[Music] okay good evening everyone and welcome to the March 11th meeting of lakeo Conservation Commission we are being recorded by Lake cam is anyone else recording seeing none we will start by
introducing ourselves I'm Mark Minon I'm the conservation agent John leblan Michelle bashard Nancy atates Joseph chamberline billos all right here we go first on the agenda tonight 31 Stetson Street this is
a request for a certificate of compliance and um Mark and myself visited the site and then we sent John M blank to visit the site just to follow up and see I guess I
didn't realize it was just for the septic and not the house was just for the septic it existing Foundation already if you're going to say anything you got to come up and I mean if you're just going to shake your head although the microphone won't pick no the only thing I was going to say was
thank you guys for doing what you do for the town and I'm glad I'm here because you spend the time to be here and I can be here as well to support you thanks so John I you say anything you
had have any comments no no I was I was uh look good for what it is look good okay so yeah as good as a septic system can walk
yeah am I making a motion sure so I make I make a motion to um um approve the certificate of compliance for se1 92- 898 second
discussion all in favor hi hi there you go you go thank you guys again thank you welcome thank you for coming I'm going to go have some food okay next on the agenda five Harding
Street oh wait a minute read the notice yes no [Applause] y Pur m under Law chapter 131 the well protection act the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on March 11th 2025 at
6:30 p.m. at the lakeo police station 323 bford Street on an amended order of conditions the applicant Lighthouse Point industrial LLC is proposing an office warehouse and garage as approved by the Lakeville planning board on
November 14th 2024 the project is located at five Harding Street Lakeville Mass also identified as assess map 22 map 22 block two plot 9 you're up good evening uh my name is
John Kelly I live at 1451 Brush Hill Road Milton Mass I'm the owner of the property at five Harding Street in Lakeville um I brought along as requested the um uh we set out uh via uh
FedEx and by a certified mail um so to I than go so um the project that um that we worked with the planning board on was a fully approved project uh Bob paluchi a local builder in town had uh permed the
site uh the site has gone through an extensive uh review for I'm going to say almost the past 15 years uh in various um uh iterations at one point it was going to be a Market Basket with a large retail development and Bob uh purchased
the site afterwards went through all the uh approval process got a uh a warehouse building a single building uh that was kind of L-shaped designed um and I bought the property off of Bob I worked very closely with the planning board we
went through a peer review uh not just on the site plan but on um drainage calculations storm water and again working with uh you know the various boards and other folks this site has
been uh you know the amount of paperwork in my office is I've never you I I own a bunch of properties and do a bunch of work with in order conditions but I've never seen this much paperwork and kind of went through the history I don't know if you want me to go through all the history here but we we have um you know
we've received multiple uh approvals on the property um we've also been working with um wildlands trust so the property was a larger property and and there was a conservation restriction placed they were Turtle barriers placed we've done the inspections so we're compliant with
everything else and we're looking at just building again with the planning board approved our plans was to build the same amount of buildings but the configuration needed a change because we wanted to be able to have our trucks um we're a uh a general contractor
and uh our trucks are larger than say a landscaper which is what the um site was originally designed for when Bob was permiting it was to have multiple tenants out there uh you would have had up to think 21 tenants uh you could have had landscapers painters other folks and
everything else and I think if anything we you know we're going to be this an owner occupied this is my business I'm not looking to rent it out to people uh we're looking to occupy all the buildings of the property uh we're actually going to have a small office there too um so my vice president will
have his operations there um you know really you know we're very excited about about it again I think we worked uh from uh June until November with the planning board and uh went through I think it was just four or five um responses back and forth and uh you know extensive uh
multi-page um responses and um you know we're continuing uh to to keep up with everything we've had the inspections uh we did have a test uh Goldman came to the inspections and uh you know there's been uh bonds and all the contributions
of all so everything's you know we're we're complying with everything and all we're looking for to try to do is to um we're not looking for any kind of movement of that line there nothing I just you know there's a conservation restriction not that we can but you know we're trying to just work within the
limits of work and just want to get started as quickly as we can and um you know we we did the we we took the buildings down we did the down demo we did the abatement there was ASB bestus in the property we've done all that we've gotten all that done you know properly um so we're we're looking to
you know we're looking to make this a home for uh for our businesses and hoping to expand and you know we're in Ram right now we have three buildings in rham um and we're just we're just out growing can't I mean our our business the economy right now is not as good as it as it once was but we're still
growing our business and uh we're hoping to be able to you know take it to the next level and this this property has been something we've we've been looking at and trying to buy for you upwards of 10 years so uh for so you know we feel very fortunate that we were able to make
a deal with Bob and it's all within the original scope of this yes sir we we have increased the pavement but we did add you know we did add additional storm water management and uh and uh you know there's another contact unit that was
added um you know it wasn't cheap but we said you know if that's what you guys want us to do willing to do it so and we're and the planning board has approved it 100% yes with with a peer review Y and I think that's when I came in just introduce the project and myself
to uh to the board right is that you know I was just I was hoping that we could potentially complete the peer viiew with the planning board and then um you know again with them you know going through that uh process and then dealing again with drainage is one of
the biggest things that that was multi-page uh responses and stuff like that and with that those calculations and everything else uh again we're looking at trying to do all that stuff we've addressed every other the fire department and you know every other you know the Board of Health we still need to do some as soon as the weather turns
and stuff like that but we'll be doing that work U but uh otherwise you know we're um you I think we're in great shape and stuff like that we just you know we just finally got the the only other thing that was been troubling me was the Verizon telephone pole that was
in the middle of the driveway oh it's like it's honestly like 5 years like they're not easy to get to do it oh it's it's unb I mean we literally called every single day since we bought the property in April and had and we just got it the other day and the guy was like oh you want to
moveed so I mean so it's it's been you know we think it's all that's probably the worst thing that if that's the worst thing that's going to happen to us there we're we're great so we're we're like I said we're super excited about the opportunity and uh you know again I think you know we work really diligently to try to make everything work for what
we wanted to do and for us to expand and um you know I think again Lake bille for us is is a um you know it's a really exciting place to for us to move our move a lot of our businesses and stuff too so uh and uh you know the neighbors
um you know our setbacks and stuff like that we had we met with all the neighbors neighbors were here through the planning process we've developed a very good or poor in relationship with them so again just uh who's the name off in the back behind yeah they're 500 5 yes they're over 500 ft away from us uh
but we're doing things to help with blocking and all that stuff so and screening so one of them was here last time y yep Y and I I talked with all the Neighbors in the park a lot too after the meetings but and they were great they've been they've been super so um you know we know there were concerns
about the streams we obviously and but that's where I think if anything having being an owner vers you know Mr you know landscaper and other guys maybe guys dumping stuff and you know I think if anything we can be a better protector by you know I have I'm going to invest you
know this property be you know $5 million plus of my money is going to be invested in this property and I think if I'm going to be a good Steward of of that property I think that uh this is a longterm plan um you know we're a family business so um you know I'm hoping to be
here a long time my son is 16 and hopefully he's he's thinking about hopefully taking over the business at some point but he wants to or not well I don't know D would like him to take over today you know it's like so I can go uh you know so I can go you know get out of this so yours now Tommy oh yeah soon as
he as soon as he gets old enough he just got his license so I think got get but you know again I again we're a family business we're uh you know he's uh he's involved um so like my company's actually named r r rore concrete and Sil and my son's Ryan so it's uh you got
part of that uh in in the name so again um yeah if there's specific questions or stuff like that um I have a couple for us to be able to write an order of conditions for you um the operation and maintenance plan I see in here this a
lot of stuff to try to negotiate but you have the long-term pollution prevention plan and it says an operation and make the actual operation and maintenance plan does it have a date on it and is it
in here somewhere that I'm missing I thought I had included it but just double check see I now we submitted it for the planning board another elicit discharge operations made maintenance plan is in
here it's behind the illicit okay I don't have all the nice green pages that you have oh really I do you do here I do I I asked them to do that from my office here so it's there okay so that's I just must have the one copy that doesn't have
it everybody else seems to have it I'm sorry so no wonder I couldn't find it okay I don't believe we date there's no date on it that I'm that I'm seeing but um let me just double check that Mark you can take it back that's okay as long as that we have it so that we can reference it and I would also probably
take some conditions out of this uh this longterm one here which to make sure I put something in here so we can find it and the other thing is the plan of reference to put on the order of conditions is it going to be this plan
11624 the final revision was 11624 uh I believe it was see it like just says it where the revisions are I don't see it like well I think we have a copy of the
approved planning board plans dated October 24th 2019 that was the old one and then the minor plan change was dated November 14 2024 that's the one that was recorded uh at the registry of deeds and it was recorded January 27th
yes 25 U and then proof and then we got proof of recording was on January 31st back of so on the on the plan change it was approved by yeah I see that board and then it was filed with the regist
Deeds so you know if we could we reference the proof of registry of deeds date which is dat of okay so that would be Jan January 31 the order of conditions would be 12225 12 I think it's 127 is that a
seven the proof of reg seven yeah one all right this just important to get that date right and to get the operation and maintenance plan um refer to in the order of conditions and um probably these conditions
long-term pollution prevention plan also I'm going to put the plant in there I can't remember what that is okay anybody else I'm just impressed with the operation of main this morning
get broken out really well instructions and description and inspections okay y so so I need a motion to close the hearing and issue an amended order of
conditions for wait a minute you're looking for um partial certificate of compliance also because there's with there's two orders of conditions that are involveed here okay right there's the original and the modification to that and now we want to further
modification to make sure which ones this is affecting so are we looking for a so we're looking for a partial certificate for the 865 to amend 831 and
865 both of them are being modified so a motion to amend the order of conditions for se1 192 831 okay let's do that first so moved second all in favor I and
to issue a partial certificate of compliance that's another that's another motion right yes okay motion to for a partial partial certificate of compliance for 192 865 for project
change um any discussion okay you couldn't make it easy huh oh you guys are you guys are great this is this is wonderful all right all in favor I I thank thank you great I told my wife I was going to be
home till like 9:00 well now you can go drink I'll go wherever the food went through yeah exactly follow that food well the thing was also that I called Michelle mccon actually and that planed board did the heavy lifting on the uh peer review on this one so yeah no makes
our job easy a little bit easier yeah no they they were great to work with so they were we we had a really good uh good uh meetings so I appreciate good luck thank you very much okay next three Mona Street um they have requested
a continuing so I look for a motion to continue three Mona Street till what did they say I 25th is our next meeting 25th is our next meeting so so moved March 25th 700 p.m. at the lake bille police station 630m 6:30
p.m all right so second all in favor I all right Myrick Street Rhode Island Road so as you can see here the state has some things that we said they had to do that
they can't so they are looking for an amended order of conditions too and they made it really easy on us exactly how to do it so there was a couple of changes in linear feet which we had a hard time putting
together anyway so they fixed that and you can see from the red they um they Mass do contract says they can't use hay bales hay and straw bales on mass do projects so other equivalent
materials um so does anybody have any problem with the language change I just wonder what's in some of those straw watles yeah what do they use maybe just a different form I
understand what they they're worried about seating of stuff transfer various weird species that weren't there originally well what's the what's the role that Bob uses and we used it up at C pond it's a mulch it's just a m
inside the tube they blow it in just mulch but dep was being mulched I didn't I've never asked a lot we use pine fines because what if it were Beach they'll shred Pine findes in there don't then we're then we're
spreading neod everywhere everywhere right yeah so are we just allowing them to do an A C or do we need to call it out is my question I mean what's the is still going to provide um some barriers some kind of barrier
right whatever they use has got to be acceptable to d right so oh they're just saying they can't use hay and straw bales right right they're going to use their they're going to use they're probably going to use the mulch yeah which is best to me it's way far superior anyway it's going to be
something that de appr so probably isn't something we should I don't have any problem with that the bind place they don't conduct they don't dictate the construction schedule the state doesn't it's it's
it's a private thing well but they're hiring the contract but they don't dictate it they let the contractor go I'm surprised to see it in print but there it is the only thing that can be dictated is working around any Town ordinances about start and
hours and the de watering thing is that they need to provide us a plane any water from dewat will eventually need to go back to the resource area they're going to treat it right based on the contractors means and
methods we can probably just reward that well and we need a plan that may not be directly discharged without treatment and the dewater the the treatment plan must be provided to the commission for review so have they picked the contractor yet has this gone out the bid
and I don't I have no idea I don't think so cuz why can't they just give us have the contract to give us the dewatering plan now they're not even planning on starting till next spring so I'm not sure if they have hasn't been formulated so can we just reward that to
cannot be directly discharged to a resource area without treatment without treatment can we approve this contingent on getting a plan from the contractor and the contractor must provide their treatment plan to the commission before work begins something
like that that takes into both of our concerns yeah and a the watering plan um provided to the commission before work
begins okay so motion to issue a amended order of conditions With The Changes we've made so moved second all in favor I I any discussion sorry okay
all right I okay peer review for 160 Bedford Street so we only have one um this was recommended well Mark had sent out to a few places and nobody
was taking and then I guess Ed suggested our Board of Health agent suggested Merl and um we've both spoken with a woman she's fabul seems really good I think it's a decent price I think we're good
to go I think we need to get going so it's two weeks if we can get the money right away then we can get back at our next meeting and have an answer before the planning board meeting on the 27 their prices are great and I know people who you I know some of the other towns who've used them before so I
thought it was really well written very clear very and the price we sent out five or six request yeah I think everybody's slammed right now to be
honest or without staff and some of the bigger companies don't really cop to on smaller projects and that's what I found so I've been a little dissatisfied with some of the giant companies that they just want like a big project like the Leal Hospital or
some of the larger ones so they're all branches of the we Sayo Corporation okay so can we have a motion that we this is who we want I make a
motion to award the peer review for 160 Bedford Street to Merill engineers and land surve excellent I have second second discussion y go ahead are
we I know we're going to Mark you're going to talk to them about what we really want as part of the peer review or are we going to have well she's spelling out what she's going to do yeah my one my thing and Mark knows us because we've talked about
it that detention Pond is dischar is bypassing the well and discharging into a string that goes under the road onto another property I have a problem with that I would love to you know maybe get to do a sidewalk with them when they do
it they must be doing a site visit to do a peer review Mark um yeah so they contact Mark to do a site visit maybe you can Michelle's included yeah absolutely I'll reach out site probably 20 times in the last three
years alone before we walked it jointly with the select board this fall so me too I've out there a few times John too has been out there a couple of times yeah so okay
yep I'll reach out to them and say that the commission would like to have a site visit and set it up say they're going to get it back to us in 3 weeks two
say three does no later than three weeks from authorization of servic well maybe we won't make the explainable meeting then we're going this long at least we rather get it right yeah we're not going to be able to start work until right May is
anyway this is exciting okay yes I think so too and and if there's any other specific areas I mean there's a scope of work but if there's any specific things commission members want would
like some some additional attention or make sure that it gets gets covered and if you go sidewalk you'll be able to verbalize that so that would be good all right so we have motion second discussion done anybody else you're talking about 160 Bedford Street yes
okay so all in favor I I all right done okay Mark so agent updates uh like we said
we um sent out a number of requests for peer reviews we tried to expand the list of of peer potential peer [Music] review firms
um um so those are that was one one of the the tasks that took up a little bit of time uh number of site visits uh got a requ request from from the chair to go take a look at some
siltation on Myrick Street I guess they had sold the property to the the build current Builder uh they were responsive I gave them a call once I knew who I was trying to reach they were responsive uh there was some straw water
right down what was there was just right on the edge of the Wetland was supposed to be further up slope he said they were putting in um siltation fencing that to make it happen I I need to run back out there I would have done it today but I
got CAU up and some other stuff but Thursday certainly this week um um Keen Road spoke to the owner there um that's the one ke road is there a clear cut
swamps Pond and they do restation that's what so they right yeah and they they uh had a uh Steve the botnus went out uh I guess they recommend it contacting Zenith I
believe at least at this point and um and apparently is following up with that so we should be seeing something from them shortly um lot lots of notes how long do you guys want to you want the short version yeah that
that was the short not uh site visits uh anything else um so what was the update again on my street there GE he's putting in siltation fencing he and he was moving it up slope okay when I went out should
be on the plan yeah it's on the plan and and it was muddy they were putting in the septic I talked to the uh uh Gary Nicholls okay was running the excavator and stopped and we talked so I mean they were working it was last last week boy
it all runs together last week right after that rain so it was ankle deep mud just up by by the road there so um so but you did send them the memo that they shouldn't be further working till their cation's in place correct yes I did
excellent y it's always good to document I mean those were uh some of the the peer review stuff the highlights yeah the highlights um yeah I could keep going but I think that's the
the the the main kind of gist of what I've been doing is site visits um I need to follow up with uh a couple things in um uh Clark Shore is that um I got a
call today about Clark Shore said I'll I'll call you tomorrow or Thursday yeah and I've been going back and forth take a look at something near that their well their Well site I'm across the street so if you need another eyeball set eyeball
okay give you a call um couple people looking for certificates of comp completion compliance um they were trying to sell something they needed it to to sell and
that's when we get the action yeah and and I said that well we it's not something you know you got to stabilize the site oh we can't have that this afternoon yeah yeah and they and well maybe we could just write a letter that
that says that once it is stabilized that we'll they'll get it but you know I mean obviously we everything's done everything's planted but they W have two years worth um yeah septic it's you know they
they just finished so the the line I always use with either the agent or the buyer or the seller or the engineer is that the autter conditions is no impediment to the sale because it goes with the land and not the person so as
long as the person buying it knows that responsibility is now on the piece of property no pain right yeah and a lot of times they don't you know they go this in mind I have to get that Auto It's usually the lawyers that oh
yes want to clear it up discovered that there is one there 12 minutes ago and now they want you to get one in four minutes so um what we didn't do right off at the beginning of the meeting is welcome Bill our new member who was
appointed by the board of Selectmen I didn't this much work me I sit down here y i we've gotten bigger ones than that wow and that's already been reviewed by a reviewer for the plan board so really all the important part is the um
operation and maintenance plan and some of the pollution prevention stuff that we will stick in the order of conditions also so it's you know that's how it gets Beyond us that's how we do a peer review and um we piggy back this time yeah on
the planning board and we do sometimes this one was easy for us easier year for us because he came in the before the holidays and provided an overview of the plan and walk through what the land use plan was going to be how the property
change as they changed from the previous owner to the new owner so we already had a good walk through of what he was planning on doing with the site and what the proposal was um and there were a lot of questions the planning board there was a new kind of material he was using for a retaining wall and everybody was
like that plastic stuff but we went through a lot of questions with him about the property and the development and what was going to be done done at that time so this was sort of a little bit of a cake block and he's staying within the building envelope cuz natural heritage had given him a building
envelope so he hasn't done anything he's changed how the the configuration of the buildings and more but it's still in that envelope that he was given and natural heritage seems okay with it also so there that cold water scam which there very few of left right so yeah we
got two cold water stream protection out of that 22 Acres was AC of protection under Wildland trust now so is it accessible though is it accessible that property is it prop yeah still priv property but they have to Wild trust
will go out every year yeah they'll give us a call and they say hey it's go for a walk and they go out and make sure that all the you know the conditions that they put are being kept which is the best thing for the town because now not only is it protected is we have a a legitimate Land Trust watching it right
so that's the best scenario that we could get is is that in the order of conditions is that in the order of conditions or is it just not for us that's from natural heritage um okay it's actually the or the trust the trust
SS from the land trust yeah trust yeah there's an agreement for them to do annual inspection and it all be when it's recorded it it all gets attached yeah but we can't put we can't put Wildlife conditions on right on ours but
but we can work in partnership with all of them to make sure everybody's in the in the know that that was one not knowing the project the history but the cold water conditions is stay in like what's being
amended it's more the plan on there that's why I was at the operation and maintenance plan because it might be a little different now and the plan that's why I asked those questions cuz that's the only thing that will change the order conditions was done yeah already so we just changing
date of the plan the newer plan the actual real plan and um making sure the operation and maintenance and the prevention pollution stuff is included so well it sounds good for short amount of time I've heard about
this I mean that property's been there for the longest time you drive by all the time and wonder what's going on and well the major amount of the work was done when Bob paluchi owned it he's the one who put all the protections on on it the new owner inherited that that was
all done by Bob paluchi oh we working with Wildland trust and yeah I can Pat myself on the back a little bit cuz Wildland trust it was hard was it not to get them to take it yeah I begged and gred on that one because they have other Holdings in the area and they really
needed to take it but it was during covid and the board of directors was didn't want to go for a sidewalk it was like 2 ft of snow I mean it would just it was wasn't easy but it was important cuz those are two cold water trout
streams that are being protected which are few and far between and Lakeville anymore is that connected with the Ocean Spray of those Brooks the headquarters does it flow into ocean sprays on the other side of the RO down cross street this is on that side of Cross Street
Ocean sprays Wetland comes on the on the left side across street yeah but we had notu conditions on that pond that was that buts to Ocean Spray when they built that cuz they had to do some cleaning on that bar cuz there was
a grocery store that was right right on the water over there which which was taken down as part of the rehab of the area that was a they took good care of that stream in the the pond there I don't even know that there's a name to that pond to tell you the truth yeah no
I don't know anyway I think we're good right yeah John motion to adjourn second all in favor