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Good evening and welcome to the April 6th City Council meeting. If you join me for a moment of silence in the Pledge of Allegiance.
To flag, of the United States of and to the father of the city. And. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Okay, Miss Orlowski, roll call, please. Chow Volk. Here. OU. Clear. Here. John Brummel here. Dan Wolter here. Joshua Lee here. Okay, we'll move on to item three. This is citizens comments. Opportunity for anyone
to address the council for up to three minutes. Okay. Seeing none, we'll move on to additional agenda information, Mr. Miller. Nothing to nightmare. All right. Right into number five. Recognition and badging of our new firefighters. I'll turn it over to our fire chief, Mike
Meyer. Good evening. Mayor. Council members. It's my pleasure to introduce 13 firefighters who joined the fire department march of last year. These individuals represent the pivotal chapter in our department's history. And
tonight, we're recognizing their transition from probationary status to permanent members of our team. So, as I say their names, I'd invite their them and their families to come forward. So firefighter Kyle Johnson, Ben Fleisher, Nels Fredrickson,
Ashley Hellyer, Lucas Churchill, Devon Kominsky, Steve Grass, Dom Zelensky, Derek Stepanek, Aaron Eicher, Matt Woodford, Steve Higgins and Jacob Coughlin. So
as they assemble up here, this group has successfully navigated the first year of probation. Their training included a four week academy as far as the BLS Academy, a joint academy through four cities. Not only did they complete that academy, they had specialized training. As far as Fire inspector, water rescue,
and then they've also done further beyond that of growing on their education for fire instructor, fire officer certification. And several additionally went after their child passenger safety technician or car seat install.
Uh, a lot of that these firefighters have been instrumental in our department strategic transition into a hybrid staffing model. Their presence has allowed us to consistently staff two engines, which significantly improved our operational readiness. They have not only embraced our
department's culture, but also dedicated countless hours to delivering training that has elevated the skill sets to our entire staff. So I want to thank them for their dedication to the city of Lakeville, and to look forward to their continued service to our community. And I'm going to pivot to do the oath with them.
Very good. I'll ask the firefighters to raise your right hand and repeat after me. I state your name. I do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the
United States. And faithfully state of Minnesota. And faithfully discharge the duties of firefighter. Firefighter of the City of Lakeville in the
County of Dakota and State of Minnesota. To the best of my judgment and ability. So help me God. If your family members want to pin your badge on, I see
Summer. Got them on. This is a mixed group. We have some internal candidates and some external candidates that are
receiving their badges. I think we got it.
Okay. Very good. Council, any comments you'd like to? Yeah, yeah, well, I'll just say this. I mean, for those new the city, we want to welcome you for those who were internal. Um, thank you for taking the next step for our community as we kind of move
into this new phase of the hybrid department, obviously been working for almost over a year, I guess, but the fact that this is kind of the, you know, the stamp, if you will, on on where we're going as a community. So we're so excited to work with you and to support you and again, to your families.
Uh, thank you for the sacrifices that you do allow your spouse or others in your family to serve our city. We're grateful for that and grateful for all of you. So welcome. We'll have you guys come through. We're going
to shake all of your hands. Yeah .
That's. Thank you. I'd like to give him a round of applause. Thank you. Guys,
everybody. Yeah. We'll give you guys a moment to kind of exit. Thank you again. We won't make you sit through. It's only a
barnburner tonight, so. I, I. Yeah, yeah.
It's like. All right, we'll turn it on to our next item, which is a proclamation for Arbor Day and our city forester Zach Jorgensen
will kind of give us some background. And council member Burma will read the proclamation . Excellent. Good evening. Mayor, Council. Um, my name is Zach Jorgensen, city forester of Lakeville. Uh, just here with a brief introduction for the Arbor Day proclamation for. Is this
better? Yep. There you go. All right. Sounds good. Thank you. Good evening. Yeah. So, Zach Jorgensen, city forester of Lakeville, with just a quick introduction for this year's Arbor Day proclamation. Um, Arbor Day, of course, is a celebration of our trees and forests and all the benefits
they provide in our community and to the residents of the city. Uh, so this year, um, Lakeville is recognized for the 33rd year as a Tree City, USA. Uh, we also again received the Growth Award for activities for community forest management in the past year. Uh, a few of the
things that we we included with application were Grace Benson, our forestry technician, received Isa certification this year. So she is a official forester now. Um, we also, you know, up to our maintenance of recently planted trees. So we actually got out and structurally pruned about 200 of
our new trees this year. Uh, as well as had our seasonal forestry staff over the summer last year, maintaining 750 trees that were planted just in the past couple of years. So a lot of work on that to get those going. And then, of course, you know, continuing to seek out additional grant funding for EAB management as we continue to
work through ash borer and the city. Uh, there are two steps required to receive a Tree City USA award. One is hosting a community event to celebrate Arbor Day, and the other is, uh, approving and Arbor Day proclamation. Um, this year's events, like last year, we're
doing our annual tree sale again this year. So we did up our numbers and we sold just over 300 trees of 16 different species around the community for just, you know, discounted price to residents. Uh, that opened in February, as it usually does and closes this Friday. So there's a chance to snag one of the last
few trees still. Uh, if anyone is still looking, and our pickup event is going to be April 18th as part of the Earth Day celebration out at CMF. So that's coming up here quick. Uh, our volunteer planting event this year will be, uh, Wednesday, May 6th. That'll be at Cherry View Park. We'll be
planting about 25 trees. And we've actually opened registration this year for the first time, both on our website as well as the Park and RECs activity page, so folks can find that multiple ways and and sign up to join us. So with that, uh oh. And I will note that tree
planting starts this week. So it's time. Despite the cold weather. You say May 6th, the chair of you.. Correct. Wow. All those people live by their that are really focused on their park. I hope they show up that day. I do too.
Yeah. Excellent. So with that, I thank you for your consideration of this year's proclamation. Great. Councilmember Vermeil. All right. Uh, city of Lakeville proclamation for Arbor Day. Whereas established in 1872, Arbor Day provides an
opportunity to celebrate the importance of trees and forests in our economy, culture, history and future of our community. And whereas National Arbor Day Foundation has recognized Lakeville with 2025 Growth Award
and for the 33rd year as a Tree City USA for promoting community forestry programs. And Whereas, trees provide clean air and water, shade, energy savings, wildlife habitat, recreational opportunities, wood products and
jobs, capture and store carbon from the atmosphere and increase property values. And whereas thoughtfully selecting, planting and caring for a diverse mix of trees supports a resilient community into the future while providing long term community
and environmental benefits for all. And whereas the city of Lakeville will observe Arbor Day on Saturday, April 18th at the Arbor Day Tree Sale event and will continue to celebrate Arbor Month with a volunteer planting project at Cherry View Park on
Wednesday, May 6th. Therefore, the City Council of the City of Lakeville, in support of its community forest, proclaims now, therefore, the Lakeville City Council does hereby proclaim that. Saturday, April 18th, 2026 shall be observed as Arbor Day
in the city of Lakeville, proclaimed the sixth day of April 20, 26. Very good. Thank you, Council member. Thank you sir. All right. Thank you. Look forward to it. Okay. We'll move on to item C.
Just a change in our agenda. It's not actually the proclamation. It's on the agenda. But we will have Councilmember Lee read the Together and Peace Day proclamation. Absolutely. And I'll. Tee this one up real quick. This this proclamation is in relation to an annual event that's
happened in Lakeville for the last several years by and it's a grassroots efforts by several non-profit organizations and individuals that, um, truly just from again, a grassroots effort to get the community together
because we when we do things together, good things happen. And so this is an invitation to the whole community to join in. The festival, which is happening May 16th from 11 to 4 p.m. in Caspersen Park. So the proclamation reads, together in Peace Day, whereas the city of
Lakeville recognizes the importance of fostering peace, mutual understanding and belonging within our community and beyond. And whereas the United Nations has designated May 16th as the International Day of Living Together in Peace, encouraging people worldwide to promote values of peace,
tolerance, belonging, understanding and solidarity. And whereas previous Together in Peace Day's events have successfully strengthened our local community, fostering lasting relationships and vital multicultural and interfaith dialogue. And Whereas peace
building is a continuous collaborative effort among our residents, businesses, faith organizations and schools, and Whereas, celebrating Together in Peace Day on May 16th, 2026, reinforcing Lakeville dedication to being a welcoming and inclusive city. Now, therefore,
the Lakeville City Council does hereby proclaim that. Saturday, May 16th, 2026 shall be observed as together in Peace Day in the city of Lakeville, proclaim the sixth day of April, 2026. And some new this year. I think
it's fun. We're going to be celebrating with Valencia, Spain at the same time, which is fitting considering Lakeville and Nate Rivas plays for the professional basketball team in Valencia, Spain. So we have a real connection with them. Um, moving on to item D, which is our Public Works quarterly
report, and we'll turn it over to our Public Works director, Mr. Olmi. Good evening. All right. Good evening. Mayor, city council members. Uh, yeah.
This is the first quarter report for public works. Go. So I'd like to start off with some new employees. We, uh, just hired, uh, Charlie, Tolga is our new engineering tech. Um, you've
been working in the construction services area, and he's worked eight years in construction. Uh, all across the on the country. Um, big construction projects. And just recently, he's getting his degree at Dakota, uh, Technical College for, um, civil
engineering tech. Um, and right out of high school, actually worked in the art. He was in the Navy for four years. So, uh, Chloe Anderson, uh, she comes to us on a consulting firm in Wisconsin. She's worked there for five years. She also worked for the city of North, uh, our
Fargo. And she got her civil engineering degree at University of North Dakota. And Oscar Gasper, uh, he's our new utility maintenance. One employee, and he comes from us from Apple Valley. Uh, he was a summer help
over there. And then also in Northfield to. He spent the summer in the parks department there. Um, moving on. So, uh, public public works had the opportunity to participate in some AI training for all all the departments and divisions. This
is a training that helped explain the nature of the AI, the common perceptions, mistakes, and looked at overview of general AI in general. Again, common mistakes that are used with AI and then just to kind of review the best practices. And
AI security when you're using those programs. And then also learn advanced techniques and practices for those applications and how to best incorporate that into your everyday workflow. And this is a really good opportunity that we had to, um,
learn AI and then how to, you know, become more efficient in our in our work using the using AI. Um, moving on to the streets division, uh, spring activities are well underway now. The street, uh, spring tree trimming
and removals are complete, and we're moving on to street sweeping. Uh, we're going to be working six days a week now on street sweeping until the whole city is is swept. Looking at priority areas around the lake first, um, and pothole patching
is ongoing as well. Right now, as time allows and weather. Then snow removal. This is just kind of our our tallies over the years of snow that we've had in events that we've had. So
usages. So we're running about average of what we've seen over the last, say, ten years with a normal snow event right around 50in. So it usage was up a little bit from the last two years because of the nature of the snow events and the ice events that we've had.
More like 46. Um, moving on to utility division, um, the biggest project we're working on right now is replacing the filter media at the water treatment plant. The old media is from the original plant, which was built in, uh, 98, so almost 30 years
old now. Um, in the filter, over time deteriorates. It gets clogged. Um, doesn't work as well. So every so often you have to replace that filter media. So we're in the process of that right now. The project is over 75% done. Um, six of the eight
filters are completed. We're working on the last two right now, and we're scheduled to have that project completed by the end of the month. Um, sewer lining project is going to get going here pretty quick. Just wanted to highlight that a little bit, because you're going to see some trucks out in the field. Uh, we're going to be lining about two and a half
miles worth of clay and concrete pipes around the community this year. This is to help reduce the amount of groundwater getting into our pipes, uh, causing potential backups. Um, and getting clear water into our system and, uh, paying for that
that water at the treatment plan. So try to reduce that those costs as best as we can. Um, watering breaks are tracking as, uh, about average for the last five years, we've had so
far. Five water main breaks, um, on our cast iron pipe specifically, and then three services as well. Um, those are the services that go into people's houses, but they're in the the city right away portion. Hydrant flushing is going to be starting up here in a couple of
weeks as well too. So we're going to be flushing all our hydrants. Um, just making sure, uh, hydrogens that are exercised are in good working order. Uh, for any future fire demand flows and then also making sure they're exercised and, um, getting out the, the sediment
that we accumulate over time and some of those dead end pipes. And then moving on to environmental, uh, over the last year, the city has received over $700,000 from different grants, um, through different organizations and the state
agencies. And really, um, uh, happy to be partners in those type of projects. The the projects range from, um, stormwater, um, uh, clean water, uh, clean water, improvement projects and ponds and streams
are to creeks improvements, uh, clearing, removing sediments from from our from our ponds or from our lakes as well too. So a lot of different projects and then also if there's projects for, uh, restoration projects.
Um, natural natural areas as well. So in parks that we've received over the year, uh, this, this winter, we've cleaned out three storm sewer ponds over on 170 in Highland Park, Sky Glass Park and then Orchard Lake
as well. Um, those projects are are mostly complete. We still have a little restoration work to do yet and then move it on to, uh, radar. Uh, River Park, um, phases one and two are going
well. Phase two is almost complete with tree removals and, uh, black, uh, locust stump grinding that recently took place. We did do some prairie restoration as well. Recently, and we're moved on to phase three. This is a multi-year
project and should be wrapped up by 2030. And then moving on to the Forestry Division. Our Forester gives some of these updates already. We are removed 125 trees from our right of way and adjacent lots this winter.
Um, and the ash Tree uh treatment program is going to be starting up here, uh, pretty soon. Um, there are scheduled to be 613 trees that we'll be treating, um, again this year. It's a two year, uh, treatment program. Uh, that number is down
27% from the years prior. And we are continuing to see a downward trend in the amount of trees that will be treating in the future. And then, uh, the city does offer residents the opportunity to use our contractor for injection for ash
trees on their property and private, so you can go to the city's website and check that out for additional information on on getting your tree, um, treated for for ash. Tree. Tree
epidemic. Uh, pest control. Um, so we're working through private, um, ash tree inspections this year again, so that 310 trees were inspected and letters have been sent out to those property owners. This is a this is down from the last
two years as well. Um, we have received really good responses as, as of the date, there's 147 properties have been in fully compliant and work is completed. We're still working with 11 properties on current
noncompliance. Uh, in that process. And then EAB updates and again, that shade tree uh, grant program, um, this is the last year, three year grant that, uh, we're working with. 79 trees were removed and five parks throughout the
communities. Those trees will be planted again in the spring or in the fall of this year. Um, and throughout the community. And that will be the last, um, installment for the for the grant. And then there's another
121 trees that will be planted in parks and various locations. Just replacing the trees that were removed this winter. Uh, through the Oeb program. And then Forestry Division, um,
again, we're through the Arbor Day program. There's our 313 trees that were available for purchase for residents at a reduced cost. Um, that's that number is up from 200 that was available in 2025. Um, there's still a couple of trees left. So
property owners, residents want to check the website. And, um, still take advantage of that. Um, that tree sale. That would be great. And you can pick the trees up on Saturday, April 18th. Um, at this central maintenance facility and then
forestry also was involved with the Home Expo, uh, on March 21st. There's a lot of discussions with property owners and best practices for tree care and maintenance. A lot of questions about Arbor, obviously. And then there is a well, there was a training event
on March 25th, um, at Antlers Park on how to best prune and maintain small trees for residents. That was through the park and Recreation department and then upcoming events again. Day. I just want to highlight that one more time is on
Saturday, April 18th. Um, at Central Maintenance Facility and there is a free garden tool swap that is available, um, through Dakota Valley Recycling that is available. So bring your old garden equipment and swap it out
for a new one. And then other upcoming events. Uh, there is landscape and clean water intro courses that are coming up that are available. There already was one in Lakeville, and I think it was March 12th. Um, but there's
other ones that are available. And then also, if you take the introduction course, you can take a design course and get more involved with how to take care of, uh, or design, uh, Rainwater Gardens and any, uh,
landscaping improvements on your property. There is, grant money that's also available through this program, $400 through the, uh, the coda. Um, Conservation District and then also through
the city. Uh, billing our water resources department. There is also a free paper shredding available. Uh, um, events coming up in Lakeville on April 25th and then Eagan and Burnsville in May and June, and with that, I
stand for any questions. Okay. Council, any questions or comments? Joshua Council. Have a question? Um, the upcoming, uh, cleanup day, I think there's always been a little confusion on the garden
swap. Um, okay. Tool event. So you bring in an old rake. Shovel. And there are new tools available that you just take with as an exchange. With an exchange. Yep. Or is it other people's donated
items that you're exchanging with your own? Uh, I think you you exchange your old equipment for a new, new shovel or rake or something. Exactly. Okay. All right. I think there is. Yeah. A few people were thinking that you were swapping
with people or. also trade items in. Yeah, more like a trade as opposed to a swap for new items. So that's that's a great deal. So thanks. Thank you. Well ones, I want to send a gratitude to the utility or parks or excuse me, public works
for all the snow removal. It was an interesting euro, as they say here in Minnesota. Um, but then also how responsive they've been on when people are, have concerns about, you know, grass dug up and those type of things. So thank you for that. Thank you. All right. Okay. Thank you. Um,
moving on to our consent agenda, uh, anything you'd like to highlight, Mr. Miller? Thank you. Mayor, city council, a couple items. Item six, J and six W are both final plats. And the Heritage Commons area. And these will be bringing some new retail establishments to the area,
which we're very excited about. Item 62 is a resolution amending the dates of City Council meetings for 2026. We've tried out this new format for a while. We need to formally adopt. So basically this is just removing what were the work sessions from the official city calendar
moving forward. And then item uh, double A six, double A is the Dot Commons final plat, which is the final plat for the new fire station. Okay. Very good. Council, anything you'd like to discussion? If not, I'll take a
motion to approve the consent agenda. Councilmember Wolter. I'll move. Approval of the consent agenda. Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor say aye. Aye, aye. Opposed? Okay. Consent agenda passes. Will now move on to seven. A public hearing and
resolution adopting assessments for unpaid special charges. And I'll turn it over to our finance director, Miss Stahl. Welcome. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Members of the council, um, this is our spring certification process. So it is a public hearing. And this is the way the city minimizes our losses due to bankruptcies.
That could happen by certifying these delinquent charges to the property taxes. So what we're covering tonight, our delinquent utility bills, nuisance abatement, unpaid false alarms, and any tree removal charges. Uh, when we sent the letters out in February, we had about 15,000
for the delinquent utilities, 120 accounts, but 11,000 of that got paid off before the this part in the process. So, um, a lot of times and these are the final accounts. So that's when a previous owner moved out and
there's still some unpaid balance. Um, they do have a time , 30 days from tonight's meeting to still pay off these delinquent assessments before they get put onto the property taxes. And that would be interest free as well. So, um,
there's still a window of opportunity that people, even though they've gotten onto this list, they can still, um, make good on the account before it gets on to their property taxes. Um, we did see the utility payments are roughly about the same as we had last spring. Um,
our nuisance abatements are actually more in line with what we had in 2024. And then, um, false alarms are down, and then our tree removals, um, about the same as what we had in 2024 as well. So they're kind of right in line with what we've seen in the past. Um, and with that,
I'll just open it up. If council has any questions on this process. The letters were mailed to the previous owners and the current owners of property. So they're all aware of this. Um, these outstanding balances. Okay. So any questions? This is a public hearing. So I'll open
the public hearing if there's any comments. Seeing no comment I'll move to close the public public hearing okay. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor say aye. I.
Opposed? Okay. We're now closed. Uh, any final comments? If not, I'll take a motion to Councilmember Brummel. I move to. approve the resolution. Adopting assessments for the unpaid special charges. Is there a second? Second? Any further discussion? Okay.
Roll call, please. Sorry, Walter. Hi, Lee. Hi, bulk. I Hillier. I I. Okay. That passes will now move on to assessment hearing for improvements to 214th street.
Approval of resolutions and construction contract for the 2026 miscellaneous project. And we'll turn it back to our public works director. Welcome back. All right. Thank you, mayor, city council members. So yeah, this is a, uh, item for the
assessment hearing for 214th Street and the miscellaneous project, um, award of a contract. So tonight, we'd like to just review the project overview, uh, review of the project and the street
improvements that are proposed. We'll talk about the bid results that we received and the costs associated. Um, it costs, uh, for the, uh, the total project cost. And then we'll review the assessments, um, proposed assessments and, uh, like to call the public hearing. So the
project area is 214th Street. It's in the commercial industrial district. Um, it's just off of Hamburg Avenue, just south of Lakeville Boulevard and north of Canyon Road 70. The project background is shown
here. Um, we originally started the feasibility report back in October. Um, the feasibility report came back to the City Council for acceptance on November 3rd. We had a stakeholders meeting on November 5th. Had that whole day held at
the public improvement hearing on December 1st, and we worked on the plans and specs this winter. Bid opening on February 17th with another stakeholders meeting in March 3rd. And here we are at the assessment hearing on April 6th. Um, so just a
little bit about the project, the need for the project, the 214th Street is in very poor condition based on our OCI ratings. Uh, the project proposed is to reclaim the bituminous pavement that's out
there today. And we'd like to use that as the base area. But this is a full reconstruction. Typically when you do a reclamation, you're only replacing some of the asphalt. And, um, or replacing the asphalt, uh, using that as the base aggregate. But in this
situation, the pavement section is so poor that we are recommending the one foot section of sand to be installed within this section of the road, and then also beef up the base aggregate to eight inches as well, and then pave on new pavement section over the top of
that. Um, and we are planning to urbanize the street consistent with all the other streets within our community. That includes curb and gutter and storm sewer improvements. Um, we are looking at replacing a couple of hydrants out here as well, and then installing a, um,
a isolation valve for the hydrant or for the water tower and the well, this is to, uh, isolate the hydrant and the well from the rest of the distribution system. So we're not cutting off residents or businesses when those items are
in need of maintenance. And then we're also replacing a couple of gate bills along the street as well. So back on February 26th, we did receive three bids for this project. McNamara construction was the low bidder,
um, at 484,000. And then if you look at the project cost with indirect costs, um, including engineering and geotechnical, uh, legal, those type of things and then some contingencies in
there. The total project cost is 651,000, which is a little bit above what the feasibility study had had projected. Uh, we did run into additional storm sewer that was needed out here to facilitate the first center and then the pavement itself. We
found some additional areas that needed sub cut. So we added a little bit beefier section in some areas in the street. But the assessments, special assessments are about what the, uh, were in the feasibility
study. So, uh, taking those costs, the, the cost of the um, can be assessed back to the benefiting property owners. The total assessment per unit, um, is is, um, proposed at
$30,423.60. There are five properties along 20 214th Street that have benefit for this project, two of which are city owned properties. So obviously we're those those assessments the city would pay. So there's three businesses that would be
proposed for, uh, for this assessment. So the city assessment policy does follow municipal state statute for 29. And we do assess 40% of the benefiting improvements back to the property owners. That
includes the street benefit in the storm sewer improvements. Um, the water main and the sanitary sewer improvements are not proposed to be assessed. And those will be paid through the associated enterprise funds. So
the assessment can be paid off in full, um, prior to November 15th. Otherwise interest would be charged after that date. And there's some dates where interest would charge up to the end of this year. Um, but the terms of the assessment are
proposed at 20 year assessment at 5% interest for the assessment policy. And so the assessments would be certified at the county in December if they were to move forward. Um,
we have not received any appeals for the assessments at this time . And, uh, written intent to appeal must be presented to us by the property owner. Prior to this hearing or during the public hearing, any, um, appeals
after this hearing would be invalid. And so if the project were to move forward, um, tonight, um, 214th Street, we're looking at a construction start soon after, uh, road
restrictions in April here. Um, and we're we would have the project completed by June 16th or June 6th. Um, pre-payment deadline again is November 15th. And then certification of the assessments would go to the
county in December. So with that I would stand for any questions and request a public hearing be opened. Uh, I only have one question that the intent is to have is done before the first serve. First center opens. That's correct. Okay, fantastic. Um, this is a public hearing. So if anybody
had any order, the public hearing open, if anybody, had any. Okay. Councilmember Burwell. Yeah, I've seen that. Nobody's coming forward. I'd make a motion to close the public hearing. For a second. Second. Okay, all those in favor say aye. Aye aye aye.
Opposed? Public hearings closed without any further discussion. If not, I'll take one very long.
Move to approve one resolution. Awarding a contract to McNamara Contracting Incorporated for the 2026 miscellaneous roadway repairs and overlays Project. City project 20 601, which includes alternate one for the
Highview Avenue Trail. Improvements to resolution. Adopting assessments for city improvement. Project 2601 three resolution authorizing funding and 2026 budget amendments and fund transfers, and for proposal
with Bron Inter Tech for professional services. Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? Seeing none. Roll call please. Walter. I Lee. I bulk I Hellyer
I. I I'm very good. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, we'll now move on to item C Lakeville 35 Logistics Center, South edition. Preliminary and plat and conditional use permit. And Mr. Strom to tee this up. Welcome.
Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Members of the council, uh, Tom Strohm likewise partners here to represent our project. Um, we're excited to get going on phase two of our Lakeville project. Uh, phase one. Uh, we're currently leasing and having good, good success. So
far. We've got a couple of proposals on the first building. Hopefully you guys are excited about the way that turned out. Uh, we're pretty excited about it. Um, and while we're here to get going on phase two. So here for any questions. Okay. Council, any questions I
mean more jobs would be great. I mean the turf is fine, but go ahead. Very tall tonight. Good evening. Mayor. Members of the council, um, representatives from like wife partners have submitted the
applications for a preliminary plat and a conditional use permit for a one lot, one out lot subdivision. The property is located just south of to County Road 70 or Juniper Way, and north of 215th Street. So it's that, um, triangle shaped piece.
The property is directly across from their existing facility. The property is zoned OPP Office Park, so the preliminary plat includes the one large lot and then an out lot, um, conditional use permit also for the use for warehouse. The site plan
includes construction of 171,000 square foot industrial building. It will be two egress points onto 215th Street. No access to County Road 70. The grading and drainage, um plan shows the
ponding. This will be a private stormwater management system. There is a large wetland that is being completely preserved. There are trees within the wetland that is very common, um, that will all be preserved. So there's no impact to the wetland or to the um, and the proper buffer is being provided in the
OPP district. We require a little higher percentage of open space, 30% required. This plan is showing 46.6% green space. And for tree preservation, um, 70% is allowed. They are below that threshold. However, they
are adding additional trees. We asked for the continuation of the landscaping that's really existing within this wetland. To be continued along County Road 70, as well as along 215th Street. So in the conditional use permit, there's a stipulation to extend that along
this side of the building as well. And then the appropriate building, perimeter landscaping is being provided. Um, as he mentioned, the proposed elevations match pretty similar to the existing building. Um, it's proposed with 96% or greater grade eight materials.
So a smooth precast concrete panel with white, gray and blue accents. Planning Commission did hold a public hearing on this item on March 16th. The applicant was present. There was no public comment, and the Planning Commission unanimously recommended approval. And I'd
stand for any questions. Okay, Council, any questions or comments? Just a comment. I looking at this what what I, uh, struck me and I noticed was the building's orientation. Now, granted, there's a wetland there. And so
even if we wanted to have parallel buildings on 70, it wouldn't have worked. But I'm just glad that there's some diversity in the orientation of the building. So you don't look like you're going through some sort of tunnel. Um, so, uh, and the building looks great, too.
So, um, good project. Thank you. Comments. Well, I'll just say the first one's been great. So we're glad that you're wanting to reinvest again in the city again. So thank you for that. Uh, Council, I'll take a motion to approve resolution.
Councilmember Wolter. I moved to approve one resolution approving the preliminary plat of Lakeville. 35 Logistics Center, South Edition, and two approval of a conditional use permit to permit a warehouse building in the OPP office, Park district and adopt the findings of fact there.
A second, second. Okay. Any further discussion? Not roll call, please. Lee. I volk I Hellyer I. hi Walter. I okay. We will now move into new business, but we're going to
take a five minute break. We'll come back at 648. Allow those who are not on the agenda call today. Call today. If you're out on the you're not on the agenda.
I don't know. Call it a day. Yep .
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Okay, we'll now roll into, uh, our new business hour, also known as our work session. First item is residential interim ordinance, uh, related to housing. And I'll turn it over to Miss Good Road. Give an
overview. Thank you. Um, as a request of the city council, a draft residential interim ordinance has been prepared for your discussion. The intent of the ordinance is. To put a pause in the acceptance
of new applications for residential, to allow the city time to study impacts to the metropolitan councils. Imagine 2050 regional planning document. And its impact on. Our current 2040 Comprehensive Plan, as well as, um, allow is
time to start working on the update of our 2050 comprehensive plan. So the ordinance would apply to new applications for residential Plat, a subdivision comprehensive plan, amendment or rezoning request for the period of one year. As it's written in
draft form tonight, it does include a few exceptions. Um, and then any preliminary plat that's already been approved is already automatically exempted. But a few additional ones that are being included in this draft
include subdivisions which have pulmonary plat approval, subdivision applications for pulmonary plat that have been deemed complete. So those are those applications that were currently reviewing. And there's currently three of them for a total of 120 lots. And then
properties that are currently undergoing the AOA process. In addition, the city has about 1319 preliminary or final platted lots. So if this were to take effect, there is a large amount of lots, both single family and townhomes, that have
either received preliminary plat and are waiting for final plat, or are going through the process of final. You know, the individual phased final plots. Um, plus that additional 102 that are currently under review. So that's the way this draft
stands. Um, staff will listen to your conversation and take any direction, um, for any edits that you may wish to make. And I stand for any questions? Thank you. Just kind of broader background to I mean, part of this was impetus related to what's happening with the legislature
and their efforts. Um, an idea about preemption becomes a local zoning. Uh, when I first had a conversation with staff about wanting to do this, it was a little bit more up in the air on whether or not that they were going to go through with all those changes, and I thought we would want to have plenty of
time to think about how we wanted to react other than what was kind of just in law now. Since then, the bill had failed in committee, but legislative leadership has signaled that they still want to get something done this year. So they could,
in theory, they could go through their rules committee and still bring something to the floor. So that's why I still want to have this conversation. You know, my concern long term is that if we just keep building this year
without having a moratorium, so whenever we kind of do that one year, it kind of puts a little bit more pressure on us to think through our comprehensive plan and how we may want to change things, to react to what has happened to legislature. And
this gives us the opportunity, I think, to put a pause on construction other than what has kind of, you know, met these requirements, plans and so forth, but then we can kind of sit together and work session thinking about, okay, as we approach the comp plan, this is what we want to do. While not having a lot of new construction
happening at the same time, because we may have radically different ideas of where we want to go with zoning and land use based on what the state is telling us. So that's kind of where this is. And I figured it makes sense of work session instead of just bringing it up.
Um. An ordinance to, to us as we're kind of working through this. So that's kind of the background and happy to open up conversation and discussion. And then if there's anybody that wanted to comment, um, we're welcome to do that too. But if
you guys had any thoughts. For me. It's my fault. There seems to be, um, some good examples. Just within our city over the last several years, there's been many
changes. What. Um, has happened in some of our corridors. I mean, you look at Cedar, um, and the lack of a bus line. Um, and to me, that's a big consideration to what does that corridor look like going
forward? Um, because the density plan there was kind of centered around the idea of a bus line or some other transit option coming down. Um, similarly, you're seeing changes in use of office park districts, and, and folks
are just not building office parks in the same way. I think the concern and one of the examples that I keep thinking about is a property near Antlers Park, which in its current form, could be preempted for quite a
large residential facility. And I think that's something that we've heard loud and clear from residents that they don't want there. And I know that there's likely other examples of that around the city as well. So, um.
One other thing that I think is timely is that we have a joint session with the school district coming up, and the topic is growth. And I think, you know, all of us want to think about this thoughtfully, about where we're headed and what are the
impacts of of housing and density and zoning, both from a city standpoint and from a, a school district standpoint? Um, so it I don't I think there is a risk to a moratorium as well. I
don't want something else that I'm thinking about is I don't want this to to feel like a city versus state thing. Um, and have there be some sort of, you know, uh, conflict there because this is, this is important to both
parties. I mean, there's a housing shortage in Minnesota. We all know this. So there needs to be a solution. But I think the issue for me is that it can't be a one size fits all solution. And when we were at the Capitol recently, that seemed to be the direction the the state was going was a one
size fits all. And so I don't know what the leadership plans to do, even if it failed in committee. I don't know what that looks like, but I think that unknown is why we need to think about pausing, um, intentionally here. So.
You know, you bring a good example because of Warwick, for instance, the new law would require us to pick about a third of all commercial land that we would want high density in. So while they give us time to do that, I want more time than what
they're kind of talking about, to be able to say, okay, because we're gonna have to pick and choose where we still think commercial is viable based on kind of the growth and not willy nilly based, because they want to get a good deal on land, for instance. So that's the perfect example of that.
Councilor Wolter, um. Well, I think first off, the discussion at the state level has been frustrating in many regards, largely because I don't think there's any city that's done more to address the housing needs of the state than Lakeville in recent years, in terms of leading a number of
units and permits and all of that. So some of that's frustrating. I feel like what they're intending to do is, is, um, intentionally jabbing those communities that are actually stepping up and, and, um, and contributing, contributing to the solution. Whereas the
legislation exempts those communities that don't have housing going on. And some of the smaller towns. So I think that's that frustration has been very apparent in the in the legislature. I do I agree with what Councilman Councilmember Lee has said to me, this is it's
a good time to take a breather and assess where we're at. I think there's, you know, just hearing from people. I think there is some frustration with the growth of the community and how quickly we've grown and the school issues are very real. And we'll we'll be discussing those in the in the coming months, um,
as well. So I think it's generally a good idea, especially since we've got an, you know, there's still going to be growth going on because there's things that we've already, um, already approved. So I like the idea. Okay. I have a question. Yes.
Um, and I it's just a curiosity. Question. How do how does something like this I realize a year is a very short term, but how does it affect the property values for the current residents? And I don't know who
answers that. I mean, if if new construction is limited, you would think that. Um. Existing stock would increase just based on supply and demand.
Sale price. But I mean. What we already went through this one time as a city, I mean, maybe a little bit longer, but what did it do to the the existing property owners at that time? Does anybody know? I realize there really is anybody
here, but um, and what are. Your I would. know they went up so former Mr. Erickson is saying the property values went up. I mean, mayor council, I think it's hard to say, but I don't think it's it's been rare that
property values have decreased in, in Lakeville, regardless of the circumstances outside of maybe the the recession and zero eight timeframe. So. Well, I guess I was wondering if it was going to like temporarily inflate prices. Well.
I. Um, it could I would be more concerned about that if we didn't have the, the stock or the, um. 1800 lots, number of lots that were still available. Um, you know, if you look just with the ones that have already been approved, you know, it's
probably two plus years, three years worth of, of permits based on our historical average over the past five years or so. So I'd be more worried if that meant that there weren't lots ready to be built on. So are we messing up any
cyclical? Yeah, I mean, I yeah, sure. No, I mean, I think there's probably. I would like to hear some of the negative. No, I'm, I would guess that there's probably some greenfield meeting areas in town that have not gone through any of our
process that we would be delaying for a year. Um, so that would be a negative from the builders probably standpoint, that they would probably be frustrated. So, I mean. It's. Yeah, it would have some
negative on that industry. I remember. I, I'm at the point where I can say ditto because, uh, a lot of really good points have been made, including some of the questions about downside. Um, I
think because of there's this a lot going on, particularly at the state. And I think it does make sense to take a pause, take a deep breath, and to, um, just assess where we're at and how we can respond to, you know, we
have the council, imagine. Three 2050. We have our own comp plan. Uh, we have the state doing things that would be nice to be able to do that. Um, and I'm confident about it because of the 1319. Um, I would also want to manage expectations that say
an a moratorium for a year does not mean construction is going to stop. It's going to pretty much look like it had been for a while. Um, especially right off the bat, because once again, we have 1319 out there. Um, because
I do agree that if that number wasn't at that point, I think it would have have an impact, more of an impact than it will. So I'm I'm supportive of it, uh, because I do think it's a good chance to take a pause. And it is feedback we get from the
community. Uh, quite a bit. And so it offers us an opportunity to just take a breath and see where we're at. Yeah. I mean, I think Cedar Avenue is a really good example to say somebody could come in tomorrow and want to build an apartment where now that there's not transit, it might not make
sense.. When would the years start? Uh, from when we enact the ordinance? Well, so I guess my thought process is. Is that you wouldn't even want to read. You wouldn't want to enact it until it was closer to the end of the
session. I mean, so that you were timing it. Yeah. I mean, I think we probably wouldn't have anything ready by the. probably the first meeting in May is. When I would
I mean, all we could do. Um, it would depend on what the guidance is. I mean, the ordinance or the draft that's in your packet can be ready to go. Um, we had posted on the website after tonight. Um, there is some language in, um, the proposed
statute or this proposed legislation. Who knows where it's going to go that does prohibit. Um. So we wouldn't want to wait. Does prohibit, uh, moratoriums like this. Unless they are already in effect. That's or if it just
doesn't matter, they're going to cancel the moratorium. If it was a week into it. And I'd probably defer to our city attorney on that. At this point. It's not clear how that would apply to an existing moratorium.
I would assume, though it would be not retroactive. It'd be. For yeah, from that day, Councilmember. Lee. I just want to provide one little context just for listening public purposes, um, that your comment, Council member Walter, about, um, just
the legislation. This is not a partisan issue, which is kind of interesting if anyone's following the sessions, there is bipartisan support and bipartisan dissent on on this housing issue. And so I just don't want anyone tuning in,
maybe to the first time on some of this housing legislation to think that this is a council that's talking about a particular party. This is, again, bipartisan, uh, across the board support and, and dissent for this. So that's why we just don't know exactly how
the legislature is going to to go or what's going to come out of this, because it's a very interesting session when it comes to negotiations. Mm. Well, truthfully, I'm the only person here that doesn't want to do this, but everybody is like
fully in charge, ready to rock and roll on it. So I just want to make sure that if we're going to do it then, then it's a timing issue. I want to make sure that we've got the right timing on it so that you get, um, the results you're looking
for. Okay. In our comments. Okay. I think that. Can I ask one question? Um.
Are the different exceptions that are in the draft acceptable? Yeah, I'm comfortable with. That. Yeah, I think that's only fair. Concur. Okay. Thank you. Tina. That's
good I appreciate it. Okay. Moving on to item B water treatment expansion study and homie you're back up again. All right. Thank you. Mayor,
city council. Members tonight. I'd like to present again the water treatment plan expansion study. Um, and see council's direction on how to proceed on normal formal action. Is um requested tonight? This is just informational item, but staff is
looking for council direction. Whether to advance one of the alternatives into design and long range capital planning. Um, our consultant Bill Johnson is here from Black and Beach. Um, if you have any questions for him and to assist on any
technical questions. So again, this item was brought before the City Council at the work session last year, and I eap on August 25th to discuss, um, water treatment expansion and alternatives. Um, tonight we are
again. We're going to talk about all those alternatives, but we've got some updates in terms of the cost and rate impact analysis that was done last year as well. So just to review, um, the water treatment plant, um,
was originally built in 1998. Um, originally it was at 10 million gallons. Um, peak production per day. Um, was improved or expanded to, uh, 20 million gallons per day in 2021.
And then the filters are rerated to 26.5 million gallons in 2015. And that's where our today, with our treatment capacity. So but looking projected wise, we are looking at needing additional capacity down the road, uh, to
meet our full buildout. Um, and projections that um, for, for the city. So in the gap, what we're looking at is the, um, capacity needed to, to make, um, to go from 26.5 million gallons
up to the 33.1 million gallons. And that's based upon population, um, projections that we have within the city, the, the peak, um, factors that are typically used for these type of
calculations and the flow average or the consumption per person, per individual in the city. Um, working on that. So my question is, is first question is, is based on. That okay. No, I think what it meant
council had us had 79,000 for now coming in 2026. I think it's low to say we're only going to add 6000 people in the. next 14 years. So let's say we're at we
get 90,000 by 2040. Is this enough capacity. So there there is some redundancy and some additional future capacity that we are have built into the expansion, um,
projections. So the firm capacity is at 30.5 million gallons per day. That's if we just look at the, um, population projections and we do we are,
um, estimating a need for 33.5, which gives us a little wiggle room there. So so. We're talking about basically if we're at 93,000, then we're maxed out because it's 10%, you know. Over. Right. Yep. And then we got to think about
okay. So then then we have to the conversation about, you know in in whenever we hit that 93 number. Then then we're going to need more capacity. So well maybe you cover this in either of these alternatives. Can we,
you know can a future council say, okay, we're at 90,000. We're going to have to actually expand more than what we had planned back in 2026. There is some opportunity in the alternate one to do additional expansion. Um, alternate two is is a tight site, so there
probably wouldn't be additional capacity that would be available there. Um, but. But technically. So you could still let's say so to get the biggest expansion though, population wise and not cost whatever it's building, the
secondary site. And then if we get over that 93,000, then expanding the initial water treatment plant at another cost to meet a higher demand. , that, that that's that's another alternative that, uh, definitely would be.
In place that. You couldn't just. He just said that this. So meaning you would. Just. No, no, you could do I know. Yes. Or you could do it the flip you could expand. Ben first there and then
eventually build the second one. You decide. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, so yeah there's there's multiple alternatives there, but. It costs more. To write. New Years down the road. Yeah. Exactly. Right.
So and that's that's the biggest thing we like to talk about. Um so again let's see uh again the, the three alternatives that we discussed back in April or August of last year. Um, I was
expanding the existing water treatment plant, existing site. Um, the two was constructing a satellite water treatment plant someplace close along the raw water distribution. Mean, um, piping network. And then three
was just looking at a max de bypass, which would include no treatment. Um, options. At this. Time. We would make accommodations to bypass the plant, which still treat the water for the the EPA
and Department of Health requirements of fluoride and and chlorine. But we wouldn't treat for the naturally occurring minerals, um, manganese and iron that's in our water. So and again, so the two alternatives
that we looked at was expanding the existing water treatment plant, which is shown here. And I Boulevard. And then, uh, at uh, right across the street from the CMF, um, Central maintenance facility next to the Fisher property and the line shown on
the map here are all of our raw water mains distributions that are collecting the water from the wells, bring into the water treatment plant. So again, alternate number one would be to add two additional filters at the existing water treatment
plant. Um, we would have to increase the um. Uh. Higher service pumps, um, to facilitate additional water distribution out of the, out of the treatment plant. Um, making those from a four MGD.
Um, uh. Pumping motor to 14 million gallons per day and then adding a 1.5 million gallon reservoir at the existing plant site as well. And then there are some ancillary chlorine expansion, some electrical needs as well,
to facilitate those improvements . And then alter number two was a satellite plant. This is one of the concepts that we we looked at was to add the water treatment plant and our existing, um, property just north of 179th Street, just east
of the of the well or of the water tower. This is about a 20 zero square foot building. Uh, access will be provided, you know, off of Granby Lane. Um. we that's. Can be either off of Granby or,
uh, Dodd Boulevard. And then the would be a clear, uh, well, that would be constructed at this facility and then a backwash tank as well. It would be underground. So we talked about alternate comparisons, pros and
cons for each of these alternatives. Um, one of the biggest ones that we want to highlight again, is the redundancy aspect of adding a satellite plant, um, to the network. It does provide additional redundancy. Um, and
during and during any, uh, closure or disruption at the existing water treatment plant, it would provide a average winter day demand throughout the community as well. And it does provide resilience as well. Um,
we would be able to push water around to different parts of the city a little bit better than we are today, uh, especially on the eastern side of the city where, um, the existing Water Street plant is about five miles away from, like pilot. Pilot Knob
Road. Um, we do in the summertime, get some reduction of the water pressures in those areas to get some complaints to the water treatment plant. The satellite plant would definitely help that aspect as well. Um. And then water quality wise, um,
alter number one and number number two are the same again. Alter number three where we just have the bypass would definitely decrease the water quality, especially in the summer months. At those peak period, demand, demand, um, time frames. And then uh, operations and
maintenance again. Um, the alternate number one and number three would be more or less the same. We do, uh, have additional equipment in operation, maintenance needs for alternate number two. So that's the the big change there. And then
future PFAS issues, if there were to be additional requirements where we had staff to start treating for PFAS, um, it would be or any other contaminants within our or our water. Um, it would be a lot easier to do. Start with number
two. Um, and work and do additional treatment at the existing water treatment plant at that time. So, um, and again, I just want to stress the redundancy is, is the biggest advantage to the number two, the alternate number two.
Um, can I ask a really dumb question? I really is kind of dumb. I'll ask Justin if, um, if we did 1 or 3. Um, would we give up the land that we have
available? Um, to be able to do a second water treatment plant? And so then we at a future date, we'd be looking for a place to have it. Sure. Um, so staff would recommend that we hold on to that property regardless. Um, in
the upcoming meeting, you are going to be seeing a proposal, um, for some future development concepts on the remaining parcels of that property. Um, which is going to show that we're reserving this property either for public works usage of some kind or for a water
treatment facility. Okay. So stupid question. That's the question.. We all had. It. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. Thanks. Yep. So moving on. So the preliminary cost estimate
that we looked at, um, uh, we refined some of the numbers and gave a range of what potential costs we could incur by each of the three options. So alter number one. The expansion is anywhere we're thinking between 22 and 26 million. The new
plant, uh, satellite plant would be between 37 and 42 million. And the bypass is the cheapest alternative. Um, with no filters and, um, water treatment, uh, improvements at 14 to 16 million. So really, the new
water treatment plant, the delta between, uh, alternate number one and number two, is about $15 million. And that's the redundancy benefits that you receive and the resilience of the ability to push water around to different parts of the city
as need be. So and then we did complete a comparison of our community with other, uh, similar sized cities within the metro area here on the, uh,
results were that, you know, most of the cities our size have at least one treatment plant. There are a few cities that only have one, but I know Maple Grove is looking at adding a satellite plant in the future. So that's just kind of another data point to consider.
How many wells do we have? We have 20 wells. So oops. And then again, so. Uh, can you go back. One more. Yep. So and so utility rates analysis
that was completed last year as well. Um, based upon the costs that were provided, um, back then, the satellite plan, we would be looking at a 5% rate increase between for 2027 and
2028. Uh, assuming a 20 year bond. And for the expansion of the existing plant, we're looking at a 2%, uh, increase in 2027 just for that expansion. Are we able to maybe this is a question for Miss Dahl. Let's
say, you know, if you think about the crunch right now and the economy, you know, people are affordability obviously is a big question. Can we spread that out where we're doing 2 or 3% over a couple of years versus a
big push of five and five or to. Is that impact how we can pay back the bonds? Um, yeah, we did factor in so for we with the CIP, we built it, um, based on the scenario
one with the satellite plant. Um, so that's issuing 35 million of bonds. And, um, you know, we could spread those rate increases out. But again, it's it's all in the timing too, because, um, we're already
tapping into the operating funds for part of the funding sources. So, um, the bonding issues, we could we could, um, it depends how we would structure that. Northland would be a guide on that. We'd have to consult with them as far as can we spread
these increases out. And what does that look like? Um, for the stability of the funds that are helping to. Source this. Yeah. I'd be curious if we were doing three, three three versus five five. and 3.1, you know, whatever.
And that's. Okay. Definitely. Look at that. So. Well, I'm I know this is really goofy and maybe there's a way to do it, but is there like a way to borrow from ourselves so that you're using those, um, the funds that you're going to use
for the fire station, but you're planning on using it for water in the future? I can't remember what you call it. You know what I'm trying to say is, there's no way to wiggle anything so that you pay for it through that
utility. The franchise fees. We definitely structured those to be paying the principal and interest on the fire station. And the first center bonds only. One of the questions I had was
related to the footprint of the current water treatment plant. Uh, seems to be, um, limited by road infrastructure, but I'm thinking about how the fire station that's there now may not be used in the same way in the
future. Does that have the ability to expand our footprint to allow for larger expansions? So if we move to road, for example, or a parking lot. Yeah. Moving a road is is cheap compared to this infrastructure. So we can we can move roads and,
and push things around. Um, you just go back to that. Oops. Go back to that slide of alternate one. So um, yeah. So again the filters would be on the south end of the, of the building. So that kind of, um, it's, there's
really, you know, no impacts to that. Um, uh, the original water treatment plant, um, layout had already envisioned expansion of the, the clear well up in the northeast corner of the site
here. So that's that's already been planned for too. So, I mean, in terms of needing additional property, um, I think the campus right now is, is adequate for, you know, for this type of improvement. So if there was need for part
two of an expansion in 2040, can you expand it further? Um. Well, yeah, that it would be hard. Just like go on to the max with alternate one. It more or less is I mean, we really don't have much room for
additional Clearwater storage up in this area. We are pretty much. I mean, you can move the road down here a little bit. Um, in terms of the, uh, the filters, the problem is we really have to look at the distribution mains coming out of the plant as well too. So those
I mean, the I think the bulk can help me out here, but I think the, the plant was only looked at for one expansion and, and up to a certain, um, gallons per minute in terms of the design
for the pipes and for the, the other infrastructure associated with the distribution system. So that might have to be looked at if we go above and beyond, um, the first expansion up to that 33 million. So I mean, one thing that I
appreciated about the planning of the water treatment plan is that when you're inside, you can see the especially where the filter edition, uh, place. I mean, you can see where the wall is intended to. Be absolutely expanded. I mean, that's exactly where it
was intended to go. Um, so great planning. Um, I don't know how many years ago this building was built, but great planning there. Yep. Um, so I guess I alternative three, I just, I think we've already said is off
the table. I don't think anyone really wants that as an option to just bypass the, uh, the chemicals that we use to make the water drinkable and soft and all that kind of stuff. But, um, alternative one, I I'm really
weighing how much redundancy it is worth. The $20 million for a new facility. Um, because the current one is, has redundancies built in. Not to the level that I think you're your the ideal
is. But I mean we have you mentioned I asked a couple of questions via email and you mentioned that there's already redundancy and power with a generator. There are some other internal things that we can do to to manage some redundancies, but it's not to the, the fullest
capacity that we could. Um, with a separate site. Um, but how much more redundancy is worth that 20 million is kind of what's going on in my head. And, um, I, I just, I can't justify it at the moment. I, I think with the planning that was
already done with this, uh, facility, I'd like to make sure we have that land on hand for additional expansion at a separate site in the future when we. We need to think about that. But there are also other ways we can be thinking about managing peak water. Uh, use when it
comes to policy, um, how people use their irrigation systems in the summer, and we haven't needed to use that lever that much. But I think it is something that we can consider if we want to keep those peak use, uh, numbers down. So I
that's why I think I really am heavily leaning on alternative one. Um, so I don't know other thoughts. Well, can you talk again about and I you haven't really covered this, but when you talk about redundancy. I. Agree with you. Except for site
redundancy and cyber attack type stuff I get worried about. So having a secondary physical site , I can't put a dollar on that. So if you have any thoughts about that. And then the other aspect, you said, you mentioned something about how site two can
pivot a little bit easier for us . Future stuff versus site one. Can you talk a little bit about that? Sure. So for um, for the redundancy, um, again, you know, having two plants, um, as shown
by other communities have our size that have two plans, you know, it's, it's you look at it from, you know, just a site perspective. So if there's a fire or a tornado that would just hit one of our hit the water treatment plan, we would
be down for an extended period of time. At least when you have a satellite plant, you could meet those winter day, um, peak or winter day demands or even the average day demand potentially, if you have a satellite plan. So we're just looking at kind of worst case
scenario type of situations when we get that that satellite plan we do have, again, we do have a lot of redundancies within the plant. But I mean there's it's a mechanical system. There's a lot of moving parts of that thing. So a lot of things that can go wrong on a daily basis. But, you
know, um, there are there are a lot of different things that, um, or a lot of advantages to having at that satellite plant. And it just, you know, it's something that communities our size have always looked at, you know, and at least in the metro
area here, having at least having a somewhat of a backup system, um, if the main, um, water treatment plant were to go down. So that's, you know, that's that's the importance, I think, of the, uh, the satellite
plant now for PFAS, um, it's more of an engineering question. You know, once you get the filters in there. Um, and the configuration just gets kind of screwed up of how to treat it. and where the pipes are. And Bo Johnson can, you know, can address that a little bit more,
but it's, it's it's more complicated, uh, to, to treat PFAS after you get some more of the filters in here. Um, so that's, that's the only thing, um, that we want to know on, on PFAS improvements. So, yeah, sure. Yeah. Hey, Bo
Johnston. Thank you for having. Me here tonight. So specifically related to PFAS, um, that satellites, usually with the PFAS, you have some sort of polishing treatments on the end of a plant. So, um, you know, you're already treating the water and you're putting in
another facility that is kind of handling that, um, handling just the removal of the PFAS. So, um, obviously with the existing plant, you have large flows and the space is pretty much allocated. We don't have a lot
of place to put another, um, building or another set of contactors to remove those PFAS. Um, now, uh, at a satellite plant, we can plan for that a little bit easier, leave a little bit of space if something happens. Uh, now we have the
ability to, um, to to send that water directly to that, to that plant. Um, right now, uh, we have taken as part of the study, we did take a look at your PFAS. You guys currently don't have a PFAS issue. So, um, but there's
a lot of a lot of folks around there that have that PFAS contingency plan on what happens if. And so, um, it would be easier to kind of save space on that other facility for that type of treatment. I'm not an engineer. At all. Or anything, and any of those I
can build a Lego, uh, so let's. Say a. Well, in one part of the city we identify as PFAS. Can we direct that? Well, just it looks like if we only adapt one for us and not the other one, or would you have to have it on both? Well, um, so.
We can kind of take a look at it from a, uh, it's kind of a it's regulated from a blended standpoint. So if you have a, if you have one, well, that's high in PFAS, typically you would treat that one. Well you can that's called wellhead treatment. If you have a number
of wells that have PFAS. Now you're kind of going to a more of a water treatment plant. Uh, treatment. So we would try to direct those wells to that place where you have have treatment. And I think that there was a map, um, all your current wells don't really have it. So you
could isolate that off and send all those wells to your current water plant, because that's where they're going right now. You don't have a problem. Those new wells would need to go to that. That new plant. Okay. Let's actually I told
yeah, sorry. I thank you. I was just going to say, as I read through all of this and considered it, I look at water and I go, this is possibly probably the most life sustaining resource the city offers the community. Um, every
bit of emergency manager in me says redundancy is particularly important for something like this. So I lean towards, uh, option two in having a satellite system simply for redundancy.
And, uh, you know, it's the mayor alluded to a cyber attack or something, or any kind. And you now have two places that that are going to be more redundant. Um, so I favored alternative number two. I have to say, though, when I look at
the sticker on them, you know, neither of these is cheap. And, you know, it's it's so it's at first my first glance, it's like, well, it's only 15 million more, but well, that's a lot of money. Um, but I do think that whatever we do, uh, it's going
to be cheapest to do it now, whichever. I mean, we can't do both. Um, I really appreciate I appreciate the question earlier about population growth that if we did do two sites and our population still grew beyond our wildest expectations, we have
the ability to add on to one of those to address that need. Um, and that's going to be obviously be more expensive in the future. So I recognize the cost. I think that, uh, whichever one we're going to do, we're going to have to take a good look at the
projects that we have going at any time. And I figure it out, but I, I favor, uh, simply from a redundancy and a security standpoint, I favor alternative number two. Councilman Lee.
Just going back to your comment about where it's easier to build. But if we didn't have that second site on the table at all, are you saying you can't fit that facility? No, I'm not saying you couldn't fit the facility at this. And we did do a study. Well, it was a
it was a technical memorandum specifically saying, what what do you do if you have PFAS? Um, and we did we did have a alternative that would convert some of the space in the back. You can kind of see up in the top of that that could convert it to this additional PFAS. It
will be tight. Um, you, you you could do it. You could put some sort of treatment on there. It would just be a very cramped site. On on where we were. Where we would be. But, um, we do have options there. I think the point is it would just be
easier at the other site. Sure. I just I also don't believe we're completely landlocked in our current footprint. Um, there are I mean, it takes some negotiations and some movement around of things, but, uh, this isn't the the borders here are
not firm. We could figure out other ways to make this bigger, too. But I. Really want to build. The middle school the other side of the road. Just to be clear, though, I think what Paul was saying earlier, though, is while we could, there's a limit to how much span that can leave the
site. So we could buy new property around there, but that doesn't necessarily mean we could produce more water out of it. Right? Well, and just to be clear, it was more in relation to the PFAS, which isn't really increasing your capacity. It's just another type of treatment that you would need to build on top of it. Right?
Yes. Well, in. Plus it also has to go into what. the levels of PFAS are. So you have 20 wells right now. Majority of the wells I think there's a couple of wells with some very minor. Low level below.
The regulatory levels right now. So there's some there, but it's very low levels. Right. So you have to look at it from the effluent after everything's kind of blended together and it goes out the plant. Now if you have a large plume that is in some
wells that can add some stuff up or that can increase the, uh, PFAS on the back end of the plant, then you have to put the treatment in. But there are other options. There's wellhead treatment, putting it at the well, treating that directly, then putting it into the system
and bringing it over. Um, typically that's pretty expensive. Um, I know that Woodbury put in some. emergency wellhead treatment while they got there. Well, while they got their water treatment plant up and running, but it is, uh, it
is kind of an expensive ordeal if you're dealing with it on that. End. Councilman Wiltshire. I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't complain about the the need to, um, um, that we're planning for, you know, three
days a year or whatever at that peak usage that that it's the whole system is built for when that first graph you showed, when all the usage is well below that, we're all just preparing for that really hot day when everybody's watering their lawns. So I, I, um.
Three months of the year, well, not three days. I mean, it's. Well. I mean, the water goes up. How many peak use days do we have? I mean, how would we when do we get close to that? Right now, we're not close to our peak. Um.
Uh. It'll be a couple more years, but, uh, it all depends on the weather, obviously. So we could have one, you know, the last five years, six years, we've had pretty mild summers. I mean, that can change on a dime. And we could be, you know, maxing out our plant on a daily basis
really quick, so. Well. That's. Just, you. Know, that's just a general frustration. I wanted to broaden it. So that's okay. I, I will rebut during your remarks as well. So um, so anyway, that aside, weather disagreements obviously
on on that topic, I think, um, regardless, I think we should look again at restructuring the water rates to, to incentivize less water use. I hate to raise that issue again, but, you know, you've got a lot of people
watering a lot of lawns. Yeah. And that's driving up the rates for all of us. And there's and we can't just flip a switch and turn off irrigation. We have our ordinance on when you can water and not. And you know, half the people live by that. Half the
people don't know it's there. And so anyway, I'm just that that's my little opening vent ventilation here. But um, and not to muddy the water, but I think I agree with, with, uh, John on the redundancy piece. Um, I mean, we're in weird times. I don't think you can can
articulate how valuable that is. Um, and, um, so I'm, I'm leaning towards that option, I think. But what's our. Sorry? What is it like our our time? Um, because the reason I, I'm asking this question is if we had a little bit of information to
think about one, if we tweak rates a little bit based on what you're saying on usage, and then do we. See how much I mean. Or look. At it. Yeah. Look at we look at it under a new system. And then also looking at spreading out the 5%
over maybe a couple of years. I mean, do we have enough time to have that conversation or what's like our. Free raise rate? What is our conversation timeline? That's fine. I mean, I mean, if you, um, we could we could talk about that over in the next few months. I mean, our, our goal
was to try to get, um, you know, something designed this fall and potentially build 2027. But, I mean, I think we still have some flexibility in our schedule to accommodate, you know, and look at those questions. Yeah. I wouldn't slow down any of the design stuff. I just
think it'll we'll be able to have a better answer on financing. And they have to slow down the design stuff unless we tell them that we're going with an alternate and then keep going and then, yeah, have a
conversation. Otherwise they have to slow down because they have no idea if we're going one, 2 or 3. Yeah. I guess for me, no matter what the like, I'm okay today with the redundant site at the five and five, I'm just trying to think, how can we ease this
water users? So that's why for me, like I don't see it slowing down. It's just at the same time, can we parallel track conversations about the financial side of things and the impact? Yeah. Mayor and council, we can we can probably get back to you pretty quickly on the the rate side of things. Um, the what
might be a little bit longer of a discussion. We'd have to talk with Northland on that. Who also does the water utility rate? Um, structuring those tiers. That might be a little bit. More what I guess. What if we don't even. We can come back to you and probably in the next month, I
would say on the. Yeah. I guess, you know, how do you how do you break up the 3% or 3.5% a year amongst the higher tier and the. Yeah, we can I think the models set up to where we can play with that. We can okay, we can come
back. So I'm leaning I'm leaning towards it's cheaper now. I realize it's expensive. I don't. But I'm to to build on the second site because we have it. It's a great location for it and
it's a great place to have the redundancy. And it plans for the future in case we get even bigger. I and I have a feeling we are so. I'm you're kind of still at the same spot.
Yeah. I'm not gonna end up agreeing with you all on that one, but, uh, it doesn't happen very often, but it's okay. Yeah. So I think keep down the road on two, and then we can continue having conversations about the financial impact on
ratepayers. Very good. Okay. Thank you. The direction. You get to stay because now we're going to talk about the other largesse. You want to spend money. On. Yeah. Paul. Yeah but that one is. Needed in all of his requests at one time.
Get them all done. I do have another power. Point. 57 million.
Right? That's coming. We got. It. Okay. All right. Thank you.
All right, all right. So this is, uh, I'd like to talk a little bit about our central maintenance facility needs study that was recently completed. So, um, just the little background
on the facility itself. So the central maintenance facility was constructed in 2002. Uh, building size is 100 and a little over 109,000ft². Um, the CMF does, um, how's the street division? Fleet division, Park
maintenance, forestry? Uh, services employees, and then the construction services, uh, employees as well. So with a total of 46 full time staff members to date. And then we expand that to another 30 additional 35 seasonal during
the summer months. So the CMF needs study. Uh, there was first, CMF study was originally completed in 2016, and we recently updated it this year just to take it, uh, take a look
at, um, how things have changed. Um, the study did include, um, our current study did include the current operations, how we, um, um, what's what's the operations that take place at the facility? The fleet inventory. We looked at deep dive into that. The facility
conditions, um, the building is getting a little old, and then the future community growth as well. And so one of the key assumptions that we've made was the that the maintain, um, all the operations from public works
and parks, the services would be maintained as current levels. We're not going to be, um, moving up or down on the service levels or that was just our, our baseline. And then our goal is identify long term facility improvements to support those
operations. So, um, looking at the city again, talking about growth from 22,002, population back then was right around 45,000. Today it's like 78,000. So it's about 73% growth. Uh,
again, the the street lane miles, the centerline miles we have are at 210. Back in 2002. And now we're at about three 335 6% growth. Their plow relative almost have doubled. Park amenities, park uh parks itself
are up from 41 to 73 right now in growing. And then, um, you know, park acreage as well to is is up about 80%. So, um, a lot of growth that's happened over the over the time and looking out into the future, we still
have approximately 30,400 acres of developable land that's out there, not including any annexations at this time. So there's still a potential for a lot of growth. And then we are assuming a full build out in
2040. So what we did look at, uh, again, was the current facility. And that, uh, what's what's happening at the facility. So vehicle storage, um, where we house all our vehicles is, is undersized. Currently our operations where
parking, um, vehicles specifically most of our a lot of our pickup trucks in the drive aisles over, over the night. Um, just because we're out of space or parking them outside, um, and obviously parking vehicles outside, um,
does increase some of the, the maintenance issues and longevity of those vehicles, parking vehicles in the drive aisles. That can be a safety hazard for the employees to try to get in and out and move, move vehicles around like that. And then also with the loss of the old public
works building, we did lose some seasonal storage there. Um, at at now that we had to find space for. So currently we are renting offsite warehouse space to accommodate most of those. Most
of that equipment. So for the maintenance operations, uh, the feed the fleet, um, um, shop is currently we feel is undersized for the amount of vehicles and the maintenance that's required for our fleet mechanics. Um, and
then, uh, we only have one wash currently right now, which, um, for all the vehicles, especially in the winter months, it really slows down the operations. Um, cleaning and making sure those, those vehicles are, are well maintained and cleaned for the next stay event. And then
looking at the office and lunchroom areas, um, there currently is no security barriers between the reception area and the, uh, the staffing, um, office area. So we like to look at improving that. And then the lunchroom, um, is not very functional right now for
meetings and a joint, um, joint meetings and things like that, gathering areas. There's a lot of, um, changes that should take place there. Um, we did look at a base comparison from, uh, of other communities as well. And
uh, shown here. So, you know, based upon where the city is at, um, at our current spot, we are one of the we have one of the smallest facilities, um, based on comparative to our other cities, as you can see here. Um,
you know, we're we have one of the highest amounts of parks or in park areas and street miles that we maintain. But we have one of the smallest, uh, facilities, um, on this list. Even Rosemont is pretty big and fancy now. is it? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, just toured it. Yeah. It's huge. Yeah. Um. And then, uh, so again, our recommendations would be to increase the size of our indoor storage, um, to accommodate full
fleet, um, storage in, in one location. We'd like to add wash bays, um, to facilitate, um, you know, operations and making sure that we're operations are taking place on a timely basis and not being backed up and, and
lingering for days on end. Uh, adding a sanitary bay for parks for their garbage truck, um, for fleet area. Again, we'd like to add additional service bay for, um, vehicle storage and then a welding bay and fabrication
area, which is our, our, our the one we have right now is undersized for our needs. And then, um, looking at the office improvements, um, so again, we'd like to improve the reception area for security, making sure
there's a barrier between, um, the office area and the public space, similar to what we have here at City Hall. Uh, reconfiguring the office space to accommodate current and future, um, staffing. And then remodel remodeling the lunch,
uh, area to have it a better meeting space. And then we'd like to add additional parking and some minor access improvements on the west side of the facility. So this is a, um, aerial view of what the improvements are proposed to be.
So the big red area, again, is the vehicle storage area. That would be the addition. Um, the the blue area to the south. That's the mechanical, um, bays that would be added, plus the
welding bay area. Um, adding parking to the north east side, um, additional parking area there and then some access off to the west by the, by the existing cul de sac. And then I just wanted to highlight this.
So the stalls shown here in green are the stalls that already would be utilized with our existing vehicles that we already have. So 50% of the addition that is being proposed right now is just to store, um,
park the existing vehicles that we already have in our inventory . So here's just a real snapshot of the, um, quick snapshot of the facility improvements.
Again, security out in front by the reception area here, adding some walls, reconfiguring some of the office space here. Um, the lunchroom is shown here in green two, so that better, um, uh, better utilizing that space
for meetings and meeting areas. Um, office or the fleet area again, the, the mechanics Bay, the welding bay is here. Uh, realizing the small, uh, welding bay here for additional service area. And then we, uh,
remodeling the fleet, uh, office area for, for for this small meeting area as well. So I guess the question is, why now the city, you know, again, has grown over 70% since the existing facility was built. Um, we are
in need of additional storage space for existing fleet inventory. The existing facility again, is is at capacity. Um, the loss of the old public works building has reduced our availability for, for storing
vehicles at this time. And then the the city is currently paying to rent off site warehouse space to accommodate some of that storage needs. So the preliminary cost is put together by our architects. Um, is shown
here. Uh, the rough estimate right now is a little over $28 million. Most of that cost is associated with the vehicle storage at 26.1 million. And the associated costs for the other areas is shown as well. So
that's highlights of the need study. And I open it up to any questions that you may have. Thank you. Thanks. Well, I remember going to this my first year in council. I thought, well, I'll never have to worry about that. That's ten years from now. But here we are. Um, so my first question is, Brad,
how much of the first senator are you willing to give up inside storage? That's a loaded question, but, um, I mean, there is the warehouse being built on there,
obviously, and it won't be occupied entirely by police and fire. So there will be some storage, but certainly less than they had in the past. I'm sure. Yeah. Okay. Um, so then my, my well, I'll let you guys start to
I have some opinions about, you know, the office stuff makes total sense to me. The maintenance at all. It's the it's the inside storage that I have a little bit of heartburn and I, I'd like to think about, you know, how do we do everything when it comes to office space, lunchroom
maintenance, wash and then thinking about maybe like not heated covered for the vehicles instead. And what does that look like. And carport, you know, or whatever it is. And um, so I, I don't know if you've looked at numbers in that or what other
people have, and at least where I was starting with it, because for me. A building. Project I've had, I've had, I've gone to lunch there and they definitely he's not kidding. When you talk about lunchroom and all that kind of stuff in office. And, um, it makes total sense to have more ability to
wash Bay and do sanitation and, and maintenance, for sure. It's just that, you know, we would all love heated indoor parking. But when you look at the fleet, I mean, you walk through the aisles. Now our fleet is
maintained immaculately. I mean, the the vehicles, I don't know how old they are, but you can tell that they're well maintained. And I think part of that is because of the facility that they are stored in. Um, this expansion was a lot more attractive when we were talking
about alternative one. In the last one. Um. of course, I have a really hard time. Imagine, imagine. Yeah. Yeah. I know we could do both of these projects as alternative to, um,
that. So that's really my only comment, because I do think that we need this to maintain our assets. Well, because I think part of that is just maintaining the the value of the fleet that we have and being able to repair our fleet and store it. So, I mean, I, I can't argue against
any of these improvements. I just again, go back to what we just talked about, and I think we can pay for it all. Um, within the last budget of. Thomas. $26 million vehicle storage. So is a lot different than a water
treatment plant for 26 million. Do you understand? You do see the difference to the public. They understand you need to treat water. What they will never quite grasp is why we're spending $26 million to keep
everything under cover. So. I, I'm just saying, you know, there's a lot of story that's got to go with that. But one is easier to explain than the other . Sir, did you have an answer
about covered storage versus. Well, I was. I was just going to. Recommend on Thomas Strom said he's here for Immortal Architects. They helped us put together the needs study. Yeah. And maybe Thomas has some ideas on, you know, uh, how to, uh. You know, facilitate, uh.
Some of the questions. That you have here. Thank you. Welcome. Yeah. Um, I do think there's a way to create different solutions for different, uh, portions of the fleet. You know, Paul talked about rotational stock. I think
there's something with a cold storage solution where we could downsize the warm storage and leverage them into a colder storage. Right now, we're looking at getting all of the fleet inside and planning for some growth. Um, I think there's a a pathway that leads us to having all the fleet inside plan
for X amount of growth and then facilitate off or onsite storage at a I don't want to say lesser quality, but a different environmental condition. So I think there's flexibility in that 26 million. But it's such a catch 22 because as the building
gets more expensive, you know, all the rolling stock, it's more expensive too. I mean, you're looking at $650,000 for a plow truck and keeping that outside. But there are but there are things where you could keep the trailers, for example, is a very common thing that we see put
into a cold storage solution. So . Yeah. Well, yeah, I just yeah, I just think there's a lot of stuff that trailers and lawnmowers kinds of stuff. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. And I was just going to
say I looked at this and you read the water treatment one and read this one and you go, wow. Um, but I, I had the same thought. It's like, uh, I don't think I, I totally agree that we don't want these vehicles
sitting outside exposed to the elements, because the first time a hailstorm comes through. Yeah, that's going to be pretty brutal. Um, so I think there's some value in having them at least covered, enclosed, probably enclosed. But whether or not it's, you know, warm
storage or cold storage. Um, I think I think I would look for the cheapest alternative. It's just that we don't get any difference. Insurance rates. Hardly. So, I mean, we're having cars repaired for hail damage. We're having a prepared for hail
damage. Yeah. You got to repair them, knowing if they're sitting inside, you wouldn't be. Here insuring them. There isn't a different insurance rate for them being inside versus versus out. Through impact on insurance. Justin.
I don't know if there's a difference there. Okay. All right. That's just what I was thinking. And then just one thing to point out, um, you know, much like the discussion we had with the water treatment plant, that plant was designed for expansion. This site was also designed for
expansion. So this isn't something that I mean, we've had. I just. Oh. Yeah, the CIP for ten years, right? Um, and it's always been two years out and two years out. So yeah, it's probably about time that we try to figure something out. And I don't disagree with the
idea that it needs to be expanded. And I think we need to protect the vehicles. Well, I think it's more expensive every year. We just I'm just kind of figuring out, trying to figure out if there's a way to do that a little bit cheaper. And that's a big thing. And any other
question I had as I read it, you know, you talked about long term facility needs and planning that, um, and I really appreciated the picture with the green dots, because I think that was really a good visual about how we can immediately begin to use that. But then it won't be
full the second we move those vehicles over there. So I appreciated seeing that. And I just in the back of my mind, I'm going all far in the future, you know, is it ten, 15, another 20 years? Because we will, you know, at some point we'll reach
our critical mass. But I think there's going to be some growth. So I think. You know. We can value engineer the the storage facility a little bit more and. Come up with some options there.
To try to reduce some of that cost and bring that information back to you at a future, um, new business section as well. I mean, I think. Get to the point though, where they have more than one wash bay. That's just nuts, you know? I mean, there we've been putting
this off forever in a day since I first got a our got elected to the no. I agree, I mean, I think we're all kind of think at this point where it's time we've kicked the can for a decade. And so now it's time to do something. It's just how can we tweak it. And
maybe so I think that makes total sense to try to value that up a little bit. But it sounds like we're all fine with the office and everything. It's just the vehicle storage. How would we get more creative with that? Um, and I'll say just one last
time, let's have one more conversation with school district, because they have these needs to I mean, they've balked at that time and time again, but maybe they're finally willing to have and maybe we'll bring it up at our meeting at 27. A good point. We've had that where they've said for a long time they don't really want to partner on some
cost for that stuff. Maybe they do. I don't know. Okay. Any other. Have any money though? I mean it's not their fault, but they really don't have any. They're about to. Well. I know. I'm not going to get into that. I mean, yeah. We can tell if they're good for
how long? Five years. And then they're going to come back at us and say, oh, we're making cuts. And we got to take our vehicles away. Yeah. So I think, do you have direction? Thank you. Appreciate it. Anything else last before we move on? Okay. Thank you guys.
Uh, council committee updates. I think the only thing I would just. Justin sent this out. Let's think about who wants to go to Park City. Uh, Nashville. Nashville for NLC. So think
about that. Um, it's on my 42nd birthday, so I don't know if I'm gonna go, uh, with that. Announcements. Uh, the state of the city is on Wednesday at, uh, chart House. So it's a lethal chamber event with myself and city staff giving updates on
what happened last year. Next council meeting is April 20th here in the council chambers. As we kind of alluded to, uh, there's a special city council meeting with ISD 194 on Monday the 27th, right here at City Hall. That'll take a motion to adjourn.
So moved. Second. Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? We're adjourned. Yes