agency meeting and board of adjustments meeting uh we appreciate your attendance this evening we do have two specific meetings that we will have to open and close each individually um uh before we get started I do want to mention a couple things I
want to introduce someone in the room Miss Tina kwell please wave her hand over there she is our new Deputy Clerk and learning and learning she she will be ultimately taking over serving as clerk
for local planning agency and board of adjustments that'll be the ultimate endgame and Evo will be more focused on uh Town Council and CRA which I'm sure is plenty um now Eva is about to be away for a Time spending some time with
family see in the world and so we'll actually have Tina uh as clerk for our April meeting correct all right I do want to give just a PSA for anybody that happens to speak on a microphone tonight please talk directly into it they're
designed just to pick up what's right in front of it and so uh we want to be loud and clear for the record but also so we can hear each other because there's still quite a bit of ambience in the room but with that said uh let's open the LPA side of the meeting local planning agency and Eva would you please
call the role oh sorry Tina would you oh Tina's up Tina's you're just here to observe Tina would you please call the moral support yeah chairman Woods
here board member edgman board member James oxer board member Freeman here alternate board member Duncan here alternate board member Ramos here
thank you with that said uh let's have um a review and approval of consent agenda you they miss Donald sorry oh we're missing one we missed did
yeah Mr Clark Donald Clark just board member Donald Clark here you're doing great Tina you're you're just fine it's a lot to keep together uh with that said uh let's move on to
review and approval of the consent agenda for local planning agency March 3rd meeting for tonight I'll wait to entertain a motion a motion to accept it I'll second moot motion from Mr Freeman a
second from Mr Clark any further discussion hearing none Tina please call the role Gary Freeman yes Donald Clark yes Dustin Woods yes Jack
edgman James oxner Chris Chris Duncan yes Alex Ramos yes all right all right this point let me uh turn the meeting over to Dana ryell
our contracted planner for the town of Lake plid Miss Rell thank you very much as noted Dana Rell contract planner for the town of Lake Placid the first order of business tonight will be discussion of a
potential RV and boat storage facility at 1346 US Highway 27 North in Lake Placid 3385 to so I'd like to preface this discussion with
the understanding that this is an an orthodox method that is being used tonight and we've taken a note from City of Sebring who when there is a proposed
zoning and future land use change in the city of Sebring they often times welcome uh like a preemptive introduction to the project to directly to the Town Council who is the final decision making
board and they do this because sometimes Town Council will specifically request additional items for their consideration or provide additional feedback or even sometimes
tell them that this isn't something that they might want to see in the area to spare the applicant from spending money and trying to develop that particular use on that particular property or sometimes they encourage certain things to happen on that
property it could work any which of many ways but I need to clarify this is not a public hearing everything that is said tonight is said without the backing of a staff analysis
this this is your first look at the project and what is said tonight is not binding so the board couldn't agree tonight yes we will pass this at this time you do not know if you can pass
this or deny this so this will just be for discussion right so this item is simply for a discussion and this particular property is many of you will think of it as the three homes on 27 as
you drive south into town they're not actually homes they're Medical Offices um they're not too far from town hall and where we sit today and the owner is requesting to do an an RV and boat storage facility and the
conversation has kind of gone back and forth between what would what would the local planning agency and the Town Council so let me also say this when Went to Town Council Town Council felt like they
would need more guidance from local planning agency to even be able to open a conversation on this and that they're relying heavily on the local planning agency and their recommendations in order to guide this applicant so tonight will be the last time that this
applicant appears before the Town Council or the local planning agency before making an official application that that is submitted with all the details some of the items that have been for discussion are whether or
not the O the buildings for the proposed use should remain open on the sides if a metal building can be used like metal including metal signing um if uh the fence along to mocha should be on the inside or the
outside of the buffer um and I think the other Hot Topic is a frontage road requirement the town code requires Frontage and backage roads on us27 arterial
roads and this property has some semblance of a connection at this point and the property owner is looking to see if that is something the local planning agency wants to continue to pursue on
this project property so I'll go ahead and let Mr Manning come up and actually give a more formal introduction to his project and in front of us tonight um the applicants brought some renderings that were put together Unfortunately
they didn't make it into the packets so these will be kept by the Town Clerk and made part of the permanent record for anyone who wants to view them at a later time they're also right here on top of in front of me and in front of the podium
and and then there's other items in the package so the applicant provided some photos of the types of storage facilities that they would be looking to place I'm just scrolling through these pictures real quick so you kind of
get an idea and then there's also this site plan here and it looks like I have it oriented upside down but this is us27 they're showing several buildings here and
they're asking I'll I'll go ahead and let the applicant explain more uh Mr Manning or Mrs Manning if you'd like to come up good evening uh my name is Kevin Manning couple of the things that we're we're looking for some guidance and and
trying to provide some clarity before we spend additional funds and we're not looking to necessarily waste your time or our time or our Engineers time um as far as the property we're not proposing buildings we're proposing coverage
structures uh the idea here is to provide a a convenient location for our customers to house their boats and their RVs out of the uh Suns Rays they're not going to be uh we're not looking to enclose them to create
condos uh to the essence of somebody being able to work in them or spend the night um that's not our intention uh we felt the location was convenient to many of the lakes in the area without having to drive out into
the sugar fields to find a piece of land and just let somebody Park out in nowhere um couple of the things that we've run across in communicating with the town prior to submitting our application
one was the requirement or current requirement of having a frontage road run in parallel to us27 in front of this property um we did not see or could we understand the need for that Frontage Road as it
pertains to our specific development we also in presenting it to the Town Council while there was not a uh a general consensus of yes or no it was stated by several board members that
they did not see or feel that that requirement pertained to this property we're also very Al eager and and willing to someone brought up the concern of what if what if we sell um we more than more than willing to put
it deeded that if that property use were to change outside of what we're proposing that would be a requirement of the new developer or new Builder um other things that have come into play was the concern
of metal s metal building and again we're frowning on on the metal building we've we've had conversations back and forth with with Dana um you know they've all been positive conversations and looking for Solutions looking for
feedback trying to get a consensus of what may be perceived and and what may not be perceived um our reasoning for not having sides is we want the visibility Factor if even though with our security system if somebody's
wandering around and within that property we want them seen from 27 as drivers go by it could be could be Donald driving by and calling up buddy his bill and say hey you got somebody washing your boat today or working on your boat cuz I just drove by and
there's two guys got tools and doing something um so we've presented a couple different things uh one understanding that you know we're not trying to we're not looking to build a building rather we're looking to put covered storage a couple
of the photos that we supplied are pictures of not necessarily what we envision but it's these photos are WM harvesting which is just down the street from us a couple hundred yards next to them is a new RV
dealership that just opened up very very similar uh you know pictures very similar views are going to be as they pass by um with the understanding that there's not a really high acceptance or
y'all would prefer um and I say they collectively not you directly but don't want to see metal buildings just coming down US 27 we had proposed at one point in time
we'll be willing to put a you know a nice burm landscape it professionally and and have a nice privacy wall on top of that burm that would equal the roof line of the buildings uh and presenting that to the council and again everything here is we're trying to find out what's
going to stick against the wall for lack of better words um without spending a lot of time saying hey how about this how about this and what was shared with us by the Town Council was also they weren't in favor of having a huge privacy wall running along 27 there um
so our you know our thought process at this point is we present it very similar to the renderings that we have here today with the understanding that we've opened this to these renderings just leaving them as as a plain view at this time but if
there was an a need or a necessity to potentially create a little bit of a landscape berm in front of these and put some decorative Landscaping that would also you know include with our overall project those were those were the things that we kept on coming against and and
and Dana trying to qualify the Project based on the information that's required by the town and what the town is trying to do we kept coming up to a couple hurdles we're trying to find Solutions and some clarification before we
proceed thank you Mr Manning uh was was that all pre as a preliminary yes sir sharing to the group good deal any any questions thus far anything well let me ask you first anything that you need to add to what he has shared for the sake of this group's
understanding of some of the yes sir if I also to touch on so since we purchased this property unrelated to us tamoka Heights uh determined that they had vegetation that
was growing through a fence that was on the property line basically our northwest corner of the property and requested permission to access our property to remove such landscaping and fencing in doing so what used to be a
privacy fence is now a black fence and Landscaping that needs to grow probably has a 5 to sevene growth rate before anybody's going to be happy with it um for us we don't necessarily have a concern with it but in our meeting with
tamoka Heights and sharing with them what our intentions are with the property tamoka Heights had asked us if we would be willing to consider in our landscape plan adding something on our site side of the fence um to assist in
what they're trying to achieve uh we've had further communication with them in recent weeks then another section of fence directly to the west of us um right now they have two fences they have a chain link fence that is needs to be
replaced and several owners have gone through there and put up their own version of their own privacy fence um it's an eyesore on our side and it's an eyesore on their side they've asked as me if we would Grant permission or if we' have a problem with them accessing
the property again removing the fence and putting up one type of privacy fence along the entire section there um we're looking to be neighborly with them we also at the same time during the clearing process by their contractors they found a Transformer of theirs that
was on our property IT Supplies 11 homes and it was ripped out of the ground fortunately nobody was injured but we've also Incorporated in their new fence rather than having to access our site they can now access that Transformer with theirs by granting them some
section of the property uh to run their fence onto our property line um with that said having our completing our meeting with tamoka Heights it's also understanding that we have their support um with this project or the intended use
of the of that property as we proposed they had one concern of the few houses that do neighbor our property line what are they going to see and within the proposed site plan we had
actually had one of our uh covered uh structures closer to their property line and with further communication with Dana and and looking for ideas and suggestions the idea was we we know we need a retention area
um rather having the retention area in the middle we moved the retention area to the rear which allowed us to move that building away from the property line so the the right now and without having a we talked about it today is at some point time we'll do a topographic
study and and we'll get our elevation points but for all intentional purposes my property is sitting here the back of their houses are sitting here when they're sitting in their Lai or inside their kitchen area looking out a window what they see is is the top of their
fence they can't see our property even when I'm mowing along that line in my tractor I can't see over that fence they can only see the top of my cab going by um with that rough measurement and doing
the calculations which we will we'll have more uh professional viewings of that for future reference we appear we feel that their vision is not going to change our building is going to be f far enough away that when they look up they're going to see the top of their fence line
they're going to see the skyline and the Horizon like they always have with no obstructions from our produ thank you Mr Manning let me bring it back to the planning Council uh any questions from you guys for Town staff
or Mr Manning or any commentary how would you access it um would it be a separate entrance or coming in off of HealthWay the entrance that's there the doctor's office the entrance that's there already has deceleration lanes and acceleration
Lanes on both sides of 27 um so that would be our our primary entrance the rear entrance or I'm going to say I'm going to refer to it as the rear entrance that is down by the uh uh medical buildings that are currently still being used by the hospital the
therapy and and and the gym that entrance would be closed off um we're going to provide a fencing and an interest strictly for in the event we need Fire Department in there emergency services that there would be an alternate exit
and entrance um but we our in our initial traffic study our primary entrance and our primary use would reduce the uh traffic flow that was currently in place while they're still being offices I've got a question
um these three houses that are there yes sir that's inside your property right yes sir what are you going to do with those one would be the primary office for for the operations um naturally will make them look a little bit better than they look today try and do something a
little more appeasing uh the third one would be utilized for maintenance items and and storage um related to the business not to individuals the third house right now the the option and the idea is a lot of these facilities will
have on-site management um whether there are seasonal or yearround individuals that come into the area um that would be converted back into a home and to where we have management and eyes on the property 247
okay there's another building it looks like just to the uh looks like West is that one you're going to build or is that is that one there you see at the that would be a that would be a new covered area that would go where the um
where the current retention area is okay that would end up behind the houses right uh I got a question that's about who who's going to be there is someone going to be there all the time that's
that's the idea yes okay I think that covers it except for the entrance way to make it clear we see the one from 27 but where's the other one coming in right here okay that would
be for emergency access only I mean currently there's there's a a road that the uh the previous Property Owners put in to access the medical offices without going on to 27 um but we feel traffic through there would not be in our best interest or the
communities okay thank you yes sir is this a gated facility yes sir be controlled access we're um and to answer that we're our initial concept and our Initial Ideas we're not looking to
provide 247 um we want to and as some individuals may want to get on the road a little bit earlier than others um in our concept in the front section here where all the parking is
right along 27 in front we may incorporate outside of our gated area um this is going to be a drop or a pickup zone to where it doesn't affect the uh the residents we don't sometimes individuals that are fishing off say uh going over to the
Atlantic side or going to the gulf they want to get out there early and you know coming in at 4:00 4:30 in the morning to grab the boat to be there at Sunrise um we're not looking to disturb tamoka Heights so we're we're looking
at I ideas and that we haven't fine-tuned 100% but we are going to restrict the hours of access com I have a question so is the gate going to be parallel with us27 all the
way through the entrance off of 27 or is the fence to start at the buildings so part part of our part of our the discovery that we're trying to you know incorporate or get some feedback here is whether it would take into consideration
if there's going to be do we need to go back to the drawing board and reincorporate a privacy wall or can we take that off the equation and based on you know the feedback from the from the council and hopefully some feedback
from this evening our next step is is now where we going to put the gate we don't want the gate right up near 27 because we don't want to create while we don't foresee more than one or two coming in at one time might be friends that both came off of Lake June or maybe
lake plid or Francis what have you and they're going to drop their jet skis off at the same time or maybe they're they're going camping and they're taking their two campers back um we don't want to create uh a holding pattern right along 27 we want to get them off 27 onto
our property property before they come up to the keypad and the gate and the location of that gate um more than likely is going to be well in I mean ideally we're going to try and factor in worst case let's say we've got 10 that are coming in at one time we want to
make sure that we've got room for 10 to be there without impacting 27 you may have already explained this uh or I may have overlooked at in the packet is this a piece of property that you already own yes sir okay do you also own other pieces of property in the lake
plet area that you've considered for this project no sir okay on the the building closest to 27 it shows on the plans a closed wall um that's different than what I'm looking at here right that's the yes sir with
um in in conversation and and again trying to trying to come up with an application and with a lot of different moving pieces and and you know basically for lack of better words some wh ifs
um trying to get a compromise to get it to you we've had different ideas presented to us what would be willing you know what would we be willing to do to to incorporate this or to do entice this um and so we've put
in these were areas that we would consider um again our our goal here is we don't want to create condos and other than the building right along 27 the all the other buildings have access from both sides or will have access from both
sides so to put a wall up or to have a permanent wall in that area without incorporating garage doors um wouldn't work ideally we we ourselves are not supportive of the wall but again we're trying to um I'm trying to make it work
if that's what it takes you know what we'll put a wall up understood yes sir yeah um I had a a question about has anyone talked to you from tamoka I mean I know you said you talked to people at tamoka about the way this is going to
look because your renderings they don't look exactly like down the street where where there's boats not all lined up real nice the renderings you show are you know different each one's different and all that so
aesthetically have you had anybody talk to you about they don't like the looks of it all exposed like that no sir the the um in our initial in our initial meeting uh we went to a a monthly meeting with Tomoka Heights and and it
was our understanding walking out of that meeting and and also as tamoka Heights Board as as HOA board is relayed to us um we have their support okay the concern that tamoka Heights has brought
up is right now if you travel by 6 months ago you barely notice the houses that are behind us um now because they took out the vegetation that was there and and the old fence and put the new fence in you drive by and and even
though that black fence is very attractive it's it's uh it's naked um you can see through they're catching they're catching noise they're seeing 27 in sections that they didn't want to see and didn't want to hear they're they're not so much opposed to the houses that
are already there they just didn't like they had some privacy and then that privacy is gone what we've what we have assured them is we will work with them to help um provide some some cover um and and give
them some privacy back uh in our Landscaping plan as well as in conversations with them one of the things that brought up is every boat and every RV that's parked is going to act as a sound barrier um
things will reflect off that and hopefully go should go back towards 27 rather than transferring through I mean we're not going to take all the way all the noise away that's on 27 throughout the night um but we think we're going to assist in some of that noise being
diminished I just I just have one more more Mr yes sir uh and that is the Landscaping you don't show any Landscaping but you do plan on putting Landscaping along 27 yes sir in the front all the way down and also in the back some form yes sir on on the other
side yes sir we I mean naturally we're going to I don't want to say that we're just going to go with the minimum um but we're also based on some feedback and some comments is you know it it goes back to first one is where we
need to concentrate the Landscaping on are we is is it look like it's going to be more favorable towards having a privacy wall versus no privacy wall um side of the side on the building or no side on the building that's closest to
27 because all that factors in with our landscaping and and what we're what we're trying to Envision what we're trying to achieve um all those moving pieces will help us compile that and then naturally you know yeah yes sir I bring that up because there isn't much
room there to put you know really decent Landscaping that goes up you know like wax myrtles or or whatever taller trees medium siiz not not oak trees but yeah it just doesn't look like there's much room there I think we've allocated about um and I'm going off memory and I'm
looking at the drawing up above I think we've got 40 ft that we're in from the property line okay so that that that should okay we feel that 40 ft we we actually went a little bit larger than
than what was um what is normally required um in an effort so that we can add some more in that's good thank you yes sir you guys have asked some good questions uh I certainly want to uh make this as valuable as possible for Mr
Manning are there any recommendations I think that's really what he's looking at uh Miss Ventress would you please uh just take the stand so we have it on record Thank You paness 12373 Lost Lake Drive so I attended the town council meeting where
this was discussed uh first off I think it's great for the economic development to have more land utiliz and paying taxes however and I don't agree with all of the late plas Regional plan but some of the things that I think are extremely
important are backage and Frontage roads Central Water and Sewer the and this that Lake posa Regional plan was planned and the core part was Highway 27 Frontage and backage Roads so Mr Manning
State at Town Council I mean that was I thought you said you had some like non-negotiables um which would be the frontage road and also you had an issue with the Landscaping I'm not saying that the town doesn't go overboard with Landscaping but that's something I guess
you'll have to work out down the road what think back to the dollar store in 27 what you required them to do you required like the frontage backage road 7-Eleven down on State Road 70 there was 22 acre parcel they're not even in the
town limits they're in the lake classed Regional plan they had some outdoor storage they had the 7-Eleven actual like gas station but then you made them plan the phases all together they wanted outdoor storage you had them set back sidewalks have to go there was all these
different conditions so you're not picking on him these are the rules of the Lake plid Regional plan if you don't like him change those rules through the process Nazarene Church you just had them multi-use path that was something that's in there there are reasons
because this is the foundation and this is what as long as I've been attending the meting this is what you said you wanted you want Frontage and backage Roads so um just something to think about then whether it's a steel building or what whatever the building is Greg
Sapp was a town council member and sat on the councel when he was trying to build outdoor storage and he ended up having to pay 400,000 more um in architectural cost because of the Town
Lake pla Regional plan uh ordinances so um it's just if you start changing the rules and I know you don't know because you haven't gone deep I guess into how things are done but if you allow this for this person everybody
else is going to come up behind and say well I don't want a frontage road I don't want this I don't want that I mean go a little bit easier on people I think than what y'all normally do but there are some good rules and there's a reason for it thank you thank you ma'
uh any recommendations uh from this board uh for Mr Manning and and company that might be helpful or useful for them as they move forward since this is not a decision making meeting from what I understand it's not even a recommendation meeting this is a
discussion to just try to get all the Brain Trust talking about it to see if we could get things set up best for you guys so to Planning and Zoning what are the challenges what are what are they trying to I would say
overcome but adapt to or make this work outside of what is standard so this property is currently zoned Highlands County R3 multif family residential so it's vested for multifam
hotel motel uses in order to change the proposed use on the property they have to go through a zoning change because this is in the LPR RP it automatically triggers a zoning change to PD so he can ask for relief from a few things and also offer
a few things to the town of Lake plid the underlying zoning District that would be most compatible and comparable with this particular use would be the town of Lake Placid C1 Highway
commercial District in the C1 District storage is only allowed in an enclosed building the only time or the only place in Lake plid you could have unenclosed storage is in our C3 District which is
light industrial that's like the areas along the railroad tracks Richfield and things of that nature so in that regard it's not it's there there's some deviations being
requested um in addition to the fact that there currently is a and I'd have to do more research and I'd have to get like a survey that had all the title work and all of these things but there is a road that connects
from healthy way as it stands today to us27 so I understand that this does not make the project more feasible for the applicants but a lot of times when a developer
isn't prepared to provide a Frontage or backage road it's because they have to construct the entire thing and that is cost prohibitive in this case the road does
exist so we're asking to deviate in that regard um in terms of landscaping so I think Landscaping to soften the nature of the
property does provide a benefit I don't know if it's I would leave it to the local planning agency and the Town Council to decide if
that benefit makes up for the unenclosed storage there are metal buildings throughout town there are uncovered or just covered storage facilities that aren't enclosed I can't necessarily speak to a lot of them a lot
of them are grandfathered um I think some of the ones we have pictures here in our packet may have even included a previous staff oversight something that should have been addressed at that
time if the residents of tamoka are in favor of putting the fence on the outside of this this property instead of on the inside I would leave it to the residents of tamoka to provide some kind of approval in writing stating that um
it's great that Mr Manning attended a tamoka meeting but generally the purpose of offense for screening is to reduce both sound and
soften visual impacts to protect property values so having the fence on the outside of the Landscaping it would have to be up to the residents of tamoka to determine if
that's in their best interest I just don't have anything included at this time um in the information I've been provided that shows that to be the case the one of the buildings being used
for um residents to protect the property I have no opposition to that's a standard practice in the T in certain areas in Lake plid and in Highlands County especially because it's next to
the residential neighborhood I think that would only offer a benefit so really the hurdles are if the building needs to be enclosed or not and so that's something we've kind of
discussed before and that's I think where some of these notes came from is you know I said well what if we had a middle ground instead of fully requiring the buildings to be enclosed we enclos them along 27 and on the sides so when
you're driving down 27 you don't see it um and then leaving this side open and the insides open and if tamoka is okay with having the rear open then you know that that again would be up to
tamoka to make the decision to come in support or opposition if we did enclose these buildings my recommendation wouldn't be to enclose them with with metal um as I
understand that that that is something that the town has only gotten more stringent on as the years went by I think a couple years ago at first it was just required on one facade of the building and a couple years ago the text was revised to require all sides of the
building to provide a facade that isn't metal or no more than 10% metal so in keeping in line with the spirit of the town the spirit of the code the character and identity of the town of Lake Placid I do think it's
important that we hold this development to the same standard as other developments that have come in in recent years in that regard thank you Mr Rell any recommendations from the board for Mr
Manning before I close out this part of the meeting Mr chairman I just have a comment about what she just talked about about and if it's just on the front or even yeah but just on the front and by itself and not connected construction
wise that's a disaster in a hurricane a big heavy wind will just come and just rip that the shreds if you got the whole thing together and built properly like what it's supposed to be then it would be an actual structure and he doesn't want that so it has to be all
that's what I'm hearing and what you're saying is that's the way it needs to be and that's the way it should be and that's the way the code says am I correct correct okay I just want to make sure that's clear because if we were were approving this you know the answer it's
not that's that's all I got to say so there's not a land use that fits this property that allows for outdoor storage without some sort of variance or the C3 District would allow it
but will it allow it as open it would allow it as open um and if it was enclosed it would have to meet the requirement of no more than 10% being metal even the one wall being enclosed correct the existing multif family is
that only for hotel or could that be for apartments it could be for apartments or single family residential homes under one ownership duplex triplexes quad plexes any recommendations for Mr Manning hearing none um I I do
appreciate uh to make clear this is a decision ultimately Town Council will have to make and I um I appreciate you guys looking to invest in the lake plastic Community we certainly love to have especially since you already have existing facilities that are going great
we certainly love to have um thoughtful business plans in the town of Lake Placid um with that said I was probably about eight months ago maybe a year ago I'd actually me personally again I'm not making the decision here but it's just my
persuasion on this I had actually written a letter to uh Town Council just encouraging them to put a moratorium on storage facilities period in the town of Lake PL now it's their decision whether they do that or not if this was a County Commission meeting I would be trying to
figure out how to make it work because there's a lot of land in the Lake Placid area there's very little land in the town of Lake Placid and for me that's such a precious commodity for and one reason why we keep the town small U but yet have a vast there's 22,000 people
that live here with a lake PL that I address and loads of land that is County property that would be e as easily accessible to your users that's why I was wondering if you had any other property I recognize this is kind of backed into a corner trying to use that
property for this purpose but um um I I don't know if it's within your your realm of capacity on any level um but if this was on County Land right alongside Lake plid I think this would be a great
thing for Lake Placid I've just asked and I continue to hold the position I don't want to see any storage units of any kind anymore within the town limits even though you don't have a storage facility of this type in the
town so we we do not yet uh no we do not and we have had requests for it and we've even had requests that were pretty elaborate I mean completely in well some of the things that you said I'm going to make sure people can't move in there and
spend the night and you can't set up a shop those are obviously the concerns with a facility like that but there was yeah very elaborate um RV storage luxury RV storage facilities that we've seen before and uh and quite frankly because
let's be honest there there will be no shortage of revenue generated in this community from storage facilities I get it I thought about getting into it myself it's a good business especially for a transient Community like this one um once again I'm for this project I'm
for this project for the lake plet area I just don't want any more um facilities like this within the town limits and once again the town's so small it's going to be no inconvenience for whoever utilizes a
facility on County property it might cost them an extra half a mile drive or it might save them a half a mile drive but um my personal persuasion is that we protect um just the the town limits uh
for businesses that are not storage related once again but I have no stake in that game I'm just throwing out there a potential persuasion that may also come your way so that'd be something to work through yes ma'am would you please take the
podium Naomi Manning what do you foresee being done with that property in this town oh I I have no idea that's that's not my responsib i z departments or it could be I mean the noise for that for tamoka would be yeah sure the hotel would be horrific for them I mean they
can playing just for the semis parking all night and running all night no doubt sitting there so I'm just curious what your guys's Vision since it's obviously not storage would be for that partial in this town well there's a lot of things that could fit within that it could be real estate offices it could be rented
out to um elected officials it could be utilizes homes fixed up and utilizes homes again um I mean I think there's some options there many options and again this isn't my um aversion to you guys or your specific project this is me
just trying to protect the town limits of Lake plet from more storage facilities as all okay just curious what provision was any other questions recommendations uh hearing none anything else Mr Manning that you'd like to share
with this group so you know it's I may not have been in Lake plet as long as others I've been in Land Development for over 40 years I understand the workings I understand the time and efforts that each and every
Community puts forth in trying to come up with the perfect guidelines if you will I also understand that it's impossible to account for every single aspect that's going to be presented to
Any Given board with our regards to the frontage road this is a piece of property that it doesn't pertain to your Frontage Road a access is a property to the north of us that cannot be
developed because of the utilities that are within that property and you have a property to the South which already has abundant access I'm just saying every once in a while Common Sense will say that even
the best ordinances that were best intended may not apply to any one given property based on the circumstances and that Frontage Road has been a key factor to us it's my understanding that the state is going to be proposing a multi-use
path along that section that may be more appeeling than a frontage road that all it's going to accomplish is providing a spot for people to park overnight because it's going to be
unmanned and nobody's going to nobody's going to think otherwise than pulling in there I've had to request the assistant of the lake plid ped and the Highland County Sheriff to keep trucks and vehicles off our property they think it's a parking Zone
that's all a frontage road would turn into in this particular use if there were to change and multiple businesses were put in there absolutely a frontage road would apply to this property each and every given day thank you Mr Manning and Mrs
Manning thank you'all for being here tonight if there's nothing else from the board from staff or from the presenter we're going to move on to the next item good deal thank you for thank you for being here tonight guys uh still with the Lo local planning agency meeting
open let me turn it over to uh Miss Charlotte Rodriguez she is Our Town Administrator um she has a bit of a presentation for us not too not unrelated to what we're just talking about this is kind of opening up some
further discussion for us for the town yes that uh Town Council has asked us to kind of engage in more of a conversation with them about so the purpose of Charlotte sharing tonight is not for us to make any decision she's going to kind of present what's on the table just so
we can mull it over let's not discuss it in detail tonight let's plan on making this a part of next month's discussion April and then in may we will discuss it one last time and I'll remind y'all again at the end of her presentation but
I'm just trying to avoid us getting into talking about it too deep right now by the time we hit the April meeting we will actually make some recommendations to Town Council so Charlotte what is on the docket I first want to say thank you to all of you because I realize that this
is takes out of your personal time so thank you very much for being vested in the town of lake plet and also for our future of Lake Placid so as Dustin said I'm Charlotte Rodriguez the Town Administrator for the town of Lake Placid and at our um last council
meeting the mayor tasked or he said he wanted to ask if you would partner with us because we have a great task ahead of us and it's going to require that your group and also our um utilities I can never remember what the acronym is for
lpra but I think you all understand it's our utilities committee but that you both both groups have been tasked with looking at our LPR RP because the county is currently going through their ear process Miss Rell will be happy to answer some of those those questions she explained it very eloquently earlier so
if you have any questions about that she'll be happy to answer that so what we're looking at is the LPR RP as we're discussing here are being able to grow it's changed what we used to want and what we want now it seems like it shifted a little bit because Miss Rell
has has had to come forward and asked for many deviations many changes we've had developers who have come and asked different things so what does that look like um we need to be able to look at the current area that we're um that's in the LPR are there any specific um additions
or deletions that this group fills we should come forward before Council look at the the boundaries and the designated areas also the development code review we're talking about that right now it puts you in a predicament puts our developers in a predicament but is that
still what we still want to have what has already been there um are there any aspects of the development code require modifications or updates if it is what would you recommend we're also looking at our enclaves and annexations which areas
should be annexed in are there enclaves that need to be addressed these are all things that we're asking right now because it's part of the process of going through making our comprehensive plan updates we're also looking at Road plan um should the existing Road plan for the area be adopted does it need to
be modified does it need to be modified and then adopted um which Road should the town accept for maintenance that all plays into the trajectory and where we're going um implementation and permitting efficiency we've also talked about different things that we don't have in place like development standards
should we have development standards what does that look like and then the level of service in relation to our Parks and Recreation because we know that all plays into the land use it also plays into our land prices and what property goes for property values and
things of that nature and also meeting the quality of life life for our residents and and even in the county because for the Parks and Recreation we also service this end of the county primarily so those are a few of the items that will come up what we envision is next month Jennifer Cotto Salsbury
from the central Florida Regional planning will come she'll be able to outline the Lake plid Regional plan she her group and and herself went through this whole process previously so she'll be able to set the ground W the groundwork the framework and be able to bring some of the maps and things that
you'll be t with looking at you have a big responsibility I think that's um that's probably one of the larger things because of the mayor tasking this group and also our lpra group you're going to bring everything back to Council on how this should look so it's a lot of work
that's going to go into it so I will be available to answer questions however I think Miss Rell is going to be able to answer them a lot more in depth she's been the coordinator for this this group and I think she'll be able to answer any questions that you have Miss Rodriguez I'm not seeing
how uh April Town council meeting is a feasible timeline for making any sort of recommendations I mean we could commit an entire meeting to each one of those categories to make sure we're having a thorough look uh or you know special meetings or you know because we can't
sit in the same room at the same time I I agree and so that's where the recommendations I think as you're going through this process especially after you talk with Miss Cotto Salsbury from the central Florida Regional planning if you believe that this group is going to need more time we'll need to let's make that recommendation so we can take it
back to the mayor and he can shift around some of those dates if we need to and to be clear she will be presenting that this essentially more thoroughly to us at the April a April meeting at your April meeting oh okay so the day or the week before we would be meant to make a
recommendations that day so we need to go ahead and let Town Council know that if the original presentation is the week before then it may be too t of a timeline for likely would be if they want it to be beneficial um now obviously we need to do a little homework on our own getting up to that
point um but a a lot of this is context and history that we're going to need to hear from why we did it that way and how we got to this point so that we don't have some what feels like a great idea that's going to derail you know a good
something good roots to it um but I also believe do we have the The Economic Development Council coming to do a presentation about um all of that fiber optics and
stuff uh April meeting yes that's still on the agenda correct Mr Rell yeah all all big important things that need to you know they're on time um so let's let's move forward as plan but I certainly would ask that you relay to
the mayor on our behalf that for us to be useful in that conversation we'll need uh we won't be able to make any real good re we could probably fire from the hip on some recommendations that night but I'm so y'all don't end up here till midnight again y'all might need
something better than that I agree yes ma'am and if I can add on to that um this kind of came at us a little bit quickly so I only have a three slide presentation prepared but I also want to
put this in context of what Miss Rodriguez is saying so right now the county is working on something called their ear all the municipalities plus the county are also working on something called the isba I'm going to go out of
order on my slides real quick so the year is called the evaluation and appraisal report this is required um pursuant to Florida statute 163 3191 which states local governments
must evaluate their comprehensive plan every seven years to determine if amendments are necessary to reflect changes because of state or local requirements so that is what the county is doing right now they are going
through their ear process evaluation and Appraisal review process that's what that stands for the process for that is they get a letter from the the state saying hey your ear is
due so they have one year to return a letter to the state saying all right we've looked at our comp plan and we agree that we need to do updates or one year to say we looked at our comp plan and it looks good to us
keep it moving if we return a letter saying we do need to update our comprehensive plan due to all the changes and the local regulations but also just the local environment the economy the local state
of things if we agree that we do need to notify them then within one year of us responding to the state and saying yes we have to do this the state says okay your clock has begun you have one year
to update your comprehensive plan for all of these things so Highlands County back in August already notified the state that yes they need to update their comprehensive plan it's time for their
seven-year review they're ready to update which means they only have until August of this year 2025 to turn in whatever changes they need to make so partially part of us what we're doing
here is we're trying to catch up with the county and say hey we want to be part of that because you all adopted the LPR and so did we so we want to make sure that we're walking in lockstep at the same time we have
something else going on entirely called the interlocal service boundary agreement Mr Rell can I ask a question real quick yes is was the LPR RP established uh with like a time frame or time limit on it is that something
that's kind of coming close to an expiration date no it's permanent okay I think what you mean though is that we the town though is due for our comprehensive plan and we are coming up with that so that's what's coming up I knew within a few years of like having
to get with it anyway so it'll it'll actually overlap okay y yeah you're right yes yes okay sorry I have a terminology wrong keep going and I'm going to Circle right back to that too right so at the same time while the
county is going through updates to their comprehensive plan the city of Avon Park you might have read in the newspaper also initiated their inter local service boundary agreement they first initiated it with Sebring Sebring and Avon Park
looped in the county and the county said don't forget Lake plasted and they looped us into and the needs that Avon Park and see neing have might be a little different than the needs that we have because they're talking about they're you know to some degree they're racing
each other who is going to provide water to this street first because they're so close we're so far away that that isn't a concern of ours but Planning and Zoning is something that can be addressed in an interlocal service agreement so let me read real quick it
encourages intergovernmental coordination for planning and Service delivery and it's like an agreement that can be initiated by municipalities so Avon Park initiated this agreement it can address things like annexation
Utility Services road maintenance land use regulation everything that miss Rodriguez was listing off are all things that do pertain to the town of lake plid and we do need to address so we're having monthly meetings with all municipalities in the county to come to
agreements or at least discuss what it would take to come to an agreement in areas where maybe we're not fully seeing eye to eye so my game plan is what's the Forum that that
happens it's not a public meeting it's it would be officials like you and Charlotte sitting in the room with the other municipality leadership representing the interests of our councils corre correct and each municipality has been tasked with
bringing bring whatever information they need or you know whatever marching orders they got from that meeting back to their public fors which is what the mayor is asking the local planning agency to do to be our public
forum to have these discussions and to make recommendations so right now we've had two meetings they've addressed uh annexation roads road maintenance future RightWay and things
like that and I went ahead and took the liberty of putting together like a month-by-month schedule to catch you all up of what that would look like and what's going on in those
meetings but before we step into that we need to talk about our LPR because that that is this like underlying theme that that keeps us
together but also can sometimes keep us from not seeing eye to eye with other local governments like for instance something that we'll talk about at one point is how plan developments are accomplished in the town of Lake Placid we allow plan
developments to be both conceptual or site plans the development that came in on 70 that Miss Ventress mentioned earlier today um came in as a final site plan but there were conceptual elements to it
but it's not going to go back to the board of County Commissioners for a final approval like it would in the town of lake posd so if we both agree that a plan development is required in the county and it's required in the town then it turns out we also need to agree
how the plan development is done and and the different elements and ways that it can happen so it's going to take a lot of me talking I know you all love the sound of my voice love to hear me go on and on forever but yeah we're going to
get into some education and then we're going to have to crack open these conversations and we're going to have to be ready to like really dig into these things and I'm going to do my very best to guide our conversations and to guide us as best I can to meet some of these
deadlines so that um what we were referring to the the County's ear so think about how they basically have to get their amendments start to get them approved by the board of County Commissioners in July approved by August
so that they meet their deadline so if we need to ask them to do something regarding the LPR or annexation or some of these topics that interweave
themselves we want to try to address that by then but that doesn't mean that's our only chance ever we're going to have multiple bites at this apple we're going to be able to address some of this through the interlocal service boundary agreement and then going back
to our year which is going to happen in 2027 in 2027 we need to notify and I think our month of notification is January so we will need to notify the state one way or the other if we think
we need to update our comprehensive plan I think we all know it's time we need to but let's start having every conversation that we need to have now so that when it comes time for us to have
these conversations regarding the specifics of what needs to happen the local planning agency will be the most knowledgeable knowledgeable board to turn to you have the Town Council looking to you to provide that
guidance and um will'll also be able to re-engage with the county to make any changes that we find necessary at that point but yes it's it's all overlapping the timing is short but it's long but
it's going to pass fast so as a matter of next steps let me just see if I've got the map in my head I've been trying to put all this together phase one April 6th we hear from them they kind of roll out the details just everything you said
just with more meat to it um we set a time when Town Council can expect some recommendations from this group whether that be the next week uh or whether that be over the course of the next couple of months they're going
to send you guys into a bigger meeting with municipality officials from all over the community and y'all are going to try to get all this to weave together just right and then as it relates to Lake clet it's eventually going to land back in this room with all of our stakeholders
present for us to Hash it out in this particular form to land those planes is that correct all right that is going to be quite a ride um I I mean I agree with the mayor in a sense that Town Council
would not be the right place to have this discussion I fear that even in this room there might have to be special meetings called at some point not that I'm advocating for that by any stretch um but just depending on um you know
whatever business may be at hand but I don't know that there's much that's more important than us trying to get this accomplished because that is going to set us on a trajectory for all the things that we're trying to get sorted out in the future so any question uh questions from you
guys on what you've heard Miss administrator um you're about to say something I was just going to say that Mr Bert Warner who is our new utility director he will be in the lpra meeting tomorrow he'll lead that and he actually spoke with us today and he would like to
advocate for at some point through this process to get both of the groups together we would um we would obviously have to have it here and notice it and everything else but he feels like that would be um something that we should probably look into in the near future so something to put on your radar to
potentially vote on at the next meeting thank you so on that note just to confirm I think LPR meets during the day PA meets at night I think we're going to aim for night meetings but by a show of
hands is anyone on this board available during daytime hours if need be at times yeah possibly okay we do our best to try to coordinate those as best we can thank you any uh anything else from the board as it relates to this
particular topic before I close that local planning agency meeting hearing none anything from staff all right hearing none uh that brings our local planning agency meeting to a close now I want to open up the board of adjustments
meeting uh let's begin um Miss Tina this is an entirely different meeting with an entirely different Board of all the same people uh thank you guys for being here tonight and certainly best of luck all of my commentary is not aimed at you or
your project it's just all Lake PL and stuff don't don't quit yeah don't quit don't quit on my behalf I'm not on the panel that makes a decision yeah I appreciate y'all and it's I appreciate how thoughtful the whole um you you guys thought about
everything from traffic to sound all the things that we would have discussed y'all already thought about it's beautiful please open businesses down here even if it's not that one really all right yes sir um so we need to reopen this we need
to open meeting number two um the same way we open meeting number number one so let's begin uh ladies and gentlemen welcome to board of adjustments meeting March chapter uh March 3rd of 2025 Tina please call the
role chairman Woods here board member Jack edman board member James Oxford board member Gary Freeman here board member Chris Duncan
here board member Alex R board member Donald Clark here all right that said let's begin by the review and approval of the consent agenda agenda do I hear a motion so
moved second we have a motion in a second any further discussion Miss canwell please call the RO Donald Clark yes Chris Duncan yes Dustin Woods yes Jack Ed Harry
Freeman yes Alex Ramos yes this point let me turn it over to contract planner for the variance request thanks again Dana Rell contract planner for the town of Lake Placid
tonight we have hearing number LP boa 25.1 this is a quasi judicial hearing so I have to ask each board member if they've had any expar communication regarding this case expar communication incl includes communication with staff
the applicant and any member of the public who may have asked you any questions or just wanted to talk about it so I'll start on my left side with Mr Duncan I have not thank you none I had a discussion with
councilwoman Worley thank you none none thank you so this hearing number I mentioned it um we need to take testimony and this will be expert
Witnesses and the applicant themselves so Mr Summers if you could please stand and raise your right hand I'll do the same the where to affirm that testimony you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth I
do thank you Mr does Mr Summers need to be at the podium on a microphone when that's exchanged no okay thank you I just wanted to check I didn't know if we need your swearing in to be on the record or
assumed thank you okay there have been no letters received in favor or against this proposal um I'd like to start by saying usually a variance is decided here by the board of adjustment them themselves however
there's a a requirement in code that states the board of adjustment cannot make more than a 35% deviation so the request here is for a six- foot fence on the front property
line instead of a 4ot fence that is a 50% deviation and cannot be approved by the board of adjustments so tonight we will be asking for a recommendation and it will be taken to Town Council for their final
consideration the property has a medium density residential future land use with an R2 zoning I'll go ahead and pull up some maps I think they're the most detailed this property had the internal
Alleyways vacated back in September it takes a while for the County's argis maps to be updated so it still appears that there's Alleyways cutting through this property but that is not the case so uh we just pretend like these little
lines in here are not there but the property outlined in blue is the subject property the property owner also owns the property at 608 South Maine where where there is a structure when this Alleyway became
vacated this map might be better when this Alleyway became vacated half of this road took on the medium density residential future land use in the R2 zoning and the other half took on the commercial General future land use
with the commercial zoning so you get half the road and the zoning follows the property owner is asking to fence the property as outlined in Blue on the property line with a 6 foot fence now
the code only allows a 4 foot fence on the front property lines or in the required front yards so in the code front yards are anything AB buding a right of way we
treat if it was in the back like if it was a through lot and it had a right of way or on the front yard and it had a ride of away it's required to meet a 25 foot setback so he's asking for a deviation from
section 155 D I'm sorry 154 d11 of town code there are two sets of findings that are required to be found for a variant the first one is just the
required findings they have to do with if it will change the zoning which this would not if it would impair an adequate supply of light and air to the adjacent property m materially increase congestion increase the danger or pose
other threats to the public safety and or materially diminish or impair established property values within the surrounding area um most of these we were able to respond stating that they wouldn't have
a major effect some of them could have some some effect whether it's considered to Minimus or minor um to some degree it it could affect some of those findings unfortunately under specific
findings I wasn't able to provide responses to these findings in such a way that would allow me to recommend approval for this as such I am recommending Denial on the staff
level and at this time I'll turn it over to the chair and thank you Mr Ridell you're welcome um uh clearly you you've already filled out a thorough report Mr Summers would you like to comment any further on what we're looking at right here before I
bring it up for discussion all right thank you if we have any questions we'll certainly bring you up any questions or commentary from the board so changing zoning would change the setbacks that would be the well the question on the specific
findings is does this variance constitute a change in zoning the answer is no he's not asking for a change in zoning um but if the zoning was changed to PD
he could request a change to those setbacks so it's going to remain residential correct addressing the airf flow and that kind of thing personally I don't think it'll change anything there's already a six foot privacy fence around the residential house behind this property
if I'm correct by saying that it's a solid PVC yeah so him fencing something off isn't going to change anything there addressing these issues is the fence what what is the material I may have missed that in this is it chain link or is
it solid okay so something similar to what house is behind it yeah thank you Mr Summers it'll be a lot easier to have you up here for now yes Robert
Summers it's a PVC fence it's just is exactly the same as what's behind there now behind the uh duplex Robert I just want to make it clear is it solid or yes it is Gary okay thank youer Dana can I ask a question do you
um I'm trying to find the the map here that's behind so if if that house that's behind there this is just a hypothetical if that house behind there owned all of that could they put a six foot fence all the
way down there because that's their side yard and back they they have one on the blue line directly behind that now right so yeah Mr Marshall or Mr Summers put that there yes and he was allowed to put that there
he kept it 25 ft set back from this front property line here okay this property owner would have to choose which section or which side he wanted to be the front and which side would be the
corner and according to code they both are supposed to be set back 25 ft from the property line okay not saying that that's not necessarily something that we shouldn't
look into changing okay U Mr chairman I got a question for Dana yes sir Dana uh are you approving or I know you're disapproving but you're disapproving of a Solid 4 foot fence or a solid you're what are you
actually disapproving because there's 4 foot and six foot we're talking about right the 4 foot is okay with you if it's solid a 4 foot would be okay if it was solid okay I want to make sure that okay I believe
it's in the code that backyards can be six foot front yards can be 4 foot correct and Mr Summers is requesting six foot all around this particular piece correct you're disapproving based solely on black and white correct correct the
findings of fact okay I struggle so hard with that I'm a I'm a gray guy that that does Things based on each project and I I really struggle with by the book sorry Chief uh oh
not what I'm driving but um I don't know I just I don't see an issue well we uh this this board is not beholden to once again this all this stuff will get brought up in this extensive conversation we just talked
about having yes um where we may want to readjust some of this stuff so maybe in your mind that's one of the things you're W to change one of the reason why these things come before these boards is we do have in this case we have to make a recommend ation Town Council but
typically we could make a a variance decision and say no let's do that because of the situation it doesn't fit lock step within the black and white of our code so I mean by all means this we have the latitude to have that discussion so I mean I just there's not
a house on this property and you know I get it if there was a house there then but and I realize we're not changing zoning so there could be a house at some point but can we put in that if a house is ever built there that has to the front yard
can't be you know I don't I don't know I just I would definitely agree with that you know but I don't intend to don't see the harm question if it was commercial could you put a solid PVC 6 foot fence where he wants to put it
yes so if I may if there if the board is thinking about adding conditions perhaps perhaps a condition is that the property will not be used for open yard storage or the property will not be used
for anything other than residential I would agree to it although Mr Harris did say something about some back street parking at one time at the council meeting I would agree to what you're saying there's no problem problem I
don't plan to store anything back there I just want to keep people off the property that's all and that is your intent it's just blocking off the grass that's my intentions that's a that's a that's why I had the alleyway vacated and the premise that I could put a fence up that's a noble expensive task what's
that no that's that's a just blocking off the grass that's good but I understand why you want to do it yeah yeah uh anything uh any re well it is our responsibility to make a Rec recommendation to the Town Council on this project is there other questions
from are there other questions from this board or am I hearing some recommendations get tossed out there ever so lightly right now me staff have any other recommendations no I think part of the black and white
is this is like planner think that gets ingrained to you from day one but it's not that Mr Marshall's being deprived of being allowed to have a six- foot fence he can have a six- foot fence if it's set 25t back from the property line he
also can have a fence on the property line if it's for foot so I I guess I just want to make that point that that's really what it boils down to we have all these findings that ultimately bring us to that conclusion
but that's really the ultimate decision behind my recommendation of denial is that he's not being deprived of anything but I fully understand and sympathize with um Mr Marshall regarding his
concerns for his property and wanting to secure his Goods so whatever the board decides you know we can move forward in that direction and bring it to the Town Council the conditions as I mentioned
would be use related you know to make sure that the property doesn't get used for the wrong thing it's hard to regulate a property once you have a six- foot fence up there you don't know what's going on behind there how far is the what is the how far off the off the
road is the property line approximately I'd have to pull up the Property Appraiser's office to tell you for sure while Dana is doing that I did want want to apologize to Mr Marshall for calling Mr Summers about seven times
that's okay it's it was my DBA Robert Summers my DBA okay I'll say I had a uh I've had the joy of being with my one-year-old all day there you go and I but I you know so I've run out of words I think it's about 20 feet isn't
it from the usually it's 15 to 20 feet has the property owner on the north side of the property agreed to share their fence to extend the six foot wall oh has the property owner on the north side of the property um agreed to share
their fence and extend that 6 foot yeah he agreed to it he agreed to when we vacated the I I actually sold the land next door so that he would wouldn't object to me uh vacating the
road behind there and the per main purpose was to put up the fence I think Mr Ramos is referring to the residential property owner on the north have you been able to have any conversations with him Mr Marshall uh no I haven't in the
duplex no is that a duplex yes that's a duplex there so it's 20t off the road and if he went another 25 feet in he could put a fence
right through the center of his yard is that what you're saying correct so it would leave you know a portion of the property exposed doesn't that leave me liable for what's happening on the other side of the fence between the property line and the
fence that's a legal question I wouldn't be able to answer and so even this property right here touching the road which he is proposing to set that back I believe it would look more like that and
that would be within the code correct so the only thing really that I'm asking to change is the is the property on the right correct the fence on the easement and te and technically this little sliver right here because
half of this unless this Alleyway gets vacated is still it's still showing Road Frontage so the 90 foot stretch and the 12 by 13 block correct you ready for a motion uh I'm ready to entertain a motion at any time
sir sir let's do it okay so I I hear a motion uh you will in a minute hold on a minute move to recommend that Town Council approve the fence height of 6 feet in the front yard areas of the property located at 601 South Main Avenue Lake pla head I need to read all
that p- 06- 37-3 0-4-0 240- 001 0 with the changes that follow that we don't allow um storage open storage in the
back and were we going to put in there that if if the property is ever sold or a house is built on the property that does not apply so it could run with the owner instead of running with the land correct
however it needs to be worded you could do that would we not want to run it with the with the owner yeah I I don't Mr Marshall doesn't have any intent of building a house on that land it doesn't sound like but just in case
he decided to no that's if you run with the owner and he decides to build a house then it then he's he can leave a six foot fence we have to figure out a way where if a house is built there in the event that in the event a a residence is built
on that piece of property then the six foot fence in the front yard has to be taken down and replaced with a forfoot or no fence just return to the code AS correct yes or variance no longer applies yeah however it's supposed to be
wed yeah um so I think that would still be three conditions the first one no open storage allowed the second one it would run with the owner not with the land and the third one being that the six foot fence
would come into compliance upon construction of a house do you want to leave it that way or did you want to remove the one about the owner I just want to make sure that that it's understood if the variance dissolves in the event that a resid res
is built yeah I'm not sure the right legal then we get the hold on look at this so the property is comprised of multiple Lots if an owner constructed a lot or constructed a
home on lot two is is it even big enough to construct a 1500 foot home on it you might have to use lot one and lot two they're both zoned residential so say he sold both of those someone built a house
there then this portion of the variance would also dissolve if we use that language that it would dissolve so uh maybe the language stating the fence will comply with any new
construction will comply with the standards for fences that's essentially what we're saying that's essentially what we're saying we just need to make sure that you know when it's five boards from now that it's worded in a way that'll be easy for them to interpret
they're coming back in compliance with a home yeah I don't know how layman's terms we can be in the language but if a residence is ever built the fence variance dissolves back into wherever the front is wherever the front yard of
that house that's built doesn't apply to that line what whatever that is we'll leave that to the professionals seems like common sense to be but I am no attorney yeah so if a residence has ever constructed the fence shall come into
compliance with the fence code at the time of construction just for the sake of clarity since you made the motion Chris would you not remake the motion but would you state the three things that you were the um that way at
least the rest of the no outdoor storage um in the event a resident is built on that property that the front yard fence would revert back to what ever the code um however that's supposed to be
worded because I'm looking at this and and if this was commercial he could put that where that red line is on there right now he could pull that out to the green line correct correct so I bet you 99.9% of the people in this town thinks
that's commercial behind his building so I bet you don't get one complaint at code enforcement do you uh Mr Rell do you have the right legal e roughly outlined based on those this motion yes I think so so just to confirm
we're removing the condition that it would run with the owner and not the land do you guys feel clear I'm sorry you asked the question I interrupted I would agree with removing that yeah I don't know that it runs with the own yes yes yeah very good uh does does the is the
board clear on the motion so you know how to vote or make a second or hence fourth do I need to make a second so we can have discussion I second the motion all right can discuss it we have a motion in a second any further discussion can I clarify something so
what you have here the red line is not where it's going it's going out to the green line correct correct so we're saying don't worry about the 25 25 foot setback it's going to be basically where where he wants it with no outdoor storage if we build
residentially then the will Resort back to compliance based on the current motion correct so we have a motion in a second any further discussion I've got a I've got a question Dana because that means that the entire fence if it does get
constructed if you're going to go out to the green line or somebody is going to go to the green line and it's going to be built six feet all the way around and they build they end up wanting to build a house uh they're going to have to change
that all that six foot fence down to four no just the front yard right the first 25 ft just the front yeah so the the front but also 25 ft of well actually it depends on exactly where they build the house the house which way
they face it well that uh the code this I have to double check but I'm pretty sure this code doesn't it's not dependent on the way that the house is turned but how which one has Road Frontage and how close it is to Road Frontage and things like that but
um it'll also include this 25 foot stretch so but the way that the code is written is that no six- foot fence is allowed in the front yard not required front yard meaning in this case I mean
we don't have to think about it but just for an educational point right if someone had a deep lot and they set their house back 50 ft their front yard is from the front of the plane of their house forward so they have a 50 foot
front yard but since there is no house here we're going based off of what the minimum would be right and there's only one road Frontage that will ever be available to a house to be
built regardless of how they situate the house you got to come in off this side right over here unless you own all these Lots on the other side the way that the lots are currently divided yes but and that's all we can base it on
correct still in discussion the fence where you have it drawn isn't where it's going it's going to come to the corner of the building is that correct yes what I tried to do is block the two telephone poles from from uh South Maine I think it would aesthetically look better
see if these drawings help a little bit more showing the property line and exactly where the fence would go same place with a motion in a second on the table any further discussion hearing none Miss kwell
please call the role alternate Chris Duncan yes alternate Dar Clark yes D Woods yes har Freeman yes Alex Ros
yes all right motion carries thank you uh thank you Mr Marshall any other uh business for the good of the group quick question on board of adjustment decisions that goes to Town Council as a recommendation or how does that go yes this will be a recommendation to Town
Council and they will make the final decision at their next meeting you said 35% we make the decisions if it's a 35% change but this was 50 correct is is the the height what determines the 35% or the overall breadth of the fence the
height okay variances are always dimensional in nature so it's always there's always a number that we're asking for deviation from so we're going from 4 foot to 6 foot 50% of 4ot is too more foot yeah no I understood the math on that I was just
wanted but if he had only been going a foot then it would have been our decision okay that's y got thank you Mr Clark thank you all for tonight uh G your loins for next month please be here sounds like we will be digesting a lot of information in preparation for
further meetings so God bless youall have a good night thank you motion meeting adjourn