[Music] Good evening. It's Wednesday, June 18th, 2025 at 6 p.m. Calling the Lakeville Board of Health meeting to order. Is there anyone in the audience recording this? I see no one. Uh, Lake Cam is
recording this. First on the agenda, one Violet Street request from homeowner to use existing well. Um, I guess I see how you doing. You can just state your name and Yeah. Okay. Hello, my name is
Jacquine Stone. Um, actually, just to clarify, it's not to use the well. The well has been dismantled, but now they're asking it to or the person to go to help wanted it filled in. So I was just here to not have it filled in. It's not being used.
Um so basically I um went and hired a company to do a title 5 inspection on my home to show it. Um upon that inspection it was a water test was done and it was found
that my well um was you know contaminated not not ready to be used. So I was told that I needed to tie into the clock shaw with water cuz the home is located in Clark Shores. Um so I did go ahead and do that. Um I did provide
documentation as well if you wanted to see that. Um, it did cost me close to $10,000 total to do that. Um, as a single parent, it was really difficult for me to be able to do that, but I did do what they asked me to
do. Um, I actually even went a little extra and got a picture, had them take a picture of the well, like under the ground cut so you could see that it's not being used. Um so a prior to that I
mean after that I you know informed them actually I never even spoke to the board of health. I was going through the company that I hired and that he you know came out I provided all the documentation the water was hooked up. Thought I was good to go. A couple weeks
go by and then I'm told again by the company that I had hired that now the well needs to be filled in. Um, so I I called the board of health, spoke to someone there. Um, they said it wasn't their decision. I had to come here to
advocate for it not to be filled in. Um, there's no intentions of using the well for consumption. It's not even hooked up to the house. Um, I did sell the house two weeks ago. The pre the new owners, as far as I know,
is, you know, still hooked up to Clock Shores. Um, from what I understand, they could use it for irrigation if they chose to in the future. Um, but basically that's why I'm here is just to advocate to not have to h have it filled in. Um, it is I got
some quotes about $3,000 for them to do that. Okay. Um, I'll just have probably turn it to Ed. I know when you you were talking I I spoke to Ed briefly on the phone. Yes. But I've mostly been working with septic services. Um I actually
hadn't gotten any correspondence or anything from Ed, which is why I called. Yeah. So um when septic services contacted me, you know, he I told him this the system the septic system has failed because of the high nitrates. Um
and he proposed, well, if I get rid of the well, is that an option? And I'm like, "Yeah, if you if there's no contaminated well and that's decommissioned and you connect to CLR's water, then you can have a passing title 5." Um, I guess he did not convey that all that information to you. He just
told you you had to hook in from what you just said. Um, and that's unfortunate. I'm sorry that that that happened that way. Um, and but like I said, that's who I was communicating with. And in a title 5 inspection,
normally I just communicate with the inspector. The homeowner is welcome to call me, but I don't have the homeowner's phone number or anything. So, it's difficult for me to reach the homeowner in these situations. Um, so that that's why so he maybe he wasn't
aware um but like I said, I told him like when that well is gone, the system passes. If that well is there, title five, title five clearly states if there's a contaminated well on the property, it you have to get rid of it to pass the system because like I said,
the system passes, it works, it's working, but it fails because of a contaminated well. So, as long as that contaminated well is there, it's a failed system. I guess I'm confused because I know that there's a house behind me who sold a couple of years ago
who well was also contaminated. They hooked up the clock show's water. Their well was never filled in. They're on Barberry. Aelia across from me. Same situation. I don't know if I've recalled anyone's well being physically filled in. It's been disconnected. It's not
being used for consumption. It's hooked up to Clockwell's water. The septic system is in good condition. It's working appropriately. I guess I don't see the necessity to have it actually filled in with concrete when it's not being used. it did what you asked where
it's not it's the contaminated wells done. It's the pipes cut. It's not being used. In fact, just two weeks ago, they filled one on three carry. Um so they do fill wells, not everyone. The one on Barbberry that you're referring to, um that was kind of a unique one because
what it was is the person connected to and then tried to get another buildable lot on Aelia, I believe. Yeah. Right across from me. Yeah. and and that's why they and and that one didn't have um um it did have high nitrates but nothing near what yours has. I guess like my
other thing is like I understand like you typically go through the company but I'm being told that this well is so dangerous and contaminated but yet I have not received any contact from board of health saying that I shouldn't be consuming the water or feeding it to my
animals. I lived there for 13 years and used. Did you ever have it tested? I did two years ago. And then gave it to us. Yeah. I never gave it to you. But the recent test, wouldn't you notify the person to let them know? I lived there for a month. When we got we got that
that's as soon as I got that, I said that that's a contaminated well. And like you said, I still was never contacted to not consume the water. Yes. I was told by the company, but I feel like wouldn't there be some policy that I'd be contacted by? Normally you are
contacted, but in that case the the the inspector said, "I'm getting rid of the well and I'm going to hook the clock show's water." So if you're getting rid of the well, I wasn't going to contact you to tell you not to drink the water. I did get rid of the well, right? So if if the well is no longer being used and
decommissioned, I don't have to send a letter cuz normally we do send a letter, but if that well is decommissioned, there's no reason to send the letter. So why am I being like, you're telling me it's decommissioned? you're not going to send me a letter, but yet I'm required to fill it in. That kind of doesn't make any sense to me. But you just said you
didn't send a letter because it's decommissioned. But now I'm here because you're telling me it's not decommissioned. Cuz they agreed to decommission it is what he's saying. So he didn't do it because it wasn't going to be used anymore. So he was told it was going to be decommissioned to get
the title five to pass. And he went and inspected. You said the water, you made sure the water was tied in. Yeah, the water was connected. I confirmed black shores. So, we knew it was tied in. Um, well, I don't have the funds to for $3,000 to fill this well in. I just wanted to come and advocate. It's not
being used. They're hooked up to Clock Shaw's water. I have documentation to show that it's it's cut. I don't feel like it needs to be filled in. I looked at I tried to go online. And I'm not, you know, I don't work obviously for D, but it looked to me like a well is
decommissioned, like usually filled in after it's abandoned for 3 years. But again, this was a different situation. So, I'm just trying to advocate cuz I really cannot put any more money into biggest concern is the next person water cuts off the water supply and ties back into it, start using it again. That's
why the the estimates you got, you know, were they from licensed well drillers or just Well, yeah. I asked to be someone. I mean, I can go pour some concrete in there myself, but I assume it has to be by someone who's licensed. So, yeah, of course I did. That's why it's $3,000.
I have invoices. I just spent 10 grand getting hooked into Clockwell's water, right? But to comply with Title 5, I mean, it it has to be and that well also um had we have no permitting on that
well in our fold. So what had put in that well at 51 ft from the septic did it illegally. Yeah. Well that was way before me. I mean unpermitted well. So it got it had got a title five when I bought it 13 years ago that has so someone passed it at that point. Is
there a passing title five in the folder from 13 years ago? Uh in in when they are in a new title five they they put they did the septic 20 I think it failed 13 years ago and then they put in a new title five. Well, they put in a new septic, but the well was still the same
distance from the septic. That's what the issue is. The new septic that you put in is the one that you're telling me is too close to the well. So, why did they pass it 13 years ago if it was too close? It it's not too close. It's it's allowed to be passed over 50 ft and this is 51 ft. So, it's just just
over. Um, so there was nothing illegal done. But like I said, the the what the Title 5 does, it tries to get rid of contaminated wells. Now again just vertical um horizontal distance is one indicator. Um there's a lot of
indicators. One is being it's upgradient and it's flowing down into it. That's why it's so high. Again the the reason we're here is just it's so high 15. I mean anything over five you can't give to a baby. Anything over 10 can kill a baby. So you're up at 15. That's why we're so concerned with this wealth.
Well, and I understand which is why I went ahead and, you know, it took me a couple weeks to come up with 10 grand, but as soon as I could, I, you know, stopped using it and cut it off. I feel like I did what I should have done, you
know. Um, you said you sold the house. I did. Yeah. Two weeks ago. Can you just um have the seller do it and take the take off the whatever? Um, if they're willing to do it. I mean, that's something I guess you guys would have to I don't I
don't even know them. I came to advocate because I felt like it was my due diligence to since I just sold the house. Technically, it's not on me. It is the it's the title 5 is the responsibility to sell. It can be transferred to the buyer with an
agreement saying, you know, a lot of times you get an estimate whether it's installing a septic or doing something with a well, you get an estimate and then they just subtract that from the the sale. Well, it's already been done at this point. Chris, have you I don't any other
decommissioning companies out there. Have you heard like numbers? I don't know of any. If I don't know if it's a deep well, maybe that's why it's so much like 20 I think you said 20 ft. I don't know if that makes sense. I don't really know. Deep 20 ft. It's shallow. That's shallow. Maybe not. I don't know. Cheap
and we have we have no somewhere else where we have no record of it. I would imagine it would be a shallow, not a deep one, too, right? Cuz someone pull up a I have um might be on here. I have the inspection. Yeah. I think if
it's a point, that's an astronomically high number. Got a piece of plastic pipe off that's 2 in in diameter. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I But again, I don't see any way around it for my point. Is it a weld drill or do we need to certify it? Could we an engineer too or No, I couldn't remember. I saw I have that in
our folder. It's it's right in our approval. Um it has to be a year 21.3. The private well is to be properly abandoned. It must be done so through the health department with the appropriate permit by a licensed welder
driller per state guidelines. And that's why we make them do it. You mean is there another option besides filling it with something? Could you do weld the top of it or something to avoid I don't know. It just is another cheaper option. besides actually filling it with
concrete. It just says by state guidelines. So the weld driller, it's a well driller question. As long as they meet the state guidelines and certify it, it was filled and it can never be used again and decommissioned. Did the people gave you estimates look at the well or did they just give you an
estimate over them? This was an estimate I got from the SEPTA company. He re he contacted somebody. Okay. cuz I to honestly like to even get this maybe just to I mean to get this done I had to do payment plans. I literally just paid Clark's water off last week
and I haven't been there for 2 weeks. Like I had to do I was kind enough to find two people in Clark Shaws that actually are licensed and helped me out. Mark Morren, you probably know he helped me out did a payment plan with me and then another plumber plumbing company.
So, I was lucky enough to be able to get people, but it's hard to find people to do that. I don't I'm a single parent. My husband passed away seven years ago. I'm raising four kids of my own. Like, this is a lot of money for me to have to come up with. And I think the next problem I don't
know if we could have, might not have is like you said, you no longer own the property. I don't. And so, I'd have to you have to get permission from the homeowners to be able to go on it. And I don't know them at all, but I don't know where we go. Uh I mean
obviously we should be sending a letter to the new homeowner obviously right tomorrow stating that whatever we decide. So they're aware have we signed off on the certificate of compliance yet? No, there was no certificate cuz once they got a once they they didn't
have to fix the septic all that was was the well once they tie it into the water. They didn't need a certificate of compliance. But I haven't I haven't approved the title five inspection yet because they didn't give us a new one showing tied into title. So it was okay to pass papers without that. Yeah. I don't even know how they closed without a pass. A lot of times what the in
inspector does is he he approves it himself, shows it to the bank, they sell the house and then like we actually got this um one day and then they closed on the house the next. So I really didn't have time to react and and to call people and and tell them of that. It's
just it it's it just gets delayed and banks take it without our approval. They just take the actual inspector's approval unfortunately. And I believe if I'm not mistaken, the inspector thought it was passing. Didn't even realize. Yeah. He he thought it was passing and then he called me up and he's like, "What do I do about these nitrates?" And
I'm like, "You got to fill the system." So, it's on the inspector. Filled a fail passing report when it was failed cuz it didn't meet nitrates. And gave it to the buyer and seller. And now we're in this position where Well, I mean, it sounds
like the buyer might have a lawsuit against that inspector cuz he let them he gave them paperwork that illegally clos. I have the that could be an option for you because
I I understand your hardship but it doesn't change the fact of that that well needs well I just mean like for for me like I said I'm not technically liable. I didn't do anything wrong. I was given this report. I gave it to who I was. But I'm trying to advocate
because you know it probably will end up coming back on me somehow. No, it sounds like it's on the inspector to be honest with you. If he gave the bank a passing title 5 that didn't pass Title 5 and they use that document to close on the
loan, then the buyer has, you know, action against him. I think I'm not a lawyer, but I think that's what would happen. I've been doing this long enough. I don't know. something sounds
something get missed or somebody like I'm surprised they closed. That's well this isn't uncommon. This this happens a lot. No, I'm just saying like they're getting tighter and tighter on what they want to see before they close on stuff. Now it's just, you know what I mean?
They just need to pass a title five report. So that's what he gave them incorrectly. That's what I think brought us to this point. Yeah, cuz if he had put failed on it until they it got abandoned, then it wouldn't have closed.
So, I think it's on him. So, I think the we should notify the buyers and explain what happened and and let them take whatever action they need to take, I guess. Again, cuz like you said, it's you don't own it anymore. I stand up here trying
to advocate for them. But now I wasn't even sure if I should come because I don't own it. There's nothing I can really do. You can't go on somebody's property. I can't go on their property to even have it filled in. But I wanted to at least, you know, come and provide the information and do the right thing
so that you know, you guys are going to obviously have to contact them. If I didn't come and tell you that it would just be right dealing with the the title five knowing that that had to be filled. I think they have contacted them and said it, you
know, like you said, your septic fails without that fill. There's there's no way around it. And you don't want to put a new septic in. That's Well, yeah, it's brand new. Well, it's not brand new, but No, but it's working. So, the only reason it was in failure is because of this well. Um, again, the 3,000 sounds awfully
high, but again, I'm not a well driller. Uh, for a point if it is a point well. Um, yeah. I mean full of filling. Well, they fill it I think what they fill with gunite or something they but a big well it takes a lot in a casein to fill it
but um it's just a point. Yeah, I haven't seen it. Um I can uh contact the new the buyers and see and try and take a look at it and see if they can get a little remote or something like that, you know. But um do you know if they moved in? Yeah, they
moved in. Yeah. Yeah, there they are. And you said you did have pictures of that well being cut. I do. Yeah, I have. Is there any way you could maybe forward them to us or just I can give you the these copies. I can forward them too. Um but I I just so we have them for our folder. Yeah. Yeah. Two copies. I like
marked one up just so that you knew like what you were looking at. But then I put the original so that you know. I didn't like try to doctor it or anything. I just like labeled where the house pipe was, the street, and then which one was the well. Oh, I I do have this photo. This this is a photo of the This isn't
the actual well. This is just the connection. That's the connection. Yeah. Okay. So, we know the well really is just all that's left of it cuz the pump and everything's gone. Okay. Out of the house. Um when I had the plumber come and install the clock meter, he took the
pump. So, there's no pump or anything. So, all that's left is just the cap that sticks out of the ground probably, you know, 2 or 3 feet. So that's the old well pump. That's part of the decommissioning is pulling out the well, uh pulling out the pump and everything and then it just Yeah. The pump's gone. The pump's already been
removed. It's gone off the property. So that's not even in the house. Yeah. So it should be a lot less than 3,000 if they're just filling it. If everything has been removed. Um Yeah. Everything from the house and anything connected to the house is gone. All that pipe,
everything, the pump has been removed. Did you see them pulling out the pump? Yeah, it was there. It was in the house and it was about 20 ft of pipe. Oh, I've pulled that well out multiple times cuz I've had to fix it. Okay. Um Yeah, I Well, there's a connector. So,
they pull out that piece and then I think to the there's like like a connection piece that I've had to replace a couple times. I want to say that's probably like 25 ft. Okay. So, it's a shallow well. It's going to be a shallow well. It might be in this I don't Does it say it in this report? I know. So, the report is just the septic
system. It doesn't Oh, it doesn't say anything about the well. Okay. All right. Then what's that? Let's send the new homeowners a a letter. Let them know what's going on. And yeah, and let them know this well is highly contaminated. It's not to be used. It's filed. I don't I have other stuff. I
don't know if you need it just to show that it was tied in. I have like a letter from Clark Shaw saying that it was tied in on May 22nd and turned on like their water was turned on. I have like my contract with them. I have in this is all copies that you can keep. I
have invoices from the plumber, the excavator, clock shores. So it just all of that is just proof to show that tit. Yeah. And those are all copies. But obviously it's my name cuz I don't own it many times anymore. But
But well, I appreciate your time. You know, and we'll follow up with the new owners and definitely keep them aware of what we're looking for. At least it's tied in. It is. So, their health hazard is gone. That's absolutely. Yeah. I mean, and like I said, I made sure that
I went above and beyond to get the picture and have them take the pump completely right out of the house so that there was This is a well we never want to hooked back up again. That's why it's so important to get it removed from the ground. I wish I knew because we've
been drinking that water for 13 years. That's why we recommend everybody tested. I had it every year. We recommend. So, right now, state law doesn't require like private wells to be, you know, to be tested. is does legislature propose that we we've
actually signed on back in it to require people just to do basic well testing annually because it's private. We can't just go on there and test your stuff. You know what I mean? I did it two years ago and I'm surprised that it didn't Yeah. could come back. Hi at that point
cuz I went through um University of Massachusetts was doing like a it was a free thing but they told you like when you signed on that if it was like obviously contaminated they would contact the board of health and I had all the testing and maybe it just didn't get to a point yet in the system
where the system started flowing that way and just took well I know there's been a lot of changes in clock shores over the past few years too with other people and the new houses. Yeah. Wells and water and all kind rumble and stuff under there. Maybe it did something. I don't know. But anyway, thank you. I
appreciate your time. Thank you. No problem. Do we need to vote on those? Um, nothing in writing. Um, we could take a vote just to be safe to say to send to send the letter that I
would agree. It won't affect them, but I would that where it hadn't come to the board before. Yeah, I agree. And then we'll send that vote to the new owners and let them be aware of what I'll make a motion we send a letter to the new
owners of one vital street letting them know that their septic system with the old well on it is in currently in failure. Um, and to get it out of failure, they need to abandon the
existing well that's there and feel free to reach out to Ed um and and meet with them and have them help them with any questions that they might have. It must be abandoned through a licensed well and abandoned. Yeah. Abandoned the right way
through a licensed weld roller. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I I you good with that, Ed? Yeah. And just make sure you state the well was contaminated them high levels just so the people are aware and definitely that's the
reasoning why it must be removed. All right. Come on up Pat. Next on the agenda 43 Panitary Drive. Meet with owner for a waiver for an easement to a butter's well. Another well issue. Patrick Mongol.
Um, I'm here for a variance for a well loaded property line which doesn't meet the setbacks for the board of health and to allow two wells on a single lot. Okay. And and as long as
I'm fine with it as long as an easement so the other person can get to their well and fix it if they need to. So that well has an easement on it already. Oh, there's already one on there's already one on that well, but that easement was formed before the lot was subdivided.
Okay. So that's why I'm Was that Was that easement recorded in the regions? Yep. Yep. It's on file. So you following that, Ed? What was So there's already an easement been on this property before they divided the lot
off? Yes. So that well already once once um Peter Penitentary realized that the well was on not on the correct property, he put an easement onto the well. Okay. Does it match the one that's shown there? Correct. Yes. Okay. Yep. Cuz originally they didn't show it on the
plan. I had I had to send it back and then they Yep. Yep. Yep. So it is the one the So this easement that's shown on the plan is already recorded for the the well that's an easement for utility access
but we're talking about the well yeah that's yeah it's utility. Yeah. So that's already that's already recorded. Okay. And that utility is the is what the neighbor has for an easement
onto that property. Yes. I didn't know there was already one existing. I thought um they just drew those lines for that. Okay. This plan says proposed. Doesn't say existing. Well, that would do it. Yeah, it says proposed easement. Doesn't say it does
say proposed. Yes. But there is there already is easement filed with the Plymouth County on that well. Okay. So, you're just concerned that the board is going to allow two wells on this law. Yeah. My my thing is I just want to get everything Yeah. Now I finalize before I
start the project and then realize that it's there's something. Yeah. Yep. I don't believe we have any rag at all against two wells in a property. We I think we've gone through this before. There are there are no Yeah. RGs that you can't have two wells in a property.
Good per local rags or title. Okay. Yeah. As long as we get a copy of the easement so we know what's really there. I don't even think you got to do anything. You could have them take proposed off maybe. So, but I mean like I said, we can take a
vote. Yeah. If you need something for the bank or something like that, but just in Yeah. Yeah. I just want to have everything in the records. Yep. Yep. We two wells are allowed on a property and there needs been done correctly on Yeah. the existing one and it meets all
setbacks to the well uh to septics. There's no you're not creating septic um snow variance. Um you meet all a title five on your proposed new construction fourbedroom. There's no
Yeah. So I don't see any this going to be your house with spec. All right. No, nobody's here to speak to this besides the buyer. All right. I'll make a motion that we
confirm that the existing easement is there as shown on the plan and that we for the sake of records um put on record that the town of Lakeville has no regulation against two
wells on one property. Um and that we're fine with it. I don't know the legal language, but it meets all of Title 5. And it meets all title five. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I
Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. Just get him a copy of that and then they'll put it in the file and we'll back up. It'll go along with the vote we just took. All right. Perfect. Thank you. No problem. Next on the agenda,
the Mia Thai Cuisine 60 Court Street, Plymouth, Mass annual Mobile Food Permit pending inspection on Friday, June 20th. Um, you said that day may change. We're not doing it the 20th. They were busy that day or no,
they're still doing it uh Friday. Um, yeah. No, they they are doing the inspection on June 28th, I believe. Okay. And the only question uh on the permit is the date of approval. The date of approval it was on 7. Yeah, it says 7125. 712, but it'll be
get changed to today. It will actually be approved as of tonight. Yeah. 6:18 um as of the vote and pending inspection. So, it won't be approved until after once the inspection is done.
So, June, it's approved. Anybody? No, we're good. I'll make a motion that we approve the uh annual mobile food permit pending the inspection
for the Mia Tide Cuisine from Plymouth, Mass. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I Next on the agenda, we have to re reappoints of assistant board of health agents. That's all three of us for the
period of July 1st, 2025 through June 30th of 2026. Um we obviously cannot vote for ourselves. We have to vote for all three. I'm first on the list. I'll make a motion we
approve Derek uh we appoint Derek Maxim a assistant board of health agent for the time of July 1st 2025 to June 30th 2026 second. Any discussion? All those
in favor? I I'll make a motion we approve Chris Pratt uh reappoint Chris Pratt an assistant board of health agent for the period of July 1st 2025 to June 30th 2026
second any discussion all those in favor I I make a motion we reappoint Robert Paluchi assistant board of health agent for the period of July 1st 2025 to June 30th, 2026. Second. Any discussion? All
those in favor? I I We've been doing this for so long, you actually did have it now. Yeah. Do we want to keep Ed on? Yes. Ed, this is just milk and cream. Okay. Next on the agenda, get somebody else to do milk and cream. We have to recommend to the
select board to appoint Edward Cullen as the inspector of milk for the period of July 1st, 2025 through June 30th, 2026. Is that a motion? I'm just reading it. No, no motion. I'll make a motion that
we recommend to the select board to appoint Ed Cullen as the inspector of milk for the period of July 1st, 2025 to June 30th, 2026. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I.
Next on the agenda, review and approve meeting minutes as typed for January 30th, 2025. This had been continued from May 21st, 2025. It was the planning board planning board joint meeting
um at 700 p.m. I believe it was big so we didn't have a I had read through it a lot of pages of it. It was an act meeting. I was okay with it. I have comments. Chris, I'm good. Bob, I'm
good. I'll make a motion we approve the board of health joint planning board meeting from January 30th, 2025 as typed. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I I.
Next is the March 19th, 2025 meeting. Um, all three members were present. Um, I have no issues with it. I'd like to see any errors. Chris, good. Bob? Yeah, I'm good.
I make a motion we approve the board of health meeting minutes dated March 19th, 2025 as typed. I'll second that. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I All right. Next on the agenda, um we're going to discuss public water supplies
in Lakeville and their regulatory authority. Um I don't know. I know I asked put this on, but because I was getting a bunch of stuff. I don't have Facebook, but I was getting a lot of stuff sent to me and there seems to be a
lot of misinformation out there um from the public. So, um, first I'm going to ask people when they watch this, if they question what we say, the attorney general can confirm it and they will answer you on a matter
like this from a when you have a question about the board of health. So, type them an email and ask them, does the local board of health have any authority to supersede D? Does the board of health have any
authority at all when it comes to public water supplies? You will find out the answer is no to both questions. Um all our authority to do this what we do every every week or two comes from D.
They give towns the ability because they don't have the time to review every septic system and every well and every title five. So all the authority for this kind of stuff um the main question is on public water supplies comes from
D. Um that's why if we vote on something and you don't like our answer, you can appeal to D. But if D does something, you can't appeal to us cuz we have no more authority over changing one of their
rigs or one of their decisions than we do to go out on 18 and change the speed limit because we don't like it. Um so we literally have no authority over D. Now some of the things that have been said was that
specifically about Clark Shores and Lebaron. So let me start with Clark Shores. Clock Shores the wells that got put in were permitted by D who helped them get grants for some of the money to
put them in. They asked for input from this board, but they didn't enact anything we asked them. So, they went ahead um a little history from the 40s or 50s. Clark Shore
had seasonal water, was only on for a few months in the summer, got shut off in the 40s and 50s. the people um didn't know or didn't need to put a deed restriction on those homes because they had no water. So, when there's no water,
it's not it's called portable water and so you can't live there. When D was permitting this and talking about running year round water down there, we had a lot of concerns because then legally all those houses could become year round once they hooked up to them.
They didn't seem to care and they went ahead and permitted them and um we had no authority to inspect the stuff before they backfilled it. We had no they permitted everything themselves. They gave us no authority at all over the installation, where the money went, how
it was spent, the contractors, nothing. We had nothing to do with that at all. Um, the problem most people are having now, and we all agree, I think my whole board agrees, is the the budget for the well, for the testing, for all the stuff
involved in that and the loans that they have was based on about 400 houses being hooked up. I currently don't think that there's 100 houses hooked up. So, that means all the people down there are paying exorbitant amounts of money for
their water in my opinion. Um, I mean it did raise the value of their homes a lot when it became that, but that's neither here or there. It's not what they were promised when they got hooked up. I personally, and since the other two have got on, have probably
spent more time dealing with the Clark Shaw's water than any other thing that we've ever talked about and dealt with and tried to help. Last year, we literally had a group of people from down there. They came to every one of
our meetings for the better part of a year to see what we were doing so they could understand what was happening down there. And I think they came to understand that we were doing everything legally we could do as far as making people hook up when we could. Um like
just like the last meeting or another one that's going on. Um the more people that get hooked up, the better their situation will get. Um, but their water is perfectly safe. It's tested. There is no water quality. No one's hooked up
that's drinking unsafe water. Um, we actually for the last few years have been adding two approvals that when somebody does a septic that when the water gets run down their street, they have I think 90 days that they have to tie into it um to to try to help them
get more homes hooked up and to make it uh a safe system. the So there's literally if anybody has an idea or something legal we can do, come on to a meeting and tell us. We're happy to do whatever we can do to try to
help people with that. The other one that's all over the place is Learon and I've had multiple conversations over the years with that. Town water that comes from Taton, city of Taton. We never see a plan. We never
get asked about it. We don't get involved at all in town water. It's another thing that's out of our control. The D and the treatment plants in the cities, they have their own regulations and what they need to do and how they need to pass it. The people when they
want to put in a project literally come to the selectment in this town. They authorize the amount of gallons a day the people want to use and after that they hook it up. normally since in the last so many years it's always been in
private projects. Uh sometimes Tauntton inspects it, sometimes they don't. Learon's biggest problem is again it's the the price, it's the billing. Um instead of putting individual meters on every single home, um they're paying um
a very high rate divided equally whether there's one person living in the house or six people living in a house. And it's not fair in my opinion. Again, that's not fair. But that's how it was when the people bought into it. That's what due diligence is for. But again, I
think that they they're not getting the fair deal. And I think that that should be addressed. But again, we have no authority to call Taunt and tell them to stop mastering it and put individual meters in the homes or or what rate they
can charge for the water to that project. Um, again, it had nothing to do with us. I'm hoping after that mess, and I think after that mess, that when the selectman approve water going forward, they will make a stipulation that every
single home has to have its own meter. Um, I sincerely hope that they do that in all future approvals so this doesn't happen again. And um it's more money for the developer to do it that way, but to me it's uh fairer for the for the
residents. But again, they have no water quality issues. That's tested right in Lakeville at the treatment uh plant we have over there. There's a big lab in there. Um that's tested multiple times a day. The water is perfectly safe to
drink and bathe in. The question is the billing and if they're being treated fairly under the way it's master metered. Um but again it's not a a water quality thing. Um I know D we've seen a report got involved because they're
calling it a public water supply. So that they're they're having they're asking Learon to uh this letter was posted on one of the Facebook pages. That's why I'm referring to it. It's public record anyway. from D. Um, and they want that type of testing done. It
sounds to me like as if it was a well, even though it's not. They want to start having um regular tests in the complex, which again, that's D is already addressing that with them. Um, and I I was told last week that the selectmen
weren't or the weren't I believe they're not getting more building permits until it's resolved. I'm not sure 100% if that's true or not, but I was told that recently. Um, and the new homes in there, I I was told also are starting to have their own
meters. So, um, which is a a step in the right direction u for that. So again though, if people are saying I know one of my fellow board members uh tried making a comment and people jumped all over them. Um I got that sent to me and
it was very unfair saying we don't care. Um we're not doing anything for the people. Um it's just not true. And again, go on the attorney general's page and ask them those two questions.
And when you find out, try to be constructive. If you can come up with something that we haven't thought of all these years, I for one, I'm happy to put it on a meeting and address it with whoever's idea it is. But again, that's
it's that's totally 100% under D. And that's you guys can comment if you want, but that's all I have to say about it. Um, one thing I would add too is um, if anyone out there like has questions, come to a meeting. I mean, like social media is not the place to be doing this
stuff. Like I try to answer a question here or there and it turns into it devolves into chaos. So like I want to have like a courteous, nice discussion, but it just doesn't happen on social media. So it's not like just you just
walk away. So we're here every you know twice a month. Twice a month. Um we're happy to discuss any questions people have. Um yeah I don't want to you know it's just hard to get get sucked into things and
be and be I don't know fodder for other people's agendas and stuff like that. And yeah I just don't want it to be that way. So come to a public meeting and we'll talk about it. Okay. Um, and then just the other I believe comment I read through some of
the paperwork Edit sent on it. Um, and the I believe they're going back with D and City of Taton in um, Learon. Um I I believe yeah the testing they wanted to make sure the hydrants were getting
flushed inside the the baron because the city of Taton does not go inside the gates of Lebaron to flush the hydrants and there's a lot of water mane in there. Um I believe that was one of the issues that came up. I believe one of the some of the gate valves in Lebaron weren't working when they went in and
found out they didn't work. Um so I think that's another issue. Um and then I think on another issue they like you you'd mentioned they actually want to test when you said they test the city of Taton water that is correct and they do test the hydrants
um throughout for water but they do not test the hydrants in past that master meter into Learon. Um I think that was one of the concerns um where they where this is now I
believe it's over 15 homes and 25 people 15 services 15 service connections uh or regularly services on an average of 25 individuals daily and at least 60 days a year that consists of a public
water system which Learon does. Lebanon's way over that, right? So they're one streets over that, but D is I believe I can just turn it over to Ed to is dealing with them and their attorneys on this one. Yeah, I don't
know the clarify what what the current status is, but it's it's yeah, they're they're in contact with each other. Both cotton B and themselves are all communicating about how to resolve the situation, but I don't know how it's going to turn out. Okay. But it is
getting resolved between the three parties. Again, the board of health communicating. I don't know if it's getting resolved. If they're communicating and again, they have no communication with us as the board of health. Nothing. We don't get notified of the meetings when they're meeting, what they're doing. Um, we just reached out to try to get
this information to see what they were doing. Any other comments on that, Ed, or what where water supply is? any update on anything in uh Clark Shores with the water on I know we were non-stop on that
but um no not not too much lately still all okay so we'll go on to the next item on the agenda um number eight discussion regarding transit oriented development
the Lakeville MBTA station this is the old T-station. Now they've moved it into Middle Bar. Um the is the planning board to reach out to us or the select board? Um it was actually the uh minister. Okay. just just informed you that they
um there will be a meeting on June 23rd and you're invited whether you choose to have one person go or you can all okay say one person can go or I mean it's open to the public so it can all okay
that was my next it's open to the public one person represent you if you have any comments for that meeting um the meeting is scheduled for the um June 23rd at 6:00 p.m. and the MBTA will be sending several representatives
uh to the meeting to discuss. Um it is the plans to develop the Lakeville MBTA station into a transoriented development, but no specific details have been finalized or shared. Um there's still over 200 spots that
will remain for Cape Flyer in the summertime. Um, and they are committed to working with the town for the best possible use of the area. So, I guess they're just looking for maybe some input from the town. I don't know if us as a board of health anybody would like to go. And
it'd be interesting in I I had put in my calendar um, you know, just to as a placeholder, you know, I wouldn't mind going. be curious how honest it'll be because you know do remember a time when they they told the select select board member that they weren't moving the
station and the very next night they told middle borrow they were moving the station so I I got to go for MRI at 7:30 that night so I won't be there so but if you if you want to go too you just got to post it I'm good with Chris going if you're
following us represent Bit and feedback if anything just so we can let anybody watching what they're thinking. I don't know if we have I don't know how much stuff will impact us either. That's was my next question. Is there anything you can think of that's going to impact the board of health? Again, that'll end up being a treatment plant or something and
and that'll be D. Anything over 10,000 gallons is D. Did I see something like was there talk of like some kind of building or something going on over there or No, that's not transient housing though. Oh, it's just transitoriented development. Not
transient. Well, you know what I mean. We don't know what they're thinking. Yeah, I thought I You know what? That was probably just a something I saw on social media. But anyway, would be good to know what they are thinking. Be good to know what's going on.
Okay. So, Chris will um it said do we have to reach out to them? Just let them know we are sending a representative from the board of health. Yeah. send an email tomorrow. Yeah, it does say cuz they want to know if they have to have more room. Yeah, please let me know if you have any
and just tell them that the person will be coming to represent the board. And we have no concerns at this time. They ask if we have any concerns. Um any housing concerns? I don't know if that even is what they're talking about there. I don't know what they're talking about there.
I guess just I have none at this time. As far as cuz we don't even know what they're thinking. Yeah. As far as the septic, it has nothing to do with us. As far as as private citizens, we might have
questions. So, if something's really offending you, Chris, it's not something to do with the subject. Make sure you're asking as a private citizen. Don't get us all in trouble. Okay? So, you write that on your calendar. That is June 23rd, 6 p.m. And that is
here or at the Do we know where it's at? Uh it says I was just reading that. I don't Yeah, I don't know location. Okay, find out the location. Uh discuss recent port of health agent pending
items. Ed, any items? So, Massachusetts got its first u mosquito sample of West Nile virus. Um it's on Tuesday. Um it was in Shrewsbury, which is next to Wister, so it wasn't in this area, but it is kind of early for West or or
anything this time of year. Um normally we don't get like um start getting mosquito samples till July and um so it's not a good sign, I guess. Um it is it has been pretty wet lately. Been raining every almost weekend weekend for
a while now. So, um 14 in a row. Yeah. But but they're saying not this one. Yeah. Well, hopefully we get some dry weather because like I said, it's rough to kind of a bad start with that. Yeah. It rained almost every Saturday last summer, right? Just about. Okay. Um also
this this weekend and uh Monday, Tuesday especially, we're expecting a big heat wave. Um, so they always say the worst is the first is the worst because it's been kind of cool and when you get really hit with a really heat wave, it's that's when a lot of get a lot of hospital visits. So just let everyone
know there is um the COA they do have um it's called a it's a cooling center. So if the COA is open um you know you're welcome to go there and cool off if you do not have air conditioning or anything like that um when it is open. If it's
not open and you request it, there is a number you can call um which is 5089474121 um which is actually the fire department and they will open it for you. So like I said, if it's really hot on Sunday and
you get a call, they they will provide something for you to get cooled off. Um, so like I said, we it's it's especially Monday and Tuesday, I think, are going to be the worst. Um, so just get prepared and be prepared. And also, um, if you know someone who's older or has
trouble dealing with heat, just try to check on them. Um, both neighbors, um, relatives, and things like that. It's, like I said, it's it's going to be a good heat wave. And like I said, we haven't had anything that like this hot yet this year. So, just try to prepare for it. change your filter in your air
conditioner if you haven't recently. Heat can get through a clogged filter. Um, it's thinner and lighter than cold can. So, a lot of the AC start going and freezing up this time of year when it first gets hot because of they call for a service tech and they come out and
it's just a filter and you pay for a service call and you have to wait a day to let it th out before you can turn it on and make it work. So, um, a $5 filter that takes 15 minutes to change will saves a lot of headaches next week.
Anything on, um, ticks? I know we're supposed to We've got that new variance of ticks out there. Any thing from the state on ticks? Um, not too much. I mean, they don't it's it's tougher to monitor the ticks the way they do mosquitoes because um well I mean most
most um like deer ticks will are positive for we already know that. So it's just um you know and the thing is when you get bit by a tick a lot of times you don't get the symptoms till like weeks later. So it's tougher to do that and like with mosquitoes they do
a lot of spraying and things like that but they they really don't do much for ticks. it's kind of on the person to to do it themselves. Whether it's um you know just spraying deep or um spraying a yard or things like that and just you know wearing protective clothing it's
mainly on the person whereas the the state does a lot for um mosquito control and and we use Plymouth County Mosquito Control and they will uh spray for free. All you have to do is call them, go on our website, we have the number there. Um we have sprayed the parks. I've made
two requests already. you can make up to eight requests per year. Um so like I said, it's a good time to do it now to keep those numbers down so before it gets um too many later on. Okay. Yeah, ticks. I I went to a thing
last fall. Just fixing the food chain would actually was the only real way that we'll get ticks back into control. Basically, we need to reintroduce wolves into the northeast. Oh, really? to get rid of the deer because it'll it'll do
all kind it'll realign the food chain itself. So like more because the biggest vectors are mice and birds that that carry the ticks with the virus. That's how the that's how the islands are like chalk full of all the diseases because the birds get the mice get on a ship or
the birds fly over. But you like more rodents get eaten and then there's less chance for birds to get them and I don't know. But yeah, we're not introducing roles into the northeast. So I I did hear that too like on the new some of the new diseases like alpha gal which is
the one where you get allergic to um red meat. Yeah that's from the lonear tick um on the islands it's really prevalent because it's being brought up by birds and so it's been on the islands and now it's on the coast and like Marian metapois and it is moving here. I don't
know if it's in Lakeville yet but it will eventually be in Lakeville. Yeah the Bedford I heard about it last year. Good. I treated all my pants last week. Yeah, peromethine's great on your boots and your pants and it's it's um you know,
you can't put it on your skin, but you can put it on your clothes and it'll last what? Six weeks or something like that. Like or six washings, something like that. Six washes. Yeah. So, like Yeah. 6 weeksish. Anything else? I'm good. Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor?
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