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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: x7LVDc_-kAA):
- 00:07:12: Meeting Called to Order; Pine Bluff Waiver Request
- 00:08:00: Armstrongs Explain Request; Bathroom in Garage
- 00:09:07: House History; Bedrooms, Bathrooms, Septic Design
- 00:10:11: Clarifying Bedroom Count, Past Designs, and Code
- 00:11:16: Measuring Foundation Distance; Three Bedroom Consensus
- 00:12:05: Zone A Restrictions; Guest House Usage Debate
- 00:12:53: Full Bathroom, ADU Discussion, and Buyer's Plans
- 00:13:41: Regulation 2.1 Explained; System Suitability Reassessment
- 00:14:45: ADU Determination and Permitting Requirements
- 00:15:18: Prospective Buyer, Board of Health, and Regulation 2.1
- 00:16:06: Waiver Alternative: Upgrading Septic System Costs
- 00:16:54: Tank Upgrade vs. Pit Issue, Existing Codes


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Good evening. It's Wednesday, April 1st, 2026 at 6 p.m. during the Lakeville Board of Health meeting to order. Is there anyone in the audience recording this? I see no one. Lake Cam is recording this and will be available.

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First on the agenda, 13 Pine Bluff uh meet with the homeowners are requesting a waiver from uh Lakeville Regulation 2.1. Um I guess I can turn over to you guys unless you want Ed to speak on it first. >> No,

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>> no, we can go ahead. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Uh my name is Joe. >> Okay. Thank you. Joe Armstrong and uh >> we live at 7 Pine Bluff in Lakeville and uh we're uh asking for some guidance

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on uh 13 Pine Bluff. Uh we've lived at 13 Pine Bluff uh for since 2014 and uh we last April we moved down to seven Pine Bluff and uh 13 Pine Bluff is

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now for sale. So, uh, we, uh, we got a, uh, an offer >> and, um, the offer, I'm not sure if it's contingent, but they said they would

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like to get some information as to whether they could, uh, put a bathroom in a garage, one of the buildings. We have three buildings on the on the property. Um, so that's why we're here. Um,

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>> so the house that it when we moved in at >> this, this is my wife, Cynthia. >> Cynthia Armstrong. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Of 7 Pine Bluff. >> Okay. >> Um, so when we moved into 13 Pine Bluff, it had three bedrooms and one bathroom.

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So the the small bedroom that was downstairs, we turned that into a bathroom. So right now that house only has So it has two bedrooms and two bathrooms. >> Yeah. >> Um and I guess the septic system is approved for >> designed for

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>> designed for three >> bedrooms. >> So um the lady that wants to buy the house, she had written a letter to us and said she'd like to potentially be able to host her sisters when they come to visit and host them and have them

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stay in the garage, which is already finished. It's finished. When we bought it, we did put like um a mini split system in there. Um I think there's pictures in the packet that Joe included of the garage. It's the pictures that are all like tongue and groove finish.

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So, it's pretty finished as is. And it doesn't have water in it, but it has heat and AC in it. And she that's the building she'd like to put a bathroom in, >> which would then make that the third bedroom again. So, that's what you're really for. you can have 20 bathrooms.

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We only care about bedroom count, >> right? >> So, so basically now you're asking to put back a third bedroom that you had before, which is a question. >> And the only reason it came to us is because when it was originally designed, you didn't need 330 gallons a day

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>> for that. Well, at least the only reason I care about it. I I'm fine with it staying three bedrooms. My only question would be if how these guys want to handle that the design um isn't the the current codes for adding or for having

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three bedrooms now that it got taken off and it's coming back again. >> Yep. Yep. >> So that's the real question that you know we have to I personally am fine with it being three bedrooms. >> Um and uh Derek knows the material out there. He says it's all sand and your

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way out of the water. But um I'll let them talk. But you know, those are the you know, it's either a yes or a no or an upgrade. >> And but um Ed said that you he went in there and you know, everything's legit. You guys aren't trying to say something was a bedroom that wasn't a bedroom.

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That he believes it always was a threebedroom. Um so I'm comfortable with that. I wouldn't trust him, but I'll believe. I was just going to say our last one, but I was going to say something else. Oh, I did measure cuz I

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saw something somewhere about like from the foundation to the tank or something. Lakeville wants 10 ft. >> 10 ft. >> So, I measured it. It's more like 20 ft. >> Okay. I don't know how that'll work. So, >> all right. Um, so again, I'm kind of

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with Bob on it. Um, with the bedroom, I don't I don't think there's a question with the bedrooms, even though you turned one into a bathroom. >> I mean, the title five, >> the design plan says 330 back in ' 81, and you've had two title fives that say threebedroom on it.

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>> So, I don't think that's a question, at least for me. >> Mhm. >> Um, and we we have allowed you fully in a zone A, so there's no increase in flow. So, we can't let you increase. Um, but we have allowed to take a bedroom

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out of the house and add it to another spot because you want to actually make that a bedroom. I mean, you just >> It sounds like she wants to use it as a bedroom to host her. >> Yeah. >> Guess >> put in a full bath with a shower and everything, not just a half bath. Like >> she didn't I don't know the details. She

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just said a bathroom, but I don't know the details of what she exactly what she has in mind. I mean, the letters that she wrote is in here and she talks about her sister's coming to stay. >> So, I imagine and it says a guest house type thing. It says in the letter, right? >> Yeah.

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>> So, I would imagine it's um it would probably be a bathroom for them, but also to stay. It sounds like >> I don't even care about it being a full bathroom, honestly. And I don't care about three bedrooms. The only question to me would be is is it wasn't that's not from what Ed told me, right? That's

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not designed for 330, though. Correct. Correct. It says 330, but if you do the calcs on a pit, it's only like 230. >> Yeah, it was like 238. >> But back in 81, they didn't do it the way they do do it now. >> Yeah. >> Um, but it it is still working passes

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title five. >> Well, that's why I don't remember that. I was in high school in 81. >> So, the regulation that Ed highlighted um that you need >> the Yeah. 2.1 you need a waiver for it

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states any addition or modification to an existing structure shall include reassessing the septic system suitability and upgrading with respect to the most recent state and local minimum requirements especially as pertains to the latest application rates

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and including any change in use. Um, so where you're taking a bedroom out of the house and you're adding it now to a different building, like you're turning a garage, I mean, I I think that falls under a modification

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cuz you'd never be able to put a bedroom back in your house now cuz you you're taking the bedroom out. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. It's going to be into this garage. >> Yeah. Um, and I guess the other question I would have by doing this,

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does that make it an ADU? Are we talking about an accessory dwelling unit even though it doesn't have a kitchen? >> Right. Right. That I don't know because >> I don't know. >> I think you need a kitchen. >> Exactly. Her plans are >> to make it a separate livable place. You'd need to have a kitchen in it.

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>> So, no kitchen is not in it. >> No, I'm 99% sure, but we can check with Nate tomorrow. So she I don't really know if what her plans are down the road. She didn't tell us that. But so she's just asking about

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a bathroom. >> Well, we have laws that you can do that now. The law passed a few years ago, last year that you can have an ADA, >> right? Right. >> But then there's different permitting. You'd have to go through the building department and everything. That's not through us. >> No. What we're looking for is the board of health today. Right. So we could tell

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>> tell the uh >> prospective buyer >> perspective buyer that Yeah. to go or no, we have to do this and >> yeah because I think she called I don't know who did she talk to you Ed the anybody a realtor or the prospective buyer?

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>> I don't know the realtor did but I don't I don't think I ever spoke to the actual buyer. >> Yeah. So I think when she called and may have said you know she's looking at buying the property and wanted to put another bathroom. I think they said you said or someone said >> yeah I said it didn't it didn't meet the

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330 which the regulation 2.1 right >> so if you were to have three bedrooms there you would need 330 gallons based on our regul that's not a title five regulation that's our regulation >> and since it didn't meet that I I said you would have to go to the board

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>> Yep. Yep. Okay. So, you know, one way to get around asking for a waiver, you could just upgrade the system to a new system and then you wouldn't even need that waiver. So, that's always an option, too. >> So, Ed, did you want >> to put a new system in, >> right? Cuz then you don't even need this

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waiver. I mean, basically, you just put a new system in, >> right? So, we don't we're not really looking at cuz that's probably like who knows how much. >> Although, we do have a friend that >> you're just outside 100. >> So, Ed and the tank is there. 400 ft.

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>> What's designed here, it's pretty close to that as far as the tank is the pit wasn't put in the right location. Um, see, the yellow sheet that Derek has, >> it shows the um actual location of the pit. So, um, >> but the tank is like pretty close to that. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. >> Do you think we could just upgrade the tank? >> Would that cover it? Well, the the the >> it's the pit that's the undersized. I mean, the tank is usually grandfathered in. I mean, it's only 1,000 gallons, but

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like you don't u you don't upgrade that until a failure. But with our regulation that says, you know, >> specifically for loading rates, it didn't meet the loading rate. That's why that flag didn't >> Yeah. And I'm just trying to backtrack cuz if they had known this, if they

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hadn't pulled the bedroom out yet and just wanted to move it over there, then they we probably would have just let them said, "Yeah, leave your bedroom, move it over there, and and that's not a bedroom anymore." And I don't know if we >> have we made anybody. >> I think I still would have flagged it.

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>> Yeah, because like I said, that regulation says, you know, >> change. That's a change, you know. I think the biggest thing, like you said, we've let people have bathrooms before in the zone A um and rooms, but we specifically needed it's not a

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bedroom. Like I know a couple of the ponds already pop in my head we've done this with. And when we don't allow vendors, >> um, that's where I'm I would think I need clarification from me maybe just to see if it falls under an ADU

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because that's a whole The