good evening everyone welcome to the government center in the great town of lake plid at this time I would ask everyone to please make sure your cell phones are either off or un vibrate uh is Mr Roberts here okay evidently it didn't show would you please lead us in the invation if everybody would please rise we'll have our invocation and Pledge of Allegiance
o ruler of the universe please bless our town guide us as we bring democracy to Lake Placid representative democracy amen I pledge allegiance to the FL of the United States of America and to the rep for it stands one nation God indivisible withy and justice for all
hi clerk would you please call the role mayor Holbrook here council member Hayes here council member warley here council member Charles here council member everard here okay all it's been brought to my attention that they're still having a hard time hearing us up here so I'm going to ask everyone to please speak into the mics clearly so we get a uh get
an accurate presentation of what's happening okay we'll go into consent Agenda One now this shows a through D but I understand we have an addition which will be e you want to explain that first oh is it the playground or you wanted it under consent agenda right I wanted to move it from below so so the plag I had asked the playground uh be
put on the agenda and it's down below underneath the Town Administrator so I'd like it moved up into the I'd like the agenda change so we can move that above the CIP because it may have funding impl implications and we're going to discuss the CIP for approval so the timing of where it laid if there is um some consideration to pull playground equipment into this year's spending that that's why I wanted to move it up above
CIP so not necessarily move it to the consent agenda but move it from further down the administrator up above the CIP discussion okay then we'll go to consent agenda a through D I move we accept the cons agend uh a through D um I move we we approve the the consent agenda a through
D just to clarify it's asking to on the agenda it says playground is under D so all I'm saying is move the administrator item D up above and we can just above the CIP discussion so a through D is still fine on the agenda I'm not it's just tweaking this agenda to move and um Charlotte where is
it let's say it a different way administrator item D yes we're we're going to move right D2 to Move It Up Above we can move it um before the CIP fiveyear discussion correct so we'll do it after public comments and before public hearings that's fine so after three and before four oh so I'll in my um my motion to include that information I'll
second all right we have a motion of second any further discussion from the podium he n Tak the audience were there were there uh the changes to the minutes are they record we're all good okay okay okay thank you any comments from the audience bring it back pull the counsel I'm sorry
I didn't hear the second second I second P the council council member warley yes council member Charles yes council member Hayes yes council member everard yes okay okay number two presentations citizens on the agenda number a we have
we had a Citizens life saving award but unfortunately that individual couldnot be here so at this time we're going to present a a resolution and this is just a small one and I will read it in its entirety Lake pla Town Council resolution 2025-the Council celebrating the public surface
of Hosmer Lee Compton if you all don't know uh hos Compton would you please stand up please okay the lake pla Town Council was duly assembled on the 13th day of January 2025 a quorum was present Mayor John H Brook presided among other things the Town Council took pause to reflect upon Hosmer Lee Compton's four that's four Decades of Public Service to the
citizens of the town of Lake blid upon motion duly made in second the following resolution was adopted by the lake pla Town Council whereas hos Compton has been a vital member of the town's business Community for over 40 years working as a printer building contractor and realer and whereas hos Compton as a building contractor invested his time talent and treasure to develop North
Main Avenue by constructing Compton Plaza modestly named and whereas hos Compton worked to improve the town of Lake plet through his Service as member and president of the greater Lake plet chamber of commerce through which he created and published The Motto TR Lake plet first and whereas hos Compton was a founding and dedicated member of keep Lake pla beautiful
Incorporated through which he had donated time and treasure to plant and maintain the town's landscaping and beautification projects and whereas hos Compton was for 40 years a member and chairman of the lake plad local planning agency an intricate part of our town government working for the responsible growth of our town and whereas H Compton was appointed by the Town Council and the board of County Commissioners to the Lake plet
Regional planning committee and by his peers elected as its first chairman with the charge of planning the responsible growth of the entire Lake plet Area whereas the Lake plet Regional planning committed work four years to produce the Lake plard Regional plan which approved by the state of Florida Department of Community Affairs adopted into town code by the lake plid Town Council and adopted into the county code by the Howen County Board of County
Commissioners as the plan for growth of the town and surrounding unincorporated areas the plan addresses the density intensity water sewer roads Transportation building standards annexation signage Building height and any many other Concepts intended to maintain and improve the quality of life in Lake classet and whereas hos
Compton's next adventure is the construction of a hospital and remote underserving regions of the perian Andes now therefore be it resolved by the lake pla Town Council that the town of Lake plet recognizes Hosmer Lee Hosmer Lee Compton's 40 years as an outstanding citizen leader and servant for the people of Lake plad Florida hos Compton has bestowed the honorary title
of chairman emeritus shall be addressed within the town as Mr chairman resolved and spread upon the pages of the Town minutes this 13th day of January 20125 at this time we'll ask everybody to go down and please sign the uh the resolution that we have pause we will not present it to you today we are going to get it framed and and at that time we
we we'll make sure that you get it so that this time we all sign it and then we'll take some pictures
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couple things I want to do before we get started uh Bert would you please stand up as you all know Kevin is retiring at the end of the month and this is uh Bert Warner he is our new utilities director
he comes to us with over 30 years in water and wastewater in the Wastewater industry and 15 years in management and at this time I want to welcome him aboard and thank you for coming and secondly as as you come in some of you may have noticed the uh uh the new landscaping and and I wonder Gibby's not here I don't
think oh there he is stand up Gibby and the Chamber and ianz is not here they these guys were instrumental in donating uh the chamber got a grant but uh Gibby and adz donated more than that and we really appreciate what they did and Harry I want to appreciate all the hard work you did um working on the irrigation getting and everything planted um it it really
looks good it's been a long time coming and I want you to know that we really appreciate it and we really want to thank the chamber and Gibby and ianz for their support and all they do for for the town give them okay I guess we can this now
what we doing 2B okay now we're going into 2B mayor Holbrook and the Town Administrator Town priorities we've got a lot coming
up and tonight we're going to be discussing several significant issues and I'm hoping that they will be resolved because we need our town management to focus on several important issues that will affect the long-term growth of our community we have some work as a town which need to be addressed sooner rather than later and certainly before our budget process been meeting with the
department heads and and different people to work out uh this process and I'm going to present it to you tonight as we navigate key leadership transitions including the departure of our utility director and the town planner transition it's essential that we maintain efficiency and continuity to ensure this I ask that all inquiry from this point forward be directed to the Town Administrator
first she needs to be notified and involved in everything that is Town business this is not new this is something that Phil Williams started several years ago but somehow we got away from a little bit but this will allow staff to stay focused on their daily responsibilities and keep our town running smoothly the Town Administrator will coordinate priorities with me and any
other major items that will come before the council at that time we will either work through it ourselves or get with the appropriate people to resolve whatever issues they may be I really appreciate your cooperation and and commitment to keeping things on track during this period first our part of the County's planning process the count is in the process of reviewing
the countywide comprehensive plan that will include County review of the leak plid Regional plan additionally Avon Park initiated formal discussions with Sebring in the county regarding some of the same planning issues such as annexation enclaves sewer water the county included Us in these discussions that we've already had a couple different meetings meetings and we will continue to have
more in these discussions the following issues will be dressed by our governments Municipal boundaries and annexation specifically the annexation of enclaves Road planning ownership and maintenance current roads any annexed areas and future development whether to modify any of our leak pled Regional plan or planning area we have some Regional utility issues
inter local agreements on how we are going to serve County residents with sewer and how the C and how the county will help enforce D mandates next one is Grant application and legislative request then there's going to be priority of our service areas Town and County and then finally codes to implement ment the service in both the town and the county the county will need
our Town's position on these matters therefore I ask our local planning agency Central Florida Regional planning Council who is coming aboard and our town staff to review the lake pla Regional plan and recommend needed changes some of those that would include review of the area involved should there be additional areas or some that are deletions review of the department code
do we need any modifications review the enclaves and areas which should be annexed review the road plan for the area should it be adopted or modified and adopted and which road should we accept for maintenance upon annexation review the implementation and permitting efficiency and review our level of service for part s and
Recreation this is to be in step with the county we need to move quickly I would like our town staff to collaborate with the LPA and if possible with Central Florida Regional planning Council on these matters and report back to us the council with their recommendation recommended action by our May meeting which is about 90 days out I expect the process to be trans arent and include at least one public forum at the
LPA meeting for for open discussion and at that time we encourage public opinion next we go into utilities we have a lot of work to do in utilities Our Town committed to operate a regional utility for our area the commitment is spelled out in an an interlocal agreement with the county mo more recently and with the support of of the county our town and Regional utility sought and obtained
serious money to implement a Implement a septic to sewer program which is well into its we're working well into it now our regional utility and sepic to sewer problem program require further collaboration with the county number one the area to be served we need to review our our utility service area with
respect to our our planning area and the County's comprehensive plan our town needs to develop a proposed utility service area for our discussion with the county number two priorities Our Town needs to develop a recommendation regarding our septic to sewer priorities those priorities need to be discussed and agreed with the county and FD those priorities will drive Our Town and
County Septic to sewer process number three collection lines and boy we've had some passionate discussions about gravity and low pressure lines those questions need and will be resolved we should have an an analysis done by the design engineer of current feasibility and cost of gravity versus low pressure which will be required for each project prior to requesting
funding those costs must include Allin expenses lines pumps installation Road rebuilding Paving and of course maintenance so that the council can determine which method will be used for design and construction of each project then and only then can the town for hours and the county for theirs determine with full
transparency which lines will work and where connections we have been told that new grants from FD will require connections we the Town and County need to determine with clear and eye transparency how connections will be handled and which government will maintain which area the county has said that they are going to work with us on this project so I don't see it being a
problem but there's just a lot of areas we need to clarify County partnership the board of County Commissioners agreed to support and help with our Lake plet septic to sewer project the role of each government in the above issues must be agreed and formalized most likely by both well by an an interlocal agreement by Our Town and County code I therefore would like our regional
Utility Board and town staff to to consider and report back at our June meeting recommendations for these issues and of course Council I would really appreciate your support and let's moving these forward thank you this is this is a major step in the growth of Lake placd it's nothing that we should take lightly it's nothing that we are going to take lightly and it's going to be not only in the best
interest of our town but also of our County residents and I hope each of you understand that and will support what we're doing for not only for us but for you okay at this time I'll turn it over to our Town Administrator to piggy back off of the mayor we have a a meeting tomorrow it's um for the March meeting with the count count and the other municipalities and we will be covering
roads and concurrency we have a attentative schedule that is out with other topics so in April we plan to discuss fire rescue and fire hydrants EMS and the e911 system addressing in May storm water and establish and maintain Wildlife corridors water management districts and the environment in June it's to be determined at this point in July it's development growth and Resource Management planning there
may be some possibility of discussions with economic development and August it will be solid waste recycling and code enforcement September is sharing of equipment or resources duplication of services and school facilities October and November are both to be determined in December the plans are to finalize any in service boundary agreements and in Janu anuary 2026 have isba which is inter service boundary
agreements adoption adopted so I wanted to take a moment to express um our appreciation for our staff for the dedicated staff who continue to work diligently to keep the town running efficiently our team manages many moving parts and this is just one portion of a a minor piece that we do on the day-to-day we are trying to balance ongoing projects daily operations and essential services for our residents and the businesses that we
have the opportunity and honor to serve the commitment of our staff and their flexibility are invaluable as we navigate both the routine tasks and long-term initiatives we have a list of about 60 to 65 projects that are have either been ongoing are still in process or being closed out of some sort so I can't go over every one of those but I felt like this was the best place the mayor and I after we discussed to highlight a few of those items and it
will tie into some of the updates that we have at the end of the meeting so forgive me now because that'll come forward some public risk training for First Amendment auditor training our HR director is currently obtaining a third quote as soon as that is received training will be scheduled for all Town staff and Council will be invited to attend that training we have been asked about the barricades for the downtown um Christmas parade our uh Chief has reported that he is still exploring options as what he
has received is not cost effective the quote included the spec sheet on The Pedestrian barricade which would cover the entire length of in Lake however the cost for this was $4 46,6 36 and the vehicular system was for only one road with two lanes and would not cover any of the roadside along Interlake Chief I don't know if you want to add any comments to that with The Pedestrian barricades the only recomend Commendation I would have is to begin purchasing them in smaller
quantities until we have enough to cover the entire length of Interlake with the vehicle barriers it is recommended that we begin looking at those but the cost for two lanes was just too much was entirely too much thank you and again these are in no particular order just giving you some information um the picnic table at daine Park has been replaced we've replaced multiple parking
bumpers north of Journal Plaza between dowal Boulevard and observation Street and um set the rest to the proper angle thank you Alan and team Lake June Park dugouts the contractor was approved and chosen in our January meeting we are awaiting scheduled start date from the contractor so that is in process this week Harry has giving me an update that that will be this week thank you Harry Police Department update we have um site developments that are in that are taking place we have meetings
held um every other week we recently had a meeting on uh the 5th with Town staff and cool and cob staff we have an upcoming meeting on the 13th to discuss the um the electrical and communication needs we're coordinating a meeting with the County fire marshall to discuss options regarding the building and the town is in process of providing requirements for the bid documents to go out the advertisement the instructions for biders Etc so that will be able to go out shortly um in regards to
USDA our USDA uh Grant I don't know if everyone has seen but it had been placed on hold by the president we do not know what that's going to look like so it's still up in the air but at this time we do not have that secured there's a sports calendar for Lake June Park on the website that was also per request from residents and others who use the the calendar so thank you to Eva and Harry for getting that up and
running let see financial report and software our um human resources and also Finance director is looking into the town Financial software to identify cost detail and determine if additional reports can be created without software conversion and she's also full swing kickoff and audit text amendments will be handled by Central Florida Regional planning text Amendment will be um changes to our banners our um fertilizer those are some
of the updates for that so Central Florida Regional planning will be handing handling any text Amendment changes and we are creating a list um our current Town planner Miss Rell has already provided some of those text amendments to be reviewed and we'll continue through that process Lake June Park pickle ball court the surveyor has been hired we have approximately four weeks until the survey is expected and we anticipate that it'll be mid-march when we'll get
started on um the work over on the pickle ball courts pipe bursting is currently in close out with the contractor laser fish is being streamlined it will it will streamline everything for us it will be internal and external process forms being built training Etc things of that nature are happening so thank you Eva our town clerk for spearheading that and getting us all up to speed Dow hall building upgrades I have pictures for that but I'm going to come
back to that one um I want to do a reminder on February 17th Central Florida Regional planning will be here and they will be going over our Banner our sign and wayfinding um codes so anybody who is interested in that I would encourage you to attend that workshop and they are also doing this through our kickoff of our downtown master plan that they have um been contracted for we also need to reschedule our workshop for the town fees and establishing a fee schedule so
we do need to reschedule that and I just wanted to say that these are just High just few little bit of um high level things that we have going on again there's well over 60 plus on a list that we're working off of so this does not include any of our day-to-day operations or the services that are being provided by the town staff the pictures are on here Eva
so Harry's been working on getting our Dow hall building rehab completed these are some of the pictures I think they're in the opposite order but of before and after this is after and Harry I don't know if you want to make any comments or not not but it is ADA Compliant now we are
still working through some other items but just so that everyone here can see that we have some forward movement and progress and we hope to be able to schedule with Jennifer at the chamber a ribbon cutting sometime soon in the near future yes yes yes councilwoman iart said and it's below budget that's always something to Happ um we in the last meeting I mentioned
that we were going to have a joint meeting with the county about the fire department the new Fire Department coming that is being scheduled for us to meet internally with the mayor myself and some of the other Town staff for ATT tentatively in February and if everything goes as planned then they will return to our March meeting and they'll present to the public and also to councel and I just want to give a huge shout out to Jennifer bush with the chamber because we get to meet officially tomorrow on some initiatives
however we received data from the county from placer AI on the event that took place the the country fair I felt like this is It's duel because it shows the partnership between the chamber and also the work that goes in from our staff from preparing to make sure everything is set up from making sure that the day runs smooth with ensuring that the grounds are kept nice um thank you to the Chief and his team because they really do a lot so it shows how it's a lot of mov moving Parts but when we receive the data it's
57,000 people and I asked Jennifer if she wouldn't mind closing out my portion with a little bit of information about how do we attract those people here and I'll be happy to share the place or AI data we received that late Friday and I wanted to make sure she was available so she accepted to come and discuss it a little bit more so thank you Jennifer good evening Jennifer bush with the greater Lake pled Chamber of Commerce and this is something that um we're glad first of all that we had a great event
but again I would like to reiterate we couldn't do it without the collaboration of the town so thank you for everything from getting the parks the parks ready there was um pressure washing going on as we were setting up the trees were being trimmed at the park the park was in P pristine shape it looked amazing um to working with the police department they had a tent right next to our information booth and there was nothing there was no worry about anyone's safety
they ensured the safety of the visitors the vendors ourselves it was fantastic the collaboration and we look forward to doing it again with the cladium festival um so big thank you to the town thank you for all that you do so we did we were Pacer AI is just um so that you have an understanding it it tracks the people through cell phones and how many people attended the event and where they move around so um we were able to bring according to Pacer it's not exact I would say 6,000 uh we brought 6,000
people to town um for the country fair it's in its 54th year so I think we have done a great job continuing the flow of that we had over a hundred vendors this year and of course that's a great time for our nonprofit to come out and do their food cooking and then they have a chance to raise funds for their organizations as well so um just to give you an idea how we do that we obviously advertise through several different methods we use our local radio we use vendor magazines to get the call out to
the vendors to make sure that they are signing up to come to the events um I could not do it without my Administrative Assistant Nicole who becomes our vendor coordinator and she knows every single vendor that was there and what they do and she visits them and they have a great rapport with her so that's fantastic that we have her um but Facebook social media we had over 30,000 views for that event on social media we also Billboards now so there were three to four Billboards I did I planned it to
where there would be like a save the date that went out in January so as people passed those Billboards they knew there was an event coming and then as we got closer to it we advertised for several days in a row those got over 25,000 views those Billboards so people are seeing them up and down 27 as they're coming north and south on 27 so between Billboards radio print very ious print we have several different ads that we do as well from the newspaper all the
way to magazines um radio and social media so all of that was a successful turnout of about 6,000 people so and it's a lot of work but it's not as much work as the cladium festival so I'll be looking forward to all my volunteers stepping up for that and we couldn't do it without the volunteers so thank you all for your participation it was nice seeing the people who did come out thank you it was wonderful weather we had Chamber of Commerce weather it was great for two days and we had a lot of people turn out we can always tell with the traffic that comes down Inner Lake
Boulevard that's my job is to do the advertising so when the traffic is coming down Inner Lake I just get excited to see all those people coming into our event so we're very happy that we were able to do that look forward to next year thank you thank you Jennifer and I will tell you this weekend we had a a church group of approximately a hundred that came in on two buses they heard about Lake Plaza a couple of them had been here before but they come down spent the day went
through town I I actually got to meet with them and and greet them and at the end of the evening they they sent me a text and thanked me and and the church for all we did that they had a beautiful day the the police chief even uh had a police escort to to bring the two buses into town and get them to the church the this is what's nice about a small town and the what it'll do for
lake plet is is just I can't imagine because they they've already said they're planning another trip and they've talked to other churches so people are coming to Lake Placid because of what we have to offer and uh I I appreciate Jennifer and uh HW and the businesses I mean it's it's a it's a community group that that just want to see Lake pla grow and Thor and I just couldn't be more
proud of everybody and thank you to all okay all right next we go to C conceptual approval of an RV and boat storage facility good evening Dana Rell Town planner for
the record I wanted to go ahead and briefly introduce the concept of what we are about to engage in um this is new to the town and Council can advise if this is something that they would like to see again in the future or maybe not see again this is something that the city of Sebring employs often times when a developer comes in and is interested in
potentially rezoning a property and obtaining entitlements for particular uses and um a developer wants to proceed and know the best method of proceeding without first investing substantial amount of money into plans and uh planning and and Consulting and all these other things that they might have to do so the
applicant Kevin Manning who is the owner of the property is going to come up to our Podium here and he is going to tell Council a little bit about his project his agents are also cooling cob so they might chime in as well and they're going to be asking Council for feedback on various aspects of the design of their project or of the project in general and the comments from Council we have to
realize have not under um not been accompanied by staff review or any comments from staff that's that's the intention of this because staff doesn't begin to uh we we work with the customers and we have sat and worked with the customers but uh we won't put together staff reports and things like that until we actually have uh zoning change on the table but we are engaging in this process before we
actually move forward with the zoning change so please understand this is not a public hearing all of the comments made tonight are um not necessarily binding like these are not final decisions and council is not being asked to vote on anything tonight they're being asked for a consensus and to offer any comments that you might have that you find to be helpful to the
developer so with that I will ask Kevin Manning Andor his representatives to approach the podium and describe your project i' like add to Dana's comment one thing she gave a very good analysis of the process I would take issue with the word on the agenda approval this is not an approval this is a discussion you don't even have a formal application yet this is my understanding is simply a
conversation for what they would like to consider in their development and hear your comments no approval thank you I agree good evening my name is Kevin Manning I represent fdm Land Development the property in question question we feel that the location of this property is not only convenient for our future
customers when arriving in town for the weekend but also when out heading out of town after a long weekend with deceleration Lanes already in place along us27 and acceleration Lanes along with the crossover of US 27 to the North and South we also feel the location is ideal noting that be reducing traffic from its current traffic count as Medical offices as we see a need for more
coverage storage within Lake Placid it is our intent to develop this property as a premier RV and boat storage facility specifically coverage storage to protect these expensive personal investments from the floor to sun when not being used for their intended purposes note the parking spaces will be covered not enclosed we're not looking to build condos we're not looking to create warehouses while Light maintenance Services may be provided to our customers major repairs will be
performed off site at local repair shops this is also solely to be a storage facility no overnight stays will be permitted we'll be monitoring through surveillance cameras on the property not only to ensure that we don't have any visitors during the night but we also don't have any unwanted guests with regards to the three existing offices on the property our plans are to utilize one as an office one as storage and maintenance building and the last structure to reconvert it
back to a residence for on-site Management in our quest to complete an application for submitt to the town we've come up with a couple obstacles one has been a frontage road along US 27 going from the property to the north of our property to the South we understand the need for for a parallel Road When developing a property for multiple businesses and or multiple
use ours will be singularly use so we'd be requested with regards to that ordinance that we include an item or a notation within the deed in the event that we ever sell this property the new Builder owner developer that wants to change its use again from the intended use that we're proposing must meet that requirement recently in submitting our information
to the town another common has been brought up a multi-use path along us27 once again we're trying to understand the use of this or the purpose of this requirement and would be requesting a variance from that the appearance or maybe more so the shielding or the use of the property from passing traffic within the town of Lake plas it's our understanding that metal buildings are frowned upon visually and
we are not proposing metal buildings rather covered storage we have neighbors to the south of us with a pack Citrus packaging place that has a structure very similar to what we're proposing next to them is a new RV facility and to the south of them as boers world all of which are going to provide the similar appearance to ours we're just going to be mixed with RVs and boats whereas their two properties
may be singled out within our Landscaping plans we have had Communications with our neighbor tamoka Heights and with some recent maintenance and activity that was incurred by their association their Shrubbery and and privacy from our property in us27 has been removed we're going to propose which would be provided at a later date to come up to
an agreement with them on how we can assist with our landcaping package to incorporate with theirs for Accelerated growth and change the view they don't want to see 27 we don't want to see them that's all I have for this evening
has this been discussed with LPA we're jumping over LPA to come to Town Council for feedback okay I I personally don't like that I I feel we've got LPA in for a reason and they are experienced and they provide a lot of valuable input so I don't want to start precedent of having companies go
around both the utilities um Advisory board or a local planning to come to Town Council to get feedback that kind of puts us in a little situation too so that's my comment other words I haven't had enough to study it to make any other comment um well as long as you're here my is um it'll be really helpful for the LPA or whoever to see a 3D rendering of
what the structure would look like this is up to you know imagine it doesn't sell it doesn't say it's good I can't tell if it's good I can't tell if it's bad and 3D renderings are not that expensive and the rendering of the structures hasn't been that hasn't been something that that we've avoided and we don't feel that there's an issue we feel we feel there's a
compromise there somewhere along the process the frontage road is is probably our largest obstacle more so than more so than providing the 3D rendering and we'd be more than happy to provide that that would be most helpful for the LPA also and for tamoka people and then if if the uh if the rendering was structured such that you could see the line of sight between the top of your build your structures and what the homes would see in
tamoka what what are you asking from us they're really looking for feedback and as I noted before are not really a vote so I might be able to bring up a couple items that we've discussed if um
that assists with the conversation so one of the conversation points is about the enclosed or non-enclosed um structures so we've discussed varied methods because usually in the C1 District which would is our Highway commercial District buildings require full enclosure for storage uses so there's been various thoughts thrown
around like a burm with a wall just a wall partially enclosed structures fully open structures are there any just off the cuff comments about the enclosure of the structures I I think before we could even render a decision on that we'd want to see what they what they're going to look like uh I mean from this all we can
see is it looks like we're looking down on it uh looking at the roof so really we don't have much to to see about that uh as far as the the the BM and Landscaping between them and tamoka I think that would be between you and tamoka M this you know you would have to uh you would have to work out your agreement there and then bring something back to us that would be acceptable okay
that just my feeling I don't know how Council feels but you know I mean for us for us to tell you what you can and can't do at this point I think is uh kind of kind of a mute point right now I think we need a lot more information before we could even think about deciding anything which still what still brings us back to the one probably the largest obstacle that we've in communication
with Dan over the past two and a half years the frontage road is there any leeway in that I I don't know about that I would say in our growth management plan that's what we decided and that's what we need to do I mean it's maybe um hard for you to comprehend that but we do not want Cuts in the road all over the place so we decided to do
that as a community and it wasn't an easy decision it took three years of planning not just our meetings hours and hours every meeting we met so um we decided on that the multi-use path I think also I mean that's what we decided during our growth management meetings of all of those many hours I mean it went on for
three years I mean I tried to attend every one of them and some of them were they were like at least two to three hours long so that's what we want for our community that's our our vision um also I've had a lot of I cannot tell you how many comments I've had what are those buildings doing what's going on over there what are you what are you planning to do with the three structures there I'm just curious I stated that in the beginning they're going to be turned into offices
one of them is going to be remodeled back into a residence for on-site management so some would be one would be a resident and then the others two would be offices correct okay um okay in other words they're plan I guess Remodeling and turn turning two of them into an office building and the third one it'll be a residence probably for the manager of the property it I understand that but I think you know if I'm going to live in the middle
of a RV storage thing I think I would want to see all as well more information about what it's going to look like approximately
390 yes ma'am and you can kind of tell when you look at the parking spaces in front of the three houses where the uh where the units will be in these covered areas yeah it'll there's going to be quite a few of them I think one of the items they were also looking into exploring tonight I um I think I'm hearing that we we do need to see more things to be able to discuss
this more in depth but one of the questions was does council necessarily need to see a full-blown landscape plan in order to be able to make decisions regarding Landscaping deviations I would if it's a deviation okay but again I would pref not prefer I would ask this goes to LPA
you know I don't want us to now have everybody who wants to develop something get on Town Council for preliminary feedback it's it's not the best use of all of our time you know I'm I'm sorry but we have LPA in place for a reason with very experienced people I don't want us to start having everybody come here for some preliminary feedback that maybe they even have different ideas that's just yeah I I don't think that was their intent though I know but I me
now ask now can we deviate from a landscape plan can we do these other things so I I was at the meeting at tamoka when they presented this to the residents there and uh he he went over most of this at that time with them and uh I think right now your main concern would be the frontage road well then and the path Miss warley made the comment Frontage Road and then multi-use path to
me that's two different yeah definitions yeah a multi-use path we don't necessarily have an objection to right even though the we don't see where that's going to go but I'm not going to argue that yeah putting in a frontage road yeah I've got a concern with that well and I'm looking at this I personal my personal opinion I don't see where a frontage road is going to help anybody here uh when you get to the south end
tamoka has that has that covered when you get up to the North End past the houses you're done anyway yes sir uh I'm I'm there but there again I'm just looking at it right now uh I and talking to our our attorney I just I just don't see where a frontage road is going to be beneficial to to us or anybody else in the town so I would think that would could be an item that
is flexible once we get into a little further and that's something that can be discussed with the LPA but uh fair enough and again that that's just my my personal opinion may I comment yeah first I wholeheartedly agree with councilwoman Charles in the I wholeheartedly agree with councilwoman Charles I believe this is out out of the order the issue you bring up about Frontage Road um my understanding and
talking with Dana is she's tried to encourage landscaping and that is met with resistance as well as the where the storage is not open facing 27 that met with resistance this is a plan development zoning it's more of a Let's Make a Deal type zoning and you can have these discussions there's no code that says you have to do
certain setbacks or things is this coming through okay now you're good so if you do as the mayor s um implies and get rid of the frontage road can we talk about enclosing it at least on the 27 and the tamoka side so those views are not open to the public and can we talk about some really strong Landscaping mhm and you already mentioned the pathway as a possibility I
mean I think that's what Dana was trying to do words in her mouth but may I speak I'm Carl Co with cool and cob engineering company and we understand what Bert suggested to start with you cannot approve this tonight we know that what we would like to do and we understand the proper procedure is to
go before the planning LPA we understand that what we would like to do is show them what we're proposing to do and we would show them that we plan to put in landscaping that meets the town cat we understand that we don't think we should go hire a landscape architect and have it designed just to submit it to them will stipulate that we will have a landscaping design that meets the town code but we would like to
explain to them what we're planning to do and stipulate Landscaping will come later but we don't think we should have to design the whole thing completely design it just to get their review and comments as to is it the right zoning or not we we understand that and we need to go there first but we we can address each of these issues with them and then get their comments and bring them back to you for your
consideration but the other thing that Dan said if you see some problems you don't want an RV storage facility on this site would you tell us that now that's what we're TR here tonight we're not getting approval but if you see something that is bothersome to you you don't want want a high-end RV storage site at this location we would appreciate you telling us that
tonight and to add on a little bit to miss Charles's Point um I don't necessarily it doesn't sound like this will be a good Avenue going forward but I've shared that the local planning agency prior to this Council when the last storage facility came up stated that they specifically did not want any open yard storage
facilities on US 27 where people are entering and exiting the the community and the LPA is a recommendation board they also wrote a letter to the Town Council explicitly stating that they did not want these particular facilities so understanding that the LPA is a recommendation board and the Town Council is a uh the the final voting Authority I think that's where they were wanting some
clarity can you get us a copy of that um correspondence that you're referring to please certainly thank you I guess I would also um want to be comfortable that tamoka heids is okay with the location of this uh of this facility essentially in front of of their development and what concerns they
may have about not only the Landscaping but traffic that situation my name is Ryan Hedley I'm one of the uh Board of Directors for the tamoka heights Owners Association uh to date what we've been focusing on is
reworking our fence line and uh coordinating with the Mannings who have been very very accommodating to us to provide us access for a major project for us in the course of that action uh one of the things that we ran into was a Transformer that was all overgrown nobody had a record of it uh got Disturbed and remedy of that problem in the future they worked with us to realign the fence line and put that Transformer which services our community inside our property line so now we have utility
access Etc so we've had a a very positive interaction um to date we do have limited knowledge about the the outcomes because we don't have the sketches and those types of things but these are all things that are very difficult to finance and move forward with in an economic development environment unless you have some assurance that there's going to be some kind of potential feedback of possibility of project going ahead so from our Viewpoint we haven't had any negative impacts by their preliminary
planning and uh we're looking forward to getting more information as I'm sure the council is so thank you so I don't well I I just I have one more question um there's an RV storage facility North on on 27 North up by 98
are you familiar with that RV facility yes ma'am is this going to be similar to that no and and how is this going to be different what's up on 98 I agrees in isore well it's on 27 I mean just south of 98 on 27 okay okay the
front of it is is individual storage they you know they started out as storage facility renting out small spaces right then they Incorporated they went to outside storage uncovered then they Incorporated some covered and they Incorporated some uh buildings all of their structures are extremely high they don't need to be in that height um and they're also their visib ability there's you know they built it to the rear of the property but there's no there's no
Landscaping plan there's no nothing shielding that and you know we've we've thrown a couple different ideas trying to get some feedback as to what direction is is more appeasing um we don't necessarily agree with putting a privacy wall similar to Josephine lakes or up by Buttonwood it's a big piece of concrete um you can try and decorate it you know or we get somebody and try and put one of the biggest murals in Lake plet on it
we've thrown different ideas we're looking we haven't found an idea that that Dana has looked at us and said that's the winning ticket um you know we've we've gone back to Let's remove the wall let's remove the burm let's concentrate more on some landscaping and then as far as you know us in the building whatever type of siding where's the compromise um and and that's what we're looking for is is from a feedback we don't we're not
necessarily saying that we want to put in just a metal building and put this square box up there we want something appeasing and and I appeasing as it's coming in one of our concerns of putting up walls is it also takes away an individual driving down the road and we've got individuals inside that are doing something to someone's boat or to their RV um it takes away the the visibility Factor um you know it goes both ways so all our goal here tonight
wasn't necessarily to try and put anybody in an uncomfortable spot but rather in our conversations over the past couple years the end result comes down to the councel whether you're going to agree to this proposal or this proposal and we're looking for some guidance on what are your thoughts we're not asking you know as it stated in we're not looking for a commitment we're not looking to yes this is going to be
approved based on X but hearing a little bit of feedback gives us an idea of the direction we want to go before we continue investing in this property okay thank you yes ma'am I would defer to the whatever the LPA has has done in the past and what they see for this I'm I need their
experience the last thing there were there's what I'm sorry I need their experience I I wouldn't say yes or no tonight and especially I'll say it again from this it doesn't sell itself if you had 3D renderings it would help the LPA also I'm happy to provide the the emails to the local planning agency if you'd like to reach out to them on an individual basis as well fair enough
yeah I think if you had a a little more detail on what the buildings are going to look like uh maybe show the uh yeah if if you and tamoka can come to a landscaping agreement because everybody knows I'm against walls also uh I think if you guys can and tamoka seems to be willing to work with you uh hopefully you'll have a good partnership there uh show the multi-use path um get
all that together take it to LPA let's see what their feed feedback is and you know we can go from there but you know at this time there I don't think any one of us is willing to commit to anything and that wasn't our that wasn't our goal the recommendation was to come in front by Dana to present it to get a little bit of feedback and we followed her instructions you know if it's done properly and and looks nice I don't want
to I don't want to inhibit anybody from bringing a new business to town fair enough but but we wanted to to to represent our community in the way we we want it to look absolutely okay all right thank you for your I just like I'd like to add too that I just don't think we have enough information what is it what is it going to look like you know what is the finish on the buildings um um so I agree with council member Charles and ever har I think we have the I think we have one of the best LPA
you've ever had for the Town Lake plet they're really smart and so they could give us guidance as well so thank you very much for coming though we're excited that you want to do something in Lake plaid yes ma'am thank you very much thank you gentlemen for your time tonight
okay at this point now we're going to go to public comments I only have a couple uh Ernest Fentress mayor councel my name is Ernest vess I've been you have to get a lot closer speak into the mic for us I've uh my name is Ernest Fentress I've been a a
resident of this community for 10 years um last couple of years I've noticed there has been an increase in the uh sound levels noise levels in our community where people in their backyards playing music or whatever um has gotten increasingly loud and more frequent and I found out the hard way from a family that lives right in behind
us uh that decided to turn the music up as loud as they possibly loud do it and it blasted the back end of my house with the sound so loud that it rattled the windows so I called the police and and I talked to uh some officers and uh and I talk to police chief and basically the bottom line and
I've emailed you all is that there's nothing that could be done about anybody that wants to play music between the hours of say like 7 o'clock in the morning and 9:00 at night and they can play it as loud as they want to um with what kind of music or Sound it could be profanity it could be anything that if they want to as loud as they want to as long as they want to andless as long as they turn it down by
9:00 that at night I would appreciate y'all's help in figuring out what to do about this Sound Ordinance The Sound Ordinance is vague according to the police chief and it needs to be fixed and um I don't know if anybody has any questions about that and I've spoken to some of y'all
personally all right I'll turn it over to the chief clar just to clarify when we spoke the item I was talking about that was vague was the state statute on noise on vehicles and that's why it was not allowed to be enforced for quite some some time they had to rewrite that okay yes sir the count the Town and County
ordinances give deible levels but we have no way to measure them so there's nothing that we can do about measuring it I also spoke about your incident with both officers on scene who stated the music was not that loud okay while they were there the music was not that loud I appreciate that you feel it was but I've also watched their body camera video and you really cannot hear the music from the roadway I I I can only enforce what I can enforce I cannot go and tell people
what they can and cannot do on their own property I also cannot tell them they are not allowed to have a wedding in their backyard they're allowed to if that's what they wish to do and and I appreciate I know that it Disturbed you I get that but it doesn't rise to the level that would require someone to be arrested it just does not require it does not rise to that level I thank you but I respectfully disagree
my daughter and my daughter's family was in my house when this occurred and they could testify that the sound was so loud that in my house I could hardly hear someone else speak so I I I just I don't know what to do about it it was loud and it did happen um my grandson lives two blocks away
from me he could hear it he said it was extremely loud at his house two blocks away so I respectfully disagree with what police chief said but the sound was too loud and in this community it's become more and more frequent and I appreciate y''s attention thank you um I'd like to make a comment please I I really appreciate yes ma'am your courage
to come up here and describe this situation yes ma'am and um you sent a letter to us and I went and looked at the code and I do you know maybe maybe I'm interpreting a wrong but I do believe that there's a code violation uh maybe it's not clear and maybe the difference of when the officer came and what you're experiences is you know not the same level or not but the code actually says noise disturbance means
sound which a is harmful or injurious to the health or welfare of a reasonable person with normal sensitivities or being unreasonable interferes with the enjoyment or normal conduct of Life property or outdoor recreation and so from what you're saying I believe it does also say which was surprising to me that from 19 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. is the quiet time I mean I personally wouldn't want somebody blasting music and rattling my windows
at 6:05 a.m. that's a whole different so when I read this I feel that there is something in our code on noise and I believe there also is in the county I think where we're at is the and and I don't even know how to say the provability I mean I believe what you're saying I I I mean I lots of times we hear the music coming across the lake just loud as can be in that um so I think what we have to determine is the right way to be able to enforce that so
that it's you know and again maybe we don't measure the decb but I think anybody um whose windows are rattling because the base is going pretty loud of one of their neighbors is a noise disturbance those are my comments um and I guess if there's other comments I think we then need the town attorney to give some comments also but joy you you I I pulled up the quote also and I'm I'm confused Chief
because um it says that um sound level measurements are not necessary to enforce this chapter having it say that it's very subjective the officers that were there stated that the music was not that loud when they were there they did not have the same experience that Mr Fentress is describing I watched their body camera video while the officers were there you could barely hear the music them standing at the roadway in front of the
house you could barely hear the music that is not loud and it is not injures in any way well no I'm not I'm not arguing that when they were there it probably was not loud but going forward you mentioned that you're the you don't have the mechanisms for measuring sound levels and then what I'm reading here is that you don't have to necessarily me it's recommended that you measure it otherwise it's completely subjective it's up to the officer interpretation of
what they feel as injures so a better way to go about that is through measuring decibels that way we can say this is exactly what it is otherwise it's completely subjective may I say one other thing that I've understood from the police chief that there is an ordinance that if someone in in a neighborhood has loud music coming from their vehicle that the officer can stop
them and I I'm not sure if they site them or what they do it's not an ordinance it's Florida State Statute and it's if the stereo is audible more than 25 ft from the vehicle 25 ft if an officer can it within 25 ft of the vehicle then he can stop them but if someone is playing loud music in their backyard and there were speakers that were turned towards our
house that was extremely loud I would I have done PA systems all my life I know what loud music is it was loud and it was obnoxious and I I don't know what else to say but if it's 25 ft for a vehicle it should be 25 ft for an officer standing either inside a person's house and listening to it
or outside from the street listening to it they should be able to stop it so so Mr har so there seems to be a conflict between vehicles on public roads and somebody's house or their neighbor that's kind of where I was headed next I think you're crossbreeding two different codes um breaking it down a bit how many times have they your neighbors had such loud
music with speakers pointed at your house just one time sir but I'm saying in our neighborhood I have walked our neighborhood many times and I've heard loud music coming from blocks away I know it occurs in its in increasing frequency I'm just saying that there needs to be something set like a deciel reader that an officer could use to determine how loud music is
played by a neighbor and that's what I would appreciate I would always defer to a state statute if there is one that has the remedy that we're looking for I'm pretty sure the chief would as well rather than try to craft our own um and again if you're when you're talking about next door that's a different thing than trucks and vehicles um and it would it be fair to
say that your next door issue has resolved itself it it's not occurred but that one night which is February 1st but um I'm just saying that it occurs has occurred more frequently in our neighborhood as a general neighborhood the lake downtown Lake Placid neighborhood I'm just tring trying to figure out what evil we're trying to correct and it sounds like General in the neighborhood some
house or some car I'm not saying I'm just giving a comparison between the cars and what neighbors do okay and can do a neighbor could could uh turn their music up Extremely Loud towards their neighbors all day long every day of the week and as long as they turn it off at 9:00 at night and it doesn't make any difference
how many debel Bells it is and how if a neighbor is doing that to some other neighbor it my I was always taught that my rights end where my neighbor's nose begins and that's just the way it should be in in a free Society just to clarify on that not every day if someone is doing that every day then it is disturbing the peace because they are intentionally doing it to you
pointing it at your house and doing it daily day after day after day I'm just saying there one time event it is not anything that is intentionally done to you no sir it's not intentionally done but I'm saying that it could be no once you hit that that's where you begin to rise to the level of disturbance ing the pece and we begin to sight and arrest people under State Statute okay thank you sir I appreciate
it can I make a recommendation I was just going to to recommend that whenever we have Central Florida Regional planning looking at our text amendments that this could be one that they could potentially take a look at and if need be move forward with some workshops and get some feedback thank you and I believe the chief will tell you there there is equipment that will register decimal levels but it's very expensive I've looked on Amazon and you can get them for less than $50 I don't
know if I would you have to make sure that they can be calibrated and they have to be calibrated every six months to maintain them and it's extremely expensive we looked into it in the past to try to remedy this it's it's so expensive it would shoot our budget we wouldn't I would have to let officers go to be able to afford a deciel Mir and that that kind of is counterproductive I agree with the Town Administrator let's put this as part of the central planning and see how even the county and the other towns are
handling it I know that we have a a noise ordinance in the county and it's just like you said sir it that that morning part is is difficult it really is and the the challenge that you run into is First Amendment and we ran into this several years ago when we we had people that were blasting uh rap music and everything from their vehicles and we couldn't do much about it because they they cite their First Amendment right to to free speech so um and and
it's only human nature that you call the police department and when they get there they turn the the music down and as soon as they leave they turn the music up they do it all the time so uh but that that's the that's the line that you walk is the difference between their right to free speech and your right to a peaceful existence so that's what has to be mitigated yes
ma'am all right thank you I want to take just a minute this past weekend we lost two of our senior classmates from the high school here in Lake plid in a horrible accident on 27 North and I'd like to have it in the
record that the Lake plid Town Council sends their deepest condolences to the family and parents of those those two youngsters who who lost their life at such an early age on such a needless accident and I'd like to have a a moment of silence for them if if we
may thank you a good friend of mine her granddaughter was the young lady that was killed in that accident uh my my heart just goes out to him I just can't I can't fathom losing a a child like that so I I just hope everybody will keep that family in their prayers while
they're while they're going through this uh this difficult point in their life thank you all right this time Margaret dear good evening everybody I'm Margaret deer for the record and I just have a few very brief comments um it was brought to my attention that um I think sometimes staff doesn't hear what the
citizens have to say Let Me Tell yall you do more with less than anybody I know and I want to tell you thank you your work does not go unnoticed and you are appreciated and when you hear come complaints they're not complaints they're saying we want more of you we
appreciate what you're doing we just want more and on that note I'm thrilled with the progress of the CRA meeting keep Lake pla beautiful and those folks work their tals off to bring a beautiful presentation if the work out front is any indication of what's going to happen on inter late man it's going to look awesome I think the disconnect is not
understanding that this is a new Council a new administrator we're growing and we're trying to find some balance in the next period until the next budget cycle until everybody can get the resources that they all need to do better it's going to be bumpy and we have to be patient and feel free to tell us us the citizens that have these unrealistic expectations not no but not
now and we're all hurrying and trying to get ready for HGTV and we want everything to look perfect well I'm here to tell you it doesn't matter how we look cuz that's not what makes us great us makes Lake Placid the people the citizens the Dead dedication and I can't think of it anything more wonderful than having more people notice us warts and
all thank you thank you Margaret thank you Margaret thank you and and since you brought that up I was going to read this while Mr Compton was here but but he has left I got a letter here from hos Compton and it says I wish to compliment and thanks our Public Works Department and director Mr Alan Kefir in particular for his leadership our town has never looked better this is further
exemplified by last weekend's arts and craft festival the park was beautiful Public Works workmen were on site and constantly keeping Park tidy and cans emptied and bringing no attention to themselves they were very professional the day following everything was back to perfect amazing how much work was done with seemingly no obvious effort PS same goes for day after our parades Mr Allen
kefir has always been one of our unsung heroes Kudos sincerely H Compton you know Allan does a great job but I got to say kudos to our entire staff it it takes a lot of work from everybody uh I I like to think of us as a family and we all get along well together uh they all work together and I'm I'm I'm I'm very proud of of all of our
employees and I I really appreciate Mr Compton sending this letter so uh again thanks to all our staff I'd like like to add one thing um that week before the um Country Fair it was miserable and rainy and cold and staff was out there pressure washing the park in that miserable
weather so thank you all right we now go to number four public hearing ordinance 2025-the
oh that's right I forgot my mistake I was going to move was going to move you up but no I would do it right at the um at the resolutions right wherever you want to do it okay we can do it at the end of these all right all right thank you just warming up my PowerPoint
here good evening again Dana Rell Town planner for the record we're about to launch into ordinance 2025 d01 which is a zoning change for the Church of the Nazarene this is a quasi judicial hearing so actually let me go back and let us read the ordinance into the record if we
would please mayor can you see that can we go ahead and read it in yes please okay and ordinance number 2025 d01 an ordinance of the town of Lake Plaza Lake plaid amending the zoning classification of the property located at 512 West Inter Lake Ard Lake plad Florida from C2 limited commercial District to ctpd limited commercial plan
development District to allow for a church and church uses and adding section 160- 22 of the code of the town of Lake Placid entitled Lake plad Church of the Nazarene plan development ordinance providing for severability providing for conflict and providing for an effective date thank you and and I'll also ask Council if they've had any expar communication regarding this case if we could start with Miss Art thank you Miss
Worley thank you Mr Holbrook no thank you Miss Hayes I got an email from the uh from the developer with reference to the lighting change and um we were still I thought we were going to discuss that before the meeting today but I did not see them so yesk you thank thank you and Miss Charles no thank you at this time I'll ask the agent and
the expert witnesses to please stand so we can take an oath the assembly SAR affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing the TR thank you okay so this is case hearing number lptc 25.1 RZ this is a proposed zoning change in
regards to the property owned by the lake CLA Church of the Nazarene whose agent is Poston engineering and the property is located at 512 West Interlake Boulevard the applicant is requesting a resoning for the subject property from commercial District C2 I'm sorry from limited commercial distri District C2 to limited commercial plan development District C2 PD to allow for a church and church uses and adding section 16-22 of
the code of the town of Lake plid entitled Lake plid Church of the Nazarene plan development ordinance on the screen you can see a visual of the property that we have the aerial map and we also show the existing future land use which is resident IAL office and we show the zoning of the property as it stands today on the left hand side Zone C2 and on the right hand
side C2 PD is the proposed zoning the applicant is not requesting a change in intensity and I'll go ahead and sail through this because we've talked about this before at first reading the surrounding properties are compatible with the existing use there were no major comments some comments were offered by engineering and the applicants did address some of them but these comments will be uh addressed
more closely at the time of commercial site plan review and the county indicated the applicant will need to submit a permit application to the county for the off-site improvements proposed within the county rights of way the property is currently served by the town's off-site potable water system and it is also currently served by an on-site wastewater treatment system meaning septic the town does have the capacity to serve the development
however a connection is not available at this time just due to distance um once the Wastewater line becomes available within one year of notification they will be required to connect and the town of Lake Placid uh has indicated that we have capacity for track garbage collection in the Highlands County landfill also has capacity The Highlands County
engineering department administers traffic concurrency and they indicated a traffic study will not be required at the time of development the proposed use oh it looks like I have a typo in there it says retail sales um of a church is not residential in nature so it doesn't generate any student impacts and so um Public School impacts are not
proposed as part of the development Recreation is not a requirement as part of commercial development but open space is and they are proposing to comply with that they'll actually have more open space because they're asking for parking over grass and we discussed last time and at the local planning agency meeting that that a trail is proposed for for this area right now everything on the east side of Tangerine already has sidewalks
constructed so replacing that with the multi-use path will be better served if we apply for a grant and we do that as a cohesive project any new projects going forward especially on the west side of Tangerine should be required to have a multi-use path or pay into it so just some visuals regarding the paths I can go back to them if we have any questions we went over all of the
conditions last time um so I I actually just really want to go over the changes to the zoning conditions based on the vote by Council and the applicant agreed to this however I do think there will be more discussion on some of these points so the I just did some some formatting for letter a and then letter B we talked about canopy TR coverage still being required for the development it just
wouldn't have to be next to the vehicular use areas is the text um right oh in there okay under okay thank you yeah I can probably split it into no got it now Charles got me squared away here I'm good all right uh so yes it was letter B that indicated that they would still provide canopy
tree coverage and meet the requirements of that they just didn't necessarily have to do it next to their vehicular use areas because they will be parking in those areas lighting the question came up at the last hearing regarding the lumens across the parking lot and the language was added that prior to the issuance of a final development order a lighting plan shall be provided showing an average of five foot candles across the parking
areas are we discussing that now or are we just reading that yes uh well I don't know if we can discuss it now but we had gone through after the meeting and looked at other recommendations from other communities on what they would have or have required for parking areas and the standard appeared to be one foot candle as an average so instead of the five we would like to kind of bring it back down to the standard that we have
found in so other communities I believe we did send you miss uh Hayes the uh the the information on that we have additional U uh handouts for other council members just to kind of look at them to understand a little bit more about lighting and the requirements for different types of uses there's a few more
yeah yeah that should be yes we we had emailed you that information along with emailing it to the owner just so they would be clear on that and on I believe on the second page is where they actually T talk about some exterior lighting and parking
areas yes and you high all okay I I think my biggest concern and and I understand 5 foot candles is difficult and I and I don't mean for your parking lot to look like a used car lot okay but um uh point three is totally unacceptable as well so I mean a three is for anybody that doesn't have a clue of what that is it's sort of like uh South Main Street at night um and not
by Jal Plaza so um that's that's not what you want because you're going to have uh people walking through your parking is on the grass so you're going to have an uneven surface where people are trying to walk through there very easy turn an angle break an ankle you know fall down be accosted all this stuff um and this is a very good lighting guide I appreciate it very much and I think Council should um retain that because it's going to come up time and time and again when we look at
different building plans and and lighting a lot of times get pushed to the side and uh and and I'm a pain in the butt when it comes to that but um OSHA parking lot recommendations and requirements they do have in high activity areas a lighting requirement that can be as high as 5 foot candles however I would be willing to compromise any go with a minimum of one foot candle throughout but not3 that is not acceptable yes that's that's what we were looking toward because again most
areas we also uh had some uh documentation from the Estero um regulations for lighting and it more or less agrees with this one foot candle as an average now the other question I was having and it was just thought process wise is for this particular location it will be typically two nights potential for lighting is there a time frame that the the city or town
itself requires that there not be lighting for the parking would it be you know is there a 9:00 curfew type thing for lighting of a parking lot that's not going to be used or is it lighted all night long I don't think there would be a need for lighting unless there was human activity there okay chief would you agree I'd have to agree with that there's no need for lighting if you don't have people there okay so and you're going to bother the neighbors
with that anyway so we don't want well and that's that's the other thing you know the five foot candles got to be a point where it may be that you're not allowed really to um shine it into your neighbor or out into the RightWay and that's where that could kind of come into effect so having said that is if we agree to the one foot candle average is that only in when it's in use or you know is is there somewhere that
it has to be stated that it's only when in use versus the entire time it's there you know I would think we would want to State it and I would say that it would be within I would say maybe an hour of the of the function whatever and to extend at least an hour after the function until basically everyone has gone but let's understand too we're looking at we're we're compromising here at one foot candle average throughout um let's don't get into the idea that wall packs
are going to do that corrects on that building which you referred to in the email they are not going to cover over in that parking lot where you're going to park those cars on the grass right you're going have to have stand up lights box we did have we did have that demonstrated on our plans that we would have additional Lighting in the parking area we just didn't have that specific number of foot candles along with the wall pack I I may have missed it because we had a little issue with trying to get me a copy I could read but um it looked to me like there was only one one
standard one one box like there are there two or three because well that's going to do it we have not gone through the lighting design yet okay because of this particular issue you know we might have to have five or six if it was fo five foot can so that's we wanted to get clarification on that number first okay before we went through the whole design for the the site I'm good with one average throughout okay okay thank you thank you average or
minimum I would say it's a minimum that OSHA says a minimum of one foot candle throughout but um I mean you you're always you have to take an average because you can't help it to have a little dark here a little lighter there but um but that would be a minimum yeah uh we one as a minimum totally you're saying one as a minimum
that's what OSHA says OSHA says not the average then minimum say um as such it is recommended that parking areas have lighting that maintains a minimum of one foot candles throughout to me that means average maintains a minimum means average throughout to me yeah yeah uh also also one more thing we found some information that a standard uh light pole uh can provide up to one to two yes so yeah I
think we can make it work okay great thank you so these are you know the conditions that are included in the packet that we reviewed at first reading the site plan is available if there's any questions we understand that these renderings here in Gray are what the property is really supposed to look like in terms of the finish and then these were prepared with
the the property the building shown in Brick to indicate a little bit more of what the site plan would actually look like flip through those kind of quickly on January 8th 2025 the local planning agency voted to forward this hearing to the Town Council with a recommendation of approval with the following change es to keep the canopy tree coverage requirement by meeting 100% of the requirements within the required buffer yard coordinate with staff regarding Future multi-use Path
coordinate with staff regarding Wastewater capacity and infrastructure concerns on January 13th 2025 the Town Council voted unanimously to approve this hearing on first reading with changes as follows to require canopy tree coverage but allow the canopy tree coverage to be located away from the vehicular use areas and require a lighting plan that demonstrates an average of 5ot candles across the parking lot um so my recommendation my
recommended motion came before we had further discussion on the lighting so my recommended motion would be to move to approve and adopt hearing number lptc 25.1 RZ ordinance number is as follows to require a minimum average of one foot
candle in parking areas throughout throughout parking areas um I made notes here as well about the one hour before and after did you want to include the timing as part of the motion yes please okay uh with lighting to be turned on
within one hour of the event and one hour after I think the word was use rather than event rather than what I'm sorry use use of the use of the parking lot if there's okay if that if that part of the building the extension or addition to the building is in use then the parking in the evening then the lighting would have to be on an hour
prior to and an hour after the function was to have ended and that means after Sunset because you don't during the day as well yes after because if you turn after Sunset yeah can I repeat that motion sure the changes would be as follows a minimum average of 1 foot candle throughout the parking areas within 1 hour before and after use of the building after Sunset yes thank
you so moved second all right we got a second we got a motion and second on that any other discussion saying n saying from the podium will'll take you to the audience saying none bring it back pull the
council council member warley yes council member Hayes yes council member Charles yes council member everard yes thank you thank you gentlemen thank you thank you I believe this is the time Miss Charles wanted to move up up the playground discussion and before we go any further uh most of you know that Dana is leaving
us uh we're in the process of the county stepping in to help cover her absence but that is taking a little bit longer than we thought it would uh so she has agreed to stay on for I think it was up to two more months correct to help us work through a lot of this stuff so she will be leaving but not quite as soon as as she thought she was so we we appreciate you we appreciate you coming
back and and helping us thank you very much for saying that I appreciate it agreed thank you all right so now we're going to 6d2 playground project consideration so I asked Charlotte to put this on the agenda uh the last meeting we were doing the capital Improvement The Five-Year
Capital Improvement plan referred to as CIP and I realized we didn't have anything in this current budget year for playground and just a little of the background is um Kevin had come to the May town meeting do you want a splash pad we can get a 200,000 fer Apper Grant or do you want a playground and we we you know we're told that the current playground equipment which we know is is is you know a little dilapidated so the Town Council agreed move forward with
that fap um Grant uh for 200,000 for playground equipment in Lake June Park this is Lake June Park and then the um July meeting Kevin gave us a conceptual approvement of some of the uh conceptual recommendation of some of the playground equipment and we're like yep keep going and then sadly we found out that you can't have two active grants for fur DAP in the same um when two open grants um from fap
and we already had the pickle ball fdap Grant which means we weren't able to go forward with the playground Grant and I guess didn't all realize we hadn't put that in the budget in any way and then last month on the CIP as I was studying I'm like well there's no playground until next year and the year after and I feel that that's something that's um a a gross oversight for the the children and the families due to thetion and so I wanted to bring it up to uh have a
discussion and um I even would like us to go forward whether we use infrastructure funds we we have a you know uh an infrastructure reserve of 2.4 million I think Rachel uh you can help me out on that a general fund Reserve so um that's what capital Improvement the C PS4 so that's why I wanted to bring this up I I feel that it's a great it's it's a unfortunate um misunderstanding we all
had but it is what it is but if we're I think you mentioned in March we're going to be getting design plans for pickle ball maybe April breakr ground I think it would be a disservice to the children and the families who told us as we went door Todo you know they want more um family activities and we're going to break ground for a half a million dollar pickle ball court sitting right next to dilapidated playground equipment so you know funds are out there it's something
we'd have to discuss and utilize that's why I put it on this month's agenda I mean I is there a preference of if we put so I I I'll make a motion I'd like to make make a motion that we move forward with allocating 200,000 for playground equipment in this year and so it would
need to be um Charlotte you have to help me out like a budget amendment for um using it from infrastructure or for general fund and do you have any idea is one better than the other Rachel do you want to talk about this topic we we have a motion but we don't have a second so we really can't discuss yet do we have a second to the motion so we can discuss that's entirely up to you I'm not going to Second
it I I could tell you why I I'm not going to Second it and and my point is I I certainly appreciate Miss Charles's uh heart for the children and and I understand that you found this one you did your door Todo and and you know I certainly appreciate that I think we should do it I don't I don't disagree with it at all but infrastructure funds are not for that infrastructure funds were created because we had uh we had
extra money and taxpayer money and we had people in the the the total uh of Lake pled community that kind of tightened their belts and allowed us to over a period of several years to get this infrastructure fund up to the level that is at and uh if we were going to discuss not doing the playgrounds at all uh okay that's a totally different story all we're doing is moving it to one more
year and I think it's very important that we keep in mind what infrastructure funds are for it's not just for children it's for the total benefit of all of the people in the town of Lake pla now we've already been told today that we looks like that FDA Grant may not come through we are in the process of building a Police Department for the total all of the people of the town of Lake plet um you know I I mean I really think that that should rise to the level a little
bit more than playground equipment in in the fact that we have playground equipment uh covered I mean we're going to do it just not right now we're going to do it and and not five years from now just next year and then we can get the fep grant that's what those grants are for I have no doubt that we could do that and we can do it in a timely manner just not this year so just clarification that playground equipment is eligible
under uh the infrastructure Reserve any fixed capital expenditure of our Capital outlay associated with construction reconstruction Improvement of public facilities that have a life expectancy of 5 years or more and it does include Parks and Recreation and playground so it's not that it's not in eligible I hear your point that you want an ear market for the police station no I just don't want to ear market for for the
playground equipment simply because and again not that I don't that that I don't want to do it that's not my point and I understand yes it's in there yes you can do it I don't think you should but yes you can okay but since we already have this plan for next year I don't see any reason why we can't hold that um um i' I've been by the playgrounds maybe there's nobody there because the equipment is so bad but I'm not seeing people in the playgrounds am I not seeing them there because equipment is
so bad they're there I talked to some today playing on it the children are on the playground on the slide which one um Council andom Hayes I'm talking about Lake June Park okay thank you that's what the recommendation it's not all the parks that's where the ball people come the children are playing on the playground equipment um I know it's hard for you to believe but I played there too I used to play baseball down softball down there so I I know that I'm
just want to make sure we're that we're you know talking about the same thing so okay I agree Lake June Park that's a good place but next year I can't most of most of you haven't been on the council as long as I have and Deborah has it took us a lot of years to get this Reserve fund up to where it is and I'm not against Parks I we need we do we need to upgrade our parks and we need to uh uh probably
build new ones but I don't think we should be taking our reserve and spending it on Parks when we can get grants and other Revenue areas to to help us pay for them uh it like I said it took us a long time to build that up it it it's it's very easy to spend it but once it's gone it's it's going to be a lot more difficult to get it back so uh I want to encourage you all before
you start spending the reserve to think about it very very carefully which is something we should be doing as a reserve adequacy analysis to see are we at the right level are we under are we not and I know we we haven't done that for a while so that's something there um but again to the point we did approve 200,000 for the pickle ball complex and that so we have uh been approving money for a specific topic and that um I mean
if somebody I'll advocate for the children and the families you know in a year from now three of you will be out campaigning if you so choose to reelect um to run for re-election um and you're going to get the same story that playground equipment out there is outdated what is there to do for the Youth and Family so there's it's not going to get done unless somebody's brave enough to put it on the table and U that's what I did if nobody wants to
make the second of the motion so be it I I don't I don't think that's the point I I don't disagree with doing it I just disagree with doing it now just next year just one year just where it's already planned like the pickle ball courts were planned long before you got on the council then we had to change change it we had to go over it again but now it seems like it's going to move move forward um at glacial speed but it's moving forward um and and the these
uh the $200,000 that we have allocated next year for the playground equipment I think it's Fant fantastic but it needs to be where it is next year that's all I'm just I'm just I'm I'm not disagreeing with you I'm disagreeing with your timeline that's all and yeah definitely the feedback from people was we need things for the children to do but I took it as more of a global thing for them to do uh activities and not just playground equipment we need a lot
of various things for the kids to do um my other question is is U I believe Lake June Park is going have a master plan developed sure yes yes and councilwoman whle I know has this on her agenda to discuss so it was um passed at the TDC board now obviously it still has to go before the board of County Commissioners to be approved but I don't I wouldn't think that there's anything that's going to hold that up so
yes ma'am to your question we are in the process of getting a master plan so I would like to table this for a while until we find out if the master plan is going forward you know whether we table for one month two months um and the grand scope of things I don't I think two or three months tabling was going to make a a world of difference and I do appreciate your compassion for the children but yes we're going to cover that soon and um
our staff did a great job of presenting um our plan for our Parks um I mean our TDC board was very impressed with with what they presented but all in all there is a master plan not just for our park but for in general all the parks so it's co cohesive and it it works together and I think Mr McCarthy while he was Town Administrator we have a we do have a new
playground it's not at the park but it's over in Serenity Village area we have a BL brand new playground there I think part of the problem is is that people won't know where our playgrounds are um I think we have that one we're still working on currently that's an ADA playground that I thought was supposed to be for the general public when the school was in in session by the JC's in the town and many multi people that was supposed to be shared so we're starting
to work on that so that ADA part could be available to the general public when the school's not in session and so um we there is a brand new park over at Serenity Village right now um Mr McCarthy could talk to that but also um at the meeting even though our staff did an incredible job including Dennis our engineer yes uh Miss Tyson uh you know
we we were all there but the idea is is that they're going to look not just at our park but all the parks so that we can make a a good plan planning is everything to make sure it's all cohesive and we get everything and the moving Parts in there so that's coming up soon but but um there is a brand new park we've been there yeah I'm aware of that but but recall the AI or the um
activity that um was shown a couple months ago of the volume of people that attend Lake June Park all the time not just during you know certain events all the time they attended for ball games they attended for picnicking they attended for boating but that park has the highest qu quantity of attendance and it always dilapidated playground equipment well that's probably how it
got dilapidated because it was used so much and and I you know it definitely is it's the most most used part as far as you know like I said I I used to play softball down there not as a child but as an adult and and you know the the age I was at at the time a lot of my colleagues on the on the on the uh on the team had had kids and they were you know they were playing on the playground equipment while we're while we're trying to play softball so you know I understand that for sure um and I I I just think that um we should definitely
address it I like that it's in the master plan that the TDC is doing and I also agree that we we got to have more things for the Youth to do than just uh playground equipment in a splash pad and how we go about that I think there's a lot of discussion to be had workshops to be had about how we can make more of that happen for youth um in in our in our town so all right we have a motion is there going to be a
second it didn't sound like it so I think the motion dies for a lack of second did you want to make a motion that we wait till we get the master plan or I or how you you don't need to do it don't need that don't need to no don't I don't think we need to do anything right at this moment just wait for it to come out okay but thank Miss Charles for our compassion for our children I think we all do I don't thinke that at all like like
Neil said we're not against the parts no and it it's just I think doing it the right way and waiting for the master plan to me sounds like the smartest thing to do okay all right where are we ahead just mayor if I may real quick just um as they're doing the master planning since we just found out as part
of this fap grant for Lake June Park we have to have a survey we have to have a survey of Lake June Park I would recommend if council's agreeable Town Administrator can probably authorize it without me speaking to this but that you go ahead and get a survey for your other two parks both Dow Hall which you just recently purchased for 300,000 out of the infrastructure fund and um the one on Spruce so that you had that and do the title search so that if you do
decide to apply for the fer app Grant in August that you're prepared and you have some of that information available so that you can move forward so that would just be a recommendation of mine that you go ahead and move forward with surveys on those other two partials so that you have that in preparation thank you I agree do we need a motion to do that because I would I would be in favor of that you good with that as Kevin said
we'll need that for us to be able to go out for it we found that out as we were going through the pickle ball process with the grant since it's out at Lake June Park so we don't need a motion I wouldn't anticipate that it's going to be any more than the late June part it should be substantially less I just wanted to bring that forward so yes it's something that within is within the town administrator's authority to do I just wanted to put that out there as it
the discussion triggered the thought process okay we're back on track 6d2 no we're on that one we are going to for okay do we have somebody also did you have a
comment my name is Rosemarie Heath I've been coming to these meetings for over two years now we need a playground in Lake June Park that playground is dangerous you've already had to take out pieces of that playground because it was so dangerous it's rusted I thank you for at least putting the mulch in to make it somewhat safe cuz you had 17 Ines of
jagged cement underneath the slides where the children could have fall and cracked their heads open we need parks for our children children are part of this of your citizens and we just keep ignoring what your citizens want want and need I mean pickable courts you can survive without pickable courts you can't really survive on a playground that's going to fall apart or
hurt someone when a child's playing on it I I don't understand why you keep ignoring the playground equipment that's so dangerous and used all the time there's children on it all the time I have 51 signatures I collected cuz we need that park for families and the citizens want that park for families not just Lake Placid citizens but uh in Lake plid but the county the state people from all over come and use that park for
boating and fishing and there's a playground there for the children to play and I cringe every time I see a young child on that playground they can cut their fingers now and and their hands on the Jagged rust that's everywhere on that equipment I'm begging you someone's
going to get hurt and I've come to you several times now this is negligence it's someone's going to get hurt and no one listens and those 501 signatures most of them came from people using that Park and I have them right here they're all here 501 they're all valid there's phone numbers that goes we we've been through
that we're not bringing that up again so no I'm just saying the playround need to be fixed all right we appreciate your comments did we not I thought we put molch down there because she she mentioned it sometime ago and didn't we put mulch down did we not put mulch down there okay okay okay took care of the mulch took care of the ants we had a we had a professional go down and and look at that everything that was brought up as
far as I know was taken care of okay Marlene bargar Lake plet yes we have been talking about the park the park the park a lot but if you don't want to do something for a month or so or have real much time but coling is correct at least go down and look at the equipment the children are playing on maybe they ought to get technis shots so they don't get cut on the rust and you could have one
of people go down and sand blast it and repaint it to at least make it safe it is not safe now I have pictures of it that I would be more than happy to share with all of you it's the rust on it John it is important that our kids be safe if they play there so we should at least make a motion I would suggest somebody make the motion to go down and sand blast the metal on the the playground that's there and
paint it so it's safe for children I was just going to say that sometimes with playgrounds it's not that simple we would have to be able to look at it in my experience with playgrounds depending on how old they are um even if you pressure wash it it may not necessarily um make it change if anything it's probably going to bring more things to the surface that wasn't visible in past some of the other concerns um are that I don't think that we can paint I mean there's a lot of
different things that you have to go into you have to be able to look at the playground itself and then determine that based off of the manufacturer so there's a a lot involved I mean I appreciate her comments and just I want everybody here to be aware that there's a lot more involved than just us going down and doing something that we might would typically do if it was our home um playground equipment it's totally different when you get into commercial and then also I mean I don't know if any of you gentlemen want to add to that but just in my experience with playground so can we at
least have staff go look to see what could we do to recondition the current playground equipment because I I have down there there are there is rust the paint is peeling in spots and it's rust and you're grabbing your hand and and um and so there's things that could be possibly repaired I don't know I mean I would leave it to staffs to just maybe do an assessment of the current
equipment and what could be done okay I'll go ahead and direct staff to do that and report back to us as uh as soon as you can okay and then I was down there today and there are quite a bit of ant hills maybe they're not right up against the playground but they're all around I mean we count of 20 some you know small big and whatever over by the playground so I know it's you you poison them here and they move over there and then you poison them and they move back
and I get it but there is a lot of areas um just the condition of that grass overall but um that just kind of needs to look at quick comment Gilbert Randle Lake plid um the growth of the parks is wonderful uh we've talked about the growth of landscaping the growth of the town in general and annexing in new areas our carts getting pretty big the one thing that I haven't heard recommended or brought up or discussed is getting a couple more horses to pull
our cart the one of the reasons that the Lake June Park is in the condition it is is a lack of Staffing that Park could use a full-time 40-hour employee dedicated just to that Park and that person could probably use it assisted as well and if we're going to continue to grow and add and beautify let's look at the maintenance aspect of all these projects first let's don't put it in spend all of our money and go boy I wish we could take care of what we have let's
get some Staffing in place and that's going to help our growth it's going to help our beautification uh that probably could have gotten another five or 10 years out of that playground equipment if there was someone there to constantly maintain and look after this you you're you're asking of your staff more and more and more and and to go on what Margaret said you have a fantastic staff here in this town you're going to stack so many bricks on their back they're going to go away one day so you're talking about 200,000 for playground equipment we're talking about money for this let's find
some money to expand our staff and be able to take care of what we already have before it all becomes dilapidated thank you thank you Gibby and we're already doing that but not only in that area but other areas also it's uh I mean we're growing we got growing pains and we're just we're we're trying to work through them as as best we can it's just going to take time and money
okay you want to say something all right quickly we got to move on just a I think it's very cold in here I'm sorry can anybody turn the heat up or turn the air conditioning down I think everybody's starting to freeze thank you de breathing it is we need this in August I'm I'm concerned really about
the exposure to Children here there's there's an attractive nuisance there eventually this could turn into a liability issue and I hope you put some kind of acceleration on taking care of it it has to be a priority I don't get to make the decisions but I hope you can thank you all right any other
comments and we'll address those issues and TR we'll get back with some answers for everybody as as uh as quickly as we can all right next is ordinance number 2025 D2 and ordinance of Town Lake PL of Florida modifying the 5-year Capital Improvement schedule of the town of Lake blid 2030 comprehensive plan providing for severability providing for coni conflict and providing for an effective
date thank you this cursor is uh really taking its time waking up today there we go okay my name is Dana Adell I'm the town planner for the town of Lake Placid for the record as noted this agenda item is in reference to the capital Improvement
schedule to the town of Lake Placid this particular ordinance modifies the 5-year Capital Improvement schedule for for fiscal year 2425 through 2829 it's located within the Capital Improvements element of the town's comprehensive plan and by for statute this is not considered a comprehensive plan Amendment however this does satisfy the fora statute requirement for the annual review of the capital Improvement
schedule and it identifies funding timing and priority for listed projects and ensures adopted level of services are achieved and maintained adopted by reference pursuant to our local Land Development regul um our local comprehensive plan the school board of Highlands County District 5-year work plan has been included uh I did a little bit more digging and confirmed that we don't regulate how the school board spends their money
and including this is just a tool for us to keep in our pocket for us to know what's going on uh we don't amend our budget based on their five-year work plan on January 6 2025 the local planning agency voted unanimously to recommend to the Town Council that they adopt ordinance 20252 modifying the 5-year Capital Improvement schedule of the town of Lake placid's comprehensive plan and on
January 13 2025 the Town Council voted unanimously to approve ordinance 20252 lptc 25.2 CIS with changes as follows to remove the additional car for the Lake plid Police Department move the Public Works complex to the years 2728 and breakout expenses to the utility and general fund remove the street sweeper and add the splash pad and dog park for
the same year as the playground equipment currently slated in the CIP I made those changes they were included in your package um I'm here for any questions but I will turn it back over to the mayor the motion options are on the screen as well as my recommended motion can I just make a couple questions
um under the um sanitation where it says to purchase two garbage trucks um actually what is it again that's that's an Enterprise shouldn't that come from the sanitation Enterprise versus general fund and the same comment is later on the pavement extension for the semetery it's coming from general fund um understanding of
all Enterprises are supposed to be self-funded so any Capital should be coming from them because you're going to be charging Revenue over time to revamp it Rachel would you like to make a comment I think what Dana did was put something temporary there but every year at the budget we come back and we kind of re
reallocate from the correct funds so sanitation will come out of Sanitation or however you guys approve that it comes out of U Reserve account or what have you but other than that it is stay within the fund so so for this schedule that we're submitting we should change the funding source to those reserves not the general fund for the Enterprise the four Enterprise units well you can leave it like you can adopt as is but every year we revisit
those on the on an annual basis but you're saying sanitation should fund sanitation expenditures correct correct I wouldn't leave it like it is I would change change it to sanitation like the same that we have for for utility and waste water Etc we can certainly change them
um I mean don't we have to change it it's it's inaccurate saying no I said we can change them yeah okay can so Dana would that be approv as is with the changes how that works that would be number two um I'm sorry I honestly
don't follow I don't know which funds are you know I I'm just looking at the fiveyear schedule right no I understand you're saying that there's other funds that aren't included and I'm this is a spreadsheet that's that gets sent out to staff we put it together and I bring it to to Town Council so the technicalities of which funds so are you saying there's a cemetery fund and a sanitation fund I'm not yeah there's four Enterprises we
have Wastewater Water Sanitation and Cemetery those are four Enterprises so Capital expenditures for those should be funded out of those four Enterprises of which you have mostly there's just a couple um the pave you know Paving and the cemetery needs to come under cemeter not general fund Dana for the sake of um having new council members and then you also brought me up to speed on the way this process works would you mind elaborating
on that just a little bit so that they can see how the town planner got pulled into this part of the budget and CIP yes so um if Town Council isn't aware of my history with the town of lake plid and the history of planning in the town of Lake plid I was the town planner um probably back in 2016 and 2017 I would say I was working toward
being the town planner for about two years I I'm not going to say exact years um and then I went off to the central fla Regional planning Council during that time Melanie col pepper was the town planner and then of course I've been back as Town planner for the last two years so my knowledge and history of how the capital Improvement plan works is we historically when I was on staff at the Highlands County Board of County Commissioners would there were kind of two ways that we did it the first year
that I was doing it um we took the budget and we inserted everything that was a capital Improvement into a spreadsheet and we there was nothing it was literally for that fiscal year and then every year after that showed zero planning into the future so it was Zero after that and every fiscal year after that um Melanie and I worked with staff
at one point that we would all get together and have a meeting because we understood that maybe we weren't getting the full picture of planning out into the future for Capital expenditures um at that point we got a little bit more information in detail as to what might be coming in future years I left to go work for the region and at that time Melanie would meet she would have a meeting with staff every year and again it was like a plug andplay and it was all based off of what was budgeted that year so it was
budgeted and then uh inserted into the capital Improvement plan when I came on board I understood that we needed to plan further out into the future we we do need to take our Capital Improvement plan seriously we need to understand what the needs of the town R and I began uh the last year I well I actually had to I've done three cips since I've been here because we were behind when I came back um so the first time I sat with
staff and I got with each staff individually and I really started to impress upon them the importance of planning out into the future and how uh you know I would tell them tell me what is your wish list you know like even if it's not approved by Council we can go to them we can ask for it we can um start really preparing for what is to come and staff jumped on board and they planned they started you know adding
things that would have us think further out uh so and the reason I'm involved is because we're fulfilling a fora statute requirement that involves our comprehensive plan so as much as this is motivated by financial side of things this is a planning tool that we use to figure out whether or not we have our adopted levels of service ultimately to be quite Frank we are
missing many inventories and many items that we need in order to accurately assess if we have and are meeting our levels of service so this was one of the first tools that I could really get to work on and and start understanding what was missing and and what we needed to do um so the way that it had it it ended up working this year was we
wanted under Kevin's leadership he did want us to do the capital Improvement plan at the time of budgeting maybe not adopt it because it has to be adopted during the calendar year but at least work on it and so that wasn't an initiative that we all wanted to do but due to short short staffing and some you know internal issues we we couldn't reach that goal so what we did this year was I took the capital Improvement plans from
previous years I scooted everything one year forward and we uh I had our finance department coordinate with the various directors to determine I think to pull out of the budget what's been budgeted but but also to determine next steps and and what else to add um so yes I understand there's a question coming up this year as to you know why is Dana the one driving this ship and no
I don't have a a financial mind and this is not my area of expertise uh but it is a tool that we need to use so it's a collaborative effort between all the directors and myself and so if I'm unaware of our different funding sources I do apologize um but this is something that we can certainly address thank you
Dana it's it's the spreadsheets wonderful you know planning out for the future the the problem is is it look is like let's let's talk about the payment for the cemetery okay there's um a block here that says cemetery and it's Mo leum that's coming out of cemetery funds the next line item under cemetery is payment extension and that's coming out of town General funds what she's trying to get
at is shouldn't that just the same as a ma Liam becoming out of the cemetery fund yeah that makes perfect sense to me so and some and also for the the sanitation same Theory yeah absolutely so we can take another look at that are those the only two that you noticed or do you have other specifics the other big one of course is the public works for 1.5 million we
touched on it before because it was the first time it ever appeared um and then it looks like a million's going to come from general fund is that what I'm if I read this right it's been changed to be a million5 for a public works complex of which a million comes from general fund in 2728 I mean again Public Works and I think there was a discussion oh that's going to be shared between you know some Town
equipment and others um maybe the allocation is good maybe it's not it's just I again last month 1.5 million complex hit me cold don't know where the numbers are coming for don't know where the needs are are and then the distribution um because at the end of the day that that's a lot of money coming from the Town Fund reserves that we just talked about earlier we spent years and years
and years to build them up and now we're talking about we may not have enough for the police department to get a loan so we may need a million dollars from one of our reserves and now we need to build a public works department and we need to get you know a million and a half but 500 from the public works a million so so that one hit me cold Police Department I get it we've been talking about it and the need for it the other I don't know enough about the need for it and I don't know if it's one of those things that has to go on now because
it's in the out years and then we have time during this budget cycle to learn more about it the need you know and then the right division is is kind of where I am is that one I don't know enough to approve it and that's a large sum of money that I would be saying boy do we have enough to afford it Kevin can I if I can elaborate on the uh fiveyear plan so the important part the only thing you're truly concerned
about is what you're funding in this current year budget or next year's budget when you get into the budget workshops because nothing is approved until you approve you you only work on a one-year budget you don't work on a five-year budget dot works on a 5-year budget so what you approve is actually getting funded in year five the town works on a one-year budget everything else is simply a plan what you may do in the future you're not locking in anything it doesn't really matter if you have to have a funding source it's really not critical to any
point of it whether you have general fund or where you listed everything there is a general fund yes it's inaccurate as far as where you anticipate that you're going to spend that simple fix to put Cemetery fund um whatever the Enterprise fund is where they do come into play is if you're going out for grant funding for any of those projects because one of the things they ask is it on your Capital Improvement plan so if you don't have an anticipated project on your Capital Improvement plan they're going to come back and you're going to be what we
would typically do if we have a funding source or something and we come back and we have a special meeting we modify our Capital Improvement plan but it is just you're not committing to anything other than this current year because we only work on a one-year budget everything else is not a critical item you're not approving us to go build a public works complex next year because we haven't worked on next year's budget we won't start that until May or June so it's a planning tool that's what it is you're not committing to anything except what
you approve in next year's budget everything else is just if you have it in there when Dana talks about a wish list it gives you an opportunity to pursue grants they all ask if it's on your Capital Improvement plan if it's not then that's going to you're going to ding you and just going to have to get it in the capital Improvement plan in order to do it it so it's not a the council is not approving anything because we only work on a one-year budget so the only thing you approve is what you approve in September to spend
for the next year that's helpful thank you yeah and I think too we we talked about um a public works complex I hate what I'm even going to say but with Public Works complex um in coordination with the fire department and what they may do and when when they vacate the station that they have downtown that maybe that would work for public works or could be you know so that's kind of in the back of our mind too but as you said Kevin let's we put it on The Five-Year Plan so we kind of
don't forget it and so it's on there so that we can um reference grants and things like that I I think it all ties into your master planning process and as the new counil as I was going back and researching we were talking about um the CIP and where we were funding the police station at and actually it wasn't me it was the previous Town Administrator that first brought up the Public Works complex it was in 2023 talked about it in June in the June
meeting in 2023 about the Public Works complex it did not make the CIP I didn't put it on the CIP I did throw it in this year again it's to get on there Council may say no and next year move it out move it out move it out you it's a one-year funding budget so so it's not a critical item but that was the first time was 2023 that again wasn't it was my predecessor that was doing that and talking to the Town Council um in June of 2023 so you're a
new Council two new council members three new council members to some extent um so you didn't hear about part of that conversation that is a I'll say a somewhat educated wild ass guess um on a $1.5 million project that was a number I threw in there we did no engineering studies on it I have built a number of buildings in my career including a public works
complex at the town of Clon however that was 15 years ago no longer than that 18 years ago built votch buildings steel buildings for the Henry County school board so if you decide that you're going to build a entire Public Works complex and put roads in that doesn't include roads so if you want to develop this partial behind us that's not going to anywhere near reach all of it because you'll spend a million dollars depending on what you're putting on roads if you want to go out to St John's or if you're just going to
tie into the parking lot here and you master plan some of that you won't know but it ties into what you need to discuss and keep in mind as you work on a master plan moving forward thank you Kevin So based on based on all that it's still kind of up in the air if we use the old fire station or not and how much it'll cost and everything like that so as an
alternate just to pull it for now to allow us through our Master planning to get more information and then next time we do the CI because it just got put on this year so it's rather than put on we find out more we find out how much it would be where it would be what's happening with the fire station some of the other Master planning we do and and then more important how we would fund it right because again I look at a million and a half with a million coming from the general fund I kind of go okay
that's back to the contradicting the conversation before of depleting the whole general fund you know or over half of it that we built up so I would be more in favor because I don't know a lot about this and I'd like to know more and the numbers and what alternates there are to pull it from this CIP but then continue the discussion and and and get that maybe it's a presentation on what it is where it will be and what it will
be for that's just my my that's my last comment on on this other words I was good with everything else on the CIP well so I would say leave it on as a placeholder kind of a so we don't doesn't drop off the radar and it's not critical because it may moved out how many years so just it's just a placeholder great yeah we we need to we need to leave it on I I agree with I I agree
with your concerns M Charles but I think we need to leave it on and out there where it is 2728 and just continue to push it out if we need to do that because I don't want to take it out and then put it back in it just it just doesn't look right to do that it's not going to hurt us been in 2728 Also to clarify um the numbers that I heard earlier I don't know they were different than what I put
in the capital Improvement plan so I called Kevin and I asked because we're talking about splitting it between these two funds originally it was all under the town general fund and as part of the motion from first reading it was asked to be split out how it would be split and currently my understanding is the Public Works building is used onethird of it is used
by utilities so that's how I came up with this split onethird of the Public Works complex this number 495,000 would come from the Utility Fund but also to Circle back are all these categories here where it says Town general fund are those what you are saying should be switched to sanitation fund right yeah anything under sanitation should be funded by the
sanitation Enterprise the same with um the cemetery and then up above Central Wastewater and water those are the four Town Enterprise funds the loans is fine grants is fine that it's just can't be those Enterprises can't be funded out a general fund so I guess I'm confused about what
Utility Fund is if we have a Wastewater fund and a water fund and I'm showing Utility Fund is that like the umbrella Kevin for water and wastewater yes you just say utility funds in our budget in our budget we have a total Utility Fund but we actually have separate Waste Water and Wastewater Reserve funds and then we have Capital Improvement funds but they're all utility funds and they can't be intermingled the
water and waste water water and wastewater absolutely can they're part of the same Enterprise so you can just put for anything on water and wastewater you can put utility funds and that's fine it's the although the town has histor has bought because there have been no reserves in the garbage fund the town has bought garbage trucks I believe out of general fund certainly out of the OPA funds it was out of oper um the general fund never bought a garbage truck it was out of opa funds oh just
arpa funds ARA funds I'm sorry so part of this is identifying issues so and I almost think I remember there being a conversation when we raised the rates for certain sanitation basically that we weren't even breaking even at one point with our commercial collections okay Allan says yes so right now do we not have enough funds in our sanitation fund to cover okay so that's why it says Town general fund and I
understand so it should say sanitation but we're identifying right now that we do not have the level of service in our sanitation funds to meet the demands of these purchases yeah so that's a problem it's it's a if I may yes it's a longterm you rais garbage rates last year so you build up the fund and if you were doing it it should still come out
the payback even if you were to borrow out of the general fund because you have a large Reserve then it's a loan from the garbage fund to pay back the general fund I'm just saying a hypothetical that you can do but those should say Enterprise funds garbage fund so that should come out of the sanitation fund and it's a simple thing to address those funds as there again nothing is spent without Council approval for that budget year everything else you're
correct it does there's no harm and foul in putting those numbers out there or what those numbers are because the council's going to determine on a year-by-year basis exactly what those are before we get to them and every year you're going to vote on a capital Improvement plan and you're going to say that we may never build it and every year you're going to push it out and push it out and push it out it's the council has all of the authority the town staff has none and you approve that on a
year-to-year basis when you on the things you are going to fund that year so if you're looking for a question for the motion you simply say modify garbage so they are sanitation funds utility for utility funds Cemetery for Cemetery funds and you can move forward on the complex on the capital Improvement plan and that's with the understanding that really the focus is year one and
the others you don't have to have funding sources planned we can just put anything out there and continue to move it around that just seems odd to me but is that what you're saying no that's not what I'm saying year one through five are expected to be financially feasible okay expected to be not required very different words on what you're trying to do so can you fund a utilities bill or a public works
complex in year three you can are you going to do it out of reserves or you going to borrow money and do it out of a 30-year loan that's the whole discussion about the PE Police Department can we do it out of reserves absolutely we can however we're trying to do it on a USDA loan and not use those reserves and then you would have those reserves available to do something else like Parks or a public works complex or whatever the council chooses to do at the time so they are expected
to be or supposed to be financially feasible are they required to be you don't plan five years out you don't budget five years out so what's going to happen in year three are you going to have another million and a half dollars sitting there possibly you said you have a $2.4 million fund so if you get the USDA loan and it actually comes through then the money is still there and it's available if you don't get it then you've spent it and you're going to need to push that out right now your plan is
to get a USDA loan to pay for the police department that's today's plan this is what you're adopting is your plan today it will leave your 2.4 million in the infrastructure fund so can you financially feasible fund what's on that list the answer is yes today what happened happens next year is next year's decision based on what you have next year this is just a plan it doesn't tie you to anything other than what you approved in the budget September 30th 28 whatever that date was it's the only thing you're tied to and
you're not even tied to that because you still have to come back and approve all the projects of any substance over $10,000 basically and you approve all of those so even though you have passed a budget that's 40 something million dollars you still approve all of that so can I make a motion that we approve this with the minor modifications of moving the U Want me to bring that back
the C the cemetery and the um uh sanitation to the proper Enterprise zones Enterprises thank you okay we have a motion a second any further discussion I hearing none take it to the audience
yes p v 12373 Lost Lake Drive Lake plid um I know that Dana stated that this Council doesn't really have input in the fiveyear work plan for the school board but I think I need for y'all to understand the bigger picture what's happened in Lake Placid um so you have in your packet today the 2024 2025 work plan voted on by the school board on January
21st um I'd like to point out a few things so they voted on the 21st three days later the superintendent Longshore went to the Lake Plaza Middle School Friday afternoon and announced to the teachers that the high school and the middle school were consolidating so the school board did not vote on the consolidation they haven't heard anything there's no packets um there's nothing um also in their this work uh
plan that you have before you tonight um there is a $75 million new votc school that has not been approved or even brought up before the school board um and with both of these items newspaper articles uh were published um but uh and it alluded to school board approval but that's not the case um also I'm trying not to go on a tangent but cing preas
Center is being shut down after three years um and in its place will be the academy that's for out of uh School suspensions so you're shutting down a Pre Center and putting in the academy which is a school for Behavior issu and going to have the highlands virtual school there um you've got two new Elementary School wings for $8 million a piece one of which is in Lake Plaza Lake Country Elementary um that is included in this
work plan um I'm going back to the Lake clet High School and Lake clet Middle School merger no teacher input no Schoolboard input no Community input um I attended the last last school board meeting which was February 4th they are now scheduling a February 25th Workshop in Lake Plaza to discuss this uh uh merger de seit Community input um
but you youall should know that as of today the principal for principal for the Lake plet High School is also the principal for the Lake plet Middle School and um and for those that don't know the last time the lake pla Middle School principal was transferred mid year to help out another crisis school this Council wrote a town resolution it was in April 2023 and here are some comments from the newspaper article in a rare move that Lake pla Town Council is asking the
Highland County School District to immediately mitigate the loss of what parents and teachers are calling highly effective administrators at Lake pla Middle School the council which does not have a say in a County Education or curriculum curriculum matters approved a resolution that asks the school district to provide high quality Replacements and urges the district to provide Equitable long-term educational opportunities and management for the students of the
greater Lake clet Area the resolution which respectfully opposes the administrator's transfer calls the move detrimental to the educational opportunities of Lake CLA middle school students council members admitted they had no say over District administration but wanted the community to know that they are behind the parents students and teachers teachers efforts to Halt the transition that transition happened um we've had six
principles in the last 10 years at Lake pla Middle School uh so that there's a instability not just for the teachers the parents the students the community is affected as well um Congress or not Congress councilwoman Charles you're big on budgets and looking at different things and we've been talking about the grants from the
state and federal level Highland County School Board the district office until last year never requested one Grant State grant grant Federal grant uh Pico funds okobe got 66 million lael's getting a a new High School doodo Glades County got 17 million multiple different grants Holland County doesn't ask therefore we don't receive um so as taxpayers I know you're on this issue right now this is Lake plaid you also pay we pay taxes for
schools um public enrollment in our County schools and probably in most part across the state is the enrollment is going down um what's my ask for this Council today ask questions to Local School board members and District staff fact check those answers from The District staff Lake Plass Community deserves better again February 25th is a workshop um meeting where hopefully the
public can be heard thank you thank you very much N More bring it back poll the council council member Everhart yes yes council member warley yes council member Hayes yes council member Charles yes
Bas yes based on the conversation that this can be amended and uh we have the funding in place to be able to to do this okay thank you thank you next will be 4C truck food solicitors pedlers temporary
ordinance where is it oh there I just did food truck solicitors pedals temporary ordinance that's the agenda item that's the agenda item that's I see oh okay there no down attachment
no proposed ordinance other moratorium ordinances I still don't see anything oh there it is okay and ordinance number 20253 an ordinance of town of Lake pled repealing and reserving sections 117-121 of the code of town of Lake pla Florida ordaining section 117-2013
last month we discussed at length mobile food trucks and a moratorium I took the vote as
instruction to bring back a moratorium the moratorium is required to be done by ordinance which is two readings uh tonight being the first uh and uh a month from now being the second so it remains in in fact until an ordinance is adopted changing the existing ordinance you have this ordinance that I prepared uh based on discussions with the chief and uh
councilwoman Ard it is beyond a mere moratorium on where of food truck Parks because when we looked in this code chapter there were things that many things a lot if not all that were in my opinion um outdated um if we can walk through it if
you don't mind you scroll up that's recites your Authority Under the constitution in Florida statute to ordain keep going if you will to the red lines where we start striking stuff um or blue line as the case may be the first part was pedlers the second part is solicitors talk to the chief to say gee do we have a problem with doodo sales
now please come up and correct me Chief if I misake um and our Collective thought is no we really haven't if you will scroll on you will see we have been our code requires a $25 license to go door too um we I don't think we've done that in a very very long time that I know of um and we have in place state law that
would take care of the doortodoor element of this and that's called No Trespassing um all this does is say if you put up a sign no soliciting no pedaling stop somewhere there then our police officer is entitled to come at your request and tell folks to leave well you can also do that under the no trespass statute so my
recommendation is while you're doing the adjustment on more on the food truck let's get rid of these that we absolutely do not need do not use in favor of the existing state law if you'd keep scrolling um that's your I believe the permit dollars keep going if you would that's the permit application criteria we've
got a bunch of criteria that we looked at again we don't as a community use this you can't give false information when you're applying um keep going if you will we can revoke permits that we don't issue U we have exceptions stop right there a moment if you would and that's where you have the Girl Scout Boy Scout exceptions
everything that um is nice you don't require a pedaler's permit we don't need an exception to a rule we don't use um keep going if you would now we get into the sale of prepared food and drink to put a moratorium into effect on issues with food trucks you need to amend keep going if you will the food
truck portion of this we we don't do credentials um roadside pedaling that's kind of a different issue that's the one where you're parked in vacant lot or more or something like that to set up your sales operation if you're doing that to me you should you're now competing with a brick and mortar you require Bri brick and
mortar to have paved parking um the permit to drive off of so you don't tear up our road um and you have the proper zoning you will see I while I took out roadside pedaling here put it back in below and says so long as you comply with your current zoning um and you have the other requirements of any other commercial you can set up and do
um here is where it says you can't stop Etc keep on rolling if you would getting rid of that keep going the violations now here's the part that keep going I want to talk about 1722 to me we have two issues the mobile
facilities which can park either on public or private property so we take mobile and deal with them in both directions then we have temporary structures such as the tents that would set that set up this past weekend is part of the Chamber of Commerce which we would I think want to permit um when you get into public so those are the two definitions that I created going to
section uh 1723 mobile facilities sales on private property let's scroll up and keep looking at that that says you got to have these things met stop right there the then existing zoning must allow uh for retail sales on the subject property or the property owner obtains the special exception
um and adequate dedicated public parking I this is one that you may or may not agree with but to me it would be uh wrong to and this is that is a polic statement not a legal statement I'll admit to require a restaurant to have certain parking and not make the same requirement of a food truck now that
doesn't necessarily mean private parking a lot of our restaurants park on the right of way so if you've got dedicated right of way parking that too would suffice um in other words if on Main Street there is a vacant uh lot where a building used to be or is not and you have parking spaces in front of that that exist good to go but just not pulling off the road
willy-nilly where there is no apron if you allow people to drive off the road without an apron you've seen that movie several times in this building before because that begins to break up our road at that location and it puts people out on a grass surface which we don't allow anybody else to do so I would think you would apply the same rule um driveway permit and apron addressed in uh B if they want to convert a vacant lot
into that gives you the direction on how to do it and then safety this is one that um Chief and I spoke at length about um and and we open up later on on where food trucks can park but we're saying if an unsafe condition is created and keep in mind please this is int intended to be a temporary ordinance I should have
stressed that up front the objective is to put something in place that allows you to do what you were trying to do I was trying to follow your discussion from last month as to options you wanted to consider so so that while Jennifer cot Salsbury works on our ordinance that gets everybody's input and all the public hearings will come back with a more perfect ordinance this is not in I
I know that I am not going to at the first blush write a perfect ordinance but this is a get by ordinance best I could do on a short term to get to where you wanted which was fix what we have right now that works because it's not keeping going safety um sometimes food truck May Park where it's not appropriate be it even if it meets the this is a kind of the catch on
net even if they Park in a spot that the or this ordinance says okay they can park there if it creates a traffic problem if it backs up traffic if Chief decides that ain't right he can go say look you got to move now I don't put in here to me if if our chief of police determines this is creating a safety issue that's not a debate we're going to have there on Main Street he says move
they have to move or else he will issue the warning and a $500 fine I don't think and keep issuing that fine I don't think that's a debatable issue when Public Safety is at risk we then go down into 172 24 um and we talk about sales on public property I tried to get the lwh hanging fruit uh easily the things that we have allowed in the past that you seem comfortable with at least past councils
have um and put in to this the the obvious devain Circle Park around daine Circle there's plenty of room I put in park on the outside of the sidewalk and inside of the driveway where the people are served from the sidewalk side now Mr chamber you may want to stand up and say time out a minute we really want our food trucks inside the
sidewalk just as one of the folks involved with getting the gr and developing Dain Circle I our intent back then was to keep the vehicles outside of the sidewalk if you think that's a problem say so my level of care has come down dramatically it's not going to matter to do it every now and then but I let that you can see the way I have crafted to keep it on the outside of the
sidewalk Stuart Park to allow on the public streets along streets along around and contiguous serving customers from the sidewalk side only and that would include more or less parallel parking in in more than one space that's an area I don't think we really you you don't have a big problem with parking today you may in the future but again this is a temporary ordinance um this is the debatable one I
I put it in for your consideration um frankly I've heard so much about food trucks I wanted to give you the broadest discretion possible this does not mean you have to take it you can say strike three um but that is intended to say you can take any two parking spaces and put the food truck on the line between the two parking spaces so you've got room on
both sides of the food truck you may not like that idea you don't don't hurt my feeling one bit taking that one out but that would open up the entire Community we've got an exception for a 500 ft from any dedicated restaurant um not within 500t of a dedicated restaurant but basically put them where they want I put that in for another reason this in my opinion is designed to open
up the use of food trucks relatively safely that won't damage anything allows the public to see and try and do so that six months from now when you have the more perfect ordinance we will know what evil we need to fix and and prohibit right now I don't other quite frankly other than the one that comes so often and parks in an intersection which I think is
wrong for a multitude of reasons I'll let Chief address that law if you want to I don't see a problem with food trucks people seem to like them and and that's our job to make it work it's my effort if You' go to the next page please loading zones here's where we talk about any loading zone but it's got to be big enough loading zone um and I
said designated by the council or the town so somebody just can't come out and paint out a local a loading zone and call it a food truck Zone but they could go to the two spaces right next door to it and park if it's two spaces so it really this gives folks a lot of latitude mobile facilities don't go within 500 ft of any building um which is a permanent restaurant
without the consent of the restaurant owner I think that was discussed last time okay operating conditions of food trucks um noise not supposed to use compressors or generators I I think I heard y'all say that last time I don't understand how they can operate without compressors or generators but I don't know I think I've used a food truck maybe once in my life so I put in what you guys talked about hours of operation
pick some don't care what you got in mind I don't know their routine use um heard some comment about don't let them come in and park here overnight which to me that's that uh goes hand in hand seven and eight together trash are garbage we expect them to pick up their own and bring their own trash cans that's shouldn't be our town problem um then go to C if you scroll up a bit
please don't go in any public park except as we've already said that's to keep them out of for example steart park park on the sides same thing we described in uh the other and certainly our new park on Dal Hall the following
is as Chief made the point good catch uh stay out of a handicap space um that also needs to be I think that needs to be expanded to say out of the handicap space and the hatched area that's supposed to be next to the handicap space temporary structures on public property um this tried to codify what we've been
doing if you don't like it you don't hurt my feelings I was trying to catch what we've been doing Dana takes the position where are you Dana that this really needs to go through further vetting with all of the development heads and department heads I get it she's right in a perfect world I will acknowledge that I was trying to follow your lead of saying fix this now while we study it and and then go to the
perfect ordinance so I would invite any department heads shoot at me go ahead next I'll rest my mouth and stand for questions I thought I thought and and helped me out with we approved to do a motorum while we studied it and now we're doing an ordinance so I'm and I'm fine with that I just like I'm confused with when I walked away I thought we were going to
then kind of get some feedback and do you know as part of the Jennifer thing so that's you know that's kind of where I am how we went from the motorum to here's a resolution I should not have well this sounds we jumped the gun say it like that I should not have let you do in the microphone we jumped the gun we should not have done what we did technically cannot you can't do a moratorium before you do an ordinance you cannot vote to
simply not enforce an ordinance you have to amend the ordinance that's the next documents are how other municipalities have implemented moratorium given that vote was not a lawful moratorium IED given that vote was not a thank you a lawful moratorium my effort was to bring you back what would work okay it hasn't been to LPA no question but this is not a zoning ordinance it does not have to
go to LPA no requirement use as much or as little as you'd like and remember this is like a quick fix um after we get the uh input from the central Florida planning probably be tweaked and improved and we'll also then have um lifetime experience in the interim yes um I confirmed with Jennifer Cotto Salsbury and she said if we began this process then ideally because they'll be having the the first Workshop
next week then we could schedule for the workshop to be focused on this topic for the following one so she has said to concur with you yes and and this is not adopted tonight uh so you've got plenty of time over over the coming month to study consider reconsider um before next meeting and and certainly um talk to the public in the chamber and everyone else so my comments are liability to the
town right uh because we're now pursuing the ability for them to park on rways Parking Spot different things so how do we ensure the adequate insurance for the town I mean because they don't get a permit right they can just come in and now they can pull into two parking spots and park or pull into a loading zone and start selling so is I thought what you wanted
no no my but my question is how do we ensure that food truck or mobile um vehicle has property in proper insurance and US included as an insured we have our own coverage I believe that would affect this but but we're now changing ordinance to allow a food truck to park
on Town property yes we are just like we let other vehicles Park on Town property now but they aren't a propane I mean again the worst case you know whether it ranges from food poisoning which may be nothing for us to somebody's injured you know propane explodes let's look at Town property
let's do this why don't we add that provision and we're you're going down the permit requirement this has nothing to do with permits they could just pull in and park if I may interject here here first come first serve um the food trucks are supposed to be permitted by the state part of that permitting does include their insurance and to ensure that they are operating within all the requirements required of of restaurant out there therefore for them to operate like that and have the
license they have to prove all that to the state we can ask to see their license to ensure that they are licensed as a food truck to ensure that they have their insurance can be a person who gets a a vehicle license right then they drop their insurance I I just that is a possibility but my comfort would be that the town is protected because they have adequate Insurance because we're now allowing them to park on our property which we've
been doing which is why we're addressing this yes well I'll be glad to I cannot give you an I tried to look at a lot of aspects of this I couldn't do everything but I'll be glad to look at the ability to permit and require insurance that would name the town and I'll bring that back as an amendment um I mean today tonight you could pass it not approve it pass it on
first reading with direction to look at permits and insurance adding permit and insurance for the town I thought we were going to then so this is an actual reading that we're going to pass versus I thought we're were going to then with Jennifer she'll be able to help us no this would be first this is first reading of tonight because my understanding is y'all wanted something immediate may I so this is this is like I said a quick fix because it will take
Jennifer six months or more to get something together for us so this is an interim action and it it will allow the current food trucks basically to continue in a in relative safe Manner and and then they're not um going to get ticketed or code enforcements not going to come down on them and stuff like that um I think that's what we are talking about and we can approve this as you said on first reading with the instruction to go back
with what you just said with with the insurance and what else did you say insurance insurance is the biggest just the insurance um but yeah I think that's a good point but that in the permitting process of this they would have to approve their insurance and and and have the town noted as an also insured on that process so I would make a motion to that effect if you would like well I need to I need to point out one more thing okay um you use the word this would let them continue There Remains
the issue in front of Ken's place that Ken has said this is a loading zone and he puts food trucks there now I'm going to throw the chief of police under the bus Chief has been telling me that that loading zone isn't and that putting parking in the intersection is illegal is that a fair statement Chief that's 100% true you cannot park in an intersection you cannot have parking in an intersection
right now where they're using that zone to load and unload all the trucks that pull up there stop in that intersection it's strictly prohibited by state law to stop even for unloading and loading in an intersection it creates a hazardous situation for all motor vehicle traffic there so that should have never been a loading zone is that what we're saying yeah that never should have this is a food truck issue this is a UPS any anybody anybody nobody should be stopping there at that intersection I
believe we have either a resolution or H or something where we said you can use the front as part loading possibly temporarily until the back is fixed the back is fixed I'll bring those determinations from prior counsel next week or put them in the agenda package for you I just wanted to Flat this would allow the use of spaces on the side um the use of the either parking lot across
the street parking in two spaces so there's plenty of room around Ken but I think we next month when we ad if you adopt this we really need to look hard at that loading zone concept where it is I would invite Ken he's here I'm speaking right in front of him if you got comments I some more can we have some more questions on Council first before so we don't have Lake June Park shouldn't we add Lake June Park as
because we have the boat races and they bring in food trucks because your lawyer forgot okay no no that wasn't that wasn't my okay so Lake tune part we should add um I'm just I'm curious on the two spot parking so so if they pull in and take over two spots would they have the food on there's no sidewalk side right now they're going to have to come unless it's a back window that they could purchase from they're going to be purchasing from I almost think two is
not enough now that can be a question that could be answered but I I feel that a food truck you know a big trailer pulling right down the middle you might have some issues with safety on somebody's trying to come to the side to get and you've got a parking a guy pulling into a parking spot right next to them I I don't think that's what I understand on the two they can take over two parking spots but I think what I what I'm visualizing and maybe I'm not
visualizing this correctly I'm visualizing them taking over two parking places and they would parallel park between those two parking places and I think it says with 20 ft on each side and they would serve then they don't serve out of the ends they serve out of the side that would face the sidewalk that's that's what I'm that's what I'm seeing to do it either way I I assumed it would not be parallel be angle crossing over the one line if you
read it differently then I didn't do a good enough job making that clear so Council needs to direct me do you want it angular or parallel my assumption was that a food truck could fit on two spaces with side with room on both sides or if they serve out of one side you might scooch him over a little bit so he's got more room in the free half of that space to serve that that is going to go back to the chief to respond
because I don't think two is really enough with people lined up to get served when you've got another car paralleling right next to them unless they went like I said unless they went parallel as opposed to can going as as the as the U places are marked I'm thinking they would go parallel yeah and that's hard to for them to even back in and park when there's already cars they'd have to be coning them out but I think they I think they
do parallel is fine with me do you want to parallel would probably work better as long as you're serving from the sidewalk side not the road side I don't think I don't think going along with that would be would be good precisely what you said you're getting in the way of people try to AP and I don't know of any food truck that serves out on both sides no they they they got to have one window they got have they've only got one window on one side so having it face the sidewalk to me would be the abolutely the safest way to do
it and then I agree with you the generator I I and that's again another kener somebody's question I think most of them have some type of a generator so I would hate to say you can't have a generator I think we had that in here yeah I don't know how they would do it without a generator unless they're operating on gas propane propane propane propane I don't I don't know there again I we probably could say that's you know that's okay as long as it's done in a
safe proper manner right or then we might or just pull it because it says no generators yeah yeah those are my questions what did you say about the generator take it out or leave it yeah because it says facility shall not use compressors or generators compress you leave compressor compressor compressor came from what another Town's ordinance but generator we can take off you know I'd say let's delete those
provisions and give it as wide open a shot let's figure out what ills we need to fix and see how it goes and then Jennifer will do a much better job than b okay Ken lablanc with the journal Plaza 231 North MAV um so yeah I I I look through all of this and definitely have a few comments um you know well let's see here um
17-23 C I understand that you know if you want to have some ability to find people because otherwise you know they could just blow you off and tell you to pound sand so I get that um but to say that somebody who is being told to leave has 5 minutes before he gets fined $500 when it takes 30 minutes to set it up and 30 minutes to take it down not everybody is in a driving one and they just jump in a
drive it's not that easy you know sometimes they're trailers and things like that you know how about stop doing business within five minutes and pack up and move immediately um that's realistic because the issue is I mean I would say you know I I I say you give a limit of 30 minutes before they have to be gone you know because realistically like I said it takes 30 minutes to set them up and 30 minutes to take them down sometimes you know but uh but yeah they got to stop you know functioning and then I I suppose if you if you tell them they
have to stop and leave they're in the process of cooking food for people that's already paid for food they probably need to give them their food so they could shut down their gas and everything else and stuff I think just realistically 30 minutes believe the intent behind that was to ensure that they don't continue selling more after right right I agree with that yeah once you've told them you can't sell anymore you have to leave then they got to stop selling they got to get the food out that they got there and then they got to leave that that's all realistic so so we would have it say that it would um
immediately desist uh desist operations yes and then move move in a time and manner after that yeah exactly yeah yeah and give a 30- minute time limit on that would be fine and reasonable um yeah the thing about two parking spaces some of these things you know if you park I think par parking parallel to the sidewalk always makes sense right because some of them are longer than than a a large truck so they'd stick out into the street so parallel is is smart it would take more than two spaces to
park parallel with a food truck right so I don't know that you can limit it to two spaces it could be three spaces and if you put you want some feet on each side you know it might be three and a half spaces right so I think um you know same parallel park to a sidewalk is fine just you can't limit it to two spaces because realistically it would be more than two spaces right um for almost every food truck um okay so then on um section four
11724 four loading zones so parked parallel to the street in any loading zone lawfully designated as such by the Town Council so as a loading zone so how is you know a parking space lawfully designated as such by the Town Council I don't know the Town Council has ever lawfully designated any loading zones or not you know um so in this case in front of the uh Journal Plaza I don't know that you would call that a lawfully
designated by the Town Council unless the Town Council accepts it as a loading zone right so what's the process for you know there's probably no lawfully designated loading zones in a town of Lake plet I think you know like that you know I don't know so that's my concern about that I mean do I need to come in front of the Town Council and have you agree that that's an acceptable place for it to happen you know what's the process right was it in your original change the wording right sorry was a loading zone indicated in your original
site plan um you know when I bought that loading zone was there when I bought the original building phase one right the parking all across there was all existing so all I did it was asphalt to dirt I put the the concrete sidewalk next to the asphalt I didn't restripe no none of that stuff was restriped or anything the only thing that happened there was Charlotte you guys reset those bumpers thank you very much by the way to match the angles of
the parking spaces which they didn't so that's good but other than that this is all existing from 20 30 years ago right what's up front there um you know where that you know we call it a loading zone you know um at some point they may be drove cars and stuff like that into that dirt lot right um so it just happened to line up with my Arch and everything that I did there and um and we have used it as um you know UPS uses it FedEx uses it
um you know now that we've got a paved alley in the back UPS and FedEx actually can go and drive through the alley and drive back out again they couldn't do it before because you know there was ditches and everything back there right so in reality I mean we can talk to them get them to try and you know start using the back um the only person that can't use the back now is probably a semi- can't can't get out of the alley can go into it but can't turn out on the other side they'd get stuck right because you know there's no turning radius on the north side of the alley so I mean they
still I don't I haven't seen semis unloading there in a while so I don't know exactly what they're doing now but they had struggled for you know quite a while as um the master plan is being done you know and they they start looking at all the roadway and do they do a traffic Circle and all those kinds of things I mean all these things need to be considered and addressed in that new master plan right you know whether we could have the parking that we have can we have you know the loading zone all that stuff maybe where to where to semis you know deliver to places I don't know right um just to just to clarify
that loading zone that that we're saying is a loading zone there doesn't meet Florida State Statute requirements it it it it clearly prohibits the stopping and standing there at the inter section of any vehicle so that cannot even be a loading zone um it's been allowed because they couldn't go behind but I mean 316.1945 stop stopping standing or parking prohibited in specified places
if we look it is subsection 1 A3 within any intersection you cannot stop Stander park for any reason and that's considered an intersection that's where two roads meet in the area where two roads meet where vehicles are in an interchange is an intersection and that is an intersection okay but but that actual loading zone is not actually in the intersection either are the car parking spaces they're outside the
intersection the FedEx and all them do not stop in that area they stop in the roadway and everyone that loads or unloaded there is stopping in the roadway yeah that's valid and I have no problem talking to Blueberry Patch and all of them say hey can you start talking to FedEx and talk to UPS and tell them we paid the alley specifically so they can get back there so we really want them to start using it now and also just a that's valid yeah if you look at the way it's marked the parking space directly to the south of that is a
handicap space that marked off area there is supposed to be for loading and unloading of handicapped it's not supposed to be used as additional parking and you're not supposed to move food trucks into that area once you designate it for as a handicap space that's all it can be used for I think I do know that when you bring things down there they do get in that area it hasn't been strictly enforced like it should be but that's another
issue that needs to be addressed I think in reality that parking space was designated by the town as a handicap par space at some point I can't hear you sorry sorry um that that parking space I think you know years ago the town turned it into a handicapped parking space but they never actually properly striped next to it what you're talking about what's there was just the whole you know these two things that were there from original so it it may be valid you know for the town to stripe it off properly and then we can talk to food truck and
say listen stay out of this because of that and you know they could do that right yeah and since it is only a single Space by Statute it's required to be van accessible that's why that is there there and actually it is if you look at how it's supposed to be marked it is marked properly for Van access mhm and that's why it is so large to allow for the Vans with the lifts to come out lower so that people in wheelchairs can get in and out there it's not supposed
to be used for coming in and out of the of the plaza oh okay but that was marked before the handicap space got there they didn't change the markings after they put so I wonder there there is probably a limit to that what the van needs and it's probably beyond the limit but I mean that whole thing could be striped off like the whole thing because they come in like this now maybe there should be a line straight across the end and the whole thing cross that maybe you know the town because they do their own striping you know they can come out and kind of restripe that I doesn't matter
to me you know um but I'll I'll start talking to UPS and FedEx I'll get the word out to them to start using the back because um yeah if they if they get into the loading zone completely they're out of the intersection but I agree with you they don't they they Park mostly in but a little bit out and stuff and it's either in or out so get the tractor trailer when the semiu comes in it's definitely in the intersection I've seen that multiple times where people actually have to go into the median uh to get around the truck yeah no I get
that okay um so but but going back to that um you know I don't know what to do about the lawfully designated as such by the Town Council because I don't think it's ever been lawfully designated by the Town Council so I think something needs to change in that wording or we need to lawfully you know come up with a way to lawfully designate it right um okay okay existing restaurants you know within 500 feet you know the thing about
the food trucks are um the the food trucks you know we tried moving the food trucks to the back and they did like 30% of the business that they do in their front the same exact food truck on the same exact day of the week you know the food trucks are you know they they come with a Vibe it's street food it's it's a cool hip thing to do um and people see it and they just stop because they see it right and um so it's not something that I think is like drawing business away from restaurants
in the area if anything it's bringing more people to the area you know and showing more people the area just by stopping um I don't think it's um you know reasonable to say you have to get written permission from you know all the Russ within 500 ft I mean when a restaurant opens up they don't have to get written permission from all the restaurants within 500 ft of where they want to open up you know yeah um after when I was reading this I went on Google Maps and did a circumference of 500 feet
and I think that is excessive oh yeah it's a very large I would say more like maybe 200 feet yeah yeah well I mean the only one that's open at night when the food trucks come is scoonies and scoonies is always open I don't think sconies has a problem with it uh Morty nedna sometimes is open sometimes they're not they don't have a problem with it you know they say it just brings more business to the plaza and to them you know so um I don't think this is a thing where um you know at least at the
joural plaza the food truck is not competing with restaurants it's just causing people to stop that don't normally stop you know because they want to get the street food and they want to be part of that Vibe right actually the Morty and edness person was here last count council meeting and spoke in favor of food truck yeah yeah yeah they say it brings them more business so um okay next thing yeah the the thing about generators you guys already picked out but I mean that's a poison pill if you say no generators then you say no food trucks in the town of Lake plet every
food truck that I see has a generator um and if they didn't they'd have to plug a cord in which have to go across the sidewalk and become a tripping Hazard so yeah I think that needs to go out I've never actually seen a compressor on a food truck we resolve that Ken sorry we address that already yeah okay um yeah and then just last thing I say
um you you uh address um tents and stuff you know we do do tents in in the journal Plaza and I I I don't think it's a problem with this I just want to make sure it's not on Wednesday nights we do a food event now at the journal plaz so we set tents up and we sell food from the tents and it's become it's becoming very popular it's bringing a lot of people to the area that aren't usually there on a Wednesday night and um I don't think this thing you know because we're on private property um you know we we already have restaurants we're already allowed to have restaurants and
even more so than what we even have in the plaza um so I don't think it's a problem you know I didn't really see anything that creates an issue I mean unless you know Bert you know you think there's an issue you know that we we need to talk about but since it's on private property I think it's all okay in this ordinance the way it's written who whoa whoa who
whoa I go back in the other direction go down stop W keep going I don't think we did address that and we probably should because I don't think I don't think that a tent without permission of councel should go set up on private property unless there's the apron and the parking
you've got that not fussing with that at all it works but if there is a go across the street from Journal Plaza and go to the north where you own some other land um if you you tried to set up a tent there I think that should take um just like uh the mobile facilities setting up there yeah you got to have the right zoning you got to have an apron and appropriate parking right right which in our case yeah if we were to set up over there then it would
trigger all of those requirements since we're in the journal Plaza it doesn't seem like it triggers any of those so I think there's no issue Journal Plaza yeah no problem with those 10 events yeah okay yeah all right I think that's that's the uh that's it for me does council want me to add the tent thing on private property just like uh basically parallel to food trucks on private property zoning apron
parking I would and um Chief you know when it comes to the food trucks in that area in front you know 100% agree they have to be 100% off of the you know the road into that area and they're selling onto my sidewalk I tell them you guys need to sell onto my sidewalk which is the sidewalk is is my property actually
right so get tied up against there and um you know to get them as far away from the street as possible and they've all done very good job of just getting right up there to the sidewalk right I thought the part of that sidewalk was yours but that's maybe half of it back on your side and the half on the street side um the the the pins are actually in the asphalt so even a little bit of that asphalt is on my property that's not my recollection of the survey there oh yeah if you check the survey I have a copy of
the survey in my office the sidewalk is on his property and just a little bit of asphalt maybe 4 in Asphalt here three inches of asphalt there two over here yeah yeah yeah I just poured it right up to the asphalt but that's where the pins are yeah cool yeah the only other thing I would add to this is to ensure that we uh don't violate State Statute I would not recommend allowing um food trucks to park within 20 foot of crosswalks to
keep in line with State Statute just to keep the visibility of the crosswalks yeah blocking the view of a crosswalk so they can park past the crosswalk but you can't park in front of the crosswalk right yeah yeah that makes sense not within 20 ft of a crosswalk I the state statute says not within 20 foot of crosswalk parking and again it's it's again it's it's 3161 1945 it's within 15 ft of a fire hydrant 20 ft of a crosswalk or 30
foot of any flashing signal stop sign or traffic control signal uh Deborah warling 380 East Inter Lake Boulevard for the record um I'm down here because I am on the TDC and now I've gotten myself involved with the uh soda uh waterboat drag
races that are coming to our town so I'm doing this as an individual um project to help the the town and the event to get started and keep going on um we having they're very excited about coming back but um all of this I'm trying to you know I'm not really an event planner so this is all new for me so um what we were planning to do and we just got a drawing from the race people for the Lake June Park and
they've marked off we're trying to do a better job of trying to keep pedestrians and the race car people and try to do all of this in a more or early manner so he just sent me where he would feel the race boats um and I don't know if you intended the event but what they do is they put the boats every boat goes in I thought they would all line up out there I didn't know that but they come down to the boat ramp and they put in
and they race it's just down and back you know ba basically down and then they put her back so anyway um there's a lot of activity so we're trying to make it safer so he sent me that but um in addition to that which I'm going to be working with our Town Administrator and our police chief and our staff for the park how to do all this but in the in the in in and so they said do we use food trucks do we get our
nonprofits to come down and cook I don't know so if we if we can okay so this is public property now we're talking about Lake June Park so are we allowed to have food trucks I added it yeah that's what we just said yes okay but but give thought I'm just making sure certainly not on the baseball diamond I'm sorry not on the baseball diamond in other
words yeah I know but do we need to say on a particular area in Lake June Park like around the Pavilion down by the water um I'm we're trying to lay this out now so we could bring back a plan um I'll just say Lake June Park is food trucks I mean obviously we'll make it safe so we're trying to know I'm trying to do is you know improve it from last
year and so we have an area for we had vendors um which are people you know arts and crafts or selling food trucks and Tents how about that that's what I'm saying so now we're going to have tents and we're going to have like a little arts and craft and food selling thing over here and so can we set up tents at the public park well it raised a good point because at the cadium festival in the country fair we allow tents to be set up so it would be something similar
it sounds like and then we have that's what I had down at the bottom you could do tents with permission of counsil on public property perfect so that's there I mean this is just a I mean this is a perfect example of what we need to process okay so we can have tents and we can have food trucks or we could have our nonprofit selling food in an area Okay um and I guess that was my main issues here at the moment um and
just to tell you that they're very happy to come and anybody that wants to come and participate either by being a vendor or doing whatever we need feedback whether we should do this with our this is a big concern do we do our nonprofits and let them make money but it's not a huge event yet so I mean for them to come and set up it's probably not profitable so that means food trucks so um we're probably gonna end up doing
food trucks just to and so how do we set the food trucks up to comply with the current I mean there's no sidewalks there well it it says in uh section five that um not allowed on public property except by permit approved right resolution to the Town Council so if if they bring their floor their layout plan to the Town Council and we approve the tents and the food
trucks is that that does it well I don't know that's what I'm asking I mean I'll double check and make sure I believe it does deah but I'll double check that yeah I just need to know because you know it's coming now it's coming in May the 1st of May so I need to um try to get these people and everybody's helping I mean it's not just me I'm just trying to be the cheerleader basically um so thank you very much just
just on that one Mr attorney is you've kind of clarified daine Park where they should Park Stewart Park where they should Park and we said what about Lake June and we're going to add it you know another is to work with the Town Administrator and Harry on where would they recommend it go and I think that way that and I'm perfectly fine with their recommendation he'll stay away from the ball field but then you can expand that to say we're in Lake June Park and I think that would help also
with you know that that would help a lot and I just forgot about this I didn't write it down is that we were thinking about having the car show people come and um they going to do a show and shine which means means there's not going to be trophies and all that they would only come for a few hours so we would like to add as another event um maybe have the car show come one day be 11 to two um so that would be another thing we would
have to designate parking for them so um so do you want to address car shows do you want to address something like that because this doesn't prohibit anything with automobiles I mean car shows anywhere so I mean certainly Council can but that's so we're okay with that well I wouldn't we say that if all of a sudden the drag booat racing event has just morphed into a couple additional
add-ons isn't that like any other event it would have to come forward to make sure we have you know police protection and signage and everything else so as that develops if that's what you're now going to have a separate event at the same time in that Park I would think it would be an item on the agenda that you'd come forward present what you want to do and for the approval am I thinking right I think you're right absolutely right yeah yeah because the way the car
shows work now I didn't know this before they'll probably come around set up 11 to two or I don't know they don't stay the whole day and then we also are tring trying to get uh hot air balloons to go over the park as well I think we're getting off on a tangent it's 9:27 so I'm sorry I didn't hear you we're getting off on a tangent and it's 9:27 no I we TR make sure with all of
this that I just forgot about the car show oh you're you're you're good we just have to come with a plan for that event and and however many other ancillary events you want with it so all good thank you very much Margaret dear for the record I'm sorry it's not about food trucks I just want a clarification the Peddlers and solicitation is that all solicitation because I'm thinking about the poor people that are starting to complain
about I've had a guy come to my house twice in the last two weeks about giving me a new roof and new windows and the solar people and all of that so does that put the onus on the homeowner to have to put up a no trespassing sign to say you're not welcome to come to my house yes that's the way it's always been though for the most part if you don't want him there you put up no soliciting no trespassing signs then if
they come on your property it's trespassing after warning they can be arrested for it if you don't have those anybody can come up and knock on your door okay I'm I just wanted clarification because I thought no solicitation was kind of part of it or you couldn't do it without a permit awesome no but I this has taken that completely out right that's a current ordinance so to your point though is and I get it for the no solicitation no trespassing but a lot of them are kind of illegal today because they're selling
you know selling for another company they don't have a permit because they're supposed to have a permit so you know how does the if we're going to pull this all out how does that revert back to exactly the same way we would get the complaint any other way you have to call in to Lodge the code complaint I cannot initiate a a code complaint without a complaint so it's the same thing if someone is out there selling something unless someone complains I'm not going
to know they're doing that I don't go up to people say hey why are you going up and talking to people at that house right no my question is but now we've pulled that code out no the I think um the state statute still covers it State Statute still covers it that's State St that's that's covered under State Statute we didn't really need the code there to reiterate what state statute already said okay yeah Gilbert Randle Lake plasa own food trucks first question why do you want to
allow a business to operate on public property in the town of Lake plet that's the and that's not rhetorical secondly I owned and operated restaurants in Lake plid for 21 years 500 F feet is not too far the town of Lake Placid is sufficient I don't know if you know the most expensive thing in a restaurant do any of you have an idea Park no an empty chair and if you're eating at a food truck you're not eating in one of my empty chairs so I know and
communicate with restaurant owners throughout the community who are not based in journal Plaza they do not like food trucks that's taking money out of their till food trucks are great I en enjoy food trucks put them on private property if you have a piece of property and you think a food truck is an addition to your business put it on your property not on public property because what all businesses now are going to you going to allow in parking
spaces are you aware in Lake Placid now there's a mobile Barber Shop pretty cool setup that guys got his truck looks nice can he whip into Journal Plaza Park and do haircuts because what's the difference it's a business is a business if you're going to allow that to operate on public property I think you're opening a big Pandora's box so I think you should think long and hard about doing that their food trucks are great they have their purpose they have their
place publicly funded property is not the place to operate a business from a liability standpoint from your other businesses in the community it just doesn't work and chief unless it's changed in the last year because I do have mobile food truck licenses there is no insurance requirement to get that license you it's not the I haven't looked too deep into that aspect it was my there is no the the Department of Business Prof Professional Regulation
never asks you about insurance but they also have to go to the uh Health Department do they not no the health department has nothing to do with that was my understanding is to sell the food they had to have no it's the Department of Business and Professional Regulation people call them Health inspections they're not they're food safety inspections done by the state of Florida not your local Health Department the only thing with a restaurant that a local Health Department would have any issue or involvement is if you were on a septic system they do then inspect your septic tanks so you're you're open up a
great big can of worms by opening businesses on public property thank you I just um say one thing regarding what he's saying I understand where beefo Brady is you know in that Plaza if a food truck were to come pull up in front of beob Brady's you know he would take issue with it what we have is is a venue I mean it's different than just a brick
and mortar place you know we try and get people to pull their car over get out of their car come into the venue and you know we we we have Tuesday movie Nights now at the journal Plaza wet dogss is showing movies again um you know we do the food events you know we have all these things we do to get people give them a place to socialize downtown and give them options you know for places to eat places to drink things to do you know it's I think it's different than
than a simple brick-and mortar place that's you know in a strip on 27 you know we're in a historic downtown it's all about giving people a district where they can just say I don't know where I'm going just going to pull park there and I'm going to go find some place to eat find some place to drink find something to do you know and that's really what we've tried to create downtown I think we've been very successful at it and and we're trying to build on it and just make that District bigger and expand it and try and get it to go down the street
more and then hopefully get it on the in Lake you know and things like that so um you know I I think if you're going to um say we're going to do a 500t radius and anybody who wants to say they don't want one we can't have food trucks within 500 ft I mean you're you're blowing our you know our um our you know what we're trying to create there I mean it's um like I said I I don't think I mean Morty edness who's in the actual Plaza says it brings them more business to have a food
truck there right it gets a different type of person out of their car people who want that you know food truck Vibe you know uh street food vibe that kind of thing it's just different right so yeah so let me let me just ask a question then if if we said that the food truck had to be on private property and we're talking about your private property although we are we're making this for the town of Lake plasted not just Journal Plaza but if it were for your
property and let's say the boxer whatever it is truck came would you put it in on your new astro turf I can't it'll ruin the it'll ruin the AstroTurf okay so can't park cars you you wouldn't put it where would you if if we said it had to be on private property where would you put it there would you put it there I I don't know that we could you know okay yeah now if you guys were to say I'd like to create a permit process
and Ken I want you to pull a permit for that loading zone you know pay $100 a year or something and then you have to manage the people that go there if that's legal or allowed you know that makes sense it's not a big you you know a difficult thing to do because it's created some kind of process that makes everybody happy in which case I could then make sure they have insurance certificates and and give those to the town and stuff I I'm open to to doing something that works but I don't know if it's would you include with would you include with that a personal indemnification of the
Town um I don't know that I could I mean I don't know I'd have to talk to a lawyer you know I don't know what that means that puts you at responsib ability not just your insurance yeah but but why would the town be but if you if you put me responsible and I have no um way to cover myself for that if I don't have insurance that's willing to cover on on your property I don't know
that I I can well the town has Insurance limits as well can I know so you charge me $100 a year and I pay the permit fee and you know it goes towards your insurance policy or something I suppose but I don't know that I can insure myself for your property you can't okay then I don't think I can sign a hold harmless agreement because then I'm signing away everything I got and I have no coverage for it right but that's what you're asking the town to do well the town has insurance for Town's
property I don't have insurance for Town's property I can't insure myself for Town's property I I think we just have to be careful that we're not crafting an ordinance for like for for uh the plaza we're crafting an ordinance for the town I agree with you I I get that no 100% I get that and you know and and and I do tell them to sell on to my sidewalk so if somebody falls and gets hurt on my sidewalk I have insurance you know so I I tell them you know pull your
thing up to my sidewalk sell onto my sidewalk and um the garbage comes onto my property you know and and all that stuff right yeah can okay a after you can we hear from the the um I also want to hear from the merchants pay interest um I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone with this discussion I'm sorry because I've come to these meetings for decades and
so this is an ordinance townwide it's not for one specific area I think you're creating the Wild Wild West um and things that are going to happen after this so in the JC's we used to rent Stewart Park in the barbecue grill we had to reserve the park put a AOS it down um and a fee and so like at the Lake June Park there's a lot of potential but on social media the last couple days trash
can's overflowing who did this what did that how are you going to regulate this what staff's going to do it um and how are you going to enforce it and then every time there's a a food truck on Highway 27 I don't know how it works out so they also have to go and make sure the trash is picked up and so and so happens and and I get it the lake CLA Journal is an asset to the the community of Lake plid but my I just don't
understand brick and mortar businesses in the town of Lake plid pay property taxes to the town these food trucks don't pay property taxes and I think that you went from a moratorium until I understand that this is the ordinance and you're having a workshop on the 17th for part of this is the same issue so I'm just really I'm sitting in the audience I'm trying to listen trying to follow and it's blowing my mind um
seriously because you used to have I mean if are we changing all the rules I know not just with this but it's like I'm have a little bit of trouble catch quicker butt there I agree with everything Ken just said except one part Wednesday nights I enjoy going to journal Plaza there's a tremendous offering of foods it's delicious it's it's something unique it's fun there's
children there's running and playing that food is on private property those businesses are operating on private property I can't put a sign in front of my business to draw more people in but you're saying it's okay to park a food truck in front of your business to draw more people in that's a great big sign now Ken just said those trucks do 30% less if they park in the back because you're not seeing the sign but I can't put that big 20 foot sign in front
of my business to draw people in you know do what you're going to do go ahead n Ken we're not going to go back and forth we don't have time yeah and and like I say but just not not just for Journal Plaza but think about all of the businesses in the town of Lake plaid and how is this going to affect each and every Business Journal Plaza is a wonderful asset I hope it continues to grow and does well keep it on private
property good evening Ken Anderson um New To You furniture imporium and I work closely with friends of Lake class and business Alliance uh first question on behalf of new to you that I thought I had answered but some of the questions tonight raised the question in my mind as a business owner on Inter Lake where all of the parking is owned by the town it's not owned by the businesses are food trucks allowed to pull out in front of our businesses parallel park face the
sidewalk and block my business from be under this from views you know that that's a good point about the wild west and so forth what would you think about um amending um the section four um that they're allowed to park in lawful parking spaces and just delete that only allowed in designated areas like Stewart Park Dain Park thank you in that case I'm now here for the
friends of Lake plet business Alliance I was actually asked to gather a little bit of input from the our little Merchants group um and provide some input to the council I sent out emails and made some personal visits the responses that I got back I'll try to be real real brief about this uh the survey that I sent out basically said answer this way number one we believe food trucks are good and a good draw to the town and should be permitted two We Believe food trucks are good within some
limitations on time and locations or three food trucks are undesirable uh from all of the non eery businesses these are pie piece these are not restaurants basically um the smokes of uh Blueberry Patch gave us a number one but everybody else was number two there were no number three so everybody that was a non eatery that we spoke to agreed that food trucks were good then
we got into restaurants uh the owners of cowboy tacos who also now own the new Americana Restaurant next door to me uh they have four food trucks so they were big believer food trucks Morty and Ed is the number two purple iris is a number two home run Cafe is a number one normas cacina is a number two wet dogs and wind down are number two GC grills are number two scoonies didn't tell me because he said he was going to be here tonight but I think he was a one or a two um I did
have two people that gave responses that asked that I share them with the council um for Morty and ednas thank you for the opportunity to provide feedback at Morty and ednas we believe that food drucks can be a value valuable addition to our town and should be permitted they offer diverse culinary experiences and can enhance the vibrancy of our community also food trucks can provide opportunities for individuals who may not have the resource to establish traditional brick and mortar businesses we understand there may be some concerns about the operation of food trucks we
believe that reasonable regulations regarding location hours of operation with respect to property owner consent can address these concerns we appreciate your consideration of our opinions in regards to this matter I told them I would read it and then the other is from uh wet dogs and wind down uh can I can't make the Monday meeting so hear my thoughts food trucks need generators they don't exceed the noise threshold for the area and are quieter than the street traffic passing by no operations after 10: p.m. in line with the noise
ordinance before 7 so they could be able to operate for breakfast I don't know what he means by that but language seems too open-ended for operation at the parks certainly they should serve toward the sidewalk not the street but it appears they could show up with no notice should they not be required to have approval in some in the same way the posting of signs must be approved if they have a regular schedule in a location they could have an extended approval by the town or adjacent
property owner this would also avoid conflicts during events that use the parks i' shared all I came to share unless there's any questions thank you and repeat again that there was like a one and a two and a three and what was the basically
may I speak as a business owner okay I adopt Gibby's position I've been my done my best to do what I thought you wanted but I think that man's right it would be like me putting my
little desk out in the middle of Dal Hall Boulevard with a sign will special on it to get attention to bring people into my business and I think that's a misuse public property lecture over thank you for enduring that one okay so what do we do now with our dilemma can one quick question so to under this Ordinance do they have to
come in and get a permit this is they can just pull up and park yes so that gets back to we don't know if they have insurance or anything like that but we're adding that yeah yeah yeah we're going to but we they don't have to pay for a permit or anything so we can't we don't know who's going to come wi and and just to reiterate um what our turn Town attorney said said I am is it
not working not on is it is that we don't have to adopt this tonight this is the first and then we come back for the second which gives you time to think about it that's a tough issue it's a tough issue I would be interested in what do the other cities do do we know what Sebring and the and the answer is what well it's in the it's in the package so
what is it well they they approve them okay that's all I needed they they approve them on on Town property rights do you does anybody know or know um watula has one and I looked at I think Sebring Sebring is right here on page whatever I'm at 202 I just wanted to mention one thing
yall are talking about a lot about Journal Plaza and stuff but what about all the times we use the food trucks when we use them for the cladium festival when we use them for the fair out there and everything else you can't just look at the one single thing of the journal Plaza you have food trucks parking all over Lake plet all the time for different events and these are people these are hardworking people my
next door neighbors own two food trucks unfortunately he had to leave he was here for quite a bit of this evening he had to leave or he would have been a great source of information for you guys to ask questions but just remember they're hardworking people and you have been using them for all your events and that needs to be considered when making any kind of rules or laws about this do we need her name yes for the
record Phoenix well uh there's nothing else um can you would you consider a motion from me that we revise this incorporating the comments that were received tonight and present it again and then
see then that would be a month from now in the meantime we have the uh 17th meeting so the make a motion to um amend this considering all the comments i' second that okay we have a motion second further discussion I hope not I just don't know we can all the comments so well I
could yeah should I Reit reiterate them or do you want to go off the recording okay um what do I have here starting um uh the uh Toy will address wording to indemnify the town for
damages um adding Lake June Park with designated area um this okay 17-24 A3 revised to specify parallel parking delete generators and
compressors delete delete generators and compressors that's some section 24 B6 um amend uh 11723 section c to uh or amend it to modify the five
minute limit and um 17-24 A4 loading zone I think this oh I think this was my note to myself I if if it's a note to myself and it's not on the recording
then but it was um to delete the words lawfully designated as such by Town Council add restrictions related to tents on private property no parking within 20 ft of a
crosswalk and um I suggested I don't know if anybody heard me it was to delete number four uh Delete 117 -24 A3 delete lawful parking um see that was um delete section uh 11724 lawful parking
spaces that's the one that's I suggest that we just delete any parking on public property other than designated areas okay that was
it did I did I miss any is that it I don't think you missed any I was listening I don't think you missed any three spaces parallel pardon three spaces parallel okay or we're Le leaving that in yeah yeah we and and we're specifying parallel rather than um
perpendicular okay so we have a motion in a second with those changes okay any other comments from the audience bring it back pull the counsel council member Everhart yes council member Hayes yes council member warley yes council member Charles based on a lot of the good input today
no okay so where we at now five 5 a 5 a okay 5A is resolution 20251 a resolution of the town of Blake BL Florida adopting the 10e Capital Financial strategy of the town of Lake
Plaza providing for severability proving for conflict and providing for an effective date thank you Dana Rell Town planner for the record we are asking for this resolution number to be changed from 25-01 to 25-7 let me wake up the
mouse okay so we're moving on to discuss the town of Lake pasted 10-year Capital Financial strategy this modifies the 10e capital Capital Financial strategy through fiscal year 2425 through 3334 provides for updates to the 10-year Capital Financial strategy of the town of Lake plid as required by our comprehensive plan and places it in the te technical support document of the town's comprehensive plan
um this ordinance is included in your I'm sorry I'm sorry this resolution is included in your packet and it has been amended to reflect the changes to the CIP that occurred last meeting it sounds like based on the amendments to the CIP that occurred this meeting we should probably do motion option number two if council's
an agreement which would be moved to approve and adopt updates to the 10-year Capital Financial strategy of the town of Lake pla 2030 comprehensive plan technical support document by resolution 202 2-07 with changes as follows um to update the funds for sanitation and the cemetery to be
accurate so Dana what's changed from last time I see broadband and natural gas has been added did oh you know what I'm sorry yes I didn't make a note of that um and then is the fishing pier on there since the mayor announced it in the newspaper along with another boat ramp and some other things no so those things are not on
there but the natural gas extension and the Broadband extensions were suggestions from the local planning AG and we couldn't bring them forward in time at first reading because of the way that the hearings fall so I'm updating to reflect their recommendation okay so those two were added since the last one and then the peer's not on here correct no I I don't have the peer listed on
here we can I mean I think we should add that I think we we put it out and I don't know how much money to add for it
but can that go under fur can a pier go under fur Kevin do you know that it would only be 200,000 right you'd have to find um f app is a Max of 200,000 it is you can apply for a fishing pier as part of that but you can also apply for a fish and wildlife Grant but if you're asking about a price I don't know the 200 will cover a fishing beer it's a guess it's very wild
guess what what I didn't hear what the guess was Kevin I think You' be more than 200 to build a fishing pier agree yeah but you could do it in addition to other things other grants yeah I mean you're going to request I would expect you would request funding from Fish and Wildlife I think that's how they funded the bishop Park yes ramp you're going to run into issues just personal
opinion the only place to put the peers next to your swim area which is kind of where the other one is it just sticks out far enough and you may stick it out far enough that it's not an issue so right similar to Bishop Park did you have any estimate Charlotte of a I was trying to find one I I was going to we did one over in Hardy County and it was a um it was a floating and it was
done through FWC is where we obtained it but I don't I can't find it on here I'm going to say at a minimum I mean it can be more but they did one that was like it came where you put it together and so it was much cheaper I mean I think we could go with 200 right now and then see what it's at but could I was thinking higher it was I know it was less than that with what we did I just can't give you a less than 200 yes ma' yeah but that's a floating one right yeah it was
and that gets difficult for wheelchairs where they're rocking like that to go well I don't know it was pretty stable but I mean again we we could put that on there for right now and move it if we needed to and adjust the amount but it was under 200 I know that if that was what was mentioned in the newspaper wasn't that in relation to TDC grant funding so would we be citing
TDC grant for that no the the TDC Grant was only for the master plan so yeah it was just it's not for any of the amenities it's only for us to that was to sell us so that we could get the grant gotcha thank you you're welcome just as a quick comment it's more important to put it in there than it than it matters what the dollar amount is doesn't matter if you have $1
in there if you have it on your Capital plan then you have a capital plan you can apply for the grant if you don't have it on your Capital plan you're not going to it's not going to check that box on the Grant application the dollar value is when you have a real estimate then you put the real estimate in there so based on that and based on your estimate uh Charlotte let's put 200,000
in and then we at least got a placeholder and then we can go from there what year do you want to put it in I think we I thought we had it in the sixth year just to start because not in the 5year CIP so we said let's put it in the six year that makes good sense y so we uh motion options then we would
be under motion option number two with the changes being adding $200,000 for a fishing pier in year six correct correct and to update the categories for sanitation and Cemetery yes second we have a motion to Second and further discussion the
audience saying not bring it back PLL the councel council member Hayes yes council member warley yes yes council member Charles yes council member everard yes all right next is uh 5B resolution 20256 resolution of the town of class of Florida approving public event signs
that requested by the Mason G smoke foundation for the Mason G smoke Foundation 5K and family fun one day providing for severability providing for conflict and providing for Effective dat this is something we've done for how many years a bunch a bunch I move to approve a second got a motion a second to approve resolution
20256 any other comments from the podium all right take it to the audience bring it back pull the council council member Charles I made the motion I'm hay she's Charles she's on the
end do they council member Hayes yes council member Charles yes council member warley yes council member Everhart yes okay next is ca1 tourist development laws on report I think this is from Deborah yeah this is going to be a fast read here okay um so I went to the TDC meeting on January 30th and there's a a
couple things here that you all may want to um participate in there's a grant meeting on February 26 you have to respond by the 14th ask you to go through if you're plan to attend to go through the um the grant information online before you go um the tourist tax revenues and I gave you the tables actually I I did put the table 2425 I meant to do 23 24 because it's the uh a
complete year of what they um what the revenue was for the TDC that they they get to uh refer to be spent um the TDC cover page highlighting the journal Plaza um just letting you know that um I think that um the the lake plet is being more recognized um just just to show you the website now we just got a today that it's up and going the new website says
three communities endless possibilities so it's highlighting all three of us um Sebring Lake plet and Avon Park and then getting ready for the HGTV which now we know is coming um March 9th um there's uh those are the things of preparation and I only highlight the things that involes Lake plaid we are going to get a kiosk uh they are going to print up postcards with our Lake pla destination
so people they'll be handing those out and there will be Town open houses with a community um Caravan to um all three municipalities um let's see the um nominations again for the tourism awards if you want to nominate somebody you can again on the storytelling videos they have um two two features from Lake plaa the Lake June
pontoons and Morty and ednas um the booked events um we have um the southern Outlaw drag r boat racing um last paddler standl I I had a issue about that um with Casey she said it's not for sure but I think everything we know with grants and any kind of planning events don't always happen so um and the Spartan races are December
25th they credit those with Lake plasted but there is some controversy which I'd like to bring up next month um and then with the grants um Bishop Park park has getting has been awarded 50,000 for 3 years to do a um a Lake Park uh with a with inflatable yes a water park and so um that was granted again I wanted Casey sent me an email she felt like I didn't do a good
job on this so she said uh she basically said that I need to tell you that even though um the like the water race um was approved to be moved to may all of these grants everything that's done by the TDC is advisory and it has to be approved by the uh County Commission so just so you're aware of that she wanted me to let you know that I think we did but anyway and one of the things that I thought was really positive was the uh
entrance signs to Highlands County you can see that we approved the um a new sign with um letters six in and dark I think it makes a big difference um and and I think that we're working through all of this and maybe we will get to the HGTV that we all work together and it's all good for Highlands County and good for all of us that's
it thank you now we go to 6b1 water ball water ball service fee agreement this is a duplicate more or less of the bulk service fee agreement we did to finance the costs Capital costs of the
sewer project but this is the Water Project running portable water to the lake plid camp and Conference Center one change in it the conference center excuse me because this is a grant loan some of the grant is the grant is used to discharge part of the loan but it still leaves debt that is actually Town debt um because the conference center could not apply for a grant so we did so
the town is secured um by a bond posted by the conference center on the sewer line they have asked to change that from a bond because it's a special type of bond I suspect rather difficult to get uh and they would put up a cash Bond I recommend you approve that change and adopt the bulk service fee
agreement um nobody knows what this project is going to cost we've got engineering analysis and estimates but it's not been bid until it's bid and then we get um those costs and we know the interest rate from srf only then will we be able to put the financials together so we will be coming back to fine tune this at a later date
but this agreement is needed to be executed by us and the conference center and dispatched to uh FD as the next step they're all waiting on the D is waiting on this agreement Kevin what have I missed Dr Wilson's here tonight um I you saw me go speak with him and that was just he agreed uh to ask the
council will adopt with that one change do you need the option to go back to the Bond as opposed to a cash deposit or are you comfortable cash deposit and as as with the Bond as the debt comes down the cash deposit would come down as well I believe we did a little bit more than the actual debt was it 110% if we could e if we could equal the
same little bit over because that covers our cost in the end in the event of a catastrophe economically but just convert it from bond to cash he didn't know that last point was coming I didn't I did not I'm sorry Brian Wilson for the record uh Southern Florida District Church of the nazarine at this hour of the night my mind is as
fuzzy as most of ours is and uh as I expressed to Mr Harris some of these things I've not I've not seen I work with the board so any agreement has to go to my board for approval um my request Mr Harris was if because this is a time-sensitive issue if the council would go ahead and approve tonight that would allow us to move forward with it if everything is
copesthetic with the board uh that I work with and uh attempt as soon as possible to get in the same room the Personnel from both the town and the district to discuss the particulars and make sure we're all on the same page uh so that would allow the mayor to sign as soon as they agree when we meet together yes sir without coming back to Town Council because it is time sensitive and
of course it wouldn't change from what you have in your package but for that one issue of a cash Bond yeah the way you express the cash bond is is a little different from what I was thinking earlier so again it's too late for me to comprehend that so if we could have time to talk through it and clarify that would be good I'm going to put in the cash Bond equal to the regular
Bond because I think that's what we discussed and agreed in the event there is a default we may get hung with some of the cost of of legal in going through collection now in collection is you're right collection is easier we've got the money in the bank never mind 100%'s fine I Surrender on that one okay you're I I again I don't know I don't want to commit to anything tonight you're not committed to anything sir see so um we had I think there was some
terminology about a u um escro yes I didn't hear that I heard a full cash Bond so I'm not a finance person I have finan people to help with that the concept you would post cash money yes um we did not agree you raised the question of where it would be held and I said the
town would hold it otherwise we're getting into other if you want somebody else to hold it that's a totally totally different thing like I say I'm going to put it in the way I understand it if you don't like it don't sign it and uh we'll come back next month you're presenting to the council my preference is go ahead and approve it let's get all the parties in the same room get on the same page if we need to come back with fine tuning that that's fine all right I agree thank
you I have just a couple questions is um on three where it says Bond it it says in the amount of and it's blank so you know of course I'm not comfortable signing a document with a blank dollar amount so it's is there is that intended to be blank I would put in words that say the bond would equal the total amount of the debt adjusted annually
okay so so that would go in that spot yes ma'am sounds good and then um just back to the that was just made so that we get a deposit in the town we should designate it separately you know if not if it's not going to go in an escrow account and it's going to go into town so that it's like a separate account specifically for that deposit and not to be in the
general fund or anything absolutely maybe that's implied but absolutely agree it has to be in an absolutely separate fund um for that purpose only which is yeah that purpose only held in escrow period full so we are going to hold it in our escrow unless he comes up with a different uh suggestion between now and a month from under these documents yes ma'am and then is there as the town attorney any risk in US approving this
document to go forward that you can see there's always risk in any construction project but they're they're covered because their full faith in credit as I recall is pledged as well this is not just the debt but it's their project uh that would be the main concern I would have is if construction goes sideways and it
happens there is also a in the contract documents is a performance and payment bonds that the contractor has to put up so the construction of the project is covered under that contract this is The Debt Service after the construction of the project is complete Kevin's correct so that mitigates that complete a lot I recommend adoption in other words to your point that was going to be my
last question do you recommend adoption you've already done this before just about identical in u the sewer project motion would be to I move we approve or authorize the mayor to execute and deliver the bu service fee agreement water bu service fee agreement would the change with the changes
discussed he a motion he made the motion I'll I'll so be it why why are you looking at me well because I thought you would make that motion well I can make it make motion so be second it if you make it okay okay so where are we at she made the motion I'm seconding it you made the motion she strong armed me into it she made it although they don't know cuz they said we sound the same I'm not sure I heard anything
that's what I'm ask all right so we have a motion second down here okay any other comments from the podium hearing none will'll go to the audience quickly pull the council council member Charles yes council member Hayes yes council member warley step council member everard
yes okay next 601 employee recognition before I turn it over over to Charlotte uh I want everybody to know that Kevin if you'd stand up a minute as everybody knows he's retiring this will be his last meeting and uh we just want to take a minute and and thank you from the depths of my heart how much
I appreciate what you've done for the town in this Council the past probably the past year uh we wouldn't be where we're at without you we're definitely going to miss you and after you retire in s months we expect you to be back here but I just want your your expertise will be
missed okay you may go this was actually placed on the agenda by our finance director our human resource director our wear many many hats director um Rachel Osborne so in the town policy it's 3142 employees who use no sick time sick leave from January 1 to January 1 of the following year shall receive two personal days and recognition of the same Town Council shall receive a report in a town council meeting each year
commending these employees we have Miss Eva our town clerk we have Rachel um Jose I'm gonna sabotage his last name B Basera um Miss Anita and she was here earlier she's gone and Jonathan Perez so we'd like to commend all of them for perfect attendance yes very much so no motion um while we're there if I could go ahead on on the anniversaries because
um on our anniversaries if you have seen that but Rachel is on there with our um with 21 years and I think that that should be duy noted I mean very good 21 years um I was trying to see then we have Gary Cooper he has 13 years Jose again with nine years then we have um Michael Asbury with eight and then um we have two employees
who have been here for two years and then we have um two employees who have been here for one year and our Town engineer is one of them so congratulations okay next is 63 service territory and line
extensions okay I'm going to make a quick comment since this is my last meeting and this is I think 10 months of close to five hour meetings I think the Council should seriously consider moving their meetings earlier in the day so that you have important things that are not rushed at the end of the end of the night just a comment service territory um so we have two po two things that are coming up and I'll just get to the first one is there's a mobile
home park that's actually outside of our service territory on the south side of State Road 70 um they are very interested in working with us originally only on the water when it was a 290 unit um mobile home park and then very recently they requested a Wastewater service which would free up property and get allow them to work on a 382 unit um mobile home park so the
the motion by the lpra committee after discussion and Council mman Ur was there and yes uh Mr kley was actually he left but he was here earlier as one of the lpra committee members um was here but their recommended motion was to continue planning not necessarily implementation
but to continue planning on with the mobile home park the original plan and discussion that we had would have run it along um um plid Drive which took in some of the planning area that we were looking at subject sewers conversions the motion was made to look at running it down 27 and across 70 so I fully support the recommendation consider planning it and come back with the council work for
recommendations so without getting into a lot of the details the 27 and 70 route has some benefits but it is also almost three times longer longer so there's benefits and detriments um that'll be something that staff will come back with recommendations as they continue talking about the planning of that and it will tie into future conversations of about capacity and capacity allocations at the Wastewater Plant they're very important
conversations to have and and where you're going to have Direction and that's another reason they need to be a long conversation and very thoughtful conversations that don't need to be done at hour and a half past my bedtime so that's the recommended Mo uh that's the recomendation by lpra and we need some Direction by Council if they agree with the lpra recommendation and I'll answer any other questions that you might have uh do you have do you have um a map
showing where this is going to be and so forth well that's the real question the uh I don't know that I have a map the first do we still have the uh is it sunshine is it sunshine mobile home park no this is a brand new I'm sorry this is a brand new mobile home park on the south side of 70 close to pled Lakes Drive oh oh it's over by pled Lakes
Drive I mean Drive Drive East just east of PL View Drive gotcha thank you okay and I and I believe we had at the meeting I think this is outside of our Planning District
can you get to the Property Appraiser's website I just wanted you to bring it up so you could show them the two routes that were proposed I'll do it this way and
um so the first route would connect at the camping Conference Center water line that has yet to be run and and would run down plasted View Drive all of this area with the exception of 75 homes in here that are served by plasted lakes utilities water only not Wastewater but the water line would run down all the way down to the end of here
so that's the water our water portion of the water line that we were planning you actually the council had approve that design that design is on on hold because of the discussions with the um mobile home park so just so you know that was the connection but the mobile home park would run all the way down plased VI drive and their piece of property is approximately in here on State Road 70 the other route would run across to 27 so it would
come across here go up 27 it would have to go either come in and tie at this point to get back into the water line running North that probably the closest route to get into the lake Serena Drive or continue up here to some point um that's main to maybe tie into our water line at Maine that was last Tuesday's discussion so we haven't vetted it out much um Highway
Park we have a water plant there there's no excess Capac not enough excess capacity that would serve that plant so you would would have to tie into the town system the Magnolia and Serena plants have a excess capacity at the moment of about 2 million gallons a day they're looking for 150,000 gallons a day so there's a lot of excess capacity there from a planning perspective on the water side on the Wastewater side a
little bit different story don't want to get into the details of that at this point because we're only talking about continuing the planning but it does tie in capacity allocation of what you're going to serve and that'll come back as a recommendation based on what you're going to reserve for septic to sewer projects so but those are the two routes one is down 27 which is a recommendation from lpra they don't it's not explicit explicit they did say explore other options because you also have state
road8 as an option which runs along Lake Placid and then comes down so I think that's one one that you leave up to engineers and um utility director and the town engineer combination of Engineers as far as consultants um theirs and ours and come back with a recommendation on cost and the differences that would tie into those and what the benefit that would be so um so that's the
uh put put the cursor on where the park is again please for me it's right in here okay thank you so it's been recommended by for approval yeah it's been recommended by lpra lpra yeah that to uh move forward and and Mr coer the
applicant the I'm sorry the mobile home park engineer could not be here tonight otherwise he would he was at the lpra meeting he just wanted to me to express that they are very interested in working with the town on this on these Pro on this project so it ties into a broader discussion um as to its outside of our planning area so about where our extensions is and it ties in specifically to what the
mayor had brought up earlier on where we reach with the county and how we come back with recommendations and where that's going to be so but it's just a planning recommendation so I agree with it wholeheartedly I'll go ahead and make the motion um to move forward with the planning to serve the mobile home development second we got a motion to Second any further discussion take it to the
audience bring it back pull the council please council member Charles yes council member Hayes yes council member everard yes okay next is 64 Grant priority recommendations uh well we got a second part of the line extension so let me hit that one first still on the same agenda item um oh I'm
sorry there was a second one yeah I apologize I'll bring the map up first just so and the property owners here so he'll speak to this I'll bring the map um there is something that's not covered under our current policy and so we brought up recommendations our policy addresses development and the extension of water lines by developers it does not address extension of water lines by individuals and so in this case we have
an individual that lives on tyoga lane tyoga lane comes off of Lake June Road which is where our water line is Mr clone is here but his house and his neighbor's house are these two houses that I'm circulate Circ circling sorry here so the proposal is to run a water line from here up tyoga
lane to serve these two properties so you get an idea of where that's at um there was a lot of discussion at lpra let me pull up there I had five options for this um on how we wanted to proceed if you need an individual map
then he brought them if you want if you want that if you got an idea where it's at so um and let me go back real quick to the map sorry so his proposal was to run a line which is an individual and this was the motion approved by L so you know was to run an inch and a half line that will serve only his two houses it would be his line the meter would be at Lake June Road and it would be his line not available for anybody
else to tie into because the line will be too small for any other services our recommenda our recommendation was is that we run an 8 inch line up to this point and put a hydrant here so that future service would be for this area and the rest of the area in there he got prices from both on both of those routes so if his to run his line is 39,000 give or take to run
our proposal which would be the put the hydrant here in 8 inch line and then him finishes about $100,000 $60,000 difference so where the 60 comes from and whether you what your policy or pleasure is is the real question therefore you had these options allow him to run the inch andout service line Tire distance run an 8 inch Main and then run the hydrant to his house and then who
and the question is who foots the bill for that extra different difference um and the other real discussion on this is we need to come up with some type of policy which is again a much broader longer discussion about where and how we're going to extend our Mains we've had a hit and miss in the past we've had individuals that we required them to foot the bill and they spent a significant amount of money to run a large line on South um Huntley Drive we've also run individual extensions um
specifically down um lagoni Lane um so we've done it both ways we don't have a written policy we need to develop a written policy but we need some Direction by Council and in this case lupra made a recommendation in time and without committing funds from you to run the inch and a half line down to house if the council had the pleasure that we were going to will kicking in 60,000 out of our Capital Improvement
fund then we would run the 8 inch line put the hydr in and he'd run his he'd contribute his share of it to run 30 39,000 back really he's contributing the bigger line but he's contributing still the same amount of money he gets a hydrant closer to his house um and then we have our set up for future service so it's entirely up to the pleasure of the council how you want to do that but again it leads to a broader discussion that we need to have
which again ties back to mayor's uh comments on this on the council is where where we go we need some policies we need some pre procedure set up as we plan for these expansions um we literally have Council has approved waterline designs for every place we were going to extend septic to sewer that we did not have water lines we have two or three other projects sitting there four to five million do in waterline extensions and it does not include this
area it does not include Lake Henry Drive there's a number of places that you could extend waterline service um so that's a broader discussion but for tonight uh you have those options you have the lpra recommendation which is option one um and so I just need to know what the council's pleasure is and the utilities group recommended option one utilities group recommended
option one with Pam voting no um and I'll give you the reasoning for Pam who's so you know who Pam Brewer is she is on the board of plastic Lake Placid Lakes utilities um so she is everybody sitting on that board truly the utilities expert but anyway the issue the only issue with running the inch and a half line there's not the only issue there's a number of issues if you from a
planning perspective and a utilities perspective from a homeowner property owner perspective it serves his needs and he gets it done quickly so um but if this person wants to run then he runs another inch and a half line in the county right away and services his house if this one runs in then he runs a third line down this County Runway and services his house and so on and so on and you end up with a whole lot of inch and a half lines in the county run right away that is not a
typical utility practice so um if we come in here with and that is a single service the meter would go here it would be his Line running down serving that area because we're not going to be responsible for that line running all the way down the county Runway it's a little problematic if the council decided to take money out of the capital Improvement fund then we would put the 8 inch in the hydrant here and that would eliminate a lot of this area or where
you would expand in the future so but again that's if you want to commit the funds out of the capital Improvement fund Capital Improvement fund at the moment is stressed um because of all of the grants and so we're using that fund to pay the grants while we wait in reimbursement so it is a stress area it's but it's still doable the 60,000 is doable out of capital Improvement fund if that's the way you wanted to go or you can take the loop
recommendation um as far as allowing him to move forward so we do have to have if we're doing a main extension it's a DP permit it's design plans it's a little bit different animal so and joy if I missed anything councilman alard if I missed anything please add it in what was that I said if I missed anything please add it in since you were at that meeting so Kevin can you just when you say
Capital Improvement fund you mean the Utility Fund utility F the infrastructure fund uity f not general fund this is Enterprise cap but we have we have a we have three funds in the Utility Fund we have a water um there's a water fund for building specifically for building new water plants there's a sewer fund for specifically for building new sewer plants and then there's a capital Improvement fund which we contribute money into every year it's part of our budget to contribute money into that Capital fund and any money
that we have left over at the end of the year goes into that so it builds up it builds up slowly and we pull out capital projects and and this year we're putting 50 in we had 50 approved by the council to take out so it's a wash so it's just money we don't spend that may increase that fund um but yes that's a specific Fund in the utilities department and I will add that this whole all came about because your well is not the water is not good correct
correct have you is there an option to do another well or put a purification on your system it's a pretty it's a pretty tiny lot um to give you a little history and I'll start with introducing myself my name is Bill clone uh the property address is 37 tyoga Lane I'm here representing the William clone 1996 irrevocable land trust and my neighbor
Mark Phil Tran we embarked upon these discussions about a year ago with Mr Murray and Mr mccarth The Hope back then was that there would be a grant available to upssize the line rather than just doing the inch and a half lines I don't know the details of it but the grant failed so then we went to plan B and plan B was to uh consult with um Davidson engineering my civil
engineer and Kusa site development Inc who I've done a lot of work with over the years they're a licensed utility contractor uh so where we are now is the grant failed uh we'd like to get the water run down my neighbor and I have agreed to contribute 39,000 to either our own inch and a half line or to give that to the uh town and then you could do your upsizing and move there with the um in
speaking with Kevin you know it could be many many years and I don't know if many is three or 10 but we'd kind of like to get it behind us and have water with the understanding that if the um larger line came in at a future date that they would abandon our line and then we would hook into the new
line personally I I am not in that's a another dilemma I not in favor of the inch and a half lines because then the next one will wants one and the next one wants one but what to do I don't know and I would add that I pulled all my neighbors hey knock on the door would you like to contribute would you like to get in on this and the only the only takers were myself and my neighbor
Mark have we done this anywhere else like I said the South Huntley drive line so there's actually three examples but the South humle Drive let me see if I can find it real quick
um there's an extension that runs along here um that we requireed ired the homeowner foot the entire Bill and he came in he tied in came in across here and tied in so that he could build a new house approximately in here but don't hold me to it he footed that entire Bill no pioneering agreement he paid for the entire line including a hydrant um and spent at that time that was when I first got on board
so he spent $80,000 approximately instead of doing a $25,000 well so he spent significant money to get on Town property no pioneering agreement so anybody else that ties in and I'm not sure that anybody else has um because I don't track individual connections but anyway so he footed that entire bill on lagoni Lane so here's the two examples so we've
split both ways we allowed these two houses or three houses to come in and they ran a service off of Lake June Road and they served these three houses we've had interest from these that have been interested in also attaching but they would have to come back to Lake June Road and run all the way down to get water service because this is an inch and a half line and it won't serve any more houses everybody
will lose their water pressure and they won't have any of it so we've had examples both ways we had a developer on Peach Tree but again he was developing I say developer he's building six town homes not a large development six town homes he paid for an extension from Lake June Road over here where he built the first of the town homes and he paid for that extension we have since had I know in this case at least two of these homeowners that took advantage of that and have connected since then and they
didn't weren't required to connect pay into that piece or he didn't get any of his money back from that piece of it so those are the three examples that we've had that I know of in the last three years that we're all over the board on so so tell me the problem with the water existing water today the wells gone dry or it's just it's just bad bad water and the um the neighbor uh is complaining that he's got to have his
well serviced over and over and over you know regularly and dumps eight grand into the well and it fails just bad water so yours is bad water his is a bad well is that what I'm here both both what does a bad well mean it's just not pumping besides the bad and is bad water sulfur or what's the bad yeah there were there weren't enough tanks by Culligan
to get the sulfur smell out enough tanks say that again uh they make purific and I'm not a well guy but they have purific purification tanks that you can connect to your well in series to try to clean up the water to no avail and that didn't work no and as a last resort believe this or not I did a little experiment and I was
drawing water from the lake to shower in oh yuck Kevin what would your recommendation be oh from a utility standpoint I would recommend that we take 60,000 out of the
capital fund and do it properly so we have an 8 in extension line we have a hydrant we can serve those houses if with fir flow or the fire fire departments can um so that we're planning we can't do that we until we have a policy or we do something on a Case by case we have to do it on a case-by casee basis for this because but in this case you have an opportunity it would have come in and what he's referring to when we started
talking a year ago we thought the camp and Conference Center would be done we thought we would be doing a number of the these water projects and septic to sewer projects and that we would be asking the council to come in with a large srf funding request and then we would have a combination Grant loan to do these waterline extensions none of that has materialized we're no closer today than we were well we're slightly closer you approved a bulk service agreement so you can't have
two water srf loans we have to complete the camping Conference Center first and then we can bring forward line extensions in a broader area and what we want to do with the water utility and how we're going to serve that regionally so my recommendation from a utility standpoint is we should do it properly and spend the money and if we're going to serve if we're interested in doing that then we take the money and do it the way it should be done so 60,000 to run the 8 in line is
that what you said yes because he' be contributing his still same going to go that includes what he's already contributing yeah the total price the total price estimate that he had was $999,000 for an 8 inch line for an 8 inch line that would cover the quotes I had the quotes in I think originally and a inch and a half you said was
395 hold they're they're here oh no they don't okay he he had three quotes the uh well actually he had three because he had one doing under directional board the entire route but that was 138,000 138 38,000 if you did a directional board the entire way instead of open cutting portions of it
so you could do a directional bore from Lake June Road all the way up to Blackfoot and then finishes service line the rest of the way that's $138,000 the uh $999,000 version as you do a directional board just under Lake June Road you open cut this so you trench this in up to blackoot that's the
100,000 and then the inch and a half finish is off up there that's an 8 inch line to this point with a hydrant again these are estimates that are from October so that should be relatively accurate what's our water tap in fee system development charge system development charge but that again that's just for capacity is $3,200 or something like that I mean my
question is how long how many houses would it take us to recover the 60 Grand I don't think you'll ever recover the 60 Grand off of those capacities most of our expansions are intended to be done by developers which is why it's written in the code that way the developer pays the entire cost right that's why it's a little different than a homeowner that wants to tap in but the developer in this in this case you're going to into existing an existing area
if we were doing an srf loan 70% Grant 30% so we're a little flip-flopped on that so we'd be if we took this and he's contributing 40,000 it's a 640 but we're taking the 60 instead of the 30 40 so it's a little flip-flop but you are having somebody cover a portion of the cost if you're thinking about it that way as opposed to an srf loan our system development
charges are written to for plant capacity not for line extensions so of just and the line extensions are like everything else they have doubled in price um over the last three years so that's they're substantially more expensive than they used to be and I noticed bill was very careful to say he'd pay up to the 39,000 when there is a cost overrun who eats that if there's a cost underrun that's what we got we have to get a
price from a contractor actual price real price new price that is a real price I mean he has a quote but again October so you'd have to get an updated price do we have it designed no it's just an estimate phone going to pay the design price so we can go bid and see if it fits the budget so that's a entire discussion Mr clone and what the pleasure of the council is is where we go
next and then whatever it is we're setting a precedent for the next row down the next row down well right now you have right now you have no precedent because you've had you're you've you've got an example of I don't know what your precedent is because you've required it different ways for different people and so there isn't a precedent it needs to be a policy discussion brought back and uh Mr Warner and I have already had that discussion he's working on code of
standards that he's bringing from Manatee County which he likes and they're starting to work on that so they'll bring back a policy recommendation it's still going to be you're still going to have the because of the way our entire system has been developed over time you're still going to have the one-off questions that are going to come up on a Case by case I don't think you're going to address every instance of what happens in our service territory you have a very large service territory you have a regional utility that's
relatively new and it's a little different so I can't say that once you set a policy it's going to take be in effect for everybody but at least you will have a policy and the intention is to bring those policies back um probably while I'm gone um but anyway before as part of your you're going to have rate recommendations from Florida R water you're going to have a rate increase
recommendation coming up for your budgets you need these policy recommendations to come in that will also change your capacity charges um based on new numbers not numbers that are close to 20 years old so there's a lot of things in the works that this is truly a kind of a one-off decision that you need to make and then you need a policy that addresses it and this is the farthest line I mean the other ones that you showed didn't
look like they came that far um well we thought we had funding let me back up yeah I what concerns me is $60,000 could be more right because of cost and time and design and everything like that to serve two homes and I really feel bad I mean I'm I'm torn too um to try to help in some way but to 60,000
where none of these neighbors are interested in hooking up that's a problem right and so then it's you know kind of the rever back is he pays for the expenses to get water to his house and that was a recommendation by LPR was option one he pays the inch and a half line and he has service to his house all the costs related to that right M I think that that's why we have lak and so I think we should follow follow
their guide and so I would make a motion that we go with option A which was if I could see it again I'll give you the loop P flipping back and forth here option one option one thank you to allow him to run the 1 and a half in service uh the entire distance just supplying his house it's back it's basically you and your neighbor right that is correct okay I'll second it but just to be clear it's at his cost
correct that yeah that's what's up under here that's not see right but I just want to make sure the motion is at his cost I'll second it okay we have a motion second any other discussion from the podium saying none from the audience bring it back PLL the councel council member Hayes yes council member Charles yes council member warley yes
council member everard yes okay thank you for staying till 11 o'clock for this yes almost good morning on a on another note on a prior agenda item with the uh playground I have a passion for metal working I welded my way through college I would like to uh see if I can help get a uh a vendor that
I use up one of my projects to who's in the welding business I licensed an insured welder that if you would like us to take a look at it to see what we can do we would be happy to do that absolutely thank you maybe you can get your contact information to Charlotte thanks Bill thank you okay thank
you all right now we 64 Grant priority recommendation so the next D Grant we won't delve into this long but the next D Grant opening should be in may you have an opportunity to apply for another Federal earmark about that same time maybe slightly after that the summer so if we need time to prepare grants and go out for those applications so you need to set some priorities at
least for the next couple of Grant applications that your um that you want staff to pursue the uh I listed a I listed my priority recommendations um and so I combined we had to pull out of the the contracts that you um approved in December left out due to funding
situations that left out the Force main between the marata and Main Street lift station and the Main Street lift station to the Wastewater to the north plant we don't have funding to do close the tamoka plant and run those Force Mains build that lift station and run that Force main up County Road 17 into the new plant so we will be as it stands today we'll be running the brand new
plant with the flows of what we're currently running in the north plant and the flows from the south plant because those projects are Bid so it's my recommendation to combine priority items one two and three into your next Grant application with d so this does not accomplish any septic to sewer conversions as part of the grant but it does bring um does close the tamoka plant
which takes that effluent off of flowing into Lake Henry and it does close the Lake June Hills plant if it's awarded and takes that Lake June Hills flows directly into Lake June so um it does accomplish those two the other items um are in whatever order you really choose again I just listed them in mine uh the motion made
by lpra um by Pam Brewer second by Jack comley was to combine projects one two and three into the next D Grant application and then the grants remaining grants listed as the engine item except removing Placid Lakes entirely from the project list so you know that here's your list it left them in
this order it took um plet Lakes out so left Lake June North Road in but just took place at Lakes North out so the council needs to make some recommendations to staff so we know what grants to pursue next so you do not have to make a decision tonight you can bring it if you want to think about it or bring it back on at the March meeting but that's kind of the deadline if you're going to have
a grant applied for a May for a May decision on that why did they pull PL Lakes out completely um as I stated earlier Pam Brewer sits on the board of placid Lakes so I can't speak for Pam Brewer but she's on the board of placid Lakes um water utility right so I think that she's expressing the opposition to pled Lakes to the or at least her portion of representation of pled Lakes being in a septic to sewer
project so basically they had their their sewer plant covered no no there is no sewer being provided by pled Lakes other in a very small area there is no plan for septic to sewer okay for plasted Lakes utilities they can cannot apply for Grants they a private for-profit utility regulated by the Public Service Commission right so but there is some dissension about the town expanding
into Placid Lakes okay that is not 100% of all of the residents like everything there's people that would very much appreciate um I being one of them living on Lime Road um having a utility come in there but and taking care of my septic tank but it is not a unanimous decision by any stand point but that was the that was the recommended motion by lpra so when you ask why I can only assume that it's
because she lives in it represents the plastic L utilities board so the top three that they're recommended is 5 Milli 150 that's what the grant you would go forward with that would be the request at one point you would like us to prioritize everything else we need yeah if that's the D Grant I need a second one to go for if we're going to go for a federal earmark then
we need two oh two gotta so we need my recommendation to be combined one two and three that should be the D application and then we need a second one that we go for a federal ear Mark so rupac then said four six and seven as the next three but there's no dollar amounts they didn't say they said the rest of the project list they didn't list a four five and six they just said the rest of the project list in order except removing plid
Lakes is that Council art accurate okay is there an estimated dollar amount that you feel Max of the grants that we could so I'll give you a conversation we had with the director of the grant division almost a year ago when we were reducing the scope of our project list Mitch Homes at
D um their funding has dwindled significantly from where it was when we got the $40 million grant that was a huge influx of federal money that came in and gave them that grant funding he said do not expect um grants more than typically between five And1 million is what he indicated at that time he said that's subject to annual funding by the state so assuming they get in at that point I believe um 100
million a year distributed throughout the state to the different areas now last year they gave Indie River Lagoon $100 million they also mandated that all 12,000 septic tanks be either put on Central server s sewer or converted to the updated septic tank by 2030 so they put funding along with that it did not cover all of it but there are other grants and tax dollars put in to cover
that dollar amount for Indian liver grin that was a very specific bill pass pass by the legislature that forc those septic to sewer conversions um but 5 to 10 million what was indicated to us that we could expect if you apply for something larger than that don't expect to see it we have been denied the last three Grant applications one at 25 million one at 15 million and one at 500,000 for the last three years we had the conversation just before we applied
for the 500,000 D said they don't like stacking money they wanted to see us under construction on the plant we are under construction we are currently have a February completion date however there is some concern um based on our last Tuesday meeting the icon building which is the control building they are currently saying and we don't have verification or final verification on whether it's the whole
building are just part of it that they w we won't have that piece of equipment until Jan December or January next year which made but delay the plant by several months so again we think the building will come in a lot sooner it maybe just be some of the drives which will then just delay the plant by maybe a month but that ties in with where that is so we got denied they don't like stacking money so we've been uned the last three times I think we're in a very good
position doesn't make any sense for them to funding a new Wastewater Plant and leave our tamoka plant offline or not upgraded we would be required to upgrade the plant if we don't get it tied into the new plant so we would be spending significant dollars on the tamoka plant but I fully expect D will help fund that BL station enforc meting that needs to be done how old are these dollar amounts do
you think I have updated those dollar amounts the ones that you I didn't go to down the entire list um but I updated those dollar amounts based on the most current bids that we've gotten for Forest Mains and lift stations so we had did they did those bids also include connection lines the I'm I'm below one two and three if you look at one two and three those aren't connections those are just
for so I'm below those now right now you go to Lake June Road the 2.6 does not include funding all of the connections along Lake June Road although it does include some of that that's basically double what was um double was originally looked at along Lake June Road so we we increased that number significantly if you include and that was part of my earlier write up federal earmarks we requested let me
back up so we requested 7 million last year with a federal a Mark we're anticipating two and a half we don't know where that will take us on the North Lake plet Project Federal air marks don't currently require any connections so we're going to put in the backbone nothing requires a connection D funding is now requiring connections so
that's why it's kind of important the way it was listed that if you're going for a federal earmark you can run a backbone not require connections along Lake J Road or if you decided to do Southtown which is all gravity that's a choice for the council to make whether you're going to take care of inside town limits versus the Lakes that's a toss up from my perspective you know like I said my first number one priority because it's 700 homes dumping directly
into canals going into Lake June is plasted Lakes but that's not where I listed that so again that's personal and not utilities these issues are get in the microphone these issues are the ones that um we've got to study with the county um and need the L like plastic Regional utility to weigh in on how we
work with the county how we come up with the analysis of gravity versus this low pressure um what the county wants to do in their jurisdiction what you want to do in yours that's the that's what the mayor was talking about earlier in the evening that needs to be studied totally agree one two and three got to be designated so we can get on with that Grant there's no hookup issue there I think we'll need for you know
the the rest shortly but do you think it can wait until June until we work through that issue with the county or do we need to designate one or two before the county but we still have to come up with the discussions with the county of how we're doing hookups who's managing that yeah if you approve something other than Southtown you do your federal earmark request I believe was due in June or
July I don't recall a due date I think they said as soon as March but uh which means we could kick this back a month but you won't be here council is after the election we were trying to do a special meeting it's better than mine so well I was going back because I was trying to reset the priorities Grant priorities but we could not get a quorum to have that special meeting so we went on the federal earmark request with the priorities of the previous Council had set therefore
it was April or May that we had to have it was before before the May meeting so it was April that you had to have the Fe Federal aark request in so it was after the election but before the May meeting so you can push this to March if you want to make that decision in March but you won't have answers from the county so if you want to make the federal aark safe then I would suggest
you designate Southtown and use that as your next federal earmark request because we don't know what's going to happen with the county and then our local agreement like I said timing wise it will be decided long before you get the money or ready to do the project so that's again I me
so do we know the number of Southtown Southtown I believe believe was 7 A5 million when it was estimated four years ago so I think it'll be double that based on everything we've been seeing the um the lift station from the time we bid the camping Conference Center to this year doubled in price in one year the lift station doubled in price so Southtown will
require several lift stations and your road paving expenses have all doubled and all the rest of the lines have doubled so um that's why I'm saying you're looking I believe at a $15 million project to do all of Southtown it was designed as two separate projects so it's an easy split back into those two separate projects again if you only get two and a half million you're going to shrink that down to what it will fit so you may only do a block or two blocks or three blocks
whatever that fits in those gravity lines and the lift station that has to accomplish that so until we get to that point and we have funding and then we go out to bid will we know we just have to structure the bids on a line item basis so we can shrink that shrink those projects to fit so but for tonight you're just asking us to if we concur with the Utilities Commission to go for one two
and three at the very minimum I need one two and three if you want to wait and decide on number the second project that you will need before April because that Federal aark request if you're going to make a federal aark request I need a second Grant so one two and three is one Grant D application if you approve it tonight we need a second item to go for the federal ear Mark which you can whatever additional information you
want but you could do that in March at the March meeting but you do have to make a decision on a second Grant if you're going to request a federal aark we need to know what what to apply for and if it was South Plant because it's gravity that would then buy the time for the county discussion on what they are doing is that correct Mr attorney yes yes
um did you see my email today from Mitch I did not he can Mitch confirmed that the town and the county can both apply and they' be evaluated separately now that's the D hookups would be required on that one so then we get that circles back to the gravity low pressure discussion which has to go through this Council as well as the County Commission if we're out in the
county um your point is well made just I I am not recommending you wait 30 days I'm right I'm struggling also right and at 30 days from now I can give you a better answer on earmark timing and whether or not I mean what I I asked that very question what I was told that Appropriations Committee has not set the guidelines yet I suspect
they don't have a clue we've got a new president of that's going to sort out real quick but it would be my luck if I said wait the deadline would be Mark here we are maybe we can do Southtown tentatively and if we don't have a better answer we'll do the year mark request and we need to get to the county and get them to make a request with d uh we ours will be filled with those
three um I don't know what else to say tonight I am shocked as well at this hour I that's where I was is one two three sounds very logical and then next if we have because we need to we should apply for a second then four for um South Plant South Town six is kind of like the
more faster easier gravity t million you're sitting sitting there saying and then I do like what you say maybe it's as a tentative right now and then if something were to change I guess we can come back but I just we know one two and three now I do that motion yeah yeah yeah yeah do were you are you saying skip four and just do one two and three and one motion that's fine one two and three and one motion and
then you're just going six yeah yes and the reason is because six is Gravity the others are all these grinder pumps that there was a lot of controversy and feedback on so and they're in the county they're not your jurisdiction yeah we need to make that so that's why I skip down to six because it's gravity yeah and and it's just an extension of town right yes so I'll make that well do we want to do it in two motions you can do it one
I'd say combine one two and three and then add half of Southtown and we'll determine because it's only half a sou South it's only going to be half of South toown um so realistically you're not going to get more out of the current legislative environment we don't know if ear marks will even happen it's kind of Pies back into the USAA discussion that all federal funding is frozen grants loans all of it when is the FD application due last year it opened in May was due
in I think it was opened May and June so okay so that'll be timely no it won't we're we're behind but that's the discussion we need to have with lak and then get it to the county immediately so well because they need to apply for these right but lpra already made the motion to combine one two and three yeah those are done and so those are done so and then follow the rest they just followed the rest of the recommendation so lpra wouldn't be involved in the
Grant application or the federal earmark we would just move forward they will be involved in everything thing that goes that we discussed in the mayor moving forward with the county and how we address all of those issues that's where lpra will take the lead on some of that my point is we need the interlocal agreement with the county their code our code and their decision as to which how they're going to do the hookups because these others require hookups
yes and we need to get them involved so like I said it's been a I'm a lake advocate so it's been a challenge for me but we also need to take care of our town limits and we have not I was proud to say in cliston that I finished we had no more septic tanks in kiston when I finished our septic sewer conversion project it had been going on for 20 years but I was proud to say we have no more septic tanks in Clon half of our town is on septic tanks and so we still need or in that neighborhood so we
still need to take care of what's in town and so so I'm fine I mean there's no argument discussion from my standpoint of Southtown versus the other it's just a if I could add one thing and that's to kind of run out from under the issue to the microphone though yes I hate that damn um I agree with Kevin this grant was really to clean lakes and I would put
Southtown Below in priority of these Lake grants the issue of SE um Gravity versus low pressure we're going to have to face um and quite frankly it's going to be in the county areas first and I think we need to Enlighten the county give them their options and let them decide so I guess if we don't
have anything else figured out yes Southtown or half of it but I'd sure like to take a run at enlightening the county getting them to apply for a grant through uh D maybe an air mark as well that way we're getting double coverage um my my recommendation is going to be that you look at the math the Allin all done numbers
on um both gravity and low pressure and make the decision based on the numbers and that includes pumps and maintenance and hookup right oh absolutely absolutely and destruction of the old septic tank I'd gather that data and give it to the county and say what you want to do I had a question on the um South
Town were you going to um of course they don't have have to do anything with their electric because it's gravity so they don't have to put a lift station but what about the um crashing in the septic putting filling in back filling the septic and the hookup fees is that all going to be included that would typically be included in the Grant application as an all-in cost okay so I knew somebody had asked me that so thank you
P Pinterest so I follow this um issue more than any so um so the 40 million D Grant water quality protect the Lakes the lake lake plid is an impaired water body D um Washington DC it's it's an official lake Lake June or Lake June is an impaired water body um you have cfish
Creek which the plasta Lakes canals leading catfish Creek that dump into Lake June on the North side the the public beach area has been closed due to feal contamination for years for decades um Lake plastic camping Conference Center you've been trying to get in sewer up and running for over four years I understand this delay that delay as of today it's not up and running um I was at utilities meeting uh
last week or whenever it was my my understanding they motion to do one two and three and I agree with that the Placid Lakes uh Pam Brewer did mention that I didn't know that she or the committee voted to completely strike plasted Lakes forever from this list and then the last thing I'll say is last year that same committee voted for the prioritizing of these projects to be
Southtown Lake Serena Lake Pearl there was another one the following week This Town Council voted Lake Mirror Drive North Lake Placid South Lake Placid something else understand every year y'all can make changes and you have to because it was over bid and you had to do tamoka list station or whatever list station and add to it but um the purpose is for water quality of our legs our water bodies and and if that that I
think that has to be key you're asking we've discussed a fertilizer ordinance for the town of Lake plaid you're and and where is predominantly that I know it' be ordinance wide but it is I think along the Lakes catfish Creek the plasa Lakes canals that's your hot in my opinion your hot spot so take that in consideration please
so it's 11:25 I'll make a motion and I'll make a motion that we approve I got you go up to the yep the one two three four there we go yes uh that we approve moving forward with one two and three on this project list um for the legislative Grant D Grant that's the D
Grant okay and then the second would be for the legislation okay so for the de D Grant one two and three and um and I'll and also for a legislative grant for of South Town legislative earmark legislative earmark earmark that's right Congressional ear Mark Congressional ear Mark Congressional ear Mark for um the
portion of Southtown and you're going to have to decide how to split that and the dollar that we could obain or even pursue yeah second all right we got a motion to Second any further discussion from the podium hearing none any more from the audience are you back Council council member Charles yes council member Hayes yes council member warley yes council
member everard yes thank you okay so we got that going all right last thing on the agenda is 7c Town fees and establishing a fee scheduled Workshop thank you mayor I think everyone's read the statement of issue we had a workshop scheduled and um we had lack of Quorum so we were unable to have that so we need to reschedule that Workshop so that
we can go through all of the information I wanted to highlight that um we have a capacity to accommodate up to 180 people in the community room and based off of um from the time that we checked it from year to date it we had approximately 140 rentals last year and then the need for the structured fees system has arose due to lack of clear guid lines in the past was
being rented out from anywhere between 0 to 50 and right now because because we have been on a standstill we have not charged anything for the use of this room at this time because we need to come back and establish this so I don't know when Council wants to look at that I was looking at the third week of March the what of March the third week of March I I think the um one of the challenges with this Workshop is if you put it at 2 o'clock in the afternoon the
mayor can't come and I think we need the mayor um so we need to and of course I work too but I'm a little different in that I can for the most part with with the exception of Monday and Friday I can move my schedule around the mayor can't do that I I can to a point uh I think if we get it out to March I can put it on the calendar and we'd be fine but we just need to set a date that everybody's comfortable with and and that people also that the public would come um you
know I mean we want we can't once again if we put it at two o'clock in the afternoon business owners aren't going to be able to come most of the time so yeah just just my two sets I would suggest if we do it that way just following suit with some of the um workshops that I know they're a little different from what central Florida Regional planning is going to do but they created a start and an end time that way we're not here all night be council meeting 5:30 to
7:30 yeah that would work I agree with y i I also like the comment that was made maybe we should start these a little earlier because going to midnight right is you're not going to get in right well if if if if it's going to be this way my recommendation would be we go back to having two meetings a month changed it yeah yeah no two meetings a month please don't we well I know but your staff will
not me well all of us we finish with one before another one is underway please consider moving it up to four rather than two point well that and that's a good point I'm glad you said that because if you look because I was looking at it we literally when you think about staff preparation and everything that goes into it there is a lot of work so right now we have the lake pla planning agency and board adjustment on March 3rd then we have
Lake pla Regional utility on March 4th so literally they're back to back then we have Lake community redevelopment Agency on March 6th and then we have Town Council on the 10th so to say that we're running around like chickens with our head cut off is very much an understatement and I think our staff will attest to that so just something for y'all to take into account so let's pick a date and go home yes pick a date I was just thinking because of those dates that maybe the third week
would be better because of having so much in the one week Town Council is the following week on March 10th so then it leaves honestly the really the 17th through the 21st and you can move it to the 24th to the 27th it's up to you I was just suggesting not the 17th that's race week oh yeah you're stay away from race we yeah yeah that too but it's race week that's more
important the 10th through the 13th or 14th 10th through the 16th okay yes it is 10th through thank you right the race is the 15th yeah so we could go the week after 17 to 22 it's horrible for me doesn't matter I can make it work it's pleasure which one which one
works for y'all what's what dates you have between the 17th through the 21st Monday through Friday I would stay away from St Patty's Day stay away from St Patrick's Day yeah I'd stay away from Friday so no Monday no Friday so we have it 18th 19th and the how about how about Tuesday night the 18th okay March 18th at 5 o'
five to seven five five to seven okay five to seven all right we need a motion we don't need a motion we'll just do it okay all right anybody got anything um just real quick I was I think we're all invited but I did attend the Brighton Bay uh Casino grand opening last Thursday very impressive um they actually have um a
big event center with um uh um lots of great shows and uh a 10 Lane Bowling Alley included it so um brand new I mean they were so proud they were proud to have representative from um Lake Placid Sebring okachobee and mor Haven so I just thank however I got that invitation but it was a Class Act event and they were glad to have us cool
thanks for going councilwoman Worley won't say it but she went to oh I didn't see you did you stay at lunch all right anything else come before councel all right guys good night night you don't have to say good morning this time