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Placid budget workshop. Uh it's 5:31 on Thursday, July 30th. At this point, um if everybody would stand and I'm going to do the invocation and I'm going to ask Chief Snder, our

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standard veteran, uh to do the pledge. Dear heavenly father, as we gather here tonight for the first workshop on the new budget, we ask for your presence and your guidance. Grant us wisdom to make decisions that honor the trust of our community has placed in us. Help us the

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with help us to use the resources before us with integrity, clarity, and a commitment to serving the people of Lake Placid. Lord, bless the collaboration that will take place tonight among staff, council, and the public. Help us listen with patience, speak with

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respect, and value the ideas and [clears throat] perspectives that each person brings. As this is our first draft, we know the conversation may be passionate. Let the passion lead us towards choices that strengthen our town and reflect your guidance in all we do.

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We ask your blessing on this meeting and on all who are gathered here tonight. Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Eva, please take the role. >> Mayor Charles, >> here. >> Council member Royce >> here. >> Council member Hayes >> here. Council member Sap >> here. >> Council member

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>> here. >> Okay. And uh we're having some technical difficulties so the audio and some limited videos available. I understand the camera may only be on the council

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and um the charts won't be on the screen for anybody who's streaming in. Um, so I want to thank everybody for being here tonight as we began our first workshop on the 2627 fiscal year budget. Earlier this year,

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the council approved a maximum millage of 3.65% and tonight's draft budget reflects that direction. I want to begin by recognizing Rachel Osborne, our finance director, and our staff. They've worked extremely hard to

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get us to this point. This budget was still being finalized as we were preparing tonight's packet. The ink practically hadn't dried when it went out the door last night. Their effort, accuracy, and commitment to presenting a clear and responsible first draft to

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deserves our appreciation. This is a working session. It's meant to be open, collaborative, and transparent. Staff, council, and the public each bring valuable insight, and I encourage respectful, constructive dialogue as we move through the material. First drafts

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always generate lively discussion that is expected and welcome. It helps us refine the final product and ensures our decisions are grounded in both fiscal responsibility and community priorities. Tonight, we'll begin with a budget overview followed by departmental

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summaries. After each department summary, we'll pause for council comments, then go to the audience and then move on to the next department. If time does not permit, we'll continue at our next budget workshop which is uh a week from today, August 6, where we'll

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also discuss this. It's August 4th, right? But it's a week from today. >> So the fourth is Loop. >> No, fourth is Lupre. Joy. Yeah. August 6, a week from today is the next budget workshop meeting. um where that meeting

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we're going to do CRA and the utilities budget because we wanted the utilities budget to go to the loop meeting on Tuesday first and then also fee changes and I think we may even be able to finish up the complete budget um and not have that third uh workshop but it's

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there if needed. So let's go ahead and begin. Um if Eva can put up what what we did is a couple overview charts on this chart here. I just want to quickly jump to the millage of 3.65%. Last year was a million two. Where did

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it go to? >> Which one are we doing? >> The one you just had up. >> Sorry. >> I think there's two of us trying to do it. >> Go ahead. >> The chart that was just up there right there. No. Who's got the mouse? >> Whichart?

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>> The one she just had. >> No, the one that says budget assumptions. >> Oh, okay. You're still on that. Okay. Sorry, just go to the regular packet. >> There we go. All I was saying is the the line that says millillage

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>> is 3.65%. Um last year was 1276. This year estimated 138. So an increase of 103,000. And just for perspective, at the meeting where we were setting the highest level, uh one suggestion was

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what happens if it's 3.5? If it were 3.5, it's about 53,000 less. So, just to kind of put that out there for perspective. [clears throat and cough] Okay. Um, and so now these are some of the assumptions and some of the dollars

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that are in this budget. If we go up to the first one, salaries, what we're um what we've estimated here is a 5% salary increase, which is 1% cola and four up to 4% merit. and we will administer that

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based on performance. So, it's not across the board. Everybody gets 5%. It depends on where they are in salary, what their performance is. Uh but that 119,000 is the increase in the budget for salaries. So, therefore, we're not

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going to go over everybody's salaries and benefits because these are what we've baked in. Um the FRS system, Florida retirement is 4.5% across all classes. So that's an increase of 25,000.

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Um not to be surprised but you know insuranceances have gone up and that's about just around 10% that we're estimating and then the health insuranceances have also increased for 7 and a half%. So these are numbers that

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are already included in the budget. Um, and then go down further, Eva, to the and these will come out when we do the enterprise funds, but for the sanitation, we're looking at about a 3% rate increase. More will come when we discuss that um enterprise. And then the

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wastewater and the water system um are going to have five and 8% respective. And that's pretty much from the Florida rural and water. And I'm going to clip through three charts and then I'll open it up for discussion before we go into the departments if that's okay. Um, a couple

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other things that you're going to see changes from last year and these are just departmental changes is administration and legal are going to be at the gross level except for the enterprise. In the past we would do prorated prorated of the those costs to

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every single department. it it makes more sense to keep them at a single level so we can manage those costs to see if they're going up or or down versus diluting them down into the department. Uh we've combined the cultural department which is primarily

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was Lake June Park with the recreation. So now you'll see recreation and parks are all of the parks that we have in the town. Um and then the horiculture department was separate. you know, that's pretty much your um insecticides

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and um irrigation and that we've combined that with streets and roads. So, it's it's proper that we do it, but when you do a year-over-year comparison, sometimes it looks like, oh, you know, streets and roads has gone way up, but we've combined it with horiculture in

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the past. And then this allows more sharing of chemicals, sharing of equipment um of the departments that are using it versus separate departments. [clears throat] And then the capital projects will be shown and tracked separately from

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departmental budgets. Next chart. Um, this is this is an awareness for people of these are real dollars that are already included in the budget for events and and these are estimated for police department expense and public

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works expense, you know, ranging from the the par uh the Christmas parade, you know, down to the cladium festival, $10,000, the arts and fair festival. And these are not waved fees. These are real costs that each of these departments are

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incurring in order to support these uh various events um that seem to have grown over the years because we incur these costs on behalf of these events. So I'll go ahead and pause now for any questions, comments on these charts and

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these assumptions and then we'll move into the departmental individual budgets. >> I I have some questions madame mayor just about some of the statistics. >> Go ahead. That's what I'm saying right now. >> That the 119558 that that number is if in fact everybody

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got 5%. So that's the max number. Yes. >> And we don't anticipate that everyone will earn a 4% merit. So the number could technically be a little bit less than that. >> It could be. But in some cases you may have somebody gets a lower but somebody gets a higher. So you could have

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somebody get a 7% because maybe they're very low in salary and somebody else others are only going to get a This is your hard >> This is the hard 120 or whatever the hard cap, >> right? >> Number number two. Um, a week or so ago,

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obviously, we voted it took a unanimous vote to get to 3.65 and at the time I expressed that I wish it was lower than that, but I didn't want to prolong things. So, I would I would hope that everyone even if we're using additional fund balance, I would be very hard for

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me to vote for ultimately 3.65 again. So, if we can knock 510 or 10/10 off, we may not go to 3.5, but I would have liked at least have us make some change even if we figure out how to cut 31,000

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or 35,000 out of it and go to 36 or something like that. Um, I don't have any questions about the enterprise fund 3%. We're talking about a 3% increase across both residential and commercial. No, just the commercial residential. We

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increased last year. It's going to be the same. >> What? And I'm sorry. What is our residential annual rate? >> 390. >> How much? >> 290. >> 290. That's a death. 290, right? No, it's the county that's in. >> We're basically in tune with what the county's at now. 282 or whatever. Okay.

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>> The countyy's looking at raising theirs considerably higher. >> Yeah. Well, they're going from 223 to 282, I believe. Um, and again on the wastewater proposed rate increase, is this 5% in addition to the automatic 8% that you all voted on

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last year? >> Yes. And yes, that it was yes. It's already in the >> last year we raised it 8% and this year is another and in fact it last year it was like for four years was the

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different rate increases because of >> it's already embedded in the code that each which years will get what percent going forward >> and that was that's the basis of my question. I thought that the plan was it was going to go up 8% again this year and what you're telling me is it's going

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to go up 8% plus this additional 5% or not. >> No, this is water went up 8% last year and water's going up 8% this year. >> Okay. >> Was >> that is correct? >> Yes, >> it's the number that was already baked in per code. >> Right. >> Okay. Good deal.

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>> I just I just wanted to make sure about that. >> The waste is one up five. Yes, waste water's going up five, water's going up eight. >> So, there was not a waste. There was not an automatic wastewater. >> Not last year. There wasn't a waste water increase, just the water. >> And then my final question is for some

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of these bigger what I'm going to call chamber events that are costing the town 8,500, 10 and a half, 8,500. Have you all had among madame mayor you and the staff have you had conversation about

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us meaning the town charging the chamber some portion of that or are we just eating is the plan now just to eat all of it. >> So last year there was that discussion with the chamber but the council

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approved eat it. This is a new year. So what does this council want to do? Because to your point, if you want to reduce 31,000 somewhere or here's opportunities. Now, nobody's saying I the comment I made because I'm opposed

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to it. My comment was if a if an event is charging, then we shouldn't be subsidizing that event. They should be charging more money to cover their costs. I mean, to me, the Christmas parade, that's something we should budget because

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that's a town event. the Fourth of July fireworks, the homecoming parade, but you start getting into the Christmas tree lighting. That's at the Journal Plaza. That's for a private businesses. Christmas tree lighting for the town. Is that something the town should be incurring $600, you know, dollars the

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caladium festival, $10,000, you know, they charge their vendors in that. So, these are, you know, some people will say legacy events. We've always done them. But guess what? Others keep asking. they keep asking because once they know that boy if you cover my

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cost I can make more money on my fundraiser. So that's it's up for this discussion. What do we want to do? Is this something we want to continue then elsewhere? We have to find where we offset it. Well, I just and I

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won't propose an absolute solution, but I I think I'm in agreement with you and that there are certain things that we just swallow. There are certain things that we ought to and I'm making this up for 10, you know, we use a cladium festival. Perhaps we ought to have this

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maximum number and let's just say it's seven grand instead of 104. And then they have to figure out if they have to go up five dollars or $10 per vendor rental spot, then I understand

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it's those are money makers for the chamber. I'm not trying to be negative about the chamber, you know, for that or the arts and crafts fair. I mean, you know, the smoke family funday is a very nice event, but again, they charge for a lot of that. They charge they have an

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entry fee they charge to be in the run. I think if not in this cycle then we need to start setting some limits so these numbers don't grow. I know you all had that conversation last year. >> So thank you madam. >> Yeah just one one quick to add to that. Last year the chamber um we asked them

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if they'd ever gone to the TDC. So they did and the TDC gave them 10,000. So I'd said to them, okay, are you going to give us our money back? So, >> yeah. And the TDC money can only be used for marketing and advertising. They couldn't

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>> No, no. The TDC did give the chamber $10,000 for >> I know, but that money I think I'm pretty sure that money is earmarked. It has to be sent spent in specific categories. It they couldn't give it to us for police protection or cleanup.

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They have to use it in out of town marketing, you know, those kinds of things. Well, I just wanted to on those assumptions, I just >> Okay. I think we need to figure out where we start a process

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to wean them down. >> I I'm in the same train of thought. >> Oh, go says >> Didn't the chamber pay for some of this? >> No. >> Are you sure? Because Nicole said to me at at at the thing at I was I was there in the tent and Nicole was was grousing

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a little bit about why the police weren't in place where she thought they ought to be when they thought they ought to be and she was right in my face and she said, "We pay for that. We pay them to do that." That's what she said to me. Now, u I don't know >> when she's saying that, she's indicating

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that the town pays for that. The chamber did not supplement any of the cost of the colladium festival. They paid nothing to the town for the caladium festival for our officers to be there. >> Nor the arts and crafts fair either. No. >> No. >> Okay.

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Um and can you explain to me because I don't know if you haven't noticed I don't run. Um can you tell me what the coverage is PD expense on the Dragon 5K? That's where our officers go out and stop the traffic so that they can have

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the 5ks. We have to keep vehicles off the roads while they're running on them. So, it requires an exorbitant amount. All of our officers basically have to come out to be able to stop the traffic to keep them off the runners so the runners can run the 5K. >> And where does it run? What is the

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course? >> Um, they vary. Uh, we have some that run the entirety of the exterior of the town. Green Dragon 5K usually stays over towards Inner Lake Tangerine, Green Dragon, Marquada,

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um Lake Rashard, Ohio, Michigan, and Serenity in that area. >> I was just thinking um in in Sebring, of course, we use Highlands Hammock State Park for all the big things like that and then we don't have that expense. if there was somewhere that that the Dragon

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5K could run that they could run without having to close streets and they could run maybe on grass or sand or gravel rather than running on concrete would probably be better for the runners. Just if we could think about that for the future. >> We don't plan the events or the routes.

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They give them to us and say this is what we want to do. >> But we might could suggest that if anybody >> I I will I'll let Mr. Dolan know. >> Yeah. because I I don't run also smoke family funday. Isn't that all on deain circle? >> Yes.

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>> That's also a 5K as well though that runs basically Hickory to hibiscus hibiscus to Waldo Aiff across to Hillrest or I'm sorry across to Dow Hall to Hillrest out to Hartland around H

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Heartland Tangerine back up Tangerine. >> So they're they're running on streets as well. Yes, that that one covers the almost the entire exterior of the town. >> If we get that path going, maybe they could run on the path. I >> I don't know if it would be wide enough,

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but yeah, that's that's one that they could. >> All right. Thank you. That's all the questions I had. Thank you. >> I think I'm on the same track as Ray, Council Member Royce, that some of these things we could carve out. So, I arbitraril I drew a line um up down to

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the 630 mark, the Christmas tree lighting as um things that probably should stay in the budget that we should absorb. And that's about 14,000, but the remainder is is 24,500 that we could

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conceivably cut out or pair down. If if I might again that you know I I think maybe the smoke family fun day is kind of the example of we're spending three grand in round numbers. We ought to with these organizations that are putting loans saying for this year we'll

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cover $1,500 of expense and then we'll submit you an invoice for that portion over. So, if the Smoke Family Funday has 200 people running and they have to charge an extra $10 to run, that's fine.

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Or they can certainly go talk to the sheriff and take it out in the Placid Lakes. And I mean, I I think for all of these things, we ought to we ought to just come up and say this is going to be what our investment in this is going to be. And to Miss

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Everheart's point, we ought to I don't know what the right number is, but we ought to be figuring out how do we cut at least seven or eight grand out of this. >> Okay, we can come back with that. Any other comments from the council on

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this? And I and I think it's helpful to the organizations that then we can tell them that this is what's going to impact your budget for next year >> because I use like the example of these arts and crafts and cladium festival. This doesn't even cover all the true

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cost because we now have to redo some park stuff. I mean you know we have clean we have I mean I know some of this is public works expense but there's additional cleanup there's additional getting ready there's reeding regressing. I mean I mean we're spending

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a lot of money and they probably just need to build into their budgets that they can cover some of that since it's a fundraiser for them. >> Well, we already have the Halloween event. There's a request to already wave that. So, we said, "Wait, we're going

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to, you know, we've got a request from the Pitle Foundation to wave um and this doesn't even include waving the park fees, right? So we wave the park fees or we wave alcohol permits and that. So those are waiverss. These are real costs that were incurring. So we already have

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that request, you know, to provide this expense for this year and we've said let's just hold off because we're going to go through the budget. >> If it's if it's already in the budget, >> no, it's not. No, no, this is for this October. >> If it were already in the budget, we wouldn't have to have the problem of do

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we want to wave the fees or not. Right. >> Right. >> Because they would already be in there. >> Right. Okay. So this is for the next year's budget and so we already have a request for next year's budget. >> Well, the Halloween event would occur >> starts in October and this is the October 1st budget. >> So the Halloween event would be in this.

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>> No, it's the >> this Halloween. >> This Halloween is will be the 27 fiscal year budget. the one that we're So, if we approve this right now for the Halloween event to be in the budget at $1,680, then they would not have to come for an

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exception because it would be in the budget already, >> right? >> They would they would still come for the waiver of the park fees and all that. >> Yes, but they would not come for the waiver of these. Okay. >> Okay. Any comments from the audience on these charts, please?

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Margaret dear 1504 French Street. This is a really tough one. I mean, you know, at 38 grand and it's basically every like Placid Citizen Ponyian up $15 for each one of these events. And if these

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organizations are charging for participation in any way, shape, or form, it's kind of hard to justify the town subsidizing. In addition, I'm pretty sure I've attended almost all of these events and I don't ever see the town of Lake Placid logo on there as a

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sponsor when you flat out are just like any other sponsor at various levels. The as far as a chamber, I mean, they do a wisbang job, but y'all also pay them $2,500 a year as a sponsor,

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don't you? or are you at the $3,500 level or at at some level? I mean, it's just really really hard to justify if it's not a town sponsored event for the town to incur fees because there are lots of other organizations that are not

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coming to this. Well, they're not subsidized by the town in any way, shape, or form. So, I kind of look at it that way. I mean, look at what the Miracle League does for the community and they don't get any sort of waiver. They don't get I mean this is basically a subsidy and there's a lot of other

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organizations in the town. Rotary doesn't get any sort of subsidy from the town of Lake Placid. Does does noon Rotary get anything? Does morning Rotary wild game dinner? So it's it's hard. It's I hate to say if you going to do it for one you need to do it for all but

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you can't. So you got a tough job ahead of you. I don't I mean there's no You're not going to make everybody happy, but $38,000 is a lot of money. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Name and address for the record, please. >> Marlene Barker, 760 [clears throat] Sunset Point Drive. I have a couple questions. One is how did you decide the cola for the year at 1%? It's probably going to come in higher than that. >> The county is using Susan.

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>> It's a two-part question. >> So, how did you decide the cola before it's actually been set? And two, a 4% parrot merit indicates to me that it's for people who have done a really good job and not across the board merit. So,

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how is that going to be defined? >> Okay. So, the um countyy's given a 1% cola. So, we're consistent with that. And as I spoke earlier, it's up to a 4% merit and it will be based on job performance. Okay. And also salary based

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on um the job um description that they're doing. >> Okay, that makes sense. Now, if the if the cola is greater when it comes out finally, does that mean the 1% will then go up? Because seems like it should. >> No, it's going to be this will be our

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budget 5%. It'll be set even though the US cola comes out higher than that. Suppose it comes out at 2%. >> 5%. Our our our budget increase is going to be 5%. >> And so that means

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>> as it has in the past. In the past we have not put in a cola compared to what the government >> So you've never correlated the national cola with your town cola? >> No. >> Okay. Hm. Why not? I can't answer that early.

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>> Does that mean we shouldn't? I mean, I'm just saying if you're I mean, it's it's worth a discussion. If the cola comes out this year at 2.5, are we harming our town employees by giving them only 1%. Regardless of the merit pay,

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>> may say it a different way. We're given a 5% which includes colon merit. >> So, is what we're building into the budget >> change. Thank you. The other question is on all of the events. It's already been stated. I don't have a problem with the

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Christmas parade, the 4th of July, the homecoming parade, green dragon, Christmas tree lighting, baseball tournament, um, bark fast. I don't know about that pumpkin patch. I do have a problem with the cladium festival and all the others. We said last year, I

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asked the question, the chamber said they couldn't afford to do it if we didn't give them $10,000. and I asked why not get it from the TDC. So Jennifer went to TDC and asked them for $10,000 as we've just heard and the TDC gave them that. The question is why not have

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them go every year to the TDC. In addition, for the last two years they've had more vendors than they've ever had. You might know that now. And they've char they charge them a lot more. They charge a lot more for the growers in there. So the question is, I'm not sure

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we should be giving them anything. Maybe more at a minimum just to get them over the hump. Maybe 3,000. And for arts and craft, again, they're charging all their vendors a certain amount of money. And I agree with everyone else. Why are we subsidizing

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events that are charging money? The same with the Halloween event that's put on by a major real estate company. They can claim that they're a nonprofit. They are a major real estate company. Many years ago, when I and others organized things

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in in the park for Halloween, we bought all the candy. We provided everything. I don't remember it costing We paid the I don't remember it costing the police a whole bunch of money at that time. I'm not even sure that was even an issue. So, I don't think we should be paying

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anything for the Halloween event. If the real estate company wants to put it on, fine. They can have other sponsors. Thank you. >> And let's see. Smoke family. I think again they're charging people as Ray said, charge them more and don't have any money come from the coffers of the

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town taxpayer. Thank you. Okay, seeing no more, we'll move on. Um at this point, I'm going to turn it over to Rachel um to start um in the individual budget reviews.

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>> Thank you. I'm going go over the revenue and as we know with the revenue it goes over the revenue kind of set the limit for the >> Rachel I can't >> maybe move the microphone closer >> Can you hear me Yeah.

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>> Okay. >> So, the revenue is what kind of set the limits for the budget. So, once the state revenue and any services that the town charge is what creates the limit that also kind of limit the expenses.

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So, I'm going go over the changes that happen on the budget first of all. So, this year the budget is going to be split by the operating and the capital. So it got two columns for capital and operating. Then it also have the annual budget proposed which is both of those

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added together. Um so I'm going to go over the over the highlights. So not going line by line unless you want to um a line item that you want to ask about. But I'm going to do the ones that I know that um

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some changes has been made to it like the abalorum taxes. Abalor taxes in it includes the CRA funds within this and on the expense side it splits out. So the CRA will go into the CRA and the everlarm that for the general revenue

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stays within the fund and the business tank. So we'll go over that. So $18,000 what we budgeted last year. We only budgeting what we budgeted 18,000 again but it's only took about 3,300 but the business tax has been build

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every year on July the 1st. So that's why you won't see the whole number here. So and the funds just start coming in after June 30th. So that's why the funds look a little low there. Um we have some planning services.

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um build last year but not much this year. And the recreation fees, they count about the same amount from last year. Um every year the recreation fees is kind of going down a little bit every year,

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but we still put 8,000 in there. So I guess they was going to talk to the leads and kind of see if all the leads are paying or all the users are are paying their fair share. And also I'm going to special detail for policing. Again, we put that amount in

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there for 25,000. Current today is about 12,000 that was taken in. Um and the expense side, we'll go over the expense side and in the police

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department expense 001521015. Um and also the the building rental fees on those we had you'll see negative numbers in there and you say why is that? Because right now with the rental of the building or parks

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they pay a deposit but they don't really pay user fees itself. So once they pay the the deposit it always get refunded. So that's why you see the negative numbers showing. Um also for the

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the 299,274 that's a rollover for um our pack. So you'll see that in the same amount with no usage on it. So that's a rollover. And some of these items you'll see where they kind of highlighted in orange. Those numbers will change because right

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now the state have not have their final numbers coming in until sometime in August. So that's just a holding number. Sometime it be the final number, but right now it's still a holding until um the state numbers come in. And also I want to point out that on the

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on line 001381 999, it was a transfer in. This was a transfer in for the Lake Placid Police Department from the from the infrastructure account. this expense. You'll see that there's no line item there because it was moved to the

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infrastructure which is a one right below it. Um 1.4 million. Um so that'll be coming straight out of the fund balance on that account. Um and another thing too that the town got awarded of 800 for federal

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appropriation. that number is not showing in here as a a revenue source because of course with the state you always have to wait till that money is in their hand or into the bank before you really count it. So we don't know if it's going to come in this fiscal year or next fiscal year. So it's not counted

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but we still have it um we kind of have it flagged as far as we're watching out for it to see if we get it this year. Um, and also we didn't put in there for the if something the police department the old one gets sold or whatever happen. We didn't put anything on that

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one either because that'll be of course up to council decide what happened with that. Um, and the infrastructure that would be it. Any questions on any one of those yet? >> Yes, I have a question. So, Rachel, did

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I just hear you say that we did not for budget purposes in the 2627 budget, we did not include the state money for the police department in there? >> No. For the 800,000? >> I mean, you we know or we presume we're

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going to get that about the first of the year. I mean, it's certainly going to happen in the next fiscal year. Why wouldn't we want to put that number as a revenue stream? Well, we have learned in the past, you don't count it until you get it, but if if you would like to see that in there, we can add it in.

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>> We have all kinds of numbers in here that we don't have yet that we're counting. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Th this one's, of course, we're hoping we have it. We're still tracking the expense on the police department, so that's no issue there because it'll be coming from the infrastructure budget. So, it's all

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budgeted there. It's just, you know, we we've heard we've awarded it. Then we're also hearing there's still cuts that are taking place. So until we get money in the bank, I mean, we can put it in there, not going to do any difference to

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the fund, because it's going to be funded out of infrastructure right now, the police department, that if we get the money, then we put the money back into infrastructure. I just hate to see a big $800,000 deficit in the infrastructure account

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where I guess I'm 99.9% sure that the state of it may be January or February, but the money is going to come to us in this upcoming fiscal year. I mean, it's part of the approved budget. I mean, I don't I don't know

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that anyone even has the authority now to cut that out of the budget once it's been signed in the budget. Do they? >> That's a good question. >> I hope not, but we keep hearing until

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they cut the check. It could be. So, we've already budgeted the 2,85,000 police department out of infrastructure. We spent about what 600,000 and that's where you see the 15 the

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um somewhere where is that Rachel? The >> the 1.4 >> the one 663 >> remaining balance. So I mean we can put that's why we put it as a footnote >> to watch it in that we just didn't put it into the revenue. >> Okay. Yeah, I just want to make sure

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that as we go through the year that >> and we all a sudden say, well, infrastructure is >> way out of whack. You that that money 99.9%. I mean, I don't know how they would now not do that. I and I hope that

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frankly we're doing everything we can to say cut us the check. My understanding from the guys folks at the county is that it usually takes December, January before they get their money, but we ought to be pushing pushing pushing to get the money. So, thank you.

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>> Yeah, because right now it's not included as expense or revenue, but we can add it in as both. >> Okay, other comments? Um when you go with the line under total

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governmental revenue um the projected uh for this year is 66 6970 and projected or in the budget is u 6949 and I understand that some of the numbers aren't firm the ones that were in orange

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>> but um so it looks like it could be a little bit less than last year but then I was confused because then I see the 1.1963 above and if that's in the part of the total with the 6 million 970

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>> 6.9 is the is a total budget. Correct. >> So the 6 million 970 includes the 1,963. >> No it does not. >> Okay. The 3.1 and the 3.7 is a 6.9. So

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then the two numbers that are close are true. It's not like we're getting another 1.9 million more than last year's. >> That is correct. >> Okay. So um but it's interesting that when we think about incoming we're not in is not increasing by 3% or whatever

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inflation is. We're just at the same or a tweak little less than last year. So I want to keep that into consideration when we set the mill rate. Um but sometime when you look at the numbers you have to remember the fund balance. Sometime the fund balance was

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maybe higher last year or lower last year. So that can make a difference as well because this year we taking about 437 out of fund balance and the year before was 242 which it wasn't

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used. The 242 was not used. >> Okay. Other questions, comments? Anybody from the audience? Okay. Name and address for the record, please. Margaret dear, 1504 French Street.

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>> Talk to me about business tax receipts, please. General local business tax. >> The business tax receipt is for the businesses. So, all the business within town pay $35 every year for business tax. And and we're going to have fees

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next week. We'll talk about fees, but go ahead. >> So, you're telling me to sit down? I got it. >> I did not say that. I just [laughter] >> We'll talk about business, right? Fees next week. >> No, that not a problem then. I'm happy to wait until next week.

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>> Good. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay, back to Rachel for departmental reviews. Okay. So, I'm going go into now is the general fund expenses. Um, so the general fund, what makes up the

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general fund is expenses from the town clerk, the finance department, council, and town administration, which is the town administrator or whatever happened with town hall. Um, and so on the top they got the salaries

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and the mayor went over overall 5% for the salaries and of course the health insurance went up, the retirement went up some. Um, and of course that affect the FICO payroll taxes.

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And on the expense side, um, there was some changes that we made. We've moved the fireworks from the recreation department. So now that kind of be a contribution from the administration department and also

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for tributes. Um they put the membership for the chamber that went up to another level membership from the 2500 to 5,000. um a 40,000 was put in there for the 10

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year celebration for the town for next year. Um and that's the most significant ones that's in the the general fund that's taking place that I can see. Um all of

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the cons accounting and auditing services, you'll see more of those now in the administration, not in the um the police and the streets and road recreation. All of those going to be centralized within the g the general fund. So you'll see them up under count

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513 versus 572 or 521 or 541. So that'll be accounting services, IT services, legal, um most of those consulting service will all fall up under the general fund. Now >> any questions? So the biggest for the

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general fund yeartoyear is um you know we increased the fireworks it was 4,000 this is for the legacy um to five and then I'm proposing you know the chamber put us at the highest level which is you

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know the gold or whatever we're in the middle and so that would be go from 2500 to 5,000 something you know maybe that can offset all of these fees we're giving them um that we separately talked about. And then we need some number in

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there for the 100redy year anniversary. We just put in 40,000 as kind of a placeholder, but you know, next year we're going to be um looking at some uh different ways to celebrate. We'll also go out for a contribution. So that number can go up, down, whatever. It's a

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starting placeholder. Um those are pretty much the changes for this year from administration. So comments, questions from the council. I uh I really like that you separated the capital money, the project money

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from operating funds. We always made a head hurt [clears throat] trying to subtract things out and the fact that you now are projecting the remainder of the year so we get a true idea of what this year's budget is. I I really love that.

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>> Anything else? Anybody from the audience? Okay, Rachel, back to you. >> Um, the only thing else left is the legal services which is all what now would come up under the general fund and

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also for planning. Um, the planning pretty much kind of disappear besides the consulting services for technical and planning services. So, that kind of completes the general fund.

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The general operations is Okay, questions. Anybody from the council questions first? Okay, ma'am. Margaret dear 1504 French Street legal.

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Is that a flat fee? >> Is it what a flat fee? >> Is it It's our estimate 10,000 a month. It's It's per the job that they work on. So just >> So it could be less. Could be less. >> Could be more. >> Could be more. Yep. It's just an

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estimate. There's a lot of, if you will, legal involvement on some of the text amendments, a lot of the projects that we're working on. So, okay. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Clipping along to the police department. Chief As you can see, our budget actually did not change uh much at all from previous year just the 5% increase for salaries and

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otherwise it's pretty well stayed the same. We are asking for a vehicle again this year uh 63980 as well as continuation of the officer safety plan for 3468370. So chief if I might madame mayor chief I

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have a question that I don't understand PD special detail is showing which is line 521015 $30,000 expenditure if I remember right I can't find my notes there is 342102

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15,000 revenue I don't I guess I in the past I'd always been assured that special detail was covering itself. And so again, >> special detail covers itself unless council waves the fees. When you wave

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the fees for the events, those are all special details. Okay, >> that's where that money is budgeted in at. >> Let me be tactful in this. I'm assuming that we aren't spending one penny more to guard the Presbyterian Church than

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we're bringing in to guard the Presbyterian church. >> No, theirs covers it 100%. They pay everything they're supposed to pay the Presbyterian church. >> I mean, I just use them as example. Nothing. >> The Easter event, they pay theirs. >> Okay. >> Um, we've had a couple others at the

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Baptist church. Um, we've worked details for Boers World. they pay and it becomes a Z event. >> So, you're saying that that $15,000 that I just mentioned? >> Yes. >> That is all the things we talked about at the head of the meeting, >> the Caladium Festival, the arts and

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crafts festival, all >> the revenue or the expenditure. The revenue is what's being brought in from the Presbyterian Church and all those. >> My point is we aren't collecting revenue. We still have special detail overtime whatever expense. And the only way to bring the 15,000 and 30,000

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numbers closer together is to quit waving uh the same level of fees that we have historically waved. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And it's crept up over the years, right? As to be expected. One comes in and okay, the next one I want in and the

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next one I want in. So, and it will continue to creep. >> Sure. So, >> I think that that to me is the living example of why we we got to >> bring it we have to pay attention to what we're waving because we just

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apparently are going $15,000 in the hole on the police department right there. >> Okay. >> That's one of the reasons we try to bring it before you with the actual costs each time so that you see the breakdown, you know how much it's going to cost.

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And I think Allan's being modest on his numbers because, you know, the restroom supplies, the the garbage, the setup of ahead of time, the closing roads and that. So, you know, trying to get the actual cost is is is difficult because

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of, you know, his his are on overtime, right? They're on the weekends and that that these events take place. And and I don't want to go backwards and maybe this question is for Alan, but on these special events, do we go to the county commission, ask them to wave um landfill

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fees or not? >> We do not. I believe the chamber has in the past >> and and Allan and I just had this conversation um of how much we're talking and what did you think you know$100 $200 on the

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tipping fees for? The tipping fees are not a big hunk of that. >> The tipping fees are not a big hunk of that public works. It's it's the collection and >> it's the collection and the time of the people and the added supplies for the restroom, the papers, and everything like that. Yeah.

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>> Okay. Any other questions on the police department? Anybody from the audience? Okay. Next up, Alan. Did we want to go over code? >> Oh, you're doing code enforcements. I'm

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sorry. Thank I saw CE and I'm thinking still >> cultural >> and again code enforcement there is no significant change over last year's budget. >> Okay. Allen Streets and Roads.

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>> Madame Mayor, before he goes, can I just ask a general question about code enforcement? I apologize for my ignorance, but explain to me again how we are currently going about his code enforcement is housed within the police department or

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law enforcement. >> He is not law enforcement, but he is housed under the police department. >> Okay. So, >> he is not a >> separate $79,000 budget. >> Yes. >> Okay. And

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is our code enforcement a sworn? Is he or she a sworn officer? >> No, they are not. He is not a sworn officer. He is a certified code enforcement officer. He's gone through the training and completed three of them. Three of the four

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trainings he's required to to be final full certified code enforcement. Um, in most areas, most people never finish the fourth class. They only require them the first three. >> So when I was looking at this, why is

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the code enforcement office or officer, why is it going down significantly from what was budgeted last year or am I reading this wrong? >> It's the allocation. Each of these departments used to get central office allocations. So we're not we're going to keep them

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all at central office. So it does look like there's a reduction. >> Okay. It's just a just a redistribution. >> You know, when you see that it's gone down. >> Yeah. >> 16 or 17,000. I just >> They're not getting audited. Audit expenses, insurance expenses, IT expenses. We're keeping them all up in

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administration. >> The opposite is Rachel's budget went up, right? [laughter] >> Okay. Any other questions on code enforcement? Anybody? Okay. Allan, you're up. >> Good. Are we doing streets or parks?

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Streets. [clears throat] So, as stated earlier, uh the streets department is has been combined with horiculture. Uh we didn't what we generally did is looked at the previous year's budget and

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kind of added it to what I had built already built for this coming year. There's not a whole lot built into it as far as extra expense. Um, there's one line item here that says

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storm water drain cleaning for the train uh historical museum move to CRA. Uh, we plan to bring that up during CRA. The number stays the same though because that's still the combined number between

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streets and horiculture. Um general things just uh eyewash station needs to be replaced just due to its current condition. Oil changes tire replacements for all of our

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vehicles. uh slightly increased uh price of chemicals, herbicide and also built into that is when we need to have the median uh sprayed for Clark pest

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control. Uh 10,000 here for the asphalt, the bag the bag patch, the cold patch. when we're when we're unable to get a hot patch from the county, we have to buy the pallet of the cold. Uh also,

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anytime we have to buy shell rock for land erosion, uh millings, crushed concrete, uh and uh street sign replacements whenever we we make we're probably going to make a

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small another order up pretty soon, but I anticipate that being about 2,000 or less. and street light poles. Uh that is to replace our inventory. We had bought, I believe, four last year. Uh and we had

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about four vehicle collisions this year. So this is to replace our inventory so we don't have to order them, wait around for two months. So you see a cone on the side of the road until we get them in. So this is so we can do an immediate

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replacement. 10,000 there says mowers. That's more like just for equipment. Um we just put kind of mowers there as a side note, but that might be for a flail mower attachment or attachment for the tractors. >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions to Allan?

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Go ahead. >> Yeah. And maybe I assume that I guess again what drew my attention I'm assuming for comparison standpoint you all put streets and horiculture together for last year's numbers but there's still a decrease of basically $143,000

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if I'm reading this right how how are we how are we going to do the same or more with 143,000 less >> so if you're looking at the total this gets to be that administrative cost Right. It's back to Rachel's, you know, rather than prorating all of the

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administrative expenses, insurance, IT, communications, this building, and that, we're keeping them up at in whole at administration. So, it does look like >> great job, we've just cut his budget, but we really have shifted it over to

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administration. >> 104. I mean, I don't doubt you, but I mean, that's just, >> you know, obviously that's a big number. a relatively big number. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We aren't we have the we have the same number of people or adding I mean Okay. I just want to make sure we

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weren't >> slicing two people out or something like that. >> No, no, no, not at all. Okay. Um and and actually what I skipped over on the very first chart with assumptions is we are adding one headcount this year and it's

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to add an accounting manager under Rachel. Okay, >> I think everybody knows Rachel's our finance director. She's accounting. She's treasurer. She's grant administration. She's HR. She's customer service. She's

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IT and she and everything else. And so we really need to add an accounting manager to put the accounting with internal control under her um to help her really lessen her load. So that's the one headcount that we are proposing to add

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this year. >> And obviously I have faith that you all have thought this through but I'm assuming keeping administrative all those administrative costs under one tint instead of prorating them

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out across departments. That's sound governmental accounting. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Except we are planning on allocating to the four enterprises. >> Okay. So that but other words there's no reason to add it to street and roads to the police to the the those are just all

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general funds. So we're not going to take it out of one general fund area and put it to the others. And then this allows us to really look at these costs as a whole to see wow we're spending a lot for example in IT before we were allocating it to eight different departments. They couldn't control it.

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They weren't making a decision. So we'll keep it at at the administration level and allow us to be accountable for looking at those costs and seeing how we can reduce them. >> I think you maybe previously I'll just use that example you previously shared

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we had a contract was supposed to be it for at one cost and it's gone up exponentially and at some stage we you all or we collectively it's one of those things we figure out can we get out of that contract? Is it cheaper to

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hire a full-time IT person and pay some firm somewhere, you know, significant money to do that kind of thing, right? >> And that's a good example of why this whole keep it at one level versus diluted came out. Okay? >> As we looked at it, we added the pieces

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together and said, "Oh, wow. We're spending a lot more than we ever budgeted." And so, we are into discussions right now with the IT provider to say, "I don't have the budget. this is not sustainable. So, we're factoring in this year 60,000, but

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we're still negotiating with them on what can we do. And that's a perfect example of highlighting it for one area to be accountable for that number versus spreading against eight and nobody realized that. >> Thank you, Madam Chair.

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>> So, the cost will still be the same, but it's just the enterprise will still take their share, but it's just only one line item, right? So the all the costs will go into the administration part, not the administration, recreation and police and code enforcement. It'll just all get

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coded up under just administration. >> And I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time hearing you, but I think what you said is the enterprise funds. We have broken it out for the enterprise funds. >> Yeah, we will. We need to build them. Okay. you know, and and there's savings, too, because every invoice that's come

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in, right, every requisition, we're allocating it to eight different departments, 1%, 2%, 3%, etc. So, there's going to be administrative savings also and less paperwork um as we in the accounting area process

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as we've done before. So, different benefits that can be achieved. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> It's just the confusion is the first year budget cut over looks a little odd. Yeah. That's why I looked at some of these numbers and I just thought, "Wow, this isn't a couple of grand. This is real money."

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>> Yeah. Right. >> Okay. >> Um, moving on uh to the combined recreation, which is now all of our parks together. Uh as stated uh this is essentially Lake

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June Park added to the rest of the parks throughout town. There's uh some money set in set in there for it says uh park damages for the storm. that money or I should say that has been uh entered into uh for an

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insurance claim but I believe there were if they don't pay out uh there was money built in so that we could still get those repairs increased >> and on recreation, madame mayor, obviously if we don't spend $6.99 and

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change, then that goes away both on the revenue and the expense side. >> Correct. Well, I guess the money we've already spent been this last fiscal year, so it won't be $6.99, but it'll be some >> 600 or whatever. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Thank you. the uh chemicals was increased so we can uh better track what will be splitting between the two departments and also how much the ball

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field uh might require additional pest control compared to the other parks. um ball field lights replacement. Uh requesting, let me see what line item that is. Uh

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requesting money for additional bleachers. So during some events, uh they are in different areas from where the bleachers are. So, we are consistently having to bring heavy machinery down there and attempt to lift up these bleachers and

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shift them to other parts of the park or other fields uh at risk to potentially damaging uh not only the fields but the bleachers themselves after repeated lifting and placing back down. So, we would like to see at least two

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more uh sets of bleachers. Let's see. Money in there for mower replacements. And so, uh park amenities. I'd like to be able to add say trash containers, uh water fountains, and

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picnic tables for some of the parks. Um there is a possibility of putting some of that under CRA as well. Uh if not, I just wanted to make sure that there was money there to at least do some of the more minimum things that may not make it to a project like just

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placing one trash container or something like that. I can't speak much to the pickle ball. I don't know much about that. And the lighting, I don't know much about that either.

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Okay. So, that's on parks. Um, we do have below on infrastructure. Um, we put in 200,000 for parks there for that would be Lake June Park updating

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the playground equipment and then looking at uh where we can get some matching grants for that too. So that's down below. Even though it's park related, I just want to throw that out as we're talking about parks. >> So Madame Mayor, can I ask you another

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question, >> please? So, I think I'm I'm understanding where you all were going. And the the example is that on line 572450 town insurance, last year we had $61,000 roughly. This year we have nothing

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because it's staying in the general admin thing. What I don't understand then is if we go up to line 572023 health insurance now it goes down again $23,000

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but the health insurance that that number isn't staying then in the admin category that's specific to this endeavor. So, so and this and every department is actually their employees in that department and the health care

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expenses um attributed to it. In the past out of admin, we would have distributed prorated all of the admin to each of the departments. So now the admin that had salaries and healthc care

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is staying up at the admin only. So that's why you'll see the reduction. Okay, >> does that make sense? And again, it's it's now in this case all of the employees that are under Allen for the parks, their salaries and their healthc

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care. That's a true number for him. >> And then just one more point on line 572510 office supplies. Again, it's small number thousand books that I take it are office supplies that are by God unique

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to that department that don't come out of general administration. Right. That is correct. >> Okay. Thank you. Just want to make sure I understood how we were we're doing this. >> Okay. Other comments, questions from council. >> You mentioned um uh in the category

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where you have um the 200,000 upgrade for the Lake June Park playgrounds. Um, in that same category, never mind that, but I'm just pointing out for in that same category, you have 15,000 for AC replacement.

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I would like to see at least two units budgeted for because we had they're all the same age. We lost two this year. I would like to see another one thrown in there. Actually, maybe three, but >> Okay. I mean, that's the infrastructure. We can do that.

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Other comments? >> Yes, Alan. On the benches for the park out there you're looking for for the ball fields, >> the bleachers. >> The bleachers. Yes. Is this something? Yes. Thank you for the clarification. Is this something we have to discuss in another meeting or do you already have a

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price for it? It's budgeted and it'll just be done. >> I spoke with Jim. He said he believes they are about 8,000 a piece. >> He actually shopped around and got those prices. Those are the actual prices. >> Okay. >> Seems like we discussed them during the

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budget, then we discussed them again incessantly in meetings month after month after month. If we can get it done here and approve it and it's one cost and it's good, I'd say let's just make it happen and not bring it up again. >> Okay. >> If it's on the budget, >> we'll put in the budget and then once we get through those readings, these guys

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will get them ordered. Yeah, that that's the good thing is once we know we have the budget and we've got that direction, off they go. >> No, >> I just had a question about the mowers. Got $16,000 in here for mowers. We had

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$10,000 in another place. So, we got $26,000 for mowers, which I don't have any issue with. But, do we have people to use them? >> Yes. This will be a re, as I stated earlier, 16,000 is the roughly the true

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cost of one new mower. The 10,000 that uh note off to the side, it was just a placeholder because it's actually going to be attachments for a tractor. So, it might be a flail mower or a say brush

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hog for the for the back of our other tractor. >> Okay. Uh we I believe the one at the ball field is the one that was uh starting to have issues or aging out. When they hit about 3,000 hours, you start having problems with the

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hydraulics. >> And due to that, we don't like having them anywhere near the sides of the roads and things like that. So what we have the option to do is say one of the ones we may not trust to be next to the highway, we can shift down to the park

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and then have the newer one with, you know, trustworthy hydraulics >> uh that might mow the middle of the median in US 27. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Any other questions from council on this one

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uh to the audience? Okay. Thank you, Alan. Um, I think Rachel is a back to you on the infrastructure. Even though we've hit and missed on that, we'll just clarify where we are

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with the infrastructure um expenses. >> Okay. So, Council One woman, we're going to add three units. So, we got I guess half of one. So, now we're going to add three

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full units. Correct. I would like to see more than one, but I don't know where the money's coming from. >> It'll come out of infrastructure. >> It'll come out. Okay. >> There's money in infrastructure for that. >> Okay. So, yeah, if I can get if we can put down three and if we don't need them, I don't know because I

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>> they're all the same age. >> Yeah. The other we can budget for them, but the other side is if they go out, then we do a budget amendment to fund them at that point like we did with the other ones. So, either way is fine. Okay. >> This way we can earmark them

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>> and then we don't need to use it. Whereas if we don't they'll go out, right? Murphy's law. >> So there's only two other things on the infrastructure is the one is for the police department. It was last year up under the police department, but the ex

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the revenue and they it was coming from the infrastructure anyway. So now we just moved the budget item to the infrastructure. So that kind of made the police department look like they was doing a big decrease in expenses, but then theoretically it was just a budget item. So all of the expenses showed up

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under infrastructure as where the revenue source would have came from anyway. Um and the only other thing that we added this year is 340,000. That's a transfer out into the sanitation department for a new garbage

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truck. So, we'll talk about that one when we do the um sanitation. Um but it's just because here it is in the infrastructure. So, when sanitation comes up, which we clearly have time tonight is, you know, we're going to need a garbage truck and when we talk

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about the sanitation reserve, we don't have money in the sanitation reserve uh because we're trying to catch that up with the increased fees. So, you know, we'll look at a loan from the infrastructure to the sanitation

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um enterprise in order to fund that um garbage truck. So, unless there's any questions on the infrastructure, I think this any Go ahead. >> I'm just making myself up. $200,000

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that's earmarked for playground equipment >> at Lake June Park because Lake June Park is not a CR in the CRA district. >> Okay. And so the intention there is to see if there is some other funding to go with that 200 or to displace some of

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that 200 cost. >> Yes. Because Rachel's already sent information on it fully matching um game time grant. So there's um grants out there that we're going to be looking really hard to find. Um about a year and

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a half ago, a independent playground inspector came and inspected all of our parks and basically said repair or remove as soon as you can. Um so there were repairs that were taken place at the Lake June Park, but a lot of it was

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downsized it because it needed to just be removed. So it's one that you know we've talked about year we keep kicking it down the road and this is a year we need to look at what is a better structure to put in place. The intent is to do something more. This is a seed

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money to now go find other grants and do something a lot better. Anything else to the audience? Okay. Um, I think Rachel, we're at the point now

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we can move into sanitation and cemetery. >> Yes, >> Alan, you're back up. Are we going to speak about the garbage truck purchase now or do you want to move on into the other line items?

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So, our current garbage trucks, as as you know, have been uh costing us money that was unexpected. Uh the one that just uh was getting the brakes fixed was

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uh or is 12 and a half years old. The expectance life expectancy for these trucks is between 10 and 15 years. So, as uh as we get into uh I would like to start getting into

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more of a rotation of replacing these vehicles uh before they are reaching their end of life and costing us these significant amounts like the $40,000 transmission, $25,000 just for breaks on the back end. So

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ideally we want to increase our reserves to get to a point where we can do this more frequently. We have the option because it's about the same price to do a rear load garbage truck or another side loader. At this

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point, I would like to go with the a rear loader because that handles a lot more of the commercial garbage and at least if our side loader goes down, side loader being the one that picks up residential. Uh that rear load garbage truck can

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still be used as a backup uh for when the other one is in the shop. Once we start doing more annexations or we start having more downtime with this side loader, we can look at uh purchasing an

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additional side loader at that time. So the there's 340,000 in there. I believe the true number was only about $8,000 less than that. Uh so I would that I only got quote from one company.

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Uh generally we only deal with them uh for getting our quotes because of the difficulty it is getting these trucks repaired on. If we get something that's you know might be a cheaper truck but hardly anyone works on them or we're having to drive back and forth or have

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it towed back and forth to say Tampa as opposed to having uh Fort Meyers, Fort Pierce or Orlando, Lakeland as backups. Uh if if you want I can U get several more quotes and we can pick the best of

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them. But currently this is just again kind of like a placeholder. This would be the high end. We can always find a truck that's a little lower if you want to go that way. Sorry, I don't having trouble finding the other page. I know the other increase was for

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uh dumpsters. The price of metal has increased. The only the only other thing that stands out to me is just the $5,000 we put in there for a welder replacement. This is how we basically keep our dumpsters operational longer. We have to

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buy the metal, but uh we don't buy a welder every year. This money is just kind of sitting there because that's about how much a new one would cost if it goes out and we'd rather be in a position where we can replace the welder and keep these dumpsters um going

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longer. The price of metal has increased uh quite significantly uh for the same amount of money we currently have in this budget as we did the prior year for dumpsters. We're getting eight to 10 less dumpsters for

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the same amount of money. And uh the price of the garbage truck, the last time we bought one was I believe in about 2021. As far as rear load goes, uh that price has come up significantly mostly uh for the back end. As you know, it's sold as a chassis

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and and then and the rear end, the packer. So that's a lot of that cost is uh say over $60,000 of that. It was just increase in the pack the the price of the rear end. >> Are there any questions?

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>> You mentioned 8 to 10 less dumpsters than you'd get before. How many do you normally get when you order dumpsters? Is that out of 100? 8 to 10 less. Uh we generally get we buy it in several or uh probably two orders a year. I want to say about 15 to 20.

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>> And you're getting 8 to 10 less on each order now. So it's like half as many dumpsters. >> Sorry. No, eight to 10 less overall. >> Gotcha. Uh also on the truck part, you're going to buy a new truck. You're going to get rid of one of the existing trucks we have, probably the worst one, or you just going to park it on the side

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of the road and use it for parts? >> I would not keep it for parts. I mean, we can we can we can either keep it as an emergency backup temporarily or we can take it right to the auction and see what we get for them. >> They don't take them on trade or do anything on that for you. I know my

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business, they won't take a trade truck. You have to sell it outright. >> Yeah. Yeah. [snorts] >> I know we have a pretty good graveyard of junky trucks already. I'd recommend not keeping it. Whatever we can get for it because it's just going to be a nuisance over the long term. >> So, that's all good. >> You don't want to put a plant in it.

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We [clears throat] need to get rid of some of the stuff we have there. >> So, Madame Mayor, I got a couple questions. This is a reminder that our real sanitation revenue is dumpsters or, you know, commercial. Do we only service

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dumpsters within the town limits? >> Yes. Is there a legal reason why we wouldn't or couldn't service dumpsters outside of the municipal limits?

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>> I think right now it's people in cost. >> Yeah. Our our code only only mentions the town. Uh so and I don't know if there is already say a contract or a service agreement from that the county has in >> the outer areas.

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>> I mean I just because because that 900 grand is such a big hunk of it. You know if you picked up incrementally some other accounts [clears throat] I mean that's what that's what drives keeping the residential rate low is these commercial

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rates kind of. Correct. >> Correct. And um I I guess that's just something for us to I know not for the budget for us to think about long term. Are there areas that are immediately adjacent that you know that we might

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want to be try to be competitive in in in the dumpsters in? >> I can tell you se several days a week uh we have to run two trucks uh due to the just sheer amount on those specific days. So if we do pick up more, it would either take an additional uh driver and

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vehicle uh ju just just to make it to the landfill before they close. >> And so I see madame mayor that you know we have a transfer for sanitation garbage truck. We get we're spending infrastructure money. I don't see and maybe I

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>> that would be the loan though. It would be a loan from the infrastructure. >> Okay. I just didn't see where there was a a fee going back out to the infrastructure count to pay off to pay that loan or to pay against that truck. Is it >> is it in here and I just missed it?

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>> Three. >> I don't think we have it in there, but that's a good point. Right. So, there will be some revenue coming back. >> I mean, at some stage, we're going to have to spend 50 grand or something a year to start to pay infrastructure fund back, right? Yes. >> Okay. I mean, is the life of a garbage

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truck five or six years or do they last? >> It's 10 >> 10 to 15. Okay. I'm sorry. >> Uh Rachel says it is on there. >> Okay, that's fine. If it is and I just miss it. That's >> 55 58198.

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>> Oh, it's on the revenue side. >> Expense. >> Expense side. >> Okay. >> Expense, >> right? But then we'll have something coming in on our revenue side, the payments. Okay. I mean, I have faith that I just want to make sure. Alan, let me ask you

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a question or two about cemetery if we've already gone over that. Last year, you all budgeted cash lot sale. Was that just you anticipated? And I see there's no budget for that this year. We didn't actually apparently do a $40,000 cash lot sale. I don't even know what a

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cash lot sale means. I believe we estimate based on how many we've sold prior years with the exception of say uh there would have been years where someone might come in and buy 30 40 plots. Okay. I mean, I see

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where there's traditional lots, there's 4 by11, three and, you know, I see additional lots. I just last year I noticed in the budget you had $40,000 for cash lot sale. That's if you 343800. Um, I just I was just curious, you know,

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what that was. And then we basically transfer out at some stage or near every penny of perpetual care revenue we take in right into the perpetual care fund.

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>> Correct. It's >> okay. >> And is that what is the perpet how much is in the cemeteries perpetual care fund in round numbers? I think that's going to be on the reserve sheet, right? Uh Rachel, it's on

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the reserve sheet. >> Okay. >> And we're going to flip to that shortly. I think that's the 67 >> 173,000. >> Okay. >> 173. >> The total the totality of our perpetual care fund is is 173,000.

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>> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Other questions on cemetery sanitation? Anybody from the audience? >> Thank you, Alan. >> Thank you.

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>> And I think Rachel, we're going to turn it over to you. There was a couple charts that we added today. You should have, you know, um, copies of them uh to just quickly go over the reserve uh, funds. the balances.

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Yeah, this phone balance sheet here is basically it shows all the fund balance that the town has bank accounts per se and it shows each one of them as if it's a checking account, savings account, if it's a reserve and in some situation

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like water and sewer and sanitation, there is a deposit that is a part of that um fund balance. So that is kind of showing that that money is set aside. It is reserved that the town is keeping a customer deposit because it ultimately due back to the customer once they close

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out the account. Um and it also shows the capital infrastructure. If there's any funds that the town have that is restricted for of for Pacific use, there's a column for that as well. Um grants restricted, it it got a column

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for that. debt service. Um and overall the sheet kind of shows you um on the side on the all the way on the the right side showing that there is a fund balance requirement. Um so each fund is kind of calculated every year and that's

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the policy say every year during the budget that you calculate the fund balance see if it meet the requirements and currently the general fund and the cemetery meet the requirements and the enterprise for water sewer and sanitation do not

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um more specifically for the sewer count that's because a lot of grants and what have you are happening um for the water count of course that's by Florida rural water say that there's a requirement for the next five to eight years that it should be a um increase but also for um

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for capital reserves and the sanitation as well. So trying to build up the reserves and hopefully with these um rate increases this year and the next couple years it'll kind of build be able to put money aside to build the reserves

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up um this sheet here. So, I'mma bring it back um basically walking back through it a different way as far as showing here's a fund balance, here are the expenses that we're going to take out and after year end, this is what is

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going to be expected for to show what that fund balance is going to be. So, that'll be at the next meeting. But this sheet kind of give a overall um balance as far as what it was as of 9 at 6:30. So kind of using all my numbers a

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cut off at 6:30 um because of course July is we're still in the month of July but 6:30 was a good cut off to show at least six months as far as where we at and um kind of compare until the previous year before but in this case

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this is the hard numbers as as of 6:30 2026 >> right and so um like Rachel just mentioned we just talked about that today that for the next meeting what we'll do is we'll come back with a different look at a lot of these uh like the general fund and the infrastructure

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to say here's the balance but these are the things that we're committing to or encumber and then you know such as the police department the pickle ball you know the call it the um the 200,000 for parks the mowers and then we'll be able

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to see what is our net after this budget of what the balance is in the infrastructure and the general fund So, just gives a different way to look at it versus this is truly um the funds. And then, um, Council Member Royce, as you see under the cemetery, it breaks down

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each of the different funds. >> I see that. I apologize for >> No, no, no. That's it's all good discussion. >> Yeah. I I I do have a question just about this one kind of unique thing. 01 001-101-11 Lake Serena Trail Path CD. Do we just

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have some money squirreled away for some path that we plan to build decades ago and it's just sitting there? >> So 111, 112, and 113 is all path trails and path that the the town put back years ago and they just sitting there.

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Um currently the interest that occur on these, it goes into the general fund. But these are the original balances that was carrying over from year to year. um this past uh year at the bank, well a couple months ago that the bank called and say, "Do you want these to roll over

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for another five years?" And the mayor say no. So we at most we did eight months to kind of give an idea to to give us some time to as far as to find out you guys what what you want that money to go to stay in trails of path or to take it and put it back in the general fund, however that may be. So,

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>> so we could take that roughly $60,000 and build something with it, right? That is correct. >> We could build a multi-use path Greg's house. >> That's what I thought. I thought that this was Greg's path, right? This your driveway. >> You all need to avoid my neighborhood.

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[laughter] >> We're going to come running through. Chief Chief is rerouting that dragon front >> to go right through your neighborhood. I mean, I guess I'm just joking about in front of Grace, but I guess I'm just thinking that instead of just having 50

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or 60 grand making some minimal interest somewhere, we really And since again, we ought to take that 50 or 60 grand and and go to our friends of the county and remind them they've never built a single foot of multi-use path south of Highway

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98 and 66. and at least say give us another 50 or 60 grand and let's go build >> let's go build a quarter of a mile or half a mile of multi-use path. I don't know whether like the Lake Serena trail path CD is absolutely tied to somewhere

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that connects to Lake Serena or if we could build a multi-use path along Wester Lake, you know, going out from Tangerine towards Catfish Creek Road. I'd rather put 50 or $60,000 to use in

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its generally intended category than just, you know, letting it sit like that. So, just for future thought, >> I agree. I think we need to discuss a multi use path from Placid Lakes like we originally planned through the spoke property and bring that up again. It's

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going to come up for utilities again soon, I'm sure, because we may need easements in the future. And I think that was a good plan and there's a little money in there now. >> Yeah. I know 60 grand doesn't build much path, but it's >> at least it gets us a property and puts it on the table for now. We don't have to finish a path. At least have access

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to the property and get the easements. I thought >> and this is not related but I'm assuming under I know we're not talking about CRA tonight but I'm assuming whatever time to whatever is the maximum appropriate

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level whatever time that Evas and Rachel's of the world are spending on CRA were booking to CRA and not just booking to general town administration correct >> we have not done we They have not

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allocated staff's time to CRA. >> No. >> Why wouldn't we with that becoming an increasing revenue stream, why wouldn't we be booking the appropriate legal amount of time to CRA? I I think in the

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past there was the interpretation of the CRA plan not allowing project management management and other time. We got that clarified right with we got the project management clarified. Have we clarified

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that we can take staff time and allocate it to it? >> We we have never clarified that. We could do project management, >> but the way our our plan is written doesn't stipulate having a salaried or or a reimbursement of administrative

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costs. >> We we'll we'll take that on. I mean, it's a good question. We'll take it on. >> Think about that. Well, now we got whatever it is, a500 or $600,000 fund that takes some management and and we should be charging that against

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the CRA and saving some of general admin cost, >> right? We we didn't think it was, but then we did get the feedback from Central Florida Planning, who I guess helped establish that yes, we could charge

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project management fees to it, but we didn't specifically say, well, what about staff? So, we'll go back and follow up on that. That's a good point. And then just on the uh the trails comment. So um in July of so a year ago uh the council

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approved to have a master plan with trails and parks connectivity using catalyst who spring lake is using. Um and it didn't go, you know, it it didn't get further along on Charlotte's uh radar. So the chief and I have started

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that conversation back up with the person again. um to do a master plan on some of our parks and trails. The feedback we had from him was it could connect to the the Tri County Trail that's coming

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around um Scrub Park and up Capfish Creek and we could connect to that and he said there are all kinds of grants we can get for trail connectivity and that so this could be some nice call it matching money and things like that to help. There is, if you look at

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[clears throat] the HRTPO's FDOT money a couple years out, they've got hundreds of thousands of dollars to do a little bridge over Catfish Creek and to do I mean, it's several hundred,000 dollars to build a couple hundred feet of path

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from the creek to whatever that road is, that little mini subdivision that's just east of the bridge. And it and that goes absolutely nowhere. So there is no money to go from there into town. um you know the money to be on the north

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the south side of West Enerlake I think is only a year or two out Highlands County but that every every year gets kind of put off and I I think again it's something if nothing else we need to put pressure on whoever is our Lake Placid

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area county commissioner come November and and say we need we need to get some investment down here. They're getting ready to build again another couple million dollars worth of multi-purpose path up between Sbran and

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Avon Park. So, I mean they're building and building. They're putting playgrounds on the path between Sbran and Avon Park and we're not getting a damn dime anywhere in the greater Lake Placid area. And we've just got to collectively both our town council and

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the area residents push harder for some more investment down here. >> Right. Agree. So, so you'll see as soon as we get some feedback on this master plan, it'll come back again. But we were pretty excited to hear there's a lot of

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opportunities for funding for trails um trails and connectivity pathway um grants. So, and you know, they did survey down Catfish Creek and Inner Lake. The county was out there surveying, you know, about four months a

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four months or so ago um for a multi- use path. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, if I'm not wrong, and I I could be, they are still planning on building, I'm going to call it a sidewalk on the south side of West

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Enter Lake, and it's going to cost them even more because they're going to have to go through all kinds of people's driveways, blah blah blah. And we've told him, and we've had this conversation with JD Langford when he was county engineer, and now he's a county assistant administrator. Geez, JD, we have we have extra ride utility

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right away on the north side. we have a lot more stuff. It'd be a lot easier to build multi-use path, you know, that's six feet wide instead of a three or four foot wide sidewalk on the south side. And they just have kind of got obstinate

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about it, frankly. And again, Madame Mayor, I would suggest that's just something you probably want to have a conversation with them about and say if you could spend the same amount of money and have a path that was 50% wider and and have it pass across fewer driveways.

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I mean, if nothing else, I think it connects this few sidewalks we have along Tangerine and to the park area, you know, to Lake June Point to if there ever was that new subdivision by Lake June Point and and

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becomes the base of a further multi-use path out to Placid Lakes. And just think for the area how much use the general citizenry would get if we actually had a multi-use path that kind of took you from Devain Park and you could go on it all the way out to Placid Lakes. I mean,

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I just think that would get a tremendous amount of bike and jogging use. So >> definitely >> even a fat guy like me uses multi-use pass where I'm where they're at, you know. So >> we just need to make sure we put a lot of benches along the way for you, right?

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>> I can I can make it now. Um, I did not realize that the county is still pushing for the opposite side of the road. So, >> I am 99% sure. I mean, I remember we've had conversations and the county always says, "Well, we'll consider it." And

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then when they say, "Well, no, that's what it's slated for." And so, just be aware. >> Appreciate that. >> Okay. Any other comments? >> Um, I'm I'm being dense on this part. But I understand the uh fund minimum balance requirement, but I'm having

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trouble matching it up to the n numbers on the left since to know if where we're at. So like for example, the first one um between 140,000 and 900 some thousand which number should I match it up to? Is

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it the 2,881 >> or which one is it? >> The budget. So you have to take the >> previous year budget. The budget >> the pre the previous year budget is what what is it looked at the year before? >> So the budget is 5,880. >> Yes.

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>> Yeah. So but how do I know if we're if we meet our goal? What number can I use to see if that we're meeting our goal? >> Um the 1 million470 is for the general fund showing that it's basically the >> the the greater of it's going to be 25%

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of the previous year budget or it's going to be three months of. So whichever grade [clears throat] is 1.4. >> So okay. So for that one we're in good shape. >> Correct. Correct. >> Yes, that is correct. >> Okay. And then so for the next one, the

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uh the enterprise fund which is around 600,000 is that matching up to which number? >> It'll be the the 17% >> water. It's

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>> be the 17% which is 646,000. >> It's >> Yeah, but on the left hand side of the on the other side of the chart. >> No, go back up, Chief. Chief, scroll up to the water. >> So, >> so it's the water. >> Point me over to Okay. So, >> so basically I understand

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compared to the 712. >> So, okay, that's what I want to know. So, I had to match that up to the 712. >> And so, we're in good shape on that one. I'm looking for Rachel. Is it? Yes, you. >> Okay. I wanted to make sure it was a 712

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and not a 375. >> That was good. Yes. >> Yeah. And then keep going to wastewater. >> So, we're good there. And then wastewater. Um, we match up to the 493. >> This would be the 603, which is the

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greater of. >> Yeah, it's the greater of. So, we need 603. But which number on the left do I compare to to see if we're in good shape? the 493. So, we're not in good shape there particularly, >> which is why we're continue to raise the

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rates. >> And then, okay, then for the other one, it's the greater of which is the 178 and we match that up to the the what? The third the 41,000 >> uh the 39. >> The 39.

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Okay. So, that takes care of that. And then Okay. So that's okay. So we're pretty good for wastewater, not good for sanitation, and we're good for water,

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and we're good for general >> general water and cemetery. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions, comments from council? If we're getting ready to wrap up, my

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question is >> I'll go out to the audience on this one and then we can anybody in the audience. >> Margaret Deer, 1504 French Street. Um, talking about the trails, there's a rung club called the Reyes Run Club that is meeting three times a week at Deain Park

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and their numbers are swelling. Um, one of the things that they've talked about is that they can't make a full circle on a sidewalk to do a run in the evenings in Lake Placid because they get to Lake Rashard and that's the sidewalk to nowhere. So, a multi-use path or at

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least completing a circuit of sidewalks in the town would be super fantastic. The other part is is that um the Highlands County Board of County Commissioners made their budget presentation last Thursday night and it was made abundantly clear that the town

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of Lake Placid has not been the recipient of the generosity of the board of county commissioners because the town of Lake Placid has never asked for anything. So, I'm here to inform you today that you now have an advocate in a group called 33852

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connect that will serve as a conduit of making asks of the board of county commissioners and will continue to ask and continue to ask to make sure that the town of Lake Placid is getting its fair share. So, I'm taking wishlists

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at hello 33852connect.org. >> Thank you. And um just on your comment on the gap in the sidewalk over off of H Heartland in front of Lake Rashard, uh Chief and I and Allen, we've been having that discussion of who do we need to go

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to talk to to the county to kind of restart that conversation because that's where the smoke 5K run has to get out in the road to bypass that whole area. So just trying to get the history and trying to move that along. And yes to um

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Miss Dear's comment is a lot of us did go to the county commissioner meeting, I'm sorry, the um the budget meeting that was given for Lake Placid and we did do some asks a second year in a row. I asked them about increase in the $125,000

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contribution for the parks and how they evenly distributed and even talked about the um the the wider like the greater Lake Placid area that puts the pressure on our parks. And that was the second year in a row. Even though we ask, you

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know, we get told it is what it is. So, we will continue to ask and take as many people up there when we have a specific thing to go ask for. So, thank you for that. Anybody else? Okay. Um, Council Member Royce, did you

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have some? >> Yes. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to I'm going to ask Mayor, you and the staff to think about um on the budget impact for events. I think we you ought to run the numbers

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and you ought to have a maximum PD expense for the Green Dragon 5K of of of $1,000. I think you ought to have zero for the Christmas tree lighting, >> I think, for the caladium. >> We got to pull those charts. Somebody

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got them. Okay. So, green dragon was what? >> $1,000. >> Okay. So what in other words, I think we have to bite the Christmas parade, the fireworks, and the homecoming parade. But I think we ought to limit the Green

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Dragon 5K to $1,000, a police department expense. We ought to give nothing. We ought to spend nothing for the Christmas tree lighting. We need to limit the Cadium Festival and arts and crafts fair each to $3,500. We should give nothing to the Halloween

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event. And we should limit the smoke family funded to $1,500. And if and I didn't add it all up, but I think right there is there's 10 or 12 grand or 11 grand or something.

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>> Huh? >> Well, that'd be our total expense. Okay. So, >> he just >> No, he took out,310, right? So, he's >> I wouldn't take it. That's what I was >> I mean, you're you're reducing the green dragon from 23 to,000. I I I didn't have

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a chance to do the math, but I perceive it's 11 or 12,000 of savings. I mean, it's it's $7,400 we save on the Cladium and Arts and Crafts Festival. Gets to 85 with the Halloween event. It gets to about 10

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grand with the smoke deal. Um, it gets to about 113, 115, 11. So, I mean, it's somewhere around just shy of $12,000 of savings. >> And and I would cut the U Halloween event entirely.

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>> That's what Yeah, he's >> Did you say that? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah. Okay. And >> I'm not quite ready to do that yet. >> Yeah, if I if I may. Uh the a lot of the money for the Halloween event, at least in uh public works, that's the road closure, stocking the restrooms, and

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then we have an employee there restocking the restrooms because uh the years prior we had it was empty in 40 minutes. So, we've had to have an employee there to keep the bathrooms clean during the event.

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>> I think he's just talking about the PB part. >> I didn't I didn't take a penny out of the public works. I I think we should long term, but I did not take a penny out of that. >> I think these are just events and and and certainly, Mr. SAP, I'm happy to

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phase our way in, but if we don't start to cut back on some of this and ask these event organizers to contribute towards the PD special detail, we're losing $15,000 a year apparently on spee

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detail >> and we need to recapture some of that. I would agree. But the just another way of looking at this is that the chamber makes a lot of money in their event. The smoke event makes money in their event. The Halloween event is good for the

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town. My wife's office is involved in that. The whole community gets together and buys candy and puts together and it brings all the kids into town. I think it's a good event for getting the kids off all the streets and neighborhoods. Your neighborhood as well. I don't follow the same night. Probably still either way. >> It's a different night. It doesn't help.

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But it's it's been a good event and it the lady who puts it on, she is a realtor. I don't think she gets a lot of credit. I don't think she does. Maybe she does. Might be missing something, but she puts a lot into this. >> And before we take it off, I'd like for her to >> maybe present and let us hear her side

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of it first for this particular event just because we've been involved in it for a while. I have personally >> and it doesn't raise money for anything other than helping the community. And it doesn't even raise money. It just >> I I know I know she's she does a lot. She does a lot. She's a good person. puts a lot of her own money into it. But

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if we're going to try and winnow this down, >> if we whittle that one down, it'll go away. These others will not go away because they ain't money on the events. >> Yeah, I I agree with Greg. I think we need to keep the Halloween event. >> I won't keep funding. >> I won't die on that hill, you know. I mean, it's

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>> Okay, let it be. Let it be. So, back to the two chamber. Would you be open to um So, you're saying 3500. What about taking it to three? Because earlier we're going to bump the chamber membership 2500.

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>> I think we should trade it for membership. >> That's what that's kind of where I'm going is bumping it up that much. >> Madame Mayor, I don't I I hate to say it this way. I don't care what numbers you all come up with. >> Okay. >> I just want to see some movement,

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>> okay, >> towards reducing some of that police cost. I don't want to create a problem for Allen where we're starting to cut public works and then it creates a bigger problem at the end of the deal and that's why I didn't but I think for this police we just need we need to go

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find even if it's between all those three or four events seven or eight grand or something we just need to claw back some of that police expense and I don't and if they say we want to hire private or whatever right >> fine I don't

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>> and then increase the cost to the >> vendors the vendors, right? >> There's our air conditioner. >> I mean, >> they can't they can't hire >> I the numbers I don't care what ultimately the numbers are. I would just like for you all to think how do we take some money out of those for the police

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department special detail. >> They can't hire private for what RPD charges them. Private is much more expensive. So, >> we charge them nothing. No, >> no, but I mean if they if they did um

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dollars per hour, etc., etc., they private would be much more expensive for them. >> I mean like Christmas tree lighting is a great example of why we spend a dime >> on a private >> journal plaza event. >> So, this is good direction

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and input and we'll go back and and come back with, you know, pretty much this with these comments. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Just to clarify, the reason that we spent money at the Christmas tree lighting or the reason that it was waved

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was because it was in con it was in concert with the chamber and they did the road shutdown and invited businesses out, all the businesses along Maine and Interlake to set up down there for the event. That's that's how they tried to bring everybody into it.

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>> This is going to bring me to probably the point I was ultimately going to get to. I think we ought to minimize the number of [clears throat] times we shut down, in particular, North Maine. And I and if if I was king of the world, we'd go to Stewart Avenue and we

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would create a place like Steuart Avenue that was very easy to shut down that people could put the barricades out on Friday and pick them up on Monday and spend next to nothing. and we'd string some lights and we would have that's where those kinds of street festivals,

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fairs, food truck things, they would all occur there where there's there's a pavilion. There's restrooms and to me we ought to designate that next to that green space and that's where those things ought to go. It's very centrally located in the central part of town.

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It's within a four or five minute walk of wherever else you might want to go in Lake Plen. And that's why I think we need to start working towards taking advantage of Steuart Avenue. >> I get that feedback a lot. The parking's better over there. The whole atmosphere,

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more people can come. I I get that a lot of feedback on using Steuart Park or even Deain Park more. I' I've said that for two or three years now. I wanted to move the the uh the farmers market there and I thought I was going to get killed.

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But that to me, we've got to bring some business and some people down to Interlake. We owe those businesses on Interlake some exposure. And I I totally agree with Ry. I think we need to move some of these places to Steuart Park because it's just a lot more immunable

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to the things that we need to do. >> Good. Other comments? Yeah, that actually splits Kim Leon's properties. He'll probably be up for that now. >> Yeah, [laughter] he gets to try to cross the street now. Yeah. Yeah, he might be better with it. >> Okay. Any comments from the audience?

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Anything else from staff? So, three minutes to go. I call this meeting adjourned. >> Can I I think maybe you said no no this is you know is the intent to try to wrap up >> next with workshops next week. Yeah,

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we'll be we'll make these comments. We'll come back. Um and next week is CRA for the first part. We get that CRA budget done and then we want to roll into the 5 10 year plan so that we have it all together. >> Okay. >> And um and then we're going to do uh the

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utilities um and then we'll do fee structure. So >> my goal is two meetings and we're done. as one member, I'd rather read than if we have to go an extra half an hour or an extra hour to kind of get it done than come back for a third. >> Appreciate that because then if by

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chance there is any changes, we have first reading that we can make any tweaking before we go to second. So, thank you for giving us that challenge. >> Okay.