[Music] good evening and welcome to the April 19 17th 2025 meeting of the Community Preservation Committee it is 6:30 p.m and we are meeting this evening at the Lakeville Police Station at 323 Bedford
Street we have Lake Cam recording this evening is anyone else recording aaron none let's go around and take attendance since we are missing some members this evening starting with you Bobby robert Stfanian member of large liz Nash open space michelle McKe
and Planning Board susan Spieler member at large nancy Lefave Lakeville Historical Commission all right so we do have a quorum um the first item on our agenda is discuss and possible vote on edits to be made to community preservation plan
so Sue and I went through and um we kind of used that checklist that we created at our last meeting and I'm going to bring that up just look at it and kind of name off everything that we've done kudos to you guys that that cover page
with step one now like big fan yep here it is okay so all right we added um the definitions obviously in everything in red is what we added um the definitions we took those right off of the coalition
website kind of they had more definitions we narrowed it down to things that seemed applicable to our plan mhm um be added under um on page nine so actually so starting on page
eight it it's use of community preservation act funds so we added under the use um where it talks about u may also be used for the following purposes we added that it must be a capital improvement expense uh below that where
it says act uh community preservation act funds may not be spent for the following purposes we added in um include or uh bullet point three we added in including any indoor recreation removable structures to the to the rest
of that where it's talking about the indoor recreation items uh cuz we we wanted to be more specific about that one uh then we added three additional bullet points cannot be used to purchase supplies mailings educational materials brochures etc cannot be used to create
something under the historic category i.e must be something being preserved not created uh capital uh CPA money cannot be granted to an individual for a program giving away the funds it should be submitted in the name of the board committee or organization that can
legally receive and regrant the funds so that was almost um taking what Stuart from the coalition had given us as in in a response uh to one of the pri applications and we kind of rewarded it to fit it in this um I I think it's
really important that we all we state what it can't be used for because even though it's on the community preservation program allowable spending purposes like the historical can't cannot create something you know that and it is a no here it's the only group
that can't create something because it's preservation but I mean it's much simpler if it's here when people can go right to the no and see it all user friendly um let's see what
else oh you know what Madam Chair on page 11 don't we have to update the um Oh yeah we do right the housing um information those numbers yeah and I wonder like is it better to
have the numbers in the plan or do we want to just I I think we talked about this prior like do we want to just reference the website where they can go to because every year we're going to have to update it why create something you're constantly updating right i don't know i don't know is it easier to have
it in here or is the website current well um so like as far as like our our housing stock I know that's not always updated cuz even even the prior um census item it wasn't it wasn't in
including all the new units i mean it's always changing i don't think you can manage to something you can't control right i don't know that it's I I think we might be better off directing them somewhere in the plan though like I
think I think amending the plan each year just for that is probably not the best use of the plan okay so if we could simplify the language and direct them to a website or a database or because it also brings well I read your plan and
you said blah blah blah you have to date it every time like as of as of yeah because I guess even now that second paragraph is like there's no date as to when that data was current so it
says as of June 23 29 2023 but like I said so I I think we took that from the website the mass website but the mass website like our our numbers are different because they hadn't been updated on the mass website yeah but why take ownership of it if you don't have
to right so you think so there's three paragraphs we have that second one and then down to three and it matters and I mean it would matter you know it would matter i come to you and I say whatever group comes to you and says we've got
this plan to do perpetuity for these 100 units at XYZ you want them to check right the most current numbers for town or whomever right because if this is missed we don't want it to go I think we could probably include two links we could include a
town link and a state link link you know essentially defer to the latest source okay so that so the for the town link so the housing production plan is updated every 5 years so we could point
to the housing production plan for that number uh the paragraph too really cuz that's and then just do a and or and then at the bottom these are the numbers that come from the state so um cuz it talks about the area wide median income so that we got from
another website didn't we cite it i'm not seeing it but I thought we cited the website on here did we is it in the back i don't remember and you really you said it says updated can be found on map.gov oh it does say
it yeah so I mean if you're saying as of blah Well that was up the second paragraph third paragraph yeah as of presented 250 5.71 etc etc updated data can be found on
mass.gov okay yes oh so it does have the source US census and then shi subsidized housing inventory and so it has the one source for
that one fifth paragraph and then so um I don't know we could do a little research on it you think before the next meeting mass.gov but that's probably not even like the full
website it just says mass.gov so you want Yeah go get lost on mass.gov yeah right try searching for um and I kind of want John Lucy's input too since he's the housing and this is under community
housing um well let's we'll um we'll put up put a pin in that one and we'll come back um cuz I think I think so I heard back from open space committee open space committee does does
not have um any additional um updates to it actually yes that's awesome um do you have a chance to look with historical looked it's the same thing that we had approved last year so we're fine with the way it stands right now
this hasn't been anything that would make us want to change or edit something okay and then I haven't heard I didn't hear back from parks but I know parks has had a lot of changes so I'll probably have to reach out again um on that one
um oh on page 20 we highlighted the dates because we had talked about lining up the dates better with um the dates for the step one and step two applications line them up better with our meeting dates but we also wanted to talk about meeting dates because when we
have new new members coming on and I know John is having trouble um making it on the Thursday so I thought it's probably good to maybe have that discussion what dates work well before we maybe change this
is Kathleen also having difficulties um I think she's just away on vacation right now but the only as far as I know the only person that's having trouble with the date is John but um Parks is meeting tonight but I did look on their
um was it on their agenda or on their calendar it looks like they're still sticking to I think it was their agenda talked about the dates and there's they're sticking to the second and fourth which is the same as planner board so that should leave the third Thursday free for them but um I think
maybe we'll put it on for next meeting discussing dates and then when we have that discussion we can also come back to the dates for the plan so I don't see us approving this tonight because um I want to get some input from John on the housing and we want to make we'll maybe
make some changes to that and we'll we still have to redo all the pages once we're all done right um page 21 um you can see in red on the second third paragraph we added the CPC does
not need to recommend a project just because it's eligible it must ensure that it fits the CPA plan and can consider other applications during the cycle the CPA can decide if the project is ready to proceed or the applicant is just looking to spend CPA funds instead
of town general funds so that was something that um was on a handout that we had i think Sue you got it from where did you find it was it middle middle yep so that's something that they include so it's not just let's try to spend the funds is it really something that falls
into one of the categories we're looking to right actually that came from Stuart's presentation to Middleear is that what it was even better
and then page 25 on the appendix um that's just highlighted because we have to update the page numbers at the end but we added the general evaluation criteria checklist to um the appendix um the step one application as you can
see now it has like we talked about the large chart on the front um it says is your project allowable with the chart and then on the back it has the that's awesome the criteria and then actually
um is your project allowable should we also put please circle which allowable spending purpose applies to your have them just circle which one they think it is or does that not matter i
mean it's not asked somewhere else in the application why you think it application um yeah on the front page one the only thing it has is that application category but it doesn't really pinpoint what um whether it's
acquire create preserve rehabilitate or support so I guess I mean I it can't hurt for you know the applicants to kind of I mean we're going to have to vet it either way right so like is the risk to create more confusion for them applying
or I don't know true cuz what if they say yes and we think it's not or um right but that would give us a another reason well yes you think that that's what this is but no this is
why it isn't mhm yeah that's true at least you know what your where their thought process is to how they think it applies okay so how would you'd want to have it up here is your project allowable circle yeah please circle which allowable
spending purpose applies to your project I guess or something to that effect so yeah so pull this back and have it like an actual question to be answered to
should we maybe make that a different color just so it stands out does the black kind of blend in you could red okay and the other part of it um
under uh the appendices we just need to know the missing items from the chart [Music] which I know Nancy had looked into it before because she's the treasurer so I
would think she'd probably want to get an update yeah so all right so I have So one one thing we want to do is ask John about housing remove replace and uh remove and replace with references to the sites for the
housing portion and then we had the question about um meeting dates and also Nancy Yates
um for the updated figures for the charts and then we also had um add question to step
one all right is there anything else that anyone has looking through these edits the exist anything that we haven't really looked at anything else that we should maybe I'll add
ask parks come again yeah okay so we still have five outstanding items that hopefully we can tie up and hopefully get a final draft for next month's meeting hope you like
that okay um so we'll just put this back on the agenda for next meeting did that sound good we're not ready to vote right i don't think so i think we
see if Nancy has any all right so agenda item number two uh review and possible vote regarding affordable housing and retaining existing subsidized housing units now this is
something that we have had on agendas previously over the past couple years i know Bobby you said you would like to look at it you're as a newer member um so that is all included here um we've
got info from the coalition um he talks about the success story that they have on their website and he references an article on the web page um and he says that the town's not likely able to do this with existing staff it's
complicated we recommend you hire a consultant from the database on Chapa's website and he gives uh the directory and he also said you can get in touch with Mass Housing Partnership for some early stage assistance we know Middle uses the Shelly a lot
okay i've noticed oh so that's the Shelly that they've Yes that they are talking okay so the woman here okay so yes so these are the different links so that's who they
recommend to um help with it um you know unfortunately I think we don't have extra town staff right now but right we can use the administrative portion of CPA funds for for the purposes of consultants
so we could um you know of course we only we're only doing 3% in the budget this time but maybe maybe next year we do the full 5% and talk about um considering a
consultant see how much it costs i I'm not sure like maybe um you know maybe it could be like a a little bit every year doing a little bit of work towards it since we have limited funds it's not like we have a lot of
money um for that 5% administration um and then the other the thing at the end is um the list of what we have for SHI units this is um as of 32 26 of 21
though so it's not um updated i guess I could reach out to I know serpent did this so I don't know if um right wasn't it pretty sure it came from surf the status derived from the DHC
so the first one falling off is in 2026 yeah so there's four in 2026 four in 202 27 that are and those are all uh rentals and then we've got why is one of them
not applicable two of them just curious if so it it doesn't expire so there's no expiration date on that one those stateowned I think is why right developmental services or mental
health possibly yeah it says Yeah so thank you so then there's 18 in perpetuity another 62 in perpetuity three in perpetuity another nine that have no date um then
that the big one is at 100 in 2039 i always forget that date i always think it's I'm like it's I don't know 20 37 but it's 2039 2039 that's crazy 2039 but 100 units that'll be that'll be a big
loss if we lose 100 units off of our shi oh and that's the ones the train what is the number that we should have in terms of our It was two 186 I believe that we needed
see was it in the plan I think where we were just looking at the housing Um maybe we're at 280 i don't know i haven't been did the town update the SHI
units kathy was I'm pretty sure that Nancy was working on it but I think Kathy was going to check on where that stands at this point i thought that uh the former town planner had gotten it updated but
I'm not 100% sure because I think it was a process we checked with Kathy yeah so it says 250 units of SHI is what we have and I think we needed Yes we needed
about 180 more so so around 400 and 20 or so yeah so it'll be you know big that'll be a big you know but if the hospital ever gets developed would that help another well
yeah i think currently we are in safe harbor because of that project being um approved but then they have a certain amount of time to pull building permits uh before it no longer counts gotcha
so we'll see all right so what what would we like to do with this information i know I've shared it before um do we want to look into consulting services get
pricing for what so this department comes under the board of select the select board the housing right now you don't actually Oh we have we share with Middleboro um so what part of it
the housing authority oh the housing authority yeah we don't have our own housing authority yep so Middleboro administers our affordable units really um I noticed that they were able to bond because they didn't have the money when
So so I thought that was a good thing that cuz we don't have the money right now either because we're just so new starting out but are we interested in in pursuing a consultant sort of role do we have
anybody who has any expertise in the area well so that's what the uh coalition had right but I mean not locally lake in Lakeville do we have anybody that I mean John's
familiar with housing um but in what to take on this responsibilities oh um you know we're currently without a planner and I know SLboard is talking about looking at that role and there's financial constraints this
year so I don't know what's going to happen with that um I mean that's one of the things that keeps coming up whenever we have a hearing is that people are looking for affordable housing right and and yet we don't have a department and we share a
department sort of or consultant or something so so it seems like we should take some action or find out if the town will take some action to provide something in in the form of like a housing authority or or whatever it is
that they need to do well that's why if we if we wanted to reach out to this Shelly as a consultant and ask her maybe we would see a pathway to to doing something so that we could actually support that aspect of the CPC
and maybe if we could get that information then at that point we could share with the psycho board and say this is what we found out are you interested makes sense but to have somebody who has experience since none of us have seem to have I'd stop with reach out to her and
okay so reach out to her and ask her about would be interested in pursuing um retaining these 100 units yeah really right cuz she's going to know i'm going to ask i'm going to Right and is there a way that because of the
time frame and we have we have a direct question right we're setting aside money all the time for that particular aspect but it's like but we're not we don't have a way of actually spending it at this point right
well I mean encouraging somebody to Would it be worth asking if we're able to essentially grant some of our housing funds to the town of Middlebar to fund a salary or partial salary of a position at their housing authority to focus on
this for us i hear that's that's an idea but I don't know i I don't think I don't think it's enough like I don't honestly like um so we have 14 years right from this year to 2039
there's 14 years but so if we grow that housing bucket potentially that could grow to a decent number right but if we're spending it on a housing authority um salary then that's going to take out of that too so I don't know but um but
of there's leveraging funds we could always try to you know other grants for affordable housing that are available through the state we know the state is obviously pushing for the affordable housings so who would come forward to
apply for the CPC grant i was wondering would it come from the select board or if we have an the joint authority or because we have that 2026 where four units are going to expire and we want to
make we don't want to lose any of these we want these all to be in perpetuary really ideally but I don't think I don't think we're gonna have enough money by 2026 because that's just next year and I don't think we have the bandwidth to because you know from what Stuart said
it's a process that requires a lot of you know support um maybe we start small with that so the Ark of Greater Fall River has got to be at the very least a nonprofit which we could certainly grant funds to I would imagine so maybe we
start with tackling four units get it under our belt and then we're that much better prepared for the 100 right so we're talking about eight units between 2026 and 2027 total that and
then we have like a leeway to 2039 so that gives us a little bit more time but and that's a 100 units there longpoint Road which is that that's near Betty's neck
is all those condos i haven't I don't know i don't think they'd be falling off in 2027 those new rentals right it's only four units too wondering where that is on i think there's a I think there's a group home there so I wonder if the four
units are really just It's like a fourbedroom you know group home i just find it funny that and I'm pretty sure it's like a state subsidized well about it in town doesn't seem so
what she asked if anyone in town government is worried about these units coming out of um I haven't heard any talk about the affordability expiring maybe master plan but that's about it right
master plan maybe well we don't have like we said we don't have the housing authority we don't have the housing authority we're short of you know there's certain positions in town hall that are not filled right now we're you know in a financial
situation right so it's it's not that's not like on the front burner for them yeah i don't think it is for anybody well they sneak up on you too cuz those were obviously built a while ago and you know and now it's 26 and then it's going
to be 2027 right but yeah practicing on those seeing how fast we can move you also have to wonder I why is why is on the um the ones that are confidential the group homes why is
it not available when the expiration would take place i don't know i'm not sure cuz we're talking 25 units and then down below there's another nine units that's an also confidential there's no street address which is okay but I mean
shouldn't we know when the affordability expires i'm assuming like Bobby said if it's stateowned maybe there is no maybe it just doesn't apply because there is no they don't say perpetuity they say not applicable i think when the when the day comes that the state no longer wants
to operate it's probably right and it's not in our hands maybe could be not sure so I wonder if that Shelly would do like a training or like an informational
it probably should be for more than just us really huh right yeah maybe ask her if she does any kind of trainings at all right let's start with her and see what happens take it from there right cuz if cuz then if we if she would meet with us
then we could ask her questions about you know this process is it something that we could start with these four because the thing is like we as a committee we can't we're not the application authority we're just going to review it so it would have to be
someone else in town another I was wondering about that would be we can be as concerned as we want but if nobody else is concerned right if no one else is taking up the cause then there's no Yeah no point in it unfortunately true
yeah because we don't have a housing authority yeah and I don't know if a open space could care but that's only like trying to protect the land that somebody's trying to build onto not not extending perpetuity for housing
well the person that we share with Middleboro might be one of the people that we need to talk to too about housing it might work out involved in if if we actually partner with them and they or they do the paperwork or whatever it is
that they should be also invited to this thing so that they can see what their limitations are because it's a partnership as opposed to or split services or whatever you want to call it yeah I think it's all per project because I also I think there was another
housing authority i want to say there was like a random one that was involved for like another project but mainly it's MBA so I don't know what that relationship is if it's just like per project i'm not sure cuz we've talked we've spoken to wasn't it
Kimberly that works at the Midor Housing Authority no someone else on my committee was it Joe joe okay but I don't know if she's still with the housing authority or not i'm not sure cuz when we were first getting information on trying to pass CPA we met
with members of the middle bar CPA and one of them was on the housing authority so you know she had helpful information back then but it now we're talking few years ago i don't I don't remember any of the specifics well you guys were brand new right this it was all brand
new you had a lot to absorb so much to learn so much mhm so we can reach out to Shelly um I'm going to just put like middle borrow HOA possibly
um yeah like you said if there's a training available maybe extend the invitation to anyone else who's interested it's I wonder what about a committee like I feel like there's other committees being formed right now but so
many committing committee i know would that be something that helps because at least that's volunteers maybe this these are questions we have to ask this person how do we how do we nudge people so that they get they're aware of the I mean four
units this in 2026 doesn't seem like a lot except for the four people four renters yeah exactly but I mean that's four that we have to make up someplace right and if we're still short anyways right right why would we want to lose
smaller right maybe this is a conversation to have with a select book i don't know if there's bandwidth available there and it's what people always that's the big thing that they come and speak to us about at hearings
is about this and Right right and we're sort of like ineffective because we don't have somebody in the town government to support something like that and we also are restricted by the amount of money we have too right and because we're in the
early years but but in addition to that you know all right so I think the first step may reach out to this Shelly see if there's any training available i mean the answer could be no and then we can maybe revisit it and reach out to the person we share with Middbor or something like
that too right yeah I have that middle HOA question mark um but I think this is something good to just kind of you know bring up from time to time right and see where we stand
with it okay do you want to Sue do you want to reach out to the middle HOA since you've got your fingers over there in Middlear sure um and I'll reach out to Shelley sure okay
anybody else want to take initiative on something wants to do you know anybody on the housing authority no i'm just scrolling through the Ark of Greater Fall River's website quick just to kind of wrap my head around that cuz I'm almost wondering if they would
be Is that the Dasis willing to work with it i don't know i haven't got that far because I think they could apply i think something like that could apply for you so right Dasis of Greater Fall River but I could be wrong
the subsid do you have do we have definitions of the subsidizing agencies because I know I see Department of Housing and Community Development is DHCD which is the residency the 100 but what about EOHF elc replaced
DHCD so DHCD is no longer It was replaced with a new acronym eohlc so the EO HC no E HHS hhs is Health and Human Services okay so
those are also Okay got it all right well so most I can't think of what it is it's in here though housing and livable communities something economic yeah
h Okay I get it we have it in here i just can't think of what it is right now i should Oh is it in there you don't have to another time i know we change we had to
change it yeah cuz we had it in there as DHCD and it's right in the housing portion seeing it oh here it is um E O E no wait a minute e O H LC yep
executive Office of Housing Liverpool Communities there it is thank you sir all right so we'll reach out to Shelley reach out to me HOA anything else that we want to do with this point if anyone have
any suggestions you want to I mean even you'd think maybe the COA would be interested too because of the tie for you know affordable housing for seniors but true I don't know if they have any anyone in
that area that you know would be dealing with housing i mean there's individuals who are upset about the taxes in town things like that but I mean how do you I mean unless somebody's just going to go out on a Facebook or start putting posters up in
the the grocery stores and like we need a committee to talk about affordable housing how do you you know how do you find people who are going to volunteer their time to learn about
this and then do something about right um who aren't already on committees right because they care and you're trying to do stuff exactly yeah right right all right well we can start start with that we want to leave it on for
next month as well push it up yeah okay next month all right agenda item number three review and approve meeting minutes for March 20th 2025 make a motion to approve the minutes we have a motion
okay does someone else want a second second all in favor i Liz is abstaining i have to okay okay so motion carries with the majority
do we have anything for old business do we have any status updates things have been progressing very slowly at the museum uh with the historical historical society because there was a family emergency in the company so um
it's things that haven't taken place from the country to Massachusetts and two two weeks at the most is what I was just told okay so before they start they're going to they'll be starting then doing the stuff they have to remove
um but we also don't have that big sign remember that when I did it it must have been the what I noticed about the bottom part was um I'm familiar with the ones in Middbor and they're metal and sometimes they do come out and you have
to step on them to flatten them down so they'll go back into that same type of frame but ours are like the um you know the the her arts festival signs those waffle boards that are honeycombed and so ours evidently blew out but the
one the narrow one on the bottom actually had the um zip ties to hold it in place where the big one did not have the zip ties i looked everywhere up and down the street and I could not find it so I'm my feeling is that I don't know when it went out because it was there
most of the winter and then suddenly it was gone it was really snow massive wind so and I've looked on both sides of the street and well somebody probably just picked it up and well probably it got picked up as trash because it was probably got destroyed too if somebody
drove over it or something like that so we have this big open air space over there and then we have the little one that says the community preservation thing on the bottom dpw bar so yeah i thought Barbara had them and then Frank
said we could keep them at the shed at the DPW you think that's what so I think there's two more because there's one at the cemetery and one there i think there should be two more cuz we ordered four right oh that's nice that's so DPW okay i can call okay and ask Jennifer if they
have them there yeah so I mean I think they were just good enough to let us put them in the shed well what I think I would do is also zip tie it this time so that you know something doesn't happen but I didn't find any pieces of it anything and I went um in the woods
somebody drove over it people probably wondered what I was looking for but um yeah no i hope it didn't end up in the It's not small i mean it's a good size piece like about this big you know somewhere the other one I double checked the one at the cemetery is fine but it's
also up against the fencing so I think it has a little more protection it It can be really windy around Lake right oh absolutely all right any photos of completed ongoing projects i guess nothing else if we don't have any new updates
really all right our next meeting is May 15 2025 at 6:30 p.m here at the police station with that would someone like to make a motion to adjurnn i make a motion to adjourn second motion in a second all
in favor i I meeting is ajourned