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followed by a moment of silence. >> Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>> Item one, Girl Scouts of the Jersey Shore. Is there anybody here? So, I'm going to kick this over to Committeeman Keruto. >> Uh, thank you, mayor and committee, just for this short time. Um, just wanted to
recognize the Girl Scouts of the Jersey Shore who have not only been wonderful in our community, but all around the county. Give them a certificate of appreciation tonight. Uh, they were uh instrumental in helping our countywide community health improvement plan. And that does
enable us uh to uh have and not only know what our communities look like demographically, geographically, but it helps us uh dole out resources to our seniors, our girls, everyone from our seniors to our school children. So, if you could say your name and just a short
statement about uh your mission at the Girl Scouts and what you want to say here tonight. Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you so much for having us tonight. My name is Heather Coburn. I'm the CEO of the Girl Scouts of the Jersey Shore. We serve uh 7,500 girls across Mammoth and Ocean counties and have
about 4,000 adult volunteers that help us serve our girls. Um and we have a very simple mission and that's building girls of courage, confidence, and character who make the world a better place. I'm sure many of you know Girl Scouts for cookies, but it is so much more than that. It's about the life
skills, leadership skills, and trul truly giving back to the community and community service that we're trying to build. So we do appreciate any opportunity to be able to talk about Girl Scouts and any opportunity to partner with the community and teach the girls how they can partner and give back. So thank you so much.
>> I did I took the liberty of uh reaching out to our superintendent to give you forum and uh try to increase the census for the Girl Scouts because it's important for uh young girls as are the Boy Scouts. Very important. And uh I know he may not like this, but our
committeeman to my right, his son is an Eagle Scout and he's this is a good guy right here. And he's he's got an Eagle Scout and uh we did have a young lady up here not too long ago who had a gold award. So we're just really proud of our scouts and we know how much work goes
into it with the parents. So uh we do have a certificate of appreciation. Appropriately, it should be the mayor, our good mayor, Mr. Kennet. You can go. >> There's a picture with you. Thank you. >> Come on up, sweetheart. Picture with the
mayor. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Thank you, mayor. Item two, bond anticipation note sale. >> Uh, annually the tangible lacy uh is
required by law to um recast the bond anticipation notes. We do this every May. On May 4th, we uh recasted the the bond anticipation notes which we have bonded including this year's bonding in the amount of 20,377,000.
We uh CD and Company is the nominee that um has received uh offered the best interest rate at 3.5% per annual payable at maturity. Um again, this is recasted again in May of 2027.
>> That it update. >> Um item three, discussion regarding data centers. So I'll take this one. So um uh last or a couple weeks ago, I was on a I get invited to a lot of Zoom calls. Um and I the Pinelands Alliance had a uh
Zoom call just to uh offer offer information for data centers and it was the Zoom call is for Pineland's mayors. So Vacy Township is we're you know a lot of property in Pinelands. So um the purpose of putting this on the agenda
was to um just have let have all my colleagues you know get the um PowerPoint presentation and go through some of the the the data that they were providing. A number of towns are starting to ban um data centers. This is specifically regarding west of
the parkway. Nothing east of the parkway. So um I don't know if anybody wants to make a comment on it. We don't have to do anything. It's just giving information. But this is specifically for west of the Parkway to ban data centers. >> So comments
public comments now or this is just caucus. We're not um but we're not voting on anything. This just is a discussion amongst us. >> Well, I guess what we could do is uh again if you go on to the Pelines Municipal Alliance website that the um PowerPoint is there besides what I provided to you in your packets. So I'll
add the the the reason this so right now data centers are not allowed there's not much allowed west of the parkway that doesn't mean somebody can't try to get a variance and and build something west of the parkway. So this is if we were to
take action on something like this, some other pine m uh municipalities are it's basically just to um uh you know sort of cement the fact that we're not looking to put data centers in on Pineland's property. It would be extremely hard and
rare if they were able to, but I've talked about this many times from this position. You have to make decisions sort of now that are going to affect land use like 10 years down the road. So, I'll leave it up to we can table it for now if everybody wants to research it further. >> We're not going to really do anything
other than this just a discussion and let everybody learn about it. >> I really think um Mr. Mayor that best thing to do right now is table it because we only found out about this the last couple days, >> right? >> Uh before 7 o'clock this morning. I
don't even do social media and I was apprised of all the chatter on social media. So, people are reading a lot into it. It doesn't take a brain scientist to figure out where people most people stand on this, but it's like
anything. We'd be dismissed if we didn't look at all the research and learn a little bit about it. >> And again, I'm not in favor for a lot of lot of things like this, but it's brand new to us. Our due diligence would be to take the
time, listen to the research. We don't have to read it, but you put us up here to make a decision along with your blessing. And I really think we should table it. So, uh, >> because a million questions, even
>> whether we're pro, con, however we think about it, are going to come at us. There's no doubt. I'm guessing half this room might be in here for that. We don't know the answers. We haven't had the time to consume this yet. >> So, don't be afraid. So yeah. So just
again specifically this is specifically for property west of the parkway. Nothing else. That's it. West of the parkway. >> I just I think we should let them know that they have to they they can't ask questions or speak to us until we're done with this part. And once we're done then you're welcome to put your hand up
and come up to the microphone and speak. Okay. Just so you know. >> Okay. Item four, discussion regarding radar speed signs. we have received um through various um different communities in um the township with regards to
speeding on our roads. I think we can all agree that there's a lot of speeding on a lot of our roads. Uh so uh if you've noticed on Lake Barnet Drive north in the Cranberry Hill section about two years ago, we had installed some speed radar signs there. Um did it work? Doesn't it work? I I mean, you
know, it it's everybody's opinion, yes and no. Uh so there's been a push for additional radar speed signs throughout the community. There's various different levels of radar speed signs that you can get um that you know are various different um prices. So you know you can get the high-end ones which are you know
20,000. You can get the low-end ones which are 15. Then some go down to 9, others go down to 4,800. Some go down to 4,000. So, the mayor has um asked us to to investigate and we did and we've got several prices for several different types of signs and he would like us to decide whether or not we're going to
install them on the roads and some type of policy like are we going to put them on every feeder road like so your feeder roads would be um East Lacy Road, Sunrise Boulevard, Nautilus, Laurel, uh Lake Barnagate Drive South, you know those types of roads. >> So, go ahead.
>> Or or are you going you know what are we going to do? My so my suggestion is this is a constant problem throughout town is that they should at some distance uh some length or the the the number should only go on streets with traffic signals that are the true main arteries through
the residential areas. That way we minimize the you can't put them up all over the place. So it's just to create a craft the policy. We again we don't have to talk we don't we're not voting on anything tonight. It's just I guess do your homework think about it. But that would be my suggestion is to only put them on roads that already have traffic
lights. They're the they're the major, you know, feeder roads to Lacy Road and Route 9. >> Are these signs going to be movable? >> They're the flash to flashing >> permanent permanent solar ones that flash the speed signal. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Um >> being aware of this and living on one of
these wonderful roads uh that everybody speeds past the house. Um with traveling around the county and different things like that, I've noticed a lot of the radar signs. And this is just a little information for my fellow colleagues. I notice towns like Bricktown and Points
and Burrow have these radar signs which are on the less expensive. I'm told I can't use the word cheap professionally less expensive radar signs. And yes, you can tell they're not quite as uh elaborate as these other ones,
>> but they're very clear. They do the same function. So, it's just something because I do believe we got an issue and we do need to put them on a lot of our feeder roads, but if we can get three or four for the price of one, that that is a huge huge huge buy. And they work the
same way. And >> uh all the ones I've seen were solar powered, so it's not even like we got to get electric to it, >> right? >> Good. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Can I ask a question? >> Not at the end. Public comment. >> Public comment. Public comment time. I
support what uh what the mayor and the deputy mayor said. I'm all for public safety. You have to have a policy because they can't be on every road if it was an inexpensive alternative dovetailed with enforcement. Uh and it was something that we could
put near uh major thorough affairs where we know people are cutting through. Um and frankly in our summer months a lot of out of town and out of state people are cutting through and they're speeding. So, if we could do that, dovetail it with enforcement as well as
uh have um an inexpensive or a little bit of less expensive alternative that could do some of the same things that Deputy Mayor Larry was talking about in the other towns, Point Burrow, Brick, um and on the roads with the traffic lights. I wouldn't be against that, Mayor.
>> Thank you, Pete. Anybody else? the portable ones that we have with the police department, the trailer that does also capture data. So, we can actually get um real-time data as to what what it is because again from the human eye, it sometimes looks like a car is going a lot faster than it is, especially now that the windows are open and we're
outside. So, we are capturing data in those areas when we are putting the signs. We have more requests for signs than we do the signs. So, we are trying to, you know, go on a rotating list. My mayor, if I may, um my concern here is uh with regards to the school busing,
and they're not busing as much as they were in previous years. Where the kids are walking to schools, >> I think would be paramount that we put these speeding signs >> agree >> there. 100%. >> All of those roads are county roads. So,
>> well, we got to get the county with >> their permission. Yes. >> Yeah. With their permission. But I think that's the smart way of doing this. >> Okay. And I'm sure we're all in agreement to >> Yeah. >> Beat the county up over it. >> Yeah. Let's beat them up. >> Beat them up. >> Maybe they'll pay for them, too. >> All right. Item five, request for
windphone. Miss Bonfonte, do you want to >> Yes, please. >> Come on up. >> Uh, yeah, probably. I should have slid that back. >> Bring that back over there. Thanks. I'm pretty loud so I can >> um I don't really know what to say.
Should I >> just explain highlight the program that you're looking to do? >> So, what I'm looking to do is put a wind phone at Deerhead Lake Park um um on the beach. Um I already have the house built
um generously donated by somebody who's local, who's a contractor. I also have the phones to put into it. Um, I did send you guys the information about what the phones actually do. >> Can you explain what that is? >> Absolutely. Um, so it is a non-connected
to any earthly system old school rotary phone that you can put in a peaceful place where people who are grieving can come and call their, you know, quote unquote call their loved one whether they want to say something that they didn't get a chance to say or they want
to tell them about it, you know, their day, whatever. Um, I don't want to speak for everyone in the town, but I feel like I can say that we as a community have lost a lot of lives in the last two years. Um, especially children. My
17-year-old son, Daniel Watkins, included in that. And, um, I think it's really important that our families plus our community has a place, especially the kids too, have a place to go to that maybe they can call their friend or their son or their daughter. So, you
know, it's it's really important to me and I've done a lot of research. I tried to make it as least expensive >> as possible to the township. Um >> Yeah. So, it it literally >> you'll maintain it and
>> I will maintain the the wind phone itself if anything gets broken on it. Yes. Um >> and you're getting a bench donated to it. >> I am I'm going to raise the money so I can have at least two benches that half circle around it. Um, so people can sit there if they wanted to sit and reflect.
Um, and the only thing that the township would have to do is what they're already doing anyway on the beach, which is cleaning up around it. >> I was just going to say because you you've been in contact with Taylor and public works. >> Absolutely. >> For an area to have this done. >> I spoke with Taylor.
>> I remember reading reading about it and a little bit of discussion and uh >> I think it's a wonderful idea and I think it's something we should definitely get behind. Everybody okay? >> I'm fine. Yes, I just think it's an excellent idea. >> Yep. Thank you very much. >> Thank you for Thank you all.
>> Thank you. >> Request to post signage. Rotary Club of For River Doggy Derby event. >> Doggy Derby is June 7th um at the uh Jones Road Field. They like to post their um lawn signs throughout the community. They need permission to do that. Um, and I do also believe they
would get representation the day of the event um, for their judging of I think the most liked most look alike to the owners and maybe I don't know if they do the best kissing anymore or not with the dogs. So that's also in June 7th um, at 113 at the at the Jones Road Field.
Otherwise, do we have permission to post those signs? >> Yes. Motion Peggy move second. >> All right, Mr. Um, special use permit. Jersey course Jersey Jersey Shore car shows the fast and furiest car and truck show on 62726. >> Right. The Jersey Cor the Jersey Shore
car show is having an event at Murray Grove. They hold several of them throughout the year. It's Saturday, June 27th with a rain date on Sunday, June 28th from 7 to 3 in the parking lot since this is outside the scope of what is approved on their zoning permit. They need to get a special use permit. So,
I'm just looking for um in uh approval to move forward with this. Like I said, they've had several of them throughout the course of the couple of years and you can see the mapping. It has been reviewed by the police department and the zoning department. >> Second. All in favor? >> I mayor. Out of >> an abundance of caution, I'm going to
abstain from that. I'm a member of that car club and uh they're going to be probably adopting some dogs from the county health department where that is my employer as well. I have no financial interest, but we wish them very well and I'll attend the show. Thank you, Pete. >> Thank you.
>> Last item, request for storage trailer extension, 502 Claremore Avenue. >> We received a request from 502 Claremore Avenue. Um they have had um since Hurricane Sandy quite a time trying to get their house back into order. They are have several um trailers, camper,
etc. on their property. Um we have received a lot of community um complaints about the condition of the land and the property and they are looking to continue to extend the and reopen their zoning permit that will afford them additional time to um get
the house in order and remove the uh trailers and the camper on that property. >> How many extensions have we given them? Do we know? >> Well, this has been going on since Hurricane Sandy. So, >> but again, some of some of the Hurricane Sandy extensions were automatic by state
law. Um so you know again they they are they finally have received additional funding that they needed to put the house into order and to get um everything that they needed um on this. >> How long are they asking for Veronica? >> By the end of 2027
>> a year and a half that's two >> that's 13 years after Sandy >> 90 days and we'll see what happens. I was just going to say 90 days 90 days I think is it >> mayor if I can make a suggestion. We we're getting a lot of these lately and we have to look at the beautifification
of the town and balance that with the usability of our residents. When we get a um a request for one of these trailers, let us know what number extension it is. >> Yeah. >> If it's the second, third, or fourth >> going back 12 years with sand
automatically the zoning department is able to extend for two extensions. So you get a initial one for 30 days and they're allowed to give two additional 30 days. >> So by the time it comes to us we're already >> we're already at 90 days. Yes. Yes. So we're >> I and I would also like to know I mean
if you're remodeling that's one thing >> but if it's you had a fire in your house or a flood in your house that's a whole different ballgame and I would like to know on that. I think we you know you got a you got you had a flood in your house. >> Yeah. It's going to take a little while
to get everything pulled out and taken care of and get the insurance involved and stuff like that. But if you just decided to, >> you know, redo your kitchen in your family room. >> I have, you know, you got 60 days to get it done. >> You got to start raining them in. Sunday was 12 years ago.
>> Well, I agree with both of you and the ones we've had recently, we have had good explanations of currents. This is the first one which I agree 12 years ago and it's still a shambles uh somebody's dragging their feet. Yeah.
>> And I think the right thing to do is like what was suggested to do 90 days and we're going to stay on top of this because >> that's it. >> That's crazy. >> The last couple even with the extensions we've been given reasons whether it's contractor whether there's been
additional problems. A lot of them that we've gotten in the last couple months have been weather related due to this winter. and let us know the number of extensions on the agenda. >> That's a legitimate >> like I said, you automatically know it's at least three and then it appears when you're looking at the approvals for some
of the um plumbing work and all that, the last time that they had permits and asked for approvals was 2015 and a lot of the Sandy stuff did allow things through 2024, but it doesn't look like that they've been back before the building department since 2015 2016. I
would tell I would also put on there we want to see some progress within 90 days for >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> No permission. >> It's not It's not fair to the neighbors and everybody else. >> Exactly. >> Okay. >> I have I have an add-on. >> Well, of course you do. >> Yeah.
>> So, um we have another uh a special use permit uh for the for in two weeks. It's called the uh Lions, Tigers, and Beers Popcorn Park Zoo. Forgot to ask. There's been some change in administration there and they forgot to put in. So, of course, they want approvals for their two-day event um from June 6th from 4:00
to 8:00 p.m. and Sunday, June 7th from 12 to 4 pm at the Popcorn Park Zoo. I think a few of us might have attended this in years past. It's a great fundraiser. It's a great way for the zoo to get um the word out about who they are, were there, and they've done a lot of changes there. So, can we have approval for them to have their lines,
tigers, and beards? Move it. >> Second. All in favor? >> Favor. I >> That's all I have. >> Okay. Motion to adjurnn. Sec. >> All in favor? Adequate notice of this meeting has been given in accordance with the open public meetings act pursuant to the public laws of 1975. Said notice was advertised in
the park press in a beacon and was posted on a bullet board showing the time and place of the meeting. >> Two seconds here. >> You're slowing down. You're slowing down. >> Rusty uh item one, first reading of ordinance
202612 amending chapter 93 of the township code entitled police department. In ordinance to the tancho lacy county of ocean state of New Jersey amending and supplementing chapter 93 of the township code entitled police department. This is for offduty police officer employment. What that means is so if you have JCPNL Kylie or a
contractor that needs police coverage um they pay the township um a fee to do that. So there was a typo in the last ordinance where we were um it said double time. I just needed to change that to overtime. that for emergency call-ins, a normal eight hours where you
you can schedule it in advance and officers shall be paid a minimum of $85 an hour. For emergency call-ins, it said double time at $100 an hour, but it's supposed to be overtime at at a minimum of $100 an hour. So, if a police officer isn't making that rate, they would at overtime rate, they would automatically
get the $100 an hour. That was first reading. Can we have a motion? >> Move it. >> Second. >> Um Oh, I have to do roll call. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. Berto. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano, >> yes. >> Mr. Laorray, >> yes. >> Mayor Kennes,
>> yes. Resolution 2026 179 approving the public display of fireworks. >> Resolution Township of Lacy County of Ocean State of New Jersey approving the public display of the Lacy Township annual fireworks in accordance with the guidelines of the state division of fire safety. This is an annual resolution that we need to do um as per the New
Jersey Division of Fire Safety. Our annual fireworks is July 3rd. this year with a rain date of July 10th and the funds were appropriated in the municipal budget. >> Move it. Second. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cerutoo. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laorray. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Kennes. >> Yes. Resolution 2026180 authorizing an emergency contract for the reconstruction of a bulkhead. >> Resolution Township Lacy County Ocean State of New Jersey authorizing an emergency contract with T and K Marine Construction Inc. for the reconstruction
of a 175 ft bulkhead along with a drainage pipe on Saltspray Drive. Um based on the development that's going in on Saltspray Drive, it was uncovered that our bulkhead that protects the road and the drainage pipes there is in very very bad condition. So we are hiring a
contractor to do that and we did have additional funding left over in our um dock money from when we redid the south docks that we're utilizing to um pay for this bulkheading job. We got a very very good price at $108 $108,500
for that and it was a great price in comparison to other prices that we received. >> Move it. >> Second it. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Certo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kennes. >> Yes. Resolution 2026 181 rejecting all
bids received for the pole barn project. >> Resolution town of Lacy County State New Jersey rejecting all bids for the new poleb barn project at the department of public works. Uh the bids came in and exceeded the um budgeted amount. Um we only did receive one bid. So we are
reooking at our proposals and seeing if we're going to go out to bid again or if we're going to try to build it in house. >> Move it. >> Second. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes. >> Mr. Berto. >> Yes. >> Mr. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kenneth. >> Yes. Resolution 2026182
authorizing a change order with Easy Docks Unlimited, the South Docks project. Resolution Township of Lakes County should stand New Jersey authorizing the execution of an amendment to the contract with Easy Docks Unlimited for the Lakeside Drive bulkhead replacement project phases
three and four. This is a uh additional increase of $51,8208 for that contract. >> And remember, most of this was um paid for by the county through funding that they provided to us in the amount of $1.5 million. Mr. McDonald, you made the
motion. I second. >> Mr. McDonald? Yes, >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes, >> Mr. Pertolo. >> Yes, >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes, >> Mayor Kenn. >> Yes. Resolution 2026183 authorizing a chapter 159 in the municipal budget for the clean communities grant.
>> Resolution Township of Lacy County motion state of New Jersey providing for the insertion of a special item of revenue and appropriation in the 2026 municipal budget known as chapter 159 of the township of Lacy pursuant to NJSA 484-87. This is for the clean communities grant
program. We were not notified prior to the budget being introduced and adopted that what funds we were receiving from the clean communities program. In order to utilize those funds in the current year budget, you have to do a resolution known as a chapter 159 to bring them into the budget to utilize them. >> I move it. >> Second.
>> Mr. Juliano, >> yes. >> Mr. McDonald, >> yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lite, >> yes. >> Mayor Kennes, >> yes. Resolution 2026184, appointing an alternate member to the board of health. >> Resolution attached to Lacy County. A motion state of New Jersey appointing
Patricia Don Pierre as alternate number one on the board of health for the township of Lacy. >> Move it. >> Second. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Certolo. >> Yes. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kenn. >> Yes. Resolution 2026185
appointing a court administrator. >> Resolution Township of Lacy County New Jersey appointing Christina Deay as municipal court administrator for the township of Lacy. our current court administrator who has been with us for 41 years is retiring. Tomorrow is her
last day of work. Um so we need uh Christina Deay is currently our deputy court administrator. She went through a process of interviews with the um administrative office of the courts and she was the selected candidate to be appointed to replace um our current retirey.
>> Move it. >> Second. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Certo. >> Yes. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. And I wish Lisa nothing but the best in her retirement. >> And Mayor Cass. >> Yes. Resolution 2026186 authorizing the employment of seasonal
employees for the recreation department. >> Resolution at Township Police County of Ocean State of New Jersey authorizing the employment of seasonal employees for the recreation department. These are our summer camp and beach patrol individuals for the summer season for this year. >> Motion second.
>> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cutoo. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes. Mr. Laray. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kennes, >> I think I have to abain. Is it my daughter doing that? >> Yes, I'll abain. >> Resolution 2026187 authorizing the placement of a lean on
block 287 lot uh 2.21. >> Resolution Township Police County Motion State of New Jersey accepting the certification of the director of public works concerning costs incurred in the removal of debris and cleaning up of the property located on the vacant lot on Porter Court known as block 287 lot 2.21 21 and authorizing the placement of a
lean against said property for said cost. This is for landscaping and maintenance in the amount of $166.96. >> Second. >> Who made the motion? >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Curto. >> Yes. >> Mr. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes. And I still find uh our enforcement
and what these costs are back to whoever very very reasonable. >> They are. You can't hire a landscaper for that. >> Yeah. I'm I'm when I see these numbers, I'm like >> I would like to know what it really costs us to do that. >> It it is broken down we're losing money on >> it is broken down by the people that are
assigned there and the hours they have to log how long they're there, the type of equipment and you we we uh charge for the equipment, the gas, and the hours. >> It's a set it's a set fee, right? >> No, it's not a set fee. It's not a set fee. So again, you could do it one day, I could do it another day, and our our rates are different in salary. So it is
broken down that finite. >> So we're not losing money. No, we're getting exactly what our costs are. Yeah, >> that works. >> Yeah. And Mayor Kenneth was vote on this. >> Yes. >> Resolution 20 2618 authorizing the refund of an overpayment of liquor license renewal fees.
>> Resolution Township Lacy County State and Jersey authorizing a refund of an overpayment of liquor license fees to DFW. Two people came in and paid and uh one was by credit card, one was by check. So we have to refund $188. >> Move it. >> Second. >> Mr. McDonald's. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Pertolo. Yes. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kenneth. >> Yes. Resolution 2026189 authorizing the tax collector to prepare and mail estimated tax bills. >> Resolution Township of Lacy County State New Jersey authorizing the tax collector to prepare and mail estimated tax bills
in accordance with public law 1994 chapter 72. This is a precautionary method that we take uh every year just in case the state does not certify the tax rate because they have to certify the town, the school, and the county in order for us to timely mail the bills. if they're not prepared by a certain
peri not levied by a certain period. Um we have to send out estimated bills just like we did last year and then the other the the actual bills will be sent out sometime in August. I'm not sure if we're going to run into that situation. We're just preparing in advance. >> Move. >> Second. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes.
>> M Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cutollo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lat. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kennes. >> Yes. Resolution 2026190 authorizing the tax collector to refund a tax overp payment for block 837 lot 12. >> Resolution attach Lacy County motion
state of New Jersey authorizing the tax collector to refund a tax overp payment for block 837 lot 12. This is in the amount of $3,266.96. >> Move it. >> Second. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Certo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Juliano. >> Yes. Mayor Cass. >> Yes. Resolution 2026191 authorizing the tax collector to refund the tax overp payment for block 778 lot 11. >> Resolution Tash of Lacy County vote the state of New Jersey authorizing tax
collector to refund the tax payment uh to refund the tax payment for block 778 lot 11 in the amount of $1,350. They paid twice between February 6th and April 7th. >> Move it. >> Second. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Fertolo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes. Mayor Kenneth. >> Yes. Uh resolution 2026192 authorizing the tax collector to refund a tax overpayment for block 1901.17 lot 91. >> Resolution town of Lacy County, Rosha
State, New Jersey authorizing a tax collector to refund a tax overpayment for block 1901.17 lot 91 in the amount of $2934.65. >> Move. Second. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Curutoo? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Juliano? >> Yes. >> Mr. Laay? >> Yes.
>> Mayor Kennes? Yes. Resolution 2026 193 authorizing the refund of deposit monies. >> Resolution council of Lacy County state of New Jersey authorizing a refund of deposits held for the use for municipal facilities. >> Move it. >> Second. >> Mr. Laay. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Cutollo. >> Yes. >> Mr. McConnell. >> Yes. >> Mayor Kennes. >> Yes. Resolution 2020 2026 194 authorizing the payment of township bills. >> Resolution Township of Lacy County State of New Jersey. Authorizing the payment of township bills in the amount of
$2,825,541.95. >> Move it. >> Second, >> Mrs. Juliano. >> Yes. >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Curvolo. >> With Yes. With noted abstension number 5980. >> Hold on. Veronica. I have an extension
on T0035. >> Mr. La. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. Kenn >> motion to approve caucus meeting minutes of May 14th, 2026. >> Move it. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Motion to approve township meeting minutes of May 14th, 2026.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Motion to approve executive session meeting minutes of May 14th, 2026. >> Second. >> All in favor. >> Adams. >> Of course, everything's going to happen in this meeting.
>> So, resolution 196. It's a resolution of the township of Lacy County of Ocean State, New Jersey awarding a contract for the purchase of one 2026 Ford utility interceptor vehicle to All-American Ford. Um at the previous meeting, we had awarded um the purchases of vehicles to another uh Ford
dealership for the police department. Unfortunately, they're not able to get it. All-American has um a a car on site ready to go. So, we are purchasing it through All-American um for the interceptor in the amount of $48,92110.
Motion move it. >> Mrs. Juliano, >> yes. >> Mr. McDonald, >> yes. >> Mr. Certolo, >> yes. >> Mr. Laorray, >> yes. >> Mayor Kennes, >> yes. >> The second one again is resolution uh 197. It's a resolution town of Lacy County, Ocean State, New Jersey, awarding the contract for the purchase of one 2025 utility interceptor vehicle
to Wow. Granolini Motors. Uh again, this is the same situation. We were purchasing three of them um and we are now shopping around trying to find where we could find another one and we found a second one um at $44,995 and it is uh the 2025 model.
>> Second, >> Mr. McDonald. >> Yes. >> Mr. Laorray, >> yes. >> Mr. Certolo, >> yes. >> Mr. Juliano, >> yes. >> Mayor Kenn, that is all I had to add on. >> Yes. Okay. Before uh comments from the public, a lot of people came here late. So again, if you're here for the data centers, it was a we had a conversation
specifically for property west of the parkway. They're already not allowed. This was just to maybe take the further step of banning them. So having said that, we'll take questions. >> You have to come up. You have to come up.
>> Yes. >> Just state your name. >> Uh Brian Sedern, 315 seed. Uh for the past two and a half decades I've worked for an NFMU. Um so I've spent the better part of the last 25 years in and out of a data center. Um can I get a copy of
that presentation that we're given that that you got? >> It's right on the Pelines Municipal Alliance um website. Oh, the whole presentation is right there. >> That's all I want to get. >> Yeah. So So it's there and even the ordinance that would potentially um we would potentially consider to ban them
um in the Pineland. So it is there. If you can't find it, just email me and I'll get that to you. Can you spell your last name for me? >> Yeah. C I D E R N. >> C I D what? >> E R N. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> State your name. >> Marty Hastings. I'm electrical
mechanical engineer. Actually I've been working for Equinex for the last 34 years which is largest data center in the world. So, one good positive thing I'm just want to speak to the community, but one good thing about it is I know everybody's worried about
>> address us. Address us. >> I know everybody's worried about water usage. Everything's refrigerant based now these days. Everything's high density built-in rack cooling. Everybody's worried about electrical usage. What we're doing is we're building um infrastructure say for
100 megawatt site and we'll actually add additional 40 megawatt and put it back on the grid for the community. So all I'm asking is just people do the research >> and learn about data centers. I've been doing this for like I said 34 years and uh if you guys ever need a resource let
me know. I appreciate coming >> since I saw this I did a little research. >> Talk to us about the noise. >> So what you guys are hearing about the QTS building at west. >> I I just said that it could be noisy and I'm not going to refer to anyone. So,
there's a state requirement that you have to be under 60dB ratings at literally 200 yards away from the building. Anything that exceeds that um has to be approved by the state and the township. So, for them stating about
noise restrictions, there's things out there called sound barriers, noise barriers, blankets, uh they they put up fencing types to reduce that noise. But again, I actually run the whole east coast of the United States for the company and um we don't have any
problems at all. It actually brings lowers taxes. It actually brings revenue to the town, brings jobs. >> It does. It does. >> So the they actually contribute to the town with uh say because one of my sites is in Sukakus. That's where I travel
every day. But um they're actually give back to the township's utility at a lower rate actually because we actually purchase bolt power say 100 megawatt site we actually get it for 8 cents. We give it back to the community at 8 cents opposed to the 22 cents that you guys
are paying or 27 cents. >> I just want to make >> you quoted one of my favorite quotes that I say at a lot of these meetings when there's uh issues up. listen and learn. And that's why I wanted to table this because there's a
lot to listen to. There's a lot to learn and we got a lot of questions. So, that's the one thing I will agree with you tonight on because there's two sides to every coin. and to do us all justice
anytime, whether it's this type of issue or even something on the ballot, listen, learn, and make the best decision that best affects you. But instead of forming opinions on misinformation, let's try to
get as much information out there as possible because I know that's why a lot of people come out tonight and we just got hit with this. So that's why I say, you know, we're going to get hit with questions. We don't know the answers. We don't even know enough about it. And appreciate anybody that comes
up, but also at the same time, we got to really research the real research behind this. >> Thank you. One last thing is I just want to give you guys uh the reason why our rates are going up in the state is not because of the data centers but it's actually because when they closed down
this nuclear facility down the road we lost 650 megawatt of utility which was sustain the state of New Jersey and actually could power the whole state of New Jersey. We would be self uh sufficient. So what we do currently I'm
sure you guys all aware we actually buy from Pennsylvania. We buy it from Virginia and we buy what from West Virginia to support our needs, the New Jersey residents. We don't support ourselves. So that's all I have to say. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um >> there's a young lady standing up already. So let's get
>> State your name, please. >> Sean Judson. Okay. So as for the We all know that the Pinelands are protected, so nothing's going to be built out there. >> What we're hearing it's going to be built at a site for Wister Creek. >> So again, Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Thank you. So I want to make a suggestion to all of you. Go te talk to the people in Texas, in Georgia, and many other states that are talking about how their water is drying up. Their power grid is
power going up. All these data centers are using it and we're going to have a lot of problems. So I suggest that you go call all these other different states and talk to them. The Rio Grand right now is drying up because they're using that water. There's a town in Texas that
they're completely closing down because the water turned to mud. There's a town in Georgia, same thing. The water turned to mud. I'm just telling you, you need to do all that checking. Okay. And then on a second note, I want to say I witnessed a horrific accident on
um Lake Barnagget and um Hannes yesterday >> and it was horrific. But I have to say the police officers and the EMTs were great. >> Thank you very much. >> Just again another comment there. There's
so there hasn't been any any nothing has been proposed for the power plant property. Um there's a process that they have to go through. They're still decommissioning the plant. So there's been no proposals for anything at the power plant. So next.
>> Hello. >> Hi. >> My name is Caitlyn Alop. >> What's your last name? >> Caitlyn Alop. A L L S O P P. Uh I grew up in this town. I'm here on behalf of my parents who still live in Forkid River and have been dutifully paying their mortgage for 25 years here. They
are unable to be here because my dad wakes up for work at 4:00 a.m. uh to pay that mortgage and my mom is ill right now. I'm also here on behalf of my brother that just bought his house this year and um achieved his American dream. He cannot be here because he is on active duty in Texas serving our
country. So, um I am here to log uh my approval for a ban and my disapproval for uh any and all data center construction in our town, whether it's on the west or the east side of the parkway. Uh thank you. So, across the country in
Virginia, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and others, residents quality of life is being destroyed by data centers built in their towns. And it can't happen here. Data cent's massive energy consu uh consumption distorts the flow of energy electricity to homes, increasing the risk of electrical fires and blackouts that cause food and
insulin to spoil. Without laws to protect the consumers from paying these for expensive upgrades to the power grids necessary to accommodate massive data centers energy demands, residents of Lacy are going to be on the hook for the big tech energy bill. A study by Carnegie Melon University projects electricity bills to increase 8%
nationally. Where I live is literally named after the river that flows through this town. We are made up of a network of rivers, creeks, bays, lagoons, lakes, ponds, and other water sources that our community and local economy rely on for fishing and recreation. AI data centers require extensive usage of our fresh
water. An investigation in Virginia by business insider found that the largest data centers facilities were permitted to use more water a day than you might expect 49,000 Americans to use. In one day, an AI data center in our town will consume more fresh water than all of its residents. This fresh water cannot be
reused in AI data centers. It is discharge for our treatments facilities. Municipal municipalities all over the countries are already struggling to handle the high volume increase of waste water produced. This does not benefit our economy. It is a net drain on our resources and quality of life. AI data centers are not a reliable source of
permanent jobs for our community. The majority of our construction jobs that last anywhere from 1 to three years. With permanent employees ranging as few as 25 to 150 permanent workers. Residents everywhere are waking up to AI data center construction. many of them too late with constant noise driving away wildlife and property and those
barriers are really ugly. So that's not really a great um uh solution. So uh this negatively impacting the enjoyment of homes and property really uh and nearby rivers and estuaries are drying up. The local economies are destroyed and their local residents are unable to get any return on their property
investment with no one coming in to buy these homes. So thank you for sitting on this committee. Um, you are here to protect our interests as residents and please don't sell us out to big tech. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> State your name. >> Steve. Steve. One second.
>> Kate. Kate. >> Hi. >> I thought that was you. and >> and you didn't tell me you were going to be here. >> I want everybody in here and even on the
TV cuz cuz these are all taped and I know there's a lot of passion in this room and the whole bit and we all keep saying it. One of the secrets to us all moving together, moving forward together is people getting involved, their passion, their volunteerism and
everything else. I personally know Kate. I know how passionate she is with She drove in from Pennsylvania to be here today because that's WHAT and I kept looking at her. I'm going, "What? Why is she here?" But I forgot where her parents live and I know her
brother just got a house. But this is an example of what we need because believe it or not, outside of my sister, we're all old up here and we need >> Thanks. >> That makes you older than me, Pete. >> You're older than I am.
>> Well, none of us are young. Let me put it that way. >> Speak yourself. >> In the mind, we are. >> I'm young at heart. >> Yeah. But anyway, but it shows what we need. We need the young people to be involved. Do the research. because there's a lot to learn because the
decisions we do make you know even the last couple meetings if you watch it I know we've been getting blamed for the 30 40 year old history that was made down the road we weren't here you can't change history you can only
move forward and you got to look at individuals like this and other young people that are getting involved listen let's put the efforts where it is because you But the decisions we make today affect tomorrow. So we need people that are going to be around tomorrow
helping us make the decisions of today. And Kate, I want to thank you for traveling this way. Thank you for uh me realize I'm sitting there going, what is she doing here today? Because I I know where she lives, but uh thank you for coming out and I know by knowing you
that everything you said was from your heart. That's what you believe. Thank you. Heather, state, state your name. >> Heather Spang. Another long time. I actually came out here really curious and I thank you, Mr. Kenneth, for bringing this up early because I was b I
was not born in Bamber, but I was raised in Bamber and I still live in Bamber. My husband has lived on the same road for his entire life. Okay. Um, we I came here curious and I came here to ask a question. Uh, Mr. Laorray, you said you want to do your due diligence. I'm
curious. Can you go visit one? Can you see if it's as loud and as bright as everybody's saying? Um, and I was going to say that before I knew that it was going up in my backyard, right? So, I would hope that people now that it's not going up in your backyard, like, come protect my backyard, right? Um, I don't
think that it will happen in the Pinelands because it's so protected, but money speaks louder than the trees, right? So, it it definitely absolutely could happen. Um, I really just wanted to say go visit one some things that I jotted down as other people got up here.
Um, with the electricity right out in Bamber, we lose power a lot, right? Can our infrastructure actually handle this? And then you brought up about it being discharged back into the water treatment systems. I'm on a septic and a well. We don't have a water treatment system. So
maybe we will get a tax benefit from the data center, but what about the infrastructure that it's going to cost to plug this thing into the system that it needs to be plugged into? Because if you're looking at west of the Parkway, that infrastructure is not there and what is there is not going to be able to handle this. >> That's right. >> And that's really all I've got for now.
I thank you for bringing it to our attention so that we can look into it. I'm going to rally the call out in Bamber. And I hope that everyone else, again, I was here to help you. I hope you're here to help me, too. >> Thank you. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> Just please state your name. >> Sure. >> My name is Teresa Barry from Nihal Drive
in Forood River and I have some comments about data centers as you might guess. >> Um I just think that any ordinance that we come up with uh ought to include all of Lacy, not just one portion of it. that's already pretty protected under
the Pinelands uh organization. But I think we need to look at the entire the entire township, not just that. And I think we should um take some action soon because in some of the towns in uh
Pennsylvania, there's they're getting things like um warehouses approved and then they're retrofitting them and putting them as, you know, I'm going to put in a power plant. I'm going to put in a data center and I'm storing all
this in my warehouse. And so it's it's sort of it's going in uh under disguise of a warehouse. And I think we have to be cautious that no one does that to us. Um and data centers can evaporate half a million gallons of water a day.
Just evaporate. And that's not even the cooling part that we would need um you know to be part of that system. But it when it hits that um HVAC system or the cooling air, it's got to be evaporated and it's up to 500,000 gallons and we're
talking clean water. Um so in that case, you know, you'd be looking at possibly depleting the groundwater, which could affect the pineelands even miles away. And the other part of this is it could cause, you know, the groundwater
contamination that's in place now at Oyster Creek that's under control could become uncontrolled if you start depleting the groundwater. So I think we have a lot of things we have to consider. Um the energy power that that they would need, I mean they would need
either their own power generation facility. Um and so that's another level of it. But, you know, as a previous speaker mentioned, you know, taking a look at some of these systems that are already in place and there's already problems. They have thermal loads. Um,
they're affecting um not just the noise that you can hear, but there's micro sounds that are affecting all of us and it can cause health effects. So, I think, you know, there's a lot of it that has to be looked at, but we just have to be cautious that no one kind of
slips in uh with a permit application for a giant warehouse and then tries to convert it to um a >> data center. So, that's my comments. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> She's coming up front first. else. She's
>> Oh, I >> listen is struggling enough to get up. So, take turns. >> Yeah. Just please state your name. >> Hi, I am Teresa Brosttow. >> Can you spell that last name for me? >> Brotow. B is in boy. R O S T O W. >> Thank you.
>> Um, I'd first like to say that I'm a lifelong resident of Lacy Township. I live in Lenoka Harbor. My dad is Walter Rosttow and he worked at the Oyster Creek Power Plant for over 25 years. Um, so as a lifelong resident of Lacy Township and also as an environmental
engineer in my current career path, I want to express my support for Lacy to pass the ordinance to ban data center construction based on the model ordinance uh created by the Pinelands Alliance. >> Relax. Relax. >> It's Sorry, I just have anxiety.
>> It's all right. Um, we're dealing with both a statewide drought and an energy crisis as well as an overdevelopment crisis. Um, we all can see what is happening in the community in Vidland. A data center there has destroyed their local community and it makes me wonder
if the Vinland local government received a similar pitch that we received from the first speaker today. Um, I thank you all for listening to the public before making permanent decisions. Um, and I believe I can speak for many, many people when I say that Lacy residents do
not want the negative impact of data centers in our town. Um, any power benefits of the potential recommissioning of Oyster Creek should go directly to the people rather than a data center. And thank you all. >> Thank you very much.
>> Please state your name. >> Sure. Hello, Alison Lumpky, Sunset Drive in Fork River. Uh, I'm here tonight uh because I did notice the agenda which
said discussion regarding data centers. Not the word ban, but the word discussion >> because I couldn't make an assumption when we posted the agendas if we're banning it or adopting it. I can't make an assumption what the committee was doing because they haven't discussed it. However, you did make an assumption when
you put it online ordinance that was in there >> that you said they are discussing putting an ordinance in place to ban data. >> That's the ordinance that's in there, >> which is not exactly true because what you described earlier was simply a Pineland
uh ordinance to ban data centers or limit west of the Parkway. Obviously, Lacy Township is not west of the Parkway. we are west of the parkway and east of the parkway and I called the Pinelands
Commission today and I asked them what's the story with the data centers and they said well that is really up to up to the township and they uh gave some examples of towns that are enacting townwide ordinances to ban the data
centers. So, I don't want this to be limited to, well, we're only looking at something west of the Parkway because it's very obvious that you're looking at Oyster Creek property. I mean, come on. So, uh, we just want to put that out there that it's a possibility that this
can happen. >> Can I say something? Sure. What about you saying >> that's why I mentioned the listen and learn. Okay. Because at no point did you hear west of the Parkway from me. Um, there are a few of us that are lifelong
residents that sit up here. >> So, we're concerned. There's a reason I live in Lacy. >> So, that's got a lot to do with it. And the reason this is so early and we got we I said I suggested table on it so we can discuss it. We've had no
discussion amongst us at all on this. So if one or two committee members want to do a band west of the Parkway, the majority might want the whole town. So I agree with you. We do need to discuss it.
I'll tell you, I look at the whole town. I don't look at just west of the Parkway. West of the Parkway does scare me a little bit because one thing we all keep saying, this is and I'm sure everybody's going to appreciate this comment. Even though there's restrictions west of the parkway, you're
also dealing with government at its finest. And as we know, they change their mind and change move the goal post whenever they feel like it. One of my fears are just because West of the Parkway is protected, there's no doubt so many times in history, we see the lobbyist, money, and
power change the rules. And that scares the hell out of me. And as long as I'm sitting up here, and I think I'm the oldest, so I might not be here as long as the rest. Uh, I will fight my hardest to do what's
right. But you're exactly right. But there hasn't been anybody up here. That's what the mayor had said the seminar was on. That's what the proposed band is talking about. This committee has not discussed it as a whole yet. And
I do thank everybody for their uh coming out and speaking on it tonight because we do have to discuss it and a lot of your comments tonight are going to go into the discussion. But nobody up here said that they're committed to West Parkway. >> We're giving you the information that
was presented at at the meeting >> and if you got any questions on that, you can go online like our administrator had said and seen it. But please listen and learn and don't assume what we're going to do.
Because if you're assuming what you think I'm going to do, you might get surprised because I'm here for you guys. I'm not here for big business. I'm not here for tech. I live in South Jersey because I like
the rural South Jersey. If I didn't, I'd be living up north in an industrial area. But please just listen and learn. Thank you. >> Go ahead, Miss Lumpky. >> Thank you. Um >> Oh, this >> um Yeah,
>> what you see here, this is a success story already because this is the ounce of prevention. You talked about like, oh, you know, we don't know what's going to happen in the future. We want to plan and all of that. Well, this is part of the planning and this is a really good
start. So now you kind of have an idea of of how the residents and your constituents feel. Uh historically our township has not really protected our water supply. Uh we our township
committee in the past has not enacted a wellhead protection ordinance that was presented. So we didn't do that. Uh our township uh approved a big box store
over our wellhead protection area uh otherwise known as Home Depot. And uh you know the uh MUA at the time wrote in their letter to the planning board. We have concerns over the quote devastating impacts to the water supply. Again, it
was approved and it's there. It's a warehouse full of chemicals sitting right over the water supply. Our township also proposed and this is you know how well the Pinelands is protected here. They proposed an 80 acre cemetery
in the Pinelands which is not allowed. So you know there there's history there and when there's history and then we see discussion regarding data centers you see this because we're like oh they're
at it again. What's going on now? And that's why you see this uh concern and it's a valid concern. I won't go into all the details of why the danger centers are bad. A lot of other people have touched on that so I won't go there
but that will come. Thank you. >> Thank you for your comments. >> I think she's next. >> Hi. Please state your name for the record. >> Sure. >> Uh Allison Miller, M I L L E R, and Allison with Lel. Um I want to thank you
first of all for having this discussion. I'm actually a neighbor from Stafford. Um and I we've been trying to get a discussion within Stafford as well because I do believe the thing of we need to do our research is really important. And so I just respectfully ask when you guys do your research to
also look at what kind of temperature increases these data centers bring. I had the unfortunate experience last year during that wildfire of not getting pushed off the parkway through Lacy and getting stuck on Route 9 when it hit Route 9. Terrifying. And it was April.
That's not normal for our seasons. And it was really scary. And the idea of what the temperature increases uh data setters can bring. if you could just look into that because they range 5 to 10 degrees and we know with the Pinelands and what we've been dealing with and what our local firefighters
have been dealing with, uh, that's really important. So, thank you again for your time and I appreciate all of you. >> Thank you. >> Wait, so uh, I had her come. >> Just please state your name. >> Sure. Cara, K A R A Garrick. G E R I C
K. I am not a lifelong resident. I've only lived here for about three years, but my husband has worked in the school district for about 15 years. I'm a lifelong Ocean County resident and I've been all over. So, I don't know, maybe I bring a little bit of a unique perspective because I'm not entrenched
in the community so much. Um, I think like you mentioned, I also don't trust the government. And I'm glad that you said what you said about the Pinelands becin domain and all those things and those that is happening in many places with data centers. Um I think my main concern
at this point and I don't I don't feel the need to go I thought you spoke beautifully everyone giving all their you know those points. I think the thing that concerns me is it was on the agenda to have the discussion and now the discussion has been tabled and what I really wanted to hear was your discussion. So, at what point will we
have the opportunity to hear your discussion? Because listen, you sound great. I'm so glab, but again, you are the government. I don't trust you. No offense. So, >> perhaps you can answer that question. I don't mean we're not we're not tableing
the discussion. >> Well, you didn't have it. >> Well, we that that was that was a caucus. So, so again, >> excuse I'm sorry. I I this is my first time on one of these meetings. Perhaps I don't understand. So I would what we've been trying to do is add
stuff to the caucus agenda so people can hear what we're talking about um on specific issues. I mean we went through a number of them tonight over the radar signs and stuff like that. It's just giving the public more of an opportunity to understand how we how we come to our conclusions. So it was specifically it
it was again this is the absolute tip of the iceberg on this. We as the mayor we get um or any one of us we get invited to a lot of zoom a lot of information sessions through state of New Jersey D all sorts of stuff and so if I can make
it or you know it was a zoom call so I they send email you know the pylons line alliance sent me an email it fit into my schedule so I took the I you know participate in a zoom call and it was only like I said it was only for pylons it was specifically for pylons mayors about pinelands so it was so I'm just
presenting ing the information that was available. >> I didn't hear you present any information, I guess, is what I'm saying. >> So So they so so that so the information is is so there's a packet that that it's we distrib Alliance.
>> So at what point will you all look at the packet and then have the discussion so that we >> So we don't know yet. So right now it's this is just it's just a discussion. >> Can we get it on the agenda? >> Everybody wants it. So, we're not going to give you an answer of when we're doing it because we don't know when we're doing it. This is
just the tip of the iceberg discussion of whether again it was very simple to just right now that was the the uh uh you know the presentation was just for pilot. So, I wanted to just make sure every let the rest of our committee
members know what I'm doing because I'm the only I'm the only one that was on that Zoom call. So I'm just disseminating information and let everybody you know um take a bite of the apple and learn or learn learn about it. That's all this is that all caucuses. >> Right. So what I'm so the next step will
be when it gets placed on agenda. I could not tell you. I don't know. >> Okay. >> Because we're not discussing it. >> It's a little disappointing to not get the confidence that within like say this is a once a month meeting. Yes. >> No. Twice. >> Sorry. Twice a month. Okay. >> June, July. >> Yeah. June, Julyce. >> Okay. So like in a month's span of time
the the the committee cannot look at that information >> kick it down the road 15 years >> I don't understand what you're saying >> no so we don't have to discuss it and make a decision it's just gone >> right >> no that's not what's happening that's not what's happening what's happening
>> so here's the thing you need to know we can only meet twice a month like this we're not allowed to be together anymore three of us at a time >> so we'll have to make this now stop cross talking please >> if I may talking I'm sure sorry it's okay >> my point is is that we can only like so
now what'll happen is we'll probably have a little meeting about this right talk about it and say we have to set a meeting in place for us to be able to be together to have this conversation that's what I'm asking okay but we >> we can't tell if it's a month from now or two months >> two months we can't say because we have
to see what's on our agenda what comes in we can only set up things probably within a month's time we would know when it's going want to be in. >> Well, I would just hope that this would become a priority because it feels a little bit like every time I hear say this is just a discussion or this is just the tip of the iceberg. It feels a little dismissive to all the people who
came here tonight concerned about the community. And I would just >> I would just ask that it becomes a priority because we do not want to be put in a situation like Kennallorth where they they threw it right under and everybody's like holy like sorry I had to catch myself like
you know like I can't believe this is happening. We had no idea. We all want to know. We want to be a part of the conversation. >> We hear all the comments. We're listening. And so, I appreciate that. >> That That's what I mean by discussion because I've learned more in the last 45 minutes to an hour
>> than I knew coming into this meeting. So, it is a discussion. It's two ways. We're making some comments back and forth. >> Sure. >> And we're listening to everything. And that that's part of our our job up here is to listen listen and take it in
>> because I'm learning a lot tonight, >> right? I knew nothing about it. So, you know what I'm saying? >> That's why I say this is that's why we have to that's why we have to. >> And don't take me wrong when I say 15 years down the road. This is something you wish would never come up because I'll tell you the one thing the mayor, especially being the mayor, he has to go
to more things. The state is always coming up with ideas of what they want to do in your town. And there's so many of these things that luckily go away before they get to this point. But you'd be amazed at how much stuff they throw at us and try to force upon us or get
into discussion. And luckily, we don't have to get to quite a critical point with it. But >> well, that's the hope >> that the the back and forth is really very very helpful. So what I'll do is the information in the packet that the clerk had provided to the governing body
I will make sure um she's she's not in tomorrow but I will make sure that uh by Monday that that information and the link is uploaded online our to our website so that you can see what was provided to the governing body. There are other subcommittees and groups that we also work with here, meaning our planning board, our zoning board, our
municipal utilities authority, our environmental commission that are also going to have the opportunity to weigh in and to offer advice and um information to the governing body on these things. So, so it's not just these five that are going to make decisions. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Um, sorry. Just say your name. >> Sandy O'Neal. O N E I L. Uh, one of the benefits of going near the end is most of my points have been covered. The water, electric, the air, the transparency, but there's one that hasn't been covered yet, and that it's a
matter of community safety that I think this deserves severe uh serious attention. Data centers are classified as critical infrastructure by the Department of Homeland Security. Let me repeat that. They're critical infrastructure by Department of Homeland Security. And when a couple of months
ago, every so couple months, I don't know why I do this. I look and say, where if we get hit by another country, where's it going to be? And I was seeing South Dakota, North Dakota, Texas. I'm thinking why? Data centers, data center,
data center, data center. So, not only getting hit by some other country, but what if something happens, a cyber attack, physical attack, is our community ready to handle that? Have you had those conversations with the uh
rescue communities, the fire, and everyone else? It's just a consideration I don't want you to lose track of. >> Yes, >> that was my >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Sorry. >> No, Lisa back. You're
>> I really hate to do this, >> but I need to change the subject. Say >> stole mine. >> I only I only need a couple of >> state your name for the record. >> My name is Dne D an A Anderson and I live down on Anchorage in Fort
>> River Beach >> and we have a little bit of a problem with some dredging or lack thereof. I know that there was a Army Corps of Engineer project that was supposed to start north
of where we live up in Lenoka Harbor. Supposed to have started in the spring of or the fall of last year. I understand that that got stopped for whatever reason. >> No, it got completed. >> So, no. Well, I got I have a a whole big
project and part of that project was supposed to include the area down there in in Fork River by Anchorage where I live. So, another dredger showed up there and all he was doing was the little channel right there in front and he told me that the contractor that had
the big contract to do the whole area and I can forward you all the emails and all of the whole contract and everything that that contractor did not have the proper equipment. And so he decided on his own to hire somebody else to do a little portion and now they're all done.
>> So >> So the question is what are >> So the phase of the contract that you are were not part of the north side. Okay. It broke at uh Stouts Creek and Sunrise. So we found out at the last minute that they were executing the wear
town project which included the Bayside beach channel there and we jumped on it as fast as we could and the governing Gotti authorized u a dollar amount for us to dredge. At the time where we've met at several residents houses there we told yes and we did say that there could
be single individual lagoons done if there was a allowed at the time. We didn't know how much we were going to dredge. the contractor that the state had hired um went in there and told us they couldn't dredge because of these um vegetation that was in the water. It would get clogged into the hydraulic
pipes and they couldn't do it. So, yes, the state of New Jersey with this contractor went out to seek another contractor resilient seas if I'm not mistaken and they had to do mechanical dredging which doesn't give you as well of a product but we still moved more material than we ever have before in
that channel. The permits are limited to how much of the cubic yards you can remove when dredging. And we exceeded we met I shouldn't say exceeded we met that limit. So we couldn't offer any dredging to any of the residents because it met the maximum allowed underneath the state
of New Jerseys permit. So that's why none of the residents or additional work wasn't done. >> I would agree with you except for one thing. >> Okay. >> The Army Corps of Engineer amount that they were allowed to move was significantly more than what they moved. I went out there and I talked to that
gentleman Dan who was in charge of that job and he told me that they had originally it was going to be put on the beach because it was a different type of dredging machine and then they moved it out there to some place out there by Oyster Creek. I don't know exactly where >> but that is significantly less
>> but it's under our permit the amount that we were allowed to >> what's going on with the other one cuz I have a very specific map that shows and they came out there and they sounded everything and I'm sorry that I'm taking away from you. It's all right. >> It's all good. It's all good. It's all good.
>> I stopped the clock. >> Actually, thank you. >> So, all I would like to do is and one of I'm going to tell you what my my problem is. There's other people here that live in the same area and none of us knew anything that was going on. Somebody came out there in a boat and they're
doing soundings and it's like >> that was from the state of New Jersey though, not the Township. >> The state of New Jersey DOT Marine Division. It was their project. We just piggybacked onto it. >> So, who do I have to go complain to since I can't complain here?
>> Well, you can reach out to the you can reach out to um the state of New Jersey. It's the DOT. >> I did speak with Casey Parker. >> Yes. And he works here for us. >> And um again, Genevieve, I think her last name might be Cliff Clifton, oversees that department at the state of New Jersey. And again, we were
fortunate. I mean, again, I came to the committee last year and begged them to please borrow more money so we can get this done. We have this opportunity to do this now. And we were going to extend um it to the residents. And again, we if we dredged any of the lagoons, we would have to stayed 10 feet away from your
bulkheads and so would the state of New Jersey. >> Well, the guy that was doing the dredging before, he told me five feet. Dan was 5T from the >> Well, that that that would be the contractor. And if he was contracted to work for us, we have 10 foot limits. That's fine. And again, so >> do you have a phone number that I can call
>> for? >> Yes. >> Yes. Um, if you'd like to give me your email address, I can email it to you. I don't have it off the top. Do you want to give your email address publicly or would you like to write it down? >> I suggest you write it down. How about that? Just write it down right here. I
don't want to get involved with the data center stuff now because I agree with you by the way and the rest of you that you really need to just open up your mind and just hear it all and then make those determinations. >> Does that include Sunrise Beach Club too? >> Sunrise Beach. So again, Sunrise Beach
was on the map and you're speaking >> Sunrise Beach was on the map and that's a state channel and they determined when they did their sounding that Sunrise Beach didn't need to be dredged. >> It's only four feet in that. >> Okay. But that you have to take it up with the with the state because that's a state channel. We sent an a proof and
some radar uh tracking to the mayor. He has a letter in his box actually. >> Wait, which is this? >> Sunrise beach. >> I Yeah, I spoke so I spoke to >> Yeah. So I spoke to him and and so >> our soundings
our soundings uh >> were showing depths. I pulled I gave I got him from Casey Parker. I spoke to him I and there was some discrepancy on the soundings but ours >> tighten four feet. We actually did multiple readings. We sent all pictures and radar to you guys. >> We have a big problem over there. >> Okay.
>> All right. So, that all has to go to the state of New Jersey. It's that's a state channel. It's not a township channel. >> We were told that it it goes to the mayor. That's what we're >> Well, that's fine. It's fine. If if I get the information, I will be happy to send it to Miss Clifton at the state of New Jersey because again, while that was
on the maps and everybody produced the maps back to say, "Well, the Sunrise Channel was on the maps. Why wasn't it done?" It's because the state made the determination based on their soundings that didn't need to be done. >> And we were told, just so you know, we were told actually this year it was supposed to get
>> You're right. It was uns you really got to come to the microphone, but Right. Yeah. So, anything else? >> No, I have nothing else, but I really thank you for your time and maybe you could take into consideration maybe doing something, >> put it on a docket somewhere. We'll put it to vote.
>> Thank you. Uh, ladies first. You're next. I can't. >> By the way, it was 24 hours and four o'clock in the morning was no fun. Getting back to the data centers. My name is Tula Roseck. I'm a capstand
drive forkid river 30-year resident. Getting back to the data centers, what's driving this discussion? Where did this all come from? All I I just found out late last night >> about data possible data centers. And is this a hypothetical? Yes. or is this
coming from somewhere? Can somebody explain that to >> I explained it a number of times. I we I get >> I gotta tell you something. It's hard to hear from the back. >> So, so, so I get this is like secondhand for >> So, we get we get I get invited to a lot of uh Zoom calls, meetings. Yesterday I
had a meeting with the the commissioner of the DP. >> Okay. >> Private meetings. And so, this was a Zoom call that fit into my schedule I was able to take about data centers. So, I figured I'll take the time to learn about data centers. It was specifically about P. It was for the pine mayors in the Pelands. So the invite went out to
the mayors that are have Peland's property. We have Pineeland's property. So I again it was just I just took the information that >> it's a hypothetical at this point. >> So they were Yeah. >> company that's driving this. >> No, no, it was just from the Pilent Alliance. The Pilent Alliance did a
PowerPoint presentation and they went through all they're pretty much what everybody's saying here and I was and I'm just giving the information since I was the only one on the Zoom call. >> Okay. So you're just passing it along. passing it along just >> there's discussions but there's nothing solid. >> No, we have not we have not had
discussed this yet. This is just discussion. >> Well, apparently there was some sort of discussion on a Zoom call. >> It was a No, no. I just I was on a >> That's with them. There's not Thailand. >> No, no, no, no. I realize that there's >> I just So, it was a Zoom call. I just They just did their present. I didn't say any It was a Zoom call.
>> No, no. I'm just You got to be quiet. >> There's some sort of discussion somewhere >> about a data center. The Pinelands Alliance is taking the the Pinelands Alliance is doing this. They're taking the position that data centers are not good for the Pinelands. That's what this was about. That's it.
>> Is there someplace that this is documented that we can all refer to and >> Well, the Pineelands Alliance did I would I don't if they have it's their thing. This is not a township thing. That's what >> I will provide online on our website by Monday because the person who manages
the website is off the link and the information. You could go home tonight and look up the pilots commission and it's right on the pilots commission alliance pilots but it's off the it's also on the pilot and I believe you could get the PowerPoint presentation um some commentary and an editorial that's
on there and I also believe you can um >> get that zoom call I think was recorded. >> No kidding. >> Yes. >> Yeah, they usually are. >> But thank you. Thank you for your comments. I should You're next. She's next. >> Hi folks. Name >> Andrew Stratton. I've been on uh Binn
Road since 2002. >> Can you spell your last name? >> S T R A T O N. >> Okay. >> I want to thank you for listening to me. We're going to go back to the dredging situation. Just want to have a quick conversation about perception. My perception living here in Lacy. We decided to move down here full-time. We
built a nice new home along with a lot of my neighbors on my lagoon. We've invested a lot of money in new homes, new construction. If you go down Binnacle Road and Hower, you're going to see big, beautiful homes going up and and others being permitted to go up. We're doing our part. We're replacing our bulkheads. We're replacing our
docks. We're maintaining our properties. My perception post Sandy, I watched post Sandy and every Nor Bayfront beach disappear. And when that beach disappeared, it came in and it took our lagoons with it. It backfilled into our lagoons. So, the sand disappeared and it
went in, it backfilled into our lagoons. my perception. I've seen the town do a wonderful job rebuilding the park. Thank you very much. We walk our dog on it every morning. I know that was a lot of work to do that. I appreciate that. I've watched you restore the public portion of that walkway and I've seen it not
erode. So, thank you very much. I've watched twice now it's occurred where the town did the best they could where the marina was on the end. They backfilled, they spent money on a bulkhead. I know all these things take time and take money. I appreciate it. But again, my perception in this time,
I'm three lagoons in. I've got that gentleman was just up here. He's four lagoons in. I've got another neighbor that's two lagoons in. In that whole period of time since Sandy, nothing's been done in those areas. We've we've done the entrance and we've done the first lagoon, which after a couple
years, it literally the boats are laying on their side. Well, now the second main lagoon, we've got neighbors that have put boat lifts in and spent money on new construction. They can't get their boats even on the lifts. So, they're going out there with trash pumps and kicking the can down the road towards the third lagoon, mine. And now, my lagoon, when I
moved in, I was 8 feet deep in the middle, 5t behind my house. That was in 2002. I've been told years ago it was 20 feet. But that's years ago, right? 60 years ago when they made these lagoons. Now, I've got one foot. I cannot get a boat in there. I cannot unless I buy a skiff or something. I can raise the
outboard all the way out. I'm paying for water access property and I've got water view now and it's just all I'm asking you folks to do and I know you've got a bunch of problems. I've worked in a township for 27 years in Cranford. I know how this works and I appreciate it's a thankless job what you guys are
doing. But when we were talking earlier about the one fellow was looking for another extension on his his his trailers because he just couldn't get it done and you were like we need property uh preservation and usability. You know, those were words that came out of your mouth this evening. We don't have
usability. And so, you know, what's this guy done to renovate his house? Well, what has the town done for us? I've watched the can just keep getting kicked down the road. The first couple lagoons get done and then it's good for like two years because there's a groin, which I know that's a whole another thing, but
what I'm trying to say is all this time our lagoons have not gotten touched and it just the can keeps getting kicked further in. So, I'm asking you to please find the money to do the right thing to at least take care of the the third and fourth lagoons because after that the water gets better. It goes to 12 feet.
It's just it's that entrance the first lagoon that you guys have done now twice in my 22 years here since Sandy. But the third and fourth and fifth and that main waterway, please see if you even if you have to put it to referendum to a vote for all the lagoon front property owners
and put it to a bond. Put it to a vote. If the town says the property owners along the waterfront say nope, I'll I'll I'll I'll let it we'll figure something else out, you know, but the money can be appropriated. You can bond anything. I mean, in my township, whether it's, you know, a fire truck, a firehouse, a
police station, you know, I'm assuming that's bondable for for money to appropriate to maintain our lagoons. And I was told once at a meeting a couple years back that our lagoons are like sidewalks and we need to maintain them separately and we'll give you the permit, but it's on you guys. That's
impossible. When you have 50 homeowners, there's no way it's going to happen. I'll dig out behind my house, but my three other neighbors, they can't afford to do it because they're seniors and and they're they're towards the end of their time here. And the nature is just going to make it fall back in again. And and if if you can only come within five
feet, that's fine. Or 10 feet because nature is going to make it fall back into the middle anyway. just because it's just the last time it was done when it was the bulkheader that came in and did it. The next day I went out with my depth sounder when he was done and it looked like little thimble folds and within by like the end of two years
later that first lagoon was back filled in again. So I'm just respectfully I understand the load that you guys have and I appreciate it. It's a thankless job and thank you so much. But I'm I'm asking you from the bottom of my heart please try to do the right thing by us as well. That's all.
>> Appreciate your comments. >> Thank you very much. Hey, Alisa. >> State your name. >> Um, Alisa Waller, W A L E R. So, there's a bunch of things I want to mention. I will say that the data set of banan. I'm all for her. Um, I'm the guilty party of
sending Lacy Township's name to Erin Brockovich's website. She has since put up a website keeping track of all the uh possible data centers and the ones that are happening. Um, also um as a developer, Mr. Kenis, I wanted to ask >> I'm just going to say it. Is it a
conflict that you're a developer and our mayor and you don't have to answer that, but I feel like >> there's a lot of overdevelopment in our town and it's getting to be too much. There's a lot of traffic. Um I'm looking at the town homes and the condos that are being built and my dad who happens to be here tonight um who was the
builder for the farmer homes back in the early 80s and 70s. Um, in the 80s there was an ordinance that Weartown set called like the no lookalike ordinance or something like that where none of the homes that he built or he drew um were
to look alike. And I feel like all the overdevelopment that's happening looks alike. It all is boring. It's all flat. Um I'm not saying they're ugly. I'm inside. I'm saying from the outside they're just not approachable. They're
not for our town. And I feel like we need to stop right now. Okay. So, that's all I want to say with that. The environmental commission had a meeting that was cancelled suddenly and um I know I reached out and I got an answer. It was just canceled. It won't be rescheduled, but I wanted to attend that
meeting because of the data center question. So, I'm wondering if anything was discussed with the environmental commission about the data center possibility. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Okay. Um, the other one is the flock cameras that are now in the Home Depot, Walmart, uh, park, oh, Home Depot,
Kohl's. There are four flock cameras there. I don't know if anyone in this town knew. I didn't know until about four weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago. Um, I drove around, gave them all the finger, and I took a picture and I said, "Our constitutional rights are being
invaded right now. Our privacy is being invaded." >> So that's So, let me just finish. So, there's also flock cameras at the Celia dela Cruz rest stop. >> I have yet to locate where they are, but if you go on flock.com, they will show you where they are.
>> Just so you know, they face all directions so that they get the front of your car, the back of your car, they get who's in your car, and it's an invasion of our privacy. So, I don't know how our town was able to put those up. We didn't put them up. >> No expectation of privacy in a public
place. >> Cameras in this building. There's cameras. >> That's my point. My point is we're already on camera. So, the flock cameras, I just wanted to put out there that we know that they're there. Are we planning on getting any more and they have to tell the town if they're going to put them up? Do they not? >> That's private property.
>> Okay. So, at least we now know drones. I've noticed a bunch of drones flying around at various times. And one day it flew around so close to where I live over by Crestwood. It in a circle in a circle. So, I called the town. Uh, someone from the township said to call
the police, which I did. And they sent a police officer to my house, which is fine, but I wasn't scared. I was saying, "What's going on with this drone? Is this the township? Is this the police?" It's the police. So, do we have drone drones watching us and taking pictures? >> We don't have drone. We do not own drones as the township. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> I'm just saying they're there. People are flying these big white drones around and it just doesn't seem like more. >> Just throwing that out there. off. >> Um the other thing is the um last thing I want to mention is the YMCA. Our tax
dollars will pay for that to be built. Our tax dollars will maintain that place to be built. We don't need a YMCA. We've got plenty activities. We got a rail trail. >> We've got gas. My dad just >> made me realize that the gas tanks, the gas tanks that are under the rail trail,
there's like gas tanks, >> gas mans, but >> gas means running along the whole rail trail. So what you don't see doesn't mean it's not there. So we already have that. So we don't need a YMCA. I feel like the way we get people active in our town is to encourage them to go to our
parks. You know, the YMCA in Tom's River is a perfect fit and there's too much traffic in this town. And I feel like that we need to put a stop to this overdevelopment and keep the small town feel, which is what you wrote, what you mentioned in an article about four years back. I read it. You mentioned why you
like this town. You said cuz it was small and >> I said it still has that small town feel. >> Small town feel. I don't know about a Walmart, Kohl's, Home Depot. >> I love the Walmart and Home Depot. >> I I'm not saying I don't like the stores. I just don't think we need any more. >> Well, again, I could talk about this for a while back and forth.
>> I know. So, go ahead. >> Walmart Walmart is a is just too much for our town. But >> the last thing I'll say is the Warden House needs to be saved. The community hall needs to be saved. We need to reuse that to let our people come. The veterans need to be remembered. Mr.
McDonald mentioned one meeting before, history doesn't matter. History totally matters. >> Thank you. >> Because you've got people here. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. >> State your name. >> Hi, good evening everybody. Uh my name is Jason How with Pylons Alliance. I
appreciate you attending the webinar that we had for uh Can you spell your last name? >> Yes. Jason Howell. H O E. >> You can tell everybody how it came about then. >> Yes. Yeah, that's why I wanted to. Usually I wait. >> I appreciate it actually. >> H O W >> E L L. Just like the town. >> Oh, great. Thank you.
>> Um so although I don't live in Fork River, I did have a fifth greatgrandfather that had a salt works here at Fork River and the the British refugees burnt it down. Anyway, long story, but uh yeah. So so the the data center thing. I've been involved in many different townships where they were
considering bans and many have been passing bans because they've looked at the evidence and they've realized that it's it's really a bad fit for their community. Not only because of the the resource uh withdrawals because these things are actually competition for resources. So the same resources that we
depend on as humans, they are building essentially an alternative life form that competes for that same resource. And that sounds nuts, but that's actually what's going on. So they're trying to create some sort of, you know, supernatural being from these AI data centers. It's not like just the server
farms of the 1990s. These what they're doing is creating a different entity. And that's a long that's a bit of a tangent here, but that's actually what's going on. Um, so I would urge you to follow in the footsteps of uh Monroe Township, of Waterford Township, of
Milville, of other townships right now, including Jackson, considering a ban on data centers because it's a detriment to the community. There are sound issues uh in Vinland, the data center that was proposed there, they've already cited for noise ordinance violations, and uh
the residents just don't want it. So, I appreciate your time. Thank you. Appreciate >> it. State your name. >> Sure. And other people have given their address, so I'm doing my thing. Barry Bender, Historic Bay Avenue. Thank you. It felt good. >> Um, first of all, different subject, but
I I'll go through it real quick. Saturday, >> uh, noon, survivor lunch for Relay for Life. We got our Relay for Life going this Saturday uh at Veterans Park in Berkeley Township. We start the survivors lunch at noon, go to 2 o'clock
opening ceremony. So you guys somewhere between 2 and 3 we would you know if you want to be there uh be up on the stage. Uh and then we go till well we're supposed to go till 6:00 a.m. on Sunday but again this year uh we've only really
had three people working on this and it's been very very difficult. I know Robin came up here a couple meetings ago. >> Uh I have to throw myself on the mercy of the committee because I failed to ask if we could put our signs up. >> We can put our signs up. >> Yeah. Right.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. All right. Um topic number two um that a couple of folks spoke about. Are they still here? I don't know if they're still here. Uh not only are the lagoons filling in and as you folks
know the people who are along the bay um I guess which in end is that I mean just small storms now and you know they're getting the water coming right up against just pretty much up against their houses. So I haven't heard anything in a while. It would be
interesting to find out where we are. And >> so my my comments we met with the the commissioner of D yesterday. Um they're aware of a number of issues. Um, uh, again, if what's going to happen, they're aware. That's all I can say. They're working on it
>> because each day as each day goes by, um, I'm sure these people get more and more alarmed about what's what's coming in the future because it's scary. It's scary. >> With regards to, as you said, the those homes there on Bayside Beach that we're all very concerned with, um, we have
moved to the next phase of the grant process. Okay. Um we get the this last phase was a in-person interview, >> right? >> Which um they allowed you 20 minutes to get your point across and they were very strict to the time and we just had that the other day. So um they'll interview
all applicants um for I believe there was a total of 10 last I checked applicants that put in for that grant money from Pro New Jersey Trust. >> Okay. >> Um and we put in two applications as you know FA uh the groin and the beach stabilization there. Uh, so they're supposed to make a decision by June
30th. We were told you're still on target as to whether or not we're going to receive the funding to do all of that. And I'm hoping that the groin then would possibly help with some of the controlling issues that we have too, right? >> Because the stuff from the front comes to you guys comes to you guys.
>> That's why I don't There you go. >> Yeah. Because Barry, I mean the past I mean past year I know I've met a lot with the uh homeowners down there and stuff and this process is like everything with the state takes forever but it goes back to even you I was so
excited last year when it was brought to our attention that we could piggy back on to that dredging project because otherwise we would have been a couple more years down the road. The disappointing part was we found the money, we were able to do it. They went in there with them hydraulic dredges
which was supposed to pump a lot more a lot deeper and we ran they ran into that vegetation situation which clogged up the dredges. So they had to go back to the old manual way which was very very disappointing to the committee because
what we were hoping to do under this new way they had to go in because of all this because there was even a company that came in and tried to remove some of the vegetation. so that we keep going with the other. Well, didn't turn out the way we wanted. So, we tried. I will
say from myself, I want to keep trying through the years, but very, very disappointed that we couldn't accomplish what initially we could, but we had no control of what was under the surface. And it costed more and ended up more
complicated than anticipated. So, let's just keep our fingers crossed. Anything else? >> Data centers. >> I've been an IT professional for 47 years and I watch what has gone on. Um
I he, you know, I read about the various environmental issues, etc. The noise. I mean, everywhere, every place I've seen where they're talking about putting a data center in, like down in Salem, now they're talking about in Kennallorth. Um, they're not popular. I mean, we can
see that they're not popular. Um, and to make a point, um, they're all based on AI, artificial intelligence, >> and I've seen, and I'm going to make a comment to committeeman Laray. Um, do
your research, but don't use AI. >> Okay? Please, because because it can be >> skills. He's not using AI. >> Yeah. because well I thank the young lady from Pennsylvania. I know she didn't use AI because AI is manipulative. You're able to manipulate
it based on the data that you feed into the system. >> And don't I know that for sure. >> And to me, I mean, you know, I never read the book, but I saw the movie 1984 and that's where we're headed, okay, with this stuff. And it's really scary. I know the Pope said something about it.
I don't like it giving you my opinion. And I don't think here in Lacy Township we have any place, especially with Oyster Creek, would spend fuel rods sitting there if that is quote quote the target because that's all pure conjecture. But I don't know how they would do that. Put something like that
in surrounded by spent fuel rods would be, as far as I'm concerned, insanity. But thank you for your time. Um, >> state your name. >> Brent Murphy. >> Uh, 85 Maximum Drive. So I'm going to keep it short. Um,
in my lifetime, I don't know of any corporations that put in the local populace over their own profits. And I'm not going to take up too much of your time, but what I want you to think about is as you're having this this discussion is, do you really want to be the next Cagi or Dupoint or the council that
allowed that to happen? So, as you're going through disc through these discussions, I want you to think about what it means to us because you got 30,000 of us here and you are responsible for each and every one of us. And I don't want you guys to have to
bear that name of you guys let us down because of a dollar sign. So I want you to think about us as you're going through these discussions. Think about DuPont. Think about Sepagi and how it might have sounded great at the time and what had happened after the fact. So AI, we're not a big fan of it, but I want
you to think about the people here and who you represent and we're behind you. We want this ban. I'm assuming you guys don't want to endanger our resources andor the people. So we hope you keep that in mind when you make that discussion and that choice. >> Thank you for coming. >> How's it going?
>> Uh just state your name. >> Uh my name is David Dolan. I'm the head of the Democratic club in Lacy. Um I I live around the corner from you. Um, so I'm just here as a point of uh I guess
uh making sure people know what you mean. So like when I read it was like oh a discussion on data centers in Lacy that could mean literally anything uh to do with data centers. Uh when I write my agendas for the club meeting I make sure
that when people read it they understand what we're going to be talking about. Um, so when you say like, oh well actually it was really only about west of the Parkway. Maybe it should have been a discussion on a ban on a possibility of a data center west of
>> Well, again, I don't make the agenda. She does, but >> I'm just saying that >> this is the thing that I do. Go ahead. >> Uh, you know, I have a secretary, you know, I make sure I look at everything. Um, but anyway, so that was that was all
I brought. You know, I think we all talked about how horrible it would be if Lacy did it. Um, and obviously I don't I don't know if there's any possibility of it happening on the, uh, power plant because it's still a lot of mess going on with that. So, um, thank you for
hearing us. >> Thank you for your comments. And I I >> one quick thing that >> actually >> one of the things that really we keep in our mind there's a couple of us up here
that are grandparents right now. That has a lot to do with our thinking and our decisions. So just keep that in mind. We got very young grandchildren. So that's also in our mind when we do
these discussions and >> sure. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Sounds good. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> State your name. >> Hi everyone. I'm John Massendrea. >> Can you spell that last name for me
please? >> Yeah, of course. M A S T A N D R A. >> Thank you. Uh, I'm not from Lacy. I I I've lived in Ocean County my entire life, though. I live just a few towns over in Manahawken or actually no, not Barnagate right now, right in that weird
border part of it. Um, you guys have clearly addressed that you don't have you weren't given like it was just dropped on you and I completely understand that. Uh, I wanted to ask though, uh, because you mentioned that in your Zoom call it was all the mayors of the Pinelands that were within the
Pinelands Alliance. It was the mayors that were I mean the mayors from the pilots were invited but I was only one of we get to like two or three. >> There wasn't that many. >> Mayor Okay. Um I just wanted to ask uh going forward and however long it'll
take when you guys look into everything with regarding the data center possibility. Um if uh you'll be speaking with the board of commissions about this because I feel personally I don't know how everyone else here feels. I feel that the last year I feel the board of commissions has done a lot to damage uh
the environment of Ocean County. Uh they've done a lot of like pulling out of a lot of things from the NJ. Um has me really concerned over uh future possibilities of what could happen with data centers in Ocean County. >> Are you talking about the Ocean County uh
board of commissioners? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if they the Peland's Alliance has spoken with them about this possibility, but I hope that they're included in the conversation. Uh because I'm just that's a concern for me personally. >> Okay. Thank you. >> They have meetings that you can attend, too.
>> Yes. Yeah. I I've attended a few of them, but it they haven't really talked about it yet, so I was concerned. >> Good. >> Thank you for your comments. >> State your name, please. >> Owen Bros. B R O S. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm a lifelong resident of Ocean County and I'm here on behalf of
the Climate Revolution Action Network, the largest youth climate organization in the state of New Jersey. Approving any kind of data center in Lacy would put the Pine Barons at risk. There have been reports all across the country of working Americans drinking water being brown, muddy, and just downright
disgusting right after a data center was built. Data centers also cause noise pollution in the form of a constant invasive humming. It's no secret that data centers cause Americans electricity bills to spike when they are already unaffordable for working New Jerseyians.
A data center in Lacy would literally destroy this town, making working people's lives unaffordable and would cause irreversible environmental damage. As discussed previously, voting to ban a data center west of the Parkway, it's a null vote. The D already requires that a
portion of the decommissioned nuclear site west of the Parkway remains natural with an additional 3% being allowed to be turned into impermanmeable land. As New Jerseyians, we all live in the Garden State. We must be stewards of our environment and protect it against corporations that simply just want to
make an extra dollar off of working Americans. I urge you to pass a data center ban townwide and do not believe the lies of big tech. Thank you. >> Thank you FOR YOUR COMMENTS. HI. >> HI. Just state your name. >> Maggie Dick House. >> I can spell that.
>> Okay. It's actually H A S. >> Oh, so yeah, I would have definitely got that wrong. >> Um, I didn't plan on speaking tonight, but I live just down the road here on Western Boulevard um on the Bayville side. And I just wanted to bring up this topic because I see that tonight is not
the night for us to discuss if there's a data center coming, will we allow it or not? It's still in the early phases, right? >> Yes. >> But this is actually when it's the most important to prioritize this issue because once there is a data center proposal to come here, it will already have been too late, >> right?
>> So, I just wanted to once you start discussing this, ask yourselves the questions, are we as a township ready for a data center to come here? Do we have the infrastructure that's ready to handle all of these issues that everyone's been bringing up all night? Um, what will the effect be on the
residents? And yeah, if a data center does already want to come, they're going to bully their way in because they are more powerful than us. They have more money than us. They have more sway than us. We know this is true. Um, I see the people sitting on the board tonight and I see you all as like very honest people. And I'm hoping that collectively
the power that you have in your position in office will be able to have some kind of effect. But that will not work unless you are actually very decisive now >> because in the future it's the the decisions are already going to be made for us right so I just wanted to bring
this up that the priority is actually now not in the future >> thank YOU Jim just state your Jim, >> I can spell that. >> I think so. >> I'm glad. Uh, I want to I came here as
far as the same thing as everybody else, but the one thing the gentleman mentioned at the tax revenues. Well, I've been around a while when Lacy Township had zero municipal tax with the gross receipts and then Governor Brendan Burn took 50%.
>> And then they took the other 50%. So, uh, and as you know, I express myself on the planning board all the time that I believe in home rule, except the last five governors haven't.
And so, you can't say nothing's going to happen, >> right? >> Uh, the only artificial intelligence sits in the executive mansion. Uh >> but uh the other things I want to talk
about was briefly touched again. You know my feelings on the YMCA. I forwarded Veronica. >> Yeah. Yep. >> The information. I hope you all got to read it. >> I did. Yep. >> Because an executive order don't matter what you say that they can't have 300
beds in that building, >> right? We agree. >> So watch out because they're going to do it. I mean, even even I didn't even include the work that the YMC and North does with HUD, federal funding for housing. So, there's a lot to think
about. The other thing I talked about a couple months ago, have we moved any fur forward with the Deerhead Lake and the Bamber Lake Dam situations? Do we have any more information? >> So, we just I mean, did you hire did we?
>> Right. So, we are still working. So what happens is is uh Dearhead Lake um we have to do monthly reports to them as to the progress report we're making and they have not given us a final design yet. Bamber it's the same thing. They wanted more studies and more studies and more studies. We did speak very briefly
with the commissioner of D about the lag time. So what happens is you hand in a permit application and they say okay so you they have 90 days to review it. Okay this is what's wrong. You have to add this. So then you add this, you go back and then they come back and say, "Oh, we also found this now." So the clock keeps
ticking another 90 days that they have to review it. So there, you know, those are the frustrations that we're having is like, well, didn't you review this the first time because it was in the first application, you know, but it we don't seem to get any worse, but we are working with um Dam Safety and we are
hoping um to hopefully be awarding a contract, they're going to laugh by December of 27. because of the lag time out at dam safety with us getting our permit and getting our final approvals to do that.
>> Okay. Now, this is something new but something old. This township, there's areas that the code enforcement officer can't even handle the volumes. I'm talking about houses and residential areas out west of
the Parkway with as many as 15 cars running auto shops out there. Cars are parked every which way. Unregistered cars. There's an unregistered car right around the block from me. It's been there for I guess I'll be conservative. Two years, no plate, not registered,
hoods up. >> Did you call I mean >> Oh, where we did? And they moved the van, backed it in that had no plate. So the front front plate. So that's unregistered on that property. But the other one's still in the street. >> So, >> well, anything in the road, Mr. former
police officer, goes to the police. Code enforcement is not allowed to anything in the street. >> And I said, but what has to happen is she's writing the ticket. She's doing a job, but the lack of enforcement by the state judicial system.
All right. And the point is, when I was a police officer, we called in the tow trucks and we evaded the nuisance. You start telling them, you have one property out there with a school bus that the person lost their home but still on the property, so they're
sleeping in that. And you have two other houses down there that are under construction with motor homes hooked up to utilities, which is a violation. But there's other areas around town. And I'm not saying anything
negative about them or the police. But I think we have to put some focus on cleaning up the town. And you know, just because I'm retired don't mean you can't do it. >> Well, if you'd like to drive around and give us a list, it' be another set of eyes. We'll be more than happy. I had to ride around and give a list of street
lights. Something we all used to do, right? So, thank you for your time. >> Thank you for your comments. >> Thanks, Jim. >> Please state your name. >> Mendes. Um, I also have a separate issue um that I just wanted to get some
information on. In 2022, when New Jersey went from justifiable need to shell carry, uh the permitting fees went from $20 to 200 and 50 of that is to the state and 150 is to the town. So far in New Jersey, 18 um municipalities have
done a um refund of that fee for the carry permit. And in Ocean County, Beachwood, Jackson, Plumstead, South Toms River, Stafford, and Toms River have done it. and Berkeley just went on with instead of the whole 150 they're reimbursing 100
of it. So I was just curious to see if Lacy had spoken about that or was concerned. >> We have it was on the agenda back in January and and again there was a lot of data pulled forward and so for us collectively it's an economic issue not necessarily gun a gun rights issue and
that's how we handle most of the most of the again the economic issues. we're we're facing as an economic issue and the cost to the taxpayers to uh do the um background checks is considerable and
so we're right now we're essentially have one person handling all the background checks and it's a full-time job for them. >> Okay. >> So I I I do have extra data for it. I'll see you at the next meeting. I could show it to you. >> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Welcome. >> Thank you.
Hello, Mayor and Council. My name is Steve Quate, resident. >> Spell your name. >> KW AI T. >> Um, I think everybody's covered almost everything that needs to be covered. And I think your hearts and minds are in the right place. The only thing I'd point
out is as how do you say your last name, Bob? >> You have good feelings and good instinct. And I do know that it sounds like the state will push this, not you guys. And they can shove it down your
throat. The town and council don't always call on the residents, and the residents don't call on the town and council much, but I'm telling you, you have a great turnout here. And don't go in it alone. If they're shoving it down your throat,
call for the residents and make a big deal out of it. I'm originally from up north. We had an issue not nearly as big as this. And I had News 12 there. I had the police department there. I had at Bergen, that's the Bergen record was
there. You could rally the troops, >> right? >> And usually towns don't do that. >> And the troops are here. You had a big turnout. And if you feel that your back is against the wall, which it could very
well happen, the state is a lot stronger than pee-wee town >> Lacy >> and and they'll kill you and I've seen it happen. So don't be afraid to call on the residents. The residents I think will help. I know I for one will. So
>> thank you very much. And >> thank you. Last comment is uh you were talking about the speed signs >> which it's always an important in every town but do you guys speak to the police about it? >> Oh yeah, you know. >> Yeah, we did talk to each other and talk
to us. >> Yeah, we did. No, >> there's a lot of data collection. >> Nice. All right, let's have a great night. Thank you. >> I didn't mean to keep your time. >> Anything else? >> How's it going? Just state your name for the record. >> Josh Han. >> Yep. >> Um, so I guess two questions and a
comment or maybe three questions. >> Um, just to prove that I was paying attention before, you had talked about the speed limit signs, the radar speed limit signs. Yes. >> Um, so public asset collecting data. Do we have access to that as public data? >> It so the one you have to pay like a per
sign like a maintenance fee of $3,000 a year in order for it to collect the data per sign. So, we did not enter into that agreement with that. The trailer, the uh movable trailer, we do have um the data on that. The signs that we are looking at, again, price, so the cheaper the
sign, the less, you know, features it has. So, like the $4,000 sign doesn't have those kind of features. Again, you have to pay an annual fee in order to be able to collect and store the data. >> It has the features, but it's a subscription plan, >> right? >> Yeah. >> But our trailer already collects that data. >> Yeah, our trailer collects that.
>> So, that data >> is public data. Is it available to the public? >> I'm not sure if it's public. Is it Mr. Connors? >> I would think so. >> No, I don't think it is public data. >> It's township owned property, >> but collecting data on people in the town.
>> Well, not on the speeds. >> Okay. Yeah. Correct. It's not personally identifiable. >> Oh, sure. Of course. >> I'm I'm not sure I understood the nature of the question. Are you considering is it operable? >> I guess. Is there a way that a resident
of Lacy could get the data that is collected? >> If we if we maintain that as a record here in Lacy, then yes, the answer is yes. >> I guess you'd have to submit an oper request. >> We're not required to. But if we do, you would be able to achieve it through an
Oprah request. >> I'd be interested on like the counts of traffic and then also the speed of the traffic. I'm not looking for license. >> Yeah. So I I mean I you get from the flock. I actually got one today from for Lacy Road East. So I haven't I mean the data from the police station. So now
whether that's I don't know who's allowed to get it. I don't know. I got it from the chief. So I can't you know >> certainly our office take a look at if you make an open request for it. We'll take a look at it. >> Um second item question. >> The
um presentation that you attended from Jason was to kind of get you into leaning to support the data center ban. That that was the presentation. >> That was the presentation. That was the idea behind it. >> So it wasn't to influence you pro data center. >> No. No. Yeah.
>> The land west of the parkway is already protected. >> Right. >> We don't have any current plans to expand west of the parkway. >> Correct. >> Then is it a matter of great deliberation where you would not just say get that out of the way?
>> Say nothing west of the parkway. >> Data ban data center ban west of the parkway. That shouldn't be a huge discussion because all those other things are already in place and >> so it's it was a matter of whether we should or should not do it. So it's already not allowed west of the Parkway. Again, this is just
>> the first time they're looking at the information. I like it's just surface level. I >> I hear you. But you guys brought >> Yeah, I got I said but they Yeah, I know. I This trying to do this in caucus. So So we present the information and everybody shows up. But I understand why >> what I'm saying is since it's already
there's no B there's no building supposed to happen on the west side of the parkway. >> Why not just get it out of the way? >> Build trust from the community and say that that should be an easy thing. Say, "Okay, no data centers west of the parkway." And then the real talk is data
centers. >> We just want to make sure that we're doing it right. It's so so we just want to make sure that >> if we wound up doing anything where what the language says, whether we're not overbanning something that we don't want, it's just being >> we're just making sure this is the
surface level. This is how it's everything is very defined in government. So we want to make sure that we're doing everybody's doing their due diligence and making sure they're not missing something or should be added. Yes, we could just sit there I guess and just ban data centers, but are we sure that doesn't mean maybe something else that maybe we should be looking at? I
don't know. So that's it's a surface level conversation right now. That that's it. It's just giving everybody the opportunity to >> We also have to put it in front of our attorney that represents us so that he's clear with what we're deciding on too, you know. So this is a simple process.
>> We never just put something on the agenda and immediately >> run it, >> I think. >> And it's possible has to go before the planning board as well. >> Yes, it does because it would be a change. So, it has to go before >> an environmental commission would also have to weigh in. >> Now, I don't know because I haven't looked at this. I This is the first that
I've been seeing this. Okay. Um unless the code the existing zoning code in the township which would govern zoning east of the parkway as well permits as a permitted use data centers the state of
the law in New Jersey is unless it's a permitted use it's not permitted. >> Right. >> Okay. So unless the ordinance provides data centers as a permitted use in any of the zoning sections of the town then
even east it's not currently permitted. >> So someone had mentioned >> yeah it's not right now >> snuck in under. So in their case it was up to >> I would fashion the argument on behalf of the township if in fact the ordinance and I haven't conferred with it but if
the zoning ordinances in a town do not provide for data centers as a permitted use my argument to the court would be that the state of law in New Jersey is such that is prohibited. So unless something is explicitly permitted
>> is prohibited. So the code book is >> under the zoning laws under municipal land use law. >> So if if some I'm trying to think of another example, but if it's not in our code book currently, if it's not allowed in zoning, it's it's banned or it's not allowed, that means they have to go get a variance for it,
>> which would be a use variance. So, I'm trying to think of a good like if somebody I'm trying to I can't think of a good example right now, but if it's something >> if it's not in there already, you're not you can't just go and build it >> or you can't you know, you can't make applic
if if if you had an area that was zoned where garages, service stations were not a permitted use, that use would be prohibited unless you got a variance. I was just going to say storage units are are not
allowed on Route 9. So So and storage units have approached us a dozen times over the past 15 years to to build along Route 9. They're not allow they're not zoned on Route 9. That doesn't mean they can't apply for variance. It just means that it's not allowed what they're trying to do.
>> So So why not put through something quickly if there's something coming up where you know nothing happens quickly? >> No, >> we haven't had I understand everybody's frustration and I can be as about as
honest as I can be. I've had no time to absorb this at all. >> You haven't even >> and I'm one of them that's got to make this decision. I don't disagree with you. I want the, you know, I see the purpose of the band, but I've had
absolutely I haven't seen this Zoom call. You selected me up here to be a steward of the town. If I don't do my homework, I And as you can tell, which way I'm
leaning on this, but I want to make sure that the decision I make is the one I feel is right. Right. And this was just supposed to be a discussion, which it's been a great discussion as far as I see. >> We're definitely getting the feel the
gentleman said about banding people together. In the years I've sat either in the audience watching this committee, been at schoolboard meetings, this has probably got the most traction I've seen yet. So that gentleman's right on target because we go to these
meetings and there's a few people here. You show up, there's six people, there's seven people. Okay, we're getting the feel of the public. But to ask us to do the right thing right now and do something, I'm telling you, we've had
zero discussion. We can't meet as a group by ourselves. But even two of us together, we've had zero discussion on this. We've had a lot of discussion tonight. That's why I said let's table it to maybe next month or wherever or whenever it comes up whenever we can get
it back on the agenda because we need time as elected officials to absorb what everybody has said the information and we may not all be on the same page.
I'm just speaking for myself. I want to make a decision, but I don't want to be confident in the decision I make. >> When you have the discussions, when you have an actual discussion, will it be out in front? >> It has to be. >> Has to be >> because I know sometimes stuff happens
where it's not. >> So, I just want to make sure that that's something else that will be agenda where the actual discussion takes place where the public has Yep. >> the ability to see here. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Please state your name.
>> Yes, I forgot to last meeting apparently. >> You knew who you were. >> Right. Right. >> Um, this is a little high. >> You pull it out. >> That's all right. Um, I want to make sure the mouse is working. Um, Regina
Desenza, Sunset Drive, Semi Beach. Um, the new township website is taking some getting used to, and I hope everyone avails themselves of the details provided on the YMCA proposal. So many questions still loom about the project.
If it's free and not costing the taxpayers, there may be okay, but there's still no infrastructure to support this endeavor, and we haven't heard anything about it. I believe a few people said last meeting the town would be better served by a new state-of-the-art police station. We keep
hearing about how the current police station barely functions yet there has been no move to remedy this situation. The discussion about data centers, absolutely not. That's an absolute no. We already have enough trouble with adequate electricity for the residents
in this town. People are getting generators constantly because no one can trust our electric flow anymore. Every time I ride my bike, I see more generators in my neighborhood. Our township electrical infrastructure is outdated. Since Hurricane Sandy, I've
asked JCPNL to replace many transformers that could date back to 1950 in Sunrise Beach. Some of them were replaced, but not all. And during the last few snowstorms, we could hear transformers blowing. They sound like fireworks. And then the lights dim.
Desperately needed, desperately needed as an update to the township master plan. When will the planning board begin this task? It is extremely important now more than ever with this data center stuff that has to be banned and it has
to be banned airtight. Okay. It would be lovely if Dearhead Lake could be restored for swimming. I think the Widbit unfortunately invites vandals at night. It's so enticing to children on a hot night. And I think it's a
liability for the township and it's not the financial boom everyone thought it would be. And it should be free for residents since they already bought a beach badge to be on the beach. And our tax impacts from the school district for the past three years were outrageous. And now this township body
is proposing a YMCA to help further bankrupt the taxpayers. This proposal at this point shows no promise of breaking even. I'm also really upset about the issues with the Warden House in Community Hall. Why can't the Warden House just be sold for a dollar to
someone who can afford to move it to their personal property and make it a family home again? The fireplaces and chimneys alone have great architectural value. Someone just bought a house for a dollar and paid to have it barged across Barnagate Bay to their property. This
house is so close to the water and it doesn't have to be done whole. I spoke to a company once that takes apart houses and puts them back together at an alternate location. Let somebody with deep pockets do this instead of the wrecking ball. And my personal belief, no one person is
born into a political party for life. That's why the board of elections prints and maintains party declaration cards. You can change party anytime. Just fill one out. There is even a checkbox for undeclared. That is no party. And for
those that don't know, there is no such party as an independent party in the state of New Jersey. I checked on that many years ago. Miss Juliano made it quite clear in her very expensive glossy flyers that political party is her life and she's married to it. So be it. I
vote with my heart and my mind, not just on a party line. And to vote yes all the time to appear unified is just nuts. That tells me no independent thinking is going on, just like the school board. used a postage permit from Trenton. That was interesting. So, I wondered who
mailed the uh flyers for you. So, I went to NJ elect today and found not only how much you spent, but who gave you $21,768 and the contributors to your coffers hold your strings. 10,000 alone came from the leftovers of the committee to
elect Curello and Con and Kenneth. And here's some contributor lists from the electronic reports on NJ elect. This one was filed on May 22nd. That was the most recent showing the $21,768.
A couple of expenditures which were the flyers. And money came from a Megan Bennett, a Philadelphia attorney, and TNM Associates. We all know who they are. and some more expenditures on a May 4th
report or rather contributions. I don't need to look at the expenditures. Mr. Brady and Brian Rumpf, $300 each, Anthony Capacio, >> local labor. >> You're gonna have to take uh come back up.
>> I'll come back up. I'll finish. >> Anything else from anybody? Come on up. Or >> she wants >> Yeah, come on up. Could you please state your name? >> My name is Maryanne Clementi. CLM ent. I
too am uh not uh from Lacy Township. I'm two two towns south in Barnaga. And I thank you for allowing other people to come up and speak. Um, and I had no intention of coming up to
speak, but I I appreciate all the people that have come in in support of you guys doing an ordinance on banning the um data center kind of situation. And you had mentioned the sunshine laws prevent
you from meeting together outside of this group. So that's why it it's um is it possible for you to have a hearing on this issue when you're after you have your time to discuss it amongst yourselves to have a hearing on this
that the township is and and other people are invited because I personally want to bring this up in Barnett um as an issue um because I'm sure they they never even think about it. Um, but a
hearing to me sounds like a a good opportunity for people to come up and give you their opinions as they did today. Um, but on a broader scale before you make any kind of decision if somebody does approach you.
>> Thank you for your comment. >> Thank you for your comment. Mayor, I just point out that in the event that the governing body were to entertain an ordinance that would ban data centers, the necessary requirement for the passage of an ordinance that there must be a public hearing and that
hearing must be advertised. So there would be a hearing on any. >> So there are hearings done on ordinances. >> Correct. Every ordinance requires a hearing >> as a hearing >> public hearing >> at second reading. >> Right. Yes sir. >> But by then the decisions already made.
>> No. >> No. Please. >> In bar we used to have when I first >> I know >> I represented Barnett and you used to come to the meetings >> first meetings and two regular meetings. >> Right. >> The one thing >> the one thing that one gentleman from
the uh Pineland brought up and I'll tell you Mr. Kenneth I got to commend you for taking the time to do that Zoom call. So, this is brought to our attention because everybody that's familiar with the Pineelands, look how big it is, how many towns it took in. And from that
gentleman's mouth, only three mayors showed up. >> Yeah. Thank you. I actually appreciate >> one of us is ours. >> Yeah. >> I actually took the time to do it. So, yes, thank you. I will take that credit, Bob. Thank you. >> You're here.
>> So, we here meeting yesterday only. >> He's only He's not retired. He works his butt off so he deserves a lot of credit. >> Thank you, Bob. >> But please state your name. >> Richard Bidnik, Lacy, Citizens for Responsible Government. Many residents
received this disgusting and disgraceful flyer filled with AI images which are fake. Why the lies, Mrs. Giuliano? All you call yourself a fiscal conservative, but the facts speak otherwise. A fiscal conservative would
have voted against every township committee budget that increased our taxes. Yet you did not. A fiscal conservative would have voted against 330,000 of wasted funds on the Johnson Controls municipal complex. Yet you did not. A fiscal conservative would not
have told the MUA to fork over a million dollars of their reserves to our school district to protect your par friends jobs. The money was misused and some of it went to administrative salary increases. That 1 million should have been returned to the rateayers to help with their high utility costs. But you
were, if you were a true conservative, that's exactly what you would have done. Sadly, the MUA had to publicly state at a recent township committee meeting that they would never give another penny to our schools because of the misuse of funds. Another example of mismanagement.
A true fiscal conservative would have been standing up for the taxpayers concerning our dreaded school district's extreme tax increases over the last three budgetary seasons. Yet you did not. A true fiscal conservative would be speaking out against the proposed 96
million YMCA knowing that the financial burden would be too much on our already overburdened taxpayers. Yet you've remained silent. When asked at the township committee meeting, "What have you done to make life more affordable here in Lacy for the citizens?" you are elected to serve. You did not answer
this question. Instead, you made some statements of what you feel your role is. May I remind you, Miss Juliano, fiduciary responsibilities are about being accountable to for every tax dollar that you receive. Raising the taxes year after year and going along
with it is not what a fiscal conservative does. Maybe what you should be doing is downsizing our government and privatizing as much of it as you can to reduce the outrageous health care costs that are burdening our town. To be blatantly honest, the term fiscal
conservative fraud would be a better description of your poor record. You claim in your flyer that you're against all the overdevelopment, but three years ago when you gave a close-up club interview before your election, you blatantly stated that for those of us who had concerns about overdevelopment,
that we needed to get over it because it's called progress. No person who was against overdevelopment would make such a claim. But it seems that you must have had a come to Jesus moment just before this election where you realize that many people are angry about all the
overdevelopment. the traffic the but the damage has already been done because you didn't stand up against it, you stood with it. And your position on the sale of one of our most last historical buildings, the Warden House of Community Hall, shows you have no concern over
overdevelopment. You approved the sale knowing it was going to be a quick check gas station, something we don't need or want, which is going to cause so much more congestion at one of the busiest intersections in this town. and along with it would destroy the last remnants of our town's history. So maybe that is
why you felt you needed to misrepresent yourself in your flyer because you truly have nothing to run on. You pander to the voters when election season comes because your record just doesn't cut the mustard. I must say this, the photos I saw of you parking in a double handicap
space at one of our schools shows an utter disdain for those individuals who need those spaces and a terrible lack of judgment on your part. and an elected official, you are held to a higher standard and the standard you represented in this issue is deplorable. And after reading the transcript in the
ethics case concerning Regina Desenza, which you were a sworn witness in, I realized it appears that you perjured yourself under oath while you were sitting mayor of our town. I must ask, what were you thinking? My message to all of you who are running for office,
be truthful on your record because lies will come back to haunt you. And maybe people are just so used to politicians lying to them each and every day that they have become immune to it. And if that is the case, I feel sorry for all of you. We deserve so much better. The
citizens of Lacy do have a choice on June 2nd. Think before you vote. I know who I'll be voting for on June 2nd, and it won't be you, Miss Giuliano. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any anything else? Power to the people.
>> Thanks for all coming tonight, guys. I love you. >> It's nice not to be alone here for once. >> This is the most people that have been in this room besides when a police officer. >> Please state your name one more time. >> Regina Desenza, Sunset Dry, Sunrise
Beach. I'll pick up where I left off. I was reading the R1s from the New Jersey Election Law Enforcement Commission that were filed by the committee to elect uh Miss Giuliano Brady and >> it's Mrs. Giuliano. Okay. Okay. Brian Rump, attorney at law 300. Anthony
Capacio, Labor's local 172 300, Sida Hullfeld and Zabarski 300. Um, the committee to elect Kenison Curitolo contributed the most at 10,000 because they just transfer their money from one election to another. Dasty and Stiger
600. Donado Denafhrio 300. Um, the next page, East Coast Engineering 300. French and Pllo Associates 600 Henry J. Mancini and
Associates 300 Home and Frenia Allison 600 Miles Power the Alimo Group Engineer 300 William Resudo Urgent Care Physician 300 He must really like you. Remington and
Vernick engineers for the MUA 2600 big spenders they are Rodstein Mandel Stro Helm and Cypriani Toms River attorneys 600 Frank Sedi $600 the Ocean County
Commissioner Director I wouldn't take six cents from him much less 600 and Steven Smith Esquire I believe he is a board the school board president's brother-in-law 300 $00. Trillon services
$600 whoever they are and that's most of your $21,000. I I found that to be absolutely amazing. I would never raise that kind of money. Um and I would never take money from
people who are paytoplay vendors. There's no other way to say it. I know I'm not perfect, but my heart is usually in the right place. And I promised the voters of Lacy that I would do everything in my power to help contain township costs so the people continue to live here and I don't see
any more for sale signs in my neighborhood. >> Thank you for your comments. Anything else? >> Seeing none, I make a motion to close the floor. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Comments from the committee? Deputy Mayor Laurie.
>> I don't know if I should make any >> trust your instincts, Bob. like first first I want to uh go back a couple days. Uh we just had a uh Memorial Day which
was chance to honor all those who either volunteered, served, and gave us this opportunity to go through what we're going through now. So, I want to thank everybody and every uh military family, volunteers, and everybody that plays
part in Memorial Day and what it represents. Uh we hated to do it, but this year we had to it got cancelled because of the weather. Uh as much as I try to talk myself out of it, my 5-year-old grandson, who loves the
parade, does not take that. He just keeps calling me politician on FaceTime. and wants me to fix it. But that's what you get from a 5-year-old. But just a couple quick updates. Uh like
I say, a a lot of times I'm trying to stay up on what the uh public works is doing, which right now, like I said last time, they're busy maintaining the fields, cutting, getting the municipal complexes uh back up and spruced up for the season. the grooming, there's lighting
issues, there's all kinds of things. But, um, one of the things they did do work on this month was it's called Firewise Cleanup in Feeasant Run Community where it involves them cleaning up dense spots to properties, reduce the pro uh,
fire risk, residents, help residents remove if they leave it out, any combustible items, leaf cleanup. So, it's a something they work with uh Feeasant Run to, you know, especially last year that's the fire was right up to their woods. The other thing was on
May 20th, 2026, we had that god awful thunderstorm. We had a lot of poles down, a lot of electric out, a lot of issues. The DPW wants to they were out there doing their job, but they also want to thank the
Lacy Township Police Department and the fire departments and the office of emergency management for all their help in handling all these issues around town because we had flooding, electric out, there was multiple issues
and I know there's a lot of complaints, but you know what? There's no way nobody can be prepared for everything that mother nature throws at us. So
they they were out there. They want they wanted to really thank everybody that also chipped in and gave a hand with them. But that's all I got to say today. >> Thank you, Bob. Committeewoman Juliano. >> Thank you, Mayor. I just first want to take that last Saturday we had a beautiful event. It was uh the PBA ran
it. It was for a bobbing fishing in at the first lake and I think there was over 180 um families there. A lot of moms. It was beautiful to see. They were all fishing. >> It was 206. >> 206. Okay. That gentleman back there,
one of our police officers ran the event and it was a phenomenal event. It was really a pleasure to be there for it, I have to say. And this Saturday we have the um bicycle rodeo that we run here at the middle school. Uh the PBA is in charge of. So another great event to be
at. Um there's also a car show at our high school this weekend. Uh tomorrow's our senior lunchon that Heather Scallion, our municipal alliance uh chairperson runs. An excellent another excellent event for our seniors.
And um that's it. Thank you, mayor. >> Thank you, Peggy. Committeeman Curello. >> Thank you, Mayor. There's a lot was said here tonight and um I always want to direct some of the eye from our residents and we're here to listen to
you back to Trenton. There was a um there was a gentleman over there uh who talked about the dredging. So um again, so much to say. uh we get capped on the dredging that we can
remove from the lagoons. So that d that person and maybe some more people here this evening and some that may have left already. We have beautiful homes on our waterfront. Those people work hard all their lives. They can't even sink their boat because the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, not only
don't they really they really don't want you to use the bay. they really don't want you to build on the water with some of these um and Mayor Kenneth can put more light on it uh with some of the rules that have come down. Uh but now that person that sat there next to that
young lady who spoke so eloquently um you have a situation where he's paying waterfront taxes and he can't even he can't use a boat. If I had to put an order of importance on what Trenton thinks about somebody that lives in our town that generally doesn't support
Trenton or the current party in power with a guy who's wealthy enough to have a boat that can't sink a boat, it would be well under a snake's belly in the hierarchy of needs with the top being Mount Everest. They don't care what you
think. They don't care about your opportunity to develop your own land. They will, however, and the other young lady sitting right there next to the the gentleman talked about cookie cutter houses. Some of those houses that that young
lady may have been referencing uh are on Route 9, a main thoroughfare. That's one of our only commercial corridors. They require us to put up the state again requires us to put up um some housing and for low lowincome folks and that's
good. I serve on the the human service advisory committee. I want everyone to have a place to live. But when you require us to put it on a commercial zone that we can't ever get a tax benefit from or something very minimal, that hamstrings us and then we got to go to your pocket. So I got to go to this
guy's pocket, take more money out of his pocket. He's already paying high taxes on a waterfront with a boat he can't sink. Then to make it even to add insult to even more injury, if you want to shell out your garage with some sheetrock, um now that you can, it's a
lot easier to have an accessory structure. Again, a mandate come down from Trenton. So when people talk about this committee doing things that are overburdening our society that we're over overbuilding and overdeveloping, a lot of this comes from folks that don't
care about us in Trenton that require us to do things from Trenton again and reaching in to Mr. Kennes uh 25 years of service um Mr. McDonald, Deputy Mayor Laray, excuse me, Mayor Kennes on our land use boards and they want to take
control of that as well. So, there's this this power grab at every corner of our town. We're not the only town. Um, so I ask you to try to control what you can. Um, I'm glad you're here with with your voices to be heard. Uh, I try to
not sound political, but there's a power grab going on and we have to be aware of it because I think you should be able to decide what you do with your land in your town, not a bureaucrat in Trenton. So, that's my two cents with that. I
will um say thank you to Caffer and uh Senator Romano in the ninth district. Uh we were at CAFRE this past Saturday for Tunnel to Towers. Um and that's another unbelievable organization that helps
house and take care of our veterans. Um had an opportunity just to shake some of those veterans hands. I'm a civilian um who is fortunate enough thanks to the colleagues up here put me in that chair every year to be liazison to our veterans commission. Again, if you're a
veteran, call 6931100 and come to some of our meetings. Lastly, I'll talk about something that is ceremonial, but it was important um because it ushers in our our our tourism season. It's our largest uh group of income here in the county. So,
I was part of the Unlock the Ocean campaign. We spoke on the boardwalk with uh state and county officials, our board of county commissioners. Uh, and then mother nature decided to drop 72 straight hours. So, I often said, so there's here's here's a little sidebar.
Well, I said, "What about Fourth of July weekend?" Independence Day weekend is a big deal. It's a big deal. However, I was informed and educated, if anybody had to choose that owned business, it's always Memorial Day because, as I was
informed and educated, Memorial Day always falls on a Monday. So, it's a solid threeday weekend. And to make that up when you have about six, eight, t if you're very lucky, marginally good weekends uh in a season, it's going to
be a hell of a difficult thing for uh our county and our town here. And our town here suffered too with that weather because a lot was cancelled. A lot. Our parade was cancelled. So I I want to appeal to mother nature. Maybe we can
pass an ordinance uh mayor and counselor and senator um to for her to be nicer to us. Um so thank you everyone for coming out tonight. Thank you for the extended time mayor and um thank you. >> Thank you everyone. >> Commissioner McDonald. >> Thank you mayor. Couple of things here.
Um Memorial Day. That's a tough day in my house. uh because of my brother for our governor and our senator to go where they went on Memorial Day.
>> You're right. >> I'm sorry. They don't deserve to be in office. That was atrocious. They went to the house where the illegal aliens are kept and raised hell.
Think about this for a second. Andy Kim, Senator Kim, has always said he was in the military. There's a there's a dispute on that, whether he served in Afghanistan or not. There's no dispute about the governor being in the Navy. These are two military vets who did not
honor Memorial Day. Are you kidding me? All right, that's that's my beat for today. So I too went to the fishing uh by the PVA what 200 they you I think you guys
shut it off at 250 reg registrations didn't you? We capped it at 250. I ended up with 2726 show. >> Right. Right. And I went obviously because I was here and but my three and a half year old grandson
>> was there and well they didn't catch a fish. He had the time of his life. Um, I was standing there and my son said, "Logan," I said, "Declan, get get
another worm." And he walked over to the to the worms and a big one. He goes, "Matt, you picked that up. I'm not picking that up." So, I picked it up. I said, "Put your hands." You got to put his hand running all over his hand. He go, "Oh, this isn't too bad." So, he was he he
was he was fine with that, but it was a great job. Okay. I also was at a family function and gentleman by the name of you probably all know by the name of George Rod was there. I am semi related to him through his daughter
married my brother-in-law. So we're out there and we're talking about the word house. He and then Teddy Hutler were on the township committee and they were the ones that pushed to move it.
>> And George says to me, he said, "They didn't find out until afterwards that historical value was worthless once they moved it." And they said, George said to me, "Had we known that beforehand, we never would
have spent the money to move it." So that's that's the two guys who pushed to move the warden house. All right, just I got a few things here and I got curious because there's been a lot of talk about our taxes here in town
and it's primary season. Feels like a safe thing to talk about. So, I called our CFO and I said, "I want the last five years of just the municipal tax rate increases over the last five years. I don't want
the libraries in there. I don't want the the counties in there. I don't want open space. I don't want any of that. I don't want the school boards. I want Lacy Township Municipal." So, she sent it to me. Let me see if I can get this a little bigger. My eyes aren't as good as they
used to be. 2022 1.4 cents. 2023 4.9 cents. 2024 2.7 cents.
25.3 cents. I'm sorry, 3 cents. Excuse me. And 2026 4.3 cents. And I had been talking to the mayor last night.
We were shocked. And we we pretty much know what the numbers were because, you know, figure it out every year. But to look at these numbers in a fiveyear span. This committee has done a wonderful job.
Not as low as we'd like them. I know Mr. Laray would like zeros. I'd like zeros. But that's not debate. So again, did a pretty good job. >> Thank you, Tim. >> And if you were coming up here to the
meeting, there was an accident down the road here. Ways and one out in front here. It's nice weather. People get distracted. Concentrate on driving. Please, please, concent. And I'm
starting to see a lot more of these electric bikes out there and I'm and these they're crazy. These people driving they're nuts. They're in and out of traffic and some of Okay. And on Tuesday,
you have a duty as far as I'm concerned to vote. Vote for the candidate of your choice. And be careful now with this ballot that is different than the other ballots you've seen. There's no county line or party line anymore.
>> Just make sure take your time. Take your time in that ballot booth and make sure you vote for the candidates you want and you get all the candidates because if you got the sample ballot, you got here, you got here, you got over here, you got down here, you got all over the place. So just take your time.
Make sure you vote for the candidate of your choice. Mayor, that's all I have. >> Thank you, Tim. Okay. Last two weeks, the uh so me and Bob attended the Fish Hawks Award Banquet. That's a fishing club based at the Elks Club uh Elks Lodge. Um they support and donate to the
food bank and do a number of other things for the community. So, we always, you know, try and um just thank all those volunteer organizations. Um, the American Legion and the Boy Scouts, there's a flag placing ceremony at Good Luck CE at Good Luck Cemetery on the Friday before Memorial Day weekend
and they where they have the Boy Scouts place flags on the veterans graves. And so I'm just thankful that the Boy Scouts are, you know, that the younger generation is still learning the importance of of the sacrifices made by the those veterans. Our parade was rained out on Memorial Day, but we do
have a small ceremony downstairs in this basement, and I'd like to thank the Veterans Commission for putting that together at the last minute. Um, Veronica contacted um the DOT to try and adjust the timing
on Route 9. We This has been an ongoing issue, especially south. So, we're asking them to address the uh timing of the signals from Lacy Road down I guess through wear town. >> We'll see if they do anything. Takes a
long time. And finally, yes, I was yesterday. Um Ed Potisnack, did I say that right? He's acting commissioner of the D. >> Yes, >> he's acting commissioner of the D. And so I was one of three mayors that was at that meeting. And I I'm I imagine and it
was only in Tom's River, but I'm surprised that there wasn't I'm there should have been more people there. I would imagine that the invite went out to all shore mayors. But anyway, you have to take that meeting. Um that's uh again, he's the acting chairman of the D. So he uh I found him very
knowledgeable. Um uh really receptive and um you know that's your time to complain um about you know issues that are going on with um all the environmental rules. So this the couple things that we did touch on I think I mentioned is the real rules where they're raising the building heights on
the water for flood zone for additional 4T that's largely being driven by the insurance companies um the state is you know there's a lot of push back on that it's probably it is too much to be 4 feet but the um it's being driven by the insurance companies the insurance
companies start pulling back they're that they're not going to insure these houses um you know that's a that's a problem we did go over dredging living in beach replenishment and you know they're all aware they're aware of these issues and probably the biggest issue right now which has been in the
news a little bit if you follow it is they were trying to minimize the permit time for permits which is a huge huge problem at the D. So all you do is go to those meetings and sort of complain about it and they're well aware of them and so I went and complained on behalf of Lacy Township one of three mayors
again Bob. So those are my comments and I'll take a motion to adjurnn. >> Move it. >> Second. >> All in favor? I have to go executive session >> resolution tachy county state of New Jersey authorizing the committee of executive session in accordance with open public meetings actively discussed contract all matters motion
>> second >> Mr. McDonald >> yes >> Mr. Lay >> yes >> Mrs. Juliano >> yes Mr. Curta. >> Yes. >> Yes. Motion to uh >> move it. Second. >> All in favor?