[Music] good evening it's Wednesday April 2nd 2025 at 6 PM calling the Lakeville Board of Health meeting to order is there anyone recording this in the audience i see no
one lake Cam is recording this first on the agenda is 90 Main Street um we're going to skip that one um just because there's no one here to talk to that one so we'll go right to number two we'll come back to that after
424 Bedford Street meet with Foresight Engineering to discuss requested local upgrades uh Darren how you doing if you're familiar with this property it's right across from uh Betty's neck
it's a long property runs along Polish shores so as you can imagine the material is rocky uh so in order to get away from all the wells we had to go up in the back which is up on the hill where most of the rocks are the material is kind of hit or miss so we're installing a presby just in case we
don't get our four ft of material as one of the deep holes shows we didn't have it um we're asking for the 3-FFT groundwater variance also instead of the two cuz we have enough space to grade it out but just to keep it a little bit lower it is going to be a mountain up there
already other than that I think it's pretty standard upgrade with the tanks down below pumping up the hill on that one how many square feet is that lot i couldn't find anywhere oh it's well over 20 yes 5 acres it's like five
or six acres okay sorry about the wrong there it's like 6.9 if I had to guess okay and obviously it's two-bedroom existing so it's going to stay a two-bedroom with the requested variances yep with the deed restriction I believe it says on
the plan yes it does yeah we don't have much choice with the location of the well there and uh everything like that and the material talk isn't the greatest like I said okay um you don't have house out invert um is that across yeah we're
not sure exactly where it is we just kind of know where the tank is now and took a measurement down so we should be fairly close and make it it comes out underneath the concrete so they'll have to cut that right there right by the well okay sorry see the tanks are just
outside of 50 ft so obviously whoever installs it yeah have to stake that out which is pretty evident because it's the end of the existing tank so there's like a flower bed right there now so we can make sure of that um and the only other thing I came up with on your form
9A um it says description of proposed upgrade system it says a 1500galon H20 monolithic two compartment septic tank and a monolithic thousandgalon yes up
here it does not does not say yes monolithic we can we can provide that if you want we can write it in okay but you want you do want a mon yes cuz we we're pretty sure ground water is going to be like 2 ft down there yeah it's at 100 you're calling it and that's at the invert yep so it just doesn't say it on
this plan so yeah we can change that so then that gets the seam up so you won't have to worry about that you'll just have to seal the in and outs really good yep uh it's calling for rubber booties yep rubber booties or the stainless we'll just make that a monolithic on that sorry about that
um other than that yeah you took the the water table from the highest perk it goes right through the system at 115 so yep and I think we granted that one foot anyway with Presby yes and then that's a given yes that way if we run
into it we can ask for it after the fact if we need to for any other variances if we don't have our four feet or less than three then we'll come back um I didn't have anything else on it it's just outside the well and nowhere
else can we put it on no we want to add to that the the inlets to have that is I didn't see a note in here it's not in the the operating request it's right there yeah i mean do we want
it in the note or is that No usually it's in the note like with the upgrade requests let's go no I don't I don't think it's enough yeah I just local upgrade i just didn't retype it because that's what it says you granted the It's on there too i missed that earlier yeah that's the way the
regulation reads you're granted the variance if you do these things okay but you were talking about the rubber booties correct yeah i didn't see I didn't see that there it's just that should just say monolithic is the only Yep i can change that and you got a high and low vent up top you know going
through the house you know back feeding the tank yeah we got plenty of pitch to drain back so well have any I'm fine with that's all I had did you I don't think you had any comments on this one no I'm good
anybody got to speak for this one that's the only change I need to and it probably should be on a revised plan or something ed I'll get you a revised plan just just so the install catch that yeah so right right
all right i'll make a motion to approve the septic repair at 424 Petford Street with the three local brigades and the one remedial presby revision um provision along with editing the plan to
have a monolithic show a monolithic tank oh to add monolithic to the septic tank notes or detail I should say i'll second that any discussion all those in favor i
I I Darren okay we'll go down to number three now just to finish up with Darren go back to number one after number three is for Ash Street meet with Foresight Engineering to
discuss requested variants for a tight tank darren I'll turn over to you again yeah so basically my client has a large garage keeps his machinery in the upstairs is unfinished he'd like to be able to finish that upstairs and put a
bathroom up there whether it's office space or a game room doesn't want to have to walk outside down the stairs to the walk out of the house if we want to go to the bathroom um so we're asking to put a tight tank in of course this is a new tight tank so it's not an increase
in flow but it's still new construction so we have to ask for the variance to the water supply from 400 to 300 um again we're proposing a monolithic tight tank um to handle the flow if it was to turn into an office um for the full
space for a home office so worst case scenario we size the tank according to that is it a half bath or a full bath i do like a 3/4 shower okay
uh okay a couple questions I guess to start i mean I I guess the biggest problem I have with this one is in a zone A yep so under the zone A it's it's pretty clear there's no new tanks allowed in a zone A only under a repair
yep um like you said if it wasn't a zone A we grant them for a garage with pool house but what's the difference if it's a tight tank there's no nitrates going anywhere it still says in title five no
new tanks in a zone A so I I understand it doesn't go into the ground but it's in title five you're not supposed to allow tight tanks in zone A only under a repair i would say then it would go under the same variance that would apply
for forks because we're not within 100 ft of the wetland or surface water supply or tributary and we're not within 200 ft that would be the variance we asked for for the ones over on crooked lane
right but those were that was not a zone A you remember we removed the tanks outside the Yeah the first one was granted just for the house the second one we were able to move it because we had the space but this is just a tight tank too for an existing building right
um yes it is it is a state per se it's a D variance that you would be granting to you correct because it says no new tanks yeah even it says above ground tanks also in the wording in there it's not in I've been looking at title five for hours i can't find it but Ed think correct me it's in Yeah the surface
water supply it's in surface water supply is a drinking water clearly states it um and to my knowledge I don't think we've ever granted one yet at least since 12 years I've been on the board this is kind of a unique lot because it's probably the only lot that
was new construction within 400 ft also um it's already all disturbed area it's a asphalt driveway we're going to stick the tank in it's already built up above grade about 3 to 4 feet from what was existing grade who are pretty much
putting the tank above existing grade but in theory wouldn't this be a better situation than having them try to pipe it all the way down to the existing septic correct because he could do that on his exep existing septic system right cuz we have a pump that was my next theory to get around that yep this
system we approved one in 2022 now that was never installed correct correct so was the system in failure prior to 2022 why did we come in and design one and improve it we had some issues with the leech field there was some biomat formed i'm not sure if Louis had him out there taking care of it but I know there's no
more ponding on the lawn cuz I was just there a little while ago so okay and I didn't sign the deed restriction i got 3 acres of land being built for a four bedroomedroom i just I want a fourbedroom right but on
the pond again you're in you're stuck in that zone A so it Yeah but they gave me a threebedroom why can't I up it to a four was that it was probably pre-existing house there Ed i'm not The original design was a threebedroom and the second design was a threebedroom
um we've never approved a design for a fourbedroom because I think the original um I don't know what was there originally when they put the thing in but um it's never been more than a threebedroom and there's a lot of people who want a fourth bedroom or another bedroom in that area but why can't you find a way to do it alls I hear is you
can't you can't you can't i don't hear solutions how to make things work because we're we're abided by we're obliged to abide by the state regulations we have to enforce them that's our job we enforce state i get it well the state gave me a threebedroom and I'm asking for a four right but they
I'm on three acres they gave you a three with a variance so can't I get another variance you'd have to ask the board and it sounds like Can I have a variance but it's not 3 acres of upland it's 3 acres i mean you got wetlands here you got pond but I probably got Well we're we're trying to
protect public health too right so if we gave everybody an extra bedroom then all this stuff gets contaminated and then we're not protecting anything there's three bedrooms on 10,000 foot lot if it was pre-existing non-conforming we
have to comply to to leave what was there we can't tell them you got to tear your house down right so anywhere we had it it has to stay but you're adding now in a zone A is the problem again like you know that there could be a
workaround not that it's a workaround but you you haven't upgraded your system yet so we allow you to upgrade your system for a three bed adding a bathroom in your garage isn't adding any flow but you'd have to put these tanks down here
and pipe your house down to it then pump it back up to the field it would meet compliance but to add a tank does I mean that that's the only thing I you're not changing anything you're meeting compliance it's a repair you
just want to tie in a bath and then in your previous plan of 2022 I have it in front of you the garage wasn't even built it's not even there it's a big blank so so you just built it it's brand new so there's no hardship there's no to grant the variance there has to be a
hardship to deny you manifest In just I read through the you just want a bathroom in your garage 40 from your house do we have because he could do it if we made him do all that can we just say instead of doing all that a tight tank's better or we can we even do that
or Well I mean he's calling it an office/ game room and I I do believe you're going to do that but it fits the definition of a bedroom which is increasing flow now although you were going to use it for that if that house gets sold a realtor's going to look at that and say "Hey you got another bedroom in there." And that's not your
problem to worry about is it it is though because we're in the zone A because we're approving something for them i'm trying to explain the regulations to you because you know I was the one that got this approved originally for you for new construction there was nothing on this property this was new construction and unfortunately
the board held dropped the ball this should have been a Distriction because it was a D variance granted it was never great why don't you come up with a solution down there to help the people with the water the thing I am trying to do the thing that we tried to do is he says had him listed as what he bought
down i designed a four bedroom that this I can one one at a time one at a time right so we can fit a fourbedroom system for his septic on his lot and still have all the same variances that were granted originally and now we can fit a fourbedroom which is kind of what he wants which I can do so this house will
handle the system but he doesn't understand that he can't list it as a fourth bedroom and that it's really up to you guys whether you're going to give him the fourth bedroom i can request it just like we're requesting this and I'll sign the deed restriction but he he's like he he's asking me to do
this i know that the rules don't allow this it's completely up to you guys but we all know that I can also take all the tanks and put them in the backyard where there's a walk out get all the plumbing to the tanks now the tanks are closer to the pond now the tanks are probably in the water table because they're behind
the house in the lower elevation so I mean this this tight tank would have definitely alleviate that situation for him well that's what I'm asking it just whatever the actual laws are it seems to make more sense just to do that to me anyway but then you got to do it for everyone
yeah i I to me I I just don't see how you get away with a tight tank in the zone A you said because everybody on the pond is in a zone A it's a whole It's not just Nobody's got the land to build a garage like I did they do or the land there's a lot of land maybe not in Clark
Shores but around the pond there's a lot of big lots and there's a lot of places where they want an ADU or a second cottage or something like that and you know up until this point we haven't allowed it and the same thing's going to come up under ADUs now where you you have by
right by the state but it doesn't supersede title five in this variance with no new tanks in the zone A so there's a whole you just can't grant the new tanks where So can you grant the four bedroomedroom and then I'll pipe
the garage into that one i don't think unless it was a four bedroom anywhere previous so there was nothing on this lot i'm not aware when this was approved no it was a vacant lot we bought all the land and then we went
out and parked it so did you tear down a couple of houses to get that how did I know you've done that several times bought 10 five lots and you took there was nothing on these lots it was completely vacant we got it to perk and unfortunately because there was no water
at the time we were forced by all the wells to put the septic within the 400 ft but he has land outside the 400 ft that we could have fit the septic but because of abing wells we couldn't how many lots were there originally that made up this piece just one it was just one it was just one big lot down there
and he just scooped it up it was right after he bought the properties on Ash Street across the street yeah was it pre title 5 pre96 was after 96 the lot was created pre96 yes these are all original lots so they were all joined it was
probably They might on the plan i'm sure this is like 20 lots on the original plan but it was bought as one lot at that time it was zoned as one lot if you seen the old Clark Shore plans is every lot is multiple lots
and there's nowhere this entire lot's within 400 ft yeah other than the very front corner but then you're within 100 ft of the wells across the street which is what forced us originally to within the 400 ft which is why we went for the D variance that was granted with the treatment system and basically we use
the argument of that it has 3 acres of land and we're pretty far up the slope and we're not in the water table and can we move it forward and get a variance cuz you have to stay 50 ft not if you're increasing flow but I can fit a fourbedroom outside
of their wells but I can't fit it outside the 400 and I think on your point on that I think we just have to revert back to what it is and approved as yeah i mean just because it was a it got through as a threebedroom back with whoever did it
and gave you that variance it doesn't mean it you should have grant another one to go to fourbedroom i I don't Right that's your decision hundreds of hundreds of homes on the in the zone A if you got the power to do it why wouldn't you do it no hardship i don't see hardship what do you need everyone what do we need to
give you a fourth bedroom for i got to protect water what public health benefit is there to giving you a full Oh my sister might be moving in mhm but the main idea of it is you're trying to protect the drinking water of the
pond that That's why shoot all the geese all over the lake i agree with that right so they they can't take I mean you go in a time machine and no one should have ever been allowed to go full time down there is what should have been done but it but it isn't that way is it
you advocated for the water down there right years ago maybe not you but the board did it one time and now nobody's got water because you robbed everybody and everybody's screwed i don't see you guys coming up seasonal neighborhood that never should have been converted to
fulltime that's our fault i I don't think you can blame us for the water situation think I could care less that's what you're accusing us for of no I'm not i'm just asking you people to find solutions no you're not you're being argumentative and you're being difficult oh okay you guys grow just calling grab
the low hanging fruit and just No no no you can't have it do we want to make a motion i've heard enough i'm making it's making his own so basically but are
we saying that he can't even do it if he puts it into the existing leeching field or we just can't do a tight tank what are you guys against I believe he can tie in by law cuz it's no further if you want to tie in like I
said if you want to tie in and you can get it to gravity we can't tell you Oh right i mean it's Well if it's a bedroom then you can say it's right but it is would have to be If it's defined as a bedroom but if there's no closet it's not a bedroom
right if there's no closet no if it's over 70 ft if it has a window and if it has heating then it's a bedroom mhm closet doesn't matter it's got its own entrance so that under It's a bedroom by definition yes i know I know he doesn't
want to use it as that and that's fine but it's still like I said the next person coming in will probably use it as a bedroom because they can make it deed restricted for half bath inevitably used as bed but still defines bedroom
yeah it's still defined as a bedroom that's the problem so I guess that would be a I don't know what you would would that be submit his building plans um I mean how do you prevent he's not going to build a room up there
that's less than 70 ft it's going to have its own entrance it's going to have a doorway so under that criteria it's considered a bedroom but without a shower it's a separate place we have allowed people to put bathrooms over the garages a bathroom
and a garage yeah yeah not full bathrooms but half baths right but not So then if you called it a bedroom you'd be saying that they're they're using as a bedroom but then they're walking across the parking lot every time they want to take a shower i don't know about that i know we've done that with pool houses in the past
where we were a little worried we wouldn't let them put in a shower it's just bathroom i'll just do the half bath but that wasn't in the zone A though was it no no was just just so that people weren't going to be renting them out to in-laws or whatever living in there right because we're allowing them to
connect to the septic we wanted to make sure it wasn't going to be used as another bedroom that's But I know one on the lake we did let them do it right a half bath yeah over the garage and I would be okay if we found out a way to do a half bath up there but I you
know it depends i'm only one vote um but again and if we cuz I don't want to say the name on camera but I know at least once we've done it right and I think that was different circumstances that used to be a house i know the one you're talking about okay
um there was a house they tore down at the previous meeting we had pictures of the house it was supposed to be they took that lot decommissioned when they approved the lower system so that was a different story yeah that wasn't new construction because it was a
house and a garage with a um a room over that was not increasing um cuz I got 4t of pitch so I can definitely get it over there from the pool from this yeah I want to see yeah cuz you're you're in 70 elevation 73 up
there and the tank shows 71 yeah and I think my old tank was 67 in front of the house i mean I guess you'd have to propose it and have another I don't think we can decide on that without even being proposed i'm not Yeah cuz we're going to have to His last
plan expired anyways so if he's going to have to upgrade it then we'll show it on that plan and then he's just showing on I mean obviously there'd be I know you don't like the deed restrictions but there there will be several Yeah to do that it'll be never be used as an ADU it'll never be used as a bedroom it's
only to be a half bath because you're in the zone a few it's just it's just a zone A it's not like you said and we try to help every at least I think the the board as general try to help everybody but there's there's laws you have to go by you just can't grant
everybody variance because they want it i mean that's why they have the zone A and the state's trying to stop any building in the zone A future building in the zone A just to protect the ponds and drinking water i disagree if you can try to
if you do want to propose it tied in and y come back and see if Yeah we'll have to do that for his if if he wants to do it we'll do it on the revised plan for his septic and just show a bathroom in the garage i think that again I don't
think it's not it's not proposed so I can't Yep i don't think we can give you an answer at least if I'm not comfortable any it's a different plan it's a different discussion right ed do you have anything else i know I read through your notes on
a bedroom is a bedroom if it's it it's still an increase in flow whether it goes to a tight tank or a field it's still an increase in flow in its own so just be aware this is a new area that you're going into we've never approved this in the past this
will be the first so expect more to come and it might have to you know you can discuss it between yourselves which way i mean maybe you just don't want to have a room up there at all just show it a bathroom in a garage unfinished addict cuz then it's not to be finished it's
not to be If you want a bathroom in your garage downstairs in the garage be downstairs in the garage no we can still make it cuz I was coming under the slide anyways okay right yeah that was still We could still get there grab an option unfinished cuz that's we can't have it a
bedroom you can't you can't have you I'm sure you understand why that you can't we've all seen it have a bed but you're allowed to have a bathroom we've granted them before anytime you get to a finished room with
the heat and in there it's Yep just like said it's the definition of the bedroom is the bedroom we go in and measure rooms to double check and we've had front porches that were enclosed and now bedrooms because it's enclosed and heated and anyone in here to discuss anything
on this one from the audience okay so we'll make a motion on this one yep okay anybody want to make the motion what and you just have to cite why on the denial
of and the Well if we deny it will it be a certain amount of time until he can come back should they just ask to pull it tonight if they um I'm not aware i think you're just denying it as a tight tank i don't think it Yeah you're denying this plan you can
withdraw or he can withdraw it i mean either or he can withdraw or you can deny it but I mean you're just denying this plan you're not denying everything on the lot you know it's just this particular plan with them we're just denying that TIE tank in his own so I don't think it affects you coming back and trying to say "Well I just want to
tie in the bathroom over here." I don't think you just want to withdraw it it depends if you want tonight we'll let you guys vote on it so we'll make a vote make a motion that we deny the tight
tank with the variance at 4 Ash Street state of reason due to it being in the zone i'll second it any discussion all those in favor i I I again we'll that'll be in writing yep
the denial in writing you do have the right to appeal which I'm aware of within 30 days thanks D thanks excuse me we'll go back to 90 Main Street discuss
discuss um there should be discussion regarding variance to drill a new well um I don't believe anyone is here to talk to this one um so I'll just have Ed bring us up to date on it there was a septic repair
done here yeah there was a septic repair done and they had a proposed well on the plan um as you can see um but they also had an existing well um and I'm not sure why they went to go the
existing well i mean I think the existing well was within 100 i think it was like 80 something um and so they had the option of I think you gave them the waiver but there there was still the proposed well um turns out the existing well is not functioning as much as they
u wanted to i guess the yield's too low so they want to drill a new well um and they had it on the plan um but since they use the existing it was never installed um and the only thing it was it was within u 20 ft of the right of
way and we have a local rag so it's just a local rag it's not title five that says it needs to be 20 um and it's only 10 i'm fine with that i already looked at it yeah yeah so was this like one of the shared ones no
we dealt with before the well is just for like was one of the neighbors like tied into that well in the basement or something at one point i don't know it's probably like I said I we weren't this was before me um and like I say you can see the date on the plan but um I as far
as I know it's just serving that home i think I know what you're talking about this one isn't it yeah I remember that this one isn't that yeah I don't remember this one is out i think it just had that well in the basement so the septic's been redone recently when the house was sold um they just didn't do
the well at the time and it's just a local upgrade there was no abutters that had to be notified it was the And you saw the well at in the basement the one did you see it or No okay it's kind of curious i don't even think there's really even a basement on that house i
think it's almost at home yeah the the only thing I would say that I didn't put in my notes if you're drilling a new well you got to decommission the old one so we make sure we do that okay and the old one's probably just a point i don't even think it's a deep one i think it's just pull out the point they'll cut it off yeah yeah if it's under the house i
I doubt they dug a deep well before they put that on top of it they've been trying to do something there if you noticed there they they were out there messing with the well they got a trench it's not inside or they tried to put one outside cuz there's still a trenches dug right now yeah they're actually putting an addition on it as well okay that maybe that's what they're digging that
addition or Yeah they they tore off the deck there yeah and they're going to extend it out so it was a two-bedroom and they're still going to keep it a two-bedroom but they're going to be two bigger bedrooms it's a really small house i mean sorry all right so that had nothing to do with the Well that's just a little addition
to Okay okay clarify that that is good yeah I'm good anyone else want to talk to it uh I Anyone speak to this one see anyone so just add decommission the I'll make a motion we approve 90 Main Street
bearings from 20 ft to 10 ft off the road with the um note that they need to decommission the old wall second that any discussion all those in favor i I
next on the agenda DNL Concessions LLC 59 Chase Road Dartmouth Mass new Mobile food permit pending inspection i see no one in the audience for this one so I'll turn it to Ed to see where we stand on this permit yeah it's another uh food
truck um they um they don't have a regular um place to do it but they are doing um I guess a fair in May um and they said they wanted to do a year- round permit because they may have other events uh in in in Lakeville so they
wanted the year- round um one so are they already licensed in Dartmouth where they're from yeah they're they're licensed in several towns uh we haven't done an inspection yet so it would be pending inspection um they would have to come out here to do it but everything else is in order anybody got a problem
no I'm good i'll make a motion we approve the new mobile food permit for DNL concessions with a stipulation that Ed has to inspect it and it has to pass before it's issued
second any discussion all those in favor i I I next on the agenda approval of a Betterment loan for 318 Bedford Street in the amount of $35,92056 um here I I'll turn it over to
you on that one is everything uh approved for that one and set uh yeah um everything uh it's actually um it's actually installed street and the esavator is already there
um I just like to explain to the people watching when we do these that this is funds that the board of health got years ago we increased them probably 10 years ago we got more money the state gives us the money to lend to people it goes
right on their tax bills and um doesn't cost the town a penny so this program even though we're doing it it goes on their tax bills and there's been countless new septic systems over the years that we put in because of this and
the town has never lost a single penny on it so anybody watching we're not giving somebody $35,000 we're just we'll lend the town's going to lend it to them so they uh property doesn't contaminate anymore
just add that the superlean factor too right yep but we get paid if they foreclose we get paid yep so I know that was a question in the past like why are you giving all these loans out people go into foreclosure we're not going to get any money back but we do so because if
we don't work with a homeowner and they can't afford to fix their septic we're supposed to condemn the house and we're not condemning houses in town you guys good with it yeah I'm good with it i'm good i'll make a motion that we approve the
Betterment loan for 318 Bedford Street in the amount of 35,92056 second that any discussion all those in favor i I I Okay next on the agenda discussion
regarding our schedule of fees we uh continued this from the last meeting um um Ed had put together a um a new amount that we were thinking of raising them so we could post it on the
website um when we do get to the point this will have to go to a public hearing and be posted two weeks in the paper and have a public hearing to change these fees um I'm not aware of ever changing them since I've been on the board i don't
think we have that I'm aware of which over 10 years um I some of the fees were were really low um that's why I added brought it up to just try to bring them up to the cost of other towns and the cost of the time it takes to permit
and inspect um some of the places we have on here and it's not just Ed's time it's the girls time that have to do the permits and everything else involved with one of these permits so I guess Ed I'll turn it
over to you just to discuss which ones um have been changed and to what amounts so we can highlight it and then maybe we'll post we're in agreement as a board we'll post Yeah as you said we haven't changed it in 10 years and if you look at the comparison we're well below most
of the other towns in the region um but there were three that in particular that was really um out there was one was the for camps it was only $10 um and and that's you know it's it's about 8 to 10 hours of work to to permanent camp and
um we just don't want the board of health we're losing money at the board of health because like we're putting in this time and we're not getting it so we're just trying to make it even we're not trying to we want camps to come to Lakeville it's not like we don't but um when you look at the camps the price of
the fees for camps in other towns it's it's comparable so um that's why we're doing it we're just being comparable with other towns but for just to for a little history back in the day the c only camps that used to get down done there were like our residents okay camps
so we didn't charge it because they didn't really charge the kids a whole lot of money but now that all these other towns or organizations are coming in and doing camps there's a need for it but it's kind of like softball when I ran softball we hardly paid nothing for the fields because it was all Lakeville kids but then when they started having
the travel teams and they started charging more because it wasn't Lakeville kids so I think that was so low because at the time it was mainly just Lakeville kids that went there but now with these other people coming in town there is a need to raise it because I think too the state has new
regulations for camps and they're pretty extensive so we have to go by that and uh and I said these are these are for-profit camps that come they they they're making money off the parents and stuff so they for the fee is really nothing for them to pay for what what they're making i mean not that they're
making huge amounts but they're they're making money and this isn't going to prevent anyone from not coming here or anything they're still going to come here so the three were the camps um the other one was tobacco and then the third one was the almost all the other towns
have differences for new construction and repairs for perk tests whereas we had the same and actually a new construction you're doing it's four holes and two perks whereas repair was two holes and one perk so it was twice the work so we were one of the only towns that really had the same amount
for both whereas most towns had you know a price for new construction and repair and so we're keeping the price for the a repair on the percolation the same we're not changing that at all this is just would be for new lots in town for a percolation test so those are the only
three that we really thought were way out of whack now I got a question on the um on the perk test one says less than 3 hours uh did we charge more when you had a 40 50 minute park rate and you're out there for four or five hours now um we
haven't been too good if if we're out there like 7 8 hours yes we charge more uh but like I said if it goes um 4 hours we often don't charge you know because I it says for 3 hours and if we go that extra hour we it this hassle to go back to the engineer and say "Okay you owe us
another $50." Often we don't end up doing that so okay and it's usually the new construction ones that run over because like you said you're running multiple perks yeah so one you get started at 9:00 am but then the other one may not get started till 10 10:30 and that's the one that usually runs
late so almost 90% of the ones that run over on new construction and also over the years we've changed our um rate which we allow new construction it used to be 20 minutes I think way back it was at 30 and now we went to the
state rag of 60 minutes an inch for the perk rate for construction yes um so that's why people that are perking some of the tough lots in town that never did it's Yeah you're out there for Yeah you could be out there six hours just running one yeah we went out in the dark
i think the latest was around 6 p.m and it was dark out we had flashlights like doing the thing so there are perks that run light like that and then like I said oh it's it's it's just only fair like I said we don't want um the rest of the town's people to pay for the board of health for some guy who's doing a new
construction lot it's just that that way the the price goes on the person who's buying that lot rather than the whole town is the idea okay yeah the residents I'm not that concerned about existing residents but that's fine that's fair yeah yeah but like I said if your system fails you you'll have the same price it
doesn't go 150 right so there's the three areas that have changed um the perk test fee which was all just $150 for 3 hours or less um we're proposing to leave it as $150 for the repair but
new construction um will go to $300 for the perk test fee the next one is the tobacco fee uh it is right now at $30 for the inspection um to do the and that's every year we
have to do tobacco inspection per regulation and again with there are a lot of new state rags where the you have to check the department of revenue um they have these box things on them and it's it's a fair amount of paperwork that Fran does most of that I don't really do much of that but and then um
we also do the u tobacco inspections we do one tobacco inspection per year as well and And that's on the underage person you're talking about or is this um there's two there's two types the underage person which is we're going to get the um the Mass Health Officers Association that'll be done by someone
else but we the board of health um someone like myself will still go out and do a regular tobacco inspection which is more to make sure the signs are up everything you know it's behind the counter things like that rather than um the compliance checks for the underage buyer that fortunately we got that done
for free so we're not actually um that's not costing us any but that's a separate entity you But now the compliance checks are mandatory correct you have to do compliance every year um and they they wouldn't get a fee for that when we used to have to pay to have somebody go do
that so that would come out of that so that 30 didn't even cover the fee to even do that compliance check that we have to do every year right no so we were already backwards and mo most inspections are at least $50 so a $30 fee you're right off you lose the money
you know okay and those were the three that were really out of whack like some of them were even a little higher than some towns and some of the other stuff so like well permits and stuff but but those three definitely needed to so that they need to be increased right the tobacco fee like I said it was $30 we're
proposing to increase that to $75 which would be the yearly inspection of ED of a the tobacco permit and the yearly compliance check yeah the permitting and stuff the permitting plus the compliance check is all in that fee
and the last one is the camps which we talked about um they were previous at $10 and we're proposing to go to $150 per camp um just because of the paperwork
um and everything involved with permitting the camps and inspecting them and those are the only three yeah i mean unless you guys feel there's something else out there no I think you caught I think everything good and I think the changes make sense i mean we're not
asking any I don't think we're asking anything crazy right you know how long it takes to do everything so you would know if anything else should be you deal with Well we I asked Larry and Fran too and then that's what we came up with just it's just history okay
so I think they're reasonable i don't that they're along with all the other towns it's not like we're doubling or anything from where any other town is in the surrounding towns you've listed six other towns around us on this
spreadsheet anyone want to talk to this one okay so I'm fine moving forward if Right i'm good with it too um so we'll do we want to add other is there anything else we wanted to add to that
because we have to do a a meeting for this right a public hearing for this right but first we should post it so everybody can see exactly what we're talking about i'm just saying was there anything else we wanted to do if we're going to do a public hearing stuff is there anything else that we came up with you guys oh for the public hearing i
thought about doing this you you know any things so the public hearing would be in May because we know we don't have time to do it for the next meeting so okay we have to do it the first meeting in May before we go forward with posting it I didn't know if we wanted to add anything else to it if there was anything else
that came up since our last meeting I didn't think of anything i was just bringing it up like you said now is the time if we want to change anything on our local rags but we're having a public hearing i don't know if
we we can push it off too i mean it's not urgent that we change these fees now if you want to push it up to June or July 2 that's fine no I if there's nothing to change we don't agree i think we we're I think we're in agreement there's nothing else we can think of right now so let's just do it i don't like adding regulations we don't have
the camps down i'll make a motion these don't kick in until the Lakeville kids camps are over no um Um Yeah and any local camp if a local little league or softball wants to have
a camp here in the summer they could come and ask us to wave that if it was a hardship for their organization if it was a a local town organization but yeah they can ask for anybody can ask for anything to be waved
but it's not always given as you can see so anyway I'm all right with those with you guys huh i I'm fine to post it in the paper and go forward with having a public hearing um are you going to post it on our
website yeah we have to post in the newspaper too right now do we know we normally have another hearing normally we would have another hearing before after this is posted and we tell everybody so people bring their comments and then we schedule the the public hearing right so we got to have one more
meeting to see if anybody shows up to talk about this now we agree these are going to be the fees right so April 16th we'll have a meeting and we'll put that on the thing whether anyone wants to come in and discuss it in May we'll have the the actual public hearing yep so we
don't post this in the paper yet till after uh well we'll we'll post it before the April 16th meeting um because we have to do it two weeks um prior to the meeting and to get on the meeting um so it would have to go like the Thursday
before just the way the the mascet paper runs it comes out on Thursday but that's the public hearing he's just talking about having this on the next regular board of health meeting and then setting it for up for a hear and setting a date for the hearing after that yeah okay sorry yeah so we should just post this
these nut prices we're all good with them get it out on our website and let everybody know on our next meeting those are going to be getting voted on people can come any input they want to put on them and then if we all still agree that that's what we're going to do then we'll
set a date for a public hearing because now we've agreed on prices the price change so we don't even need to I'm going to do nothing we just continue this to our next meeting want to make a motion to continue to our next meeting make a motion we continue it to the next meeting
second any discussion's in favor I I I review and approve meeting minutes as typed for January 8th 2025 all three members were present um it was the open space residential development meeting we had it was the only thing on the
agenda um I read through it and I have no comments on it any either no I'm good make a motion we approve towno board of health meeting minutes for January 8th
2025 as type i'll second that any discussion all those in favor i I all right next on the agenda is announcements uh rabies clinic at Lakeville Highway Barn 6 Montgomery
Street on Saturday April 5th 2025 um actually I will probably reread this this is just on my on the agenda um so it's Saturday April 5th 2025 time dogs 1:30 p.m to 3 p.m cats 3
p.m to 3:30 p.m fee $10 per cat or dog the location is the Highway Barn at 6 Montgomery Street in Lakeville off of Precinct Street it is indoors if it is raining they will still be having it it's sponsored by the Town of Lakeville
Board of Health and the Lakeville Animal Hospital dog licensing additional requirements to obtain a license current rabies certificate spay neutered certificate please note dogs and cats must be at least 3 months old for safety reasons dogs must be on a
leash cats must be confined in a safety carrier the animal shelter will also be open for adoption of animals if anybody would like to adopt an animal from the shelter any comments on the rabies coming from Fed anything on um just you
don't have to be a Lakeville resident to to go there any anyone's allowed okay that one so it's open to everybody um next we've had this one on for several meetings discussion
regarding proposed open space bylaw i've heard nothing since I haven't seen anything either there was a Um the developer sent a letter and um from the lawyer saying that they were
thanks for the time but they're going to move forward with the other option was that sent to us did you get that sent i did not get See I I'm confused because I thought they were actually trying to do an open space cluster zone bylaw for the
whole town originally in and then it turned out to just be that one and I don't know why they're not considering still doing it for the whole town but that's really has nothing to do with us but so yeah I saw Facebook all right so
about it we didn't receive anything if if I did I would have So there's nothing to do on that one then well can you at least look into it I guess for our next meeting yeah I can and just so we can announce it to the because again I've had nothing emailed to me through the select board that it um it is no longer
going forward just so everybody in town would know um cuz there was a lot of discussion on that i know they were trying to buy it there was a whole discussion what was going on with that property so I guess look into that we'll keep it on the
agenda just so we can one more meeting have an answer for the next meeting we can keep it okay the developer did withdraw again i didn't hear that so that's just Yeah I mean maybe there'll be some other information we get when we find out when you reach out yeah we shouldn't be announcing stuff we read on
Facebook we've all learned better than that over the years so I mean the board of health isn't really in negotiations so it was the actual letter that was posted so I mean it wasn't just a me it wasn't just a message i should probably clarify that right it was the actual letter from the developer
okay right so we'll look into that and clarify just so we can get that off the agenda if that is no longer going forward um last on the agenda number 10 discuss recent board of health agent pending items uh or announcements
anything Ed like to discuss with the board or Yeah no there's no real pending items other than um it's just tech season so just spray yourself and mosquitoes will be starting pretty soon yeah pretty soon you mentioned at
the last meeting i actually I saw Plymouth County mosquito control on the roads they were actually um they were actually they do some testing in the ponds to see if they have the larva in there and I saw them doing that the other day they're out there the ticks are out there force ticks are
definitely out there there's a lot for some areas are much worse than other areas and there's differentware species this year correct of the ticks that we're getting yeah now they're they're saying that some people as far as Maine are getting alpha gal syndrome which is from the lonear tick so they're saying
it's moved all the way up there it's still still kind of rare around here the alpha gal syndrome but I mean um lonear lonear ticks are um in this area they're not as prevalent as the deer tick or the blacklegged tick um but they are moving
they're definitely moving into the area playing the birds i'm good i have nothing good good motion to adjurnn second all in favor hi hi hi