Good evening everyone. We have quite a gang here tonight and welcome to the March 10th meeting of the Lakeville Conservation Commission. We are being recorded by Lake Cam. If anyone else is recording, could you please acknowledge?
Seeing none, I'm going to make a a little statement before we start. Our February 24th meeting because of the snowstorm, as everyone knows, um was cancelled. So, all the hearings from the
24th have were continued to today. So, we not only have today's hearings, but we from that meeting, but we have things from the meeting that's today also. So, um I'm going to do my best to move it along cuz it could be lengthy or it
could be really quick and easy. You never can't tell. But seeing as there's a lot of people here tonight, we will try to make sure if you have something to say, you're more than welcome to say it. But when it starts getting repeated, then I probably will say time out.
>> I want to mention the microphones, too. and the mic. If you have something to say, you will come up, identify yourself, and speak into the microphones. Thanks, Mark. Okay, here we go.
First hearing is 4 South Avenue-3 Walnut Street, which is a nose of intent from Outback Engineering, which we have a request to continue. >> So moved. Second >> to February 24th, 2026 here at the
police station at 6:30 p.m. >> Correct. >> March >> March >> March 24th, 2012. I was out in that plowing in there. >> I haven't recovered yet. >> 3:2426 at 6:30 p.m. here.
>> All right. And a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> Okay, that's good. Okay, next up is 52 Clear Pond Road. Um, at our last the last time they were here, um, they were missing and had
submitted some late information. They have to do a wetland restoration and it wasn't included on the plan. Um, so that was we had asked them to include it include it on the plan. I think everybody has a copy of the plan. They
what was done it was done what we asked for. So we're not really hearing that tonight. We're just addressing the fact is everybody satisfied with how it was done. >> Motion to accept the plan as submitted. Okay. Or
>> 52 clear pond road remediation. >> Second. >> All in favor? All right. So I >> does that hearing also need to be continued for further >> that we >> we had already closed. >> Yeah, we had already closed it.
>> We was thrown on the plan. >> Next up 30 Howland Road, which is an ANRAD, which is an abbreviated notice of resource area delineation. We need to open this hearing. Yes, we do. Right here. So, motion to open the
hearing. So, motion. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Pursuant to Mass General Law, Chapter 131, the Wellland Protection Act, the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on February 24th,
now March 10th, at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station, 323 Bedford Street, on an abbreviated notice of resource area delineation. The applicant, 30 Holland Road LLC, is proposing delineation and confirmation of wetland resource area boundaries. No
work is proposed at this time. The project is located at 30 Howland Road and is identified as assessors map 9 block two plot one >> mark the site with an scientist or an engineer >> 30 road no
because we're just opening it. Mark's been Mark I'm sorry but Mark's been out for the week of the snowstorm and the week after. So, and I haven't the last time uh the last time I was on that property, I was with somebody from the state that had a handheld GPS and we
still ended up lost in a neighborhood a half a mile away. That's a very very large property. >> Oh, because these microphones only go to the cable. I will try to talk a little louder. I'm usually pretty loud. I know that. >> Yes, you are.
Um, so, um, seeing as Mark wasn't here, I think it might have got lost somewhere in between that, I think we need a peer review on this. So, I think we need to
vote to get some quotes for peer review. >> I move to request a peer review um, and sitewalk of 30 Halen Road. >> Second that. Anybody else wants want to go? I mean, it's it's what 600 acres.
>> 600 acres >> and the wetland's up in the back. So, um >> I mean, we'll just send out when the site visit's going to be, but probably we need to wait till a little bit of the snow is gone. I don't know how much. It's pretty wooded. So, um,
>> at a two to be determined date in the future, yep, we'll amend our, >> but in the meantime, we will get um some numbers on a peer review. >> Yep. >> Vote on that. >> Yep. >> We have a motion.
>> A motion in a second. All in favor? I I >> Okay. 18 Lakeside. That's new, too. Motion to motion to open. >> Second. >> We're all open. We're out of patches.
>> All right. Pursuant to Mass General Law Chapter 131, the Wildlands Protecting Act, the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on February 24th. again continued March 10th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station, 323 Bedford Street on a
notice of intent filing. The applicant, Jason Viggers, is proposing to the construction of a single family dwelling with a new septic tank and with associated grading and site work within the buffer zone of an existing bordering wetland. The existing dwelling is to be
raised and the existing leech field is to remain. The project is located at 18 Lakeside Avenue and is also identified as assessors map 54, block 2, lot 13. Good evening, Darren Malis from
Foresight Engineering. Jason bought this property about five or six years ago. We needed a septic system. It's a raised septic system with a pump in the tank. Um he's looking to build a nicer colonial style house to drive on the garage because of the water table. Uh, so we are within the buffer zone of the
ditch behind us. Uh, I know D has issued their number. Their one comment was about the riverfront area, but the riverfront is actually about 300 ft out into the woods, so it doesn't affect us with the work we're doing. Um, the tank is outside the buffer zone, but the grading is within and the house is
within. Uh, we're 61 ft away with the back of the house. Um, it's pretty much all lawn area behind the proposed house. So, we'll put the erosion barrier in the lawn area to prevent any erosion into that ditch. Um, pretty straightforward project keeping the septic system and
just putting a new septic tank to have a gravity feed system. >> Uh, just to add to that, Darren, there was all already an INRAD done on this property because originally it was going to be a three lot subdivision. >> Yeah, that was beside us. Yes. >> Right. So, you took all this off and
Ianrad that we already approved. questions, comments? >> Yeah, there's no work in the buffet in the 25 ft. No touch maintaining that separation. So, it's kind of by there's already a house there. So, and they kept it as far
away from the back as I possibly could. >> Yeah, we're as tight to the septic as I can get it. Only comment I would make is maybe on that as I look at the plan uh facing north the left end grading looks like it kind of scooped just a little beyond the
silt fence at that concrete slab. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> So maybe just extend the sil fence a little further. >> Okay. Yeah, we can do that. >> Yeah. This just to get the water off the driveway so we don't end up with a puddle right there. Yep. So extend the silt fence how far to the property line.
>> Say 20 ft past the >> closer to the tree lineated edge there >> on the concrete pad. I can do that >> to the tree line. >> Yep, that's fine. >> Even if you just kind of hooked it up right just to catch. That's
outside that I'm good. >> Anybody else? >> Actually, there's another map here that shows actually it's like where it is >> the birthplace of Tam Brook. There you go. >> But it's further out back and that had come up during >> the end process.
>> Yep. Motion to close the hearing. >> So moved. >> Second. Um and issue an order of conditions. Um that would be all our regular
conditions with the extra of to extend the silt fence line to the tree line. And that's all for 1920953. >> Yes. All righty. >> If that's the motion, I will second it.
>> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. Good luck. Yep. >> All right. Water. Okay. Next is
off Montgomery and Green Lot Circle. Motion to open the hearing. >> So moved. >> Second. Pursuant to Mass General Law, chapter 131, the Wetlands Protection Act, the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on 22426.
Again, continue to 3:10 at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station, 323 Bedford Street on a notice of intent. The applicant, Cody Fabrowski, is proposing to construct a single family dwelling within the buffer zone to a wetland resource area. The project is
located off Montgomery Street and Green Lot Circle and is also identified as map 16, block 5, lot one. >> We need to vote to open here. >> Oh, we have a motion in the second. >> Say again. >> Oh, we have a motion.
>> We have a motion in the second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> Okay, now we're Okay. All right. Yes. I just want to say I want to move it along quick. I got to not leave parts out. That would be a good idea. My name is Kevin Davis. I'm a professional engineer working for ET
Engineering representing Mr. Froski. Um, as you've already mentioned, the site is approximately 31.67 acres located off of Montgomery Street to the south. Um, on property, it's an existing agricultural use with multitudes of bogs and farm
ponds consisting about 93% of the land area. Um there are a few structures on the subly side of the pond or a subly side of the lot that are used as accessory use to farm um implements.
The proposed use would be a single family dwelling to the south of the existing bog here. This is right near the existing accessory structures that are already there for bog use. To the west is Holloway Brook which runs along the
westerly side goes through the property ultimately discharging south of the property into the farm pond. Um, in addition to the south is the Ting Tac, if I'm saying that right,
Hill Pond, which also feeds into this existing farm pond. The proposed uh accessory uh residential dwelling uh will have a proposed portable well installed south of the dwelling which is the service for the
water uh use and to the north a proposed septic system. Ideally, we'd like to put the septic system adjacent to the residential dwelling. It would have been a lot easier. Uh when we looked at the existing soils on site, unfortunately um because of the fill that was located
there, we had to dig down deeper which got into some groundwater. Uh the local and state board of health regulations require that you cannot dewater nor can you do a particle size analysis in order to get an acceptable septic system. So we could not site one anywhere near the
dwelling. So to kind of think outside of the box, we decided to put that >> uh >> to think outside of the box, we cited the septic system on the northerly side of this bog. Unfortunately, because of
board of health regulations, we have to stay 50 ft away from the edge of any bog or wetland. So in order to accommodate that, we're proposing to fill this upland bog. Now, the reason why I'm saying Upland bog is because we have on this plane here, which is the third
page, a USGS topographic survey that was done in 1937. And here it shows this area where the bog is in question as a hill at elevation 130. Now, to cut all the maths short with the NGVD and the NAVD88
translations, essentially it's 5 to 8 feet lower than the original survey done by the USGS team when we went out there and had our PLS do the survey. Um, so we're contending this is a man-made bog for purposes of agricultural use and
we're hoping the commission agrees with us on that particular fact. Um, the use of the dwelling will be for Mr. Farski. will be working the bog agricultural use. Um, and we're not proposing any other modifications to any wetlands
resources. Um, I can go into a lot more detail, but I know you got a lot of coals in the fire, so I'm more than happy to just have a dialogue and a conversation with the conservation commission. Um, if you have questions or comments.
>> Nancy, would you mind if I start a conversation? >> Can I just say one thing first? >> All right. From the past. Yeah, >> I'm the past person. Um, and we like to do things uniformly. I mean, we don't treat every we treat
everybody the same. In the past when we've had people want to build in cranberry bogs and say they were upland, we have had the Army Corps of Engineers had to come in to and I already told Kevin this on the phone actually to um
it's almost kind of like we need a peer review that it really is because if you make a wetland >> no >> it becomes a wetland. >> I'm sure that's verifiable. I looked into purchasing vog once that could have been filled in. It had to be proven through the army corps, >> right? >> In order to
>> Okay. I just want to put that out that that's what we've done in the past. The existing classification by the core is that it's wetland and not upland. So, it would have to be reviewed and changed by them. >> Can I come over here? I can't hear you.
>> I'm not going to go over. >> No, no, you can come up. That's fine. That's fine. >> Yeah, you're good. Yeah. >> Okay. Your turn. I just wanted to make sure. >> I do recall in not too far back history,
we allowed some alteration to a blog. >> Mhm. >> Off of >> I think it was right across the street, Montgomery Street. At least that's what I heard. >> Kingman. >> Kingman. >> Yeah. >> So, it's it's not new ground for us, but And I just don't want to mention that
it's name because it's not >> Right. >> Right. public too. But I I think I believe you recall that we have allowed that. >> So >> we're not looking to get rid of the majority of the B. We're just looking to modify its existing contract.
>> As long as Army Corps or whatever governing body says that they agree with your finding, we're fine with that. I think I that's not a board vote, but we agree and we have allowed that before. >> Okay. But they would have to reclassify it as
an upland bog. >> It's kind of like a peer review really >> is you know that it is >> indeed an upland bog. >> You would just need a letter stating to that fact from from them >> core of engineer >> from the army corps of engineer.
>> Do we do we contact them or to these guys? >> I think they would contact them and I think we do a site visit if we needed to. That's what we've I've done that in the past that the Army Corps send somebody out to >> investigate and we're invited to go along.
>> Okay. >> Nancy Montgomery. >> Oh, can you talk to the microphone? We can move that over just a little bit. >> No, you don't touch the mic, please. >> Okay. >> Don't touch, please. >> Yeah.
>> No, don't. Is that uh >> behind my house? >> Why don't you go out and get it back? Okay. You can't hold the mic. >> It's It can work perfectly fine. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. Ray. >> Okay. We can hear you. Ray, >> is that uh is that the piece of property
behind my house? >> I don't remember. >> You want to show us where Ray's house is on the map? >> Yeah, it's the property behind the house. Okay. Yes. We We got a few issues and we got to correct a few people.
because uh there's 50 acres in there that's conservation land. >> Okay. >> Uh all the reservoir is has a 50-year lease on the reservoir. >> Okay. >> Conservation.
>> Okay. >> All right. where he is planning to put the house. We have a little bit of a problem there because that's a tail water recovery pond which takes care of the water off of
Penguin Street, Montgomery Street, Hill Street, and uh Kingman Street. on this lot. >> It's a tail water recovery.
>> So, do we need something else besides the Army Corps? DPW So, we we did look into it. It's not in any kind of flood zone or natural heritage or any type of designated
critical area. Um, there's the nearby >> hallway brook that runs through the by the property. We're not looking to alter the brook or anything. >> We're not looking to alter the the brook if that's what you're concerned about.
>> The brook is not older. No, we're not. We're not looking to alter the to the the brook. >> I understand. >> Oh, okay. >> But what I'm trying to get at is a tail water recovery. Now, are you an engineer? >> Sometimes.
>> Well, the tail water recovery takes care of water from around the neighborhood. And you got an inlet from Kingman Street. You got an inlet from Montgomery Street
and you got a inlet from uh Green Circle. And Nancy's been there so she's got a pretty good idea. >> I have >> uh you know I I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just trying to point these
things out that we got to be careful of because there is a 50-year I guess it's about 35 year now conservation plan on the reservoir which goes within 20 ft of
the barn the tractor sh >> so we we are proposing a roof recharge system for all the impervious area >> I can't hear you >> we are proposing a roof recharge system for all the impervious area where the house is going. >> Recharge system.
>> Yes, sir. >> And can I say something about that? >> No, you will have to come up to the front and then you can have a turn. >> Sorry. >> And through the chair if you would please. >> Okay. My name is Dorothian and I'm his wife.
>> Okay. So, um, you said you're going to reroute the pipes to the driveway, right? To the >> You're talking about the sewer sewer pipes, right? Yes, >> ma'am. Yeah. But you really can't do that because it's a shared driveway and
I have the papers here. It's a shared driveway and normally in Lake Wills, you cannot put sewer system under a shared driveway. only utility systems you can. So I have the if you want to copy on
this. >> Okay. >> Okay. And the shared dragway goes all the way from the front all the way to the back >> to past the shed because um our property also goes a little bit it's 8 ft away
from the back of his um garage. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, but it also goes a little bit into the driveway, you know. >> So, we're aware of the easement that's on the property for access, >> you know, for share driveway. >> Yes. >> We're not intending to eliminate the
driveway. >> No, I understand that, but you cannot. >> Okay. All right. Wait. Let him let him explain. >> So, we're we're >> loudly. We recognize the easement, the driveway easement, but and unless there's some language somewhere that prohibits use of installation of
utilities under driveway easements, I'm not aware of why we'd be prohibited from doing. >> No, not utilities. utilities like uh you know lights or phone or anything but sewer system because um I talked to the health department already and they
wanted to know about that because if you put a sewer line >> on that shared driveway you have to have the health department um approve it. >> Board of health approval like do you have a easement in the in the deed? Are
you saying you have an easement? >> There's an easement for benefit for their property in the deed. an access easement. >> Have you been to board of health on this? >> I have not. I don't believe anybody has yet. >> Okay. Do you need a copy for this? >> We would have to get approval through them as well.
>> Yes. >> In order to to construct this. >> Yes. >> So, um >> I know >> we we will discuss that with the board of health and figure that out. >> Okay. Can I ask one more thing? We have some other Yeah. Go ahead. >> Whose driveway is it?
>> Do they have an easement to use it or do you guys have an ement to use? They have an easement over this property. Okay. To use this property in order to access theirs. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Did you used to own this property? >> Yes, we did. >> Okay. So, they own the property. >> And when they sold the property, they
maintain the easement of the driveway. Is that correct? >> Yes. Shared. We share it. Yes. >> Mhm. >> Yep. >> Would you be going under the driveway or adjacent to using the easement? >> Because of the property line here where the where it says gravel driveway. Yep.
>> And the the pond, we don't really have a lot of wiggle room, so it's going to be essentially under the driveway. >> So, you're going to have to pull up uh the edge of the driveway and go under. >> We store it, of course. But >> understood. We just want to get the full >> gravel anyway. >> Understood. >> Yeah. The full picture. Um but in the
meantime, when you do that, I'm not going to be able to use the driveway >> while we're installing it. >> Yes. Because the driveway is really not that wide. And then the bog is right there. So, and
then my grass, my lawn is right there. So, that's why. >> Okay. I I think at this point I think we have a lot of steps to get through. >> Yes. >> Before we get to that point and you know or I think you know that when we make a
decision on something that we write an order of condition. So, we will take that maybe into account. Maybe not tonight. >> No, that's okay. >> Yeah. If you have if they haven't gone to board of health, we >> as a general policy when anything involves a subject.
>> Yes. We don't make a final decision. >> I basically cuz she runs but I basically come to let it be known about the conservation land and stuff like this that should be known. And he knows
because I told him that that acreage in the reservoir is conservation probably 35 more years on it. I give it to him for 50 years. And uh the tail
water recovery he can't touch at all because that controls the water off of Ken Montgomery and Greenout Circle. >> So Mark
>> the the conservation contract foundry is noted on the plan does show that. >> Yeah, it should show it on the plan. >> It does. >> It does. Yeah, I have idea. >> Do we have data specifically speaking to that within our packet that you provided
or as far as what what that agreement is? >> I I don't believe so, but that's something >> conservation here, the contract with the map and everything. So, and um >> Okay. So, I I you know, I think as of
tonight, we're on a a information gathering quest, and we're probably going to have to continue this, but I think we want to most likely give a list of >> things that we really need to continue on. >> Uh we would
like, you know, from both of you to just verify what that is, a copy of the conservation contract. >> Yep. Uh we would like you to get some communication with the board of health >> of course >> so that >> there's probably some semantics about
the sewer line being a utility but it would be a private utility at that point and just get clarification so that we understand that they are on board with burying that line. >> Okay. Uh, also we definitely want feedback for you to research Army Corps
of Engineers to have them say yes that was an upland area at one time and that it is fillable. >> Understood. >> Uh, is there anything else? I think there was one other item. >> I only thought of you do you have any flags out there to mark the the proposed
scope of work yet? >> Yes. Anything flagged? So >> yeah, so Brad Holmes from ECR did flag the site. >> Okay. Um, and I guess it would probably also be good if you had a plan for during the driveway. Make sure that they
have access in or out to whether it was dig 20 ft at a time, have some steel plates. >> Yeah. >> Whatever. Just have a plan so that everybody's comfortable. >> Yeah, we could have some steel plates on site with a way to place them down if they're coming down. Just put it over the trench.
>> But we'll we'll come up with a actionable plan for that. >> Board of Health would require that. approval of course >> anyway not necessarily >> needed for ours but like I said we >> well I think the order conditions to satisfy all it should be
>> absolutely yeah but we tend to >> want to know that could be done to make it a lot easier all the way around >> you through you Nancy >> Yep. Right. Now's your time to suggest
that maybe. Now, uh, and there's a Brady Geeseman. It comes from Montgomery Kingman and didn't want water to recover and where his where he was to put the garage
house if he was to come up to the property before the property line and put a pipe across the drainage easement
permit to outside and right down the road right to where he wants to put his substances. I told explained that to him before, but he wants it to hit the way he wants it.
He wants to put in a a pumping station. Okay. Well, I hope that's her then. I don't >> Yes, >> I'm not a septic designer or an engineer, so I don't >> And I just >> I don't know if that's feasible or not. So,
>> one more question if I please. >> Okay. Um, since I have the map here, you know, from the stuff, can you tell me how many square feet you have to build this house? Because normally in Lakeville you have to have 70,000 square
ft especially in our area everybody has 70,000 but they do make exception for like 30,000 or something like that. How big is the lot? What you propose? Because over here it doesn't really look like it's um it's that big of a lot
>> where you're going to put the house >> the area of like construction more specifically. You're talking about >> Yeah. Where you're going to put the house here. the lot you put in the house on, >> you know, how big >> 31,600.67 is the entire property >> because Green Lot Circle went in at
that. >> Yeah, >> Green Lot Circle. Those were the size of the lots there. So, it's pre-existing, non-conforming. >> We all have 70,000 square ft lots >> on Green Lot Circle. >> Yes. Mhm. Between 69 and 71,000. Yeah. I
think ours is the biggest is 71. Yeah. So then it wasn't 30,000 square foot lots like no >> like Heritage Hill. >> Never. No. It was always the the big lots. >> You have to go by zoning board. >> This is this is the first commission or
board I've been before. So >> I don't think you need to go to the plan. He probably wants to talk to the building commissioner who zoning enforcement >> just to confirm that >> we we still need to start the dialogue between all the commissions and boards. So >> this is just the the beginning.
>> That's sort of a big one then. >> All right. Lot size 52,000 ft of contiguous up >> is required on a 70,000 lot. >> So just just check that too to make sure you have the right amount of contiguous uplet. >> Yeah. I just wanted to ask you know
because uh the lot looks really small to be 70,000 square ft. >> And is there anything storm water? Is that something we're going to have to >> single family dwelling? No paving
dirt road. >> Yeah. >> And we're recharging the the roof system. >> Not even like a >> It's not going to meet the minimum. >> It's not going to meet requirements. >> There's no public stone.
>> Okay. Question. All right. So, um, it looks like we're going to continue this hearing and I'm going to read the reasons and the things that they need to answer. Okay. So, I would look for a motion that
we continue this hearing. >> Would you want to go two meetings out given the number of people they need to talk to? >> Let him choose and then he can always >> I I would like a little bit of time to talk to. >> So, a month out. >> A month would be preferable. >> That would be April 14th. Okay. So, I
would look for >> Yeah, that' give me time to call everybody and talk and maybe have meetings with them just to >> Okay. Otherwise, our next one is in two weeks on the 24th, which just it's up to you, but it feels a little early. >> Yeah, I agree. >> So, t Tuesday the 14th. >> All right. So, I'd look for a motion to
continue this hearing till April 14th at 6:30 at the Lakeville Police Station. And the things that we questions that we'd like answered is is it an upload blog and have that verified by Army Corps of Engineers? >> Yep.
>> A copy of the conservation contract. Um something some kind of answer from the board of health. Um a plan so the driveway is usable during construction and >> confirmation of lot size. confirmation
of lot size >> for for building >> for a single family home. >> So I so moved to your motion. >> Okay. >> Second discussion.
>> No. Oh kind of like I thought. Anybody else? John, >> I just have one other question. >> Okay. >> You haven't petitioned off a lot of this, right? This this isn't on its own lot. This is on the original 31 and a half acre lot, right? Yes, sir.
>> Okay. I just wanted to clarify that. >> All right. So, I have a motion >> and a second. All in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay, >> we'll see you in a month. Don't want to get up.
>> Yeah, we want to make sure all the questions are answered. Right. >> Nice to see you. >> Yeah, you too. You guys, Mark, >> good seeing you, Ray. Thank you guys. >> Byebye now. >> Have a good night. >> Bye. Thank you. >> All right. So, save it.
>> All right. So, next is 150 Montgomery Street. Bedford. >> Bedford. >> Bedford. >> I'm sorry. Got Montgomery on the brain. Uh according uh motion to open the hearing motion.
>> All in favor? I I >> according to the provisions of mass general laws chapter 131 section 40 of the wetland protection act. There will be a hearing on the notice of intent submitted by Russo's RV center for the proposed construction of a parking lot entrance off Rhode Island Road which
proposes 2380 ft of bordering vegetative wetland disturbance. A replication area of 4,775 square feet is proposed which provides a replication ratio of 2:1. Also, an
expansion of an existing gravel parking area with associated retaining wall and grading within 100 ft of a bordering vegetated wetland is proposed. The location of the project is 150 Bedford Street, Lakeville, map 25, block 6, lots
10 and 10A. The public hearing will be held on Tuesday, February 24th. Again, continued to March 10th, 2026 at th 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station, 323 Bedford Street, Lakeville. >> So, I don't see anybody here
representing them. >> No, they have requested a continuence. >> Okay. >> John and I were out there this morning and they requested a continuence. They have some legal things to go through because of the um deal uh contract they have to make with
the town because the town has that easement >> for Rhode Island Road >> drainage easement off of Rhode Island Road. >> It is by 160 and this move this stuff over to 160. >> That's a great >> All right. So I have a motion. Oh, so we open the hearing. So I need a motion to
continue. I motion to continue the hearing for >> 24th >> 150 Beverage Street until March 24th at 6:30 p.m. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I All right. So, we're going to save that
one. Okay. Next, 234 Kenneth Welsh Drive. >> Motion to open the hearing. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
Pursuant to Mass General Law, Chapter 131, section 40 of the Wetlands Protection Act, the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on March 10th, yay, 2026, at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville Police Station, 323 Bedford Street on a WPA
Form 3 notice of intent filing. The applicant Cranberry Campus LLC represented by Campanelli Kelly Engineering and Ecote Tech is proposing a 29,300 square foot addition to the existing coal storage building along with new
loading dock, storm water management system and other site development features. The location of the project is 234 Kenneth Welch Drive, map 61, block 2, lot 9. All right. So, having spoken to Garrett
Horsefield, I think is his name, um they have um I was going to put them they didn't quite get in in time either and I was going to move them up a meeting, but then we discussed instead of having them wait for the next
meeting for us to decide that we need a peer review because we're taking the lead on this from the planning board that they would allow us to open the hearing and talk about getting vote to get a peer review so that when they come to the next meeting they'll be one step
ahead instead of two weeks behind. >> So motion to get a peer review. >> Deb Keller had been that's who we've been using. We used Deb Keller for 160 Bedford Street um Mel Engineering and we also used her for the fire station
>> and she's been really good. She gets back to us. I love that. Sometimes some of the bigger companies I find if it's a smaller project, we don't get answers. They don't answer the phone, whatever. So, um, a motion to get a quote from Deb
Keller for, uh, 234 Kenneth Welch Drive. >> So, moved >> for wet, I'm sorry, for storm water and wetland. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi.
>> Okay. We >> have a question. >> Oh, sorry. >> What's the a butter's distance requirement for a mailing? >> Uh 100 ft, in 100 foot.
>> Was that 300? >> It's No, it's more than >> No, I thought it was 100 feet. Where's the >> Was he across the street from you guys? Why are you on the bottom for that? >> I You're across the street. >> I don't know.
>> Kind of. >> It's It's >> I'm not on the Butters list. Put it that way. >> It's that cold storage. >> I find that place just closed down. >> Yeah. >> Are you across the street? >> 100 foot. >> Across the street and down the road.
>> Yeah, it's 100 foot. >> 100 foot. >> It's a cold storage build there now. >> But 100 Here's the thing. Sometime there's a discrepancy 100 foot from the property line 100 foot when the addition's going on the way back. Mark. >> Oh, >> addition property. >> Huh?
>> It's from the property. >> It's from the property lines out each sides of the property lines. >> There had been question MACC or when they were changing the guidelines for stuff that it had that it was from the project and not you know say you got three acres and it's way over here or
whatever but 100 foot from what I know that it didn't change. Do you think >> are you across the street? >> I'm across the street and down the road. So >> Oh, >> I just can't get my phone to switch from
meters to >> Oh, >> feet. >> How many meters? >> 185 meters. So I'm well over >> multiply it by three, >> right? >> No, >> no. So 60 >> 3.17 or something.
>> Is it a certified abutter list? Is that got stamped? >> Is it stamped on it? >> It is stamped and signed. >> It is by board of assessors January 28th, 2026. >> Oh, no. I'm looking at the wrong one. >> Matt, who owns your building?
>> We don't have that one. >> Hang on. 150 >> 606 ft is 180 5 m. So even if it was 300 or even if it was 500 I'm out. >> Okay. >> So I I I can listen to this but I have
no problem with it. >> Okay. >> All right. >> I'm not on the list. It would be it would be MJK Holdings, but 303 Kenneth Welch would be where the mailing would go. >> Yeah, this this was certified as well on January 27th.
>> Yeah. So, I'm out of >> Okay. >> I've had to a couple of They did a septic system right across the street. So, I've recused on those, but >> Gotcha. I didn't get anything in the mail either. So, I just wanted to double check. I don't want to get halfway down the road and be wrong.
>> Okay. So, since we had a lot of continuences, I would advise everybody to hold on to your stuff for the next meeting. Um, so what's up next? Meeting minutes. Joe called in to say he went over the minutes and so motion to accept the meeting minutes for the conservation
commission hearings of November 13, 2025 and December 16th, 2025 as presented in the packet. >> Second. >> All in favor? I Okay. Um, Joe had given us an article on
snow removal that was included in everybody's packet. Any discussion, comments? >> Yes. I have water in my cellar. >> Yeah. >> All right. I have one. >> I I do, too. Go ahead. You go first.
>> So, uh, I I didn't read this. I just read the headline and I heard somebody telling me regulation that you can't they don't allow municipalities to or anybody to dump snow into the ocean.
>> You can apply for an exception. >> Yeah. >> So I have uh customers that come over from the vineyards and they said >> they do it all the time. >> Giant parking piles in the steamship authority parking lots and they had to get rid of it. >> Yep. >> So the state sent over a snow melter.
Oh, >> and apparently you can let the water from this whole runway. >> You just can't plow it in. >> What do they do? Just park an F14 in front of it and let the engine heat it up or >> it some sort of a massive whatever it was. >> Yeah. >> And they just put it right at the uh
entrance to the Oakluff's pier and they just kept shoving snow in front of it and it just gobbled it up and water just ran into the water right there. >> There's unexpectedly runoff that can't be stopped. It's water that's going in. >> Yeah. >> Not snowbanks.
>> It's not an ex exception to the rule. >> It's not the snow. It's not the water. It's what's in the one. >> All right. It's what we treat the roads with. >> Yeah. >> I guess my comment is about that in Lakeville is what we have
like Kensington Court on their order of conditions. There are places where they're supposed to put the snow and where they're not allowed to put the snow into their drainage and stuff and like who ever checks that? >> Nobody. >> Right. And you can't tell me that they
didn't have any choice to how to get rid of that snow unless they had trucks and front end loaders come in. So, I mean, I'm trying to think of other examples, but Kensington Court comes to my mind because we spent a lot of time on the plan and where this snow was supposed to go. Well, the team moved all the snow
from the new train station to the old ser station. It's going to sit there and melt the old train station. There you go. Got that going for you. >> That worked out well for them. >> So, they took their snow from Middleboro and put it in bill. >> Yeah. >> I don't think it's really accounted for,
but it's supposed to be in the planning stages of the the civil plan. Uh, >> I will say that probably most engineers don't plow snow, >> right? >> And >> I think in a Pinerest Village, too, actually, now that I'm thinking about it, cuz that's more
>> That was recent. >> Yeah. >> I just think parking lots, my my parking lots have guardrails, things that, you know, you start having islands, they create challenges to move snow, and it's just a mess, and it's really not a good spot to put it. So
wide open's good >> wide open >> for moving snow getting it to go where you need it to go but I also understand there's the challenge of not pushing toward the wetlands if you don't want >> well and then there's the you know
history making storm that comes along that >> right doesn't everything in Lakeville though end up in a drainage somewhere >> like >> it all ends up in a wetland at some point >> it all ends up in a well. >> Yeah,
>> cuz there is no >> for the most part it's getting >> visible storm water. >> It's getting naturally filtered enough by whatever's in between. >> It's like Dr. Fenny used to call it the bathtub like the long pond. It's actually on a map and it shows all
around like one drop of water up on uh >> on the hill next to Tamarak Park going up Highland Road, the highest part right there. drop of water >> like drop there or maybe no it's it's not it's um up Freetown Street the high
spot in Rocky Woods. One drop of water on one spot will e you know go this way or that way and that whole drainage area is called the bathtub. So that's probably different places. That's how it works. Anyway, oh there's one last thing
we got to 160 Bedford Street. Didn't we? >> Mark's been out. Yeah, we did. So, he's working on a timeline and I'm working on a letter to D to say this is all the things that we've done. It's just everything's behind because of the storm and he's >> Oh, they withdrew their plan though,
right? >> They withdrew their plan >> from the planning board, but they still got a ton of wetland over there. >> Okay. >> So, we're I we're done. What more can we do? We've done two orders. >> Yeah. We were drafting a letter that included the timeline.
>> Yes. Yes. And and Mark was going to be working on that. So, it was the timeline and the issues and >> split it up. I'm writing the letter. He's writing the timeline and he's been out. So, but we're still >> That timeline includes enforcement orders. >> Yes. Every everything that we've done. Look, we've done all of these things. We
need some help. I didn't say help. What I say in my letter? I made it sound better than that. Anyway, I'm working on the letter and he's working on the >> direction. We need regulatory oversight. Yes, >> we need D. >> Yes. >> Back. I saw.
>> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. So, motion to the hearing. >> Ajourn the meeting. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Wow. I can't believe what