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[music] >> Good evening and welcome to the Tuesday, May 26th meeting of the Lakeville Conservation Commission. We are being recorded tonight by Lake Cam. Lake Cam, I would like to ask if anybody else is recording. Seeing no one.

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We will start like we always do. We will introduce ourselves around. >> I'm Mark Mendenhall, the Conservation Agent. >> John LeBlanc. >> Nancy Yates. >> Joseph Chamberlain. >> William Afonso. >> Matthew Pereira.

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>> All right. First up on the agenda tonight, we have 30 Howland Road and they have requested a continuance. [snorts] So, I would look for a motion to continue 30 Howland Road to June 9th, 2026 at the Lakeville Police Station at 6:30.

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>> So moved. >> I need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. Next, 150 Bedford Street. Same MO. They're asking for a continuance to June 9th at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville

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Police Station at 6:30. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> All right. Next up, 15 Shore Avenue. I need a motion to open the hearing. >> So moved.

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>> Second. >> Okay. >> Oh, do you want me to make the actual motion? >> Oh. >> Okay. >> No, that's Motion to open the >> is okay? >> Okay. Second. Who said that? >> Matt Matt already seconded. >> Okay. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Okay. I'm jumping ahead. [clears throat]

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According to the provisions of the Massachusetts General Law Chapter 131 Section 40 of the Wetlands Protection Act, there'll be a hearing on a Notice of Intent by submitted by Lydia and Frank Mark for the installation of a new tight tank and decommission of existing

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septic system within the 100-ft buffer to Long Pond and land subject to flooding. The location of the project is 15 Shore Avenue, Map 41, Block 9, Lot 2. The public hearing will be held on Tuesday, May 26th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. at the

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Lakeville Police Station, 323 Bedford Street, Lakeville. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> For the record, I'm Isaiah from I'm here before you for the installation of a tight tank. Um as you're aware with this area, um there's really not a lot of room

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uh to do much other than put a tight tank in with the relation to Long Pond as well as the you know the small sites as well as the the wetlands across the street. Um there's really not a lot of options here. Um so

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the site is Shore Ave. You've got Long Pond, which is at the rear. They also own a property across the street, which is typical in this area. Um it's shown um with the off-site wetland. Pretty much the entire the entire wetland uh excuse me, the

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entire parcel is a wetland. >> Across the street? >> Across the street. Um so that's why that that tank was not placed that we obviously typically would try to get it as far away from Long Pond as as possible. That just wasn't the case or available in this situation.

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Um so we're showing the proposed tank here. It's a 2,500 gallon tank. Um it's going to be an H20, so a heavy-duty concrete tank. Monolithic, so that means it's one pour. The inlet of the tank is going to have rubber boots

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to make it watertight. The gaskets for the risers, cuz that's always a leak point, are going to be gasketed and built into the tank and then the riser built in from there, which is really the best way really the only way that you can make them leak proof as as much as possible. Um

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>> And it's industrial Is it Is it saying industrial >> Commercial. It's a commercial tank. Yeah, it's a commercial tank. Oh, yeah. No, we want to make sure that it has There's not going to pop out of the ground cuz obviously we're in the water table here. >> What's What's the weight What What Who are the source in this area for these

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items? >> I'm sorry. >> Who Who's the company that is local? >> Uh Shea Concrete. That's who we usually typically use, yes. >> And what's the weight of the unit empty? >> Uh Yeah, uh spare with me. The weight of this tank is

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almost 32,000 lb. >> That That should keep it in place. >> It's heavy. You know, the crazy part is is when you put that in the water table completely submerged, it still wants to come up. So, you have to have soil We have to bury it into the water table a little bit more, get

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enough soil over it to make sure it won't float up. >> I think we've learned that lesson plenty in this area. >> Yes. Yeah. So, we did dig a hole out here with the Board of Health. This actually This plan has been approved by the Board of Health. One of the major issues out here, as you're aware, is peat.

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Um so, there have been sites here that we've dug down 18 to 20 ft and hit peat. Um this case we hit peat for just a few feet and then we got into some really nice stable sandy loam, so it'll be on a really good

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base, which is nice in this situation. We are showing erosion control along the long pond side as well as the [snorts] other side here. Couldn't push the tank any further forward because we have the seasonal water service that runs across the property there and that has to be 10 ft.

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So that's why we couldn't push it any further closer to Shore Ave cuz we do have extra room there but that water service is limiting that. >> Yeah, I see it. >> Yeah. >> And maybe deep water in >> Dewatering basement is right there, yeah. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So I know all the standards and

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kept it pretty much as far away, you know, as you know the red is depicting the 50. So we're staying outside the 50 with everything as far as the way the tank is going. But obviously the entire site is within 100. So there's no getting around that. >> What did they have before?

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>> Uh just a literally a cesspool. >> A cesspool accessible >> Just a cesspool on the property. >> So anything's an improvement over that. >> Yeah. The Board of Health Board of Health approved it no problem. >> Okay, well. >> And they want a deed restriction so I think the only thing we'd like to see is a copy of the deed restriction that

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restricting it to one bedroom. >> That's correct. It gets restricted to one bedroom. That's correct. >> Anybody? >> I'm good. I'm good. >> Yeah. >> It's improving the situation. >> Improving the situation. >> the existing cesspool was it located? >> It's it's generally where the tank is.

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We don't know exactly cuz it wasn't it wasn't found but it's generally so the pipe comes out here. We believe it to be right in this area here. >> Are you going to remove it or >> Yeah, yeah, if it's in conflict it's going to be removed, absolutely. Yes. >> Probably lots of old timey rocks in

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there. Always a Always an experience to dig one up in old septic tank up. Cesspool rather. >> Do we have anybody from the audience that's here for this? No? All right. Seeing nobody.

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I would look for a motion to close the hearing and issue an order of conditions. Our standard conditions with the additional condition that we like a copy of the deed restriction. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Discussion?

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All in favor? >> Aye. >> Thank you very much. Have a great night. >> Thanks very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Giles. All righty, then. Next up is 26 Central Ave. >> Uh my name is George Pedranti and here

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on behalf of the homeowners. >> You're up. >> Um we're requesting to be allowed to replace an existing deck in the same location at 26 Central. >> Same size, same everything?

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>> Same size, yes. >> Any change in materials? >> Uh pressure-treated deck coming down, we're putting pressure-treated frame back with composite decking. >> All composite? >> Aluminum rails. >> Okay. Are you guys digging and putting in any footings or anything like that?

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>> going to try and use the helical piles. >> Uh-huh. >> There is some rock on the property. I don't know if we'll be able to. >> Okay. >> But, we are going to attempt the helical piles first. >> Drill to refusal. >> Well,

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I think when you talked to Mark, he said that hand dug, >> Yes. >> no machines. Um the only thing and we did notice when we were looking at this afternoon that you don't have any siltation on the plan. You have to have a siltation barrier. >> Okay.

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What do you request? Straw wattle and silt fence? >> Mark? >> Um I I would I think straw wattle would be fine, but I >> Okay. >> others might have a different opinion. >> fine. With the the net, the especially

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when you're mixing the bags of concrete to do the pad, nothing will roll into the water. >> We we do have one other option if we can't get the helical piles in. They also make some concrete blocks you can drive in galvanized pins into. >> Mhm. >> So, that is a second option if we do

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hit, you know, let's say we can get three of the helical piles in, but for the last two, it is a possibility before we dig to use those. So, >> So, it's about 40 ft. Is that what the I think

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>> Uh the closest point to the water is about 30 to that high water mark is about 30 ft. >> 37 >> where they have the boat ramp. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. >> 30 ft. Okay. >> And it's pretty level as you come down the driveway. It's pretty straight. Straight down. >> flattens out at the edge of the the

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house. >> Which brings up the question, how much do we want in the way of wattles? With I mean, the the full 40 ft or encompassing or I mean, if it's not in its in its Look

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like you have some grass there, so your water starts flowing, it'll help slow it down. And this would be only temporary stuff, anyway. >> Yeah. >> That's in our normal stuff, isn't it? Fancy? >> Well, this is an RDA. >> Oh, yeah.

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>> So, whatever we put on for a condition, it'll be a negative three determination, and we will put the condition on to um have a straw bottle installed, and then you would have to call Mark to determine that it was sufficient. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep.

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>> Yeah, I think that's a good point. >> Yeah, wind it up. >> your guide. >> Yeah, you want to wrap it. >> Yeah. >> We'd want to make a U-shape. I mean, that's typically how we've done it in the past. >> the whole construction project. >> Yep. >> How far up the slope should we bring

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that? >> I mean, keep Leave yourself enough room to work. >> Okay. >> And then on the outside of that. Your best judgment of the situation, I think, will handle it. >> Anybody else?

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All right. So, I would say that we would issue a The motion would be to issue a negative three determination with the conditions that um siltation will be installed, installed, and the agent will be recalled to inspect it, and um

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everything will be dug by hand with no machinery. >> So, Okay. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> So, George, when do you think you guys could As soon as possible? >> Um I've got to submit this to Nathan. I wanted to make

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sure we get through here first, so I'm sure it's going to be a couple weeks. >> Okay. Just >> Yeah. Just let Lori >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Perfect. >> All right. And uh do I need to pick up any paperwork at the town for this, or >> Um Well, she will issue determination.

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>> Okay. All right. So, Laurie will issue that. >> call Laurie and she will issue the determination. >> Okay. Yeah, and I can pick that up next weekend. All right. Great. Thank you very much. >> Great. Thanks. >> Okay. Let's see. 60

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Bliss Road. Next stop. >> Good evening. I'm Rick Sharon from Sharon Associates here on behalf of Nathan and Kevin Ferraro who are with us this this evening. >> Hey, Sharon. Long time no see. >> A long time. >> Yeah, well, a few months anyway. >> Yeah, anyway.

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>> Very good, Kevin. Um this is a project where um I'd like to take the existing cottage that's on this site. Uh it's a one bedroom cottage and uh replace it with a new one bedroom uh I guess we'll call it a residence as

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opposed to a cottage. I would have a It's going to be built on a slope as you can see. There's a lot of contour lines from Bliss Road up to the top. This is a really quite a hill of sand. Uh pure sand from what we could see from the test pits and um no water table

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issues at all. Uh but because of it because of the drop in the grades, they want to have a a garage on the lower level they can drive up into and then uh have the living space up above. So, all in all, it's about 1,100 square feet in the living space on the top. it would be

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a one bedroom. It's just slightly bigger than a than an ADU basically a 900 square foot ADU. Uh again it's a one bedroom home. Uh new leaching field and septic system would be at the back corner of the property as far away from the wetlands. You see the wetlands on the opposite side of the

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street of Bliss Road. Uh that's uh on I believe that's association land over here is a VBW which we marked and Mark was able to go out and take a look at the flagging on that. So we think we're we're we've got that marked out fairly well. Uh you can see the yellow line here is our 100 foot buffer zone and the

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driveway that we're proposing to put in to get to the to this drive under garage uh would be a gravel driveway so it's about uh 670 square feet that lies within the buffer zone. That'll be all gravel running down the hill uh to the paved uh access access where I'm on

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Bliss Road. Uh in addition to that uh we've got a number of this whole lot is covered with tall pine trees way beyond their useful age and they're dangerous quite frankly and to put a new house in there >> of time. >> and without removing them would be would

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be malpractice. So the proposal here is to remove the trees on the lot, those that are within the buffer zone and perhaps some of the others but at least those within the buffer zone uh would would be stump ground so there'd be no disturbance uh through removing stumps uh within the buffer zone.

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And that may be done even going up the hill but the very minimum at least would be within the area of jurisdiction. >> Are you going to ball park take them all down? >> I believe they're going to take most of the trees down. Yes, I think that they all have to come down. They're just too tall. They these are these are 60 foot

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trees and there's no way to get 60 feet away from them. So and and as you know once you start taking a few of them out the rest get weaker because they don't have they they can't lean on each other when the wind blows. >> So unfortunately I think we have to we have to clear the trees on this site and

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um and then they can replant and uh >> Apparently pines grow very well in that soil so until the ants get to them. Well, they're probably in these already. >> If you look If you look at the bottom, you always look for the sawdust. >> Uh-huh.

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>> What's that percent coverage? I'm sorry. >> I don't have that on here. I was not that prepared. I can probably get some zoning notes up here. I do zoning. >> Proposed coverage? >> Yeah, 28 2.3%.

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>> Say it again. 20 >> 22% 22.3. >> coverage. >> Yes. >> And the whole house is out of the buffer zone anyway. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And the septic of course is is out. They do have the well up in the front. You can see that the front of the property.

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And again, that's one of our restrictions. It pushed us to the back of the lot because 100 ft takes us right back into that rear corner. And then as it turns out, we have a neighbor to the rear uh on Churchill Road who's got a well that's underneath there in the We're in the cellar.

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So we found out about that even after we did the perk test cuz we had a couple [clears throat] more perk holes over in this corner, but they were within 100 ft of the arc of that well, so >> You had one spot. >> Yeah. It couldn't be in a better spot, could it, huh? >> And the house is what? 1,000 sq ft?

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>> It's about 1,100 as proposed. >> Just over 80 units, I see. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So how How how wide is the gravel driveway you're going to Is it paved the entire >> It spreads out to the width of the of the house because it's a two like a two-car entrance coming into there.

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Two-car >> Okay. >> two-stall garage, I should say, going in. >> So So is there any plans um once trees come down, and I think this question already got asked, but in terms

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of plantings >> We don't have a formal planting plan. It'd just be a question of just stabilizing it with the wood chips. You know, you know with the stump grinding always get the chips and everything they kind of throw back over it. So, we'll get that that back in place temporarily and

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>> Nathan, do you have any plans on planting in the front there? Is that going to be lawn area or just >> Yeah, I don't have any plans yet. I just want to get through one step at a time. >> At this point he's got a pine needle lawn. So, that's going to have to be replaced because it's not going to stay pine needles.

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>> So, I have a question. So, this is an existing house that you guys are going to build an ADU on? >> It's It's slightly bigger than an ADU and it's going as a primary residence. In other words, you can't You can't do an ADU without having a primary residence that's twice the size, right?

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In this case, they're taking They're taking down an existing one-bedroom cottage and replacing it with 1,100 sq ft house. >> How much bigger? >> And I say cottage because it's on little wooden posts and everything. It's It's not constructed like like like a residence would be.

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>> So, if you lean on it too hard, it'll fall over? Is that what you're saying? >> Well, it's It's held up pretty well all these years, all right? But But as a cottage, it's a lovely little cottage, but as a year-round residence it It's unneeded, right? You don't really have a >> No, it's viable.

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>> So, it's It's really not made for year-round living. >> And all we're looking at is the driveway. >> Is it driveway? Is that street clearing? >> Yep. >> Tree clearing for the driveway, which is going to be gravel, so it will All right.

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>> And you I assume you're taking care of the whoever you hire to [clears throat] take down the trees and chip up the the stumps is going to use the They're using blocking to prevent anything from going into wetland. >> Yeah, in fact we've got We've got the silt sock all the way

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across the front and turned up at the ends or I turned closing >> To catch anything coming down the hill. >> Yeah. >> So you call so we would need a negative three determination with having called Mark to inspect the silt station

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and I really think we need to add that the driveway remain >> Gravel. >> Yeah. >> I think frankly if it were paved we'd we'd be way over the 25% so even though the lot coverage alone demands that it

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remain stone driveway. >> But it still doesn't hurt to add it on our >> [laughter] >> I mean he's going to be driving down there looking at it all the time. I would like to have it in writing on our >> It's a good reminder. >> Yeah.

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So okay so a motion to issue a negative three determination with siltation barrier being checked by the agent and the driveway will remain gravel. >> So moved. >> Second.

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>> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Okay. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you all. Have a good evening. >> You too. >> All right. Take care. Talk soon. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Take care. >> Good luck.

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>> Appreciate it. >> Okay. >> Next. 15, 16, and 17 Shore Ave. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Are you here for that? >> No, but this is it's it's been continued to 6/9.

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>> Oh, I see. Okay. Sorry. We went over this today and I said, "How come it's not in my packet?" Because it's not until 6/9. All right. So, motion to continue the RDA for 15, 16, and 17 Shore Ave to

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June 9th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. So. 15,

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16. All righty. I didn't read that all the way through. Next up, 15 Island Road. It's a request for a certificate of compliance. Mark. >> Um so, I was out there today.

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Um we're I actually Nancy and I went out there about I think about a year ago in the backyard. I mean, there >> When you first Yeah, when you went there, right? >> Yeah. >> I think I forgot that part.

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>> Yeah, but it's it's it's stabilized. The lawn is is in um >> You got a nice picture of it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So, um >> What's your recommendation? >> I I would issue the certificate.

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It wants right on the wetland there, but >> All right. So, I'm looking for a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 15 Island Road. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye.

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>> All right. 15 Beech Tree Drive. >> How you doing? >> Good. >> Hi. >> Hello. >> Hello. Could you state your name, please? >> Sure. Paul Chicoine. >> Okay.

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Um I think we can all see that Mark has um done a write-up on this one. Um would you like to speak first? >> Uh sure. Um

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I basically want to do what I what appears to me to be some landscaping across the street on 15 uh Beech Tree I'm trying to solve two problems. One of them there is no way to turn around

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with my trailer. If I come down the road and I go up and somebody's blocking the one access I have to be able to turn around, I can't turn around. So, what I want to be able to do is come down and easily be able to back into the driveway. And then I can turn around and go that way. It's 40 ft the the length

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of the the the tongue of the trailer, and the rest of the trailer, and the motor, and I can just barely make it out. Um if the neighbor put in a fence, or they put in a tree, or they put anything in at the corner, it would almost be

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impossible to turn around on that road. So, that was one thing I was trying to solve um by doing this. And the other one is uh there's a uh an area to walk through to get to the rest of the lot has all these loose rocks that are a massive tripping

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hazard. I would just like to be able to cover that up so that it's possible to walk back there without tripping. So, that's kind of what I was what I was looking for. Those That was the two major things I was trying to accomplish.

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>> Okay. I think um I think Mark I think I think it's a little more complicated than that, but I'm going to let Mark handle this one. Everybody has Mark's handout. >> Okay. So Are you done? Can I ask you a question, Paul? >> Yeah, please. >> So, um

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the material that I mean you you submitted when we got the RDA. I I'm just trying to understand because there's it it the material that you you provided it it it creates

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in my mind a little bit of of confusion because I it's hard I mean you're mentioning um >> Paul >> some of these boulders dealing with that, and then there's a couple trees you want to bring down, I guess. But, I'm looking at um

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Well, this is this is the >> That was my Yeah, that was the original drawing that I submitted with the RDA just to get the conversation going. Um there are um a few mounds of dirt or uneven areas

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that are back there. Uh that's probably the dirt that came from the foundations when they put the houses in along the shore. Um so, basically, I just wanted to level the area off. Knock down the knock down the hills and you know, just spread it around so it's

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level so I could so you could drive in there. >> Okay. Well, if we look at the actual request for the determination, it actually says to approve the lot by grading high-low areas with approved clean fill, >> Right.

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>> which is way different from what an RDA would be acceptable for. Um moving stones and removing a few trees, which I think we'd probably need to know how many and what kind of fill so the lot is more usable and safer

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to navigate. Um you know, this is a very environmentally sensitive area. Let's put it that way. And I think Mark has gone back and looked at some other plans. The plan I know that you had a

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well and scientists come in and mark off the wetland areas. He flagged the wetland areas, but um you put it on a plan off the town website and I think we all know the

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the lot lines on the town website aren't always very accurate. So, when we go back to what was proposed in when was the uh 2010,

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there's a plan that shows the wetland area as way different. >> This is Is this Do you have this that you you you you gave this to >> Yeah. >> Do you have that? Okay. >> Yeah. >> And that's the same thing. >> Yeah, so the new one the new one is the one that I just had done.

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>> Right. And so you did have Steve Schmill come out and and delineate the wetlands. So >> Did he do a plan or not? Is that what >> But it's No. But it's not on a plan. >> No. It's and it's it's Steve I believe That's that's his

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>> that's uh yeah that's his uh That's his drawing. Yeah. >> Back in 2010 when I was assigned a um a number by DEP, their comments was this is not a buffer zone only project. If

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wetlands are being restored, please refer to the inland wetland replication guidelines. So um >> [snorts] >> I think it's Steve's flag We need an engineered plan is what I think. And I think Steve's

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if he has flagged it, we've had Steve do other things. He does a good job. But it's not We don't know where the lot lines are. You have a plan that you pulled off of the town website, and that's not accurate. >> Yeah. Um >> And if there's any kind of fill going in a wetland area, you need There's a lot

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of other criteria that need to come into play, especially in this area. You know it's a very sensitive area on Beachwood, and that whole wetland area is >> Well, part of part of what I'm trying to figure out is what what can I do, what can't I do,

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what's what what do I have to do to move forward? Right? I'm not a professional, so I don't do this. So I'm kind of looking for advice. I know what I want to try to accomplish. I'm just trying to figure out is the >> If you can >> Is the If it fits within the

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regulations, then I think that's what Mark is saying and hit when he has done his research on this is that you need a notice of intent, which includes an engineered plan. So if there's any filling of any kind of a wetland area, you'd have to do

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like compensatory storage. If you fill in any piece of a wetland, you got to see where that water's going to go. The wetlands are like a sponge to take up the water. So, if there's any impact on the wetland area, there has to be engineering proof that that

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water's not going to go on somebody else's property. >> So, none of none of the work would actually be done in any of the area that was tagged as wetlands. >> No, but >> This is all in the buffer that is And the the right-hand side of the lot is

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known because that lot was just surveyed. So, I'm only thinking of working just on the right-hand side. >> But, we don't know that if we don't have a surveyed plan that we can look at and see where it is. >> Do you know who surveyed it?

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>> Uh Oh, I don't I mean it was the neighbor. I could ask the neighbor. So, the next step is the survey. >> There are two ways to to apply for this kind of thing. One is a request for determination, which is the easiest way. >> Yeah.

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>> And and you're and you're right. Um in a lot of cases it's a hand-drawn drawing. Your this project seems to be a little bit more >> Well, when I applied for the RDA, that was kind of like if I could do everything to this, what would it be?

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Right. And then when the the wetlands was tagged, and I could see, all right. Well, the minimum part would just be on the right-hand side. I mean, that's really the only part that I that I would really like to get done.

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Right, and that is the furthest away from the tagging. It's at an extreme. It's 65 ft away from >> the wetland >> the wetland tag. And I'm I'm trying to figure out >> don't have a lot line on an engineer plan, we don't know that that's 65 ft away.

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>> Okay. Okay. >> So, so uh when we first talked Paul uh my understanding is what how you described it that that you have a boat you're trying the trailer you're trying to figure out how you can use your property

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there or turn it around. And and so that was more up front um >> front >> And before before >> Yeah, front and front and right-hand side. >> And and it was before Steve Schmiel had gone out and he his diagram shows and I

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and I I walked out and looked at the flags but it it looks like from from this figure that at least it's you got some wetlands on the left side of the property. >> Right. >> Um and then the one that kind of really

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uh got me thinking was uh you had brought I think you you this is the it's the uh site plan that that >> Yeah. >> you brought in. >> 15 years ago or something. >> Yeah, and wetlands wetlands can change but it's it it's it's a pretty significant difference you know the

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farther you move back. It shows that I the wetland actually crossing almost the entire property further in the back is is how I see that. So >> He did he did walk all through there. >> Yeah, so yeah so >> And and came out with a bunch of ticks

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on him. >> Yeah, [laughter] so so so maybe it maybe it's changed. >> Yeah. >> Um I don't I don't And this is old and and a delineation for a wetland my understanding is it's valid for 3 years. So maybe the site

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plan that that you'd done previously 2010 I don't know which one would put take precedent maybe Steve's but I know you also have that mound of dirt. You have the shed that was on your property your neighbor >> Right. >> you know there was that whole issue and

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you we got that >> accomplished. I got that one thing accomplished. I got the shed which was on my property moved. Right, which which that now makes available that area to be able to utilize for something.

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And I was hoping that I could get rid of the dirt or or level it off. >> So, that's where the shed was? >> And be able to And that's where the shed was, yeah. >> Now, my service go back 15, 20 years. Weren't you parking your boat on a trailer across the street? Somehow

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parallel with the >> Yeah. Yeah, at an angle. >> Yeah. >> Back there. Yeah, I mean, right now it's I can I can go down the road and if I've got a spotter, you know, for the most part, I can back up and I can go into the

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driveway and then I can come back out and then I can park the trailer. >> But, if there's another human being >> But, if there's No, if the if I if the neighbor plants a tree at the corner of his property or he puts a fence in that goes to the property, I've got a real

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narrow area that I'm trying to take something that's 40 ft long and try to back it up on that narrow road and be able to get it into the driveway in order to be able to get back out to go left. So, there's literally there's literally no way to turn around on that

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road. >> So, >> That's the hard part. I mean, even if I went up the hill and I came down, there's one little area that goes down to the beach, the other beach, that if there's no car parked there, I can actually back into that area and then

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come out. >> I learned this trick years ago from a guy with a boat. Do you have a front hitch? >> No, I have a Highlander. >> Oh, you probably could put a front hitch on the You put a front hitch on it. Believe me,

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you do marvelous things with a trailer. Just kind of you you we can really stick them somewhere as opposed to hanging off the back. >> Right. So, the only thing is is if he's got company over, he's got somebody parked there, I just have to leave it across the street until I can make

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arrangements for the cars to be moved. And then I can go down and I can go back in. So, but so it's so a lot of this I'm just trying to solve a long-term problem. >> you want to do this? Well, um so,

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I'm thinking um that because this is such a significant area in the wetland, I still think you need a notice of intent because on an RDA we can't put a lot of conditions because they're not

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enforceable on a RDA. On and that notice of intent it is and I personally would feel way better if we have an engineered plan that shows the wetland line and you put some kind of markers or some kind of

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uh it doesn't have to be a fence, but some kind of markers that clearly show where that wetland is so that when you're backing that trailer in, it doesn't end up going into the wetland so that you know where it is and what land you can use because we're not saying you

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can't use the front piece a little bit, right? We're just trying to protect that wetland area and I think we can do that. I think you can get what you want and we can get what we want if you file a notice of intent. >> Which would mean having a plan done by an engineer.

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And having a plan done. >> Okay. So, that's what I'm trying to figure out if the what do they call that? The the juice is worth the squeeze? >> [laughter] >> Right? I mean, it's It sounds like it would be. >> Yeah, cuz then you have land

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>> like it would be. It would be to me. >> Yeah, but it it Okay, cuz I was looking at that. I was thinking of that and And when I did call around, it sounded like probably even the cheapest of plans was 3 grand. >> Yeah. >> Right? That's not counting, you know, if this tree is coming down I'm cutting

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then I'm having somebody take trees down and then if I have to have a little, you know, excavator come in, all of a sudden this became like a $10,000 project. >> decide what you want to do and try to get it done as basically >> Okay. >> We can't go by monetary

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>> Well, the the only important thing is saying a little a little a landscaping project to do what I'm seeing, you know. >> Well, but it's not. It's you want to be able to turn your trailer around there. It's that was your number one thing you said when you came in here. >> if you can clear it, you could you just

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park your boat there, right? That's where you would park your boat. >> Yeah, I could I yeah, I could. My my yeah, yeah, you could you could do that as long as you don't no tree fell on it. >> [laughter] >> I don't have any pine trees. They're all they're all We all think those are us. They're all hardwoods, yeah.

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>> So, to to Nancy's point, too, um you know, I did that's how I I the discussions we've had, that's how I've understood it. That you're trying to use that front part of the lot and then it becomes looking at what, you know, you you provided. It's okay, we're

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going to take down a tree in the back. I want to get to the back. I under and I understand cuz it's your property, right? You want to be able to use it. But the RDA doesn't doesn't cover that that kind You know, when you start going I want to do this, I want to do that.

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And the one thing with the NOI, you can say what you want to do, you know, you can >> And what I would suggest is you think of anything you could possibly want to do on that, put it on the notice of intent. You don't have to do it right away, >> Yeah. >> but have it recorded and then you'll,

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you know, if if if we can loan and it gets approved, then you have you can do all of that stuff. >> Okay. >> Don't have to do it right away, but you can do it whenever you want. >> How long How long would that be in effect? >> It's valid for 6 >> Like let's say you let's say I didn't do it all in 1 year. If I had

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>> gave you an order, our conditions is good for 3 years. >> Oh, 3 years. >> And then you can extend it. You can If you're not done, you come back to us within the time period and you can extend it. >> Okay. >> And there's the one piece I talked to Steve because I talked you know we

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talked about he's doing other stuff for us, but I mean he did it you know he's you know he said he crossed the property, right? He delineated it, but it's not geo-referenced. You know, so it doesn't fit on a a plan. You know I mean it's already

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done. You can probably get Steve back Well, I can't speak for Steve, but the flags are there. I mean I was out probably two two weeks ago. And there's you know you you know we >> know when it was flagged? >> Uh March 26th.

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>> you the bill. >> I think it was March 26th. He said Yeah, he said I think he said approximately >> The flags are there, but what that survey surveyor engineer when they do an engineering plan, they just take where those flags are and put them and then they survey where your lot

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lines are put the flags on the plan. >> Right, but that's that's half the battle if the if the thing's already >> flagged. >> delineated. >> Right. >> Yeah, you already paid for that part. Just Right. You don't have the Starlink or whatever. >> And you used a very good delineator that

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we know pretty well. So we're not really going to say oh you need a peer review on that because >> Right. >> Middleborough and Lakeville both use Steve and he does a really good job, so >> Are there are there Do you have a list of engineering firms that that like I'm I don't live in Lakeville,

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so I don't really know anybody from here. I certainly don't want to pick a company that you guys have problems with. >> Yeah, we can't we can't we can't suggest, but >> Lori has a list. >> Lori has a list. >> Okay, and everybody on that list is

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is good. I mean >> I I've never seen a list, but I don't >> Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. >> I like the note on this back document. Nice flat area. And that's technical talk. Nice flat area. >> Yes.

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>> [laughter] >> Reasonably flat. >> usually see that in mapping. Nice flat area. >> Not exactly the plains of Rohan. >> [laughter] >> Let me go back to old English. >> Yeah. >> Uh So, that's what an NOI, if that's, you

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know, you you want to be able to level it out to be able to get back there as long as you're staying out of the you know, the wetland. >> Right. >> You can probably do what you want to do. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Just put it on paper. Um >> Yeah.

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>> And it's just in you know, >> Yeah. >> I'd hate to go through this I'd hate to go through this big expense if it comes to the end and it's like, "Yeah, you can do it." >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> It was like, "Oh." >> Well, if you don't do it, you definitely can't. >> Yeah. >> So, I would it would be it would be worth my while

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in your situation to do it, but I can't speak for you. >> All right. >> And and literally, as I mentioned, you check front hitch. So, there's a amazing [laughter] how how you can move a trailer around. It's it's astounding. It's all the bits

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in the world. >> Oh, I know. >> I know. >> You want to make it a V2. >> Yeah, you Yeah, the four the four four-wheel drive ATVs, you move a lot of a lot of weight. Real fast. >> So, um >> Then I didn't have a garage to put it someplace. [laughter]

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>> In conclusion, I think we should um check the box I do not have a um determination with me which box to check, but it'll be the box that says you need a notice of intent, but I think it would be on our part to give you

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credit for your um fee that you put in for the RDA and use it towards notice of intent. So, that will help a little bit. >> Good suggestion. Okay. >> So, that's kind of a looking for a motion.

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>> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Okay. Mark, I hope that you can give me some guidance on what I'm supposed to do next. I need that that list of people.

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>> Yeah, and Lori has that. You can give us a call and um Again, I you know, I mean I you're getting credit for the the fee for the RDA. You've already paid to have the wetland delineated. Um

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Um Um and Yeah. So, there's some things that are already in motion. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All righty. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. >> So, next up

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>> is Panatieri Drive. All right, everybody should have a plan. Uh Tina Panatieri had been calling me quite a while. Quite a few times and she has need wanted to buy from the town

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12 square feet of land off of Panatieri Drive. That's all she needs to make a legal lot. She wants to buy it off of Town Lakeville. My suggestion to her was >> For real? >> I don't think that's going to work. >> [clears throat] >> So, I and I thought thought it, thought

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about it. She had called me a few times, and I kind of looked into it. And then, um >> So >> I realized that it abuts the Pickens property. You see the town of Lakeville. And so, um

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my suggestion to her was, "How about a swap? How about if you need that little piece, you can see the little pink piece on the side, but you really need to make it worth our while." You can't just say, "Okay, we'll give you 12 ft for 12 ft." You really need to

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make it attractive if this is going to work. So >> So it's right in Pickens' property? >> Yep. >> Not two dollars. >> See, it's town of Lakeville. So in exchange for a trade of that little

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12 sq ft area, they would like to give us 4,104 sq ft that would attach to the town of Lakeville property. So, I don't think it it's um

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Pickens is under conservation. So, I don't think it's actually our decision to make, but I think we should take a vote that it's a pretty good deal. >> Sounds like. >> To and pass that on to the selectmen, who would have to do all land things. I don't even know at this point if it has to go to town meeting or not. All I know

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it's not a bad deal. >> So moved. >> [snorts] >> Second. >> Anybody? Uh any discussion? >> I I like the idea. >> Yeah? >> Can't lose. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> I. >> Okay. So, we'll say we're in favor of

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it. All right, that was easy. All right, I'm going to keep that. Uh let's see. Needs N O I credit for the

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All right, so After all these years, I still can't spell Panetierre. N E T T I E R I Um well, not approve. What's the word?

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To recommend. Okay, up in the Nemasket project. We I passed this out everybody. It's the same thing. Um we are >> Dredging? >> No, they're restoring the bank on the Nemasket. And I passed this out in the

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past to the commission. So, now they need this just so many things between permitting and this and that and every other thing that they need all the landowners in that vicinity to sign the letter that says, you know, we're in favor of this happening.

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>> And we're a landowner? >> We are we oversee that piece on the Nemasket down Staples Shore is under conservation. >> Yeah, okay. >> Um so, it's the same thing. I don't know if it's totally up to us or not. I get confused on these things. It might be up

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to the selectmen, but since it's under conservation, we need another recommendation that yes >> Why wouldn't we? >> Right. We It's just a formality as far as I'm concerned. >> And that was property that was gifted to the town, I believe, right?

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>> Way back, yeah. >> Way back. >> Yeah, pretty good size piece. >> Yeah, yeah. >> So, I guess it would be a um a vote to sign this letter. Or vote need to sign this letter as chairman, and then we'll pass it on to

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the minutes. I recommend a yes to do it. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I. >> Okay. Very good. How easy is that? All right, Joe, you're up. >> Make a motion that we accept the minutes of the Town

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of Lakeville Conservation Commission meeting of March 10th, 2026, as presented to us. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I. Um I was going to bring up something under old business, but I'm just going to put

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it on the next agenda, I think, Mark, that two-beach tree. The vista pruning thing. >> Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. >> We'll put it on the next agenda. >> We wouldn't want Mike Knox to miss that. >> No. >> [laughter] >> So, motion to adjourn? >> Yep.

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>> Just a sign. >> Thank you. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right.