[Music] okay good evening all two of you welcome to both of you the February 25th meeting of lakel Conservation Commission uh we are be being recorded by Lake cam I
assume neither one of you are recording all right that's good and we'll start by going around introducing ourselves I'm Mark mitton I'm the conservation agent John leblan Michelle bashard the NCA Joseph Chamberlain all
right first on our agenda this evening is an request for determination for one Bailey's way thank you very much uh my name is Bob forbs from Zena Consulting Engineers um I'm hoping this is an easy one for
you this is a uh propos septic repair on an existing home um Lon Pond is the Wetland system it's off the site but the 100 foot buffer zone extends onto the property which is shown right here and the only
work that's being proposed uh in the 100 foot buffer is removing the existing cess pool that's approximately right here and repiping so it'll be some pipe work and everything on the septic system
um is outside the 100 foot buffer and just so the board is aware uh the commission is aware the Board of Health has already approved this plan so um uh talking to Ed Cullen from the Board of Health at the only request he
had is your facilitation barrier on the there's only one between the garage actually there's a piece here and there's a piece the one property line he'd like to see it extend it up y yeah no problem and I already talked to n
about that was agreeable to it so that will just be um3 determination with the condition that you extend the hay bale line and that you notify the conservation agent to inspect th before you start
that's it so moved second all in favor two minutes 55 seconds we don't want you to leave 14492 open to close yeah thank you very much everybody
a great night than for coming okay three Mona Street um we have a request for a continuance for three Mona Street to our next meeting which would be March 3rd 2025 at
7M March 11 what do I say you said March 3 oh 31125 sorry 311 uh 7 at the police station 6:30 at the police station let's start all over again how about I make
the I make a motion to continue three Mona Street to our meeting on March 11th 2025 here at the police station at 6:30 p.m. second all in favor I all right let
me try again 74 Lakeside we have a request for 74 Lakeside and this continuance would be for a month so so um the request is for continuance to March 25th 2025 at 6:30 p.m. at the police
station so moved second all in favor I all righty then uh next on the agenda 160 Bedford Street see that you had time to take off your coat hey my name is Rich Prime
engineering this 160 Bedford Street Bedford Street's on the left here windway the driveway to Mr wind's house is over here um and this area has been graded and we're proposing a really
sizable detention Basin over here the when we first came in front of the commission was concerned about Central contaminants and when we tested with some heavy metals in the
water so the question was made to to clean it up um so most of this area runs this Basin and it runs out through a very small orifice um and so at this
end we're proposing to have what's called a a P Oil absorption they two two rolls in a row that uh basically absorb the metals and because we have
the water coming out of the detention Basin at such a slow rate that this will be effective in removing the majority of metals but you're putting it way on the other side of the Wetland and not where it goes into the
Wetland no this there's a wetland in here yeah and then that drains through a ditch a manmade ditch here so this is Upland and we're just bringing it to the edge of that ditch but it's coming out of the
detention Basin up at the top and it's going to hit before it hits that Wetland am I missing something this is going to come or it's going to bypass no it's going to Spillway into the bottom
one right so so this is a pipe with an orifice Y and it basically runs all the way oh so over here so it's bypassing yeah so it's going to run from here through
this and it's and it's basically you know like a Hol it's not it's not a it's not like a 4in pipe flowing there so essentially where all those trucks packed in the back corner of that lot is going to be a detention basement
okay is there any other the other drainers that's proposed on the front lot you're saying that that's not going to have any we we we're bringing it to an infiltration system but it's Overland flow um we're we're removing filler was
placed within this state layout um and just making it grass and then behind that we have infiltration unit so that the water that come comes in goes into this um and and then the
rest of it spills over into Wetlands where it was always going anybody have any questions and that Pig filter it needs to be changed deily yeah and is that in your operation and
maintenance plan I would assume yes it's in there um and then what we did is we we're putting patio blocks underneath it so the water doesn't run under the sock and we're putting patio blocks on top of
it so that it pulls it down um so the water goes through but it's easy enough to lift the p blocks off replace the the filter sock and then put the pedo block back on is that the designed waiting system
for that H is that a designed waiting system for that or is that something that you created something we created did you talk to the manufacturers to make sure that it would still function as designed to with that kind of waiting oh I know a function as
design the water is going to pass through the same amount of of media even though it's being compressed by the patio blocks yeah you talked to the designers about that it would it would it would um uh diminish the
hydraulic capacity of of the media in words it would go slower because it'd be less void but there'd be the same amount of of media in it so that it would still be effective at removing the that's why
we made it we made it so long so that there was plenty of hydraulic capacity so after it hits that treatment sock it's going into that other Wetland and under the street and onto the other
property yes okay as you know we're going to ask for a peer review ask for what a peer review so Mark I'm going to let you address what you did on that um so I've reached out
uh to three potential peer reviewers um right now I we're going to have to reach out to a couple more um GF um had a conflict of interest so they
they said we couldn't handle that one um ecosolutions which the town has used for a number of other peer reviews but they don't have an engineer anym on board and then um uh John Rockwell who's in Marian
but they all um are unavailable for a couple different reasons but they provided to Florida these days yeah yeah but um so we're working on I'm working on another round of of uh non recommended uh engineering firm in
Wilmington Mass so I was working on that um Hawk is completely competent to review that as well but they already did they they're the ones that gave the recommendations we're looking for a peer riewer to make sure that the recommendations were followed isn't that
a little close to AB do it when they worked on the original project it it needs to be an independent party but I think that will me hands just a second I think that that's kind of far away we need to try to find somebody closer to home yeah this is late this afternoon I'm getting
feedback both worked for me for for years um Bill Kenny did the peer review predominantly on environmental concerns that has always uh he's not an engineer but he's a license SE professional Bob
Rigo who's his pioner is both a licens s professional and a professional engineer who is an expert at hydraulic computations um so I'm not I'm not telling you to use them I'm just okay
you got somebody Philly local that is is very confident well it's totally up to us actually okay so we will we'll look into it further um you he started that I'm
going to let our our new agent is going to try to find some other competent people closer to home we will get and we will probably I wanted to continue you for a month and at our next meeting we'll talk
about picking a peer reviewer so I'm probably not going to put it on the agenda I might put it under old business and just say we'll pick our peer review or so but we're going to continue you out for a month a month okay so because they'll need to give us a quote we'll need to get some money from the
applicant and then we'll try to get it moving forward I like that I'll be coming here in daylight instead of Darkness yeah that'll be I I had one question so um so and I I
I have to look at the the site plans a little uh closer I guess but so so this pig the the filter sock it's not 100% effective in removing the heavy metals is that oh yeah no no nothing is
so so it so maybe I'm misunderstanding but some of the fil filtrate or the filtered water is going to be discharged into a wetland below but it'll be it'll be a fraction of what is an allowable
standard was the the the amount detected was just over the recommended standard and we're cutting it way down and that's yeah so 54% or yeah the numbers are there yeah but okay that that gets at my
question there okay thank you question oh Joe U what happens to the used up after a year how's it disposed of it's got to be a um way of um I me someone licensed to
get rid of it or oh yeah it it'll be received at that point is considered hazardous waste right oh no this isn't hazard waste this is this is you know a higher level in in the water than you than you but there'll
be a high level in in the pig itself right yeah it'll be a high level um typically when you have uh activated carbon you regenerate you put it in an incinerator and and you you burn off most of the pums these happen to be
Metals so that their elements they're not going to go away okay but um it it it go in a lined landfill but it would not be considered haard s did you say lined landfill L lined you know in the old days they had dumps and basically it go
into the groundwater in the landfill these days they have a a very thick polyl and they collect the Le and treat it so maybe in our Ur conditions we need to already think in advance I like to
make notes in advance that we're going to need the uh chain of command on where that goes chain of custody chain of chain of custody right I know I do think I was in the Army may I may I ask what the
manufacturer recommends for disposal of these because just that of Mind well is that what they recommend or is that just what you think that's what I know I um I'll I'll find out in the in the int
month the manufacturer is not going to know because he doesn't know what we're removing they they manifest something that removes a whole number of different fluents and so they're they're not going to have any idea what the um constituents are and what concentration
of the constituents are well if they make something to remove toxic materials or heavy metal materials they then have to know how to dispose of their so while the the concentrations might be slightly different and different jurisdictions
they're going to have to know how to dispose of their prop their um materials that they're Supply or at least have some general guidance so so typically typically what happens is you take
samples from the sock you send it to a laboratory and you find out what the concentrations are and there are there are acceptable standards for landfills sometimes we have to ship things out of state sometimes like we just did on this
property you just had to ship to New York on the uh arsic is it no yeah arsic yeah and sometimes we've had contaminated sites where we were shipping to Alabama
um it could cost $1,000 a yard to to get rid of material but that's when it's a mixed waste when there a whole series of dist constituents in it I don't expect that to be a problem here that is something we want to have
considered yeah that's why I like to think in advance of when we're thinking at the last minute we don't have to figure out what our conditions as we go along would be better okay so I guess we're good for tonight okay anybody have anything else they need to ask no
all right so thank you I would look for a motion to um continue 160 Bedford Street to our March 25th 2025 meeting at 6:30 at the police
station so moved second see I'm doing better repetition V vote all in favor hi sorry thank you thank you thank you good night have a good night so
close Mar my bra command it's always going to be there okay um at least you're consistent with it yeah there you go one Elliot way um the story is
two ERS of condition right well we yeah we took care of you take care took care of one we took care of the Tower and the other one we need an asilt plan and we need a bunch of different things and nobody's here to address this and I did not chase after anybody and it's my
thought that I would like to deny their request for a certificate of compliance without prejudice and when they're ready to come back to us they need to do is write another letter and say they request a certificate of compliance
because I just am not happy with continuing and continuing and continuing on some of these things the next millennium second oh how's that all in favor I hi okay easy enough I think we could just say you
denied for this reason here's all you need to do yeah yeah re when you're ready when you're ready at your leisure and provide this information which is what was missing from the the last time buil yeah yeah I think can go right on
whenever he's ready y okay Route 79 Myck Street Route 79 I think we've heard of this one before Oh yes it's done it's due by the 28th the order of conditions is done Mark and I sat down did it together um we sent it out to everybody over the weekend if nobody has
any problems we really need to approve it and if you look at it I wanted to make sure to protect Donna the neighbor so if you go
to attachment I can't find it a no I don't think it's a b maybe b c d e yes okay if you go to
B3 best management practices shall be used to prevent any form of flooding to adjacent properties Wetlands or Watershed as a result of this Project's work the applicant shall be fully responsible for any damage due to improper construction or poor engineering on the site and shall take
immediate steps to correct any FL flooding problems resulting from the work on this project corrective measures shall be approved by this Commission on an emergency basis if needed that I wanted to make sure it was in there specifically to protect dhna which is I think 27 Rhode Island
Road sounds right okay that was that what I thought was important so long as when it comes back I think it what she is struggled to understand is that a lot of the harm for
from for her has been from the state work and this work is going to correct a lot of that right right and we've already been there but just in case just no I think this is very thoughtful okay um and hopefully will be helpful for
her okay so I need a motion to um I think we already closed the hearing yep we did okay and issue the order so I need a motion to issue the order of conditions I'll make a motion to issue to approve and issue the order
of conditions for se1 192 932 Merck and Rhode Island Road second all in favor I I I all right got remember to sign it tonight all right meeting minutes Joe I make a
motion to approve the meeting minutes the lake bille cons ation commission as given to us um of December 10th 2024 second all in favor I I all right last but not least letter of
interest um Bill somebody help me with pronounce this last name I've been saying orus AOS yeah AOS sorry Bill that's okay um
was that our last meeting and has written a letter to the board of Selectmen um he would like to be on the Conservation Commission I think we all agree that we would love to have him um Lori is typing a letter I think she typed it already this afternoon to the
board of selectman to get it to them right away okay to ask that you be appointed but we need to take a vote ni question sure um any luck with your meeting yes date time conflict the commission has
moved their Tuesday meeting to Wednesday congratulations that was nice of them thank you all work together we appreciate that because that would have caused a well I think they realized the importance of that overlap yeah between it's a nice Synergy for us right yes
they understand you know we're in the same position as you guys you know trying to get some people fill in the ranks We're looking for two wardens actually right now from Middleboro though can't be from Lakeville we're already full in Lakeville yeah because you have a certain number from each but it would have been harder for us
probably than okay so okay and again I mean I don't have any education like that but you know some of these rules regulations stuff that now you have Mack as an agent so you know I can always be a foot soldier or I I do work at home so I am
local if I need to go to any of these places for looking or yeah do you guys do any clean up of the conservation lands or anything like that or no maintenance have volunteers that usually do that I have big Dre I have Big Dreams
yeah I have big dreams of doing stuff haven't done yet right you never have time maybe when it's not single digits outside and when we take large pieces actually I talked to wand's trust today about a piece up on Route 44 but
um I think it's important that we get uh a Land Agency like wildlands trust that's sustainable and they have volunteers that go out and clean properties and they you know review them and take care of them so when we take large pieces like we took 22 Acres from
the old Lakeville Nursery property and they hold the conservation restriction on it and they watch it and they make sure I just haven't found in the past that Lake del has a capacity to do that besides individuals um and you can't put a lot of you can't put the whole thing on the
highway Department either on some of these things cuz they're like in the woods not necessarily roads or anything like that so that's uh my goal of trying to do when we take larger pieces is to get a a like a land trust yeah that's
that's their business that's what they do yeah it is yeah where is that lak full Nursery uh Route 44 44 oh yeah that one where they was construction on there now is it there there is yeah but we saved there's a two cold um two cold
water trout streams come together there Cory Brook and Le Washburn and uh we protected 22 Acres of that and there's a building envelope that's where the construction was going on and they have turtle habitat and all of that so 22
Acres were protected there oh okay I'll check it out I think a lot of people don't realize that there is a stretch of Lakeville that is right on 44 44 yeah very goes right up right in Lakeville you're out of Lakeville and then ta and then R all
within half a mile yeah yeah yeah so okay motion Mr motion what I'm sorry what what bill bill yeah do you want to give me his last name too oros oros sounds vaguely I
make a motion that the board approve I'm half bill ofos as the or make the recommendation to the selectman to appoint bill as a M of the conservation committee second all in favor yay thank you good luck
thank you you will be soon would you say the next meeting was we're going to get it right March 20 March 11th oh so at the next select board meeting they will they will vote on this and then you will get an email from the town clerk with everything that
you need to do you'll have to go and get sworn in you can please do you should come to our March 11th meeting cuz even if you sit up here and you're not on yet you could still ask questions and I'll recognize you yeah you'll be an associate member you won't be able to
vote until you're actually sworn in okay a new um it's same night they meet the same night we are yeah so um that's our next meeting but the more present you are and everything moving forward cuz then you'll see what we're looking at for our next meeting right and it was great that you came tonight even pretty
quick tonight yes I know I thought it you I it was a little bit late but I think got number three already you look quicker than we are but if you haven't yet um please go to our website it's on Lakeville town There's a drop down for all the boards and commissions which you're probably familiar with go to conservation they'll be there's some
stuff posted there about our open projects or some of the big stuff like Rocky Woods um and uh so there's some our agenda is always posted there with the packets so all the minutes from previous meetings Etc so you can start
to get a little spun up on on some of the events and we'll be happy to bring we'll bring you an extra packet we'll make a packet for you next time so that you have all the information that we'll looking that is it always two meetings somewhere it was the first one's always there and they said if needed the second
meeting which would be worked out that we there enough going on sometime on the holidays we get a little break sometimes yeah yeah but it's always the second and the fourth Tuesday okay all right all right I'm looking forward to to working with you you know
if you're available to make site visits and things like that the river Herring overlap talk about that think it's very soon they're coming up yeah and um I have big plans too and as I'm finding my feet here
um look at I think it's always good to promote why we're pro trying to protect the resource and any kind of public opportunity and to your idea you know about or do we do cleanups or I keep trying to um there's a project in a cush
it that's a Wetlands restoration where uh the land owner is open to uh we're looking at Bristol County um the votch but um Boy Scouts anybody you know as a pro as a community project obviously you're not going to be
they're not going to be running any equipment or anything but you know I I don't know if that's what you have mind but oh there were volunteer projects quite a bit in town here they did the uh what was the old boy co camp that was um they also did the kids from high school
did the new sign at tamarak Park which was disintegrating and things like that so it does come up but I just was just pointed out we have one more item on our agenda sorry no I sorry I wasn't going to make the motion to adjourn yet okay all right so you guys will get to talk
yeah okay all right um nine cross street okay so Town Council the deed restriction Went to Town Council through Nate the lawyers called a couple of
times I don't know what's come back yet we already voted when it comes back we just going to sign it and go but it has not come back yet I guess I maybe give another little push maybe I don't know why it hasn't come back we haven't seen it it's been a
while so I mean back there I can tell you that right now it's all dug up and it's probably I don't even think they can get a truck in there so I don't think hold up not with the current lettera no well because it's like well Crossing so it's like it's got
to be getting nasty right about now yeah so all right so that's just the update still so we don't have it back as soon as it comes we'll approve it she will we already did we already so we just need to sign L will call us to go
sign the paper do we have stuff to sign yes we do all right we can adjourn for that okay motion to adjourn second all in favor