2025 at 6 p.m. call the Lakeville Board of Health meeting to order. Is there anyone in the audience recording this? I see no one. Uh Lake Cam is recording this and will be available for showing.
First on the agenda, 27 Reservoir A meet with foresight engineering to discuss requested local upgrade approval. Darren Malis for engineering here on behalf of the property owner. We got an existing tank
underneath the deck with an existing leech pit in the backyard. Uh so all the plumbing leaves underneath the slab and it's a walk out dwelling finished basement. So we proposed the system in the backyard. Unfortunately, we're within the 200 ft of the tributary, which is the reservoir for the golf
course. So, that's our variance request to 144 um in the new tank would be probably about 150. You can see all the wells are on the front of the property, so there's not too many options. Okay.
Um it is an existing threebedroom. They have listed as a two, but it's a two upstairs and it's a full finished basement with full egress and windows beside it. So, and the house next door has five bedrooms. It's the same size house. I don't see how you can't count the
basement as a full bedroom. So, we're designing under the minimum of three. We don't need a D restriction. Yeah. Nitrogen loading. We'd be allowed seven if I was to squeeze the system out in the front corner with a pump, but the tanks would still be within the 200 ft.
So we can't ask for that. Okay. For increase in flow. So And did we have anything in the file, Ed, on the old system what it was designed for? I didn't have the file. Yeah, I know it says 200, but a leech pit is designed for 400 gallons a day, right?
Especially in the sand that it's in. So I don't, like I said, it's two bedrooms upstairs, but the basement's a full walk out on the bottom, and it's got a slider right there with windows right next to it. It's a full finished basement, so it's a bedroom. And the house next door is listed as a
five of the same size house and that was just repaired a couple years ago. Yeah. Long as it says what was there. There must be something back from the early '7s. The original system that was here. These were the original. Yeah. I know the permit says 200 right
on it, but there's no way a leech pit is ever designed for 200. I can provide that data. It's 456 gallons a day. Yeah. So it it it does say 200, but that that's not the um that was the um that was the minimum flow. They said, you know, the minimum flow 50 and then, you
know, 200. So they never actually did the calculations to see what the the total capacity of the um the tank is. I mean the um pit is. So they just never did it out. They just said, "Okay, this is the minimum flow." And yeah, it's an 8ft pit, 6t diameter. So
and the gravel there is beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It's a 12T diameter. It's a huge B. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted to just make sure just where you Yeah. the full as long as it doesn't say and we're going to count the rooms,
right? I'm fine with that. Uh that was one question. Um, the only other one I mean you kind of you might have been able to get it up front by the road, but I didn't know if there's more wells across the street or anything. There are those walls are all in the
front yard. On the front yard across and then our tank is still within 200 ft either way. So either way, the tanks are going to be We're asking for bearings and we're running a pump line all the way up and Right. Yeah, you'd have to add a pump. Y. Um, and the only other one I don't I
think it's okay, but I see where you did the perk down at that 82 grade, but I mean we have an 87 contour almost at the edge of the stone and pipe. Walls are at 48, but that's not consistent. That's right. It's it's a pretty steady, correct?
Yeah. I mean, this is beautiful sand. We didn't see any evidence. That whole hill is all seen, right? And the same with the one next door. They had exact same material called water about the same distance 7 ft right where they were digging. So yeah, if you go down near the pond pond 76. Yeah, they're right that retaining wall is there a little bit further down the
hill than we are. So yeah, I think I did that one. So I know that's Yeah, we show that fence there. That's the back of that system. That system there right. So it's almost the same elevation. Ed and I had that discussion when we were out there cuz we're at the bottom of the hill bottom of the hill. But you but we're still higher than the wetland. So it shows that it's a pretty
consistent and up across the street. We don't have any water table over there at all. You agree with that, Ed? I do. Okay. That was my only other concern why you were 5 ft less than two. If you carry 4 ft down from that 87 contour, the bottom of the system is a water table. But right,
it doesn't definitely if we see something different at bottom hole, we'll obviously adjust it. Yeah, cuz we have plenty of pitch here too before they put anything in. If they dig the bottom hole first, we can verify that. So, yeah. It just doesn't really follow the contour there. No, it just goes over. Yeah, it's like
raining gravel when you drop the bucket. Okay, gorgeous. Um, those were my only two that I had was that I'm okay with it. I didn't see anything else. Okay. Did you have any comments on this one? I do not.
Anyone in the audience want to speak to this one before we make a motion? No. I'm fine with it. Still make a motion we approve this sewage disposal system upgrade design for 27 Reservoir A with the two local upgrade
requests for setbacks to the tributary. I'll second that. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I I have a good night. Thanks. See you. Next on the agenda,
1214 Morrison Way. It's continued from the July 16th meeting. Meet with Zenith Consulting Engineers to discuss requested local upgrade approvals. I'll turn it over to you, Will. Uh Will Connelly, Zena Consulting Engineers.
Um so the site has two houses on it. Um both are serviced by their own separate well and septic. Um the septic for number 14 is a cesspool located over here. Um and
there's an existing shallow well 14 over here. Um and then number 12 has a leeching field. Um and I believe a deep well. Um the shallow well is currently uh not operating. So we're proposing a new well
for number 14. Um and given the site constraints, we are not able to get over 100 ft from both the septics on the site. So we're requesting a reduction from 100 ft to 70 ft for number 14 um from the well of the leeing field and
then from 100 ft to 75 ft for number 12. Um, so I think that's about it. If there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Okay. A couple of questions on this one, Will. Um, are the owners here on this
one? Are you speaking for the owners on this one? Um, I don't believe the owners are here. Okay. Um, do you know what they're um does family live in these or do we know what who's who's in
these houses or anything to do? Any idea? I don't know. I believe Yeah, I'm not sure um what the situation is. Okay. If we could somehow contact them. I mean, the situation there, especially with what they have there now, whether
you have an existing cesspool, it's most likely in groundwater next to a shallow well, which most likely, you know, within 50 ft. Um, you know, that's a serious thing. So, just somehow inform them that not to drink their water. Yeah. That's Yeah, we we've been contracted
through the the well driller, so we haven't really been in contact with the um the homeowner. So, right. I think we should probably send them a letter on our own anyway. Yeah, we we can send you some, but if you um are in contact with them just uh to to do that as well, just so they make
sure they get the message. Yep. Yeah. Cuz we scale to that well and it's not even 50 ft. Yeah. So, it's it's automatic failure. You shouldn't even be drinking it. Yeah. Um and the other one's a newer deep well. It's on number 14. Yes. Okay. Okay. I don't know how new, but um I think the
plan from 93 called it out as a deep well. Okay. Um just a couple more things on this one. I mean, the well it's called the only spot you can put it. We had you move it a little bit further. I think is as far as you can put it now. Um actually I still have
this is the old plan. Do you still have the new plan? How many copies of the new plan did we have? You don't have the new plan? No, this is Yeah, we we keep the old plan. Oh, maybe this. So, you should have got a new plan, too. So, this could be
this is a new one. I believe void superseded. This is the old one. Yeah, if if it says void sup. Yeah, cuz it shows the trenches coming up on that one. Okay.
Um, so back in our folder, I know you're just asking for a well permit. Um, now to install a new well. Um, but obviously we need the variances cuz we can't get 100 ft from the ces pool or
the septic on lot 12 and lot 14. So he's 80 ft from the leeching trenches on 12. He's 75 ft from the cesspool on 14. Um the cess poolool I mean I
think we can even without even going out there think that's in failure in the groundwater. Um we're pretty sure the trenches at least I'm pretty sure the trenches on 12 are in groundwater. Um we pulled out this shows Pete it showed weeping at 28
in. Um, we had a plan come in on 93 um, all the way back from 1993 to put in a 2,000galon tank and tie into an existing trenches. Um, it's approved, but from there we had nothing in the file. Um, going out there now, it looks
like that 2,000gallon tank is there. Correct. Yeah, that's there. Um, we actually had someone camera the leeching field um and pull swing ties for the location and everything. So, it looks similar to what was shown on that plan as far as the the leeching field.
Okay. So, we believe it was put in, but we were never contacted. There was never an inspection in the folder. There was never an asbuilt. Um, and and that that plan doesn't show any trenches. That's the that's where I got confused because I just saw a tank in there. There is no note. The note says hook up to them, but
they're not shown. Yeah, but they're not shown. So, I just I just assume that it was just a tight tank initially, but um Right. So, there is a note to hook up to the trenches, but when you look at the the models where they did the test for, I mean, you have water at less than 2 ft
in the ground. So, there's no way those trenches aren't in water. I mean, so obviously that one's failed also, right? So, so they're both in the groundwater and they're both feel failed. Um, we have a letter in the file
from a previous agent, Larry Perry, that they sent in certified mail. Um, that this was back I can show you the letter was dated March 25th of 2016.
Um, What did he say? A couple of them. So, he sent him a couple times. Says, "Your septic system was found to be in groundwater in 2004 and should have been repaired within 2 years prior to new ownership. It appeared that you
started the repair process in 2004, but failed to follow through. Uh, please contact with us within 7 days." Had it changed hands then? That was my next question. How do we know how long this owner has owned this property? Has this ever been sold?
Have a name on that. The same as what's um David or Doug? Dear Rey Morrison II trustee. Yeah. So it it the original owner was Reie Morrison in 1976
and then he sold it to Reie Morrison II in 2011. And in that situation, assuming it went from one family, a father to a son, um they're not required to um upgrade upgrade. That's in title five. Yeah. So it went from Ray Ray Morrison
the first to Ray Morrison the second. So yes, it did change hands. Um so was the name on the plan the weller? Yes. Okay. That's that's just throw me too. So it's still owned by the Morrison. Yes. Still owned by
All right. So I guess now we have that. Um so we should send a I mean I think we should send a letter to them just knowing that their wells the septics in failure um and the wells
should be tested. So obviously on these so we have to drill a new well we require nitrate testing on the new well. Um we don't we don't have to do gross alpha. No, but there's a regular parameters. It's a number of
things, but that any any new well um needs to be tested before we can allow it to be uh used. Okay. And then if it does come back high in nitrates above five, these systems are an automatic failure. That they need to be upgraded. Okay.
Just so you're aware that yeah, that triggers it automatic failure. Um, and also with systems in the water table and the wells are closed obviously. Um, I I don't know if they're renting them or not, but we don't allow we wouldn't allow these to be rented, but systems in
the water table and failure. Yeah. Um, again, it might just be family cottages. I don't know. Um, is the new well done service boatous or just one? Just the one. Just the one. And also, yeah, they were rented. We
would have to have we have a list of what we need to do for rental properties. The wells need to be tested yearly. Yeah. Year yearly testing for any rental property. You need a you know pass title five. You can't have a failed system in a rental or an Airbnb or or any of that.
Um so as far as like I said I it still notes in the file the septic from failure. Obviously, the owner must know it. Unless it comes back to nitrates, I don't know if there's anything I don't like issuing the well permit to put it
in two failed systems, but it's you need a well, right? It's going to be better than what's there. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that you have comments or questions. No, like you said, it it didn't transfer, but I mean, unless that
comes back, that's the only trigger we have to make them upgrade them or it's high in nitrates. Coming back, then then that's the other level we have seal of that. So, will how how did this come about that they wanted to do this anyway? Because just because this pool was so close, so like No, I think the well dried up. The well
dried up. Yeah. So, they're they don't have they haven't had water for like I think over a month, couple months now. So, is it year round or the I don't know. As a well, it's probably I would imagine
it's not seasonal, but and I think at least we should send a letter just stating that until that well's gone in and find out, you know, let them know that their systems are in failure. I'm sure they're aware of it. It's the same owner or families. I'd attach
copies of those previous letters too to that if you if you could when you send it out. And even um the different assistance types of assistance. Yeah. You know, the state, you know, rebate on the tank, all that options, too. So, there's a lot of options.
So, they know that there's options to help them that. Um but I I looked into it as much as I could to see it. We have to issue a well permit if there's no way around it. Unless they're selling it or they're renting it,
we just keep letting them know it's in failure. Or if it comes back and nitrates, it's a definite must be upgraded. There's been a lot of way. I agree. I'll get another.
Is there anyone here to speak to this one? Did you have any other comments on this one as far as the location or testing? All right, you got my plan, so Chris will have to make it.
All right, I make a motion to approve the new well plan at 14 Morrison Way on 12. 12 and 14, but the new one's on 14. um
with the two local upgrade approvals and then just the contingency we send those letters about um the other issues on the property. I'll second that. Any discussion? All those in favor? I
thank you. Will thank you. He's not going anywhere. You can sit right up there if you wish to speak at one of the microphones. What's that? Okay.
Yeah. They they they will um tell you when you know if you have any comments. All right. Next on the agenda 125 Hackad meet with Zenith Consulting Engineers LLC discuss requested upgrade approvals and variances and I'll turn it over to
Will Connelly Zenith Consulting Engineers. Um so the site is um it's bordered by Long Pond to the west. Um it consists of two parcels, the one here with the house on
it um and one across the street. The existing cess poolool um is located kind of right next to the house. Um and we're proposing a 1500galon
uh microfast tank,00galon pump chamber uh both H20 monolithic um and then a sloped presby bed which is going to be across the street. Um, we pretty much pinned it as close to the the property lines as we could to keep
it as far away from the pond as we could. Um, and we also were able to keep it outside of the 100 foot well radius from the abuter. Um, so we have a number of local upgrades and variances which I can go
through. Um we're requesting a reduction in the setback between the septic tank and the property line uh from 10 ft to 5 ft. Um increase in the uh depth of the septic
tank and pump chamber from 3 ft to 6 ft. Um reduction of the separation from the inlet and outlet of the pump chamber and septic tank and high ground water. um from one foot to below high
groundwater. Um a reduction between the leeching field and the surface water supply from 400 ft to 260 ft. A reduction in the setback between the septic tank and pump chamber and the
surface water supply from 400 ft to 110 ft. Um and then a reduction a variance for the reduction in the separation of the inlet and outlet of the pump chamber and septic tank and high ground water.
Um so there's kind of a lot going on here obviously on this property. Um we pretty much stuff the tanks. the only place that um you can really fit them um in this
entire front yard just kind of works upgrades. So that's the reason for that request for the Now you did monolithic because you're down so deep. How are you going to seal um seal the pipes coming in where you're going to be in the water table? Um I I believe the the tanks will
typically come with the um the rubber boots molded into them. probably boots on from on those. Um, and yeah, like I said, we pretty much pushed the system as far away from the pond in that abuing well as we we
could. So, I think that's about it. There's no way to change the plumbing in the at all or is it going to So, in order to replplum it, you would have to rip up that entire patio in the front. Okay. Um, if they even could. But it's a crawl
space, so I don't know. I don't know if it's even possible. I assume that depth it was was a basement. I mean, like Yeah, the gray just drops off so much right there. It's Yeah, I went by and looked at it.
There's This is really There's no room there at all. It's very difficult even to get them tanks in where where they're even drawn is is unbelievably difficult. Power lines right there. You got the overhead wires, split the two tanks. You're down a 4ft drop right at the edge
of the road to another drop. It's very difficult. Um the only thing I don't see, Will, was the cover. Sometimes when we get this depth and we're underground water, we call for the risers uh to be made into the the top.
Um, we're going to screw in gasketed riser pieces with a the flange already made into the tank. So, it's sealed already in one piece. Okay. It might be an option where this is 4 ft under the water table over the top of
the tank. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, or even just old school concrete and concrete them in and stack them on top of each other. I don't know. That's why they used to do it, but they're tough to seal cuz the concrete cracks. They break down all the time. They crack and they break down.
Ground freezes. They move and tank settles a little and concrete to get into you put the pump way up in the riser, which I've seen before. So, you can reach the pump up close to the ground and you just pull it out because you can't get
down in the tank through the riser. Um, yeah. I I looked to try to see if you could get the tanks in the backyard within 50 ft to the well, the well radius to try to come out the back because you can get down this side a little. It' be hard, but you might be able to get
around, but you can't. Then you're also closer to the pond back there. Closer to the pond with the tanks, which you don't want. There's no good answer on that one. I I think it's kind of like the best you can probably do there.
No, with all the advanced treatment too. I'm just more concerned like Derek said about the tanks leaking. Yeah. Just you don't want to leak and pump ground water into the system. It's going to fail. So, it's just very it's critical that it's So, so for the manholes that you're saying then built in. Um is that also
for the fast systems? Um you know, could Yeah, that's what I was curious curious about as well. Is there a way to make that? I mean, the regular typical manhole I I get, but for the fast, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You don't want to pump it dry in the high groundwater table. The tight water
table the uh I think they are. I believe I I just cuz it's just a big square that they cut, right? You know, with the where they drop in, but that's uh this one's an internal mount. It's internal mount. So, it has a stand drop in one. Okay. So, this you put in and then you
put the cover on. And but how do you do that on a monolithic? It's still a monolithic tank. It just has a flat 6-in cover that goes on top of the monolithic tank once you put the chamber inside the treatment inside it. And the cover does have
them made into it. I I just did it in Westport. They had them made into it. Okay. I mean, uh, the guy came out and just kept screwing gasketed collars until the height we wanted. So, it was sealed all the way up.
Okay. It's just very hard to put something on top and throw concrete around it and seal it. It's next to impossible. Well, we know these are so far on the ground and water runs out there. Yeah. Four to 6 months out of the year.
I agree with that. Other than that though, I don't know what else you can change. I think it'd be too if they had to for those microbes. Yeah, because they have to come out. I think it's yearly they test micro. Yeah, just once a year. No, they have to. It's a pain for them.
Skinny ladder. You wouldn't get down. Yeah, they don't do they don't go down. They just They're doing the the winch when you go down the harness. They they do take samples, but they have a device to take the sample. not going
down in the tank to do it. But if something went wrong with the equipment in there, it's a huge problem cuz you have to take off all the dirt on the tank. You have to take the cover off the tank. You have to get down to that chamber and fix if
it clogs or anything goes wrong inside that. The fortunately fast are pretty simple. It's it's just a blower. Most of the mechanical stuff is actually outside. Okay. Um, and then so it's just a basically a pipe going in. Um, so it's not
so they don't turn the blower off. Make sure it keeps running. Yeah. It's just little plastic fins inside that thing. Corrugated plastic just aation. Yeah. Most like the mechanical stuff that breaks down is most of it's outside. So that's one advantage to it.
And did you show that blows up by the road? Yeah. That's not near the neighbor's house. They're all real tight here. They're all probably very close. Yeah, we kind of tucked it as far away from the house. And I saw that right off the edge of the road there. And you got a slope presby with a
retainer wall foursided and everything is difficult in this job. Yeah, it's going to be a tough one. Does anyone here to talk to this? Anybody have anything they want to say? Well, I as in the butter, uh, I've been on our property for 75
years. Which house do you live at? Could you just state your name? Your name and David Boy. B O Y E 127. Hack it. Thank you. And groundwater
is a annual issue, major issue. And so as in a butter uh I was appalled when I found that the only septic plan for that property was a handdrawn sketch
by Bob Darling in 1965 and that I have never seen that uh cesspool pumped out. Probably never has been probably been better and it's uphill from there. Well,
so obviously everybody would benefit. The lake will benefit if this is a valid thing to be doing. Mhm. uh as in a butter 5 ft from that for that tank from our
property line which by the way happens to be a gutter to carry the groundwater past both properties to the lake. I've seen rapids in that culvert.
So I have the questions are digging and having had almost exactly the same system put in our property. We had the second presby system that was installed in Lakeville.
Um everything was dug up and 5 ft from the property line in that culvert. How are we going to prevent a problem with that?
I'm glad you brought that up. Are you Are you leaving that CO intact when is it done? Yeah, I believe it it kind of ran right down this fence line, right? It's just kind of like a gutter. Yep. Yeah. Um is it just like a paved swale or?
Yeah, kind of. Um now, why why are you asking for that tank variance when you have room to move it another 4.2 two feet over close to the pump chamber. Why why wouldn't you move it over further away from I think what we were trying to do is just reduce the length of that run
because we'd have so many bends in it. Um we'd be creating like a U shape cuz you'd need another clean out and 45 and then you'd add another whatever it would be. Um seven or eight ft of pipe.
Turn it. Slide it closer and turn it or no. Well, like you said, you'd have to move it this way, which you could, but you're adding they got a 45 right into the side of the tank. Now they're trying to eliminate another 90 which
yeah I have the same question about how piping gets from the crawl space up to where it would go into the 1500gallon tank. So it's jammed right between that that
house those propane tanks and that fence uh coming up there. And it's it's tight. I even get a mini down there. I I went there at four and looked at it. It's Yeah. And especially where your depth you're coming down. I mean, you're talking that
trench is going to be seven. By the time you get towards them tanks, you're pushing six, seven feet into the ground. You're 75. That contour is 77. Oh, so you're not quite that deep. Oh, no. That's groundwater elevation. 70 92.
So 71 to 78 77 78. Yeah. But I mean that you're like seven feet in the ground. Is that is that tank going to be able to be installed without interfering with that culbert egress from the crawl space the depth underground?
Is that a known fact or a guess? Just because of the depth um as far as what the plumbing or Well, no. There's obviously a pipe comes out of the house. Yep. and goes into the SAS pool. Yes.
Is the depth of that pipe verified? Yeah, we got a measurement on it. Okay. Um we field verified it. So, how how deep is the crawl space? Um it wasn't very deep. So, it's not like you could work in there or anything.
No. So, that was Yeah, that was the whole reason we couldn't really I mean this I don't know. This one's a tough one. This one maybe it's something maybe you'd even want to go visit and look at that crawl space if they can redo the plumbing out the front. I was just going to say because this is this is a nightmare to put put the drum.
Yeah, but that's what I was asking. But um I mean I mean sometimes when they say crawl space it's it's like that and other times other time you got four or five if it is feasible. I would highly entertain it should be done. I know it's a plumbing cost. People hate to do that, but
I think this is also like a patio in the front. One of the other I don't remember how tall it was. The patio in the front of the house here. Yes, there is a So, I think they'd have to she going to have to hammer that out and Yes. But either way though, I'm going to want
the tank move cuz you can't go that deep and not interfere with that cover that's draining his water and and I don't want to let them I don't want to interfere with that swale that's running that much water. So if it can get moved over I one vote is going to be to move it over.
We could shift it over. You have the room. You can shift and get away from that. But they still have to dig the pipeline like he's concerned about. I mean it's on their property but it's it's going to be very difficult. You going to have to turn around put the dirt behind you and move it and put it all back. It's a very very difficult
So I'm not sure what kind of equipment could even fit in there. I'm with you. I height. It's going to be a little machine. It's going to take a long time. So, it's already very small. Everything is so tight in there. It's
It's very very tight. Yeah. Are you the actual owners? No. Butter is on the other side. Okay. So, we haven't got to you yet. Okay. They have a a different problem than than I do. So, you're concerned about the water running down that culvert? Well, that
and um there is a statement on the plans which I have a copy of that says decommission per the uh title, right? I can't find anything in that
document that defines how to decommission an existing septic system. So, I got a question. What is that decomp decommissioning? What has to happen? You might be able to answer better than me in a situation like this.
Um, you have to pump pump out the old cesspool. You have to find it, pump it, and crush it and fill it with sand. You can leave it in place. It doesn't have to be removed. Some cases it just crush everything and fill it with sand. Yep. And we'll want the pumping brought
in wheelbarrow at a time. That one I It's I think you're going to have a wheelbarrow. They make a little, they call it a dingo on tracks with a little scoop in the front. I think this project might come in to play with one of those because you just can't get there. You can't get off the walls. It's
okay. But even I used to install Derek still installs and I don't think either one of us would want to do that job. It's it's it's a out of a 10, it's a 10 on it's I've got one other question. the microast
tank. What is the equipment in that's in the thousandgalon portion of it? So you mean this year? Yeah. Um so that's basically just like you were saying um
plastic trash can. Yeah. So that expensive plastic um and basically air just gets pumped through that um Okay. which breaks down the bacteria 24/7. Okay. Yeah, we don't have that because we were much earlier in the presence
system. Yes. So now and that blower does make noise. So it makes a hum. That's one of the Okay. Sometimes we do I'm more concerned with odor. Now is that pumping air in or is it
pumping stuff out? It sucks air in through a 3-in I believe and then it blows it back out a vent which will be right near the blower. There will be a vent. But from what I'm told um and I have installed these, they say once the
system is up and running and working after a month or two of operation, there is no smell coming out of that. That's what the installers told tell me. I've asked several times. At first, you will get a smell. Okay? Until this gets up and running and
the bacteria gets in growing in the tank, the smell goes away. It's not ideally precessing before it gets up into the breastfeed pipes. Correct. It just keeps the bacteria growing in the tank, right? You have there's other vents for
the system out by the field, too. So, like the air gets blown in. Hopefully, the air is going to follow through and go out that way too or whatever once it's working the way it's supposed to work. So, okay, the design should not have a smell
when it's working. I'm an engineer by training, so I've come up with a lot of questions. So, that was Yeah, I think how about you guys? You guys got any questions? I also had a question on the dewatering
Yep. pool that is defined there. Yes, I think con conservation that's part of conservation's part. Well, they make it a deatering thing. So that's groundwater that or surface
water. That's when you dig the hole to put the tanks in the septic tanks cuz they're so deep. It shows it's way below groundwater. Um, so if you have to put a pump in that to pump out, you have to pump into a dewatering pit. Um, through
conservation, they want that shown. Catches all the sediment. So you just can't let it go down the hill and it's all eventually going to go down the hill. Water runs down the hill because there is a culate on the other side. Yeah. And you wouldn't want to pump it into the culver. So you pump it into this dewatering and try to contain it
the best you can. Um, in this case on this property, I mean, if you've lived there long enough, if they did it this month, end of this month, next month, how dry it's been, I don't, you can ask, will I don't think you'll hit water there. Yeah, I I would definitely recommend to do it in September or August. If not
this year, um, then then next year, but it's like if you did it in the spring, water just kind of runs down that hill. Yeah, cuz you know near you know is near the pond water. I mean, bottom of the tank, I think around elevation 70 and the pond's at 535, 538 right now. So, we know it's near the
pond elevation. Um, this is just the the water from the sky falling can't get through the ground and it runs in the be perched and just runs down the hill like a river on the ground. And right now the pond's down, too. So, now's a good time to do it, right? But the ground's so dry, it's
like powder. You dig in the ground, it's literally powder. Mhm. So they could probably dig down that depth and not even find a don't even have to start a pump up, which is a good thing because you don't I was quite surprised to find sandy soil
up where the presby system because everything on our property 50 ft away 2 ft down is cement otherwise known as glacial tilt. facial cells.
It's probably we found that as well. Okay. How far down? Uh how was it? Like 2 and 1/2 ft. Yeah. There's no sand out there. Yeah. It's sandy lom. Yeah. And they did a civ which came back as
class two soil. Yeah. It's called a sandy lom which makes it sound sandy but it's it's not. Well, it's sand if you have something to pulverize it. Yeah, but just so you know, Ed witnesses all those. Nobody just gets to go out and
and make those rates themselves. Ed's witnessed every single part told. I think I've got the answers to my questions and um my name is Edward Stats, 121 Hacket, my wife Susan.
Uh my basic concern is that the location of their presby system to my ability if needed to put in a septic system on my back lot
like they're doing. I've talked to Ed quite a bit and he kind of assures me that that's not a problem. Septics can go right next to each other. You got to stay away from the well. Mhm. Yeah. But he wants to put a well out back.
Okay. And by putting this septic there, he's not going to be able to. Oh, okay. Well, that was our our original concern. We have a dog well down by the lake, right? Which is even harder to get to. I
think on your lock roof from standing at the road. It's crazy. Right. So, we've lived there since 77 and we we've had water and we have it tested every other year and it's been fine. Okay.
But should it fail, we don't have a place to put another well. So, you're hoping to use cuz you have a lot across the street like these people. You're hoping to put it away. Well, that's we hope for, but informed us that they're down here. It needs to be 100 ft
away from existing septic systems. So the property south of us, Karis, they have a what do you call it? A mounded septic system right right next to our property line. So I don't know if there's a place up there.
That's the one in the middle. Yeah. So they theirs is um 100 ft wide and they have septic fields on well they have one on one side now and now they're going to have one on the other. So it's going to basically eliminate the ability for them to drill a well up here
without a waiver. So you know is you guys are right next door, right? I'm looking at this correctly cuz there's a different name here. That's why I was looking. No, there one over here. Oh this lot if you drew a line and this lot goes with this. These people do not have a lot across the street. This looks
like a double lot. For some reason, this one ended up cuz it used to be Where's the system? Right next door. That right front here sitting right there. And then I got a wall here. But your system now is like behind is like in your front yard, right? Whi which system?
Your your existing septic system? Septic? No, it's right next to the road. Right next to the road here with these people. So, it's going to be right there. Penders across the street. That's what you know because you should get the
system as far farthest away like Will is designing which I agree. Um their concern is they can't get a well truck down to where their well is. Yeah. I'm saying that's good. So that's why they thought they put the well where you can get a well truck. This is an open lot.
But that's where the septic should be. It's um and their lot is even harder than than this one if you can believe it. It's it's it's a drop. Um, and we have an acquaintance um, who used
to work for the DP. He looked at the plans for us to see if he had any issues. His question was, because this is a treatment system, does it require a groundwater discharge permit from the DP's Division of Water
Pollution Control to Ed the engineer? No, it doesn't. Um that's that's for something that with a much higher flow rate. This is um what 330 or was it uh it might 440 440 gallons per day which is a pretty which is what they're using now. So
there's no increase in flow to what they're doing now. I think it's over 10 well over 10,000 a day, right? Yeah, it's over 10. Yeah, it's it's a lot larger and and they do for something like that you do have to do a much um higher level
of treatment and like I said they are doing pretty good treatment here for for a residential system. So that's I don't know somebody needs to start a company with with a you know a floating drill rig and come in and do all the the wells on the pond on the shoreline for
everybody. Ed was saying we I mean I've seen drills on tracks. I just don't know if they drill. I mean I've seen geotechnical stuff too. Am I Yeah, they do. They use them a lot for blasting like they they just crawl up a ledge and start drilling into the ledge and blast it.
So there are different companies out there. Um New England Mass Geotechnical. There's a couple places I've seen. I know there's one company I know they do a wells. Oh, really? Different requirements than drinking water wells. So that's why it's a little
bit easier. They don't charge the same as uh but are they big drilling rigs or small mobile? They do. They have both and they can get down rich small rig and then they have a a mobile rig like that too. So there's I mean with the plan we have without piece milling it all together. I
can't tell swing radiuses to to see where they could have a well or how if they could even still get one over here. I mean because we can give you a variance down to 50 feet to put it well. Like the earlier one on the agenda we had to give variances. It was 75 ft 80
ft. So we can grant down to 50. Try not to at all costs. I mean so we are allowed to grant a variance. Now would it have to be an artisian well or we do have a rag that we don't allow
point wells anymore. Correct. But yeah, you don't you don't actually have to drill into ledge though. You can get a like um a smaller machine that can just drill through soil because I think ledge is you could go a good 40 50 ft before you hit the ledge. So you can get I mean I think right now it's only 15
ft. So any any increase and also they could case it as well would be a huge improvement. Um so you don't actually have to go drill into ledge. There's nothing that says that, but like I said, the old point well, no, you're not
allowed. But you do have small drilling rigs that can go another 40 ft. But the point well is just a a local rag. It's not a state. They still allow points for state drinking water. Um, you can still do them. Point the definition of a point. Well, you're basically just hammering it in.
Yeah. Whereas, you know, if you're drilling down and you're like I said, you're not required to go into the ledge. you can just go into the overburden and still be a legitimate well and a legal well. So you don't have to do that. You don't do p point because most of those are only
like 15 20 feet because after a certain point you just can't hammer anymore. Um but if you're auguring or something like that where you're removing the soil you can usually go a little deeper. Jim Nood used to do a lot of those. He used to put a screen at the bottom of them or something when he didn't hit them. Yeah.
I don't know. So it's I mean I Do you guys own two lots across the street or just the one? Two 25 foot wide w lots. So it's two cuz I see Sarah's name on one. Is it they both? That's the stats.
She's our daughter. She I know. My sister went to school there. Oh, really? Yeah. Um Amy. Okay. I think she probably played softball way back. So going back to their well situation, I mean, so there's no way you
can get a well truck or anything by your house down that embankment. Not to the pawn side. There's no way approach it. But possible cuz to even come up now when you come up the hill, you're going to run into the septic even you're going to be within 50
ft of that neighbor in the middle. There's no getting away from that. Part of the reason I asked if it was the two lots that gives you a little bit more space like you get space like this now as opposed to just the skinny lot. Right. So maybe there's a little bit when you start playing around with circles and and swing ties. Maybe there
is a little bit more play somehow to get the system further away and maybe move. But didn't you say there's another septic out back here and up on this hill already? Yeah. So, um, just east of Hackit, there's a system as well as well. Then there's another system,
um, west of Hackit, right? Um, 123 has a system west of Hackit and 120 119 has a system east of Hackit. So, you're really in there. It's it's a tight tight thing. And anyone that's been redoing them that has a lot on the
other side, they've been putting them to the back of the ship and most feasible compliance for a title five. Is there they do their system in the front? Yeah, you're really going to have to get it all surveyed when it's time to do it. Um, and then you'll get a better idea.
Like it's very possible you will have to type get 100. Maybe they'll get 50 though. And as far as this system, way it's proposed, there's nowhere else they can they can even put this. Yeah. And and like I said, it is
it is a positive to most people in the neighborhood. Unfortunately, it is a negative to to them, but you know, it does help out um the majority of the people in the neighborhood. From a from a health standpoint, you are improving the well quality for the rest of the neighborhood. And you're improving the well quality for them, too. It's just
going to deny them a spot to do it. But like I said, there are um but it's also, you know, not as far as your well, but I don't know if your septic is one of the originals. If yours is close to failure, I mean, you have a spot to put it right up next to this
one. To me, most compliant where it should be near these others that are going to the back property and somehow it's just a lot that lot in the middle. that doesn't have a place across the street that's really hampering everything that
there's you're just sandwiched to where the well is. Yes. The their current system it's better than here. It's not just a cess poolool. They do have a septic tank pump chamber and they're pumping it up to a pit which is right by Hackadav. So it's it's an improvement on what the neighbor
has but it's still um it's still a pit. It's still a pit that's in you know. Yeah. the wall at 28 in. Yeah. So, as far as seeing where you could do it, it's the most feasible spot for this house to put it, right?
There's no nowhere else they can really put it, right? Um, again, it could give you a variance to see where you could get a well at the time. you know, you'd have to map out all the septics and have a plan drawn to
see where you could put it down to 50 feet as bare minimum. Um I don't we can't do that process first. Probably not. I don't think it works that way. Ed, I don't
What do you want? You want to get Well, they're already No. Um can we look into it? Can we look into is there another possible place to put a Yeah, you would have to you would have to get what they were talking about. Get
all your neighbors septics located first and then the person or the engineer could find the best available spot. So, we hire an engineer. Yeah, you you would have to do that first before we because we're just kind of guessing now and scaling. It's not the most accurate. You'd probably want to do that if you're thinking about
replacing the well too anyway, just for property line issues and stuff to make sure those setbacks are met too. So, well, I think that's mainly what you're concerned about right now is your well, not your septic. I mean, even though you're going to need a new septic, it's obviously in our discussions title five,
but Ed seems to think our septic system will fail. If we tried to sell the house, it would fail. So, we probably we're thinking we should get the septic system moved also. Yeah. And improved
cuz then it gives you a little more room to put your well on your lot cuz your septic's now at least across the street up here, right? And now you just have to confront with one neighbor septic that one in the middle and try to get as far as you can. And obviously to if you did a septic,
you're going to be in the same boat area. You're going to have to get tanks down near your house. You're going to get pump tanks. You're going to have to We have We have tanks. Yeah. They're They're not quite as bad. Um as in it's not coming out like you could hook into their existing septic tank. You wouldn't have to go all the
way to like where they're going down there. They have a newer system. It's not old old. Yeah. They have they have a septic tank pump chamber and then a pit going up. So it's not it's not accessible. So they if you put the old tank where the new tank is, I mean the new tank where the old
tank is. Um I mean someone got an old tank down there. I'm assuming you can get a new take in there, too. Um, okay. But that's something, you know, you could have a title five done. It's a lot of money, but they would tell you if
your system's working and try to determine the groundwater and then you know if your subject titles are. Um, but if you know if you have one done, they have they're obligated to turn and report it to us. So we would know that your systems failed
and you know notify us that and you know there's an engineer that's already been in your neighborhood and done perk tests and done survey work and all kinds of other stuff that you can might make things a little bit smoother and easier too. I've got one further question.
Plans are wonderful. They work perfect on paper. Um, you'd be amazed at the size of the boulders that are going to come out of that property.
And I know that ZCE is not going to be doing the construction. Somebody else is. And we'll be living there day by day. If we see something that is a problem to us, do we come to
board of health? call. I'll run right over and I'll come out. You call Lakeville Health. Yep. If you have any anything that you think is should be questioned, I I can give you our number before you leave. Ed will come out and, you know, if they're filling the ditch with dirt and
they're pumping water down, but but it would if we lived in a perfect the authority D gives us is to make the best possible situation on the property. Um, and there's a lot of times there's
no good one, but there's some better than not. This is way better than what's there. Um, it's a good system. Um, because if we don't, then the town going to go around and start condemning houses and cuz you can't stay there without a septic system. The town has no money to
do that. So, so we're tasked with that's why D doesn't get involved. They, you know, all the easy stuff they keep and all the hard stuff they leave up to us. But um but that's the only other option now knowing the septic was failed. If we don't find a way, which this is in my
opinion the best possible way they could do it, then they got to have the house condemned and the town has to pay for it. And um right now this again this is, you know, we're taking a really bad situation and making it a lot better.
Even though again, I was an installer for years and I wouldn't even bid on this job. This is going to be a lot of work for whoever does this job. Um, but it's going to be at the end of the day, it's going to be way better. But I am going to want that tank moved so we don't disrupt the soil low between the properties.
And the only other thing, um, I don't know if you notice that condition of that upper wall right at the edge of the road. Um, it's already I think it's just blocks the way it looked like cinder blocks just stacked there. Um, I'm pretty sure that wall is going to get
totally damaged. Yeah. End to end. I mean, yeah, they're going to have to dig a little pavement. I believe it's almost right to that wall. Am I correct? Um, I think it's something you're going to have to look into. Well, um, it's already leaning. I mean, you're going to have to back. You're going to have to get a machine over the wall to
start with. You're going to have to fill the wall to get a crane truck under them wires. Um, and I think the wall is just going to collapse. Yeah. I don't even think it's going to hold to get over it to do the job. I agree. um it's not shown on here to redo that
wall. Maybe just note to Yeah. Um wall to be reconstructed, something like that. I don't see how you're not going to damage it. And the road's in pretty good condition, too. It's It's a tough tough job. It's I think the wire is going to have to come off the house. There's no
way you're going to swing a machine when the wire is there. But you can't take down the road wires, so you have to deal with them. The trees the two trees in the front yard have to go. The walkway has to go. Yep. Everything Everything has to go. The amount of dirt you have to haul out to
dig that tank hole where you have nowhere to put the dirt and get all that dirt out. It's a major I can be thankful for the storms in 2010 because we would have not had the presby
system and the current the board of health chairman when I told him our problem. He knew my father. He said, "I know that system. It's failed." And it had badly. Yeah.
Who that? So, $130,000 later, we now have a fully compliant system. Good system. So, I'm happy
that that property will have a good system, assuming that it can be done without damaging other things around it. Um, so who was the chairman back then? Bill Garvey. Pardon? Who was the chairman back then? Bill Garvey.
Who built it? Who was the chairman of the of the think of his name right at the moment? Bill Garvey. Oh, yes. Absolutely. He trained me. He was he was the chair when I got on. I was the young I was the young guy on
the board when I got on 15 years ago. And he was the old guy with some knowledge. So that went by really fast to become the old guy on the board, I'll tell you. And I was actually appointed to his position when he left his terms when he left 13 years ago.
All right. Um, so other than the swale and making some kind of note about moving the tank and making some kind of note about that wall being reconstructed, I don't know what else we can add to it. Do we have a feeling? The only thing I'm still Larry is if that pipe can come out the front.
Yeah. I I just This is just a It's a brutal. Yeah. I mean, they're just paper stones. They want the pipe to Is it paper stones? It's an old pattern.
Yeah. No, definitely. It's not an easy one. You're not going to be able to pop over next to damage to come out. But it's worth looking at, Ed. It was just the whether you can get into the crawl space
actually. See if it can be repl come out the front. Raise it as high as possibly. Yeah. I mean, you're going to have to like you said, you want the tank moved, right? So, you're going to do revision anyways? Yeah. Before you do that, can can you send someone out there to just um at least
take some pictures to say, "Okay, you know, this is why we can't do it." Um and then once you know, if it's clear, if it's only whatever eight or nine inches, then and not doable, then we can say, "Okay, it's not doable." But at least we looked into especially where the butter is very concerned about the
swale and the water running down and and it might actually end up cheaper to refl to come out the front and honestly trying to do the cost and however you're going to get down that side is no and at the end of the day like I think you could maybe shift the pipe too
on coming up to the side and turn the tank this way perpendicular to where it is now and slide it over and then come up the side of the tank into the pump chamber. The problem is then you're getting deeper cuz you're working your way up hill. That hill comes up steep. It really you want the tanks parallel with the
contours. Yeah. That that wall that you're talking about at the edge of the road is the edge of the ride away. So they may have to lose because the telephone pole Yeah. that sits on the edge of that wall.
Yeah. Is in the in the right way. Correct. So, so I don't know if it's something they in a hurry to do this. Do you need an approval tonight? Are they if we continue it till we get a couple of things? Um,
just to see. I'm just something that could be conditioned um based off us looking at the plumbing. Um, and then obviously we would love to make it easier for everyone to you. you can approve the waiverss they're asking
for and then um you know later I'll approve the plan you know based on your recommendations. Um but like I said I don't think does anyone have a problem with the waiverss they're asking for like right now but um again I just want
like if you guys look you go whoever make sure it really can't go out the front and then I either way if either way I want that tank moved. So every waiver except for the um the the one to the property line. Yeah. So just don't don't approve that waiver, but you can
approve the others. So which number is the one for the the tank to your property line? They want that moved further away. Is that the first one? It's only 4 ft. Is that the first one? Yeah. Tank. Yeah. Yeah. 10 to five.
Yeah. Okay. Request number one. So we want that pushed to 10 ft. Yeah. I mean, can it get the whole 10? I mean, if it gets nine, I mean, you're 5.8 now, so it's just another four feet. 4 point something ft. Especially where
you're going to have such a big overdig for something that deep that tles. Oh, yeah. You have to pull sh in. I wouldn't do that without shifted. But to even get sh under them wires has to be big enough to lift the sh box
along. You have 8 ft between the two tags between the pump. Yeah. And you only have to move two. Yeah. There's a fence between you guys, right? So they really at least be hidden behind that. No, drainage zone is an issue. I don't
want to mess up the swale. And I think that should be in a motion that to make sure that that the swale is not filled or impacted to the right or the retaining wall up the road will need to be addressed if damaged at all or replaced during construction.
I I don't see how you're getting over without damaging it. I think it's next to impossible. Yeah, it's just going to fall over. It's just blocks. It's not going to hold a 20 ton machine. What what about putting another retaining wall um on the other side between the tanks and the um the
roadway? Correct. So that would that would also lessen the like like once you're building it that rather than putting the 6 ft of cover, you're putting 4 ft of cover and then you have a twoft retaining wall like right 2 ft off that tank and then you
come up rather than kind of cuz right now they have it kind of going gradually down. So just come up sharply right after that. That way you you lessen some of the um some of the depth over that. You could lower the grade over the tanks. Yeah.
Um but there's see there's actually a bunch of walls that other there's a fire pit that block is actually a brick fire pit I believe with a brick wall coming there. That's all of all a retainer wall. That low one closest to
the house, that's a made a big huge brick fire pit down low. So you could cut it down to 77. You can't get lower than 77 unless you rip out that whole wall in that fire pit. Okay. You'd have to eliminate that. Move that wall behind that wall and this all stone
patio. Now you're destroying everything. You destroying that whole yard. I think that was one reason that why they didn't want surprised the owner is not here because the fire pit is crumbling. So So I don't think they would mind
doing away with it. Well, it may get it may fall into the hole they're going to dig when they get that tank. Yeah. When you down, you know that for a fact? Well, no, I don't.
That's my other question. I mean, if they put in this septic system, it's all installed, and then they sell the home and the new owner wants to put in a foundation, is that possible with this septic system that you're putting in,
can a foundation be dug right next to the those tanks for what? What? for if they want the new owner who buys the home wants to build a you know tear down the houses there and put in a foundation
they should buy it as is and not do this repair yeah tear everything out and do brand new start straight from the start they would have to put in a foundation right because it just but then they could raise the plumbing yeah they could do a lot because then
the whole yard's getting tore up anyway and then there's a whole lot of options, you know, the new owner wants to tear down the house. No, I don't I don't even know if the So, it's it's the niece of the of the deceased who now owns the house,
right, who live she lives in Maine. She's told us she doesn't want to move back to Lakeville. So, we're guessing she's going to sell the house. So, it doesn't make sense to put this whole new
presby system in and then sell the house to who knows who. It's going to be someone with over a million dollars to buy the property, right? And yeah, they usually won't do the system until it's sold to. Well, more likely. I mean, although Oh, so once they get We didn't say we should do it now,
right? Yeah. they they can just get the system approved and then sell the house based on um once it's approved they can get an estimate um and then once the estimate that's how much they know to take off and that way the buyer can take
responsibility for the septic but it's good to know to have a price cuz right now the numbers are kind of pretty wild whereas if you have an approved plan you say okay it's going to be around this much. So just because they're approving it doesn't mean that they're going to install it right away.
I see. I don't know if that's the plan. Very expensive. You has a very good question there because who's going to rebuild a house on a crawl space, right?
No, you wouldn't be legal. Yeah, they can't do that. That's illegal. They have to tear the they'd have to go through the whole building permit, meet all the new construction codes and all that stuff. So, and then these tanks would probably come out because it would make them raise. You can't build too big. Just
because the new buyers there's now the 25% coverage requirement. Yeah. You couldn't go any bigger. They're so they couldn't go that big. Yeah. My neighbor on the other side has got
probably 80 to 90% coverage on the property, but that went in before coverage changed. Correct. Yeah. Just go up. No, but we can only look at what's ahead of us. We can't try to guess on what somebody might do someday.
Yes. Thank you, gentlemen, for taking our questions and answering. Well, I'll make a motion then that we do not approve the first request that they asked for the five foot reduction and
make that 10-ft reduction, but that we approve number two through number nine. And we also have a note that the swale is not to be impacted between the two homes. The drainage swale, the retaining
wall at the road will be replaced as needed if damaged during the construction. And that um we'll have to go and uh confirm that the plumbing cannot be moved before um the final permits issued.
Second. Any questions? All in favor? I I I. Thank you. Any questions? Please feel free to call Ed. Yeah, he's there full time every day. Yes.
Half a day on Friday. Thank you, Will. Have a great night. You too. Sorry. All right. Next on the agenda, 23 Rush Pond Road. meet with residents to discuss potential increase in flow at
property. So, I don't believe we have an engineer on this one. Talking to the homeowners or a plan, right? There's no plan. Discussion in advance. Discussion on what they're trying to do. My name's I
um just looking to add a twocar garage with a room above it. Um before I do an engineer and an architect, I'm just trying to get approvals first. make sure that I can do this before I spend all
kinds of money getting. Now, the two room above, is that more like a ADU accessory dwelling unit with a full kitchen? Full bathroom? No, we're intending on putting making it a bedroom with a bathroom. No kitchen, but it it'll be a full bath with a
shower and a tub and not a tub, just 3/4 bath, a shower, and a sink. I don't foresee a tub, right? No, I'm putting the top down. Just But it will be a bedroom. It's a
Yes. Yes. I do have the plans. Yeah, we have the plan here. No, he he he changed it. On the current plan that you you have, the house is totally wrong. Um so I've repositioned the house so you
can better Thank you. um see what we what I'm looking to do hoping to do. Okay. Um and you'll see that there's the layout of the house is correct on this drawing uh in accordance to the lot.
Okay. Um you'll see where the new driveway the current driveway is. And what I'm looking to do is extend off of the end of the house, put the two-car garage with the bedroom, and then the new driveway.
I did speak to Mr. Benise of the building department on the phone. He didn't seem to think it was uh I I think his name was Mr. Manise of the highway department. Oh, about the curb cut. Frank Monise. Yes. Yeah, that's about the curb cut. Yeah.
Yes, the curb cut. Yeah. And he didn't seem to think it was a problem. Again, this was just on the phone. Okay. Um, but that's the this this drawing is not really accurate to spec. Like where you see the tank right now, that tank is
really at the back of the house. Okay. The the whole This is the best I could do. The current drawing is just really So, this is an existing three-bedroom house. Yes. That's what's here now. So I I guess the only problem and you you want to keep
the house threebedroom and go to four. You don't want to you don't want to call it a threebedroom with a new bedroom above the garage is one of the bedrooms. Yeah. Just keep the existing three bedrooms. Whatever is exist. Okay. So technically when we add flow,
it's even though your house is already there, it's considered uh new construction because you're adding flow to the system. Um I understand that. Um I will have to replace the tank, do a whole new septic. I understand that.
I'm okay with that. I just want to make sure it's okay to do before I spend all this money on, you know, you know, that's understandable. So, it's good you came in and uh asked, right? Exploratory what we spend on.
So, the biggest problem I mean I I don't know if I need to get it clarified. Um so, you only have 30,000 square ft. Um we do have a local rag that you need to meet nitrogen loaning. Um so, you need a
treatment system to go to 40,000 because it's 110 gallons of flow per bedroom per day. So, you bring your flow to 440 gallons by adding that bedroom. So, you technically need 40,000 square feet of land to do that. Um,
on this one, we've run into, I guess, issues with this one from we've reached out to D before seeing this is considered new construction, even though you're just trying to add a bedroom. They've come back to us and said um when
you have wells in the surrounding area, you have to meet nitrogen loading under title five for new construction. Okay. Which you do not do. Well, by installing a new system. Okay. So, that is what I would think. I would
let Ed reach out talk on it also. Um, that was just my idea to see if we could get clarification from D. If we could allow you to add a bedroom scene, you're going to do a DIT system if that meets um
the D the D's Title 5 regulations of new construction of adding a bedroom. Would that meet? Yeah, I mean I can I can reach out to D to see if they u would enter. They do allow it under c certain conditions. Um,
and so I can give them these conditions and say, you know, is it allowable for us to grant a waiver um to do this if providing you do a denertification system and stuff like that? Because that's what they um they do have the regulation that says you can go from um
if you have a fourbedroom and go to a fivebedroom and you do a denertification, you're allowed to do it, but it doesn't say you can go from a three-bedroom to a fourbedroom. It sounds like kind of a technicality. Um, but we just want to make clarification because said it's not a local rag. It's
a state regulation. So, we don't want to be granting something that we're not allowed to grant. Right. That's fine. Like I said, it's I just want to make sure dot my eyes, cross my tea, right? And I, you know, I mean, I if they're I'm for allowing you to do it,
but it's we can't supersede Title 5 and D, right? Yeah. And if they say no, it is what it is. If they if they say okay, I'm okay with it, too. I mean, you'd have to do the DNight and everything, but I'd be okay with it. I do have a question. In your previous
conversation, the DNight system, it has the airflow going in, and then I was under the assumption that the outflow was going to be in the field, but it sounded like it's right next to where the pump is. There's different kinds of systems. I'm sorry. There's different kinds of denitrification systems.
Oh, okay. Where the where the air is, you mean? where the air is coming out of the blower or where the So you have the air going in. Yes. Where is the pipe that the air comes out? So it's right next to the blower. You back feed it in the same trench where the blower pipe goes and it it
circulates right around a circle. So it sucks in from the bottom through the tank and it goes back. There is Yeah, there's also a vent on your field a lot of times, but Oh. Oh, okay. So this one will have that was a presby system. So those are them
funny looking vents you see around that are up to the sky. They have to have 10 foot separation between the low vent and the high vent. So you see a vent at 3 ft and you see a a wooden 14 ft 4x4 sticking in the air with another pipe 10 ft higher. If they're lucky they can stick it next to a tree and you kind of hide it.
So that's like secondary treatment. So that's they got a treatment in the tank the DNI and then they use a presby system which is another type of a treatment system that's approved by DP that that's supposed to have air flow by
itself from the elevation change. It's supposed to suck in go through all the pipes and come back out on its own without a blower. Okay. And create air into the system to make the bacteria grow in the pipes. Yeah. I mean, I I whatever it takes, you
know, it it doesn't matter to me. Um I just if if they approve it, let's say it sends the email and D approves it, what would be the next step? I would have to get um an engineer and an architect to drawings and then bring it to do a perk test.
Okay. All right. And you know, you'd have to do the D9 because you don't need nitrogen loading under our local regs. So, you'd need to dite. Um that's right. and then you could approve it. And and again, they they do have ADUs. If you're familiar with the
accessory dwelling units, yeah, I read a little bit about that. They allow. So, I mean, if the DP let you put in this, it'd only be a onebedroom, but you could technically put a kitchen up there and make this a legal apartment. It's it's now allowed.
Um, just just so you know, you don't if you if you're going through all that money, you you can Yeah. um make an apartment. You might want to think about it because it'll add value someday. Just have it rough. Don't install it. Just have it rough.
Or if she kicks me out, I can go and we all need a place. Um so I think Ed, unless Chris doesn't agree, knows where we're leaning. So if he calls them and they're okay with it, I think he could start giving you the
direction of where to go next. Okay. Yeah, I'm fine that because I mean depending on what they find and all the other stuff when they get an engineer and perks and all that stuff, they may still have to come back to us with something else. I mean, we're not approving anything now. We need a plan to get approved, but like they just wanted to know, should they
hire an engineer? Right. Now, should we continue this just so we if we get an answer, we can announce it on camera to anybody watching this or we'll just make an announcement if we get an answer and just let them know. But like I said, we're not we can't approve anything or deny anything today.
It's just a discussion. So until we get a plan, we can't approve or deny. So this there's really no reason to we starting all over again to come back with a plan. Yeah. So that we can So if the D approves it, I'll I'll get the architect, the engineer, and get
plans and stuff. We we only honestly care about the septic design and all that stuff, which you'd want to do that first to make sure you can do it. You'd want to get out there and do your perk chest. Um, and then spend the money on the architect drawings because if all of a sudden you have terrible perks out there and you
can't increase your flow, then you spend all that money on an architect for nothing. Okay. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, good point. No problem. Good point. I'm the old guy on the board now. I know that. Plus, you mean you get the wells, you don't know where everyone's wells are going to be situated, and that can
affect where the systems go and like we just went through with all the other stuff. But I don't think we're in that position anyway. Well, you get a little bit more space, but you got your store smaller lots than most standard lots in town. So, yeah, cuz where where he was coming from, it's considered new construction.
So, you have to fully comply with Title 5. We can't give you variances. No, no, that's fine. I'm and allow you to increase flow, whatever, whatever you guys tell me. as long as you fine meet it's a you know and there are tight lots out there so you got to make sure you can get setbacks from everything
line neighbors well wetlands um and it fits but I mean start with the call and then just go dig a couple holes and see what you get out there and whatever engineer you hire will be able to just give you a ballpark like yeah I can make this work or you know we need to spend some more
money on this. Okay. Okay. And it could take the DP isn't the fastest way. Oh, I I'm in absolutely no rush. Absolutely no rush. I went for this hour. If you get it back within a month would be excellent. That's emailing them three
times probably. Yeah, I'm in I'm in fine. Um at least it'll clarify if if it meets their criteria. Okay, sounds good. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everyone. Have a good night. Feel free to call back the office to Dr.
Ed if you don't hear anything and you get nervous. just okay. They'll let you know where the update is. We won't discuss it on camera again at the meetings. Okay. Thank you. I'll let you guys know the outcome of a email though. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Next on the agenda, review and approve meeting minutes from May 7th, 2025. You guys agree with them? Um, yes. Absent. I was absent at this one. Yeah, it was actually just me and you. So that's why I did not read this one.
Then I'll make a motion that we approve the May 7th, 2025 meeting minutes as typed. Second. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I abstain. Next on the agenda,
discuss designated member to serve on Zebra. Did everybody get the email from Ed on that one? Um they're reaching out. they want a member to be on the ZBR. I just like to throw out I did that for years until they disbanded it and and I used to actually have a lot of input to
put in on that. So I'd like to do it again unless somebody else wants to do it. I second that. I third that cuz you're already on. I'm uh I forgot to mention the last one. I was they sent my name in. And I think I talked to you
one, Bob, to the um the old it's a town town hall reuse committee. Reuse committee. They wanted a member on that. Not so folk. So I'm on they're looking to reuse the fire department when the fire department moves out of the town hall and what they
can do with the space and the flow and cuz that is in a zone A and it's it's a tough location to to do there. So I want that for me. And you had turn the main building into a museum and then move everyone downstairs. Yeah. And you were on the MBTA though
MT. Is that over or is that was just a one? So far it's just a one thing. So it's going to be more, but you'll still It's going to be a lot more. Do you think they're going to include us in anything they decide? They just wanted money from us
realistically. Yeah. Which is funny, right? The state's asking if they wanted money from us. All right. All right. So, this one we should probably make a motion to appoint Bob Hawluchcci to the I'll make a motion we appoint Bob Hawluchcci as our board of health designated member for the Zebra
committee. Second Tom Rios. Sorry, I interrupted you before. Second. Any discussion? I can't vote for myself. I said all in favor I abstain.
Okay. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt you, but um I was saying if you did that, do you also want to do the town hall reuse just to make it official? Yeah, cuz we didn't vote on it. That's going to be an official committee, right? Cuz yeah, the one I'm doing was just I was just showing up. It wasn't like a committee.
This was an official committee for meeting. Yeah, the town hall is an official committee. So if if we since we're doing sent my name over it just in case there's a meeting coming up but if we want to make a motion to go I'll make a motion that we nominate Derek Maxman to be our designate for the
Lakeville Town Hall new development reuse committee reuse committee I'll second that. Any discussion? All those in favor? I abstain. Okay. Um pending items discuss what held
ed. Any pending items? Anything on mosquitoes, co? Yeah, I saw West Nile. West Nile. What's that? Saw West Nile test positive in the Besp. Yeah. So, there are definitely um a lot of West Nile testing in mosquitoes. I
think we got up to 94 now. Uh kind of all over. Uh we have seven triple E mosquito samples. We don't have any human cases of triple E or West Nile at this point. So, that's good. Um but yeah, we just um the triple E the seven
triple E's um the closest ones are Bridgewater, Rainium, and Halifax. So they are in the area. You know, the first one was in Belchure Town, so that wasn't really an issue for us, but now the the last few have been in the area. So it's just a it's a concern. Lakeville
is still low, but like um the towns I mentioned as well as Mboro is considered a moderate risk now. So the risk is increasing. The the end of August beginning of September is the worst time for triple E and we're coming up on that fast. So just um um just be aware.
But it's good that we didn't have too many positive samples this far into the year. That's better than the last two years. Yeah. Well, definitely. We're doing a lot better than last year. Last year we had over a dozen at this point. So now we're we're down around seven. So it's um we have some, but it's it's better than like what Chris said about the last two.
No, they still doing the spring. Are they still allowing people to call in and go on the website and get spraying? Yep. Plymouth County Mosquito Control still does spraying. You can um you can go on our website to to get their contact information or just call our office and we can um we can give you
their contact. The the town itself, we do sprayings. Sorry, we don't do the sprayings. We request sprayings from Plymouth County Mosquito um control probably about every two weeks. We we request a spraying and they spray the parks and things like that. Um and by
doing it every two weeks, we're maxing out. I think we're allowed eight sprayings and basically I spaced it out two weeks. So we're getting the maximum amount of sprayings and people can do that at their home. Are they doing John Pond too? Yep. Okay, good. Anything else?
Anything else discuss? Anything else? No, that's it for me. That's okay. Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi.