##VIDEO ID:FYh3QboqMsI## [Music] all right everyone um good evening and welcome to the November 26th meeting of the Lakeville Conservation Commission I would like to ask if anybody is recording Lake cam is recording tonight but no one else is okay so we'll do what we always do we'll go around introduce ourselves John leblan Bob rard Joseph Chamberlain Nancy Yates Michelle bashard [Music] remote and Joshua far remote all right so the first item on our agenda tonight is change of meeting time um we've had a request to um decide if we'd like to start our meeting starting next year at 6:30 instead of 7 how does everybody feel about that I make a motion to change our meetings from 700 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. for the year 2025 for the fiscal year 2025 year I if I say fiscal that's different the fiscal starts July yeah for the year of the Year 2025 okay good do I have a second second discussion all right yep discussion uh how how dides this come about did we take a poll or I can't honestly say who requested it I did okay oh I brought it up our meetings are our meetings are getting continually longer and we've had a couple that have gone all the way to 10 o'clock um and so we actually discussed it after a meeting a couple meetings ago how we could push it back to to end at a more reasonable time especially for some of our community members who might have younger kids um or it's just past our bedtime if we get up early for work the next day um 6:00 was a little too early uh to start for some people and so we met on 6:30 we just felt like it was a it was a good compromise so we talked about it a couple times after the last couple meetings and that's how we got to this okay sounds good we have a motion in a second any more discussion all right because we have two people on Zoom our votes tonight will be roll call votes so we'll start with Josh bar I Michelle Michelle bashard I Yates I Chamberlain I who I little blank ey all right so 2025 will start be starting our meetings at 6:30 I'll send out a reminder when we did this with CPA I was late for the first meeting the reason I asked is years ago long time we changed it uh once just for the summer and once all year and we we changed it back because it wasn't I not trying to start trouble but just want you to know the the thinking that went on okay you changed it back why because it was because we we we took a vote and people were was for one reason I I don't recall maybe work hours it was it was work hours people could get sounds about right yeah all right well if it comes to that then we'll have to change it again but now fine so that people will know when they're doing their filings all right can we just can we can we just confirm that Lon uh accomodate that new time I just got a thumbs up so but I I will okay sounds good okay all right next up Pine Crest Village uh Pine Crest Village what we needed was an order of condition so I think Josh and I together did this Josh did you get the email to see the updated order of conditions I did thank you Michelle I think you read it at the office I did and I also reviewed what came through the email this afternoon as well okay that I think she was just typing it up should be the same thing um correct has everybody else had a chance too all right um I think you know I had a real problem with the location of this subdivision it's a two house subdivision and I really had the feeling that um it's in a very problem prone area that's had a lot of problem and the people down below this subdivision have worked really hard over the years with their Frog Pond to correct their problem with the drainage so this being above them I just wanted to make sure in this order of conditions calls out that we can there's um the maintenance and inspection of it is is going to be re-recorded on their certificate of compliance um we'll have to be notified when it goes from the owner to the homeowners association which is only going to be two houses and that if any time in the future the system fails to perform as specified in the notice of intent um that we can step in and get it fixed to protect the people down below so so can I have a motion that this order of conditions can be sent out so moved second any discussion question yep on page one of 13 I think it's 13 uh on the bottom where it says location it's got Wham yeah that was now mine says lakel I think Josh had done it on his that he already had there were a couple with with wayam floating around yeah right but the updated one which I thought i' put down in front of you has leville on it you must have got an old one by mistake or it might have been in the packet as that Joe what Joe say m mine says leville yeah mine says and Lakeville it will definitely I'll look at it again before it goes out all right cuz otherwise the reg of deeds will be really confused that's why okay the original the original packet copy from last week had the older version in it okay all right well that's that's why all right it's fixed now um so we have a motion a second all in favor I I wait a minute roll call vote sorry I'm G to keep forgetting Josh bar I Michelle bashard i y i chamain i bushard i leblan i okay done 117 Nelson's Grove is a request for determination please step up to the microphone I think we continue this last time because there was nobody here to speak to it correct yes my name is Andy I'm from H Waterman building remodeling how you doing okay so can you please tell us what you want to do um so there's an existing deck that's on the property now okay um what we're planning to do is remove the existing deck boards reframe it dig some new footings and then put it all back together we're not changing the footprint of the property okay do we have a plan with us no was that that it was in the old packet from last time but I think nobody was here to speak to it I think um we had a question about what you're going to use are you going to use any Machinery to dig the you don't have to redig the post holes yeah we're going to dig them by hand you're going to dig the post holes by hand so that will be the condition how about some kind of facilitation barrier should anything go in the water we can set one up if if you need us to what we usually do when you're working on a property on on any of the ponds is say have a condition be if anything should go into the pond it needs to be removed immediately yep um so how close are you exactly to the pond the front part of the deck is probably 10 to 12 ft away and then the further is probably another 25 ft 30 ft away you're not going to be disturbing any previously undisturbed soil right correct basically the footprint of what's there now is going to be where exactly the same are there footings in there now yes I don't know how good they are but there is something there so you putting your foot exactly where those are so pulling those out yes okay I I would say we definitely need a saltation barrier yeah all it takes is that one 15minute brainstorming you up to your ankles and mud yes do you have your original request with you not with me no okay cuz does it you don't know if it says that the um it already says that you would dig the post hols by hand yeah I believe so my office sent it into you okay so I guess I will look for a motion for a -3 determination which is a good thing okay okay uh people get like right negative negative is good yeah um that with the conditions that you will dig the post holes by hand any material that enters in the pond will be removed immediately and you will install an inspection uh saltation barrier and you will call the office to have it inspected before you start work absolutely would you be installing the barrier yourself or would you sub that out to some local landscaper no our you glad do all right it's probably what what's the frontage 50 ft if that if that if that yeah those those are small properties will you identify yourself please Allman turnning sorry say it again Brett MC Turnin okay sorry um what kind of citation fence do you want the typical one with the tall three foot one with just a mesh or do you want the the tube one the tube whatever it's easiest for you to put down CU it's a water it's little more and you don't have yeah you have virtually no slope so you don't have to worry about velocity or anything there understand okay go back to my spot sounds good okay so did somebody say so moved so moved second okay call for a roll call vote I Shard I yat ey Chamberlain ey buard i l blank ey thank you all right off Freetown Street otherwise known as Rocky Woods um we our peer reviewer was not able to make it tonight he's ill so we have talked to the proponent and they are requesting or have agreed to a continuance so here on Zoom pardon me oh well okay here's the thing I had to promise I had texted and called Brandon Brandon I'm sorry you didn't get my text they reconsidered I sent you a text and I tried to to call um okay um they reconsidered and are okay with continuing to December 10th uh under my promise that we wouldn't discuss it at all okay all right all right all right that's okay it's by Zoom so this is not a okay not a big deal okay great feel better yep I appreciate it all right so I look for a motion to continue off Freetown Street Rocky Woods to December 10th at 700 p.m. so moved second calls for roll call vote I Michelle bashard I Yates I jamain I Bard I la blank ey all right done all right next up 74 Lakeside [Music] Avenue is Jamie I'm here [Music] is this a continuation and we're going to yeah and we're going to actually request another continuance okay all right I'm just checking I got to read add by the wrong thing that should be down by Route 79 yeah you opened this I think two meetings ago okay [Music] so we request a continuance um I would say to the next meeting and I'll give you a heads up when I oh I'm sorry you're right J Consulting Engineers for the record 74 Lakes side have uh the applicants are actually are doing some additional testing for the foundation uh right now the proposing helical which was part of our application um in in their uh price in their bidding part of that they're finding that contractors are hesitant in rocky soil and we know on lakes side AV the soils can be extremely Rocky so the structural engineer and varying correct so the structural engineer uh Bob D Roa out of middle he's going to do some additional research and testing probably to find out if we can stay with the helical are have to move to concrete that's uh the reason for the delay and the request for the continuance all right so is to December 10th okay it it's going to have to yeah that that's otherwise it's going to go to January and it probably will um but just in case please all right so I look for a motion to continue 74 Lakeside Avenue to December 10th at 700 p.m. at the police station so moves second calls for a roll call vote bar I Melle bashard I Yates I Chamberlain I Bard I blank ey okay takes care of that oops I forgot my notebook so let's see on so you're also here Jamie for to be Street I am okay all right again Jamie biset Zenith Consulting Engineers for the record here for 2/4 Bedford Street um this is a continuation I think that's been happening over several months yep um my understanding is the applicant is actually meeting on a zoom meeting with the planning board right now okay um in speaking with Niles because this is his project um he relay to me that all outstanding issues with Beals and Thomas peer review is completed um and that nothing is outstanding as far as that's concerned I believe the planning board and the applicant would dealing with maybe some architectural issues with the building but nothing to do with the site itself um so if and we also have we dropped off that final revised information September 30th um is what we have a stamped in on so I believe with that being said we're hoping to get an order of conditions issued or at least one started for a draft so that we can uh proceed forward and I'm happy to talk about the changes that were made as part of it I brought a copy of the um the letter back and forth with beels and Thomas but essentially what it was was they asked for some additional soil testing in the drainage areas they also um made reference to um treatment on the treatment train of storm water um so a First Defense unit was added um they asked us to move our trench drain which goes out to Bedford Street they asked us to make it very clear that it's on on our property so we had it kind of you know floating on the line the property line we pulled it off so that we don't have to deal with Mass DOT on that I just want to ask how how far does the State Property go yeah so they they go right up to the line and we're putting it right on the line but on our side is where it's proposed now and they asked us to make that abundantly clear there 50ft layout there or what I think it's wider than yeah yep um's probably on there right well you know what that's a great great question I don't think it is but it appears to be much wider than that in that area so um and then they also asked about groundwater mounding analysis and how it was done and and we kind of discuss that in the in the letter as well all right so is there something that's not on that plan because if you're asking for an order of conditions we need a plan of record that's clean yes so that has everything on it this plan set is clean with everything on it and that was again that was dropped off according to the transmittal uh the site plans including the 11 by 17s and updated storm water report on September 30th okay so nothing's changed since then not since that plan no our last letter was September 24th to uh bills and Thomas all right so I guess I would think that we could close the hearing and work on an order of conditions that we would review at our December 10th meeting yeah and even if you don't even if you want to keep the meeting open so we can have discussion at the next meeting that's fine as long as an order gets started that would be great okay that might even be better because at that point I can't anybody else have any input on this one to B Street no no all right so I look for uh a motion to close the hearing so moved I'll second that like this uh discussion yes why don't we just leave the leave it open yeah if you leave the meeting open um we can have an open dialogue if there's any issues with the order if you close it I can't technically talk during a public hearing with it so we're stuck without being able to negotiate any conditions all right so then we should continue it okay so then we're just making a motion to continue and we're just saying that we're going to work on the order of conditions yeah and that we'll discuss it on the 10th so we don't have the close and if you have one early if it could be sent over so we could look at it we might expedite the meeting if possible okay I appreciate that thank you we we still have to vote on the original motion okay so let's with somebody withdraw the original motion I withdraw the motion okay Joe hey second second okay roll call vote we're withdrawing the motion fair I Shard ey y ey Chamberlain ey buard ey a blank ey all right let's do another motion to continue the hearing till December 10th at 7:00 at the lakevi police station so moved okay okay we're not doing this 6:30 until right next right next year year that'll be our last meeting that'll be our last meeting yeah okay so I need a second second calls for a roll call vote bar ey Michelle bashard ey y i chamain ey Bard I leblan ey excellent thank you everybody have a good night nothing's easy right see you in a couple weeks yeah you will have a great holiday you too thank you I like this get this right on Q yeah you ready okay so next up is 160 bedfo Street perfect see you don't have to wait that was good thank you for the queue on when to arrive okay this is kind of a weird one compared to a lot of the plans you see yeah I'm sure okay but if you want to be by that microphone it's fine you just have to identify yourself sure I'm going to put this this way so everyone yeah that would be great so we can all see it yeah perfect this microphone y can you hear me well some someone can hear me somewhere it's it's you got to talk loud because these microphones aren't to amplify the sound and just to for calm Gast perfect sounds good Bill Bill Kenny from uh Prime engineering here to present uh the results of recent environmental assessment that's been done at 160 Bedford Street um we were here about a month ago or so all right hold on we got another problem because I got two people on Zoom here so I guess the audience is going to have to wait to see this why don't we turn it around so that it's more important for our members to see it sorry Bill NY the camera in the middle right there so they should be able to see it I believe can can you see the plan yeah I I don't think we'd be able to see the detail of the plan anyway okay so uh don't worry about us the plan was sent via email so yeah okay I'm good okay all right I'm good too okay okay great great so uh we we excavated a series of of U eight test pits all throughout the property on the locations that we talked about before I think we actually may have done a couple more than we had discussed I think we came up up on six and we ended up with test all down to 10 ft um for the most part uh the the material um it's is observable in the test pit logs that I sent over as well was pretty um light colored natural looking soil uh one one location we did see about 16in thick layer of Darker material it was test pit 108 uh on the the Southeastern portion of the property we um screened all the soil samples including the the layer that we saw that was a little bit darker and um for for metals and organic volatil and and um decided that we would submit select samples based on the results of the screening the one sample that we did have from TP 108 at it was at 10 in to 26 in depth which that is TP 108 yeah it's uh right right on the south eastern portion of the property here okay way down there yeah um had um detectable concentration of arsic at 20.1 parts per million in the um reportable concentration set for in the Massachusetts contingency plan or mCP is 20 parts per million so so you were one we were1 yeah1 1/10th of a part per million above um so the the plan to deal with that uh the mCP or or Massachusetts contingency plan um has Provisions for conducting small cleanup activities um referred to as a limited removal action as long as as an or an L as long as um less than 20 cubic yards are generated during a uh an attempted limited removal action uh the material can be um you know excavated and transported off site to a landfill um without the need to notify the D and you had suggested Bourne Bourne landfill is is a potential option they come and go the landfills are are hard to come by these days um but they're they're still running for the next 5 years or so at least graft and landfill is another option but they're um the cost is going up then graft a lot further away yeah yep um and then you a lot a lot of these jobs were were forced out of state and out of the region even so that I don't think that will be the case on this these levels are pretty pretty low they're they're above the residential standards but below uh what a landfill can take in for for reuse you yep when you find something like oik is your first response what that come from yeah sometimes probably from Phil you think yeah proba came from the fill or it's naturally occurring it didn't look like very much even on the edges of the test pit I was looking at the pictures um it kind of looked like it was just a small lens that tapered up on on the edges it probably probably was a a piece of fill of of some sort um the arsic has been showing up in Lakeville but it's usually like near cemeteries I believe yeah that and apple orchards with with Le let arsonic in in other um types of pesticides certainly U pressure treated lumber we we'll see arsic um but for whatever reason it was just arnik and and not any of the other common uh metals that show up with those things like copper and Lead mang yeah yeah sometimes manganese not not that much with wood preserv is in our water oh yeah yeah yeah how about the two sites up in the top quadrant to the right up here 104 there were all those cars and everything was stored how were those soils they they were okay in in fact um those locations we we came Came Upon based on um that I think that was a request of the the commission to do a couple locations up there down to 10 ft so that we could evaluate whether there was any evidence of fil and we didn't see that really uh we didn't we didn't see evidence of Phil Wetland up there so that was that was good same same these um these locations along the northern property line we didn't see we didn't see that there is of course um you know there's some recycled um pavement that's that's present on the on the western portion of the property um but that's you know visibly evident it wasn't wasn't a very thick layer of it so the the the plan in in uh points of compliance for this in order to to achieve compliance with the mCP are not only to remove the soil but properly manage it and document the the management where it goes where it goes yeah has to has to go all into a report um and then we'll collect a couple samples or you know a few samples from the edges and bottom of the remedial excavation we already have one sample From Below um that that fill layer and it didn't have um anything above any any metals or any other items above the U theep standards so we have a good feeling that that it wouldn't have been a leeching issue into groundwater or or um you know more widespread so the the plan for for cleanup um I know I offered that that we would um excavate and place the material on on plastic sheeting and cover it with plastic sheeting until it can be transported to the land fill probably a better option is to um place it into a roll off can like a a a dumpster that has um sheeting on the inside of it plastic sheeting on the inside of it and then cover it um that way it could get picked up and I was wondering about that cuz you're talking about the two plastic sheets above and below I I was thinking to myself yes but they still have to move it again yeah so put it into a rollof container covered obviously when you transporting it's going have to be covered anyway you okay so any comments because this was on an enforcement order so to get that enforcement order cleaned up in order to move on with the original notice of intent um does anybody have any any comments on this one I do I have a question for bill um Bill table one of the soil sampling screening summary uh you have 6 in to 30 in highlighted as an exceedance of the mCP what did you exceed in uh test number 102 that was just a sample that we submitted for laboratory analysis we we just highlighted the entire row just to kind of symbolize that that that um sample was submitted for analysis um okay yeah there there wasn't um I don't believe there was anything in this the field screening that was above it was kind of a spatial distribution thing that we landed on 102 it looks like you have salum highlighted in testfit 106 as being equal to mCP reporting mhm that probably is not there that's that's actually an element that the xrf sees but is almost never there in lab analysis um we can we can run that sample for a lab analysis but I'll be pretty confident that it's not there um okay it it looks like it's highlighted is that just a it's a yeah it's a screening a function of the Excel sheet when it sees something that's higher exactly at at or above the potential reportable concentration with the with the field screening is when we highlight uh when the you're right the the data table automatically highlights okay LD probably means not detectable exactly less than the okay something detection observable LEL of detection level of detection yes that's what it is yeah because sallum shows up twice one with a value of eight and one with a value of 15 in two different test pits and the the 15 I haven't looked closely at it but I would be willing to bet that it's probably not even detected in the lab sample yeah the eight is is the actual detectable level so that would be right on the the line but for test pit 108 that's almost double the detectable threshold and the lab result for 108 was for for thalium was less than 3.83 it's just for for some reason that element doesn't line up um with our field screening instrument it doesn't line up with the the laboratory results and I'm not sure why that is um but it's it's uniform um almost Thro that there's something with that wavelength in the xrf that the screening results show up from time to time and and and don't end up um being any any detectable level and again I asked the question where do vum come from I don't naturally occurring in winds or soils or something like that or Bridgewater soils it I mean it has to be naturally occurring somewhere I just I don't know what minerals necessarily it's it's coming from pit is that on the map the it was detected at in the screening levels in in 108 at 15 parts per million and then and then also in a 106 at a slightly lower concentration it comes from smelting Metals um it's present in ores and Trace Amounts and other metallic materials so the fact that there's been cars and other metallic junk on that it's natural to have Alum as a side effect in the soils there because of torching cutting them into pieces or something like that yes CU heat had to involved right yeah again again all the samples that we submitted for analysis actual lab analysis it was nonone it was not detected above the laboratory detection level remember that site was used for a long time for storage of tires and other sources of before even the the last time we were there which was years ago mhm and thallium is is present in all in anything that has lead um zinc iron so thinking about what that property used to be used for it wouldn't be unusual to have it in some of those pits I don't think it's problematic necessarily though people don't realize how much lead there is in the weights on balancing Ties on you got yeah and there's also a lot of fill in that whole area L only knows where that came from right and that exact spot the second spot going back towards the pond area is there were there's a lot of work that one on there Bill what samples did you send for La analysis it was um so that shows up on table too it was um TP 102 6 in to 30 in 108 10 in to 26 in and then 108 26 in to 120 in so did you capture those two samples that had exceedances yeah uh no we didn't and that's these are just screening levels um for for the um for table one the the thallium that showed up at 8 parts per million we did not submit that sample we did submit a sample that had thallium at a screening level at least of 15 parts per million and it was not detectable via laboratory analysis so do you still have these uh do you have samples on on on like being being chilled right now do you have samples that you could still send I think we do yeah uh if you were if you would humor me and send uh the sample from test pit 106 6 to 30 in no problem say that again s send sample from test pit 106 is that what he said uh six Ines to 30 in that is the one that's identified as having a salum level equal to the [Music] mCP all right so anybody else going forward the next step would be for you to come back with that information I mean I think not just that but also documentation of the cleanup and Disposal uh from from the 108 area right so we we were probably coming back anyways right um but so it won't that's not a problem at all to to um request that from the laboratory okay because we need to get to the next step which is to close out the enforcement order and move on to the notice of intent for the drainage on the back of the of the lot Michelle Adam can we get some document can we get some documentation on where this fill is actually going that it is getting properly removed to a to a site that is certified to take contaminated soil of course yes he he had said that he might have missed it but he already said that that would be documented yeah I knew that there I I'd heard that there was a plan and discussion about a couple options but just to make sure that we get copies of that documentation would be appreciated of course yeah that that will all be summarized in a limited removal action report and that the laws on that are basically Cradle to grave stuff right I mean it's got to be tracked right correct yeah no matter where ends up for this there will be a material shipping record that that goes um gets signed off when it leaves the site and when it gets delivered to the landfill um so so there'll be um documentation on both sides and a weight slip from the landfill great thank you mhm anybody else no all right so I look for a motion in the audience oh I'm sorry yes ma'am well come right up and talk on the I just have a question is any identify yourself so it can beid neighboring okay a butter yes um is there any chance that the uh town is going to do peer review testing on the site on the site by the town do you mean us the Conservation Commission yes I don't think we we do that this is our peer review testing right because this is all going to a laboratory so somebody a peer review would be coming and digging up the same samples I would say the peer riew would be more towards when we move on to the notice of intent for the drainage calculations not necessarily this because this is all coming from a certified lab so I don't think it would help anything to have another person go and dig it all up again to go to the same lab to come up with the same thing because it is going through a certified lab correct yeah yes okay thank you all right but I think when you talk about peer review that would be when we move on to the next step for the notice of intent and the drainage okay thank you okay you're welcome all right so where was I are we looking for a motion to continue to December 10th at 700 p.m. at the police station so moved second okay I have a motion in a second um any more discussion all right calls for roll call vote I Bard i y i Chamberlain ey rard eye the blank ey all right thank you Bill no problem [Music] thanks okay next up is 43 Main [Music] Street also known as the former Lake fi Hospital property the former is right uh for the record joh o l with with Rhino cap the project opponent I have um several printouts of our sort of a slide deck that I can hand out obviously it's not too much help to the folks on Zoom this evening but I we can certainly circulate it after the fact and I apologize in advance to those tuning in virtually we normally do not do virtual but it just worked out no the holiday I imagine throw rench in everybody's plans right and this presentation is much the same as our last presentation so those that aren't joining us in person I think have probably seen this before y that is right um so again for the record joh o lir joined here this evening by my colleague Sam Randall uh as well as Scott Morrison our weapon scientist uh with VHB so as Scott said this presentation is a lot very familiar to the presentation that we gave back um in October when we were last in front of you all um since then we have received comments from the town's third party peer reviewer um and have uh actually addressed those comments uh and submitted a letter um sort of capturing those plan changes uh we've had some back and forth um with the peer reviewer and their team and they're here this evening um so we just kind of wanted to to take this opportunity to present the changes discuss them with the commission uh and then allow any further discussion um surrounding those so because the these are necessarily updated right because I'm looking at Doc to be removed and you change that you are removing the dock but you're leaving the footing right we are removing the dock in its entirety in its entirety correct okay I thought I saw somewhere the there a concrete base that was going to stay there yeah Scott Scott will will touch on that okay um just to to set the stage a little bit um so um as chairman Yates chairwoman Yates had mentioned this uh this project is is for the Fox Estates an 0710 filing for the Fox Estates the Fox Estates is one portion of a larger mixed residential master plan Redevelopment being proposed with the formal Lakeville state hospital um in its existing conditions the property is roughly 492 Acres um improved by seven structures in varying states of disrepair bound to the north by Rhode Island Road Route 79 and the South um by Route 105 Main Street and about a half mile from the intersection of 495 uh and 105 um the Fox Estates is a 68 unit uh age restricted Cottage home Redevelopment um in addition to the cottage homes the project will also include a 5,000 ft² clubhouse that will be exclusive use to the residents uh of the Fox Estates uh as well as Associated road work infrastructure and storm water improvements um the property will also be home to a uh publicly accessible nature trail which is part of the reason for our notice of intent filing that nature trail will will work its way through uh the buffer zone um the other purpose for the notice of intent filing uh is due to the removal of a solid waste disposal area it's about a 1.12 acre uh landfill that exists in the rear of the property um that our team is committed to fully removing and remediating and its entirety as part of this Redevelopment um a small portion of that about um I'm not going to say the number cuz I might not quote it correctly but a very small portion of that roughly 500 ft is um Within the um Wetland area so as part of removing that we obviously have some direct uh Wetland impacts and and um as we discussed in October are committed to um the replication on a 1 to 1.5 uh ratio as part of this this noi so um with that I think that touches on all the summary pieces I'll pass the mic over to Scott okay yeah just just to kind of get you oriented there's you know three Wetlands on Wetlands on the site and a fourth that's located just off site to the the West the Wetland on site as John noted um bordering vegetated Wetland containing a Vernal pool that's why we're in we've got work within the 100 foot buffer zone to that as well as work within the the Vernal pool itself um so we've got that filed um there's two depressions on the site adjacent to the the exit the entrance Road um both of those we provide calculations if I remember correctly we're at like 5800 cubic feet for one and just over 6,000 square ft so it's well below the the um quarter acre foot threshold for it to be isolated land sub at the flooding so those two areas would be non-jurisdictional so the work within the buffer zone obviously installation of erosion controls the vast majority of the work is associated with the waste removal and some additional Landscaping in nature trail a quick question um the solid waste disposal area is just over one acre see you remember that started out a whole lot smaller did it did you discover that there was more to it I remember it being originally like about half an acre for as long as I've been involved in the project dating back to 2019 2020 it has been about that same size we definitely have advanced a few more test pits since originally taking over this project in 2019 but the more you clean up the more you find unfortunately that seems to be the case Okay so again work within resource areas consists of the 60 square ft of direct Wetland impacts so solely associated with the solid waste disposal area as John indicated earlier we're proposing 1 and 1 half to one mitigation so we're providing 350 310 Square ft of additional Wetland replication to meet that threshold also requires water quality sht and army Corp permits which we'll file as soon as we get the order conditions it's a requirement that we can't file until after we've got that all the work within resource areas will be done by a machine in the Upland so no Machinery will ever enter the wetlands um to get that work done we provided some photos again of the uh Solid Waste Disposal area in Wetland one that's proposed to be cleaned so the work within that we sent out an email today regarding was just to clarify that um the dock will be removed so the changes within the buffer zone would be the dock to be removed which we discussed at the last meeting and committed to that also removal of there's an existing brick structure they just want to remove the brick structure down to the slab Foundation uh so there'll be no earth work associated with that just simply removal of that building that's within the buffer zone um and then again we provided some updates kind of the biggest item when we did the peer review was the Wetland restoration they wanted some additional details we've subsequently provided those additional details provided a detail sheet that was both included in the our response to peer review comments as well as in the the latest version of the plan so that hasn't changed that we we just included that that package um I think the last kind of the last items we can let the pview Consultants discuss it the other issue that was raised was there is a significant amount of Japanese knotweed within the this the landfill area the vast majority of that's going to be removed and disposed of with the the refu from the disposal area what it's committed to is after that work's done after the work the landscaping's been done we'll send out a uh landscape contractor it's a licensed pesticide appli licensed applicator because Japanese not we you turn your back on it and it grows so we'll we'll propose treat two treatments of that to to touch up anything that remains to to try and keep that at Bay so that was included I think that pretty much summarizes everything we can give the opportunity to to your peer review consultants if they wish to speak if they've got anything to add to this and just before we hand it over I just do want to give you a quick update on where we stand generally we are advancing work with the planning board um we are on the agenda for uh I think it's December 12th um we are approaching substantial completion with our period comments there um and are also actively working uh through the zoning board process as as well that's part of this sort of larger master plan piece it's also a state pering piece as Scott mentioned which we're continuing to work through as well and have to answer any questions there but um I think I would like to hear from the peer reviewers especially because I'm looking at something November 6th about um the you just said that you will do the Landscaping plan afterwards but um I would just like to hear from them if they have any outstanding issues cuz the last thing I'm looking at there is a November 20th but I don't think that's are you just talking about Fox Estates right now right what are you referring to the their last peer review on that yes so they provided a peer correct me if I'm wrong but they provided a peerreview letter that we provided in November 13th response to I have so many for I'm sorry no problem I don't have anything that says the 13th oh here's not another November 20th hi hi please identify you can help better than me trying to figure this out yes hi my name is elizabth ands I'm a professional engineer um I've been responsible for the peer review for this project I'm Brad Holmes with environment to Consulting restoration Wetland scientist assisting in the peer review Brad yes I think I've talked to you on the phone many times I don't know if I've ever seen you in the flesh before sounds like the first time a joy to be here um so so uh the team from phb has provided a response letter to our initial letter and um we have reviewed that response letter um all items that were on our initial letter have been um resp responded to adequately we have no more issues okay in terms of the Civil site portion of it would you like to speak to the Wetland sure it's um Scott explained um our review kind of Builds on the past review from 201920 issue so at that time we had really nailed down a lot of the Wetland delineation issues and this was just kind of building on that um what we were able to do is work with Scott and HB to beef up the Wetland restoration replication details and then as he explained that Japanese nawe is going to be a a big issue that will be need to be managed so I'm glad that uh they did that and included it so that that could be part of the Improvement so there is really isn't much more to discuss other than what what so no outstanding issues no outstanding comments okay no I don't see any outstanding comments either great like to you do too yeah good and one thing we like to add too is that there was an order of conditions order of conditions issued back in 2020 we can provide a word version of that we can update that to provide like details to the existing plans if it's helpful to the commission and then you can just take that and if there's any special conditions or anything you want to add to it you're more than happy to but I know the commission doesn't have an agent at this point and we figured that that would be a nice step to kind of further this helpful and actually we would ask our peer riewer to review it also and add any recommendation that would be very helpful okay it's a very large project it certainly is well we've been waiting for it for a long time so yeah be a nice they can't be anything worse than it's there right and I'm sure everybody is happy to see it moving along so yeah yes agreed agreed on all fronts um but yeah like got said we can we can supply a Word document of that previously sort of negotiated and approved order of conditions and kind of use that as the starting point okay um and and go from there um does anybody anybody else have any comments questions I'm good I I have a question Nancy okay um so I'm reviewing it looks like a peer review letter number one from environmental Partners uh dated November 6th is there I guess my first question is there is there a different letter we should be working off of um and if not um I know we talked about a 1 to 1.5 restoration it looks like the notice of a tent identifies 510 Square ft of restur and then it says proposing 610 ft of restoration just I get a little Clarity on where we actually stand with those numbers that was one of the comments from the peer review consultant and we've addressed that and provided an updated notice of intent form in the November 13th 2024 response from vhp it's looking to me like that's the only one we don't have or I don't have in my packet I can leave this I've got a copy if you want November 13th yeah I don't have I got a 20 I got a six and October 31st but I don't have that one our secretary was out for a few days okay there's a lot of whatever it is I can email email to you in the morning so you've got a cop to the to Lori at the office okay absolutely all right and we have not issued our second peer review letter yet however we have gone through all the comments and we do not have any issues okay so we'll be getting one more letter from you but it's just basically saying there's no more ISS issues there's no more out November 13th reply which we'll send out to everybody thank you and in that reply we'll include the order of conditions as well old order to it's a starting point yep so we're good yes so are you going to come back do we want to so I I think similar to when I walked in somebody was just continuing to sort of leave open a discussion for order conditions I think that's basically what we would prefer as well in terms of order of operations so um more comfortable with that approach okay CU we're not having another meeting till January so we'll do it to the 12th um December 10th 10th okay and see what happens and then after that we'll go to January so um so I need a motion to continue 43 Main Street to December 10th at 700 p.m. at the Lakeville police station so moved second calls for a roll call vote iard I Yates I Shan Bain iard I the blank ey thank you all thank you very much thank you for coming you thanks all right next up is Myck Street rhod Island Road Route 79 I need to read the notice I need a motion to open the hearing so moved second roll call Y Chamberlain iard I blank ey okay pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 the Wetland protection act the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on November 26 2024 at 700 p.m. at the Lakeville police station 323 Bedford Street on a notice of intent the applicant town of Lakeville is opposing improvements to Route 79 from galfrey road to Cleon Road including sidewalk construction roadway widening storm water management improvements traffic signalization upgrades retaining wall construction and a and Culver improvements the project will occur within the public right of way associated with Route 79 and on acquired temporary SL permanent easements it's also been we hadn't previously had the number but D has assigned the number SE 192 932 welcome even you're up um thanks for having us my name is uh Matt sh with beta group I'm the project manager for the the roadway Improvement project um and I'll let you introduce yourself so John senior project scientist with beta group uh handling pering so I just wanted to go through this Project's been presented to the town at a couple of public hearings in the past I just want to start off with a few overall Graphics uh discussion on the scope and then John will go into what we're actually doing um you know within the the buffer zones and uh the jurisdictional work um so again we're working for the town on this project the town's the proponent responsible for the the design and RightWay Acquisitions um massot is uh responsible for reviewing the project at every stage um they are also uh them along with the Federal Highway are are funding the entire construction for the project um and and again beta is responsible for the design the pro um this is just a just an overview of the project um the yellow area is the project limits it's about 2 and2 miles in length uh again it starts at gay Road and ends um to the east of Route 18 um the Taunton City Line actually runs just along the north side of the roadway um for a portion of the project and then splits off um some of the properties are actually located in Taunton um and there was a notice V 10 filed in the city as well correct already Yes um some of the key improvements uh we're widening the roadway um from its current width of 22 to 24 ft out to 32 ft to accommodate um bicycle Lanes on either side of the road and sidewalk on on one side for the entire length um those components are the the bare minimum requirements for the the state and the federal sources to fund the project uh there'll be new uh curb ramps at the intersections uh reconstruction of the pavement um which is in uh you know very rough shape today um they'll also be uh storm water improvements uh there'll be unlike today where the water is just uh running off the road eroding that pavement um and um you know solids are draining into the resource areas there will be curb on one side and and burm on the other so all the storm water will be collected in the roadway and then treated through a new storm water system um this is just a there were typical cross-section Graphics included in the the plans with the filing but this is a view of what you're look if you're on the roadway what the improvements look like so again we have the two travel Lanes uh for vehicles we have the shoulders um that will'll also be able to accommodate the bicyclists and then the sidewalk on one side um most of the resource area impacts we have are related to the retaining wall construction that's needed um this minimizes impacts to the maximum extent that we can it's the most costly solution but it's the the best solution to minimize impact so um we have in these cases we have sidewalk then there's a highway guard rail and then um the retaining wall and in most cases the the uh some of the Wetland boundaries are between that retaining wall and the sidewalk um as it exists today you mean buffer zone or Wetland boundary lines um it varies but in some cases there the Wetland boundary does exist between where the wall is going and the existing roadway so we are we have direct impacts that joh will review the areas for and we're replicating that impact um so these are just some of the the colored sheets um from the filing um that that show the impacts and I don't know if you want to go over just the overall projects yes again John the beta group go over the overall projects resource area impacts and mitigation and then if folks have specific questions we can flip around the plan set um so as Matt noted to construct this project um we're going to have work both within jurisdictional buffer zone as well as resource areas um 79 in this location is fairly undulating um with some relatively high and dry portions but other portions that are very low lying um many areas you have Bor and vegetated Wetland coming right up to the roadway side slopes uh you have some flood plane out there as well associated with Thompson Brook and then there's the two perennial stream Crossings one is an unnamed perennial stream flowing under 79 and the other is Thompson Brook okay well I know Thompson Brook's over near galfrey Road where's the other one uh the other stream Crossing is one say it's about a couple hundred feet east of uh dolin Road that's not Thompson Brook that would be Thompson Brook that would be Thompson Brook you know I've seen another one can't um yes okay so the my I'm sorry I mixed up the two so the other stream that we're referring to is just west of Southworth Street where that comp 79 just oh by that little that little isolated land subject to flooding does that go under the road it's like right before the intersection where's the intersection uh this is uh the Roe 18 intersection it's by the that way yeah it's go back down so that southw street right there okay how farther it's about 200 ft from Southworth okay so yeah you have the the two streams uh running under the roadway and then you have some Associated flood plane and Riverfront area with those um I originally uh reviewed the site and did a wetland delineation across the whole Corridor in late 2020 uh was a bit of an abnormally dry period at that point though so I did go back out in 2022 uh red delineated um portions of the corridor and rechecked all flags and those surveyed and uses the basis for our plans today just to clarify um you did mention getting the D file number there was really only one comment on it that from D that was just acknowledging that if we were to have Wetland impacts within a wetland maap is an outstanding resource water which at this site uh would do not or staying out of any Wetland MTH as such then we'd need a full1 water quality sht um so we do not need that however we are filing um with the Army Corps as required as well as the city of Thomas work so at a high level um our impacts uh to jurisdictional areas kind of fall generally into two primary categories um one is impacts associated with construction establishment of the new roadway section itself so that's impacts with uh widening the roadway constructing sidewalks retaining walls Etc as Matt had noted um in lie of grading out slopes um across much of the area where the roadways widened we're opting with the more expensive but less impactful approach of using retaining walls um to cut the work off abruptly rather than grading it out further into Wetlands can I just ask a question please I don't mean to interrupt you going back to why you don't need a 401 Water Quality we have no impacts to Wetlands with an outstanding resource Waters and we don't exceed any other threshold in one all right but our Whole Town's under our o RW um that is not the case Okay um to this area there is there is a um surface water um drinking resource in the vicinity I believe it's to the the southeast and so basically any land that would be tributary to that would be out outstanding resource water areas such as you know Thompson Brook and a lot of these other Wetland complexes were impacting actually flow away from it so there's a divide in the Watershed um and so you know that's one of the reasons we tried to keep impacts out of any Wetlands that were tributary to the water supply because that would put us within those requirements okay um and then to your point the other you know there's some other thresholds such as impacting vernal pools and dredging um but we won't exceed the meet any of those thresholds um so you know looking at kind of the first big um category of impact being associated with the new roadway profile and section um we're looking at about little over 1300 ft of temporary Wetland impacts that's associated with being able to get in and construct the walls um erosion control installation um temporary grading Etc all those impacts will be restored in place um existing grades will be reestablished and they'll see the area with a need of seat mixture um and then monitor it for 2 years to ensure that it GRS back uh we will have about little under 900 ft of permanent Wetland impacts so that that's work areas where the works actually directly on the Wetland as Matt noted um you know some areas of retaining walls will result in Wetland fill we are mitigating um so we have 886 ft of permanent Wetland fill that'll be mitigated with uh just under 12200 Square ft of replication spread across three different areas um so that we have replication along each of the leic boxes that we're all uh as a result of the roadway construction we also have some fill within the flood plane about 30 cubic yards that will also be mitigated with a compensatory flood storage area where we're going to offer up uh 45 cubic yards of flood storage so that increase and then we have um about 54,000 ft of Riverfront area impacts um just by virtue of having to do work in a roadway where perennial streams are crossing under about half those impacts are temporary and we be restored um the second you know kind of big uh you know bucket of of impacts is associated with the specifically with the two culverts so that's the unnamed perennial stream and Thompson Brook um those will result in some temporary and permanent impacts to land underwater and Bank um really the most the impact is going to be on on the unnamed stream that is where we're actually going to have a covert extension um so basically since the roadway is widening in that location instead of ripping out the whole covert and replacing it can actually just extend the structure outward and so there'll be some you know fill of stream there to basically CT an additional section um and get the roadway over it and then on Thompson Brook um we're keeping it to just head wall replacement as well as some scal protection um in the river for for large storm events and so I mentioned it previously but we are mitigating um all of our Wetland impacts with either restoration or replication mitigating our flood plane impacts um with compensatory flood storage and we are also um as Matt alluded to proposing um fairly substantial um improvement with storm water it's going to be a closed drainage system deep SL catch basins um some structural storm water bmps to improve water quality and attenuate flows coming off the site um you know when I there are existing catch basins out there but when I was out there I um honestly could could hardly find them most of them were were silted in pretty good cover with leaves yeah covered with leaves um and and you know the the the roadway shows clear signs of uh significant pavement stress and you know erosion gullies um down the side slope so overall um significant net Improvement for the area um for wetlands and waterways you know there are some impacts that are going to be necessary to construct the project they are unavoidable um but we have minimized to the extent that we can and providing mitigation for anything that couldn't be any impacts that can't be eliminated um with that happy to answer any specific questions percentage of increase in perable surface give a sense I don't have that number well you've engineered for it I'm sure yes we have a full storm water report that takes the net increase in impervious area and provides the maximum practicable treatment um for that increase because you are widening the road correct so we do have an increase I just what is I know is going to be taken care of but just want to know what it was yeah we do we do have it in the storm water report I unfortunately don't have it off hand well let's finish with the commission first Donna um anybody else oh Josh is gone Michelle um nothing I would like to see that storm Water Report with the the numbers too though yeah we did we did submit that that's part of the package it's probably in in this giant package right here Josh anything at this point I'm off thank you the um storm water management check list and report is um an empty section in the in the pocket okay that's what I thought the P Fe yeah is empty that's why I'm I'm sorry we were asked to provide since it is a lengthy document we were told we could just provide two copies of the report um so we provided just two copies of the storm water report itself and also a digital submission okay okay if we could just get a digital uh copy that would be great yes we did send one to the town we'll make sure that um that was part of it and and get that to you all right I think I was working with a Lori in the office right pretty large packet okay um anybody from out there Donna you need to come up J katano and I live um the intersection is 79 and 18 and where they're talking about the four drains the catch basins I have been um negotiating with Massad do the last 30 years to try to straighten that out and the last time um I dealt with I think it was a Dan Vieira and a Nicole they came came out and they have fixed it for me and all the four drainage ditches or whatever you catch basins they drain on my side of the property go this way and drain under the road heading towards Taunton well I had somebody shoot the line underneath the roadway and the pipe goes uphill water don't go uphill so the water tends to just flood my area and it's very close to my well cuz I have well water so this is one of my big concerns and the other concern is I'm 75 years old and when they put in this sidewalk the state says I have to shovel the sidewalk in front of my house and I own 600 160 ft you're going to put the sidewalk on my side I'm not going to be able to do it so you can just arrest me because I'm not going I have enough trouble trying to do my stairs in the driveway okay this is all through me okay can we pull up to that intersection of Route 79 and 18 um cuz I don't know if there's any resource areas maybe yeah that area might Beed outside of station yeah it's not but you're going to clear Pon Road she's before clear Pon Road yes so I'm from so aren't you going as far as clearon Road yes so this is Route 18 yeah yep go right9 so what I was saying with jurisdiction is just you have your 100 foot buffer zone coming up to here and then you have your 100 buff coming here the majority of the intersection is outside of jurisdiction I'm assuming your property is right here is that correct I can't tell Maps uh Donna is that yep so this is property here so these are probably the four catch basins that are being referred to yeah but there's a w right down there below there is and so the 100 foot buffer only comes up to here but um we you know we are doing all that work on the roadway and so Matt I believe these are four uh brand new deep SL CET RAC going in right and then where are they going to drain to they are going to drain on my property to the east is that correct no these drain um in this direction um and I believe down to the existing Culvert that goes under route 18 Al it doesn't work that is been rerouted they gave me a map that I can't even see with the magnifying glass okay so and the road where the road is Route 18 you're going to drain these four cits here going to cross over 18 and head towards Taunton that pipe under the road has been closed off it don't work anymore under under route 18 yes okay so that is I'm we're not aware that that's closed that's mot has an easement over that entire pipe so that's something like I can't answer any questions about that I would have to check we can certainly relay the concern to the massot folks and they can get a maintenance team out there has anyone come out to clean that that you're Weare of yes they have but you can clean the area but if the pipe goes uphill the water draining on my property water don't go up here even I know that and then the water just backs up and floods my property which is Highlands there so are you we're not that being we're not touching the pipe under rout 18 and we're not touching the pipe that connects down to this um head wall on this side of the road right um so we would have to reach out to mot to find out uh you know what the situation is there I'm not aware of that issue other than what you've just told us obviously they are involved in this project though right em M yeah but this this cul is actually beyond the the project limits right right on the intersection with those four catch basins right they all come over to my side and drain that way and when they closed everything off they didn't even have to use a teaspoon the dirt to move it and they shut everything off so now the water just comes on my property all right so when you redo those four catch basins right there show me again where they're going drain it down and across the 18 they yeah there's an existing pipe that connects from here across um to another structure in Route 18 and then that continues down and connects into that cul that goes underneath through 18 yeah but it don't work all right so I would think in the project you have to make sure that's going to drain into somewhere that works I always look at Road rebuilding as a version of hypocritic oath first Do no harm don't make it in worse than it was yeah we'll have to um check with m thought on uh the status of this cul but you know based on the information we have the pipe is supposed to drain in this direction correct away from your prop the road is starting to cave in there too I mean it's just not going to be safe somebody's going to get hurt yeah we'll have to follow up with them on what maintenance activity's been done or if anyone has done a camera inspection of that pipe good luck because I've been 30 years at it all right um I think that's good I think that's something that you're going to agree to look into because you can't possibly drain into a pipe that's not draining we have um on other projects we've had a recent project actually uh we had the the district has a maintenance staff where they're able to go out and do camera inspection of pipes this is a different District but I imagine they could they may be able to um consider the same um investigation here sure that would be greatly appre going to have that looked into the sidewalk I would love to know about that that is a state walk correct so the sidewalk uh you know again we're getting outside the the uhw of this scope of this hearing but I will say the sidewalk is going to be owned by the town uh massot has nothing to do with the maintenance of the sidewalk nor can they dictate who maintains the sidewalk okay the towns usually do that they do all right so when they Sal it'll just go into my well cuz my well is right near one of the drainage things that the town man put in and he just put it in and he said oh it drains this way but he never had to dig up any more dirt I mean it's amazing the things that happen at the corner so um the construction of the sidewalk will act it should improve situations like your well because today the water is just running off the road here into this area with the the sidewalk and the curb construction all along here and around the corner that water is going to be collected in the roadway any Sal any salt that's used in the sidewalk drains the sidewalk is pitched towards the road so any of that material will slope into the roadway um then into these new structures and there's a lot there's double the amount of those catch basins that will go in so there's more treatment for that water before it discharges out and then flows across and supposed to flow under that c okay I mean it just I have had that problem for so long sure and now I worry about my well right and as it is they have told me because they've come out to talk to me putting in this sidewalk they're going to take an easement for 5 years to maintain the sidewalk on my property whether I want them there or not and as they come through notice how they're coming from the taunting way and then they're going to kitty corner and cross over and do the sidewalk on the other side right that's safe and we don't even have roads I mean signs down there that say no turn on red the accidents that happened there and they're telling me that they're making the sidewalks wide enough for a wheelchair I mean we don't have much yeah so the intersection will be completely reconstructed um with new traffic lights marked crosswalks at every Crossing uh where where their sidewalk uh it will look completely different there was a large safety study done which I can't get into in this hearing but um that's all been considered but is are they going to take any more of my land cuz I don't want to lose anymore because by you taking what you'd like to have I lose my buildable house slot I believe I don't have the RightWay plans with me uh for this hearing but I believe believe the the 5year um duration you're referring to is for temporary construction easement correct the only permanent impact your property maybe for the um the overhead wires are being relocated right going to come right near my house utility companies need a um permanent easement for a distance of 5T offset from the overhead wires but there's physically I don't believe there's anything on the ground on your property that requires a permanent easement but you will be there will be people reaching out um about the RightWay impact separately over the next okay but I don't think that's a perview for us tonight I we can with the drainage and stuff yeah I'm trying to answer let you get out well thank you because um I just don't really want to have any more of my land taken right but that's not for us our job is to make sure that it doesn't drain onto your property and that will see where it drains that that pipe works all right thank you okay all right thank you and a question I have which again is not under our purview but it saze my curiosity I'm going to assume that the new lights are going to be the new five light structures they're replacing the three light structures right with the one and the two and the two okay one more thing to learn out on the road okay anybody else are you ready to continue yeah um aside from any you know we can take a look into that CT and any potential um you know reverse drainage issues going on but are there any other questions or concerns you'd like us to look into in the meantime um just a big book yeah if this just came in last week I don't think I don't I haven't had a chance to digest it or um are you guys looking for a decision tonight well no um we would love one but it sounds like we need to look into the to the drainage first so we can do that um in the interim if you have any uh questions or concerns that you want to address before the next meeting um I've been in contact with uh Lori with the town so uh she has my contact information if if you'd like to reach out see what more information you can find uh on that unnamed stream sure yeah we do have um again I know it's a large package but there I do have a report that I wrote a delineation report in there for all the wetlands that were delineated so there's specific uh photos and descriptions of every resource we came across okay so I look for a motion to continue to December 10th at 7:00 p.m. at the police station so move second discussion all right calls for a roll call vote Bard i y i Chamberlain I I LeBlanc I thank you all for your time thank you appreciate it thank you send over information is welcome all right next is the enforcement order did everybody get a copy of the enforcement [Music] order at the end we'll do sign no I've already signed it okay did John sign it no you didn't but we'll do it after the meeting okay the enforcement order has everybody seen it um the house on one keing Shores Road um has clear from their house all the way down to as swamps at Pond and cleared taunton's land done damage on taunton's land with a machine in the Wetland Joe and I went out today to deliver the enforcement order but in the rain yeah it wasn't easy as just delivering it because we can't make them restore it or put up siltation or anything else without permission from Taunton so it took me a couple of days to get a letter you got that permission yeah actually I got it rather quickly from Taunton to at least put up a silt fench so none of the Disturbed soils will mitigate into the drinking water so Taunton has given them permission the enforcement order is going to call for an engineered plan identifying the dimensions of the area Disturbed and the method and description of how the area be restored to its original condition so for now they have permission from taunt to put up a station saltation barrier then when they give us some kind of a restoration plan then we will have to go back to Taunton again to see that they give permission for the area to be restored but they were in there with the Machinery in the Wetland some time ago couple years anyway and when I was out there with the neighbor he walked it and he seemed uh he used to work for a survey company and he um thought it was about I didn't bring the tape measure but about 25 25 yards what did what did you think Joe the whole length or the or the frontage yeah just the frontage 25 yard would be kind of big yeah at 75 ft but you know whatever whatever it takes you know this because there's a steady slope all the way down well I would think when we get an engineered plan it will say and how far back it has to be surveyed because I don't even know how much of ta land they impacted going back the purpose of this was was the classic uh Vista pruning but they carried away with the word pruning they took down trees on this oh they took what lot is it the big say again see the house they own both Lots the house and the empty Lot 27 23 y okay and uh Taunton is 24 which goes around are you looking at the yellow one one that's I'm looking at this one no look at the other one okay right you see where taunton's land goes yeah down here yeah the other that first one was off the D because I looked up the D because in fact they do have a right away but if you go back to the other one it's up the side there nowh near the front of where they cleared to the pawn and we don't even know if the people that are in that house now are the ones who had that done but no she did she said they had a little machine in there she told us that one the yes yep so I need a motion to ratify the enforcement order so move second oh second double second discussion any discussion no all right calls for a roll call vote where Josh had to leave Ard i y i Chamberlain eye who eye a blank eye okay I'll set what'd you forget my all right so lastly um we need to approve the minutes of July 23rd 2024 I make a motion to be approved did you check them yes of course you did you check them twice yes as a matter of fact I didn't point you out but I found a mistake in this in this filing right here that with and with and with yes that and there was another one I forget I some minor spelling one of those you know where just slaves through electronic Masters type of mistake so anyway let's do uh the July 23rd 2024 minutes of the town of lakeo Conservation Commission meetings I make a motion be approved as presented to us second calls for roll call vote m i yat i Chamberlain I who sh I a blank ey all right and now we need to approve the minutes of August 13 August 13th 2024 presented to us no no reforms no changes second calls for roll call j i who sh ey the blank ey okay all set um motion to adjourn so move second roll call vote Chamberlain ey who ey a blank eye all right