[Music] good evening it's Wednesday February 19th 2025 at 6 p.m. calling the Lakeville Board of Health meeting to order is there anyone recording this in the audience I see no one Lake cam is
recording this first on the agenda two Janine Street meet with cenith Consulting Engineers to discuss requested local upgrade approvals see will coming up turn her over to you
will um will Connelly Zenith Consulting Engineers for the record um the site is to Janine Street um just some background and Mr Colin might be able to speak um better to this than I can but um this existing
system passed a Title 5 inspection um and I believe the well just barely fil faed um so instead of proposing an entire new system we're proposing a tank replacement um which will be a micro
fast um and given the constraints on the site we have to request a couple local upgrades um we requesting a reduction um between the foundation and
the tank um from 10 ft to 4T um there's an existing slab here kind of in the same area as the existing tank um in a shed right back here which kind of pins us um so there's really only one
spot for it to go um we're also requesting a reduction between the tributary to a surface water supply in the tank um from 200 ft to 175 ft there's a tributary across the street over
here um which were within the 200t um so it's pretty straightforward um if there's question have a copy of that title five I don't believe I have one with me I know we have it on in our
files email to you right now oh cool okay and that well is a show well I believe Ed thought um it's not a deep well um I'm not sure off the top of my head if that's yeah I I was I was told
it was a shallow but I I can't confirm it but we have nothing in shallow well it's a 60ft well it's a hybrid where it pushes water down to put water up all right um just state your name uh just for the record pierce the homeowner of T
all right you you can sit up here and talk on the microphone in want to speak all right thank you um so the nitrates were over five but under 10 I believe in the 5.12 okay so that triggers this um and also when we're dealing with a well
when it's triggered I believe per DP that has to get tested yearly now until it drops below five um just to make sure it doesn't go above 10 if it goes above 10 you need to put at a filter system um but I believe
is that correct where you research that exactly how you said it um so we're going to have to have that somewhere stated in writing so I don't know if you're selling this or what whatever is going on that the new buyer understands that the well the board P will be sending him a letter stating the your
needs to be tested there's also a maintenance contract with micro fast as well corre so there's a couple of things going on with that we've already got that discussion started with the uh buyer yes okay um this is um just in inside the Zone a where the tank [Applause]
is um so on the title five I'd asked it um in our RS per Title Five were supposed to be notified is it 24 hours or 48 Hours 24 hours in advance before an inspector
does a Title 5 um because we have the right to come out and witness the title five okay a lot of inspectors have not been doing that um this one did not do it um um was Bay State it's something we're probably going to send a letter out to some of the
inspectors on this one though um uh had I gone out there I'd probably I mean well assuming that I went with agreed with him it would have passed on on observation of the actual system it failed when you get the water test a
week later okay so you know I think that's what so when you're looking at a debuck you're looking at the tank those things passed but said if it is contaminating a well DP makes it very clear that you're supposed to fail that system because that's the whole point of failing systems to prevent contamination
of Wells not to prevent backups it's it's also to prevent contamination of Wells okay so they turned in a past Title Five and didn't pick up on this well right and you picked up well they they didn't um they didn't have the water test when they did the thing too okay so he did it and then he got the water test later and then when the water
test came back I said hey you know you got failed and then he he did down you're supposed to change it didn't re redo it but he never he hasn't done that yet okay I know um I think we had a stipulation now too we usually don't even take title fives without the water test attached to it cuz people weren't
doing them I I think that was in a ined CH the the second one where revised it I don't know that there was a second one I thought that it was sent over once the wall water test was was received because uh B State wouldn't forward it without the water test they
waited for the water test and they sent it into the Board of Health for the with the additional pass to be reviewed and approved when I got it but usually when he does it when he's out there in the field he's either going pass or fail and he and he did pass and then you know whenever the water test usually come
later that's the conditional pass and it didn't pass the conditional pass but no it did pass the conditional pass it failed the water p uh the water test that's what failed the that that's the I can forward the the title five to anyone if you like a copy of it so the
conditional path is this passes if the water test passes correct and the water test didn't pass correct it failed for nitrites by 12 ten of 12 so that parts per million 12 hundreds which makes it a failure for your
definition per per the states for the red yeah um so on that I mean so this was a unique one like I said normally when you get a failure you we upgrade the whole system so we very rarely this comes in front of us to
approve just to put in the treatment tank and leave a system that's 22 years old 23 years old it said 2003 it was put in um and we didn't witness the title five they didn't call us like they
should have um not that again we don't witness hardly any of them I think unless it there's a question but we're supposed to be notified have the option of going out there to do it so I don't have to go up for everyone um and the only other
stipulation I see on it now I I got the original design plan from Grant howorth in 2003 says this was designed for a three-bedroom house um so technically this system is a three-bedroom that's on
file and I know where you're in a Zone a this is only calling for a two-bedroom up here so that's a discrepancy um the home is a two bedroom it is but you could an improved plan for a three Roger
so I'm leaning more towards it's a three okay um I can see what Ed and if it's approved enough fold there is a three that's pre pre-existing non-conforming there's another sheet in there that has the three-bedroom line through and two bedroom written in red I don't know if
that's the accepted sheet or not but in the uh the record blueprint the older ones there from yeah there's a second one I believe it's the fer just to clarify that before we approve a three bedroom it does say no increase in flow on it but this is a three
bedroom it's in front of me I mean because it makes a difference you can never go back if because you're go into a two-bedroom you're never going back to a three in a z a yeah this is um that proposed to r v it is a proposed
but l of comments Larry says SAS should be reduced so maybe they reded and that's why they went with it two in the end but Board of Health voted approved as drawn agents
comments overridden is that what it says he's saying it's an existing two bedroom there how you doing the house is two better that's clear but they did design it for three I see you say so where are we on approving this
one any ideas I mean you can approve it I mean I approve but I mean if the board over oh that one overridden and I mean we going to let this go as a three bedroom where it was designed as a three cuz that way I mean
if you do they could add a bedroom in the future if not they're locked in they can't do anything you know what I'm saying I don't want to okay normally we don't we don't allow increase in flow but um they have it turned in asilt so I wonder if they ever even got a
compliance on it we don't have an as built in the folder no no do you know if uh certificate was issued oh yeah this is what he's talking about this
one so we cross out two on Road 220 okay and it says two bedroom but that's still 333 though the design but they and they crossed it out
here so I would have to say Larry did that on his own this was back in Larry days was Larry signature anywhere on there it's through all of them so that would have been um saying that sry yeah so even though the board
over says in this note agent's comments overridden it says right on it m um but he crossed out and went 220 I I think maybe what they may overridden was Larry says it should be reduced because it was a bigger field and they
would have had a smaller setback I think that's what he was arguing over he used to like to go if it's 220 he wanted 220 230 put in and not a three yeah I I don't understand that I mean I can see putting D restrictions on it but to make someone force them to put in a smaller
field when a larger field will last longer and actually distribute it over a large area doesn't make a lot of sense to me so um okay well um I mean preferably I would like to go with keeping it at two bedroom if you ever okay with that just
cuz you get a well 60 ft from it even though we're doing a d night um oh here here's in the approval a deed restriction must be recorded with the Plymouth County Registry Deeds stating this property will remain a two-bedroom dwelling with no further
expansion no increase in flow to the septic system system a stamp copy of the recorded deed restriction must be submitted to the Board of Health before a septic permit will be issued to the license install Okay so that CL do your
current deed have that no let me see if we ever got that so we're going to have to do like a deed restriction anyway for this dite and that will be stipulated in the D does copy of the D struction right in it you have a reference for that
a plan reference or a recording reference yeah um 23767 do you have it will uh no November 5th 2023 is there a book and Page reference
26967 back then might from your regular deed I that's why I'm wondering I'll need to get a copy that I actually don't have a pen handy just at the moment that was what 03 03 before all our time we have the copy of it being stamped in and everything so okay so that clarifies
that question was sticking it's a two-bedroom yeah Larry can give you a copy tomorrow thank you sir Larry I get Larry in the brain talking about over here he's in St that is Ed all right the only other he wanted to
know we got a West back then too I'm just trying to see what it was last yeah I don't see anything else that was like my own [Music] question oh even in 2003 this uh for political balance this
water does not meet the maximum contaminant level required so so that was I'm looking at the grades around it I mean I'm not convinced it's just their system right is it not a Legion Fields
probably just 100 if that's 60 oh that was only one page on that one 60 must 8is that's bottom of the hill though so the whole hill runs down you look at the goes up down the so Hill as Wells toward the bottom right
mhm yeah so it gets the whole hill whole Hills coming my way cranberry acoss the way that's kicking in that Wetland I know the neighborhood well when I first looked at the um but the bog is artificially high it's probably about 3 or 4 ft higher
than the pond so it can go North to the bog which is 3 four water table 3 or 4 ft higher or it can go east to the pond which has a lower I actually believe it's going east which would be right in the direction so even though the run off from the hill is going north the under
the ground is going the other way toward that's a pretty good sand out there I don't think it's actually following the slope I think it's dry and then when it hits the water table it's going to the lower water table and the lower water table is to the pond so I actually believe it's flowing towards the pond to
the west of the high point through the subdivision though it's to the west of the high point through the subdivision though it would make more sense that it would be going towards the bomb no talking about the soil though it's sandy soil so everything doesn't run with the grade it goes straight down all right we
have borings all the way through there and everything like that I mean speculation right no no it's sand we have a lot of T I mean we we've seen a lot of sure septics through out there it's it's sand so but yeah there's a higher water table out there you know you're close to the bog and stuff and
you get different times of the year Rises I think they call almost the bog the water table so it shows 13 ft to water cuz Larry questioned why there wasn't a water table called out or even your own soil logs calling
it down to 92 sand and then Sandy loow that that doesn't really matter doesn't really affect you so that was all my questions I guess I'm good with the D you going to D night
cuz you're only a 10,000 ft lot um and two bedroom you need 20 and you're 60 ft to the well that's triggering the contamination and testing yearly till it's below five you have any other no the dite system with the dite and the two-bedroom
D restriction it's already there but we should just make sure it's we get a copy of the recording but so we should be fine with that but we can I just think part of the motion that we um it continues a two bedroom I believe in the existing field
which is a i' would say verify that that the booking page and probably put it if it's there then reference it on the main deed so then it carries forward that way um but yeah I was fine especially upgrading to the D9 so it is what it is Ed is that something
You' think you'd want to look into the dbox at all to verify anything at the tank installation are we good with going with the title it has a passing title five so I mean I don't question every uh Title Five if they say you know they inspect to the debucks they kind of have
to take their word out them like said so I I it was done by base dat and they're they're pretty reliable so I do believe that um the debuck was was passing and you live there currently there's people living there time of title it hasn't been occupied since it was listed actually a month before that when was it
listed uh November when was the title 5 done uh November so you were living there when the title 5 was getting normally use daily use it had been fairly I was moving out during that week or two before but yes yes I was in
and out of there and using facilities that that's but up until that it was currently lived in for years prior yes it wasn't hadn't been vacant or a part-time home or anything like that okay and do you have anything else on it
no I I tell if I passed I guess gu and they put in a treatment tank yeah that's all we have them do anyway let going to gight I'm okay with it if you guys are I'm okay with it anybody got a comment in the audience okay I'll make a motion
we approve the two local up raid request for two Janine Street um with the uh addition of that we confirm the two-bedroom deed restriction is in place and if not it we have one and it will stay in
place and note the well testing yearly oh yeah the yearly well test it's below five well testing all I'll second that any discussion all those in favor I I
I thank you thank all right next on the agenda one Bailey's way meet with a Zenith Consulting engineer to discuss requested local upgrade approvals no I called will over to you
again Consulting Engineers um site is one Bailey's way is an existing two-bedroom dwelling with a um failed assess pool on site which is located just in front of the the house in here um it's bordered by LOM Pond uh to the
north which is a tributary to a water supply um we're proposing a 1500g micro fast tank um and a 15x20 stone and pipe leeching field um we're
requesting a reduction in the setback between the leeching field and um the well on the Locust property um from 100 ft to 80 ft um reduction between the leeching field and the tributary to the surface water supply
from 200 ft to 125 ft reduction between the septic tank and the tributary um from 200 to 100 ft and then an increase in the maximum depth over the system from 3 to 4
feet um we essentially pinned the leeching field the only spot we could where we're um only affecting the well on our property um while keeping it as far away from Mar well as possible um we're also
pushing it as far away from that tributary as we can um and then the increase in depth is just to um so they don't require a pump in order to meet that requirement um it's all sand down to 10
ft with no water table um so if there's any questions I'd be Happ to answer them okay will um the well well results we have that deep well any
idea on the Seeing it's 80 ft away 81 well been tested or turned in sure CU this is is the whole lot in the zone a uh yeah the entire lot zone a
okay um we have testing from 81 um it's 285 fet deep so it's not a deep it's a deep well so it's a deep well okay um so obviously they have to do a water test do you know if they've done it yet well I do not know if they've
done it yet okay so you know have have to look into that just to make sure where it's under 100 ft um the your test pits you you have two test pit ones again I've seen that a couple
times obviously one's a one and a two but they're both ones um I see I don't usually see it in your plans very much here going with geotextile fabric
instead of pstone I know in 310 CMR 15247 aggregate they do allow Filter Fabric instead of pstone I'm teally really not a fan of it but it is in Title 5 yeah yeah um I think we've just
used them kind of interchangeably um you get the same thing do mine get a test pit two on it yeah he didn't label which one so you can't tell which hold which
and it has one and two on them yes downb and any idea how long you think that fabric think that Outlast the system that 2025 years fil the fabric will I have no idea I said it's in Title 5
I um so if it's in Title Five I can't really say you can't have it um the dbox it's calling for h10 um probably should be H20 ad just at 3 ft we asking the variance to full feet
over the field they don't have it over the septic tank but it looks like that 48 in variant you're going for over the field on um you just it 3 ft probably from the cover of that debuck to
99 yeah um and your maximum cover is probably around yeah what would be the same as the leeching field um yeah 9570 so you just over three yeah I think it especially with the DB
boxes haven't been holding up those h10 D boxes yeah it's something we could update just to be safe and uh you do have flow dividers on that was that a carryover from another plan um why are you calling for flow
dividers um I'm guessing that's just a carryover from A system that requires them um okay so those probably not needed if you I know in a Presby they you have to
have them but I'm not a fan of them yeah they wouldn't be required I guess for this situation no I don't think so they just make the hole smaller and this really um all right that question all right and then the last one
I guess get I'm okay are you asking for a reduction in the size field on this one um cuz if you look down on your print says 15x 20 up top says 20t distribution lines but if you go on your design
Cals it says soil absorption system provided use a 15x 30 and that just comes out to 298 Square ft which is the minimum of what you need why is there and the scale scales out to 20 on your
print CU I scale the actual stone it's 20 why does that say 30 yeah so we were supposed to be calling out the 50% reduction there it is allowed with the pest they just not calling it should be called out
on corly should be one of the variances calling for field reduction the design Cals have a typo so that should get added to the plan knowing that's a field well it says 15 by 30 is 300 ft 15 by 30 is 450t
right yeah so that's just a typo 15 by 20 is is um 300 300 so it's so that's just a typo so the typo is just on the plan view on the design C that's a typo so it is 20 is what we all right
yeah yeah in the design C it's a typo it's the the 30 is a typo the 300 is accurate it's a 15 by 20 it would be yeah so we weren't doing the reduction here so I guess it I probably should turn in a new plan then showing an H20
dbx then and fix that typo and the test pit numbers and the test pit numbers I think um test pit 2 is on the right because that's at elevation 98 whereas test pit one's at elevation 99 was a little higher yeah that would
typically be How We Do It um yeah we can certainly make those changes um and remove the uh while you're doing it over remove the um remove the what um B right yeah I
mean unless you want Flo ofus I mean if you want them I I don't see the need for them but you want them we would necessarily unless the dbox is totally out of level when they put it in they need to put them in but sometimes when the middle line
people have trouble getting it the right way the length of it shorter so it so you know I've gotten situations where that when the middle one's way up and I I may have put levels on after that but usually if it's right then I
know you know you know right but and that I no that circumstance is usually with Chambers where you have a t drop from the dbox to the chamber which is 3et in front of it being pipe and stone in this one okay they usually all level coming out and you just pick up the
half% okay over that 20 ft um other than that I don't see there's nowhere else to put the system um plenty of the water table I
don't have any other comments on that one I was just looking at raising the pipe and that's going to cause some grading issues probably with the walkway and stuff like that right maybe potentially for the to the tank we raise the pipe then we'd raise the tank oh
yeah you need like the foot and a half a cover over the tank to get that piping to work change the cover there as opposed to yeah and this is that top mount it's not an internal Mount so I'm way out of the ground I I think even I'm going to have a tough time getting that vent to back flow back at that grade but
you'll have to determine that at installation yeah that's it's really high out of the ground by the time you get that 3 in coming up and out of that plastic piece and I forgot to print my notes but that's everything you got everything that I
had um so we'll need a well test obviously um I don't see anything else on mine Ed did you have anything else on your notes on this one I did not is anyone to speak to this in the audience see no
one um but those changes I me too you can't put it anywhere else you can't put it anywhere else and there's no need of putting a pump in just cuz you're foot deeper on the ground I don't have a problem with that right it's vented so it's ADV treat so
it's yeah I don't know what else we can do all right Chris you can run this one out all right I make a motion we approve the subsurface SE Disposal system upgrade at one Bailey's way with the
four local upgrades that are printed and then adding wait we're not adding right or are we you going to add no we figured out the math was okay right it's just typo so we don't need to add the one right the size of the fields
the field side's correct so there's no reduction so there's no so we're not adding a fifth one so just the four local upgrades and then um new plans correcting all the typos and H20 D box and H20 dbx yeah second that any
discussion all those in favor I I I thanks well me to start paying attention before you send them in Jamie would have caught that next on the agenda 84 Taun Street meet with Outback engineering to discuss
local upgrade request see Jeff young here one of the the neighbors well on there okay handrew house okay here you go is that the only change just the
well yes we just added the well but we looking for one foot ruction oh yeah okay I on this is a previously approved plan and when the contractor was installing it and Ed
knows the story uh but they basically yeah when they took the other one out and then they exposed the pipe the pipe coming into the area from the house was 1T lower than planned and basically uh in order to
change that you'd have to uh you'd have to go tear down the stairs to correct it or and then you would have to bore a hole in the foundation but the foundation is Cobble
Stone it stones and uh so it it wouldn't be wouldn't be cost effective to do it that way and plus then the grading everything's at grade so we'd be creating drainage problems around the house and the
garage and the models where the water tables models and they dug down two I think a foot or two below it and they still didn't find any water so uh we're just asking for a reduction from 5T to
4T on this one Jeff I have so I don't know if it makes a difference on this one Ed um cuz they did State there there weren't any Wells Butters Wells within 150 this new wells at 102 102 um should
we have a lot of fect this letter at all they they gave to us to put in the file or should that get where is the letter say sorry uh just says granting this waiver will not have adverse impact as 100 ft setback have been maintained from
the existing well on the property and over 150 ft from all of buting Wells yeah okay2 yes cuz it wasn't shown on the existing plan I think you had picked up on that you looked at the plan and said do I mean the plan the plan says 100 um
there are no well than 100 which is correct okay I I missed I didn't read the letter but does that letter affect anything or just goes in the file um yeah it goes in the file um I mean I can cross it out put
100 just so it's known that up on it yeah and then um so what uh what was missed Jeff do do you have any idea did the they actually cuz there is
a on the first plan that was approved they did call the elevation coming out of the house was it just a m there they messed up it came out and all of a sudden when they went underneath the step yeah with the pipe yeah they lowered
it so when he dug it he exposed it the tie in what we where the area we were going to tie in and it found out it was a foot lower than what was necessary so technically the pipe coming out of the house is is right where it was supposed
to be so you wouldn't have to put a hole in the field stove Foundation or raise any of the plumbing if it's correct yeah the problem is out of the house yeah it's messed up it drops for some reason yeah but if you you you'd have to take
the uh stairs stairs and and it it would cause a tremendous problem in the okay but it it shows your you're replacing that pipe anyway is it on you or it looks like you're replacing it from the foundation I have an old plan maybe it's it's just this one says tie
into existing sewer pipe with an arrow right at the beginning of sess pool and what's the old show it shows it actually shows a clean out on the um on the building side this was the original uh those stairs uh
they brick or anything je what are they is it just wooden or is it brick or I think they're I anything I think I don't really know I didn't see the properties the
stu um yeah they did have a clean out all the way back on this one you correct so the original yeah I mean I see what they mean it's on top of the ground I mean I do get if they raising any then it will be it'll create grading
problem yeah kind of like I think we had one on keyth Street came in kind of the same and I think they put the same kind of thing on the letter but they had already passed one in and approved a plan and had it working with the grades
not with the water problem and then they came back and said there would be a water problem if it's a foot higher which just contradicts the plan we just had put in um I do agree this this one's 97 Outlet I mean the grade this one would have
been tough to do it you would have had a mound over this pipe even come out of the tank at 97 on this original design plan yeah it would have been a mound right through the yard like to 98 to get over that even 985 over that Pike so I I think lowering it
is um even though that pipe's lower is I know it says 4 ft to water it's 436 he's proposing on the new plan so even though given the waiver to four it's yes it's 4.36 is where they're
showing it you put M all the way out there more problems drainage and stuff would' be better off I think we just better off letting them do it that's what I'm thinking it's it's from Models anyway from the yeah and if you look at it's
weird out here too cuz normally you see uh the models different with the lower test pit compared to the high one but there's a 12in separation and the models are 12 in higher and the higher test pit that's 6 in higher which you very rarely see it's yeah usually doesn't do that um
you did have a C1 l that changed on that test fit I think is what changed that Sandy gravel I think it made the water come up higher you had a C2 layer compared to the C1 I think that's where it fluctuated why it let that water come up a little higher yeah Little Resistance um correct I think it was
better material so I think even though that's all less than two everything it's less than two out there so it all travels through it um I I don't think I have a said I think it's the L
retrieval 436 um I do them you do them you know it'll make a mess if we try to little Dam up water if we get a cover yeah this one Dam up water definitely the original with a clean up they had you said it was 98 97 coming out of
the tank was at 97 I mean the pipe was literally set on the ground so ch do you have any other no I mean what you going do and
it's less than me it's asking for a fo but it's less than a foot the only other thing I had actually had written down you do have 2% and 45 ft to the dbox I mean you can go to 1% I'm not a big fan of it uh cuz it can freeze at 1% I've
seen them freeze at 1% you can get 4 and 1/2 T right there almost 6 in especially that close to the ground but again you're going to be back close to yeah you right you're getting close to the freeze it's going to be in the 12in frost layer that we have right now so I I don't even I think I like the
2% of Debo just to get the water going quicker there and not freezing in the pipe m still I never go listen to any other comments on this one head no and you said you went out there any of you've already been out on this one yeah I did the open Hall and like the
the tank was in I thought they were all set and then um they came back with that like said they just and they hooked onto the pipe up near where the steps were they went back that far yeah they they actually just took the old um tank and just demolished it and hooked right in
there they didn't go back any yeah okay is there anyone to speak to this in the audience everyone good I'm no the other thing too is that field is also more it's oversized a little bit too
so there's more treatment area whatever anyway I'll make a motion we approve the local the one local upgrade request for 84 Taunton Street and um just asked that um he gives us a
new letter or just initials ED tonight before we leave uh changing that um that 150 from a button Wheels to 100 on this letter y just for the folder yeah just so it's
right I'll second that any discussion all those in favor I I I thank you guys thanks Jeff thanks Jeff just initial this one you won't have to do new letter just so we can throw it in the
folder I crossed out 150 and I put 100 well you stamped it so you want to go back and do new work yeah okay thank you sir thanks Che y thanks and Ed you're going to have to now we had a new plan with this you have to have deleted for another set void for
the second plan yeah but so I'll keep the ones that you guys have for the folder and I'll get rid of all the others yeah cuz he brought in new ones with a well on it that be the ones we give out to the installer this is window that's the good one com is
junk all right uh next on the agenda discuss um discussion regarding proposed open space bylaw it's been continued for last four or five meetings I don't have anything any update at all on anything to do with that um have you heard
anything Ed you anything not so I don't know so I have nothing to add to it I'll make a motion we uh continue that discussion to our next meeting in case we do get something uh from them second
any discussion all those in favor I I I next on the agenda review and approved meeting minutes as typed from December 4th 2024 all three members were present um I read through it I I'm fine
with the meeting minutes as typed I'm good I'll make a motion we approve the December 4th 2024 meeting minutes as typed second any discussion all those in favor I I I
um announcements uh turn over to Ed and any recent Board of Health agent pending items to Ed there are no bo help pending items okay and there's no announcements we need to make uh no announcements either either okay um anything with the
board members for discussion or announcements good good good and that is it for the agenda motion to adjourn second all in favor hi all