[Music] um I'd like to bring this meeting of Conservation Commission to order on February 11th 2025 we're being recorded by Lake cam is anybody out there recording I see no
so we will introduce ourselves Mark I'm Mark mitton I'm the agent John leblan Michelle Bard n a Joseph Chamberlain Bob chamber wow you know I knew there was
a lot of time together years okay so first up we have three Mona Street I guess I'll do these two together from Zena there three Mona Street and 74 Lakeside Avenue both have requested continuances so I look for a
motion to continue three Mona Street 74 Lakeside Avenue to February 25th at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville police station so moved second all in favor I 25th you said yes I did all right uh next up is
35 Shore Avenue according to the provisions of Mass general laws chapter 131 section 40 of the wellness protection app there will be a hearing on a notice of intent submitted by Mark and Sandra Bruce for the installation of a new tight tank and
decommission of an existing cesspool within an inland resource area and 100t buffer zone the location of the project is 35 Shore Avenue Lakeville Mass 0 04 map 41 block 9 Lot 12 the public hearing
will be held Tuesday February 11th 20124 great 2025 at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville police station 3:23 B Street Lakeville will um will con Consulting Engineers for the record uh the site is
35 shav um it's a 4700 ft lot which is boarded to the South by Long Pond um the entire property is within the 100 foot buffer to Long Pond as well as flood zone
a57 um there's an existing failed septic on site which we're proposing an upgrade to um which we're proposing a 2500g monolithic tyght tank um well is it going in the same spot as the old CES um essentially we're kind of
Shifting it over to the the East a little bit just to get it outside the 50 fo from the CU I don't see on the plan where the old one is um did you guys not it yeah it's kind of straight out um you can see where that clean out is that's tying into the existing line and then
the sess pools in the middle there um so we're proposing silt sock erosion control um can you just point that out what John just asked a little circle right there okay I can't it looks like for a minute I thought it would said water but that's the old that's assess
Bol right there yes okay small sorry um prosing silt sock for sediment control which is to remain in place till the site is fully stabilized um that wraps around both sides with the limit of work um to the house as well as a dewatering
basin which is used if necessary um so if there's any questions I'd be happy to answer them you going to start before the storm tomorrow what's that you're going to start before the storm tomorrow I don't know if that's going to happen probably
not a great time for it um in seriousness when was a plan to to hope for this to start I do not know what the plan is time frame no is they share a
web um yeah I believe they share well with a property next to it either across the street or there Wells across the street um was this approved by the Board of Health this was actually approved by the Board of Health and I believe
conservation in 2019 oh um and then they just never perform the work so do you have to go back to the Board of Health um how long how long did their last for I'm not sure how long their permits last for that's 5 years five
years they do I don't know is there Auto condition from us on their property um I I looked nothing like having two of the same property to get people
confused um well if it was 2019 they would have it would have expired right so um yeah nothing has changed as far as the the work that we're propos and goes um since that plan so the co thing is that
automatic it was extended extended because of the co the automatic extension of a of conditions yeah but I don't know how long yeah but that was if it was issued in 2019 that was before Co condition Cod conditions wouldn't have kicked in until
2020 you got the D number today can I have it please yes I do so that wouldn't have been applicable is se1 192 934 so what about natural heritage you got a green card from natural heritage I got a green card from natural heritage
can you tell me the date it was sent didn't know there's going to be a quiz okay sorry um yeah we haven't received the letter back from them yet we just want know when you send it out cuz we can't issue anything till we
right you can read it better than I can when is that 130 130 that's how that says yeah well stamp January 28th date of delivery 1:30 I don't know what it goes
from sent out or date of delivery actually Pro probably date of delivery January 28th so it wouldn't be you wouldn't be looking at anything till February 28th
so I'm still I don't are you showing me where where the water's coming from so their water service comes from across the street right through the kind of the center of the lot probably only 5T from the existing cess pool is it shown on there yeah all right it's very
faint it's hard to see on this the small oh it's a straight I see straight shot right there okay got it and oh we've been through this before clock Shore's water doesn't go down
Shore Avenue yet correct we already had this question a while back on another lot in 51 Shore it does not go that far down I don't think it goes that far down that's the first place I should have G okay so you're making a bad situation
better yep that basically the uh so anybody else no I'm good so we'll need a motion that uh to close a hearing and issue an order of conditions with all
our standard conditions plus we'd like to see bard of Health approval if you need it again or I'm sure they'll have to look at it again and any conditions added on that you you receive from natural heritage or that we
receive from natural heritage um what about a pump truck on site just thinking of that you usually request that would be watering huh have a deing
they have a dewatering yeah we have the you do but we'd like to see an emergency number for a pump truck just in case it gushes out of the ground and I mean this whole street was underwater yeah not that long ago water water is at what 18
in what's that when if you're digging with with two shovel fulls oh yeah you're in the water table yeah probably something like that so emergency number for a dewatering truck and the company anybody going to do a so move so moved
okay second second all in favor I I okay thanks all right good to go thank you all for your time good night okay next up is 160 um Bedford Street and R Bedford Street and we have
received a request for a continuance so I would look for a motion to continue 160 Bedford Street and re Bedford Street to February 25th 25 at 6:30 p.m. at the police station so moved second
discussion okay when did we receive the request this afternoon was there a specific reason they still have they're going to give us more information on Thursday they sent a plan and I think she sent it out to you this afternoon if
she didn't it will go out tomorrow and it will be on the agenda for the next meeting but it's a new plan they have to do all the things that Riv Hawk had requested so they are going to have to file a new notice of intent I don't amend it they're going to amend it okay
and there's more information I talked to Rich today and there's more information coming on Thursday okay okay that is uh acceptable okay thank you for that you're welcome all in favor I it's actually a great
answer well I don't know well he sending he sent the plan in um you know explanation of the plan but he's sending more stuff on Thursday so that's fine it'll give us plenty of time to digest it we're going to um try to sit down and compare existing plan with any changes
in proposed to Encompass the the recommendations of of river H okay okay next up Long Pond Association this is a a request for a threeyear extension to their previous order of
conditions so good Matha Worley for long PA Association ad side out you go this is a no-brainer yeah actually I think we all agree on that congratulate them for doing that hard work yes yes
finally after all these years stuff's getting done and it's great unless there's any questions I make a motion okay to Grant the three-year extension to the Long Pond Association for Mass D file number se1 92879
second discussion or addition the date that it would go to would be so is this the original 26 27 28 it would go to 72 of 28 and look it they even came in
early months before it expires why why does the uh number is 239 or is it 2 25 I see it in a couple places what number you talking
about uh the it's by Prime it's 160 Bedford Street oh no no no no Long Pond Association Long Pond it's 192 879 I see it yeah well
same I don't understand why the the 289 sure I'll figure it out okay so all in favor I told you thank you thank you thank you thank you for your work yes keep chipping away
thank you for not letting it expire before you ask attention it's too busy we're in the middle of doing ouru J what was the date for the the extension the the New Order of conditions will now go to 727 of
28 so we'll set a reminder for January of 28 to look at it will I get a letter probably not okay you guys seem to keep up on it pretty I mean right on top of
it so okay so next up is nine cross street so nine cross street the deed restriction Went to Town Council and Town Council looked at it
and there's two lots on the plan that no longer belong to the original owner so that deed restriction can't reference those two lots so they come off and then um Town Council is going to issue a
cover letter and um it's going to be a corrective order of conditions great okay so what I said tonight is I would like us to when it comes back they're taken off those two lots and the um corrective order of
conditions will say under number 12 where it says about the deed restriction and this condition will be restated on that I forget theactual I'm sure if Mark you didn't bring it
either but it will be um restated on the certificate of compliance and recorded recorded and restated on the certificate of compliance so I would like a motion that we approve what Town Council sends back so that we can just I'll stop in at the
office and sign it rather than carry it on for another two weeks onto another agenda it's be ready to go so moved without all that stuff okay second okay all in favor I
done all right see that all right meeting minutes make a motion that we approve the town of elake Conservation Commission minutes as presented to us for November 26
2024 second with discussion you reviewed it and it's perfect yes okay that's all I need know perfect can you second it I don't know I'm sure you can can all in favor I I yes I'm
Expediting all right next up is our agents update this is lovely our first agents update okay I think this is the real test I
hurt um so I I just we've been busy doing uh a few things uh making uh a number of site visits for various reasons people interested in
rdas uh whatever it is um but so I I kind of highlighted this one uh it's uh Pine Crest Village which I'm sure the commission members have much more
background in this this project but um so February 3rd I think that's last uh Monday before Monday last uh planning department got um
complaints um from some um some uh residents about work going on on the site um that's how we were pulled into it we've got copied on the email that
the planning board sent out to uh the Builder the owner of the site about um um the need facilitation barriers also the other one that um Nancy dery
highlighted was the the um the the pad had the 50-ft pad on the entrance into the site once they're bringing in heavy equipment that still hadn't been bu built um um the chair and I went out um
February 6 a couple days later and took a look at the site um trees were down the site looked like it was you know pretty close to being ready for uh next phase of construction
I reached out to the owner uh Builder had a discussion about the orders of conditions that that were were in in their permit particularly uh sedimentation control because the site
was was clear it's not really stabilized and just making sure that we don't have some kind of big rain event or and even beyond that it's just in the permit uh those were two things uh and and the
the D signage wasn't up yet so those were two things that jumped out there's a couple questions still outstanding about um uh sedimentation ponds that I'm going to follow up on but uh when I talked to uh Greg
Mahoney um we kind of came to I I think he expressed some frustration uh about you know getting calls from uh various people emails and and I tried to explain to them that I was H you know I
my job is to ensure that you know everyone's following the their their permits the conditions and that um my role was you know to come out and and if you know if we take a look at the site and everything's in place then
we get complain point from residents we can say well um you know the the individuals in compliance so um that was a bit of I I was trying to point out that in fact you know
that's how I see my role is is to assist everyone make sure everybody's in compliance um I went out the next day um Greg Mahoney said um my apologies
first my phone and then this all right but um um he he said that the plan was the following day he already had a crew that was going to be out there uh installing the siltation uh I got out there about 8:30
8:45 and there were three three folks uh with a u Ditch Witch you know um that were pretty far along in getting all the sedimentation controls in there I I included the the
pictures because uh Greg sent these as a followup just you can't really see but on site um I think it was a it was a good installation it's in place again I have a little bit of a question and and
uh the chair pointed this out I've got to go back and look down below I'm not sure there's a little Tail as you come in but I think for the most part um the barriers in place um and I mentioned that you know
that we'd like to I my question was so when when do you intend on you know starting construction um and that when when it begins that we want to get notified so we can come out you know early so we can
avoid you know additional complaints coming in and um I think that I'll probably stop by I me you a couple more times anyhow just to keep an eye on everything um and be able to respond to
whether it's planning or residents complaints you know if we know what's going on um one of the I I don't know one of the issues that's still outstanding and and speaking with Greg
uh was this uh he he he his assertion is that it's the ground is too is frozen he can't inst install this uh um tracking pad yeah tracking pad and he said he can't do any work until he can that's in
place CU he can't get his equipment on the site so um yeah I I I think that's the the gist of of the project but again my understanding is there's some contention
in the neighborhood and you know to the extent that I can make sure or you know that everything's in compliance um that's my next to keep all the potties happy yeah you it's if as I
said to um Mr that um um you know if people complain and and we know we've been out and you know you're in compliance with your permit there won't be any traction you know there that those types of
complaints won't get any traction so I don't know if there was anyone else had any questions at all there was a little bit of discussion about when does construction actually begin I mean it's if if the whole property is cleared of
trees I would I my assertion to to him was looks to me like you've begun you know we should we should I I understand there's some staging you got got to get some of the trees cleared before you can get your siltation barriers in there but
again um you know hopefully going forward we things are straightened out and good yeah good job awesome yeah okay um one last thing hi hi come
on up introduce yourself I'm williiam Wen for finals from 12 Staples Shore Road in Lakeville um I had a question about the Conservation Commission I saw there was an opening and uh and I invited him to the
meeting because I'm like yes I'm sorry this should be a little short I have another meeting I am also on the middo Lakeville Middleboro hering fishery commission o that's where I know you're from yes on that yes we' be very excited I think to have our membership is
getting really short and um hey I what we're finding the same problem is that a is that a Hy joke she's talking about our hey um yes so my advice was if you're interested please I have no biology or
any environmental uh background at all uh I've been a resident for about almost 40 years in Lakeville newcomer huh newcomer yes regular yet but I have been in for a long time been on the Hing commission
for about 20 years um I love the town love the way is you know things uh develop I originally grew up in Norwood which was very rural at one time the farms on one where auto mile is we get our ice creams there things get built up
and I think you know you can both work together in in building things up and also keeping the town the same character that it has without you know going too fast or too much building or not allowing building
in other places so well we have quite a bit of experience on the board so yeah we will you know you don't have to have a wealth of experience you have to have some common sense you have to everything's pretty laid out they come in and tell
about their projects well there's also the um what's that or Mac or yeah that you can take coures if you want Mass Association of conservation yeah their big meetings coming up in a week yeah yeah going you Holy Cross yeah I think
it's March 1st Saturday March 1st so one day it's Mass Association of conservation commissions and they do a lot of training a lot of Outreach but they're a a great source of um background knowledge yeah and and
I think they have a a a courses specifically designed have new Commissioners and you'll be if you join the commission and you get appointed you'll be a member automatically a member once you're on the commission and
there are um you know there's a handbook where you can look things up there's online trainings like how to write an order conditions or things you should be looking for with drainage there's all kinds of information that's available so and just being part of it it's a
learning experience still believe me we have had some new things lately that come across and you know but even just on our website on the town's website on the Conservation Commission there's some general information about what our purview is right we're responsible for
yeah just look it out just general information about the we protection act right and that's that's squarely our space in protecting prot and that you're on the fish and Herring commission that's a really good that's a good thing too far like you know someone come in showing plans
for a Building Development so I wouldn't know like how much lineage you have here or there we don't need to know you can't do that so hopefully someone can be here and that could be part of the conversation as far as helping things along and well we get peer reviews a lot some of that engineering stuff I mean we
got 171 page engineering report at our last meeting and it's like whoa that people need to come and explain it and then we get peer reviews if it's something that we don't understand ourselves we get a peer review situ ation like that where it's a big complex yeah the developer will pay for us to
have our own engineer oh okay oversee it and then he comes with his recommendations okay so and we each have different backgrounds too so we can help fill gaps between each other's knowledge and experience okay that's good so it's
teamwork right and your meetings are the second and fourth Tuesday second and fourth all right now your meetings at hearing commissions the first I mean second Tuesday day of the month so I will see if I can get that changed I've tried before I didn't but what time does
that meeting start 7:00 okay so we're at 6:30 typic you guys are pretty quick though I'm sure and you meet over Middleboro right yes the town hall the Old Town Hall yeah so but I we'll be in at the next meeting
you did you write a letter to the select I want to talk to you folks first yeah you need to just write a letter to the selectman uh requesting that you be appointed to the Conservation Commission and you've already one step up cuz we've met you yeah so that I already filled out my conflict of interest and there
two things right Prof of interest and there's a lot you have to do afterwards um but you have to go through the formal process with the select board and then they would ask for our recommendation if they have multiple but right okay right very grateful thank you wonderful see you guys in two weeks great yes thank
you for coming I'd love to talk to you about the caring commission I was with Noah for a number of years oh really and um yeah it's you know it's a water shed species that there's a lot of money out there everything's Watershed restoration
and protection and yeah I'd like to I didn't know there was a hearing commission until also has vacancies on it yes we have vacancies yeah also and uh cuz there's only like three of you now or four see the five so two from Lakeville
three from middleb many okay even so often I I catch the hearings we should have we need to have five wardens in Middleboro and two in Lakeville okay me and Tom Baron Baron the other warden from Lakeville but yeah
we tonight but yeah touch with that in fact uh the long Pawn Association asked for an extension for the weed removal in fact we started the weed removal program in the area take a lot of their permits off of us back watch that we had a joint
meeting with the middleb yes um commission commission over that right we in the river yeah CU we had to write a each of us had to have an order condition where they had to match exactly yeah so we would like to see the upper end of the
damask we removal from the uh Dam to vau Street we've done from V Street down to uh the railroad Bridge behind Ocean Spray right and with really good results and but that upper po when that water got low in August it was you
almost walk on it you couldn't paddle at all like that you a lot of fish kills too so something I could bring up to that that would be good to have a new body on on yeah really on the board oh thank you yes good with some you'd be surprised to
see how what we do overlaps those two groups okay yeah yeah yeah I'm interestes involved with the uh uh Rocky Woods project too what's going on there that's a pretty big things happening to the
town yes oh yeah so I'm going to the other okay yeah thank you very much for coming have a great night okay sure motion to adjourn second second all
faor I I that too