looks and we'll see you in October. Thank you so much. Yes, sir. Mr. Bitnik. Mr. Bick, I just got to tell you tonight, last week you were over 18 minutes and I have to
You were very generous. We're going to It's the people's microphone, but Yes. I think I was last too, right? And we have rules we got to follow intentionally last fire away. Okay. Good evening, mayor, township committee members, Lacy citizens. First, I want to start off
with Memorial Day and I'm speaking to the members of our public who are going to be watching from TV. It's very important that our parents, the parents of our young children today, that they actually educate their children about what Memorial Day really means. A lot of
kids just think it's just a holiday. It isn't. my father, a highly decorated World War II veteran, fought so I could be up here speaking along with a whole bunch of other people uh and given our rights and our freedoms. And I think that, you know, it's good to go to
places like the Veteran Cemetery, which is where I will be. It it's a stark memory of all the people who either gave their life or fought for our freedoms. And I can't express enough to the parents in our community how important
it is that you educate your children about something like this because our country is in turmoil right now. And uh there's a lot a lot of young people hate America. I mean I read about it every day. They have they're fighting for
causes that they don't even begin to understand in foreign countries. The hatred is is is outrageous and it's kind of like we as a nation need to embrace the beauty of America. This is the one country where anything is possible in
life. You could be a popper and make yourself into a millionaire with drive, determination and focus. So we need to remember that and it's really really important and uh embracing that. So I just wanted to mention that to our parents out there who have these young kids. It's really really important.
Another thing, part two is um uh Mayor Cataro, I sent you a email on the 13th of May. Did you receive that email? I was out of the country on that day. I apologize for the You sent it to his his touchup account. Yes.
I listen, I'll respond to it in the morning. I'll call you in the morning. I mean, I just did not receive it for whatever reason. Okay. You did not see it. It was forwarded forwarded again. Yeah, because I never received any type of an
acknowledgement. So, um I had some issues with uh I have a new phone. I had some issues logging on out there across the pond, but uh I did get a lot. I don't recall Sam. We'll fix it tomorrow morning. Okay. Talk tomorrow morning. Is
your contact information in there? Uh well, yeah. Good. So anyway, uh moving on with that, uh the issue of the email was basically about my my frustration, unhappiness with the township committee and their position of
not saying anything about what's going on at our schools publicly by condoning it. Basically, that's my feeling is if they raise the taxes by 7 8 n 10% by saying nothing, you're actually condoning it. And what my concern about all of this is is that last year we had
a fiscal crisis in our community with a 10% tax increase that inflicted on our families. Now this year they were talking about 7 and a half%. That's still like 18% increase over two years. And you know, I have to say this, a lot
of people in their everyday life, we could plan before with the 2% cap, if this is going to be the way it's going to be moving forward, no one will be able to plan or adjust, especially people who are working on a limited
income. And so this is the reason why I feel it's important as the leaders of our community that you step out of this position of trying to stay neutral and that you actually go out there and say, you know what, um, we need to stay
within the 3.15% cap that we're legally allowed and just get to work and do the job and get it done. And yes, there's going to be pain. You know what? There's going to be pain with some of the stuff that our president wants to do with tariffs and stuff. It's just to get to where we need
to go. Sometimes there has to be pain. And parents need to understand this too. I've listened to all ends of the conversation. I mean, everybody wants everything. The pro problem is it's not possible. And the other concern that I had in the email that I sent to you is
that if we continue to allow the school to do this, there isn't going to be any money for the things that you're going to want to do because we're going to be so tight fiscally with the taxes constantly going up that there's only so much in the pie that you can you can take. So the issue too is that you need
to start getting out there and saying what I'm saying and and fight for the taxpayers in this town. And you know, I have to say this. If you aren't making enemies left, right, and center, you know, you aren't accomplishing anything
in politics. It is impossible to stay neutral and have everybody like you. What about your history? When you leave, what are people going to think about you in the future? I want to I want to respond to that. I appreciate that because now I know the gist of what your email is. We'll have another conversation tomorrow morning.
I don't take anything lightly. And what I said on January 1st, this is the third time I've been sworn as mayor. I stand up for the people. I'm not too good at laying down. I speak my my heart. Sometimes a disconnect between my heart and my brain, but that's the way I'm cut. That's the cloth I'm cut from.
That's how I'm dialed in. Last time we spoke, it was May 7th. I'm going to tell you in a minute about May 8th, the next morning, I got a call from one of the schoolboard folks. I was on the phone with her for 22 minutes. Mhm. And I will tell you, so last I did say some things
on the meeting May 7th when we all last met and you and I spoke and I told you some ideas that I had for the school. The longer this goes on and the more hikes there are on the schoolboard side, the more people that are going to start to agree with you. You're going to have
that on your side because we're talking about money. And when you talk about money, people pay attention. I said to you, I don't I don't miss foot around around these issues. What I said to you was schools need to be
accountable. We don't want or need to be in a lower cortile. We want our school scores to be higher. We want accountability if we're going to spend people's money. I'm being as clear as I can be here. I said this before. So, I'm not playing a safe line. There's going
to be people that don't like what I'm saying. I am up for reelection this year, but I've always been here to defend what's right and accountability is right. It's right for you. It's right for me, this township, and our schools. So, what I said to the to um
the colleague that I spoke with on the phone after speaking with you at the meeting on May 7th, I was on the phone with her on May 8th, and what I said was in so far as accountability, if you're going to take the folks money from our town, tell them what you're going to do. Post it on your website. Number two,
leverage your website. You have about 4,000 kids roughly or a few few hundred less in the schools. Monetize that footer on that website. Send it out to those families. Not just the kids. It's all the families. 3.2 kids, 2.3 kids, a mom, a dad, different extended family,
right? All around. There's opportunities more so than a a threefoot heart vinyl banner uh from a company that around the circumference of the field, the football field. So, there's opportunities. I've said that to you last week. I'm being as
clear as I can this week. Everyone can hear this. This will go on a loop. I'm not going to sit and badmouth our schools or muscle my good colleagues because they're taking a lot of heat and they they do work hard. And like Mr. McDonald said, some of these things are
nuances. Some of these things are difficult. We will have a new governor. You're going to see some change, but I don't know what more you want. I've been very viciferous. I have I have I have some ideas of what I would do if I were the mayor. One of them was I would have
been doing this a month ago. I would have been calling the Ocean County superintendent especially which I did quite frankly. Um and I would have spoke to her and I would have just said you have to realize whatever decisions are being made which she's part of the decision-making process that it is going
to affect a lot of the households in our community in a very negative way. I had a very long conversation with her about the real nitty-gritty of what this will do to our town. Before, let me interrupt before you go on any Maybe you did talk to her. I don't know. I said, what I said to the school board person I was on
the phone with last week was we can't wait for another we cannot come back next May 6th at a nighttime meeting with the media in the parking lot and have an additional 10 or 15 or 17%. Start to do some of these things. We want we want
accountability. We want to improve performance. We want to be supportive in that process. Now, I don't know how much clearer I can be with you. Well, you could be very clear and just say do a budget within the 3.15% that you're legally allowed, which is the
law, sir. I mean, that would be the logical thing. And yes, there's going to be some pain. But you know what? Quite frankly, we have more problems than just fiscal issues in our schools. I posted a video, excuse me, that happened last June at a meeting and all you had to see
was from the audience of what is teaching our children and their behavior in public. We have serious issues that go way beyond just fiscal issues with our schools. It's this is just a matter of fact. But your assertion that I say
nothing and I do nothing, I disagree publicly I'm talking about, sir, doesn't get any more public than this. I know, but I want you to come out and say 3.15% is what we agree with for you know that that's what we think is fair for the citizens of our town. You did a 10% tax
increase last year. Now, this is as much as we can endure. I know you don't want to step into that element, but we need a leadership. Step nowhere. I'm in good shape. Okay. If if there's advocacy that needs to be done, I got I got it. So, say it. I got it
covered. What's the problem, Mr. Bob Lar? Do you have anything to say? You have anything to add? I I actually agree with everything Pete's saying and I agree with a lot of what you're saying. The one thing like especially like this year with the 3.1 cap, I don't
disagree with what you're saying. The thing is is the one thing I've learned up here very very quickly and I've sat on boards for a long time till you're on the other side of the desk. There's a lot of things you got to take into consideration before you spit something
out of your mouth or you react. And I would like to see no increase personally. Well, but that's not reality, right? It's like somebody asked me before I run, can you promise us lower in your taxes? I can say anything I want, but it's not realistic. Okay.
When dealing with an issue like this, it's deep. And it didn't just happen yesterday. That's correct. And I can't put a number on something until I seen everything come through. I know. And and the 7.47 or whatever it was that came out,
I'm not happy with that. I'm not happy with it at all. But with reacting and commenting, I do got to take all the information, you know, whether it's nuances like Tim said, whatever. There's going to be
things that everybody's got a different opinion. What's right, what's wrong, and there's a lot of issues. And like I said, I I I agree with a lot that's been said, been going on. I, you know, I go, like I say, I've attended pro meetings,
non-pro meetings. Uh, I hear the staff. I do not like the way they reacted to you at the one meeting. That was an a total embarrassment. And I'm not afraid to say that stuff. The one thing when I ran up here, I'm six going on 69 years
old. I don't need this. I know. Okay. Somebody said something to me today about making a decision. And I said, I don't care. When my term's up, I'm going to be 71. I may run, I may not. You may like me,
you may not like me. So, I don't have nothing to lose here. And the decisions, like you say, are not always going to be popular. But the one thing is is when you do sit here, and this actually goes into something that you've repeated,
why you don't run. Oh. Because you have more freedom on that side of the mic. Correct. Than we do. And that's something you say. So to sit there and hammer us for us not saying certain things. Well, you can on this issue, though. Well, that's you're you're
you're got to remember to others and this is another area I agree with you. We live in a wonderful country. We have a right to our own opinions, our own thoughts, our own agreements and disagreements. And with that, you're
going to say something might agree with I may something you might agree with. We may disagree, but that don't make it wrong or right. The one thing I've learned for 40ome years sitting on a board, the only way you move ahead in this life is be able to number one
understand what gray is. Everything's not black and white. Number two, if you don't have the ability to work with other people, do not run for office because you turn into what I refer to the federal government. You don't get
crap done. So, you have to listen, learn. We're gonna disagree. We're gonna try to work together. And that's why I keep hammering on the school board getting members on
there because to have this controversy which why it shocked me and basically pissed me off last year with nobody running. It wasn't like you had two school board members that see eye to eye to each other. You had oil and water
running last year. That's true. Those two do not get along. They do not see almost anything. But yet neither one could come up with a partner to run against them. That is an embarrassment to our community. And to come up here
and attack us for doing nothing, we're more on top of it than you might think. But we can all sit up here, all five of us, and say, "School board, we don't want to see you increase your budget by 3.1%." you know as well as we do. Even though
we could say it, like I say, I'd be happy with zero. Bottom line, it means nothing to them. They run that system whether we like it or not. The county superintendent, as we all know, is a
state employee. She's aware of everything you said, and I'm sure you didn't tell her anything new. She might not have wanted to hear it. Well, there were a lot of things that she didn't understand or know. She didn't even know the whole budget figures like I did when I was saying that she had approved. This
was some of the issues that we are dealing with. And that would be surprising because even at the school board meetings on how much stuff has gone back and forth between the school board and it's got to go to the county
superintendent. For them to say they don't know and it's the BA. It's the BA who makes the decision, not the county superintendent. Just to make that clear. They need to they need to correct their process. Give Mr. McDonald an opportunity. He wanted to say something. I just I just want to say that we got
noticed this week. I think it was uh isn't the magazine again to expect mid- teen mid- teens increases in the health insurance. Okay. So now that
was for the C that's for municipal the the the uh school board went back into the into the state. Don't know don't know what they're going to have. They just talked about the municipal side. But this is part of the problem is is health insurance is outrageous. We're
now paying almost $50,000 a year for a family. But that can be changed in contract negotiations. Sir, no it cannot. You don't have to you do not have to pay for the family. You don't have to pay for the family. The employee can pay for it. Look, it's a I know
about this. Okay. We do have contracts that have it that right. Right. Exactly. You're correct. And the school can do that also. What are we going to give up to get that? Well, if people are all going to lose their jobs, sir, you know, my whole idea that I had had, you know, this could have been resolved by the
suggestion that I had made, which would have meant one year with a 10% wage cut. Let me talk. No, no, let me finish. If people if you're going to lo 60 or 70 people are going to lose their jobs, right? And everybody talks about empathy in education. Oh, empathy. Except when
it comes to themselves if they have to give up anything. I'm just saying let's be honest about this. So if we cared about the village that they talk about all the time, right? Let's be let's be realistic about your about your 10%.
Okay. Would you agree to a 10% cut? cons. Let me I'm not done yet. Considering the financial stress that the Lacy School Board is under because there's a good chance you take the 10% cut, the following year you're going to lose your
job. I wouldn't do that unless I was guaranteed two things. I want to guarantee that for the next five years I don't lose my job. And two, if I want I want to go back to the original number that I had. Let's say it was 80,000. I went to 72. I would go back to the
80,000 and then the other step up that I want. I want to be made whole. Okay. But all those things and they can't do that. All the Well, so your your 10% sounds good, but when you really look at it, when you look under the covers, it's a no that's a non-starter. A union negotiation. A union can do a lot. It
can give up a lot. There's been no givebacks. I just want you to know from that union in years and years and years. It's been I'm not going to argue for the union. I'm arguing for I'm just arguing at your point. I wouldn't Would you do that? Would you would you give up 10% of your job if it meant I was if it meant I
was going to keep my job and I had been working there for 25 years. I'm just saying if it meant I was going to keep my job and I'm getting closer to retirement. Yes, I would do it. And you know what? I'm a little bit different thinking than you people. See, I do believe in the bigger picture. When you're a team member and you call
yourself a team member, sometimes we have to do things that are difficult. How many companies have done this? They have they you don't even have a union. They just basically say, "If you want to keep your job, you're taking a 10% cut." I'm sorry. These are uncomfortable things to discuss. But here's the here's
the difference. They have a contract. In the private sector, you usually don't have a contract. That's right. And you and now you're getting the contract law, which is the whole McGill. But the issue is is that anything is possible with union contracts. If the people can sit down and talk about these provided
provided the union wants to reopen the contract, they don't want to reopen the contract. It mean the issue is mute. Well, the unions their contract is up, by the way. Well, they can they can then try to negotiate that in. Well, they're going to I hope they're going to try to negotiate a lot of things into that contract. But the issue in about all of
this again too is that as I'm trying to say, you know, you say you can't say whatever as a citizen of our town. You could say, you know, the 3.15 is what we think is the ideal number for the school. That's all that I'm You can only say I for each one of them because not
get right. Exactly. And I understand that. Which I just did say. I want zero. I know. Well, we would love that. I mean, I'm I'm try to me the compromise is the 3.15 because that's the maximum amount that they're legally allowed to go to. I mean, let let's face it. So, I
want to leave on a comment and some people talk about uncompromising. Well, my political hero was a woman by the name of Margaret Thatcher. Margaret Thatcher was known for her
uncompromising abilities to get through and change a nation. And she literally did. And I'm going to read something to you because this is something that she kept in her notebook as a reminder of what she was doing. And I want you to
reflect on this because it's a poem by a poet, British poet. He was a charterous poet by the name of Charles McKay. You have no enemies, you say. Alas, my friend, the boast is poor. He
who mingled in the fray of duty that the brave endure must have made foes. If you have none, small is the work that you have done. You've hit no traitor on the hip. You've dashed no cup
from perjured lip. You've never turned a wrong to right. You've been a coward in the fight. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anything else for the good of the order this evening?
Hello, Linda Miller. Forket River. I could not I wasn't going to say anything, but everybody else did, so I don't want to be left out. You don't want to be left out. Jump in. Is your husband gonna speak, too? Uh, no. He's
he's just the driver. Yeah, he's my Uber driver. Okay. So, also I'm going to say as I hear raising taxes and limited income. Uh some are in in limited income. I don't believe that everybody's
income at this point right now is limited. So raising taxes in a time when things are limited, it affects every single family. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Second shot just real quick. Come on up, sir. Yeah, that's what Richard said. Andy Mas again. I just want to say thank you guys for answering my questions. I forgot to thank you. My apology. And Veronica, thank you for looking into that about the street. But you did say
something about geese at the park. Yeah. So what we're So instead of mowing the grass down to like let's say this height, we're going to leave it a little higher because the geese won't like that. Okay. I got to I got something to ask you though. There is you know the path that goes from the park all the way to the other end down to Inland Road.
Well, the the geese like to have their duties on that pathway. Is there any way we can keep not I'm not against the geese. Is there any way we can keep them from going on that path? you figure it out and let me know. I'll do it because I'd like to keep them out of my backyard. I I'll make something if you want. I have I have a cement on my
backyard, you know, because it looks because once cuz when they get when they get gathered now, they got their babies now. It's it's all it's loaded. It's like their dumpster. I get it. And you can't walk anymore. Backyard's the same. So, okay. I'll think of something. I'll let you know. All right. Thank you guys.
Happy Memorial Day and have a good weekend. Thanks. Anything further for the good evening? Seeing none, motion to close the floor. Second. I just have one thing to read. I forgot to mention this. Next Saturday from 12
to 5 at the high school, our Lacy Township Police Department presents the bicycle safety rodeo. I wanted to make sure I got that in there. There'll be lots of stuff going on there. There's going to be a BMX stunt show. So, make sure if you have children interested in
bicycling, any of that, get them over there from 12:00 to 5:00 next Saturday at the Lacy Township High School and it's being presented by our Lacy Township Police Department. Thank you. Thank you. Motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I. No further
business. No further business.