[Music] Good evening. It's Wednesday, November 5th, 2025 at 6 PM. Calling the Lakeville Board of Health meeting to order. Is there anyone in the audience recording this? I see no one. Uh, Lake Cam is
recording this. First on the agenda, Aesthetic Suites, 10 Lang Street. It's a new residential kitchen. It's pending water test results. And also, they're asking for a milk and
cream. Is there anyone in the audience to speak to this one? So, I'll turn it over to Ed. >> Yeah. So, she there's a couple things pending still. Um, like the water test. Um, we did the inspection yesterday and um, you know, everything's okay so far.
Um, so it's probably going to be a couple weeks before we actually get the results of the water test. So, it's not going to open, but just we wanted to get this done now just in case so that when um, she does get the results, she can open up right away. But yeah, other than that, no real
pending items. >> And they have all their certificates they need and >> Yep. They get all that. >> Just the water analysis. >> Yep. So, you just need a vote to uh approve it uh subject to the water test. >> Correct. >> You guys good? >> I'm good.
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the uh residential kitchen in milk and cream licenses for aesthetic suites at 10 Lane Street pending a water test result. >> Second.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor? I >> I >> I. Next on the agenda, new body art apprentice Tristan Escobar. It's located at 12 Harding Street, the Body Art Establishment, Savage Incorporated.
Anyone like come up to speak to this one? I'll see where you stand on this one. >> So, he has everything. He's he's he's got everything. Um, Savage Jenkins is an established business, so they um they've already been inspected. We probably will do an uh inspection soon because they
have two new um apprentices coming on. Um but um yeah, there there's no no pending items for this one. >> Do you do those inspections? >> No. >> No. Okay. And how often do we only do the body inspect? >> Twice a year.
>> Twice a year. >> Good. I'll make a motion that we approve the new body art apprentice license for Tristan Escobar for 12 Harding Street. >> Second.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I. Next on the agenda, new body art apprentice, Madison Riley, also located at 12 Harding Street with Body Art Establishment, Savage Incorporated.
Anyone like to speak on this one? >> Same thing you add, I guess. >> Yep. Same thing. Um, she has all her um everything there. Um, and so the the place they can do, they have facilities for two artists at
a time. Um, and so they there's these two apprentices and there's one um licensed artist there. So they can't all three work at the same time. So like we just got to check to make sure that you know there's there's only two chairs and two sinks. So that's we have to limited them to that. But u we'll we'll find
that out during the inspection. Make sure that all three of them aren't there at a time which you know if you have two chairs you you you probably want like three or four people because it's you know no one works every day you know. And with the um with an apprentice, the
um the one overseeing has to be there all the time. Apprentice, they can't work there. Like the two apprentices can't be there. >> Correct. >> Yeah. So the the the the owner the owner who's the licensed one has to be there and then the apprentice can work there, but like I said, I don't know if the
apprentice they can be there. They just can't be doing tattoos. They can be cleaning up and doing other stuff, but they can't be doing tattoos. >> Oh, because you can't oversee two of them at the same time. Well, there's only two chairs, too. Yeah. Two chairs and two sinks. That limits it, you know.
>> Yeah, it's good. >> Good. >> I'll make a motion that we approve the new body art apprentice Madison Riley at 12 Harding Street. >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor? I >> I
>> Thank you. Um and then the next one on the agenda is going to be four cross street. Um it's a continued discussion from our last meeting. Um
table turn it over to you. >> Yes. Hello. Good evening, Mr. Chair. Uh my name is Nicholas Gomes. I represent the property owner Ronald Oliver who joins me by my right. Um the purchasers of the prospective property are also here. Uh essentially we looked at the two options regarding upgrading the
septic system and then the interior renovations to the doorway opening. Um and we're basically seeking clarification on the doorway opening. Um the uh second option is um not feasible and we're trying to uh make it work on
the first option regarding the opening. So if I could I have some photographs to share with you. >> Yes, please. I see you have >> so the first picture is the u rudimentary uh addition of some red
marks on the plan of the doorway opening to describe the areas where we are proposing to be removed. Um the second page is going to show the actual closet um for a reference point. So the Lshape
of the left side of the closet would be removed. Uh the small wall which makes the right side of the closet that attaches to the doors would be removed. The back side of the closet is going to remain. That back side of the closet is
the hallway which leads into the master uh bedroom. And then master bath is across that hallway. Um so that corner in the last picture is showing that from the master bathroom sorry master bedroom door
to the end of the first casing is 20 in. So that is the real impement of what's blocking the amount of um square the feet that you're looking for 6 feet. So, uh, when you look at the 20 in being removed, that's essentially what we're
trying to gain confirmation that we remove these three sections of the closet, um, that we can keep the doorway for the hallway, which is what we're trying to do, and you're you're satisfied. Uh, the last picture,
the one with uh, my foot in it, uh, shows that the six feet, the 72 in is approximately an inch and a half. uh beyond the existing casing on the adjacent wall. So when you're looking at
the plan, it's the opposite corner of the opening is this last picture. Um so I wanted to just get this technical um measurements out there and then deal with the practical of what we're trying
to do. And if we can agree that it's basically removing these three uh walls that make up the closet area, um that you're satisfied and we're going to use that. >> Can I stop you for a second? You you started off by saying an L shape and now you're saying three walls, but I see
one, two, three, four walls. That's a U shape with a wall. So that would be four walls. >> Yes, those are the four walls that we're describing as being removed. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And are you going to remove the top of the closet um up to the ceiling? So that
was another question. Um you doing above >> that >> as long and that's another point of clarification and why we're glad to be here. Um is moving the uh closet uh to be in a line with the new one. So we're
salvaging the rest of the closet as long as you're satisfied with that and that's not an impedment. Um >> you're talking about this back wall here will just be a regular wall >> that's already there. are existing that creates the hallway. Yeah, >> that creates the hallway back the
closets that makes the thing. >> So that wall is going to stay and everything else is coming down. >> So the question is generally that's generally the point. But uh the question is if you do not um if having a closet is not a problem then we would want to
keep the closet and you would essentially shift over the wall to be in line with um where the door is now >> or open shelving something like that just to reduce the amount of damage that's going to be done. >> You don't understand what they're saying. You want to leave the closet? >> Pretty much leave the closet, move it
over or >> um just take the doors off and leave it >> or >> Yeah, I'm not okay with that. I don't know about you guys, but we gave him two options. >> I think we discussed this pretty lengthy at the last. >> We don't have a problem removing the
closet. We just were asking if that's okay, one or the other. If we left it for open shelving, if it means removing it, then we can remove it. >> We just want to know what's right. um what'll work, >> right? And then um at our last meeting,
you know, we we looked at this at length um because we were really really weren't satisfied with the opening, but without really making you rip off that master bedroom door and cut into the bathroom and not leave that path, there's really no way to fix it. So, we we kind of
said we were going to let it go at the the six feet if you removed the closet um with the deed restriction. Um I know at the last meeting Bob had uh brought up he he didn't even
like the casings around the door um to be removed. So, it's just a wall corner with no casing. Um, I know that didn't get put on and uh sent to you from town council. Um,
it just said remove the closet. Um, so I don't know where we stand with that other >> I guess if the rest of it comes out. I can put the >> it'll be a new wider case and I would have to go up there. >> Yeah, because you're looking to put that case in this case in back. It's just going to be over.
>> Yeah. But then at least they wouldn't have to go into the >> out into the hallway and patch the ceiling if we let them leave. >> That's something we're really trying to maintain is the privacy of a brand new home has a master suite. If we cut it into that hallway, basically they have to come out of their bedroom and then
>> let's so we that's why we didn't say we want it at 8 ft because that's really what >> I can open it up as much as we can. We can put a drywall corner there like you know I can get it to the maximum opening which again previously that was always our issue was the 8 ft is going to bring
us into that hallway and ruined the dynamic. That was always >> right >> why we were kind of had an issue with it. >> I >> uh I can open it up as much as I can to that to that wall that leads into there >> and if uh satisfies things this evening by completely removing the closet then
doesn't have to be an issue. Yeah, I prefer the drywall instead of the casing, too. So, and the closet's out and the casing. So, there's no door. It's just an open an opening. Really? Right. >> Well, I believe that's what we did agree on at the last meeting and vote on, but I know it didn't get sent to you.
>> Yeah, it's an open foyer. So, when you get to the top of the stairs, >> Yeah. >> right there, there's nothing there. So, you get to the end of the foyer, that's where the opening starts. We'll open it up as far as we can >> to the door >> to that door and remove the closet, which will uh give privacy. I believe
what the agent's looking uh remove privacy uh from that so it wouldn't be considered a bedroom and the deed restriction >> right three bedroom restriction and then we already did vote on that last week so I don't believe we have to
take that am I correct just clarifying >> but I made some notes I don't know if we can make a copy if you guys just want to see that and I'll take a picture and we can give it to them so we're on the same page that this wall staying Yeah, >> those three are coming out. That's
coming out and that's coming out, >> right? Yep. >> There's just going to be a room like that. >> We're all on the same page with that same page. Paran back to that. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> You agree? You want to initial anything and >> Yeah, >> we can. >> And then I'll take a picture. So, we can
give him >> Yeah. The agent's going to want to do another final walk through and and verify. >> Yeah. The agreement was both the chair and myself um do it. That was that was the agreement we came to um la last meeting. So, >> and if you want to look at it,
>> I would give this to them or we're going to keep it. >> No. >> And then did they see the sign off? Um town council that sent us >> No, you guys have to review that first. >> Okay. >> Once if you're okay with that.
>> Okay. >> And town scan. >> You guys mind if I ask questions? >> Sure. Yep. >> So, I've looked through everything I can and so I am the buyer of the home, my wife and I, and I've looked through everything I can and I understand that
you guys want this to remain a threebedroom home, right? But everything I see that nothing ever states anything but a closet in a home. The house we recent rec recently sold in Lakeville 92 county street. It had an entire second
floor, like a half of a floor. That was a basically like a a living space, six foot doorway with a large closet inside built in with windows just like this room is going to be for our kids. It's supposed to be a playroom. We we've
invested money in shelving in this closet. So, it's it's getting to a point where it's frustrating that these little things are holding us up, things that we're financially invested in like >> Well, let's be fair, right? Let's be fair. The blueprints were submitted for
a fourbedroom house. Septic was designed for fourbedroom house. It was on MLS where you saw it as a fourbedroom house, but he only put in a three-bedroom septic. So, we're not causing this. We're trying. And we even gave you an option that we don't normally do by allowing you to put advanced treatment in. So you could keep four bedrooms
because if that's what you thought you were buying, I thought you should get that. So, and I guess they're choosing not to do that. But >> we would have to rip out the entire system to make it conform. It's not just swapping out the tank, which I thought, hey, no problem. I don't have to touch
the house. But we would could never make that system conform to fast system compliance. And he told us, he says, I'm not going to budge on the state rags. The state rags are what they are. That's his job. Okay, I respect that. But we did apply. We did change this to a three-bedroom with a den. We weren't
trying to get by. And I only spoke to him once about this property. >> You listen on MLS as a fourbedroom. >> Never. >> It was never on MLS, sir. >> Okay. >> Chris, you got that? >> Maybe not. MLS, but it's on the internet >> on a real estate on a real estate >> on Zillow or something as a fourbedroom.
>> So, realtor.com it says fourbedroom. >> So, again, swear to God. So, if you guys don't mind as the buyer >> and with this type of system, that's a problem because this system is huge. The perk rate was terrible. The soils aren't great. You guys know that's not a good thing, right? If you overt tax the
system, it's going to fail a lot faster than most systems will. So, that's where our concern was. So, we don't just protect, we're going to protect your investment is what we look out for. >> While I understand that again, so >> at this rate, it came to the point where yes, I knew the three three-bedroom
septic went in. It's not originally what we were planning on, but we have two children. You can check the census. We have two children living in this home, right? So, the fourth bedroom is our additional space for a playroom, basically. I don't care if it has a door on it, but it should have a closet. If
it's not going to have a door, as people walk by, you look in, you see a mess. There's going to be stuff everywhere because we have no storage or I have to build my own closet space. I already set this up for the way that we needed it. This is our investment. We're invest You guys are making money back from taxes.
He's making his money back because we pay him. You guys are all going to get what you want. We're the only ones getting dragged through the mud right now. I I understand the septic thing. We're moving past the septic. It's a threebedroom septic and a threeb. >> So when you sell it and you market it
when you go to sell it and it's a then you can market it as a fourbedroom with a three-bedroom system and it's a >> not selling this house this 40 years old. I'm building this house right now >> right now. But down as a threebedroom
that's on me. I'm the one who's paying the mortgage. I'm the one who's paying you guys the taxes. >> We're going to keep >> the one who's paying him. Do you understand what my frustration? >> We get your thing. We get your your comment is I'll we'll bring it up to the three of us. I feel like somebody's
trying to teach me a lesson saying it was an MLS and it wasn't and that we're trying to get by. I made a decision because that picture still >> we've done this in other towns in Dartmouth, Westport, whatever. A lot of people work from home past COVID and they want this. This is something that they asked for. It wasn't something that
was shady and I've seen in some of the notes that someone's talked to me multiple times. I spoke to him once when he spoke to my project manager and said, "Hey, this is going to be a problem." So, I called him right away and we had the same conversation. Hey, we're done in other towns. We're not putting a door there. I can open it up. I can get it to
this many feet that we're talking about now. And he dug in his heels and said, "I want 8 ft." And that was going to ruin the dynamic of the master. It's not that I build houses everywhere every day. It's not like this is the one I'm trying to get away from the four. I made a decision that the cost for that
fourbedroom septic was going to be doubled. You guys can confirm with my engineer. So, we applied for a three-bedroom, changed on the building permit to a three-bedroom, got a septic permit for a three-bedroom, did all this. Nobody can hide these things, but it's I seem like I'm being punished and
therefore they're being punished thinking I was trying to slide one by and that was never my intent. I spoke to your health agent one time and I said, "Listen, we've done this in other towns. You can call Dartmouth, Westport, I build in every single town, and this is allowed with a deed restriction." A deed restriction is what makes it exactly
what you said. In the future, when you go to sell it, you're selling a three-bedroom home. It takes away all the discretionary powers because it's in black and white what you're selling and what's recorded there. >> So, so I feel like somebody's trying to teach me in a lesson. >> We checked with DP. >> We reached out to DP and we have
>> We had a meeting here. you weren't there and we told the engineer if if D backed your theory we would be okay with it and then when we finally heard back from D they did not back what you're saying >> well they said that the law is the law but there's other been other appeals in
the state and it's been upheld that the deed restriction >> seals the deal for everything >> but they don't have to grant you a deed >> we do not have to grant you a deed restriction on new construction if it meets the definition of a bedroom that was from D >> what's What's the definition of a bedroom?
>> 70 square ft. Um, an igra privacy and a window of a certain height and a ceiling height I believe is 72. >> Right. >> And an intent and most importantly an intent to use it as an actual bedroom which is completely absent in this case
which underlines the frustration. Uh, but we got our decision on what to do. That work's going to be done and then we'll be calling for the inspection. >> The timeline too. What's going on? wants to share the story. >> I I spoke to Ed at length uh recently. I went just to try and speak face to face
to face. I aired to him some of the reasons why I'm so frustrated here today. I I left to go overseas in uh April thinking that my family was going to be
set to go into this house by I believe it was August, July time frame. But due to freezing grounds, they had some struggle troubles troubles getting going. >> So now fast forward, here we are getting pushed back, pushed back, pushed back.
October. I'm now home on leave thinking I was coming home to make a few memories in this home so that it wasn't just a pile of sticks. Now I'm leaving Saturday with no answer. I
told him I am determined that by the time I leave I will have an answer on what's going on because my family will not be displaced. I have children in the school systems. We've been in Lakeville for >> six years. >> Six years. Thank you. We've we've been
taxpaying citizens. We've we have children in the school system to include old colony where if they get removed from that school, they don't go back. So, something needs to happen. I cannot have my family dragged through the mud any longer.
>> I mean, we didn't cause this. >> I'm not saying this. We gave options at the last meeting >> that >> that could have been fixed and you could have been living there now and it wasn't done. >> So, I know you're frustrated, but we even gave you a waiver to do an advanced
treatment so you could have your fourth bedroom that we don't normally do on new construction to try to help you so you get a four-bedroom house that you got advertised and we're paying for and they just didn't do anything. But certainly there's nothing happen. >> You can't make that system a fast system. It doesn't work. And you can check with them. We've done the
calculations. You have to do a pressure. You have to rip it all out and start from scratch. So, it's not >> the field would stay. He's >> No, you have to add the You have to add more chambers and has to be a fourth. It's a considerable expense. >> You can't you just It's a lot of money. >> It is a lot of money and we can't make
it work. We tried Jamie's had conversations with him. The calculations don't work. So, it wasn't that I didn't appreciate it. It just doesn't work. You know that what was proposed isn't an easy fix. I was going to leave the house alone and just swap out this tank. But then it's it doesn't meet the state requirement. So even though you you
offered it, it doesn't work unless I rip it all out and start all over again. And they can verify that. So this is why we're back here and see them being tortured over this privacy thing. And and it's discretionary. How much you have to walk by a a six-foot opening to
get there. So what privacy do you have, >> right? Like that's what we're fighting about. How much more privacy do you need when you're walking by 5 foot opening for a kid's playroom, you know, to delay them and delay them and delay them and >> we're not. We voted on this. We had
council here. The lawyers were here. We all agreed. We gave you an option that you could be he could be living there today if you would just done that. >> But instead, you got on another meeting and you came back and now he's getting screwed. But we're not doing it. >> The practicality now, yes, you're allowing us to get to that opening.
you're giving us a break to open it up as much as we can to that door. Before that, we would have had to go into the hallway. I appreciate the break that we're getting today and we'd like to move forward and get these inspections today. But >> well, even at the last break three weeks ago, >> we we agreed three weeks ago.
>> You just didn't have >> this was agreed on and we >> Yeah. to make it so you didn't have to go in the bedroom. >> We agreed to that the last meeting. >> It's on video. You can watch it on video. >> Yeah. We tried giving us everything we could to get him in there and now he's I
the sharks were coming back tonight. I'm like they're coming back and they didn't do anything and I thought the guy was in a rush and it's all trying to get turned around on us when we went out of our way to try to help. >> We were thinking that the septic route was an option but we've spent the last two weeks going back and forth trying to make the calculations work and they just
don't work. >> But that's fine. But that wasn't their fault when they gave you two options. The fact that you focused all your time on one of those options and never looked at the other, that's not their fault. Well, we thought that there would be some flex. >> We looked at both and even the conversation I had um prior with council
was um getting the discretion regarding we're going to take out those walls compared to the exact letter of six feet because I didn't want to do the work and then we're short three in potentially and then now we're still >> we agreed at the last meeting when uh we
voted on it just to make it as wide as you can up to that door >> without going into the bedroom. We didn't want to have you lose the master bedroom door. >> So, we stepped back from that and just removed the closet and we would have
that's why we gave you two options. >> And we even voted that they could go inspect it so you didn't have to come to another meeting so that they could go out and do that and get them in right away. >> And they and now they even agreed to do a meeting one week later if you chose to do that. But we didn't hear from you. >> We'd even have a special meeting if you
wanted to have a special I didn't want to disturb the home because it's pretty much complete. >> No, I understand you and that's even though those were your choices, not >> it's a less expensive option, but it's still an expensive home. >> You're mad at us and we didn't make any of these decisions. >> No, no, I'm I'm mad all around. Don't get me wrong.
>> So, I guess my next plea to you guys is, can we mix this closet thing so I can maintain my space? >> Cuz the closet doesn't make it a bedroom. >> We're not going into the bedroom. We We're letting you stop before the bedroom door. >> The closet in that in the playroom that
needs to leave move back. >> So you want a smaller closet, but don't remove it. >> Just I mean just does >> it's going to get small. Opening up the door, it's going to make it smaller, >> right? It can be a smaller we store board games and toys. If you have children, you understand you walk by a
six foot opening. I have OCD. I don't want to see my kids toys all over the damn room. I if it's in the closet the way we had it in the last house, we had nice built-ins which we've already paid for. They're already in the closet. the built in. They're already in there. They're expensive. Like, they're already in the closet for board games and toys.
It's the same setup we had in the last house that we wanted to carry over for the toy room. That's it. If we get rid of it, we have no storage for all of these toys. And it's going to be the biggest eyesore in the world. And there's nothing I can do because you're right, there is no privacy on whether it
be a four, five, six, 10 foot doorway. There's no privacy and I have to look at it no matter what because there's no door on the room. But if I can shove all the toys into a closet and it looks aesthetically pleasing in a closet on shelves, I'm happy. But to have stuff just strewn about a room, it is
unfeasible. >> So I'll I'll bring that back to the board. Is anyone >> I mean >> we would have to revote. I mean because we voted to have it removed if any wasn't willing to
>> I know there's the town. I know that. So, I'm asking you guys about this closet thing like >> tension with the town. >> That's all. >> We've been here. >> It just makes our life easier. >> It has nothing to do with >> You're still going to have to open this up wide.
>> And there's no tension with me in the town. It's I do business in your town. I've done a lot of business here. We've never had a problem in the past. It's I don't know why everyone's digging their heels here. It wasn't like I was trying to do something mischievous. You know, you can't build a house this big. Here's
the listing, by the way. >> Four bedroom. >> Um, we we don't I don't dig my >> We don't sit here and live. >> What I do is I give the same thing to everyone and and >> so that's where I come. If you didn't market it and do all that stuff to begin with, we wouldn't even be here.
>> Well, we also build in a lot of other towns and we use the models, but you have an end buyer who's been here in this process since the very beginning. >> We wouldn't be here if you didn't >> if you if you did everything from the beginning. We wouldn't be here. That's an >> and I believe Ed this goes all the way
back to May. Am I correct? >> Yeah, they I notified um soon as I saw that it was a fourbedroom home. I notified back in >> not you the contractor because he was he's the one who applied for the online permitting system. So I not notified the applicant that you know it was a
fourbedroom home and it was a three-bedroom septic. This was in May of >> I wish no one ever said that a deed restriction wouldn't solidify this because a deed restriction is what solidifies it in every other town and Lakeville is its own town and if somebody said hey a deed restriction is doesn't work here and I checked the
bylaw >> D since D told us that I doubt it's every other town to be honest with you just like it wasn't in MLS but he has a picture >> it wasn't >> okay we even sent this to D to ask him if they if we could >> sorry it's not MLS it's real.com but it
says in freaking writing. >> So D says if you want a deed restriction, you do it in pre in the permitting stage, not in the construction phase. And then two, they don't have to grant that um deed restriction. So that's what they said.
So if if a town chooses to do that, that's fine. They are allowed to do that, but they don't have to do that. And what we're saying is normally if you had come to us back in a year ago and said, "Okay, you know, we want to build a fourbedroom house with a three-bedroom subject," they could have had the
discussion and they could have granted the deed restrict. And then if they chose >> I assume my engineer is coming in here with the house that I'm building and if there were any objections to that because we applied for a three-bedroom septic, right? We applied for a three-bedroom septic. I assume he's coming in here with the actual house
plans that we're building. >> We don't see house plans. You guys never see >> no health plans never go to border health. We just look at the septics. >> We we didn't see it till May. And that's as soon as I >> So you guys just look at the at the footprint of what's being built. >> We look by what they call it on the plan. The engineer calls it a
three-bedroom or fourbedroom house. >> And know that you guys don't look at the whole house plans before you make a decision. >> That's why I was like, why is this coming out now? >> The engineered design plans would tell you the bedrooms of what's in the the design plan, the whole house plan. So, why would you need to look at
>> the architectural plans? >> August of 2024. Um, and when that came across, I approved it. It was a fine three-bedroom septic system and with a three-bedroom house. And then in May of 2025, they they it changed to a
fourbedroom. As soon as I noticed it, I I notified the contractor. >> Why do you say it changed to a fourbedroom? Why do you say it changed in May to a fourbedroom? because the plan I got in August of 2024 said threebedroom on it. It said a three-bedroom house with a three-bedroom
subject. So, I approved it. There was nothing wrong with it. Then, in May of 2025, they submitted a fourbedroom house which did not match with what the pre-approved plan. So, that's why I notified him that it didn't match and that was the time to fix it back in May.
>> Can you in May of 2025 submitted a bedroom? Wasn't there a fourbedroom they submitted first in the folder? >> Oh, in the septic. Yeah. So way Yeah. You're going back even further that. Yeah. There was a fourbedroom septic, but after conservation and everything
and ended up being a threebedroom septic. That's the one I approved. I never approved the fourbedroom septic. >> Yeah. We never went forward with with a four a full fourbedroom se because it's double the size and double the walls and you know triple the fill, >> right? And we had >> we did have four bedrooms submitted on
this property first. That's >> but then the threebedroom got approved. Then when the permit came in, they went to pull the building permit. They submitted plans that said fourbedroom with four bedrooms on it. And that's what triggered Ed to call and say, "Hey, this is a three-bedroom septic. You're putting on a four-bedroom house. These don't match." >> I mean, if it was always a fourbedroom
home, then why did you submit a three-bedroom septic with a plan that said three-bedroom house on it? >> Well, we modified it before we started building. We had to cross it out and wrote den on there. And then we uploaded the new plans as say den at my architect change. So it's not like we're trying to do anything mischievous. We we changed
it when we applied. I've always it was always going to be a three-bedroom house with a den. Threebedroom septic always. And I think that's why I'm getting smacked around here because you guys think I'm trying to do something. >> First plan said fourbedroom. The copy of the first plans you submitted said fourbedroom.
>> The ones I I submitted to the building department. The approved plan was for a three-bedroom septic. the one that I got my building permit under, right? We have to give them the approved site plan. That's what we gave to them. It's always been a three-bedroom and Nate made us cross it out and write den on there. So,
that's what they have and that's what I've been building. So, when I got the call, I'm like, it's always been what I applied for and what I'm building, you know, and I feel like that's why everyone's digging in their heels like, "Oh, we got to teach this guy a lesson." That was never my intent. No.
>> And I've only spoken to you once about this house. >> I I notified you. I I didn't notify you, but I notified the applicant who applied for the building permit and Nate notified him in February of 2025. So, this is going back to February 25 when you ignored two warnings that okay, there was a problem and you just
continued to build. >> And again, one we changed it on the plan, but somebody should have said we're not going to accept the deed restriction and we got to change the house plans now before it goes to plan. >> In my comment, I said, you know, this needs to be fixed before you start construction. I wish somebody had said
that you'd wanted like an 8 foot opening or something that would have again my only issue was the house was almost done and then we're having this stuff these conversations >> at that point we didn't go into the details I said this needs to be fixed before you start construction you chose to start construction anyway >> that was on the septic when the septic
installer pulled the permit you notified him >> it's in writing it's on the online platform and my comments are still there >> yeah and I thought that you just forward >> we are where we are we made the doorway as big as big as we Good. >> I just wish. But at that point, the house's almost done. It's wired. It's
sheetrock. The flooring's in. It's like, why are we having this conversation now? And someone should have said, >> "Deed restrictions. Don't do it. Got to change the house." >> Nobody asked for deed restriction. >> It's not for us to just automatically give out deed restrictions. You were your engineer never came and even asked for one,
>> right? Nobody asked for one. They're coming up today like we should have did it. It's We don't We don't go around saying, "Oh, let's give this guy a D switch. Let's give this guy a variance." Somebody got to apply and ask us. You never did that. Like this whole thing. We've gone through the history. We got town
council. The town paid for town council to come. We came to give the advance. We gave these two different things. We had meetings on it. We opted to have another special meeting on it to call a special meeting just to help him, right? And here we are like when he told me I thought the meeting was getting cancelled because all were these other three things.
>> It all came back to privacy. And who makes the distinction on how much how much how much more how much little privacy there is when you're walking by this big opening. If it was down the end of the hall, yes, you could say there's privacy, but when you're going by this big door opening, but I appreciate the
approval. We don't have to go back and forth. But it's just I think the project just went too far without somebody saying, "Look, it needs to stop earlier than >> he told them before they started." >> Nate told you in February and I told you in May. We both told you. >> The building inspector in that region both told you
You're acting like we didn't tell you. >> I I don't think that it was explained to me the way it's being explained now that this is going to hold it up like, "Yeah, we're just going to let you keep building and keep getting your inspections and still give you the septic plan for a three-bedroom septic
permit. So, let us start." And then here we are again. I I think we should have stopped a lot sooner, but I don't know. Maybe this is your way of trying to teach me a lesson. I think we have an understanding now and appreciate your time. Um, coming here and
>> going over that. The last item was the closet. >> I mean, I don't really want to screw the lady with her closet to be honest with you. >> It's not really their fault. >> Question. What's So, the doorway is how wide right now? >> 440. >> It's going from four to six. >> But it won't go into the hallway.
>> So, in order to not cut into that closet, it can't go any wider than what? Four something. I guess what I'm asking is just out of curiosity, >> like here's your master right here. >> He's only seen the house once.
>> Yeah, that's the hallway. >> Yeah, they want to open all the way. >> So, this is the doorway right here. >> Yeah. And this is the beginning of of your closet right there. But they want all this removed and this based on today's approval.
>> So I guess my my question >> and forgive my ignorance but what's the difference between 4T and six feet? >> It's the six feet that they want open to create less privacy. >> But >> the difference is the next day somebody can hang a door back up there.
>> So the next day I'm the owner the next day. >> Yeah. >> So who's going to hang a door? Whe whether it's you or they don't make four foot door uh doors >> they do actually >> I mean I but but you're but you're I guess you're punishing me and my family.
>> No, no, I'm sorry. I'm not going to take that. We're not we >> we're not trying to punish you. All the women bent over backwards to try to help you and get you in and none of them were taken. >> And that's I I don't disagree. And now I'm even saying I'm trying to give your wife the closet and you don't even want
to move the door over anymore. >> No, I'm just I'm trying to get cl I haven't been part of this. I've been gone. I'm just trying to get understanding of what's going on here. So I was just wondering what the difference between 4T and 6 feet truly was because >> like when we move in
>> our actual opening was what we tell people when >> I'm not approval. No, it's 8t. We want an 8ft opening and we're making an exception >> cuz we didn't want you to rip out your master bedroom and door. So, we've already made an exception. This would be
8 ft. That's why Ed was saying 8T. Anybody else that has done this in town, it's 8t, not a new construction, >> but 8t just trying to understand. >> We just tried to get you moved as far as you can approval. I I appreciate >> we try to treat every house as the same.
So, Maybe you are are don't want the privacy. Maybe you won't use it as a bedroom. Maybe you have different preferences. But when someone comes before us, we treat everyone the same. And like Derek was just saying, every other house that's come here has opened it up to 8 ft. Everyone,
>> this is the first one that's that they've actually even came up when we were looking at the actual house plans. >> We weren't told it was going to be a toy room. We were told home office. And I was like, "Well, just blow a door away through the closet into that room. You can keep the door in the closet in there
and just you make it so you can go between the master and that if it's a home office, right?" We weren't told >> prison down the street. >> We were never told to room. >> We were told home office. >> So, we were trying to find other ways to make it even easier. Like, we we
>> I mean, we spent a lot of time on this already. >> I'm just trying to get gain and understand. That's all. I'm not I'm not disputing the >> and everything we've said I could document for you tomorrow between the emails from Ed from him. Everything town council was here. We we've like gone way
out of our way to try to help you and it's not our fault that he didn't do any of them. It's just not I know you're upset and I appreciate your service. I honestly do. >> I'm upset all around. Don't get take it personal. >> But it's just like, you know, and now I'm over here trying to say, well, let the letter keep the closet as long as
they move the wall. And now that's even getting pushed back. I mean, >> that's I'm not trying to push that back. I was again just trying to understand what the difference like I didn't understand. That's all. >> Like we've gone further for this house than we have probably for anything in the 15 years I've been on the board for trying to help, you know, and and like I
was shocked. We only had two tattoo things. I didn't think we were going to have the meeting and then it said you guys were coming back and I was like why? I thought they were moved in already. I didn't even know you hadn't done any of them because they came and said it was you guys were trying to get in as soon as possible. So, we gave two different options. Do either one of them, they can go out. We don't even
have to have a meeting. We voted to let out the two of them. Just go look, make sure we're set, and let you move in. >> I was going to swap. >> And then tonight, nothing happened. >> I thought it was a tank swap >> so I wouldn't have to go in and damage the house. But the calculations don't work. We're just swapping the tank. So, that's why we came back to see if there
would be a little bit more leniency uh on the opening. So, if the board is inclined to include the closet, we would just basically grab the parallel from the existing door, and that would line up and be the uh new wall, which is part of the closet. So,
it's it's the same size of the opening. >> I mean, I don't know about you guys, I'd be okay with that. >> At this point, we have a buyer and you guys have been stuck in the middle. >> It really hasn't shouldn't have been your fault. I mean, I'm in no way I'm
I'm not pointing fingers in any specific direction. I'm just I'm just here airing my grief. >> And he'll show you the listing. It was listed as a >> These guys have all heard it from me already. Ron through Cam, I'm sure. You know what I mean? Like, it's >> And that was the last kind of straw for me when when everybody was telling them
and then everybody's like, "Oh, it's only going to be a threebedroom." Then it got listed as a four bedroom. That's when I was kind of like, "All right, this has gone too far. You can say you didn't do it. Here's a picture of the listing." It was on It was on a site as a fourbedroom. Just as he has it, we can send it to you. >> And so
>> doesn't mean that I posted it. There's somebody there's a there's over a thousand realtors in our area and we all work together and they call us and say, "Hey, where are you building? What are you building?" And they put in wrong information. We show properties all the time. We go in, it's not always accurate. Some stuff has changed. So
nothing is done maliciously. I like doing business in town. I'd like continue doing business here. I'd like us. I'd like to get this family into their home. You can give them some leniency on the closet and and uh allow us to, you know, make the adjustments and come and inspect it as soon as you
can. As soon as we call you, when it's ready, we'd appreciate it. >> Chris, comments, anything. >> No, I'm fine with that. Yeah. After hearing all the other crap that's going on, >> anyone like to speak anything else? Do we need to clarify anything else? So,
>> I'd say let's go back to another picture before we end this. Yeah. >> Well, now that we're allowing a closet, just a smaller one. So, there's no, you don't have to take all those other walls out. So, that doesn't have to come out. This won't have to come out. The only change now will be that making it smaller.
>> Yep. Draw straight across. Everybody agree back. >> Yes, please. Thank you. >> And we're going to have to revote on it because it wasn't what we voted on at the previous meeting to allow happen. >> We're going to do it. just move it back
as far as they can. >> Move it back to the corner of that doorway. >> We still need we'll need a deed restriction reported >> to it. Um and then town council, we have to review something from town council, but we'll um we will need a sign off
also, Ed, right? Town council prior to >> Yeah. So there'll be a settlement that based on >> based on your diagram that you just drew there. We'll draw up a new settlement to clear
up the court case as well. And also I have a deed restriction the D. Um >> this is the new >> template one if you would like that one. >> So you can do that. >> That's the one that you prefer.
>> Work off that one the first thing. >> Let me highlight that too and then we'll take a picture of that too. >> Yeah, I think scan it. >> Yes, I will. We'll take a picture and we'll give you this one. >> Hey, take a picture of this and then you
can give them that. And again, as soon as it's open and then you get an inspection, we can do it. But we'll also need the the sign off um from the lawsuit. We'll work on getting everything to you. And
you just count down. >> Thank you. >> All right. So, we're going to have to >> amend you guys good later on. Do we need to amend it or make a new motion on the D? It's all legal. >> Yeah, you can you just make a new motion
based on the >> you you would approve the approve it with a deed restriction um and providing the inspection meets what was given the diagram. I'm going to leave the closet.
Move the door opening all the way as far down as you can to master bedroom. And we'll need the uh deed restriction sign. >> All right. I'll make a motion a new motion to replace what we did the last time in the town council
>> to say the address >> for nine cross street. Um, we are going to allow a closet in there, but the wall is going to be moved in the hallway as the opening will be as large as it can
without causing them to interfere with the existing master bedroom doorway. There will be a threebedroom date restriction required and the paperwork to resolve that lawsuit will need to be um squared away
um to off and then we again will allow Derek and Ed to go over and do an inspection as soon as it's done so they can sign off on it themselves so you don't have to come back to the board again. >> Did I miss anything? >> No. >> I second that.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> Thank you very much. >> Do we have our well well results on this one too? That's not going to hold them up. >> We do have the pass. No gross alpha. We're good to go. Yeah. >> I just want to hold you up. >> Thank you.
>> All right. >> We need we need the septic I believe from >> I Jamie has I just think he didn't send up cuz we're going to make some changes but get it ready to go. I'll make sure I get it through right away. >> Yeah. I will need that before I inside office. >> You have you gone out to do the finished
grade inspection? >> No, I have not. >> So, we still have to come to the property to do a grade the last inspection. >> Well, not because we thought we were going to be >> making some adjustments to the field and stuff. So, uh, Tom Clancy kind of held off till he back from us. But >> yeah, because we don't come out till we actually have the built in our hand from
the engineer. Then we do the final inspection, make sure it's low and seated, the grades, you know, covers are the grade, everything's per land. >> Okay. >> So, just as soon as you can get that to us. >> Yeah, I'll finish that right away because there's nothing holding that up now. So, we'll get to work on the inside
and I'll give them the green light to do the exterior that we're not going to be disturbing anything there. >> All right. >> Thank you all very much. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Sorry for your all the problems. We we really >> said nothing personal.
>> Um next on the agenda, um discuss the recent board of health agent pending items. And I don't see announcements on here, but I'll put them I'll just put it in under any it announcements or pending items. >> Uh there are no pending items.
>> No announcements. No clinics. Nothing. No, the the clinics are all um Oh, yeah. We did do um a flu clinic um back in October, but yeah, they're all done now. >> Okay. Mosquitoes, I'm sure, now are with
the frost we and so what what it is is um because the entire state has not had a hard frost, they don't declare it. So, all parts of the state have so there's really little or no risk there, but they still have their I think every is is
still a moderate risk. Um but until the entire state goes through a hard ro hard frost, that's when they declare it over. But so technically they haven't declared it over because there are still parts of the state that happen to hard frost. >> Oh yeah. Right. >> I believe we have Yeah, we're now 28.
>> Oh, you take every day. You know, >> not in the ground, but I mean the grass been white. There's been ice in my windshield. So I believe that's a hot frost. >> It's got to be so many hours. There's been more than one more than like that, too. >> Yeah, we've had two of them. >> Anything else?
>> Um, I have nothing to discuss with the board. Anyone else have >> I'm good. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> Thank you.