because I love it. We should come earlier. Okay. Being 5:32 on Monday, August 18th, 2025, um I'm going to call to order the meeting of the Town of Lake Placid Community Redevelopment Agency, CRA,
located at the Town of Lake Placid Government Center, 1069 US Highway 27 North, Lake Placid, Florida. Would everybody please silence your phones? And our town administrator, Charlotte,
is going to lead us in the invocation and lead us in the pledge. Everyone, please bow your heads. Lord, we thank you so much for the the privileged opportunity we have to be able to serve the town of Lake Placid. We ask you, Lord, to give us wisdom, discernment, and understanding as we
navigate. We ask you, Father, to give us favor and also give us grace as we we move forward with the plan set before us. We thank you, Lord, for each family that is represented in the town of Lake Placid. We also praise you for everyone who is in the greater Lake Placid area as well because they contribute to the
success of the town of Lake Placid. We give you all glory, honor, and praise in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, clerk, could you please call the role? Mayor Hol Brook, Vice Mayor Worley, yes.
Council member Hayes, here. Council member Charles here. Council member Everheart here. Board member Hartzell here. Board member LeBlanc here. Thank you. Um, we have the consent
agenda. 1A is approval of the agenda. Hear a motion in a second, please. Make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll second. Is there any um can hold on second to
the second Tina? So is there any discussion from Das just just page three the last sentence says I suggested something and I didn't so I don't council member Charles suggested illuminating downtown in green
during May to raise mental health awareness. I wasn't aware of that. I don't object to that but that wasn't me who made that comment. I don't know if you guys recall who did. I'm sorry. The last page of the minutes, the very last sentence says, "Mrs. Rodriguez
commended town staff for repainting downtown light poles, noting the project's demanding logistics and marked aesthetic improvement. Council member Charles, so it's somebody suggested illuminating downtown in green during May to raise mental health
awareness emulating Sebring to foster community dialogue and visibility." Well, I think that would have been we we Charlotte and I were in Sebring and brought that back. Okay. So So is it council member Ibart you thought you said I think we just kind of off-handedly
mentioned it but yeah it wasn't me because I wasn't aware of that. So it wasn't me either. It needs to be a proper name a corrected name is what I'm saying. And and you can either strike it from the um from the minutes or you can change it however you want to do it to
amend your motion. Strike it. You can say it was suggested or Yeah. strike it. So you amend your motion to strike. Pardon? Um you amend your motion to strike. Oh, okay. So I'll amend my motion to
accept to approve the consent agenda with the uh change to the minutes. um that the last sentence uh say that uh it was noted that Sebring
lights their town in green uh to foster community dialogue regarding mental health. Mr. Long, you made your second. Yes, I will. Any other discussion?
Anything? Anything from the audience? Please call the role. [Applause] Council member Everheart, yes. Board member LeBlanc. Yes. Board member Hayes. Yes.
No. Councilwoman Hayes. Councilwoman, but that's okay. I'm sorry. It's all right. Thank you. Council member Warley. Yes. Mayor Warley. And Council Member Charles. Yes. Okay, let's move on to approval of the
I'm sorry, board member Hartzel. Yes. Okay. Um, I actually had asked for approval of the agenda. I think we moved to the minutes. So, can we go back and approve the agenda? You did the consent agenda though,
right? That's what we approved. Yeah, the consent agenda with just the changes to the minutes. Okay, so we did A and B together. Okay. All right. We'll move on to number two, which is public comments. And we do have somebody that would like to speak. If you could come up, Michael,
and he would like to um talk about last week's comments on pickle ball and the police station budget. What? This is under um public comments. CRA. I'm not sure about that. So, but he's
not here anyway. So, um our town attorney is here though, correct, Mr. Harris? Um because it's a CRA meeting tonight, we're not discussing pickle ball and police department. That will be at the next town council meeting. Correct.
Those are not CRA funded projects, are they? Okay. This is under two public comments. Request to speak on items not on the agenda. No, those are not on the agenda and those are not subject to your jurisdiction
to the CRA. Okay. So, they're not part of this public meeting. So, I think maybe next time we should clarify that public comments on CRA, not on the agenda. Maybe just so people know. Let's do that. We have a time period for open comments.
three minutes unless somebody up here would like to hear more. So there's a three minute unless somebody from the disas would like you to continue talking. I signed up to speak for three minutes. I just want to make sure I get that
chance. And that's what I was just saying that I had just called for you to speak and they're saying because it's CRA, it doesn't pertain to this meeting. It's not about us. It's this is a
community community redevelopment agency meeting and I think this is the first time this has ever come up. So I'm sorry. Um but this is our town attorney is here and he's saying because this is not pertaining to community
redevelopment agency. Uh the pickle ball and the police department are actually part not part of the CRA. So you would need to come to our next council meeting which is Just a second. We'll make sure. Are are you arguing that they should be
part of the CRA? That's the only way I can think of that you would get a topic that could be under the jurisdiction of CRA. This is something new. So, I'm sorry. We next time we'll specify if it's not on
the agenda. it still needs to be part of a CRA um issue. So, I have your information. The next meeting will be September 8th for the town council and I hope you will come back and I will personally send you a notification that
you can I would love to hear from you. Okay. Thank you. Is the confusion because this was a town council meeting and CRA could be. I think so. Yeah. and see that we were going to have a town council meeting tonight too and
it was cancelled. So there's a um a lot of things that have happened. That's what I was here for the council meeting right and that was cancelled. So this is our still town but CRA but I will personally make sure you know about the September 8th meeting and I do want to hear from you.
I'm sure we all do. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Number three, new business. There's no items. Number four, old business. We're going to take a uh capital improvement plan project review and updates.
Thank you. The community redevelopment agency is requested to review the status of our current capital improvement plan projects within the CRA district and to discuss and prioritize future projects for inclusion or update in the upcoming
fiscal year CIP. This item provides a concise snapshot of projects that are currently underway, those that are in procurement and design, and candidate projects for review, ensuring our investments align with the CRA plan and the town's goal to preserve small town charm while
supporting the downtown vitality and economic development. So, we did go through and try to move over on your CIP. If you if you look at it, there are a few items that we would like to go through and look at more in depth.
One of them is the I apologize downtown signage. We're going to want to move that over to 2526 so that we have time to continue working
with Central Florida Regional Planning. And then we also have the downtown flags and banners. Obviously, that's another one that we'd like to move over to the 2526. And we will update this and send it out. We just wanted to bring it forward for us to have discussion.
And the Steuart Park electrical line above that. Yes, ma'am. The what? The Steuart Park. It's there are three lines in a row that should have been slid over into this year, this coming year.
So, can we go over those again? What we're doing here? And is this a this is what we're doing or this is what we're proposing and then we vote on or what's our order of business here? Say that again. I'm sorry.
I'm trying to follow along of what our order of business for this is going to be. And and I think we've just jumped around. That's fine. So, we're moving some things and I wanted to try to mark them appropriately and then ask are
these items then we are going to discuss and we vote on is that what and and right now this just for clarification please because then we're going to be doing a budget. So, I'm trying to understand what we're going to do tonight on these projects and then what
we're going to do for the budget. We're going to go through the CIP and once we're done with the CIP, you'll as we go through this, you'll decide how we're going to move it. I think it will go in tandem with the budget itself. And then we don't vote on the budget. The council votes on the budget when we go
through the budget process. And then just a reminder that anything that we have on the town CIP that we cannot put it on the CRA CIP for three years. So just some of those notes to keep in
mind. So we've the yellow are completed or in process. So we can go through each one of them if you'd like. Well, that was one my confusion was the things the um Oak Street not Oak Street that was done
Steuart Park, the signage and the flags and banners. Those three line items that were already decided to be worked on, but they should have been slid over into the next year. So we get a true num bottom line number of what's in the budget, right? And then my other thing
is on the bottom line here, um the money that we have to work with did not align. It's hard to know what the total was. It says 302,000 is all we have for 2526,
but the town budget says 338. And neither number includes the carryover. So I don't know what we have to work with with the totals. Mhm. I got you. And let me ask you something to clarify.
So when we look at 2520 when we when we look at 2526 now and it says $5,000 in downtown signage, 5,000 in downtown flags and banners, is that what we were projecting in the the next budgets money we were going to want to use? So if we
move over, for instance, 20,000 from downtown signage to 2526, it's going to add on top of our what we had projected we would want to do next year's budget. Of course, we can adjust it then. But so, okay. So, so anything
in 2526 now was what we thought we would want to put in from the next year's budget, which we have not yet finalized or figured out, right? So, so everything that's not yellow on the left is money that was not spent last year.
Is everything that's in yellow actually was spent last year or generally it was or That is correct. Okay. So um okay but but if you look at the doll for example to clarify if you look at the
the 151 doll hall it was budgeted at 20,000 and then below that the lines are the running balance of what was spent and then the remainder the remainder is 6,329. So that remainder
6,329 should be carried over into this upcoming year and it was not. So it's hard to tell what we have. So everything that's in the C the balance line item is money that was not spent this year.
Right. Correct. Okay. Can can we just go down them? I mean it might be easier because that's kind of where I'm lost too trying to figure out okay what did we budget? And I think in the project cost 23 2425
column, right? That's what we budgeted. And then trying to see like it looks like journal plaza we budgeted nothing but it was a carryover. We spent 74,000 but the project cost estimated at 40. Okay. So,
and and let's just stay with the just to kind of pick one of them because the downtown signage, we said we're going to spend 20,000. We have nothing. And now we're saying no, no, no. We're going to break it into four years of 5,000 each. Am I reading that right?
Yes. That was already there. And so what we're saying is that because we didn't do this in 2425, we need to take that 20,000 and we need to move it over to 2526, but add it to the 5,000 that's already there because those 5,000 5,000 while it
adds up to the 20, it was not actually part of the 20. It was intended that we we'd keep spending money each year, okay, and allocating in forward years, we'd have to allocate it, which we haven't yet. So we'd actually be putting having 25,000 theoretically allocated. Okay. Gotcha.
And can I ask you just a general question? So I know last year when we did budgeting, we found that there was money sitting there that had not got spent in the year before, right? This year there's money that we had that we didn't spend in this year. So generally
speaking, how much was do we actually have that's not spent from previous years and this year at the end of this budget or at this moment, right? I mean, are we talking that's going to carry over and add on top of what we get in this next budget cycle, right? Are we
talking hundreds of thousands? What are we talking about generally? Hundreds. Yes. And and I apologize. We Rachel is out as we stated before. She is out due to a death in the family. So, we are filling in the gaps and Eva worked on
this heavily and it is our reality. So, it is not an excuse, but Eva is out now sick as well. So, I'm going to do my best to answer the questions, but do you have that the numbers there, Ken? That was in our we have um a booklet that we put together for the
budget workshop. Mhm. And that was those were the numbers that we provided for. So, this says 219,609 in the 2425 year ending just a month ago. So, that means we spent 219,000 in
the last budget cycle. Okay. But how much is left in the bank that's not been spent today? I will have to get that for you. You'll have to get it. I want you. Okay. Sorry. Um Rachel was trying to firm that up last week. I was out for a conference and then due to the
death in her family, she would not was not able to get me any updated numbers outside of this. Right. And do we know yet what amount is going to get added to the budget in the next cycle or it's too soon to know? It's too soon to know that yet. But theoretically, it shouldn't be less than last year's. No, it should be more.
No, no. Yeah, but should it be less? Yeah. Okay. It shouldn't be less. Okay, that clarifies a lot. Thank you. Where are you saying 219,000? Oh, she just hand. Do you want to hand it back and I'll give it to now? Yeah. So,
21. So, so we need to be saying this in the microphone, not Hey, Ken, we we shouldn't be having sidebars so that other people showing me this. I understand, but we've got the public and and you have to Sure. No, I'll explain.
So, go ahead, K. So, she had a sheet of paper that showed how much money was expensed in that this last category year, and it's 219,000 according to this sheet was spent. But I think our budget year started off with over 300,000
available, right? But I I don't know the exact number. That's what we're figuring out. And we're not doing the budget tonight. We're just reviewing projects as as they were done. I don't know if anybody has any questions about the ones in yellow that were actually done. um any kind of
review on those? I don't think we really have any updates. I think it's pretty much what the figures are what they are as far as what's happened this year. I could go through if if I could um I could highlight I know they're not
numbered so maybe we'll take and number the projects where it'll make it easier for ease of looking at if you want to just go down and then just say this whatever just go down all of them then let's Well, I was going to say if we on the as Councilwoman Ibrahart said on the first page the three that were highlighted
that's the three we would like to slate over and just move over to the 2526. We would propose that. If you flip the page though and go to the next page, I'd like to draw our attention to let me see.
I got it, Tina. I'll take I'll try to let me see if I can blow it up. But if we will look at the Dow Hall parking and sidewalk. Okay, we're saying to move that over as well because we still need to work on that project. The other thing
is the Dowha patio. So, right above that, and Harry, you may have to help me out here a little bit on this one because we even I wrote in I think there's we we spent about $1,000 on that, but there's still 19,000 patio.
I'm sorry. You're talking about on the patio? Yes, sir. We haven't spent anything yet. I'm waiting on I have GNR developer or excuse me, GNN developers are supposed to get a drawing, a preliminary drawing for that.
cost 500 bucks, but the company that is supposed to be doing that has yet to supply us with their W9 so we can put the requisition in and get them paid. So, I'm waiting on them to submit that before I can put the requisition in for that.
So, there will be 20,000 that'll carry over because we don't anticipate that work will be completed before the new budget starts. Do you want that in the motion when we get to the end of this? Okay. with the suggested changes. Yep. And we could do it all at one time if
we'd like. Yes. Let's do it all at one time. So, um, we have the Dow Hall patio 20,000. We have the Dow Hall parking and sidewalk that we would like to move over. And we have
So, as Mr. Leblanc said, it would carry over the 20 and add it. I'm sorry, the 60 and then move over. And now it has 40 to move over. So do you want to move 60 or 40? We would That'll be 100, right? I'm sorry.
Wouldn't that would the 40 is what we projected next year we would spend, right? So correct. But on this it's 60 now. Yeah. On Yeah. On this item, we would say move the 60 over to the 2526 and move the 40 over to the following
year, which would be the Okay. 2627. I'm sorry. Now I'm confused. Where are you coming with the 40? Okay. On page two, it's got the Dhal patio. The next one is Dow Hall parking and sidewalks. And it says 60,000. The
suggestion is is to move it the 60,000 over to 2526 and move the 40 over to 2627. Perfect. Thank you. And that would all be part of the motion at the end. Correct.
Okay. Does everybody agree on that? Yeah. Following again. Um, how about this? The the three Taylor Park issues. We want to move that over to 2526 as well. Yes, ma'am. That would be correct.
Okay. So, that 15,000 would move over. And we're talking about Taylor Park sidewalk. 15,000 to 2526. The next one's Taylor Park irrigation. Move that over
to 2526. And then Taylor Park Trees 5,000. Go ahead and move that over to 2526. Gotcha. Does everybody agree on that? I'm good. Say that again. Deb, let me
mark it up, please. Can Okay. Can you No. Can you say that again? Yes. Okay. So, okay. So, we agreed on the patio, Dow Hall patio, moving it over.
The 60,000 is going over to the parking and sidewalk to 2526. And the 40,000 that's slated for 2526 for that parking and sidewalk is going to 2627.
So there'd be 60,000 and 40,000. Um D Hall playground, we're not going to do anything with that. We're going to leave it at 50. The next one's Taylor Park sidewalk 15,000. We're going to move that over to 2526.
Taylor Park irrigation 10,000. We're going to move that over to 2526. Taylor Park Trees, we move that 5,000 over to 2526. Okay. Thank you. and and then move all the remaining
balances on various items over to 2526. What's that? Well, all the remaining balances were things that were started, but we have money left. We have to either move it over or total to if it if project is done, we need to total it
and somehow get it back in. When does the budget end for CRA? because I have a estimate here to do more work that's in that lef over 6,000 for the 20,000 budget we had for the rehab.
It follows It follows with our budget. So, the new budget will begin in October. So, do you want me to wait on that till October or continue working over there? No, no, you can continue right now. The money's there. Money's there. We'll we'll be able to true it up.
And remember that um the budget itself, the way that it is is written, we break it out on our CIP by projects, but that is not how the budget reads. So it gives us a little flexibility on the actual CRA budget.
That was all we had on this page, but if you flip to the next page, we do want to draw your attention to under the Steuart Park pavers. If you look where it says Deain Park railing, we have Deain Park camera system and
Deain Park gazebo roof. This is at the bottom quarter of the page. And could you say that again, please? Yes, ma'am. If we look at there's the Deain Park railing we have at 30,000.
We also have Deain Park camera system at 15. a Deain Park gazebo roof at 30. So, this is really for the gazebo and there's been a lot of discussion about this. Um Allan is out obviously, so
Harry has graciously accepted to help out. Allan has said that this just needs to all be clumped together for the gazebo at Deain Park. Part of what we've been told is that the railing is going to cost too much to replace. Allan, I mean, Harry, what did Alan say exactly
about that to you on on that? Do you recall? He said that the railing is going to be about what did he say? 75,000. Yeah. To replace just the railing with gold because it's I was like he said is it
gold? That's my reaction. What? Where is that estimate coming from? I my understanding is he said that because it is more so of a home build opposed to a commercial build and they said that
they have patched and tried to basically duct tape it as much as they can and we can't any longer and so the safety of the structure is in question. So it has to be totally replaced. So we're going to have to get more we need to get some more quotes and some work on this.
I don't question it being replaced. It's the price tag. Yes. Correct. Yeah. What are we going to replace it with? I'm assuming at that price you're talking about doing aluminum powder coated or something like that. Some type of metal railing he was replacing it want to replace. It sounds like to me that he's saying if
you put the 30,000 15,000 and 30,000 just lump it together that 75,000 for the gazebo and then they can spend it on the gazebo as necessary. Okay. One of the reasons the price was
driven up was the lengths of each piece of railing. No two were the same. Each one would have to be independently fabricated by hand to fit. That's one of the reasons the price were driven up the way they were. It's it's
it's nothing on that is is uniform. So it all individual every individual piece would have to be fabricated individually is what Allan was saying. Well, I guess the question is it a system, you know, that's being used or
is it being fabricated from scratch from a fabricator who's cutting steel and you know welding each piece and stuff like that, you know. So I guess it depends on what kind of system you're doing whether it matter if you're using a system it's doesn't matter what lengths you can order them they'll come through your
lengths but uh but if you're doing it in structure you know steel and having your steel you know powder coated or something like that I guess so I guess you know it's hard for us to understand why it'd be so expensive because we don't know the system you're you're talking about using you know so I guess
you're you're not going to use PVC again is that right so you want to go to metal All right. So, it's either going to be aluminum or steel, you know, and do you know you don't know which yet or you do know? I do not know what he's You don't know the answer to that. Have an estimated.
Yeah. I guess the key is you want to get multiple prices, you know, so that feel comfortable with spending that much money. Yeah. I'm sure during the year he'll come back to us. But what I guess he's saying here is that lump it all together and then he's going to have to work on seeing the
pricing. Um, so I think that was the object to just move that 30,000 15,000 30 all to lump them together for 75,000 and just name it gazebo and that way he can try to get it worked out.
So I have a councilwoman Iberhart comment is and I'm glad that you know our town attorney is here. We during the budget meeting, we had the discussion if CRA money can be used for repairs or if
it needs to be new. We talked about roads, but now we're talking about a gazebo. Yeah. Okay. And I got I told Charlotte, I emailed her, I got my head straight. I reviewed the documents. when I heard I I
had originally talked to Christy Vasquez from the Sebring CRA like when I day two on the job and um I remember her saying you cannot be used for maintenance. It was very clear on that and I so that stuck in my head and I think the
interpretation is it cannot be used for mowing the lawns that kind of maintenance. So general fund operations versus Yeah. So, but resurfacing or whatever is okay. Okay. So, you don't have a concern. I know you've brought it up a couple
times. I mean, clearly the gazebo is is an important icon in that park. It needs to have whatever repairs need to be done. So, we're good. Okay. So, we can't charge off pressure washing, but we can do actual repairs.
So, okay. Does everybody agree on that? Then we're going to just lump those three categories. railing, camera system, and gazebo roof into 75,000. And then we'll address it during the year, what it's going to be used for. Okay. And and before we go too far, the
uh 15,000 uh for park benches that wasn't spent this year should also slide over. Where's that at? I'm sorry. Just just above the uh I see. Okay. So, so that would give you though that would
be 30,000. You want to add it. You want to bring that 15 over and make 25 26 30,000. Okay. Yes, that's that's what I'm seeing. Yeah. Okay. So
that'll be part of the motion as well. Our goal is to have this cleaned up and we will also send it out with more updated numbers and we will email it and then it'll also be discussed in our council meeting because the town council will vote on it. Now would it be appropriate for me to
suggest other projects or Yes, ma'am. This is the time we want to know so that we can incorporate that in there. There are two things I'm thinking. We just had the street lights repainted and they look wonderful. I would like to take the money that was
going to be used for street lights and use it for playgrounds and push push the lighting off indefinitely. The street lights to me that was a wish. Uh and playgrounds are more important.
Can I can I just interject quickly here? I've been doing a little calculating with the pen and the calculator here. Um, our paper here says that we will have for 2425 $337,000.
If we add in everything that we talked about just now that we're going to move into 2526, that's a total of $25,000. So that would give us a total that we are moving into 2526
of 542,000. So if if that was if that was correct. No, wait a second. That's not that's that's not right because that 337 includes
some of that that we spent. It includes everything in that column, even what is in yellow. So I have to subtract that out. So I'll do that in just a moment. But I can come up with a number. The remaining balances that we have um in we have in three projects we have remaining
balances streetscape of 17,405 the hall building of 6329 and Steuart Park pavers 505 for a total of 28,739. I don't know if any of these projects um
have additional monies to be spent or that could be spent by the end of the year, but um that's that's where we are with that. Actually, it's got to be spent in like six weeks. Yeah, exactly. So, it would have to be
something that maybe is already on the burner, right? You know, you buy something and plug it in, right? That's what we used to call it that versus a construction. Exactly. Um Joy, I would just like to follow up on the comment you're making for the lighting. Lighting to me is important, right? I mean, you go down
Main Street, I mean, and again, the Christmas parade, it is dark and there are some areas you have to use flashlights to get, especially in the women's club and that in front of there. So, the lighting I think is a priority for safety. So, I would not like to see
lighting, at least the replacement bulbs or something to be pushed out. I mean, I'd rather see benches pushed out because they're, you know, even though they're nice, they're cosmetic, but lighting is what's critical. And when Florida Regional Planning had its workshops, that was something that came
out very strong with the lighting. Um, as far as the question I have of adding more things, the only thing on playgrounds is we're going to have the master plan. If we want to put contingent money somewhere, that's fine. But we're going to have the master plan
and I'd rather them come back with what we need where and then they'll even have estimate of how much it costs. Um because and we are talking about moving money, but we're moving it. And so we're
still going to get the numbers from Eva. I don't I don't have those with me. um Charlotte Du of how much new CRMA money is coming our way. My back of the envelope, it's going to be two 300,000 more. So, that's going to help us in
kind of those additional projects that we would like to see. Um I and I wanted to come back to the sidewalks at some point because we talked about the Park Street sidewalk, the people getting down to, you know, the historical museum. you get a lot of people that come in and
they go down to the historical museum and um we really need to somehow address that, you know, versus them walking in the road and then walking up the road and and that. So, I know that was something we were supposed to do. Whether that's part of a bigger master
plan, I'm fine. But I don't want to lose the thought of sidewalks for walkability and safety are very important. Should be prioritized higher. Yeah, I think somehow the the Park Street was taken out, but it should be in there. The what?
I think Park Street was taken out, but I agree. It shouldn't be in there. It's in here. It's just we skipped over it. Yep. It's just a very thin line right here. Is Park Street the sidewalk that's supposed to go from the um train museum up to the chamber? Yeah. Yeah. I think that that just I
mean honestly that needs to get engineered. I assume we have to have some engineer since we don't I don't think we have a town engineer now. We probably need to get a town some kind of engineer to engineer that so that it can get quoted so it can get done. So if nothing else get the engineering going.
um that is a much larger project and I would love to say that it would be done quickly but um if you recall in our budget workshop for us to get we for it to be engineered it's going to cost us over $70,000 and we did not budget for
that. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes. So it's $70,000 for us to be able to get a downtown street and pavement plan which would include sidewalks. The other caveat. So you're you're talking though the wider downtown, not just that one path.
We have to address the you're going to have to address everything because we also have a storm water issue that has to be addressed down there. Yeah. So it can't be just a cherry picked. We're going to have to do it. I'm going to say this, but the right way. We're going to have to do it the right way. So are you saying the $70,000
engineering cost will actually address downtown drainage issues and sidewalk issues all at the same time? Correct. And it also will evaluate the current um condition of all of our roads that we are responsible for and will set us up for a pavement replacement plan or
resurfacing or whatever the case may be. However, will that actually be engineered plans that we could, you know, act upon and use to get bids to get the work done? Correct. by Kimley Horn and the city of Sebring and city of Avon Park have both used them and they've already implemented it to be part of the bigger
plan with the county because the county is re is required to handle our storm water. Right. And if that's something the CRA is allowed to pay for, you know, the $70,000 in engineering cost that not that I've been able I I did speak with Jennifer Cotto Salisbury at um the
Florida League of Cities. She we all just returned so she was going to look at that a little bit more in depth. Okay, that's important. I mean, whether it be us or the town pay for it, that I think definitely needs to be addressed. I like to say something. I I do think there's something we can do to spend some more of this money, maybe even this
year because we've done so much work with flower pots and landscaping, everything we already have. We know what it costs and so on. Um I think that um something that I think maybe you've brought up in the past was um we could put flower pots on, you know, we had
originally planned to put flower pots on Inner Lake. We ended up rellandscaping Inner Lake but not putting any flower pots. Right. There are probably landscape areas on Inner Lake that are have landscaping and irrigation right now. Now that we could drop some flower pots, the same pots that we used on Main
Street. Drop those same pots into inner lake landscape areas where they don't block traffic view. And um don't have to do pavers on it because it's inside a landscape area so it doesn't need pavers. And we simply take the irrigation that's already in there, put
a whip into the flower pot and into the reservoir. And we could probably add some flower pots into Inner Lake pretty easily. We just have to identify wh which locations work, don't obstruct view, you know, and stuff like that. So, we might be able to spend some more money to do some of the flower pots that
we originally planned on doing in Inner Lake, but we we sidetracked it because we knew that um we didn't have irrigation on those concrete triangles, right? So, but I do think there are places that we could put this into downtown very easily on Inner Lake, you know, cost- effectively. No pavers, just
pots and flowers with irrigation that's existing and maybe we could explore that, you know, spend some more of that money. So, what we have here is um when I do the calculations correctly, we have $393,000
that we're going to be moving from this year into 2526. The remaining balances are the total remaining balances is streetscape 17,405 the D hall building 6329
and Steuart Park pavers 505 which gives us a total of 28,739 that are the remaining balances in the accounts that we have so far. Um would it be possible to take some of that
17,405 in the streetscape and use it for um some more of these flower pots? Or is there any possibility to move any of that money into doing a little something
in the parks? Can we move that into something in the parks? Maybe. Can we move streetscapes to park? Um, you know, I mean, I I don't know what our our what we're allowed to do here, but you you can, Councilwoman Hayes, because
this is our CIP, and the way that it's broken out on the budget is it's just with the GL numbers. It doesn't it's not specific to projects. They're not specific to projects. So, you're saying Yes, ma'am. You can you can. And I do have numbers for you.
Um because my town clerk, madame clerk Eva, is homesick and she's tuning in anyways because that's how dedicated she is. So estimated next year revenue for the town is 112,636 plus
242,244 that will be contributed from the county. So we have a total estimated at 354,880 anticipated for next year. So 2526. Yes, ma'am. Additional. Yeah. Additional 39.
Additional to the balance that we have right now. I swear I was talking. Oh well. In addition to the 393. So that would give us about 700,000 alto together. So we can do lights and parks. Correct. Yeah,
if I learned anything while I was I just want to clarify the the question that we made about streetscape and moving that then streetcape comes off and is replaced with something.
Well, yeah, but I think we'd have to add it back in. That's what that's why I'm saying it. Yeah. Well, but just on this process, I don't know that we pull off, you know, we pull off this year versus push it outward because it's
a CIP. It's just a timing of when it's spent is what we're saying. So, we would push it out to a future year so you could use that funding next year for something else. It wouldn't fall off. Yes, I think that's the idea because the
the streetscape 17,000 if we can use some of it now and put some pots on Interlake, I think our our businesses on Interlake would be pleased with that. Um but um and I would like to see it go into the uh the parks into some of the
equipment, but there's no way in heaven we can get the equipment in in the time frame like you like you indicated. It's like six weeks. But so if we take that remaining balance and move it over that changes my numbers of course, but that's good that we can move that over into next year and then we have money there
for the for the for the parks. I think also when we think about doing playgrounds and parks, we should think about shade structures in parks. You know, it's so hot these days, you know, put four big poles with big, you know, um covering or something. Some of these some of these things come
with it. Don't they kind of come with it? No, there are options, but absolutely. You know, we talk about trees, but then trees become high maintenance and that you talk about the sun shades and then the downside I don't agree with, but the downside is oh, hurricanes and you have to take them down. But I mean, those are
the things you look at. Absolutely. We need the sun shades. So, I'm going to throw some numbers out there for you on sun shades because I will throw a few numbers out there depending on the size. We're looking at a minimum of 40,000 for a small one for one. And we we just learned that at the at
the league conference. Um, so just keep that in mind that when we have the playground, so they encourage the trees because of the cost of putting in so many shades or there are options. I do have some pictures as we when we get finished with this that we'll be able to show you on some different parks that we
looked at, but they said a mix and a combination between the trees and the shade structures because it makes it more cost effective. I'm okay with trees, you know, for shade as long as we if it's well thought out, you I think, you know, concrete
sidewalks, park benches on concrete pads, tables on concrete pads, you know, trees planted in, you know, the right location to create shade where the kids are going to play and stuff. I think that's that's all really good planning. So, I think, aren't we talking about somebody coming into all our parks and
Yeah. And that's we call it the master plan. Yeah. And and when I said parks, I was thinking just put in a chunk of money on a line item and wait for the master plan, but just get it down here that it's in our heads. Get the money and then wait for the plan.
Yeah. Is the master plan on in the works right now? Is that something that Charlotte, you can it was approved at the last meeting to go ahead and proceed. So is there any update on when they're going to start? There there's no update. There's no update. We had council meeting last
Monday and I left right after that for Florida League of C count Florida Florida League of Cities and returned late last night. So no, there is no update. I'm sorry, not right now. I will have that forthcoming later. I just want to make one more quick comment here. We have to um I think we
have to work in concert with our code enforcement people with Dana too because we're talking about uh doing downtown signage and flags and banners uh which right now we can't do the way our codes are. So these things
have to go hand in hand because we could allocate this money for next year and want to put flags and banners because that's again what the downtown merchants want and I agree with their want in that regard but we're our hands are tied because our code doesn't allow us to do that right now.
Well that's why it had to get moved from this year to the next year because of that. But but then we have to remember next year we have to address that. Yeah. Well, I think the idea was is to get the plan and then we do the change any kind of code issues at the same time. We do it all at once.
That would be good, right? So, we're just waiting for the plan. I agree um that we should wait, not her scarum. I mean, I'd love to see us start working on parks, but I think we have to wait for the master plan. Oh, yes. Just sticking something in there because
we're trying to do something. I don't agree with that. I think Well, no, no, no, no. I didn't mean just stick something in. I meant put the money in as a line item and sold with the intent that when the master plan is developed then we use
whatever is in this line item. No, I agree with you totally. And then I wanted to just say too that I've had so many com compliments, never had so many compliments except on the flower pots. People really really like those. So I just wanted to throw that in there too.
I think they would look nice on Inner Lake and I agree and people they would love the merchants would love to see that. Yeah, people on Interlake are clamoring for pots. So, I mean, can we leave this meeting today knowing that, you know, Charlotte in the town is going to work towards
getting pots on Interlake using money we already have? That's, you know, excess money this year. And then, do we need to add more money because I think we have what, $6,000 left over from that kind of category. So, will we need to move money from another category to that category in order
or you think we have enough? If you just um Well, I'm going to look at my town attorney over here because it's the CIP is project specific. However, the budget is
not. If you make a decision here and you make a vote that says that if it's anything over the 6,000, you authorize the town administrator and staff to move forward with and put a cap on it. We've done that before where you could say not to ex exceed over whatever the amount is
that you want it to be. I believe we could do it that way. I don't know. I'm looking at my boss over here, town attorney. I would follow what you're trying to do and I could not. Okay. Could you try that again, please? So, we have a remaining balance of say
$6,000 for a project. Okay. But they would like to be able to allocate additional money to go to that project. They would just make a a motion for that. Same project. Same project. You're going to move it from one project into this one.
Correct. Yeah. I'm sorry. Correct. You're Is that a budget amendment? No, it would not have to be a budget amendment. So, you're just moving it from one line to another and it's already allocated for that project. It's already so the way that it's set up
for the CRA is it's very different. We have GL codes that we use overall and our CIP is project driven. So the CIP has project I guess what I'm trying to say is it's no different. All the money is in your checking account no matter how you use it.
But it's a budget it's a budget amendment because you're moving it from one project to another. We're moving it from a street streetcaping project that was approved to a landscaping project. She's saying no, it's not. That it's a general line item.
Correct. On the budget itself, it's a general line item. So, we're using this as though it's our budget, but it's not. This is just the CIP. So, the capital improvement. Are you going to do that before your next CRA meeting? Is that the point? We
will actually do this at council because council will have to vote on the budget answer that by council. Correct. So we're good then. Correct. Okay. So yes, you can. So you can make the decision here and then council will vote on it when we do
our budget. So you need the 6,000. Do you need another figure additional up to? We need an up to figure. So take the 6,000 and then add to whatever you all decide. 12. I mean, I would say let's add 12,000
give you 18,000. I don't know that you're going to spend that much, but you know, I want you to be able to accomplish, you know, decent flower pots and flowers on Inner Lake looking at you. Yeah. I just wanted to clarify because in past meetings, we've made
decision in the meeting to move like 32,000 from one to the other. We approved it and off we went. And that's how we ended up having the money for South Maine. So, I don't understand why this would have to go because we're a CRA board, right? Properly noticed.
You know, budget items is a whole different I kind of want to get into but but what we're doing right now is managing the budget for 2425 that have been approved. But we're saying because some things aren't being done, we want to take money from
streetscape that's already in the 2425 budget and move that to flower pots. flower, right? And and I I don't think it has to go to the next town council meeting. I think that's part of this decision makingaking board. Yeah.
Yes. So, you will make the decision here, but you don't set you're making the projects, but the council has to vote for this to be the budget, if that makes sense. But but next year's budget, yes, but this year's budget, do they have to vote after?
No. No. No. No. Right. I'm talking about spending money now before next year's budget to get flower pots on move it. You're just going to move it. No, what what we're talking about is moving money from streetscape and lighting into
uh downtown flower pots all within the CRA budget. Not moving into the town budget or anything else. just from from one line to the other. Just as simply as we took 32,000 from septic and sewer and 30 thou 30,000 from the Park Street
sidewalks to come up with 92,000 in downtown flower pots in the first place. So all we're doing now is going to take this extra uh we're going to use the 6,000 that's extra plus some of whatever
we want to say. Um that's 17,45 that's left in the streetscape to move that to downtown pots all in this budget year. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And our year ends on September 30th. So So do we need a motion?
It's only a month. So it's our year end is not December 31st. It's September September 30th. 30th. So it'll it's going to come really fast. So if we change this now Yeah. and we do Okay. How much additional do you want to add? Now, Mr. Levanc, are
you talking 12,000 total with the six or add 12 to the six? I was saying add 12, but I'm not sure where the $17,000 number that Nell Hayes said was coming from. I saw 20,000. Oh, I guess I can't tell you that because the public can't look, but it's in streetscape and lighting. It says
balance. The streetscape and lighting was Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. 17,000. Yeah. Yeah. And and we got six left. So, I I would say, you know, let's take maybe 10,000 of that amount and add it to the 6,000 that's left in the other category.
So, um and then we'll leave 7,000, you know, in the lighting budget, basically. So, I guess I'll make a motion to take $10,000 from the streetscape and lighting category added to the
um balance of what's in the All right. All right. Having a hard time figuring the title flower pots downtown flower pots which I'm still not finding. So add that to the downtown flower pots budget. And then you know um and that being you
know if we approve that right and if it's in there then the town can spend the money. They don't have to wait months to spend it. They could actually order pots whenever they're ready. Right. Right. It doesn't have to go back in front of town council which is what you
guys were saying. We we don't have to go back downtown council. They have the budget then to spend. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, that's my motion. Take $10,000 from the streetscape and lighting budget and put it into downtown flower pots. I think we were going to wait till the
end, but we can do a motion in the middle if you want to or we can do it all at the end and say this is part of the end of the motion with and that motion would be that everything that we've discussed and agreed on at the end of it and this will be something you all agree on. Does everybody agree on that?
Okay. On adding the 10. Okay. All right. So, at the end of this, we're going to make one motion to do all of these changes. On the other hand, maybe we should make it simpler and and cut it up rather than the a five minute motion reiterating
everything. Make one motion for the things that get transferred over, another motion for this one, and then if anything else comes up, it' be an additional motion. Whatever you all, what's your pleasure? whatever you all would like to do. We can do it any any way we want to as long
as it's approved. So, I mean, is there any other things that people want to discuss? I have I have one more. Um the uh Sebring CRA is having um transferring some of their money for police presence
in downtown Sebring and uh it's partly just for police presence and sometimes it's just like like if somebody needs information. So I was wondering chief how he would feel about it if we took whatever hours like four hours a day, 5 hours a day and
then that money would alleviate that would bring down the required revenues from the town budget, transfer that to the CRA budget. It would kind of help us try to cut down on our mill rate. Does our
That's if you would want your guys walking around downtown for a couple hours a day. Does our I'll call it bylaws. Yes, it allows allow that. Ours I know ours is different than CBR. Yeah. No, I checked that out. It does allow for um let me see for salary.
What does it say here? It says, yeah, it says um on page 54 of our bylaws, um we have the power to approve the development of community policing innovations. And on page 64, also allow our support for increased or dedicated
town of Lake Placid Police Department patrol within the district. So, it's definitely within our purview, but it's up to you. I'm not sure that it will only reduce our other budget because as I think the officers have to be available to go out on call and they
would be leaving to go out on call. Well, that's something we would have to look at because right now we do only run one officer per shift to dedicate them to foot patrol. They're not a they're not able to respond as rapidly. Um, what
we would have to look at is possibly creating a position for that type of foot patrol. Yeah. Unless they would have their patrol car nearby and they could go to a call. But if it's a dedicated position like it says there. No, no, no.
It doesn't say dedicated. It doesn't say dedicated position um support for or uh within patrol within the district. Okay. And just a reminder, when Sebring is doing that, they run three officers and a supervisor per shift. There's a
total of four minimum out there at any given time. So, they can pull one off to do that foot patrol while the others are still answering calls and it doesn't affect their response times where with us that would affect response times greatly. Again, if you get out of
your car and you walk start walking, you got to come back. You have to come back. Mhm. So, we'd have to we'd probably have to add a position to do that, wouldn't we? No. Either add or reallocate what we're
already doing. Well, okay. And I I'm not going to say it's an impossibility. I I believe that there may be a possibility we could use one of our reserve officers possibly for that position and have them come out and do foot patrol.
Okay. And I was also I was trying to be creative on how to reduce the amount the town needs to get the millage rate down but by transferring it over to the CRA. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. And I I think you we can explore
that but with one officer you can't you I don't know. I don't know how that's I think we should explore it and if it works that'd be great. If not then we just have to that's a great idea. So, but I I don't know that you can really I
don't know. We only have one. I think we need to be very careful strategizing of what you just said to reduce the millage rate by putting funding over in the CRA. Just
just I mean I would want the town attorney to look to see based on that sentence. And again, Sebrings has a whole different CRA and we know that. Um, so just let's put it to him to see is that something that can be done. What
does innovation really mean? So, yeah, I'm fine with that. I'm just throwing it out for an idea. Um, can we come back to playgrounds? I mean, we've kind of scooched over it. I I do think and we are kind of in the
the middle here with we've approved a master plan. It's going to kick off. It's probably going to take a couple months and they're going to come back with the 12 different parks. A lot of them are within the CRA districts. Um, we can get, you know, matching grants
with ARPAC. You know, we informed you 75 up to 75,000 a year, but you have to match it, right? So, um, and again, maybe I'm jumping ahead for the budget for for next week's, but but we have been jumping ahead, right, when we said,
um, parks and that. So, Charlotte, do you want to just anything beyond what we've just shifted over what we already have just table it for a discussion at the budget meeting? We actually have if we go through um the
next topic that we have is 4B. Um, if if I could make a suggestion, maybe we pause this portion and go through and then let's circle back around to this because I think as we walk through this, there will probably be additional changes that we will will note. Um, I
know that we don't want to do any playgrounds, but we have to keep in mind that we do have a FRAP grant that we have to act on immediately. August 1st, the window opens. Um, it's already opened and so we need to make a decision here this evening on where we would like that to be. So,
let's let Okay, let's um let's go ahead and put this on pause. We're going to come back to we haven't finished 4A. We're going to come back to that after we talk about B park priorities in the CRA district. Thank you.
Yes, please. Okay, finishing not finishing but close to finishing the audience, please. Pam Fentress 12373 Lost Lake Drive Lake Placid. So, as I read your agenda packet and went on the web and looked at the
the CRA mission statement and read the 60s something page report, this what is what hit home to me. The mission of the CRA um to eliminate and prevent conditions of slum and blight for funding eligible
infrastructure projects such as sidewalk, sidewalk improvements, road repaving, storm water, um have street lights, water and wastewater collection, treatment system improvements, and then it goes on and a
lot of the CRA is to remove blight in an area to uh incentivize business from coming in, encourage the development of lots. So, I don't understand how it matches up the building, the Dow Hall Boulevard. I know last year it was it
was talked about and the patio and all this stuff, but all of a sudden you've got like $120,000 going into a building um that was purchased and I don't see it matching any of your key mission statements. And then once again, if
there's a focus around one area of town instead of the other parts, you're going to in February 2026, you're supposed to have a 1 million gallons a day wastewater treatment plant up and running. And one of the core things uh of this CRA mission statement was water
and wastewater. And I don't know um if y'all are thinking about that. It's great to have flowers and all the other stuff, but if you don't have the infrastructure in place and the storm water management, I think you're missing out. And nothing against Boulevard, but
that thing was rehabbed, spent 16,000 on it. Is it hasn't been rented out yet? And if it does get rented out, is it rented out for $35 for a half day? um there's just a lot more involved in it and that I I think you should like
consider, but um I think you got to I understand it's a big pot of money and there's a lot of different areas that you you could spend it in, but I think you got to get to back to your core areas and water and wastewater is huge. If you're in the downtown historic
district and there's not lines to be able to hook up to people, I think that should be a focus. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to throw something out here. Um along the lines of what she's saying, uh sewer lines and you got new sewer plant coming on and you know where you
have new tie-in opportunities. Um on Michigan Street and Ohio Street, you know, behind the hometown network on Inner Lake there, there's two streets. Um there's sewer at the end of the street over by Sammy's Pizza, right? Um those two streets that go all the way up
have a lot of vacant lots on them that have not been built on. Um, I'm about to build I've got seven houses. Now, I know this is self- serving, but I got seven houses I'm going to build up those two streets um in the near future. And um and there's no sewer there, which means
except a tank of drain field on all those houses. Um and but I'm building on seven lots. There's probably I don't 30 40 lots on those two streets that are buildable. Maybe more than that. So, you know, I wonder if the town, you know, I
don't know what this the method is for getting sewer lines in, but it's it's force main system, so it's cheap lines to put in, right? Every house that I would put in, I'd have a sewer lift station. Every house, new house built there would have to have it. But, um, that's an opportunity to run two cheap
lines, you know, and have the future of 40 plus houses on it, you know, in the future. some already, you know, every house I build that I tie to sewer, I pay what, $3,200 tie-in fee, you know, plus the lift station, you know, so that's,
you know, that's some money, right? So, I don't know if we want to explore, like she's saying, what areas in town is the cheapest to put sewer lines in, closest to downtown that has vacant lots that will get built on, you know, and um and
should we put those lines in, right? versus just waiting for the expensive projects going out to Lake Chin Point down Catfish Creek around all the lakes. None of that's easy, right? But we do have some easy places to do. We're already looking at that. It's in the inner service boundary agreements
that we're having the conversations with the county on and where we need to develop at. I would encourage you speak with Bert Warner, our utilities director. He'll be able to fill you in. Okay. I'm sorry. I I would like to comment on
Pam's comment because I I agree with the Dale Hall. I mean, and and Charlotte, I almost wonder if we need to put that as a town council discussion because we purchased that property well over a year ago, right, for $300,000 and there it
sits closed. And so Harry's done some great things to get the inside already. And it's probably the inside's ready. You know, it gets to be that tradeoff is is 20,000 for a patio going to get us what?
And and I I thought of that when I go by there and I look at that corner and I think, wow, we can't even open the building because we're waiting for a a covered roof, a patio. We're still waiting on some other work to get done inside the building. Yeah. Uh, I mean, and again, how it's
been over a year, so what will it take to get that building so we can have a grand opening? And again, I I have really mixed feelings on is an investment in a patio worth it for that specific building. I mean, and we just made a decision not to
rent out here for the party rooms, right? Because of the issues with, you know, when people rent it out. So to to um Miss Fentress's point, are we going to get $3550 and what's the return going to be of renting it out for a patio?
What is it that I mean I know you did the handicap bathroom inside, right? Other than it doesn't have any nice outside area, you know, which it should. I don't think it's that expensive to well maybe it's 20 grand you know to do a covered patio outside but if we just
you know dedicate the money and focus the time it shouldn't be that complicated to get that place opened up and then I know we had a plan to do some paved parking and there was conversation about do we take up a bunch of the grass for paved parking we just go down the street and pave that for parking which right now you know it's dirt parking
which works you know better than nothing um but I think last year We said that we were going to focus on it this coming year, that we were going to try and get plans drawn and and get prepared to spend the money this coming year to do all of the work. I don't know how much preparation's been done for this coming
year, which is coming soon, but I think we need to, you know, somehow be going through that process of making decisions and um and is that happening now, Charlotte, or is it Harry? You could I mean he's So in this inside what's left is the
fire suppression system has to be put in. That's 4775. I have to put a a vent hood over the stove. Remove the microwave before that can be put in. Uh handicap ramps because the lip is too
high at the doors and 20,000 for that patio is nowhere near enough. Right. Yeah. Right. I mean, so I mean, I don't think we're talking money that we don't already have associated with doing this project. So, what's the holdup? Do we need to vote to approve something, you
know, to spend the 20,000 and do the patio? What's the hold up with doing this? So, I'm waiting on a company to supply us with a W9 to get a so we can get a preliminary drawing. They Nobody will estimate that patio without a drawing.
So the the preliminary drawing is 500 bucks and then that it's a deposit that will be applied and deducted from the final cost of engineered plans of about $2,000 that comes out of that 20. And
you and I spoke about what type of patio you want and I don't think there's one person that can build that for 20 grand is what I've been told. They're upwards of Yeah, I budgeted it out at 20 grand. So, I could build it for 20 grand. So, um I
mean, if the plans get drawn per what I drew and you put it out to bid somebody else buy them because I'm Yeah. about at the end of trying to find a contractor that will estimate that. I've called multiple. I think the point was also is time frame. So, what is your estimated time frame? I think
I don't have one. I mean, they have the this company hasn't even made a drawing of it yet. Well, how long are we waiting for the W9? because we could just switch to something. It's been within a week. The last week I've been waiting on that. Well, that's not long. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just make sure he has it. You know, if he's got it, he should be
It's taken this long because I finally found a contractor that's willing to give me an estimate on it. Nobody wants to estimate on it. Estimate the project. Oh, I think I gave you a budget for the project a while back. And um I realize it might be a conflict of interest for me to bid something. He can give me a budget, but that
doesn't make it another contractor's budget. No, but if I'm allowed to build it, you know, and the plans come out the way I showed, I'll build it for that price and then you'll have it done for the 20 grand. I thought that was a conflict of interest. If it's not a conflict of interest, you know, I get I guess I'm just asking what's the
return on that 20,000. I mean, put that money in the gazebo over at Deain Park, which gets used daily. I just And again, I'm just asking sometimes we learn more as these things kind of drag out, right? Um,
I think we can finish it on the inside and it doesn't have to. That's what I'm saying. The inside. Yes. Use that 20,000 to buy tables and chairs to put on the inside. Oh, well that's never come up of up. I don't think we can buy I don't think we can buy the tables and chairs out of
CRA. No, we can't. And that's slated on our town council budget so that we can we can't buy that out of here. So, that was the other thing, too, is we have to keep in mind we've got to be able to put the tables and chairs in there. Outside of that, we can have it up and ready to go. We I can probably have the rest of the
inside done before this budget is done. Yeah. Well, I I disagree that the porch is not worth 20,000 and it's not important. I think it's very important because that's an indoor building for having birthday parties, but the birthday parties that people are going to have are indooroutdoor because they're going to want to play in the
park with the kids and everything else. So, I think having your indoor to your outdoor to the park is very important and um so I really think it's worthwhile money to be spent. I mean, the building itself is really nothing to look at. You know, it's uh I wish it wasn't such a cheap cheesy building that was built,
but we're dealing with what we have, right? And so, I really think that, you know, having an outdoor covered area is important to that park. I think that park is important to downtown in general. And um you know, and that's why I think the town council bought the park. But I definitely think we should
follow through and I don't think it's terrible amount of money to to make it more functional and more usable and stuff like that. But, you know, parents are, you know, they're not going to want to have their party be only inside, you know. Um, they're going to want it to be like an indoor outdoor party, right? When you have kids and stuff. And then
then I think we had talked about trying to do things like, you know, there's a cheap cheesy, you know, tall chain link fence around the outside of it. Maybe we could change that to something in the next budget cycle that's, you know, nicer to look at, you know, more of an aluminum, you know, roon in style fence, you know, just around it.
Yeah. And I think if we Thank you for your comments. Is there anybody else that has any comments about capital improvement plan? So, our next B is park priorities in the CR area. So, we're kind of in already moved into 4 A 4B.
So, um, we could go ahead and do that. And my first comment following along with what we just been talking about is that whatever we build is going to be there for a very long time and I would like to have it look nice. Um it's important to get it right the first
time because we're all going to be looking at it for a very long time. So that's on my my comment for the anybody else um part priorities. It wasn't clear what you were just saying, Deborah. Pardon?
It wasn't clear what you were just saying. Sometimes the Okay, so we're at 4B now. Park priorities in CRA area. And I was just saying we were kind of already talking about parks because we're
talking about Dell Hall Park. Um, and I'm just saying that whatever we do with that building, following up on that, I would like to see the porch look nice because we're going to all look at it for a very long time. It's very visible
and if we're going to do it, I would like to have it look very, very nice instead of just let's just do it. Um, just my comment because these things you do it and then you look at it forever. So, and I want it to be functional. I think that's important, but I also think
it's important in the beginning to spend the money to make it look nice. Yeah. And you know, on that note, if the price, you know, doesn't come in at 20, but comes in at 30, you know, tell us that it came in at 30, you know, because we have might have the money to shuffle around to to still do it at 30, right?
We just need to get there. Said it would be 50 and up. 50 and up. That's a am I allowed to bid something, you know, that comes out of the town. That was going to be my next thing. How do you
No, yeah, maybe we just need more prices, you know, because Do you have somebody you can recommend? See, this is Is he allowed to do that? I don't know. That's part of So this is what these are challenges that we have as a municipality because what happens
is they know that we have to get quotes. They know and then they know that if they give that to us then if we go out for bid then they've provided a quote they can't bid. Now um the other part of that is that they we tie their hands and we're very
limited on who we have. So, what I made this comment a couple months ago, what I'm having is we don't have a a uh the drawing, the engineered plans, and nobody wants to bid it without plans. Yeah. Which you're you're sounds like you're getting done. So, you'll have
those plans done within the next month or two, I guess. I hope. Yeah. Once you get it, send them to me and then let me see if I can find some contractors that could bid it, right? And give you some help on that, right? So on this agenda item, right, I mean
there's no recommendation. Is this just information park priorities? Because I think we're clearly Spruce Park, right? Because it's a pocket park or gladiola, whatever we call that one. Spruce um for playground equipment and then bysentennial.
But until the master and maybe we go in with something, but I'm going to keep coming back when the master plan, you know, we've got the three acres of the Hillrest, which somebody's recommending turning it all into a dog cart. I don't know that that's the best use of that. But so you have that I I think we and I
don't have the answer for delaying some of these things of a final decision of the priorities until we get the workshops which is going to have the public's input on what type of amenities in which of the
locations and a lot of them are within the CRA district and in fact according to the CRA documents we have to have an annual workshop for just for public input,
but but for any CRA items, right? No, it's for in in our CRA documents. We're required to have an annual workshop and it says um to report on the status and progress of programs and projects to gather input from property owners,
citizens and interested parties regarding development activities and to discuss strategies relating to local development issues. Topics may include whether a dog park this is right from the original documents. Uh topics may
include if a dog park is desired, where it would be located, if a splash park, you know, so we we should be doing that. We are that's what we're doing right now. That's actually what we're doing right now. Well, my interpretation is that it's
where people we sit at tables and informal where people can like put like we the workshops that um Central Florida does where you put sticky notes on and you it's I don't I don't think you have to structure it
that way. If we want to do it, maybe next year, plan it that way and do it ahead of time. But right now, we're we're kind of on a time crunch. But you can have a workshop just like this or you can have it like that or you can, you know, you can even, you know, bring in somebody to
to facilitate the the workshop and then we just sit out there with people and and do whatever. So, um, but I I don't think we can do it this year, but I think it's a great idea. So, let you know, whenever we can do that, maybe we should do that, but we probably need to
have a facilitator, whoever's kind of heading that up, maybe even Harry could do that. But on this issue, um I I kind of saw this issue as when we get our plan and we're just kind of
we're just trying to appropriate money now whether we use it or don't. But the parks that I think that I am most interested that I think would make the most impact on our downtown um CRA or are um Stewart Park. No, let's see. Not
Steuart Park. What is the park? Um Can I interject real quick? Sure. Can I take over for just a moment so that I can explain do the presentation? Yes. Um I don't I do have it here and I have pictures of all of the parks so that it
will make it much easier for everybody. And if I may, there is a recommendation here. It's not under recommendation, but the item is here for discussion and review of all parks within the CRA district to ensure that the recommendations align with the CRA goals for enhancing recreational amenities,
addressing areas of blight, and improving quality of life for residents and visitors. We are seeking input on the final selection and phasing within the capital improvement plan. While I will agree that we need to have the master plan, we will miss a whole year
if we do not make a decision on fur money. And um I am very thankful that Councilwoman Hayes and Vice Mayor Worley attended the Florida League of Cities. Um just to note on that it has been 24 years since the town of Lake Placid has
had representation at this which means um that is two decades where we have been uninvolved in what is going on and how we can actually come up to the 20th century. In those conversations it has been very difficult conversations and
again they attended with me um and funding may not be there for a lot of grants. We are living in an uncertain world when it comes to the funding. And so if we're saying we're going to pass on another opportunity, that is something I think that this council really needs to think hard about because
we are not guaranteed any future funding. And as we already know that we are being audited by Doge, the whole state of Florida is being looked at and so there's no guarantee even for the county who has our pack money. And remember that we are in district five
which means that we are not guaranteed a $75,000. We will be competing with others. I understand that Carolyn Morrison had stated something that we would have it but that is not that is not we are there is no guarantee that the town will get any money and
especially since we have money that is out there still encumbered that we have not used in over two years and we have also given money back and then re got money. If we give money back this time, this will be a second project that we have given money back for ARPAC
and then we would have to return money to Furdap. I'm I'm not I know we're not talking about Lake June Park, but I am bringing it to the forefront so that we understand that there are decisions hard decisions that have to be made. Um our suggestion is to go through the
parks and look at them. And we would say that because Dow Hall or the bsentennial park as Mr. Lanc has said is almost ready. We can open the doors, but if we finish that park now, we have a totally open venue that we have. We're no longer
using here, but they can have birthday parties. They can have baby showers. They can have whatever it is else that they want to have there. And they have the amenities of the inside with the kitchen. And they also have a beautiful playground outside and a covered area. So now we're more appealing. We may not
be using it here in our government center. However, we are offering another meeting space for people to use. So, if we could go through, I think being able to see the parks that we have may be able to bring in some awareness of where we'd like to focus on. Um, so the first
park is going to be John's Park. And I know it's very difficult sometimes to see, but hopefully you can see it on the screen. And we'll go through everything just so you can see them all. Then we have Steuart Park. So Charlotte, real quick, your goal here
and and I get it is to narrow down because FERDAP is now until the end of August and and that could be up to two 200,000 grant. I mean, of course, we have to match it number one. Um but then and that would be and and so Lake June
Park already has the pickle ball so we can't go after Ferdak there but any of the others and you need our guidance on which of the two two different parks correct because you can have three open at once with Ferd as long as they're in different parks. Yes, ma'am. And what we would propose is
just do one FURDAP and let's pick another park where you can slate money off of the CRA for that park. Um and then that's where we are saying that if we go to Spruce Park because that is a heavily traffked used area. It also
takes um away from just in the downtown area as Miss Fentress had commented that we're we're focusing hyperfocusing on one area. this now shares it where we know that there is foot traffic and and um families that are using that very actively.
Okay, but let me ask this for clarification. Let's stay with Spruce Park and let's just make up something. You know, Harry, um I'm sorry, Allan put in over at Serenity Park or Taylor Park. Um and I think he said it was 57,000. So, let's just round it up. It's very
nice equipment at 60,000. So if we duplicated that over in Spruce Park, we could go in. Is there a minimum amount for Ferdap? Because we could we could still go in and I've seen other Spring Lake is not getting always the 200
141,000. So just making it up. We could go in for the picnic table, the bench, you know, the 50 60,000 of playground equipment, however we want, and then split it to at least apply for FURD app. Correct. for half of if they tell us no,
we can still go forward with our our 60. So that's why I I don't if if our thinking's right, I wouldn't narrow it to just two, I mean to just one, right? I'd say go for it, okay? Unless the the burden of all that paperwork
uh may be not worth it, but and that's what I was going to say before is Spruce Park, I think, is is critical for that area. We don't do anything over there and the children can walk over there and they can play there and they're probably a lot of them are going over there already. They just need
someplace to go. So I would say put money into that park. That'd be my priority. And then down from there park, please. It looks like the stuff was just painted. Is that right, Harry? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went by there the other
day. I'm like, "Wow, it looks brand new." But I knew it's and the other thing I was going to say is again and I understand that and I tal talked and linked to somebody about the the shaves but when you put in equipment um and I think we should do we should do
not just playground because we have a lot of we don't have a lot of children we need something that can be used by more children like maybe I was looking through some of those brochures 2 to 12 if it can be multifunctional just like for young children or just older
children. So, I think if we could I don't know, maybe a hundred thousand to fix that park up, make it really nice. And and I'd like to have just besides swing sets and what whatever like you've seen these um exercise
uh routes and that would be for adults, teenagers, kids, everybody. Well, I looked through some of those brochures and there's a lot of equipment that are from like 2 to 12 and after 12 they're probably not going to go there.
So, they actually call it five and under is one type of equipment and then the 5 to 12 is the other. And then the the only thing with this park is it's a lot, right? So, you're going to be somewhat limited of how much you can put in there because this is
just a I don't know if it's a 100 by 200 foot lot. It's a It's a nice park and I mean it's got shade trees on both of the corners, a bench on one side, picnic table on the other, and three pieces of equipment. If I could make a comment. Um,
Councilwoman Eberhart, you touched on something that will actually come before council uh next month. Jennifer will be presenting from the chamber and the chamber is willing to purchase install the pads and the equipment.
So they will be here to present for that for the outdoor workout equipment. Yes, ma'am. So that is forthcoming. They would like to entertain that with council. So that will be coming forward. Did they where where will that be or TBD? No. No. Um it's And now
I think it's a deain park. Sure. on the circuit there. Yeah, the circle. So, we have those parts. Now, I do have another I just I wanted to be able to if you see here where we have the dirt, we we will need to be able to put a
barrier. Alan said that we're going to have to do that. What's happening is we keep putting sand. Let me pop over here and I'll show you. So if you see here, he said that we would need to do mulching. It would be the recommendation because as you can
see in this park and this is a park that is over in Bowling Green and we also are able to get their plan. So the piggyback option is there. You can see the area here that they were able to do this park, but he said that it would be his recommendation to put the barrier and
use mulch opposed to sand. It's more durable. And I don't know if you want to add anything on that, Harry, but some of the comments that Allan asked us to review. And I will go through some of these so that you can see this first park here is one that is being done in
Pulk County. And I spoke with Pulk County when we were there. Um, it's Common Ground. It's Pulk County's first inclusive play experience and it is in process right now. And again, it's it's not a very big area, but you can see what we have that
we could potentially do. And these are just some conceptuals so that you have visuals to be able to look at. Now, of course, they have turf here, and we did talk about turf while we were at Florida League of Cities. And right now, we cannot afford turf. It is something that we aspire to have
and we hope to have in the future, but right now, I don't foresee it in our our budget. Um, what is really nice about this park is if I can hone you in a little bit and look around. I know it's hard to see, but they have colored picnic tables that go around the park.
And they also have the benches if you see them off to the right. And I'll go down so you can see a little bit more of the colored benches. And they place it all the way around. Now, this is another um when I saw this space, I immediately thought Ken
Leblanc. It is in Lake Wells, but I wanted to show it just so that we can see how our design standards are very important and how we want our aesthetics to look in our downtown area. But I loved this and had to take a
picture just so I could show it to you. Mhm. And the the wood look is actually composite and they build it in with the brick to give it the the the look that they have.
And then we'll get to the benches a little bit later, but if you would like for me to pull up any specific park, I'll be happy to do that. Can you Can you pull up Taylor Park just so people can see that equipment? Yes, ma'am. There we are. Ah,
it's stuck. I apologize. So, this is the sand that he's saying even over there, he'd rather replace it with border and mulch. Yes, ma'am. Harry, how much was that equipment at Taylor Park? How much was that equipment at Taylor Park?
Thank you. Now, um Allan did say to keep in mind that this is the first time that we have used this vendor. He said that um it would be his recommendation that we continue to monitor and see if what the
quality is going to be like. It's a very new vendor, so of course they came in at a, you know, it's lower price and things of that nature. He just asked us to make that comment on his behalf that he wanted us to take that into consideration. Yeah, I think
it didn't include the installation. So, you know, I like the b the border in the mulch. Is is that something that we would do now to encapsulate some of the existing playgrounds, you know, while we're trying to work towards getting new playgrounds to replace in the future? We
can um if we make the decisions here though, that was part of what Allan said and he had a great point is that we pay a lot of money for the sand. So it would be we we're we need to be good stewards of the money. Maybe make some decisions on that. We will say that it needs to be mulch from now on. It needs to have
the perimeter so that it holds it becomes the standard. Yes. For all the parks. Yes. With the standard. I like the idea of it. I think there's some recycling u material available as well that might be even cheaper than mulch. I wonder if um you know if if we can if
we have money in the budget now for border and mulch or we can put it into next year's budget so that they could start accomplishing some of that stuff now. And anytime we're going to put new playground equipment, I realize it's complicated. You know, you have to have a drawing. It's got to be an approved
drawing and all the kinds of things. You know, it's it's harder longer to do that stuff. So, if there's some stuff we could do with some of the money we have now to accomp, you know, to upgrade things without waiting to upgrade till we can get the bigger Mac Daddy stuff, I think we probably should, right?
Well, we have a whole year, so I don't know how quick that sand goes away, but if we could I don't know if we should go ahead and budget and then it's there if he needs if we need it instead of putting more sand in. The problem with the sand is the grass
keeps growing in and the sand gets hard and then he has to go out there and till it up. So how long I'm sorry how long is how long you think it'd be before we could replace it. We don't want to replace it and when it's still there but as we need to
instead of putting more sand how long he just put that sand in a couple months ago and has already had to do it. But what I'm saying is how long you think it'll be before you'd have to put more sand in. I personally don't know. I use mulch and border at the ball fields at Lake June
Park and it's every other year that I come have them come out and put mulch in. Part of it too, um, Councilwoman Worley is the rain. He says it'll puddle wash out into the, you know, the grass, things of that nature. Yeah. I'm just saying if we should go ahead and fund for it and then if we
need to do it instead of putting sand back again, go ahead. we'll have the money and start doing it um so we can get it done. I would say I would say less appropriate ants quicker also. So, somebody threw out 100,000 and I
mean would we go after that with trying to do 50 for FURDAP, 50 for that and then I guess the question would be if the FURD app isn't approved then we may only be able to do half if we can't find extra money
and that would be for spruce. Okay, I don't have a problem with that. What would then what would you do? And your other one is bsentennial. Yes, ma'am. We would like to do bsentennial and spruce. And we thought we did this playground last year. We have Lake June Park in in the works.
Then this would be two play I mean two playgrounds that we would do this year. That would be a nice we should be able to do some nice things. And I and I like the idea of maybe doing a little expanded for the Dale Hall. I mean, a pocket part pock pocket park is
nice because that's for the the kids just to to get over there, but the Dale Hall is kind of like a showcase to what Ken was saying. It's right there on Dale Hall. You see it? You know, it it's walkable um for downtown. Um so, do you have a dollar amount
you're thinking on that one of any of the pre and then and then the request deferred app? Is that going to have to be specific equipment that we would be suggesting or is there a way that we can go out and then allow the master plan
workshop and the feedback from people on what they want? So, um we would have to we need to do this now because I'll have to schedule with civic groups. I'll have to go and present to the public. We have to have some public input, things of that nature. Um we just did a conceptual when I've done these before. That's
what's going out to the public. And I think that's part we need to put on here that these are conceptual because people even with the pickle ball with Lake June Park. They believe that that is a set design and it's not. It was a conceptual design. So when you submit it to ARPAC or FDRAP, you're providing it to them as
a concept until you get the actual renderings. So they would accept that and I have the program to be able to build that in. It's no problem. Okay. So what you need is a motion to um Okay. So, do we appropriate like $100,000 to each of these parks or what?
How do you want that? How do you do that to get it through? Fura, do we need to do we just need to say we want to spend the money on these two parks and do the conceptual? We don't have to say this much on this one and this much on this one. You don't have to. And then council will have council will have to be the ones to
make the vote to authorize us to be able to apply for the fur app for this. So, we need a motion to apply to Ferdat for these two parks for $200,000. But, but Charlotte, back to
100,000 for Spruce, but are you saying just an equal amount for Dale Hall? That's where that's where I was going. So, you don't want to say 200. You're you're I think you were indicating something more for Dell Hall. So, what number are you thinking? Well, isn't it
bicentennial with all Dell Hall? Aren't they the same? No. Right. But the other spruce park I think what I just asked is can we just say these two parks 200,000 not say how much for each park? We don't have to do that. Okay. And and I thought we had just
talked about 100 for because if it's 5760 plus 17 for labor for what just went over at Serenity and then you've got the mulch and everything you're close to 100,000 there. That would be for Spruce. And then for Dale Hall, you want to do
something I think a little more because it's and maybe that and so I I guess my head wasn't 100 and 100. I'm sorry. Um I I don't understand. I think we can just say if the maximum grant's
$200,000, we can just make a motion that to apply to Ferdat for $200,000 to be spent on two parks, spruce and bicesentennial parks. Then we later we can decide which where the money is going to go in the conceptual plan and everything.
Here's where I'm struggling with that. Doing the math, the pocket park spruce, we're saying 100,000. And then if you're saying in 200,000 in total, then you're saying only a hundred for Dale Hall.
We don't have to decide that now. We need to decide the money. Not not according. We can just say we would like to have $200,000 for these two parks. I think what Councilwoman Charles is also saying is that we have to do two separate applications for the parks. So
it would actually be 200 for one park or or 100 and 100 for the other park is what she said. Okay. I misunderstood what you said. You said I didn't thought we could just say two. It's it's because it's two we have to do two different applications. They can't be on the same one because it's two different location. And what would the money pay for? A just
a playground or a playground and and pavilions and fence and pa walkway or whatever. I mean, you you put it in. There's specifics that you have to put in. Okay. So, it could be all of those. Okay. We would put it. Yeah. Did you just say 200 plus 300,000 all
together? 300,000 all together. with the hope that 150 comes from CRA. Correct? Which means they would only give us 150 and then we put 150 in and to get to 300 total. Okay. So they'll only give half
of what the total you're looking. Yes. Okay. Ferdup has a 50% grant and our pack Yeah. gets to be would would their grant money also be capable of going towards building
renovation or any of that kind of stuff or No, we're just talking like outdoor playground area. They're very specific. I can send it to you. Okay. He says, "When I come out with my clipboard and start checking off everything that you've said in the grant
you're going to buy, and if you say 10 picnic tables and you have five, I'm only reimbursing you for five." So that's why it's very specific of what the details of the grant have to be in order for us to get reimbursed.
Charlotte, could you make a suggested motion? Yes. Suggested motion for Dowh Hall by Cen Bicentennial Park for us to apply for Ferdat funds at 200,000 and for Spruce Park a separate
application at 100,000 from Ferdat. From Ferdap. I hear Do I hear that motion? I'll make the motion. Do we have a second? I'll second. I don't think that's what we just said.
We didn't say we're going to Ferdap for 300,000. Say it again. Say the motion again for us to apply for Dow Hall bysentennial Park. So you're saying we need to make it for 150. Well, or Yeah. I mean, you can't go to
Ferdap for 200 and 100. We've got to put in money for that. Correct. So, I'm just saying the way the motion was worded. So, you're saying that you wanted to do
50,000 for spruce and 150 for by No. No. I'm saying the way the motion was worded is to apply for fur of 200 for one and 100 the other. you applied half of it for Ferdap. That's what we're talking about.
But that's not the way the motion was stated. That's all I'm saying. Okay. Do the motion. I'll make a motion. We apply the What's that? Now I'll make a motion that we apply for
a FRAT grant for Spruce Park $50,000 and bysentennial Park $150,000. Nope. or 200. Okay. $100,000 for Bsentennial Park.
Can I restate it? I think we're making a motion to approve $200,000 for Dale Hall Park with half of that as a FURDAP grant and a h 100,000 for Spruce Park with half of that as a FURDAP grant.
Second. Anything from the audience? Any further discussion for the dis? Please call the role. Council member Charles, yes. Vice Mayor Worley, yes.
Council member Hayes, yes. Council member Everheart, yes. Board member Hartzell, yes. Board member Ken Leblanc, yes. And then Charlotte, just a process question with we've just added something
to the budget. So that'll be part of the next budget review. And then you'll because this is a FURD app grant, you'll then take that to the next this I guess that's a September the September town meeting. Have you missed
your FRAP date? What's the FURD app date until that's just where it's going to be tricky. It's going to be very close. My understanding is we have until the end of September. It's like September. Okay. We So, it's going to be very tight. Okay. Okay. We're going to go ahead and move
under old business 4. We're going to go down to C, which is park benches. This item provides an update on the park bench replacement project included in the CRA capital improvement plan. By based on the site conditions, we had talked about four and six foot benches.
Allan said that if we go outside of the 4ft benches, we will have to put down new um concrete pads. So, we want to keep it with the current concrete pads is what he has requested, eliminating the need for the new foundations and reducing the overall cost.
He provided an updated phase costs as follows. If we started with Deain Park at 22 benches, John's Park with eight benches and Stewart Park with 16 benches. And he did bring back um a photo. I'll pull that up.
It is composite. It's what is called a colonial style. I thought at the last meeting we said we would not do the composite that we would have the black that we would have I'm sorry say that. I thought at the last meeting we said we
would not have the composite brown but have aluminum throughout. I think he just put this as a as an example of what the style looks like. Yeah. Okay. Because we liked the the Yeah, we like the style
the f and the fresh look that it gives it like sleek. It gives it a very sleek look, but just so the pricing reflects what we had said we wanted. So these are about $1,000 eachund. They've got to be shipped and things of
that nature. Do we So we never got an actual sample of any of these benches? No. Or do we know where these types of benches might be? Like the Sebring Circle. I know they put in new benches. I don't
They've put in some new benches. If you walk that though, what I have found is they're refurbishing their benches. Okay. They are. I mean, if you really look at them really close, they have replaced some of them. Um, they are longer because we we were trying to see if we could find some piggybacks that we could use, but they're not the same as our our
size that we would need. And this was really just for us to have for the CIP and so we can start moving things forward. Do you want to go ahead and vote on these? So, what are we looking to do with these benches now? Are you looking for
approval of of you know the bench and approval of how many to put in which places and stuff? I mean what are we looking for with this? Yes, we we have a phased approach here and if you want to do it Deain Park in one year, John's Park in the following
year and Steuart Park in the next. It's totally up to you how you want to do it. Um, after we sat and discussed it, Allan, Harry, and myself, we also spoke with the chief because we've talked about, um, in some of the parks that there may be too many benches. Um, do we
put that many back in? Do we, you know, some of those conversations we've had, we looked at that. So, um, we would start with Deain. It is the largest. You could slate to put them all in this coming budget cycle. It's it's your
decision. Do do we have money for that from last budget cycle or I mean just out of time so it doesn't matter anyways. It's just going to end up in next budget cycle. It'll it'll be in the next budget. Yeah. Okay. And it was slated too. If you look on our CIP,
we have it on there. It's on the So $15,000 was budgeted for last year. This year we Well, we had planned to put 15. We could put whatever we want, I guess, this coming year. Right. Right. And so if we move it over, remember, it'll give us that total of the 30,000.
Mhm. So at the 30,000 it would cover us to start with Deain Park. And that was our our thought process was that we could start with Deain Park this year. So that's or we could do John and Steuart Park and
that would match the 30,000 two out. Yeah. If we did it in the order though we thought we could potentially do Deain Park and John's Park and then put the other in the following year.
So if we budget more than 30 for this coming year, we could do Deain and John's Park. Correct. Yeah. And are the current benches in decent condition that we could repurpose them to maybe some of the playground parks?
Yes, ma'am. We've that's what we've talked about. There are some Allan said that there he has a handful that are starting to crack just from over time, but we still have many of them that can be multi-purpose or repurposed and used somewhere else. Absolutely. Great.
Lots of places. Yeah, I noticed there's one out at the cemetery, but it's really in sad shape, so maybe some could go out there. Yeah, that's a great idea, too. Yeah, and Serenity Park doesn't have any benches. Well, getting back to the benches and
what we have in the um CIP, we have 30,000. If we did both Deain and John's, we'd be more like um 37,000. So, do you want to change that line item over on the third page of the CIP from
30 to 37? Does John need eight? I mean, where Well, you know, we didn't use all of Steuart Park PA money, too. So, if we haven't allocated that to somewhere else, we could take Steuart Park 5,000. Unless I'm wrong, but I think there's
5,000 left from there. We could add that to the 15. Now, we're at 20. If you add another 15 next year, then we're at 35. So maybe there's some other money we could allocate from last year or sorry, this year
to help knock those out. So the suggestion was to take what's left over from the pavers, the 5,000, and move it down to the park benches, making that 35,000. Is everybody in agreement to do that and then do
and we would need to specify that 15,000 into 2526 to make it 30. That's what we said earlier. We didn't want to make a motion at that point, but that's what you said. you were going to
take that 15,000 from the benches because we haven't done anything with it and then move it into 2526 which would make that a total of 30,000 for 2526. Correct. And that's what we decided but we need more if we're going to do those two. They're 37,000. So we're going to
need at least 35 in that for the benches. So what Mr. Blanc said was move 5,000 that we have up left over from the pavers and move it down there in addition to last year's 15,000 and make
it 35,000 and maybe you knock two deain park benches off and do 20 at Deain Park, eight at John's or maybe six at Johns, I don't know. Um and we can we can meet the 35,000. So maybe we just pull a few out.
That that's kind of where I was. I mean, John's Park is a cute small park. Yeah. Eight benches. Are they really being used right down the That's what I was saying is eight in that small little park. Are they being used? I would
I mean, and Charlotte, you said that there's some of the areas we don't need that many. So, like we Stewart Park, we think I mean there's so many in there, but then when we got to talking about it, when we have the festivals and things of that nature down there, they get used, but otherwise they're they're not used.
Well, and you're going to have the exercise equipment. They're going to get used more. That's going to be John's. Oh, you said Yeah, but we're pri prioritizing right now though. Deain and John's, right? Correct. Yeah.
John said the exercise equipment would be going into vein. Didn't you say that? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Around the perimeter and then and don't forget down the road there's there are 25 on Interlake, right?
I think well actually I think there about five at the college, right? About 20ome on Inter Lake. that might want to be a the next one because of the the visibility of Inner Lake. Maybe the Inner Lake might want to be the next project, not in one of the
parks. Do we know how many are on Inner Lake? Pardon? How many park benches are on Inner Lake? Yeah. In the business district there are 20 25 including seven at the college.
the ones at the college don't get used but they're not the same style that you want to have move you know if you move that style it's not the style that we're looking at so I there's way too many benches down in at the college but now
that the the um the church did close on all the property um basically east of the red brick building so they're closed and they own it now so that's going to change that whole Yeah. who knows what's I mean, maybe they'll actually be used now.
Yeah. I think they said they're not going to be done renovating that until 2027. So, I'd be okay leaving all the park benches in front of the college where they are the way they are right now. And then, you know, we'll deal with that when that renovation work is done. Yeah. But I do agree it would be nice if
inner inner lake is much more visible than you know Steuart Park has a lot of benches but Chernicadian Festival gets used a lot right so I kind of agree you know maybe we want to keep a lot in there but for that reason but maybe we don't want to focus on that one first
maybe want to focus on John's Park Inner Lake um or Stewart there's 17 on Interlake if you don't count the college or the pond. That's that's why I broke out to differentiate the two.
Yeah. So So I think we might have the most visual impact based on what you're saying. Interlike will have the most visual impact by replacing the benches because people drive by and see it. People don't drive by the park so much. You got to walk in the park to see those benches
for the most part. So I think Interlux is the most visible. And if we add if we add, you know, we just rellandscaped, we add flower pots to Inner Lake, if we change those benches, I think that's going to have the most visual impact to the downtown district. I agree.
And so we don't have any of those listed here, but maybe we should. So maybe if we're going to maybe we start with Inner Lake in John's Park, for instance, and change those two and then come back to do Deain Park maybe a year later after. It sounds
like we might get a whole circuit in there which would be really cool and um you know and then you know I don't know I kind of agree with Is your 17 just inner lake excluding the college? Yes. So pretty much that's just that's what the list I'm
looking at says. Um it's 17 uh on each east inner lake. There's all the addresses are here. And then number 18 is the fish pond which is Lake Placid Noon Rotary Park. And then the rest of them are the college. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven at the college.
That's what this says. How many are at park? The Rotary Park had many. Sorry. How many on what? At Rotary Park. Just that one. There's only one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Our thought process was we were trying to
look at where the most foot traffic is and we know that Deain is always busy. Always always busy. Um that doesn't mean that Inner Lake isn't busy. We just don't see a lot of foot traffic there. They're they are very appealing, but we're trying to see where they're going
to get the most use. Um and that was kind of our thought process. We want to spruce up Inner Lake, but it was where there's a lot so much traffic, where we're seeing a lot of people that are using the parks and where they're actually going. They're not walking down Inner Lake and sitting on a bench most
of the time, but that doesn't mean we don't need them there because we are going to replace. Then the other concept we had was we wanted to be able to we've got to have staff who can help oversee the projects and things that are going on. So, poor Harry is wearing like
14 hats, but it would allow us though to have activity throughout the town where we're we're spacing it out. So, it really is up to your purview. I just was giving a little bit of background on what our process was when we were thinking about it. I think Interlate is a is a great
idea, but just to give some I mean, if we want to do Deain and Interlake, it's totally up to you. My my thought was the interl should be done before maybe John's park just because the impression
people get when they come through town same as you were saying Kim do we have a cost for inner lake well if they're if we do the 18 is roughly the same as Steuart Park add two another 2,000 or so
Charlotte how um What and I guess where the parks are current the 17 on Inner Lake that are currently located are are those strategically where they should be or should some be moved? Should it be more? Should it be less? And maybe maybe
C board member Hartzell could kind of like weigh in on that one. that I was going to say um Inner Lake sees most of the foot traffic during the winter months when the northerners are here because they're walking up and down and looking at the murals and and I do notice that more whenever I'm driving in
Lake that uh um especially John's Park, I do know I've seen people sitting there more than you than Stewart Park because I I turn before I get to Stewart. But uh generally, you know, and that's that's when they're here, um looking at the murals and and and
yeah, touring the touring the area. But yeah, we do see a lot more foot traffic and and even the businesses see more foot traffic when when people are walking looking at the murals. So, are the benches on Inner Lake itself
in front of the different businesses utilized that much? I I mean I I would leave this up to staff on being up and around the town to say where, you know, do we have enough? Do we not need that
many? Um but I I I agree with what's being said. It would be nice to have, you know, we got the flowers in, get the nice benches in. My thoughts would be to keep them in the parks with the shade trees and stuff because they're they're not you it's
such a short spans. Um, and they're going to walk, you know, they can walk a block or two and then step into John's Park with the shade and and sit down and relax. And the same with Steuart Park. So, because, you know, there's a lot of murals in that short area. So, um I
wouldn't stretch him up and down, you know, out in on on the sidewalks or in the sun as opposed to because you just walk across the street and you can be in John's Park Restos Park in five minutes from from the college from the bank to
the college. You can be in those parks in just minutes. So I think to move everything along I think in what we're trying to do is the line items part bench is new and replaced and we just need to plug in an amount and then come back and visit this when when
during the year when we're ready to do a project and then address it then instead of we're not going to decide where they're going to go tonight. So is every so does everybody want to leave park benches new and replaced? We were doing 15,000 and moving it over for to make it
a total of 30. Now to do, do you want to leave it at 30 or you want to add 5,000 from the pavers up there? Do you want it to be stayed at 30,000 or do you want it more? Because this is this is the important part tonight. How much money are we going to put in the CIP for parks
and benches? Can can I ask you this one thing before we talk about maybe moving the extra 5,000 over? Um, nothing got landscaped on Inner Lake west of Main Street. That
wasn't part of the project. I thought uh Keep Lake Plaza Beautiful had said they were going to landscape that, but they didn't. Um, no. No. Inner Lake West of Main Street did not get rellandscaped. Right. That remember I brought that up and I said, "Boy, that four corners
there. Now we've got two corners, but what about the other?" and and so right in front of uh Edward Jones right there where the the painting of the robin the bank right that corner and then on the other side so we went up to Maine you know east of it and the comment at that time was we don't know if we have enough
irrigation strength let's let's get it in everything in let's test the irrigation I don't remember like placid beautiful so that they do that I think that we were going to come back then and well because I agree it's like you've got two corners are done yeah Right.
You got and the Yeah. So, let's keep the 5,000 here, but we need somebody needs to be addressing that. You know, we know now what our irrigation is. Everything else is done. Everything looks beautiful. By the way, uh it all came out awesome. So, um so
somehow somebody's got to be looking into that landscaping on the other side. It's a good point. Nelly, you're keep a part Are you part of Keep Lake Plaza beautiful? You are, right? Um no, I'm part of the chamber. The chamber. They said one of them sits on the chamber board, but no charter.
Yeah, I don't know how we we get somebody to start looking into that, but I can I can ask Bill. It's Bill Brantley. That'd be great. I can ask that. But Deborah, I thought we were on 4C and 4C is listing the order of these bench replacements. That's where I thought we
were into that discussion is do we do Deain Park with 22? Do we do John's or do we do Stewart? That's that's the agenda item I thought we were discussing here. 4C. So, what's your pleasure? Park benches new and replaced. You want to spend
leave 30,000 or do you want to put more into that line item? I would say take the 5,000 from the pavers, add it to the 30, make 35. Okay. And then my thought about Inter Lake, the more I'm thinking about it,
when you said that they weren't really used, that they didn't go to John's Park. What if we just take out the benches on Inter Lake? That wouldn't make Inter Lake look better. But I do think people that walk to look at murals probably, you know, use those
benches sometimes going up and down the street. So, I don't think we should move all all benches on Inner Lake. I definitely think some of those benches get used, right? And especially when the women go into the boutique shop and the men sit outside waiting for them, they get used.
I mean, that's spot on. Yes, I would agree that we had that conversation that maybe we don't use all of them. We don't replace all of them. Let's pick some. I mean, leave it to Allan and Harry. I think they're skilled enough that they will be able to look at it. They'll go talk to Mr. Hartzel.
They'll make those decisions. And then there was um a suggestion of instead of the three grouping of the flower pots, maybe we just do one big one and kind of give it that aesthetic in the landscaping down inner lake. Yeah. No, I I I'm not thinking on inner
lake we're putting three pots, three pots, three pots in landscape areas. I'm thinking there's one pot here, one pot there. We already have agree with that. The um the uh I'll see the concrete pad. Sorry, the concrete pad's already there. So then it would just be put the flower pot. It's already
in some cases, but you were thinking about putting it in the where there's mulch right now, putting it in in the landscape area, you know, where there's already irrigation. It's easy to put it in. Just make sure it doesn't block sight triangles. But I think there's I I wouldn't mind
walking with somebody or somebody walk with, you know, Harry or somebody down that street say, "Okay, this is a good place for it. That's a good place for it." you know, um, chief could be with us and he could say, "Okay, that's not a sight triangle problem or something." But I think we can go down that street and we could probably count six or eight
easy, you know, maybe eight of them that go in single pots, in areas, landscapings already there's irrigation's already there. Okay. And that's on a different page. So we have right now we're back to park benches, new and replaced. How much money do you want to put in there? You want to leave the 30,000? Do you want to
add more money to it? We can go back over to downtown flower pots and add some money in over there. When it comes to downtown B, if it were me, I would probably do Inner Lake and maybe John's I mean, because Inner Lake's $20,000, we have 30. John's Park's 10. I would probably do Inner
Lake and John's Park this year. And then next year, you know, do um budget out um Steuart Park, Deain Park, you know, something like that. Um, let's get our our system in place around Deain Park, that running jogging system, which
sounds like a great idea, you know, and then maybe because we might want benches in new places in Steuart Park. No, uh, Deain Park once that system goes in, right? Okay. So, we just need to figure that to plug in here because we can decide where they go later, but right now we need to plug in a figure. So, right now we're at
30,000. 30,000. Do you want to up that? But we were going to move, weren't we moving the 5,000? We talked about moving the leftover from the pavers up there 5,000 down, but we're going to be doing this. We could add money from the monies that are coming in. We can say,
"Yeah, just we we don't have to just take it from here and move it around. We're not This isn't That's during budget. We're creating a new new plan here. So, if you want to make that more money and not take it from anywhere, we can do that. We can just say whatever amount you want
to put in there." So, you want to put 30, you want to put 40. This is what I think. I don't think there's enough money in flower pots to probably at $6,000 to do the flower pots. So, why don't we take the 5,000 from the pavers, put it up to the flower
pots, which makes flower pots $11,600. Well, what I'm saying is that before we had to move money around because we had limited budget. It was a budget amendment. Now, we have new money coming in. What was it? 112,000. What? How much more money? So we have
that money we can spend on this without moving anything anywhere. So just how much money you want to put into the new benches. So So there's 17 on Under Lake today. There's eight in John's Park. That's 25, right? Am I doing that right? And
they're a,000 a piece. So 30,000, right? Am I doing it wrong? I think Nell said they were,200 each, 1200 a piece, but Oh, okay. But I where I was going is the 30,000 sounds like it's adequate for those two areas to
give them budget on that and then she'll go and and just make sure you check in with business owners. I would hate that somebody has a bench and we decide it needs to go four doors down, right? So we need to make and then all of a sudden we pull some out but it's in a new location. Put a nice new bench in front of
somebody else's and pull theirs. Yeah. So, so do you think the 30,000 would be sufficient today? There's 17 on Inner Lake and eight in John's Park, 25. And you're thinking you could par down a few. I was going to make a
recommendation that if we just put 40 there, it gives us more than probably we need, but will allow us to be able to have a little wiggle room if necessary. Okay. So, we're going to change park benches new and replacement to $40,000. Are we allocating next year's money yet
or not yet? That's what we're doing. We're spending next more. That's why we don't have to move things around. 300,000 more to spend. So, we're just pulling stuff from last year, but we're not even really looking into spending this year is what we should be. That's what we should be doing right now. That's what I'm saying. So, back
over here, going back over. Okay. Okay. So, we're going to Is everybody okay with 40 for the benches? I'm okay with 40 for the benches. Everybody okay? Yeah. All right. Let's go back over to page six, which is downtown flower pots because we were talking about that. Um,
so how we've only we've got 5,000. It's hard to follow this. Anyway, 5,000 appropriated for downtown flower pots. So, do we want to put more money in there? Do we want to up that to 10 or 15 to do some other flower pots?
Where are you at? It's on page six of 26 down at the bottom. And what's the what are you looking at? Down downtown flower pot. It's in yellow because we did some I got you. Okay. But that this starts off at 92 and
this is chipping away. It's getting lower. Now flip to the page seven. Yeah, we have 6,600 remaining in. We have 6,600 remaining. So we want to take the 6,600 up to what? I mean, I think if we bring it up to like 15,000 total, that's probably enough to do
whatever pots we would do at this point going forward, right? Um, on Inner Lake, I think, if you if you think 15, we can put in here whatever you want to. We have to spend Actually, what does Charlotte think? Because I don't actually I wasn't part of buying all the stuff and doing it.
How much Charlotte, do you think we need to do flower pots on Inner Lake based on what we spent last year on what we did? No, we're on page seven right above. Yeah. And this is I'm thinking we're not cutting concrete sidewalks to tie. No, we're not. I mean, I think if you do
the 15,000, I think it's it's plenty reasonable. How much did you say? I think at the 15,000 you said I think we're good. Six six large, six medium, and six small with assorted plants plotting and delivery fees was 17,26525.
Yeah. Mhm. So, we'll we'll I mean, if you guys agree, we'll put 15,000 into pots for this future. And it's just a line item because later we you can decide wherever you want to put them. Yeah. And then question about the
landscaping on Inner Lake and Maine that we still have to do. Is there a line item here where we could put money to fund doing that? Um, and I mean, I know we got to check on the irrigation. Well, actually, do you know do we have irrigation to do that?
The you're talking about further on down by Yeah, down west. It all works. It all works great. So, um so how much money should we be budgeting to do pretty much what we did down Inner Lake? What can we budget to do that? And I think we we paid $40,000, you know, to
TWWQ if I remember correctly. So maybe we probably don't even need 10,000 if that's the case. So maybe if we budget 10,000 that'll give adequate money to to figure that out and maybe you can even put some pots down there too. And you but you wanted me to check with
Keep Lake Placid Beautiful for that area too, right? Um Sure. I mean Yeah, you do. I'm not sure. Maybe I misunderstood that they were going to handle that. But maybe they were going to handle it with Siri. I'll see him on Wednesday if he comes to the meeting. We've got a board meeting Wednesday. Okay. Yeah. I don't think they were planning
on Yeah, because they originally were going to do the whole thing and we're like, "No, no, no. We're going to do it." And then that's when I brought up, wait a minute. Yeah. The west the west of Maine. Yeah. Both sides of the street. You're stopped at the, you know, to make a right and
you see these Yeah. What I think might be more valuable is Keep Like Plastic Beautiful uses its money to budget maintaining this landscape because CRA can't do that. So maybe if we allocate some money to finish that landscaping and let them allocate their resources to maintain,
then it's the best for everybody. Have they agreed to that? Um I don't I didn't know they're going to I don't think they really agreed to anything. Yeah, I don't I don't think they've agreed to keep in the maintenance. That's something we're going to have to hammer down, honestly. But I'm I'm fine because those two corners
somebody's got to maintain it. It's not the CRA, right? Yeah. So, however you guys want to handle it. So, okay. Okay. So, we t we talked about has there been agreement to add $10,000 a line item $10,000 for landscaping along in Lake?
Yeah. West of Maine. West West Enter Lake. I think we just say Interlake. I mean, you want to inter Okay. Well, then something else I thought of and um Mr. Leblanc has been How much is the
maintenance that you're absorbing now that we're going to have to plan for? I'm paying. Maybe we can't pay for that. We can't pay for that. No, you can't do it anyway. The town The town has to do it. Cost me, you know, it's about $1,200. Okay, forget from Inner Lake North.
I regressed. Okay, so where are we at with all this did? Okay. So, remind I want to remind you too that we we and I'm never sure I'm never sure and and probably Miss Everheart could enlighten us, but there's a a rule that
you're supposed to use the money you collect within five years. So, we need to I mean, it's not like we have to be frivolous, but we do need to keep our eye on that and make sure that we're spending the money. We need to spend the money we collect within five years.
Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, we we we have money. We Yeah. And and I I think we're about to hit paving now. Okay. So, that's going to eat up. Yeah. One last thing before we talk about paving is um you know, Charlotte, when we did the circles
um south of Inner Lake on Maine, we did bigger circles because the pots we bought were bigger than we originally thought we were going to buy. So on the north side of Inner Lake on Maine, do we want to add a a big, you know, make those circles like a pave or bigger so that they match what we did on
Southside? Do we have a budget for that? Can we budget money in here to increase the size of those circles? Is $5,000 that was left over in pavers enough, for instance? Why do we need to increase them? Because we chose to do we chose to do
pavers, I think, five foot wide. um not really not having chosen the pots first. And when we chose the pots, they fill up almost the entire PA like within inches. When we did them on Southside, because we now had the pavers, we knew how big the pots were. We decided to make them a
foot bigger. So, it wasn't crowding it so the lawn mower wouldn't accidentally hit a pod, for instance. So, now that we've made the one south bigger, do we want to go to the north one, six, six circles, and just make them bigger to match the south ones? You see, we had I don't know that people look at the
size of the circle, you know, north to south. I mean, I hear what you're saying, but but I mean, nobody's going to be But or do you take I just hate to keep stretching it out cuz that's more money. Those weren't cheap to do that. Or do you just take the big pot and move it over to
Inner Lake and rather than buy all new pots on Inner Lake because we're going to only do one? We had we had talked about this before when we were doing the south main and we said to make the circles bigger. Miss Harheart had a great idea to put the
border. I love that. So we said we would look at that bigger space and if it looked good that we would do the same thing on North Main and I think it looks a lot better. I mean I think it's worth spending the money. It just looks so much nicer to me. Just I agree. I think it looks nicer and
again I'm worried the lawnmower might accidentally hit a pot on the other ones because they're so close to the edge of the pavers and then crack a pot, you know, and uh so I think it's worth it to probably add the circles to those six to make them match the one on south end so they all match. They all they do look
better and then less likely to break a pot with the lawn mower. Right. How how did they end up smaller? Because we didn't buy the pots. We we chose the size of the circles before we actually bought the pots and the pots were bigger than what we anticipated the
pots being. So when you put three pots together on a 5-ft circle, it goes almost to the edge of the circle. And so they knew that now. So when they did South Main, they decided, let's just make the circle bigger so that there's more room around the Gotcha. So South Main is a bigger
circle. Bigger circle, which looks nicer. So we're talking about just adding it to the other ones, which isn't going to be terribly expensive. Has he already priced that out? TWWQ, how much how much money you think that we're going to need? I guess I'm thinking less than 5,000. So, just
leave the 5,000 maybe there, which we didn't move. Okay. So, leave the $5,000. Take care of that. Let's move that $5,5 over over into the next and then Charlie can go ahead and just get that done. Yeah.
Is everybody in agreement for that? Yes, that's fine. Okay. All right. Um, any other changes, additions? You'd like to add something or I wonder how Okay. You said we're going to go to paving. That's going to use a lot of that extra 300. Well, road paving, not
Yeah, I know. I get it. Yeah. Can Can we just reword one of these where it says Hillrest? So, I like allocating money for Hillrest, but let's just call it Hillrest Park. I don't know that through the master plan that'll end up being a
dog park and this is some pretty sizable money. Um so I'm just wondering is Hillrest it's like park you know rather than dog park planning it's you know we've got that three acres
we need to do something with it or we need to sell it right so I think the master plan will come up with some ideas that we'll be able to to use. So, how do we allocate some money now? And I think there's four things there, right? Fencing, irrigation, landscaping,
and can we just rather than make a decision it's going to be a dog park, change that word dog park to something else? Future planning or TBD master plan. That That's what I thought too. I didn't want to put down
because somebody reads it and they think it's a foregone deal that it's going to be a dog park. So, I'd like to somehow take out dog park. I mean, not that we're not going to do it, but just don't say it. I would just say dog park planning, right? Yeah. Unknown, whatever. Why don't we just do Hillrest Park
improvement and then do a figure? And would you lump them all together then, Deborah? Because there's four items there. We've got the the fencing, the irrigation, the landscaping, and the dog park line. Is is that the thinking though that that would be a dog park?
No, I don't know where that came from. Oh, I got you. I think it came from your door to doors. Yeah. Yeah. A dog park, but not in this location. That's what I'm saying. Oh, I see. You're saying the door to door people wanted splash pad playground. Um cuz another place that was thought of
offer a dog park was next to the old town hall. Yeah, that triangle there. So, so I don't we're not going to I mean I would leave it to the master plan experts to then solicit people get the feedback and they go back and figure out which of the 12 parks that would be.
Yeah. I don't think this would be a bad place for a dog park, but it's also a dog park can be a good placeholder, you know, to use a piece of land for a while until you can afford to do a splash pad or something different too. But I don't really want Yeah. I just don't want We're making a decision where it would be versus let
the experts have feedback. I'm just saying just Hillrest Park planning and just get rid of the and leave it all. Councilwoman Charles, we would just say park planning, but I heard you say that instead of having it with the four,
we're just going to say park planning and we'll include it to say park, fence, irrigation, landscaping, just like clump it all together on one line. Is that what I'm asking? Is that what you you'd rather do? But but it probably needs more than $10,000, right? Oh, yeah. It would definitely
well the current the current planning of the dollars puts that into 26 27 but that doesn't mean we can't use our new money to go in there. Yeah, we could move the 50. We can move all those from the year after back over bring them in to next year if you want
to bring them back since we have the money. We can just use just so it makes it 100 the 50 the 20 and the 20 back over to next year 100. Yeah. Now I had that that's a great idea. Do you want to put some money in there for that little piece of land? That the only
thing that with that piece of land by the old town hall is that they use that for parking when we have festivals. So I don't And Oh, I that little triangle there. Yeah. I mean Yeah.
I mean that's kind of what we're using it for right now. Overflow parking. We did talk about it um Harry Allen and I and also with the chief. It would not take very much for us to do something in a dog park, no matter where it goes right now, it's very easy that even if
we decided later and said, "Hey, we don't really want this for a permanent dog park." Those things are easy just to up and move. They're really I mean, it's a bench with a tree, a little fenced in area. We get the thing for them to dispose of it, a trash can, things of
that nature. And it's easy. And then you that is something that you could actually add as an amenity or an offering that we could do right now if we and then you put up your CRA development sign. Yes. Right. Right. Sponsored by CRA. But yes, that is one that is a very
lowhanging fruit. I've always thought because there's trees on both sides. You put one of these recycled benches over there and if there's any type of water, you have a drinking fountain with a dog bowl. And are you talking Hillrest still or something?
No, no, no, no. Joy bought up over next to First Insurance. I call it that triangle that goes down Green Dragon Drive when we saw. It's not very big for a dog park though. Oh, it actually is. It's got a good run, but a lot but a lot of that isn't that part of that drainage. It's like a
retention pond. There is a retention pond there, but I don't you just wouldn't the dogs for a small dog. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're not going to solve that here, but I I do like is there some other of the parks that we know maybe we just put some money in there
and and do we put the money into Hillrest with you know 6 619 Hillrest or do we put into a general category that gives us flexibility to use money here over at the triangle maybe or over here you know does it have to be that specific
could yeah just put a a new a new line items what you're saying an unidentified park for park development park various park unidentified location improvements. Yeah.
Flexibility. Yeah. Take those four and combine all the money and put in there. Hillrest improvements. Charlotte is that I mean if that's something you could do on the CIP. But do we say Hillrest or do we just say park general park?
Hillrest park improvements. Unknown. unknown. I wouldn't I wouldn't wouldn't want to specify a location for a dog park until we get input. But if we put a line item there and money for a dog park in
unknown location. Okay. How much money should we put in there? So, let's make a new line item. Dog park. I honestly think that you could put a $10,000 placeholder there and it's going to be way less. You'll see. I mean, If
we even if we get to that I mean counc looked at this before I think that would be parking. So for instance say we at Hillrest we wanted to do a bog dog park we don't actually have parking there. So you would you have to create a parking lot over at the triangle we're talking about you don't actually have
parking there. So how do you you know associated with that? So can we do a dog park in a place that doesn't already have parking? And if we do then do we have to put parking I mean pave parking you know and that that creates I don't I don't think what I'm seeing is more and more they're not paving because
the retention and all the cost. If you go to Max Long Park which is a very extensively used sports park they park on the grass and it's it's prettier. You don't have to put in retention. It's coste effective. You have to put in the bumpers. You just have to put in the
bumpers to show them how to park. But that's it. We just have grass. So like if we were to do Hillcrest as a dog park for instance, we'd do probably a concrete apron up to the sidewalk and on the other side of the sidewalk, you know, maybe I don't know if you have just one paved strip and then you park on grass or something.
I think we're jumping ahead on where the dog park's going to go. Well, is it has to do with how much money we need to put for dog park, you have to deal with parking or we wait till the following year if the master plan says Hillrest is the one because then it has paving. If you do what Council Member Eberhard said, even
if it's a start, I call it that triangle, right? Then you have parking at the basketball courts, you've got parking there all over. So, yeah. And maybe actually here you could do on street parking down the whole thing and just do you know parking right off the street and then you have you know that might
or public. So 10 thou so do new line item dog park 10,000. Okay. Anybody else want to add any other line items? New I wanted to ask this was thrown my way the other day and I'll ask for your
feedback. Somebody had questioned why there's never a bathroom in Deain Park. and all of the walkers all the time. I mean, they said that park is used a lot with walkers. And sure, when the library is open, you have a park that you have the restroom there. You've got the
basketball courts. Now, whether you put it in Deain Park or you put it next to the library by the basketball court, but I just didn't know has that ever come up. Something somebody said to me is, "Have you ever thought of and they felt it was a good idea to put a bathroom in
Deain Park or for Deain Park use?" Before it was talked about, but the aesthetics, they didn't want to see the bathroom. Then we talked to the Clown College about maybe putting it over on their property so they would have a bath outside bathroom. They used to have
events, so they're not doing that anymore. We used to have things over there, but so we talked about maybe putting the bathroom there and having it serve both places, but then you have to get into um who owns the property and blah blah blah blah blah. So, but
anyway, the the the conversation before is it looks so pretty. You put a building out there and it and it just destroy that's that was the conversation of a zillion years ago. That's I don't know. Yeah. The person said, "Then you put it over by the basketball court next to the
library." That that was, you know, to that same thing. Rather put a building right in the middle of Deain Park, you put a bathroom right next to the I'm just bringing it up. I mean, this is what people I'm I'm now you walk I mean you walk the
you walk the park and others walk and and and they were saying you don't realize how much that park is used all day long from before the sun rises to sunset before um we donated the land we give
away so much we donated the land for the library for the expansion and part of that was and I don't know if we gave gave them that parking. We said, "Yes, we'll let you have that. We'll be joint parking for the park." I don't know if they're in ownership of that area, but
that actually was a an agreement with the county and the parking was supposed to be joint for the basketball courts. We said, "Don't touch the basketball courts. We're giving you land. They pave that parking. So, I we'd have to look into if we take away parking spaces over
there." No. So, there's separate parking for the library and there's separate a big parking lot for the basketball courts. That's I'm saying that that's what we own. But we made an agreement with the county
when they expanded the library. That was the parking for the library. I don't know. We'd have to go. Well, I'm I'm just saying I know that's town property, the basketball courts and that parking. So, I just wanted to bring it up. somebody had brought it up. It could
come up at the budget meeting for others. I don't know Charlotte, you know, to you and your staff if that's ever come up. So, we don't solve it tonight, but again, just add a line item unidentified location to investigate facilities
in the vicinity of Deain Park. Councilwoman Charles, I don't I know you said you had looked over in Bowling Green when they had the the parks over there. I don't know if you remember there was like a small building standing freestanding by itself. That's exactly what it was. That's what we did. It was
a It's one restroom for male female on the end. It's very small. So, it's it is something that we can do. We just need to identify. I agree with Councilwoman Ibrahart. Put a line item on here with a dollar amount and and put it on our CIP so at least it's there and we adopt it
this year and then we can figure out where and things of that nature after we get the master plan and say, "Let's add a restroom." somewhere. Where would that be? We can repeat the one we did in Steuart Park. Exactly. Right over there. And I think Billy Brantley did it for like 55 grand or something back. That's about
right. Okay. With that though, that we already had um sewer there and they didn't have to go do permitting. If you do in the same footprint that we took down a building, we put one back. SMUD didn't have all those requirements. We didn't have to permit. We didn't have to
do retention. You know, we had sewer right there, but city sewer is actually it was just the building. So, you'd have to do the building and then you'd have to do the preparation as well and put in a septic or hook it to that'd be something else to look at. Do we over at
Serenity? you should be able to bore a low pressure line to the city's line coming down Dragon Avenue um to if you go in that area down by the triangle area, you know, if you keep it down there, I think they could tie into
city sewer, but you're probably talking $100,000 between building this and having to or get your sewer tied at the city sewer and put a lift station and that would be that that would be a better place for I know when they have festivals and everything and they bring
in the the portaotties there at that end over over by the green dragon end. So yeah, if we built over on that end, it would be least obtrusive. It wouldn't be near the the ballpark, but the basketball, but that way it would be least obtrusive to, you know,
to the park. Yeah, they have lines sewer lines to the schools. So the sewer line runs down probably and it would be great for the park for the festivals that we have in the park as well. A real bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's let's put it on and as we
come over or under budget, then we'll be able to make a priority list, right? A decision, right? Because we can always shift things during the year from category to category. Well, once we put everything together and we have the budget workshop, by then we'll have the money and
Charlotte comes back and say, "Nope, you're this much over or we've got this much more to spend." Okay. I I know the other thing and I don't know how you earmark it and again everything's a master plan, right? But a lot of interest in some type of a splash pad. Now it can be everything from just
little fountains, right? So I mean I should have put that on here. I think another interest that the public has is some type of a splash pad somewhere. Now that could be Dell Hall, right? That could be, you know, part of that um building. I I don't know where
but I know the public will not like me when I say this but a splash pad we are not ready for and what I mean by that is it's great it is a what a splash pad is is once we've done everything it is a
nice finishing touch because the the requirements for staff to maintain that and the and things of that nature that will go into a splash pad and it is a nightmare in Florida because you will have snakes, rattlesnakes and things of
that nature, which now means Harry and them will need to go out to observe it and make sure I've been a parks and rec director before and have experienced this. So, I'm speaking from experience. They like the water. They around the little pe the little they're very tiny
and believe me, they're very expensive. They will curl up underneath there and so there there are concerns, safety concerns that we have to be aware of, especially because we're in Florida. They also break a lot. They break a lot. And then there are also um testing requirements because you have to also be
careful with the water. So there's a lot that is involved in that. And I'm just saying right now, we could put it on a on a CIP, but if we do that within a year or two years, we're not going to be staff equipped or capable of doing that. And if we prioritize, we have roads and
things of that nature that we really need to look at before. And a splash pad you're not going to get for less than 200,000. You know, there there's splash parks and there's splash pads. And I'm about to probably do get involved in one in Sebring. And so I'm going to do a lot of research, you know, in the near future
on splash. And the one that I might do is just probably going to be just water shooting, you know. Exactly. And and if I have it my way, it'll just be you push a button and for 10 minutes fresh water comes out, goes into a drain that goes into the ground and actually doesn't get
recycled. So it's actually fresh water each time if I can get away with it. Ken, that's how mine was. I'll be happy to sit with you and show you. I'm telling you, there is a lot of work involved and I have to be the voice for the staff. Yeah. Because you have to be we have to be You did one. I will be happy to show you.
Yeah, I'd love to see it. That would be helpful. It's called Bone Valley and it's over at Hardy Lakes in Hardy County. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. And then that the thing when we wanted in fact I was surprised, right? Royce wanted to do this a long time ago, but the recycling of the water and all of that is very complex and it does
break a lot. So maybe why don't we wait that's a great idea about the bathrooms, but maybe we should just wait one more year for a water project if that's okay. And then we really need to talk about paving because um we've taken money out
of the town's budget for roads. We've taken me tax dollars to put in the CRA that that would have gone to the general fund to pay for roads. So we do need to look at roads within this. So let's if you you all are done with that. Um,
so on this one 4D, are these all asphaltting roads in the town? I'm going to show you pictures of them. Yeah. And just to note, Allan was very frustrated because this tied his hands with being able to do anything because as Councilwoman Worley stated that when
we pull it out of the general fund and now it's on our CRA CIP, that means if we don't leave it here, he can't do anything for three years because it has to be off of our CRA budget for three years.
So we our our actual CRA plan as Pam Fentress stated earlier addresses this and it was built for that. So um he's not been able to do anything with streets for a year and these are the streets that um he
identified that we should look at first. Now obviously some that we have storm water issues and things of that nature is going to be a lot more complex and we're working with the county to be able to address those. But in order of priority, he said now North Magnolia and I have photos of those so that you can
see what it looks like. Thank you again, Harry, for taking the photos. Says about 200 and some thousand and this was in last year and we've pulled it out. Yes, ma'am. We took it off because um it
there was a under believed understanding or perception that it should come off of our regular budget. Um, and as Councilwoman Worley stated, it was already on our CRA budget and we pulled it off. So, Plaza Avenue is over, isn't it? East
of 27, am I thinking the right over by the plaza behind there? Yeah, that's not CRA district, is it? Just check that out. Oh, no. We have a very large CRA district. Very large. I didn't think we
went over across 27. Okay. Just just make the tower. Yeah, the tower. This is behind the tower. This Yeah. Yeah. This is be That's what I'm saying. This is east of 27. Are these two basically looking different?
Yes. No, that's Magnolia. So, look, that's Waldo. Yeah, that's Magnolia. Then we have Waldo, which is Magnolia, the one she just slipped over. Where's Magnolia in town?
Do you want me to go back up by that restaurant? And then here's the bank. Does it go north and south? This is Waldo. This is This is This is the one behind the Dollar General store. And that's the ball fields over there.
So, so Waldoff is like behind the Dollar General where the mid Florida is. It's the cut across the people. That road is used all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the construction. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Even before. Yeah. Yeah. True. Okay.
This road is used I mean I use it on probably at least once a day. At least. Um rather than go on 27, I can cut through there and shop. And it's very well used. And we put the sidewalk in because a lot of people from town walk
over there to that complex. What is that? Is is that Hillrest also? Yes. Okay. It's coming up to um Dell Hall. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. Do we have enough money left towards
all of these roads? Anybody keep track of how much of the 300 were allocated? That's part Well, we only added really basically we move we moved most of the money over. We added 100,000 for bathrooms.
Landscaping for the inner lake, 10 a dog park, 10. We added the rest of it. We just moved around. I have it in my car. I have the map. Joy, did you have the district? Did you have the map of the district?
The one I have is You can't read it. Yeah, I have one in my car. You want me to go get it? I have one in my house. You want me to go get it on the car? I should have this. I don't I didn't pull it up the CR district, but I could pull it up and we can bring it up from the top.
Have to be What's that, Ken? What's the road? She show me plaza. Plaza that's behind the tower. So when we budget this money, are we opening a door for the money being spent or no? This is it'll be discussed later and individual roads
will get approved. We need to we're putting it on here now, but um we have to do something with roads. No, we're he's his question is are we can we just lump all this together? Can we say oh yes yes yes and then decide right and
then decide correct yes you can so let's do that let's put the 200,000 road repaving and I guess Charlotte you need to be prepared for if we compare it to 150 or something like that but definitely every year you know we need
to address the road and the goal is is if we can get I know we say plans but if we can get a street pavement plan. It will address y the the storm water issues that we're having. It should help us to allocate properly. So, we are looking for
possibly I know it's like it's so unprecedented times right now that we really don't know, but there are grants that we could apply for and we are going to have some conversations with the county. They've already kind of started because they're looking at an over a whole county plan that if we could
contribute do an interlocal something of that nature. We may be able to do something there. It just doesn't come out really clear. There's a one I have. Yeah, that's one I have in the car. So, the plaza of avenues behind the tower. It goes from Triangle down to the
lake and then Magnolia is across the street from my office. It goes from where the Twice Butter is now to to down by the ball field. Um, so part of Plaza Street is in the district, but some of it might be out.
That was kind of where I was going. Correct. Yeah. Okay. So, and then Waldo is behind Dollar General. Okay. And Hillrest is by the by the by the post office. So, but question on that. Is Waldworth
in this district? What's What's right here? That's is that Well, they didn't put he Ray did this. Yeah, Ray didn't want the that. In fact, where they put the um Waw Wa in and that is not
Is this wall here or is it here? It's It's here. It's in the back. So, this is 27. Okay. And then these stores are not in it. So, but Plaza Avenue is right. We don't know where the road is though.
That's the question, right? That's Wawa. Yeah, I think. Yeah. So, it's right here. You can see it. Yeah, it's Yeah. Plaza Avenue. The lettering is on the Yeah, this is Inner Lake here. And then the well where mid Florida is not in the
CRA but to the north of it is and then to the well just have here have Allan double check on the four projects to make sure they're within tell him we're starting off 200.
He's getting what he wanted. So we're going to add that line item. He'll come back tomorrow from vacation and feel like it's Christmas. At least until the budget meeting. Where's right across from my office where Twice
Butter is now. Okay. Where Chef Buddies used to be. That street that goes right. And that goes up by the water tower. But the end of it is I don't think we own that. at the very end of it.
Okay. And we have this picture, right? So, what's the story? Yeah. Yeah. Well, shouldn't we? Why don't we vote? Can we go ahead and vote on our changes and accept and make a motion to accept accept the
CIP as with the changes? Can Can we ask anybody else if they want any other input? Oh, sorry about that. Yeah. Would the audience have any comments? Rose, chat, any additional projects?
I think you're welcome. I'm just happy you're discussing this. The sooner the better. It's nice to see a smile on your face. Did a study study about the woman.
So what you got to do is satisfy the womanisf. Thank you. Any other comments? Pure motion is 4 E. Did we discuss 4E the last one on lights or we're not going to or what?
So, we need to include that before we do any motions. We can. Yes, ma'am. You want me to go ahead? I think we have I think we have at this point $10,000
left. Am I right? For lighting. Is that what we we have in this? We have We can put this all in. Mr. LeBlanc and then what we'll do after is shift things around later. Yeah. If we need to, but go ahead and we at least give us a little direction on it. Yeah.
Um now the so the we're providing an update on the suggested lights and phased approach for installing decorative LED lighting within the CRA district through Duke Energy outdoor lighting. Now you you made a good point because we may not
have enough money to do all of the lighting. However, because Duke has a program for municipalities and we were able to meet with them, the example that is in the packet, they spoke with us and said that there are other options because of us being a municipality and
then also the needs that we have for outdoor lighting and things of that nature for the shine down there. I mean, it was amazing to be able to see what they offer and then you can look at the polls. Help me out with this. What were what did he say about what was all the way around it?
Oh, they they can take instead of you think of solar like it's a flat panel and they have them like real big and some of them just have flat top. You know, you you bought little yard things with the flat top and it has solar but they h have a wrap now. So, the pole is
actually wrapped with the solar panel and it's black. If you look real close, you can kind of see it's got some some solar looking stuff on it, but they actually wrap it. It's black and they wrap the pole. But they said, this is what he said and
this is what I remember. Since we already have underground power and the solar, this is like kind of like they're expensive. So that's more for you don't have underground because if you have underground, it's not going to be hurricane sensitive and all of that. So
since we already have underground, we really could utilize that and not go to the expense for the the solar wrap. But it is interesting because you don't have to you don't have to run electric underground. Yeah, I agree with that though that we should stick with our power
since we already have the underground infrastructure. The simplest thing to do is just pop the top off and put a new top on it. Um but to LED light bulbs which is cheaper on electricity and you know and uh and has down light so we need to really focus on downward light and yeah
he said that he's going to come down he's going to try he said he could probably come down here before our next council meeting because he said there's a a lot more than in the brochures that we've looked at. He said they have so many more options. They just don't put
them out there. So he said he would come down and look at everything for us, make a trip. Yeah. Can we like all be a part of that? In which case maybe he has got to come in front of a meeting, but I'd love to be a part of looking at the light options and discussing what options we
want to take, right? And I think our our plan was last year was let's go ahead and phase we'll do Interlake, we'll do Maine, we'll do Dow Hall and just, you know, if we can't afford to do it all at one time, let's break it up and do it in one year, two year, three year, right? But I think we should find the right
light, test it out, everybody sees it in place at night showing light and then say, "Okay, we all agree on that light, you know, and then let's, you know, make the plan to distribute it over time." But I would like to see those options. Well, I got tell you the truth, the one
that was in the packet, I do not like Yeah. Yeah. It's too modern. And if we're going to get the Victorian benches and all, I I don't think this one goes. So, I did go to the Duke Power site and they have a lot of lights and I don't know if it has
to be a down light or just a a more a stronger LED. Um, I just did not like this one. It It really has to be somewhat of a down light because you want to be dark sky compliant and that's when your light
goes escapes out then you're not dark sky compliant. Do we have to be dark sky compliant? You want to be kind of to be to kind of be politically correct. Yes. I think everybody's heading that direction. I think we really it's a thing to do. But I think the the biggest
thing that we could do is get Duke down here and get the merchants in here and and let them see what lights are available. They will totally all disagree, but at least they will all have had a say. And so, you know, as
much as I truly hate those boards with the little post-it notes, but sometimes that's what you got to do and put some lights out with the post-it notes. They could do a little thing in the parking lot. They could put the lights up and you know, things like that. They will do it. And did I not understand that they
had a like a leasing program where we can do our whole town, but we get on a lease and that way we don't have this whole big hit to our town. It's a little at a time. So, I would look at the cost because in our
subdivision, we lease all of the lights and just a subdivision lights are $1,000 a month is $1,200 is electric bill a month. So, I mean, just take a look at it. Now, the good news is when, you know, lights out are damaged, right? They come and
repair it. The better news is we recently replaced them all with LED. They they did it, you know, no cost to us. They came in and you know that's the same thing as Charlotte. I don't know if we own all the lights going down 27. Oh, we own
them, right? We or do we lease them? Because we leased them. They had a change out program that they wanted to do and boy, they came in and now some we've got people saying it's too bright. Much brighter and a lower electric bill, too.
And they paid for it all. We didn't do anything. the the fixtures allowed them to come in and do it. The I I don't need to be involved in any. I will trust you guys. Whatever you come up with, I would just And I like the idea with the merchants because Main Street again,
Main Avenue is dark. It's very dark. Now, not down at the Journal Plaza because they've got all the decorative lights, which is great. But you get past that, it I got the I got the numbers right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I'll leave it to you guys. I mean with what you're talking are you talking the pole and
everything or with the pole stays and we do something up above that that's where I would look at we've already paid just recently for all those polls is what can you have that's compatible for just to get us the brighter light and I'll leave it to you guys for cosmetics and all
that. That's not my area of expertise. I just want to be able to see. Yeah, I agree. Okay. All right. So I don't think anybody in the audience anymore. So, how much money are we allocating for this or we're not yet or what? Well, that's what I was going to say is
like um Mr. Blancc said that if we have 10,000 left over, we could put a 10,000 there. And then as Councilwoman Hayes stated that once we we discussed with them and said we knew we wouldn't have enough money in our CRA, however, it may be enough to get started. And they said they would come out, be able to develop
a plan for us, be able to have the conversation. We could find out what the cost would be associated with it. But we could at least put it on there for right now and then explore it more in depth when they come and present and see what our options are. So how much? 10,000. We'll just put a 10,000
placeholder there for now. Okay. So we're going to add that as well. I mean obviously we know it will be more. So basically 10,000 for exploration. Well, we can just put it uh street lighting and then use it for whatever.
Right. So, I I guess the big question is because we have to have things have to be on here in category in order to actually be able to do them even though we can move things around between categories. If the category is not there, we can't touch it next year, right? Is there anything new we want to add on that's not there? I mean, I think
we have a lot on there to work with still, but is there anything that anybody has that's not on here that we need to add as a new item? You know, I can't think of anything. We added the bathrooms. We've added the street lights. We added paving,
sidewalks, but there's no I mean, Charlotte, to what you just said, I I like that a lot because there's a lot of these things we want to get done, but we can't all at once. So then, let's just make a I mean, I'm I'm a business plan, like a
five-year business plan, right? And at the end of five years, this is what we plan to get done. These street lights will be replaced, the benches will be replaced, you know, the paving will be done by then. A lot of the master plans that you know with um Allen with the
storm water and some of the other I think roads master plan, right? And we'll have a better idea of how we can better manage over the next so many years. It'll make this process easier. Okay. Okay. Do I hear a motion to
approve the CIP with the changes? So move. Second. Any more discussion? Anything from the public? Anything from the dis? Please call.
I'm sorry. Who made the motion? I did. And I made the second. Okay. Thanks. Please call the role. You say roll and vote. Council member Hayes.
Yes. Vice Mayor Warley. Yes. Council member Charles. Yes. Council member Everheart. Yes. Board member Hartzel. Yes. Board member LeBlanc.
Yes. Thank you. Um, okay. Well, let's see, Miss Charles. So, next steps on this will be you'll incorporate all this and then the next week, I think the budget workshop for the town, this will be part of that. So,
we may get some more public input to make some changes. Um, maybe not exactly CRA, but my concern as you look at the town budget is do we need to add a project manager? Because again, we've had all this money
this year. We had all these great ideas and here we are carrying most of the money over. Why? Because you need, you know, you need project managers, you need the cost, you need the whether it's grants that might be out there for lighting and all that. So, it's like in order to get, I think, a lot of these
things done, we may need a dedicated staff. And maybe it's a it's a contract, you know, versus hiring somebody full-time. So, I'll just leave that to you to think about. We we actually it's we actually have a project manager that's being advertised right now and we have applications that are coming in. I
will tell you that we are either getting very very very experienced and outside of a price range that we can afford even a higher salary than even I make and I said well I you want my job here we can't pay for for some of the
services we do have our library um that we can utilize however we have a project manager position that is being advertised right now and it is already in the budget okay so that's good um we have some who are have the experience and would Great. And so we're we're trying to evaluate what it looks
like for the needs that we have. And and would that project manage position be for all the projects or I'm not familiar with it. This is this an added head. It's it's added right now. And so it's it was listed as assistant utility
director slash project manager, but they would primarily be handling mo all of our projects. So it would be police department, it would be all of the projects that we have, pickle ball, it would be everything. And and is uh permissible to have them work on CRA projects?
Yes. Oh, he he's going to work on all the he or she will work on every project we have and coordinate those. So and then we have our grant, you know, the grant platform to help with the management of the grants as well for
grant stuff. That's it. Miss Hayes, I feel good at what we did tonight. I think we made a lot of progress. I I'm certain that I kept up with the notes for a while, but I think uh have a few too many arrows. So, I will be happy to
see a clean version somewhere. But, uh but I'm really pleased with what we did tonight. Thank you. Yeah, me too. And I agree with what Colleen Charles says is that it would be nice if there was somebody who could, you know, push a lot of these things through because we realize current staff
is overwhelmed. So, uh, any help in getting these things accomplished in as timely a fashion as possible would be great. And once they're done with the, um, the master plan. And is there any update on the master plan? Um, are they on schedule to give it to us in November?
Yes, we she I actually saw her for the downtown master plan. I saw her when we were at the conference and she said that it's forthcoming, so it shouldn't be too long. Yeah. Because that hopefully will result in more ideas of things that we should be planning for. um in the future. Right.
The Dell Hall master plan meaning Florida. What's a D hall master plan? Downtown master plan. Sorry. Downtown master plan. That's the regional planning. Is that Jennifer? Yes, ma'am. Yeah. With the Central Florida regional plan which is supposed to be ready like November to present to us if I remember right.
Correct. Okay. Good. I think we're all kind of afraid to make a move right now because we're waiting for that master point of a lot of master. Yeah. Mr. Mr. Hartzell, any comments, ideas?
Miss Eberhart? No. Yeah. I'm also we I just think y'all are just doing a great job. So, okay. carrying nothing else.