[Music] good evening everyone and welcome to the April 22nd meeting of the Lakeville Conservation Commission we are being recorded by Lake PM and I'd like to ask if anybody in the audience is recording seeing none we will begin by introducing
ourselves i'm Mark Mitten i'm the conservation agent john Leblanc Michelle Bashard Nancy Aates Joseph Chamberlain Bill Faros okay first on our agenda tonight is a seven Pineel Bluff Road is a request for
a certificate of compliance um this was for a closing um I've been there did you go Mark to Seven Pine Bluff just me house has been there for a long time everything's really beautiful what
brought up this is uh a sale sale of the house and it was on their deed and needs to be removed but as far as I can see everything is in perfect order so we need a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 7 Pine Bluff Road SE
192568 so moved second all in favor i 2008 yeah it's been there for a long it was just a redo of the house anyway the sales that forced the people to finally
get the certificate of compliance okay next up is 44 Cross Street another request for certificate of compliance SE 19274 there was some confusion on this one so this is also a continuance so I
need a motion to continue 744 Cross Street SC 19274 to May 13th at 6:30 p.m at the police station so moved
second all in favor i I I check okay next up 129 Stapleshore Road is a request for determination for the addition of a small storage shed and greenhouse i am going to read the public
notice pursuant to Mass General Law Chapter 131 the Wetlands Protection Act the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on 4225 at 6:30 p.m at the Lakeville Police Station 323 Bedford Street on a request for
determinability the applicant Donna Dost is proposing to add a 10x6 ft storage shed and a small greenhouse project is located at 129 Stapleshore Road and is identified on Accessessor's
map 64 block 3 lot 13 yes i live on Steeple Shore Road yes so I don't know if I should uh excuse myself for bringing this or are you going to direct the butter no I'm not i think it's all right it's fine okay yep
unless you're doing the work for them and being paid for it in which case then so I can speak to this one um we have the applicant here but I've been out to the site a couple different times uh
Nancy okay the chair has as well um and everyone should have this it's a handdrawn diagram and gives you the uh the um distances on the back of the property there's a um a stream and then
wetlands further back into the woods there um it's and I uh it's I I think it's it seems reasonable it's a freestanding small greenhouse which is there on the back uh
I believe it's going to be on some type of cinder block with some gravel underneath and it's organic no excavation no and then up against the existing garage
is where this um small shed is going to be built guess it's a storage shed this small How close to the property line are you put in the greenhouse do you know 12 how close to the back property line from
the back i believe it's 38 ft it's five and a half how far to the wetlands behind there 38 ft well everything's supposed to move up it's there are wetlands when I went to look at Mass
Mapper there's wetlands to the north and east and then there's to the north and the west there's a stream which is a connectivity between those two wetlands it mass mapper shows that the wetlands
start I can't give you an exact distance but isn't right there but it's hard to imagine you know I think it's yeah within the buffer it's um the only thing I can say it has nothing to do with wetlands but if
you're going to put it 5t off the property line just check with Nate save yourself some headache you might because I think there's a back set a setback that I think 5 ft might be a little too close to the property line okay but if there's nobody there you
don't have to pull a permit cuz it's smaller than But I'd run it by him um just before you locate it and have to move it so but other than that question yep garden shed
um no greens greenhouse for Okay well greenhouse so hazardous chemicals petroleum based stuff stuff not brought no chemicals okay okay but the storage
shed's different from the greenhouse yes okay it's attached to the garage right that would be Yes and that would be for storage by the way electric um wood power washer snow blower things
that we all have snow what is this word snow of what you speak I haven't used my snowblower in about 5 years now best reason it I still have I still have the plow on my plow truck is coming off tomorrow I figure I I'll be safe if I
wait till tomorrow are are you running power to the greenhouse at all no Oh oh so when I was on the property there was uh pile of soil there and if if I was going to make any recommendations of
things that you could do is or should do is well um while you're building this some type of sedimentation control at the edge of this this stream and stabilize the
backyard whether it's grass or and and do something with that pile of soil fill the raised beds okay all right that's good for Okay um I think he's saying that the pile's not a problem but you need to cover it in some way if we have
a torrential downpour that it needs to be stabilized it's covered completely okay completely covered with a tarp and all it down and once the greenhouse goes in that's going into the You're putting raised beds into the greenhouse is what you're saying no not in the greenhouse
in the garden in the garden outside on the land yeah yep so Mark you want a siltation barrier yep across the back and I and and the soil it was you know it was winter when we
were out there so it was some some exposed soil but you know with some type of we had a fence installed in the when they removed you know put their posts in they made a little pile next to our big covered pile so that's what you probably saw that was the exposed stuff that the
fence guys did um which is small the exposed pile is just a little The rest of it was all covered in a tarp it has been yeah uh so just I mean basically any anything you can do you
don't want exposed soil there in case it it rains cuz it's all going to wind up in in the stream in the wetlands so whether that's putting down grass seed you know um I I don't know what your plan you know if you have that in mind
raised beds with some just peace with some pieces of slate over it so if everything can you know drain well through it just a typical little raised bed garden area okay i'm I'm okay with that i just while
you're working on this something to make sure you know um the hay the hay bale thing hay bale or waddle thing waddle but we're moving away I think from waddles but the turtle tube is that what it's called the turtle tubes actually
I'm being remissed that I didn't have you step up to the microphones through all this would you just step up and identify yourself please I'm slacking on the job yes okay Donna Dost 129 9 Staple Shore Road okay sorry that's a room no no I'm saying I'm
sorry up there does your backyard actually slope down at all or is it fairly level i'm sorry does the the backyard does your backyard slope down or is it very level fairly level it's very level and then there's a a rip wrap wall at the at the edge the whole L which has been there forever when we
first bought the place um which separates the yard from the stream oh is there mhm yep there has been 100 years old i don't know how long the rip out has been there
um was that the only condition barrier yeah okay okay so I'm looking for a motion to close the hearing issue a determination um negative negative3 with a condition
of you'll put a facilitation barrier and you will check with the agent to go and review it before you start work okay mhm so second anybody else all in favor i I Good luck
yep thank you and if it's the first time that you've heard negative3 determination that's actually a positive thing okay yeah people get a little People get real people get good you're not Everybody's smiling so I feel okay and we're trying to keep track of who's been here to hear
it before and then do some you know general if I have a bumper crop of cuces or something I'll bring them on over and we won't say no thank you thank you radishes oh was it easy easy peasy
okay okay thank you have a good night okay so one two three next up 14 Sandy Point Road four oh 14 okay it's number four you know you got you got 14 Sandy Point Road
rda for tree removal continued from 4825 because it didn't go in the paper i was just I was just down i'm just going to read it into the record no it's okay sorry okay pursuant to Mass General
Law Chapter 131 the Wetlands Protection Act the Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on 4225 at 6:30 p.m at the Lakeville Police Station 323 Bedford Street on an RDA the applicant Jeffrey Bernier is proposing
tree removal the project is located at 14 Sandy Point Road Lakeville Mass identified as a census map 39 block 5 plot 20 okay go Mark so I was just down at the
property about 2 hours ago hour and a half ago the trees are down the trees have already been removed sedimentation was in place and I think he had Were the stumps ground no they Oh yeah
they were not removed they were grounded yep he was in Florida this is kind of after the fact that I don't know what happened but it didn't get noticed in the paper you know how hard it is to schedule the tree guys i told them to take pictures or have somebody take
pictures but everything's in order so Mark do you know what they did with that beach tree i can ask him i don't know exactly what they did with them because of the uh beach leaf just Yeah just curious i'll reach out to him we wouldn't want that
sitting you know on the edge of the property around other trees or anything i think they were moving right yeah just incidentally peaches there's a tree company I ran into i just talking to the guy out out in the yard a couple weeks ago a resendes of the resendes from
Freetown freetown that there's they have nematodes that fight the bad neatodes now sure so it's first question I asked this guy was can anything for you know beach leaf disease he said "Speaking of
that." So and that and it involves no chemicals just again they have an army of good dematos so we'll see if this this works out to be viable supposedly it is okay so I look for a motion to close
the hearing and issue a negative three determination everything's already been checked so going to have So moved okay second anybody else no all in favor i
I Okay all right now I would like a motion to take 160 Bedford Street and rear Bedford Street out of order take them so moved take them early take them early right yes okay i know which
motion and a second second no I got a second i'll get a second okay all in favor i I Okay um I think we have our attorney here from 160 Bedford Street you're hearing you right here yes yes
please come up and I don't know if you had talked to Rich today or not but I got a hold of them you didn't cuz I did i Yeah it's hard um but I did talk to the office and they I said I was we were going to do a continuence and they said fine and I
said you were coming tonight to talk to the commission so they're okay with it so if you could just introduce yourself sure uh my name is Deb Keller with Maryland Engineers and Land Surveyors i did the uh stormwater peer review for this project
uh we wrote a letter I wrote a letter back Let's see what date is on here uh April 3rd I do believe Prime Engineering sent in some revised uh plans and documents to address uh my comments i've had a chance to skim through them i
haven't been able to write a formal letter back i do believe there are still some outstanding items um that weren't clearly addressed i can go through my letter if that's helpful or I would think that
would be very helpful but um the first thing I've only talked to John here tonight and our agent does know but um the one thing I don't think the board knows is that none of the wetland line has been approved
um there was an INRAD many years ago i don't even know the exact date i think I saw that and an ORAD was never issued it was but it's old it's out of date so they came back in uh 20 August of
23 of 23 with an RDA for determine the wetland line and we didn't approve it we did a a positive three um and asked that they do a notice of intent so none of the wetland line on
that property for either the pond in the front which is kind of on the other people's property but it's still or the little pond that goes um under the driveway to the neighbors is uh none of that has been
approved so that's one issue and I just wanted to get that out before we So for clarification the RDA information that they just recently sent which is
the 2023 you're saying that right um was not and I have the minutes from this meeting too and if you um I don't know if she sent you our determination or not i got a uh yes it
was in Okay good okay but you know I it was in the package and I was like really reading everything very carefully and uh I'm like okay it's not under negative determination so um uh it's kind of was
an oversight and then I was questioning why we did that because it was just for the wetland line and then we said we want an RDA but then they were talking at that time also about buildings and septic systems and whatever so but comment
number one says there is an a current ORAD included in the NOI application was only for the centrally located bordering weather so there is one but not for the two outside that that was my comment to
them but that ORAD expired in Oh okay so the ORAD you're talking about there has expired expired right so the black is her and the red is their respon okay all right and so then see if I keep my Okay so that was number one okay i'll let you
continue so yeah so with that understanding they they should be asking for confirmation of the wetland line i don't know if you want someone to review that or if Mark
can review the line and confirm it okay because you could do that under this wet uh notice of intent okay um just my thought and I have no problem with you but this is a
really this is before all the boards in town it seems like and all the eyes are on it and it would be my thought that we get a professional wetland scientist to review the wetland line i would second that motion no
I didn't want to no no no thank No no i appreciate Yeah no I agree with Yeah I wouldn't want to any of us to be responsible i I really think just because we need to really make sure everything's I'd love I'd love to be out there when
they were well that I would like you to be out there too when we get we don't have any wetlands uh scientists on staff i can definitely the person we typically use is Brad Holmes out of environmental consulting and restoration out of Plymouth we've used Brad before we've
also used Brandon I had a hard time with so yeah either one mhm okay perhaps will you coordinate or would you like me to call or um sure how we want to I can I can I I can reach out to both of them
i can talk to Is there a preference well I'm just thinking if it's somebody that she already works with maybe we would as a peer review just let her handle the whole thing it would take it off us totally would be my smoothest yes because we also want to give a little bit of history of the
project and the change in the in the property to the scientist who's going to be doing the review and then be present is the wet line marked no no no no there are some old flags out
there but it's not not where our appropriately the land it's not appropriately delineated at the time needs to be clearly delineated especially how complex this is so that we can get very accurate measurements and impact um because there's also
multiple pieces of property that are impacted so I think we can't do much else until we get that done too so there's no wetland line to peer review right
yeah there is a wetland um north of Mhm the property off property but the buffers come on the property so that'll be one that you won't confirm the line but you'll review it to make sure that it's accurate so that they could uh represent the buffers on the property as
well yeah almost none of this is outside of the buffer say again you have to go to the very like southwest corner of their lot where they're not doing work to be outside of the buffer at this point right um so do you have all the information to
pass on to like Brad i can yeah I have um I will pass on the site the plans that we have current that they just submitted okay with the the the ORAD that they filed okay and um I can I can
give him a summary and then ask him for a proposal to review it okay but I would think that um in in my next review letter I'll I'll mention the fact that none of we confirm that none of the lines have been reconfirmed
and they should go out and refl them so that they can be reviewed at least get that process started and by maybe by the time they get them reffl okay he's uh able to do that okay if he's not I'll reach out and get the uh other gentleman that you work with
and contact him as well thank you so you will put in your response for them to flag the wetland thank you okay yep so
um that's one thing i'm just going to open up this thing um I have I have to say that uh pretty confusing plans
informationformational wise as to what's actually being proposed what's not okay which one are you looking at so we I am looking at the grading and drainage plan okay um it has a response uh revised
plan uh date of April 11th so it was within the the current package they submitted um so they did uh everything I kind of look at is like going at to make sure that they have resources on on the plan
and then looking at you know kind of going through GIS and seeing if there's any other issues on the site um habitat which there is and I uh believe they received a letter I did get that in my package from Natural Heritage
mhm um and I think I was trying to understand what they submitted to natural affairs to get that letter um the date of the plan that they submitted submitted in com in comparison to this
if it was the same I'm sorry it it was similar in the in the sense that it had a basin in the the rear corner um but it wasn't as detailed as this one kind of again limited in
sort of what they're doing um on this plan here they're just showing grading What I did ask uh for them to identify which is one of the things I believe still needs to be clarified is the limit of the parking where you're going to
have the reclaimed asphalt versus what is the rest of the area going to be they in indicated it was going to be loan and seated but they just added one line and put vegetation with an arrow and pavement or parking with an arrow and so
if I'm to follow that I'm following the dash line which goes onto the adjacent property so now I don't know where the limit of work for the pavement is so it's it it it does um leave a little bit to try to
understand what's what's happening um with respect to you know everything that's going on here again they're showing a septic system that goes to nowhere although there's a portable trailer right but
it's not tied to the portable trailer no there um I did see in some of the plans that I had been provided there was a proposed building on one of the plans that had tied it to it but now that's off the plan and then in their storm
water for this basin um they are alluding to future pavement but really that pavement should if they're designing the basin for future pavement that pavement should be shown
as to what they're um proposing because um agreed you have this plan and I would hate you approve it and then they come back and go "Oh well it's already been done." And how do we then kind of reconcile everything between the plans it should
what they're proposing in front of you should be on the plans um and also we're not even want to deal with a septic it's not part of our job at this point to deal with a septic or a building in the future and I would think they wouldn't
want to have to redo their basin all over again i just don't Yeah i I guess when I was driving down here too I was just wondering um it was there a direction that they were given to put the basin in no I don't think we gave any I think
they came up with this right this is the plan that they came up with they came up with this plan this is now the April 11th one dated um and your review would be based off of the amended or modified plan we'd asked for because of what was
found in the testing that we required over the the fall and and winter so that's where the storm water and drainage modifications have been made so I'm wondering if some of what you had in review was part of what was submitted well last summer it might have been
changed right because since then they've had two enforcement orders and a cease and desist on the property so so this kind of came out of that and the test to address those issues then and what we had given
them direction for were the test pits where that they found the arsenic and the copper and the lead whatever heavy metal stuff yeah and so they did do a final report that said that when they they felt as though they tested enough and felt it was clean to moving forward
with storm water to address any future development but I I guess I'm confused as to what the future development is if you're it's almost like backwards you're putting a basin in before you have the development
i think that's what Mark and I had said already yeah unless I'm missing something we had similar comments that Right we We have comments all over your report here to say why wouldn't they tell us what they want to cuz we tell everybody all the time what everything
you want to do conceivably so you don't have to come back here again um so I don't understand when it could change what go all this paving and that crushed asphalt they brought there when they're under a enforcement order and
it's in big piles there to me once that's like they spread that out and roll it down now that's going to change Mhm the basin right and then it would have to be
modified to expanded or adjusted to accommodate whatever development they're looking for and that we really like on an order of conditions for anything we have to really call out that this does not include a septic system or a building or anything else
only what they're proposing for the parking lot and like I say that asphalt two of those piles of asphalt are like right out next to the basin yeah i don't know if you saw the asphalt that they don't I tried to send you pictures on my when I was driving by that's hard
yeah but I had sent some pictures cuz I was kind of horrified that when they were under a enforcement order and not to do anything else that they went and dumped that all out there and what they call small piles now I thought they were as high as the dumpster well they're
like those piles right out there across it looks like a dump truck maybe i don't know john did you see the piles yeah okay but he's like "Oh those aren't large piles." I'm like "It's depends on your perspective everything's relative." Yeah well the the the one standard is
standard five which is the higher pollut uh potential pollutant load so here I I didn't get I don't believe I got an answer to the question but which number you talking about um it's on it's page it's on page three of my
letter i don't think they responded to it it's We have like um comment number four comment number five yeah that doesn't align with my comments all right um and I don't believe it's in their
response letter okay in I went through the storm water management standards one by one so it's actually standard five of the storm water um standards which is for uh higher potential pollutant loads
and usually it's you know where you either high parking truck storage so what I was asking just seeing you know walking the site kind of questioned what the use of the property
is for or if it's for truck storage they may need to look at additional treatment for their storm water but I don't have a use so I can't I don't know how to answer that without them telling us
what they're using the property for um so that'll be a question I I guess I have to ask again okay um again I went through I think in general if I'm just looking at the storm
water the the breaking up and the redirection of the water seems seems appropriate i still have questions on the trench drain system out front i believe it's still not modeled
appropriately in their in their drainage model um they have some errors in the model that should be addressed so that we can make sure that we're looking at real numbers and just just for example and and this is why I know it's not modeled
correctly as you look at it you're at elevation 86 for on average 86 87 for the site when I look at the trench drain and the way it's modeled and I think it's the in the 100red-year storm event it tells me the peak height in the
trench drain is 236 which is a little bit higher than the site itself so there's there's an error there that just needs to be fixed so that we're looking at accurate numbers um and it may
not change the result but I think you should have appropriate an appropriate analysis uh for your records and it looks like and I'm not great on the engineering but it looks like when that trench out front
over tops it's going to go into the wetland that is correct so is that like going to be treated if it over tops it's not draining straight in right you you would be getting the treatment through the culttech chambers and this stone trench
so then it it gets treated and then it would bubble up down the slope and supposedly So it would be treated before it hit the wetland so it would be treated yeah if it's done right if it's done right okay all right that was my question and one of the questions I was going to
ask um Prime Engineering in regards to hopping back to the uh big basin out back is it looks like this basin is designed as what I would call a pocket wetland or wet basin because
they're trying to intercept groundwater in certain areas um I did ask for a test bit i believe they asked that they could do a confirmatory test pit in the basin prior to construction mhm um which
is okay most of the time but if this is truly supposed to be a pocket wetland and they're not getting into groundwater as much as they should um approp to
appropriately design the system it it could change the way the system is significantly so I would almost think we'd want to have that information now rather than later because they'll end up coming back to you if they have to change the
basin um so and there is no and this it may I just need clarification the only reason I'm saying this is cuz they don't call out what type of basin this is other than they are calling out micros um which are associated with pocket
wetlands so you're saying they need to do more test pits prior to not before you approve the plan so that we can confirm the design and then they need to provide us with a design for those pocket pools
they have a certain size that they need to be we don't want them to be mud puddles they have to hold you know be able to contain water so that they're you know not full mosquito breeding areas and it's it it has an
appropriate design um and it may be done i just it wasn't provided so um and I did want to review with them i know they did describe it in their letter and it may be accurate but I I
was thinking that we have um the the what they call it the pig blanket the pig blanket yeah which I I researched it and it's it sounds very interesting and I have another site that
I'm I'm tempted to to use it on um but my question is is we have it at the outlet but we're intercepting groundwater in the basin so what's the difference why why do we
have it at the outlet only when we're already in contact with groundwater back here back in the basin ah so it should be in a different place maybe i I I guess I just need clarification on how you know what their thought process in
that design especially when I believe Prime is the one who did the the the soil remediation on site so they should really have they may be able to answer it i just haven't gotten there yet okay we actually have um I I had a number of
questions when they talked about the the new pig idea um and they had said that they had never used it before this would be a new application and I had some questions and concerns specifically about had they talked to the manufacturer had they reviewed
previous use case on other properties because the way that they were planning on not installing it holding it in place was essentially going to squish the pig for lack of any any better way to put it and and I had
concerns about if in a flooding event high water that they said "Well no it'll you know it'll slow the the water flow through there which means more time in contact more time to decontaminate which is all well and good unless you slow it so much that you now have a backup
upstream before it hits the pig and now you are flooding into you're creating a flooding situation of untreated water as a backflow because of the high volume water so I had wanted them to do a little bit more research about their method of securing the pig in place
because the ones that I've seen have had you know interval straps not just compressing the whole entire pig and I think it could it's a great solution if implemented right but if implemented not quite right it could just move the
flooding to another place and again have it be untreated um and there's already issues with some of the other work that's been done just to the the south of where that that buffer line is and where they're putting the pig um that
upland there's been a lot of if if you go back and and you walk there's been a lot of work done there and and change in sort of the landscape yep so that was a a big concern that I had about the pig not
using it just making sure that it was researched and it was being implemented in the right place and secured in an appropriate fashion for the for the situation here so that we're not creating more flooding than especially the abutters have historically had
already well my I I made one other question um as to whether or not you know they've got a serpentine sort of flow pattern in the basin and then they outlet and I looked at that long long pipe and I'm going "Oh you're going to
be disturbing that whole section is there any way that they could sort of flip the flow pattern so that you're outletting and discharging to the wetland on site?" I don't know if that's
a good thing or not but you're still going into that same sort of flow pattern but at least it's on on property first um so that you would take the spillway and put it sort of where the
drain pipe is now and put the drain pipe coming in and see if we could get it and I think they mentioned something about invert so I I haven't had a chance to fully look at that but I thought that would might be a way of not having and I guess it's a
question for the commission whether they'd feel more comfortable having that discharge sort of out into that channelized section before it flows off property and all that disturbance in that wooded area or discharging it
upstream of that that wetland resource i think that's comment seven that is it yeah so it was a Yeah hefty one their their response or I believe that was it right right so they are going into
their inverts and I I I will have to go into the study and look at that um I think it would be preferable to keep it on site on their own site as long as it's so you would get you
know and it it all depends on you know how you feel about this one wetland that's on property um you know because you would be providing flow to that ultimately we assume that it's clean coming from the basin um but that has an
overflow and outlet so you could be holding and detaining more water on site like uh Nancy you were mentioning it still flows out that sort of man-made channel um into that c cover culvert cross
culvert under um windway that's pretty steep slope down i mean I can't see that that would be any flooding problem because that's pretty steep slope going down into that wetland yeah so that so that outlet
would have to be at the same elevation as the wetland elevation 77ish or just just below 77 okay um so it would be you'd have to cut through that whole
um slope to discharge but you're cutting you're excavating through it anyway right and then you're saying with the trees and everything with that long and also whether that that pig blanket thing should be further Oh away from the
stream yeah anybody john this is beyond me so it's coming from the basin into that little pocket of wetland and then ultimately if that fills it goes onto the road one way so no they have
actually they've got an outlet in the basin into the basin instead of the wetland so it flows out of that pipe that you see and bypasses the wetland okay and um the little pig um contraption is um at the end of that
discharge pipe right next to the swale they're sending it all the way this way oh they're taking it from here and treating it with the pig here and sending it yeah but that's that's at 78 and this is at 83 how do you send it up though you cut through there they're
they're they're going to cut it down to 75 so there there's a ton of grading they're going to excavate the grade down i got you so instead of doing all of that sort of that's what I just wanted to ask to see if they could minimize since we're already doing a burm here
and altering it for the spillway whether we could put a shorter outlet kind of flip that and um but but they're saying no right now they are but I depends if it's a hard no or or what i mean why are
they saying no is it impossible or is it just harder i mean those are the questions I think I would is it just harder or is it more expensive or why no I I think because they probably have to make the basin
bigger to make it work okay um because they would probably need more volume within the basin but since I don't know what the proposed development is I don't know if there's a problem of making that basin bigger just up front
right here right right where the basin is inappropriately yeah that's where all the the trucks and the stuff that's being pulled out the old vehicles and what are you guys going to use it for you have any ideas
i'm asking you and honestly at some point you know we have nothing at any point i'm sorry stop would you please you have to come up to the microphone i've already got myself in trouble once tonight we might as well ask my phone
and identify yourself kenny Cup for Bird i'm the owner's rep for 160 Bedford Street and 160 Bedford Street okay so you don't have a plan for the use yet no not like we're building a hotel or we're
doing condos or storage units i mean you know there is absolutely nothing uh that's on the table as far as long-term use of what the property is going to be nothing
what's it used for now here's some storage trailers our equipment um storage it's your own personal storage stuff most of it yeah there's some parking out front right yeah there were a few from from Northeast yeah but there
are maybe three or four cars a day there that's it yeah you know that's and we're we have a we're in front of the planning board on uh on Thursday hi by the way hi nice to meet you is there a different plan submitted to that was going to be
one of my questions just just for you know for for parking to handle uh business in Lakeville that uses the lot theoretically for their overflow parking for their employees that's and that is but the planning board has the same plan
they have everything we have i mean the plans all match because I think I already made sure of that yeah I would imagine so okay you know you know again my our attorney is is working on that stuff um but as far as long-term
so you realize that we could you know whatever once this is all worked out we can approve this but if you change what you want to do there I we would not be appropriate i understand that i I wish I had something to tell you that we were
going to do you know and two years from now here's what's going to happen but I don't so nobody tells you anything right pardon me nobody tells you anything right you know you can only tell us what they tell you yeah and as as you know to the
best of my knowledge there are no immediate plans to construct anything but you've got a plan for a septic system you've been there for a long time when I Right that's correct and then there was a building on one of the other
plans so I guess we're all just saying the same thing as this would be a very expensive proposition over here and then a couple years down the road if you do something else over here this isn't going to be appropriate any longer and you're going to have to do it again
well I would hope that if we're going to have to do it again we have some concrete plan that's going to be a revenue generating plan that will certainly off any of the cost associated with having to come back here again but
I I don't have a I can't tell you that there's anything that would alter what we're talking about today as far as plans go for what it's worth I think that we sort of almost need to pause get
the wetlands clearly delineated and then ask them to come in and explain have Prime come in and explain how and why they engineered this way and discuss the alternatives understanding that you don't have a crystal ball can't see
let's presume that no work is going to be done no new buildings or anything but we're going to go with some way to remediate the the issues that are going on we need to have those wetlands and appropriately marked and then there are
questions about why this was designed this way answers about some of the materials that they're going to be using um what's the cleanup work going to be like i just think there's been so much confusion because the plans have have changed or not known the submissions the
amendments um because of the findings and I think we can't assume too too much until we actually know what the property lays out like and then why they designed this i think that we need to deal with our peer review has come up with
quite a few concerns yes is I thought that Rich from Prime was going to be here and I still think he's going to be here um no i talked to them this afternoon we This is basically for us to talk to our consultant about some cuz
they've had a week i gave them till Tuesday to give their response um to Deb and um they only just it's a holiday weekend so I gave them Tuesday i don't know we got it late Tuesday so there was Wednesday Thursday Friday is
three days and it's a holiday weekend she's had three days so she hasn't had the time to respond formally but we asked her to come to just tell the concerns and and answer some of our questions so we can figure out where we're going and give her some direction
she needs some direction from us of how we want to proceed and so that's why we're here tonight i say vice versa it sounds like she has asked questions that they have not yet provided answers to wasn't aware that Prime wasn't going to be here tonight this was you know from
what I read on the agenda that you know Prime was going to be here tonight and you know they had submitted last week um so I assume that it's it's going to
get continued again yes um okay and she will respond because I think she's probably just about close to being able to respond to them so but then they need to I'll give them a time limit again when they need to get back to us
because you can't expect her to respond in 3 days i again Okay it's not your fault i know Kenny i don't okay i think I I I I'm going to reiterate too that um if we need to reconfirm the wetland line
that should be sort of step one I agree so and we want it so because we're going to get a peer reviewer for the wetland line because it's never been approved on either the back or the front the other way around back or the
front and their response on number 11 was future work will have a building and paved surfaces so where what is the intent and the location of that we need to know what that is going to
be i haven't seen all of it so I can't tell you but I know that that was Yeah that was they're going to get a response to this and they it was right on their response the like she said the future will have a building and paved surfaces but like you I guess you're saying it
could be you know after we're all gone i don't know i I can't answer that i Okay i know it's not going to happen in the imminent future i mean I can I can completely appreciate the engineers thought process to try to
design the storm water to accommodate a future development um but it does sort of confuse things when with the permitting process because you're permitting something for something you
don't see yet on a plan and then you know it could be 5 10 years from now you go back and everybody goes "Oh no that was designed for this." And you don't really know that um it's all above my pay grade way above my pay grade so that's that's
sort of why if even if they put whatever future in assumptions that prime made should be shown on here saying future building future parking so that you know what this basin was design or any of the storm water was designed for on this
plan and then moving forward 10 years from now two years from now if you find a use for it and you need to modify something you know what you're modif ifying from I understand what you're saying still above my pay grade
but I'll I'll re I'll I'll reach out to Prime and I can have that same conversation um so that hopefully we can get to a plan that we all put put the puzzles together she can't do anything until we define the wetland wetlands yep okay so what's your
next step in this process of defining the wetlands we're go we're leaving up to our peer reviewer to get a um peer reviewer for the wetlands that you need to I guess have prime or yourself or
whomever the way that they're delineated on the plan is to go flag it in the field and then we'll go and send a period viewer out to agree with it or not agree with it okay cuz looking back through all the huge files and
everything it's only just come to light uh Rich thinks that the RDA that was filed um and the line was carried through all plans but we went back and pulled up the RDA and we never approved the line so uh we'll get with with Rich
okay okay and he can get somebody out there to flag it go and flag all the wetlands for both No no for both sides everything on here no no I I get even over here all right we'll uh we'll have communication okay in the next day
or so okay awesome can can you let me know or the when when you whoever you choose you know is going to go out and do the delineation so i have that piece in my mind no no no and then you know whenever somebody's going to go out there and review that I need to know
who's going to go out there and when they're going out there okay and that Yeah that can go because Mark's going to go out with the peer reviewer when he goes correct that's fine i just need to I need some notice sure
is private property yeah and Well wait a minute it's private property but you have a notice of intent before us and you've signed off that we can be on the property okay okay yeah but comment jurors you want to know well we will be respectable and we'll probably let you
know when we're coming but and I'll never say you haven't been okay all right okay and you know and again we're trying on our end to do what we can i I would give you a heads up if I was just Thank you okay thank you you're welcome
okay so are we all anything else no I I think that's I think that's enough for now wetland delineation yeah yeah and I think that sounds like that's the starting point do we have a copy of the
initial letter that you sent them that then kicked this off if not I have this copy here have a copy of it mark oh he's leaving will you just grab this copy so we can all Oh I'm sorry what do you want me to do she's got a copy of the letter
will you just grab that so that we can give it to Lorie so we can all get a copy of her original letter i don't I want to be able to follow that i think we only got the second one yeah I only have the response from Prime with their comment with the comments back and forth
thank you yeah thank you well Lori will scan it and email it around us okay she should have I sent it to her via PDF yeah I think we have it okay i don't remember seeing it but and my laptop died so I've been a little behind the
eightball there's just been so much change back and forth that I want to make sure that as we move forward and have the wetlands delineated and then we approve that delineation and move forward especially since these plans have have changed what was submitted over the summer what we have now make
sure that we have everything in a timeline order type right i can appreciate that because I think that's what I Yes was trying to do as well um I think that we need to um Yeah you have to come up
Tim we'd like to This isn't a butter so before we we will give him the opportunity to How are you good how are you good tim Win one win one way um I have some questions um when
this all started I've been on one way for since I built those in 2020 um this area here where's the thing that goes across my driveway right here this area all in
here that was that fill was raised multiple feet if you go into the wetlands you can kind of see they built a whole thing i want to say anywhere from 5 to 10 feet i walked the dog there for years on that property and it was
all muck and you had to walk around it so at one point there was a lot of I call it dirty fill it looked like construction debris like old urban fill and they had brought it in in those dump trucks the 10 wheelers and left it there and then that's how they ended up
building the grade up so since that grade has been this last year my driveway all started cracking this whole hill was taken out and this was all done without any oversight no one's permission
nothing so my question is how does this get rectified like do you know what I mean they did the testing over here they didn't really ever test in those test pits we found arsenic we found other
heavy metals in there so they've literally created a parking lot out of swamp without anyone's permission from you guys i had sent a letter as your requested i don't know if you got it but
I sent it um my concern is now my driveway is cracking now we've heard I've overheard talk today about dumping more water into that last year it was up to my driveway does that now go over my driveway
no we with the storm water management they they have to make sure that they're not um increasing flow from existing but they did but they did they took a a massive hill out yeah i can only go from the
existing conditions but you know what I'm saying they took a massive hill so now water runs downhill yeah and then over here where it was all swamp mhm now it's filled correct and they were able to level it out to the front piece which before and then over
here between here there was a little creek that connected to that other wetland that's now all filled in so in here in this greenhouse person that you were talking and a concern about a dirt pile i mean this guy put 12
foot high hedges of dirt that all run into my property i found dead spotted turtles i have pictures of them so when we doing the test pits for the basin mhm
which is where I think you're saying that they were filling is that going to Well where does it is this what you have where it is now so so this is the the the wetland and it's got the little channel that kind of flows out and this must meander down into this so this is your steep all these lines is your steep
steep slope right now right now so then it would be over here if this is where the steep slope is this it would be all over here so that's why we asked originally to go back to the 20-year math to find out what was done you guys don't know what was done no we don't and
DP went back and and there was no DP does the oversight thing where it shows where Phil has been but there was nothing on any of the historic DP stuff you can you can go back on Google Earth
cuz I I did it and kind of go and watch the aerials of the site and see how it slowly opened up and that that's kind of why I I I started out with surprised how
they got a natural heritage letter because this whole back piece is in habitat um and they got a no take letter so do they need to do it again do they need another natural heritage letter
with the new plan if it it depends on what that limit of work was on the plan that they submitted to get that not tape all right so we need to look that up and we're coming back to what is the predicted use of the property right and
I I would suspect that if Natural Heritage went out there unless the site's been cleaned up since we did our site visit not sure they would be too thrilled with what's in
it it wasn't last last week i'm sorry last week when I was out there no I'm sorry no that's why when they started bringing that stuff in I'm like they're they're just building this parking lot before they get your permission cuz what they're doing so I'm going to have Lori
look up what was originally submitted i feel like we already I feel like we did this a ways back this has been just kind of snowballing around all the boards for so long that um I will out a lot of stuff
well we looked at it when it was submitted last summer but the only requirement was did they send to Natural Heritage and did they get a response and that's outside of our But the junkyard stuff they have I know it's not your purview but that also wrecks the ground how do we know it didn't come out of
those trucks and you're allowing the trucks to stay as this project goes i mean to me the common sense thing is get it all out of there and apply normally and I don't know if that's your purview but it's not we don't even know what's in the trucks we Yeah we can't make them
remove that it's aromatic what aromatic whatever is in the They've got them cracked the trailer the rear rear door you can smell them yeah 20 ft away but natural if the plans change
from what originally natural heritage looks at they need to send in fact I'm sure it would say that Natural Heritage letter things change they need to know so I'm going to have Lori well my question my question is they did all this work without your permission
and they did it in swampy land and then I'm sitting here listening to other things that you guys are talking about and this is it's different when somebody comes to you beforehand to do the right kind of permanent than trying to go back and deal with it after yeah but I've
been on on this since last year i get it but if you're asking us to enforce an order to No no I'm not asking you to force because the town's not enforcing anything do you know what I mean they said they're going to charge them 300 a day to remove those cars and they never charge them
yeah i don't I don't I really can't speak to that but who would like on the arsenic like it would be D right we don't really have enforcement they've been I've been talking to somebody at D since the first day and sending them all the enforcement orders and things i mean can we ask them to come out and look at
it we could how can it maybe we can get a D well I I mean I went there at the beginning and then they asked You went to D correct before I went to see anyone and they told me and they told you I had to go through you guys before they would get involved and I've called and they
want local to handle it before it gets to the point of the with the even the with the arsenic stuff i sent all that to D but my question is they did they did those test pits but how do we know how far it
went and no one looked at where they brought all that i call it dirty fill i don't know if this Yeah that was all that's all been they had to do i don't think they did any test bits chain of custody for the arsenic but I don't think they did any over here we have a plan to
show you got all those i sent you everything yeah yeah no I know but they didn't do anywhere where they brought that dirty pill is what I'm saying do you know what I mean they did test bits where the the new scope of or what was proposed the scope of work and then some
of my other questions are as Donna and myself we kind of go from Route 18 all around the property donna owns that old side of the property and there's no buffer at all right now there's nothing they've just And now the water is
running into her property that's that's exactly what we're looking at at addressing right now happening right it's happening that's what this basin is supposed to deal with that's what we're trying to review what would it wouldn't have happened if he
did not increase we can't go back and say that yeah but you can you should be able to find them i'll call we don't have to find we have any finding powers at all that would have to be the D and like I say they've been informed every step of the way and if you even if they
come in Tim even if they come in and say there's nothing there now I mean they could tell them to put a facilitation device on the on the site but they're going to say it's being rectified
but how about those 12T whatever those things are i don't know how high they are but those mounds he put all around the the Burmy built yeah i mean that's that's still there that water's running my driveway is cracked now well so what's my recourse on that so so you
always have civil recourse against an abutter like if if if you believe you were harmed by something he did you can take him to civil court correct but I do you know what I mean if that Are you allowed to put those 12T things up right on the wetlands i mean he did it and
nothing's been done about it what did you think about being about mulch piles well they're not mulch they're dirt with mulch on the top i didn't dig through it i just saw the mulch on top it looks a lot like like shavings from some trees on another site i mean I was assuming that they
were fully mulch it's kind of disappointing to hear that it's it's dirty because No and they were talking about this people that were here with the greenhouse and they have a little pile of dirt and you're telling them to cover it we got it just because we're aware we're aware of that yeah but you've been aware of this i mean you've
seen it i I I honestly was happy to see that to because that the BMW keeps it on the property rather than having it flow through here so um but I mean so this whole thing is
how is is what we can do to deal with this problem yeah no no I know so the multiple meetings we've been having I I get it you you know that's been going I understand your position yeah you know we're doing what we can i mean if you're looking for something beyond that no I'm
I'm really D is the only one that can come in find them or have them remove what's there i But let's say there's this parking lot right yep i would assume there has to be buffer zones and fencing or whatever is that
planning board in my view that would be the planning board for the fencing and things like that yeah and that's why I asked if there was another plan cuz I have not seen yeah and then you and then there's no setbacks for this that that's that's planning wood too the basin
unless there's a local setback the state setbacks for storm water is 10 ft from the property line um and that's just um under D but the town may have like planning board may have other setbacks the planning board have looked at this the selectman have looked at this and
it's come back to that they really can't the selectman we're going to find and then find out it's not in our charter that they can find so they can't find either so um like I say and everything I've done to D and they the answer is they like want your local to handle it
which is what we're trying to do so um I think this is a big step because our peer reviewers going to they've responded to some and she's going to come up with another plan um but I mean we don't even know how many cars they're
trying to get in how big the space is we don't know any of that right in your thing like how much is the parking area covered i mean this doesn't seem Is the parking lot contingent on what and how many they're going to put that would be planning board of how many vehicles
i believe to do what they want to do they need a license from the town they don't have a license that's been the whole problem but didn't they address that and try to apply for one what's that that was for the that was for the unpermitted they were trying unregistered vehicles and they got
bounced and then they were trying to get something else to say that they were just taking cars and shipping them off and they have to be in the prime business of that and then he mentioned today that it was his um storage stuff it's not in prior
meetings he said it right in public that it was he has four like four different leases all verbal going on with different people including Haitians bringing cars okay now we're getting off we we need to stay i'm
saying we need to stay in our lane we've been doing what he Tim may I speak please we need to stay on point of what we can do as a conservation commission and I think we've been very you have as a
board we're the ones who have taken every step and gone forward okay i think we need to let our consultant go home okay yeah i just wanted to let you know what was there prior to that especially if you're going to start flagging
wetlands because I personally I would think over here was wetlands or you would have considered it a wetland and we're going to have a consultant review whatever they flag and our consultant's going to
handle that we're putting it all on her right now i'm sorry that's okay but the question is they flag the wetlands that exist now correct they do not flag the wetlands that exist they'll go back they can look
historically at some stuff um they have to go back and flag the Ora like what was agreed upon previously right and that was delineated and then we're going to compare that they flagged appropriately to what was agreed upon
been in the past 2 years right no long ago 2017 so they're going to go flag what was agreed upon wetlands and then we're going to go in and say Yeah so that was prior to him owning that can I just Can I just see where they're going
to put this drainage along come up here take a look at the the map tim let Donna have a chance you got to be by the microphone and identify yourself donna I guess Donna Katano so Winway is here right bedford
Street's here so we're coming into the site the basin they would like to build is in this corner right where all the trucks are parked now i think this is my property here oh yeah all that okay i didn't know whether because they graded it and the
water's coming more on my property yep but I wondered if they were going to try to put something else to drain here and go under the road because they they closed that up messed up if there's no drainage coming off my property anymore
the water that comes there stays there and I just didn't know you know if they were going to put more drainage there it It actually looks like they're trying to move the high point from you know over here up here so that they're reducing
the amount of flow that comes here and trying to direct most of the water to that basin out back um but again we're looking at uh I think we have four design points this being one design point over here being another
i think this pond is one um one and this is another design point that they have well I just didn't want to see any more water because when the land was there when they filled it in and graveled it and then they parked their trucks like
this it's raining all on my property not all of it but I mean the trucks never move so when we have the heavy rain it comes off and is on my property and I do have a lot of wetland but it's starting to come towards my house now so
I'm more concerned understand part of the reason we want to get some of this work done is cuz it will remediate right some of those issues we have been trying but it takes more than this one meeting we need more people in town that are
concerned but that's all i'm not going to you know because I I can't even get the buffer zone in force you know these are the planning the planning setback yes yeah all right
well thank you all right no those were just my things and then just uh one of the things you reviewed the arson and all that too right that was part of I I reviewed the report okay um so I did I did reread what they did the testing and end
results i believe they found it somewhere over here yeah it seemed like they had a few test handful of test bits in here this is where I was kind of more concerned is where I personally saw the the dirty field and we have proof that that went what up
to Canada or some such place new York went to New York everything goes to upstate New York but then I just No but the conservation's been great trying to get to the bottom of this but now we have like planning so I assume
that's not going to go forward we sharing everything that we get from our peer reviewer with PL with planning board and the board of selectmen okay so her report but that's what's only started i mean you know she had all
those questions now they've answered some of the questions she's not satisfied with that thing so she's doing a an additional and but I have a question too on the storm water wouldn't that be subject to how many parking spots you're supposed to get or how much
is going to be paid and how much grass and I mean just common sense would be like if you're putting this much pavement in then you don't need that much storm water but if you're trying to a whole piece of property that's why I'm curious why they would try to design something without a plan and that's
where we had the outstanding question that they in their response it says future building and parking we want that laid out in the plan like to see where the parking lot is so that way I can voice something to the planning board to say I need a buffer and I don't want to be looking at these trailers or RVs or
boats or whatever is there now so you're going to respond yes like soon and then I'm going to give them a deadline when they have to get back to you the problem was that it's only basically 3 days that you've had to look at that that's not enough time to have our peer viewer respond so they need to
respond quickly and get out there and flag it and um so what I need right now is a motion to continue to continue what date 513 yes motion to continue 160 Bedford Street to
51325 at 6:30 p.m here at the police station second all in favor i I Okay all right great thank you so much thank you i'll I'll get started with Brad and see if he is willing to uh peer review and
Okay if I have any issues with that I'll I'll reach out to you Mark okay thanks yeah and if for some reason he can't do it there's also Brandon that he's really good too i don't know if you've ever used Brandon i I haven't but I'm always happy to meet someone new so okay thank
you what' you say the 13th i just Yep okay back to the agenda nice to meet you all nice to meet you good evening thank you okay so back to the agenda next up would
be motion to continue 17 shore av Oh wait a minute isn't that the next one mhm oh yes it is i just I got two other things to read in oh what are they uh we don't have to
open it to continue it though you sure mhm we just wouldn't if it makes you feel yeah no I think we need to open it and continue it otherwise I'm going to have to do this again yeah I do think I'm right too um what's the Yeah 17 Shore Avenue okay
pursuant to Mass General Lodge chapter 131 Wetlands Protection Act Lakeville Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing on 4225 at 6:30 p.m at the Lakeville Police Station 323 Bedford Street on a request for determination of applicability the
applicant Louvermat is proposing installation of a new stone patio retaining wall new stone pillars fence and grass the project is located at 17 Shore Avenue and is also identified as assessor's map 41 block 9 block 3
motion to open the hearing motion to open the hearing second second all in favor i all right at the request of the applicant now I need a motion to continue to um same property we're talking about i
got 3:13 on all of these 513 at 6:30 p.m at Blakeville Police Station so moved second all in favor i done all right so next is to Shimrock Lane at the
request of um Zenith Consulting Engineers uh motion to continue to 513 at 6:30 p.m at the Lakeville Police Station for two Shamrock Lane we don't have a number on it yet did we have a
reason for that so moved second um it's confusing between 44 Cross Street and two Shamrock Lane there's a lot of things we need to look into okay it's very complicated so we got two weeks to figure it out
motion and second all in favor i okay motion to approve so what's this your meeting on the your on the quarterly meetings no no no wait a minute back it up free Moon Street no two Shamrock i
didn't read the We can't continue it i didn't read the Get into the Oh shock is the swimming pool right too late no back it up it's too late no accord i'll just have to do this again next time that's why okay go for it according to the
provisions of match general laws chapter 131 section 40 of the wetland protection act there will be a hearing on a notice of intent submitted by Jessica and Scott Connell for the construction of an ingground swimming pool with associated patio and grading within 100t bordering
vegetative wet and also is the rroading of a water service from the house to the existing well the location of the project is two Shamrock Lane Lakeville Mass Map 22 block three lot 2-09 the public hearing will be held on
Tuesday April 22nd 2025 at 6:30 p.m at the Lakeville's Police Station 323 Bever Street Lakeville motion to open the hearing second all in favor all right so once again two Shamrock Lane
to Shamrock Lane to 5:13 at 6:30 p.m at the police station second all in favor all right thank you you're welcome all right so Bedford Street all right the memo that I wrote about the Do you
want to do three Mona Street do we have to continue that again oh okay i thought I did yeah we do have to do three Mona Street okay okay at the request of the applicant Zenus Consulting
um they have asked to continue to 513 so moved 192 9:33 at the Lakeville Police Station 6:30 p.m on 513 so moved second all in favor i all right do Do
they not have a Shamrock Lane they don't have a file number yet which is why the X's are there right and we're assuming that they will have it by the time we roll around to the 13th correct well if D sends it okay we have to wait for D to
send it so well we can still you can open it and they might be com they might be um what would you say they might be commenting who knows sometimes they might have to send it to someone else i don't know why we don't have a file
number anyway okay so quarterly meetings there was a vote on a planning board memo um regarding interdep departmental meetings this is the memo that I sent back um they it was kind of we weren't
Did we have to approve it if you already sent it no just FYI all right great all right so done silt sock policy where's the pictures did we get pictures of the soil shops yeah there they are
um we had talked about this last time and I said I will put it on the agenda um we've never had the policy that um a lot of times we get all different kinds of siltation
including hay bail that's like in a netting that you kick with your foot and all the hay jumps out um so I have a that doesn't hold anything back i have a quick question yes are there different types of erosion control for
different situations and others in different situations so do we want to vote to approve one specific one for everything you can't okay i think I think my preferred is the silt
side but right if there's places other types of situations where something else would work better and I think what we should do is specify in our order of conditions instead of saying device we specify what we want
them to use just part of the depending on depending on the situation well the other thing is when engineers do notices of intent they propose the type of of erosion control so and we can push back on it yeah we can if we if we want to
yeah okay i agree i'm just saying we should probably remain consistent on what kinds of like on a steep slope well I think anything like near the pond okay probably silt sensor silt silt fence is probably the best thing right
that PL solid plastic that that keeps well if any but they usually usually if they do that they usually do the hay bale line too hay bales you can do a silk sock with it y yeah we can ask especially for Steve grades mere the open water asks for them to double yeah
and I will teach all the engineers how to probably spell waddle I guess my only thing is we remain consistent on how right how we do it Okay all right yeah and then we'll be specific in our order
of conditions site specific it should be should be on site plans at least and then we can comment it should be just a general lines siltation controls appropriate for the lot for the design something like
that simple sentence will cover it all right joe you're right nope we have quarterly meetings we talked we talked about that we did we did we did okay then we talked about suit policy okay meeting minutes i make a motion that we approve the minutes of the Lakewood
Conservation Commission meeting on February 22nd 2025 as presented to us second all in favor i okay agent updates you're up Mark
i don't really have anything earthshattering i've been trying to work with different residents and um respond to different questions um for
example this tree removal we have down in Churchill Shores i spoke to the the resident um court I I think I've already talked about this but to follow up on that I'm going to share a list of tree removal
services like I don't want to just leave them like you're on your own here here so and it has a disclaimer be careful about suggesting the Yeah we we have a there's a list that that Lori has that has a dis disclaimer this is not a none
of these are recommendations but um but we what Mark and I have discussed about the filing this is a this is like the tallest pine tree I've seen this is a monster it's a monster they want to drop it in the wetland all right you leave it
there yeah so here's the thing my thought which we had talked about the nourishment huh think about the nourishment no think about the endangered species i would say if they're going to drop it in the wetland and want to leave it there
then they're going to need a full notice of intent because it will have to go to natural heritage because I don't know that it's not going to take other stuff down it's going to squish whatever endangered species might be there it also might hit the pond there's a house
well you can't have It's on somebody else's property it's on Church Hill Shores property oh well trees fall in wetlands and into ponds all the time yeah so we don't but this is a beautiful healthy tree he's chopping down and wants to leave the wet and so if he can
get someone to come in with a crane and get it out of there without leaving it in the wet and I think an RDA would be all right but if he's going to drop it wants to leave it in the wetland we need like D comments cuz there's been I talked to another agent in another town
started asking me about well you got to check for the brown bat that's endangered that's what you do on the trees now and I'm like okay I thought bats lived in people's belface but my my concern is with that to your point John
that yeah that occurs naturally it provides structure all kinds of stuff but given that it's an equity thing in my I I'm hesitant to say sure drop it and leave it and then the next person No we would have to research it but to to
assume that Well you can't drop it on somebody else's property well that's the other thing also i don't know if that wetland is but at the end okay so there's the house there's a strip of wetland and then there's Long Pond this is Churchill Shore so I know on that
shoreline along pond is endangered muscles so that's why I'm saying it would have to be a notice of intent so that natural heritage has to be notified and see what their comments would be on
Yeah the impact and I don't worry too much about setting precedent because by law our decisions don't set preced so do you put a notice of intent to get um to file a permit with um natural na natural
heritage i believe we could put it it's the check mark on the national I know you got to pay a fee right and it's the check mark on the notice of intent if we did an RDA I would have to ask the question whether or not we could do a negative show condition that
they want you to check with national natural heritage make sure you don't kill anybody why can't we just Yeah we can condition an RDA that way right maybe to be honest there was a little push back even on the idea of an
RDA this is an e The message I'm getting is this is an emergency it's a safety it's a healthy tree is that right so why is it yeah there's nothing wrong with that tree well that's I'm just saying we're getting what we could do it
depends on what somebody's willing well to if they want to come in with anyhow if they want to crane it out of there they can go do it now and that's that was my message but I bring this back up again in terms of updates this may not be it's not shaking natural heritage if
they want to leave it and swamp right yeah and I I spoke with D about it as well that they thought it was an a notice of intent um but I'm I I'm spending a lot of time with with stuff that we're seeing
on the agenda but also just uh residents reaching out with questions i want to put in a patio can I do that so and that that's not earth shaking stuff but in terms of updates on my time
and so I don't know so nothing to write home about residents of Lake Keeping you busy yes they are good good to hear they're asking permission i'm asking for advice before doing something did we ever decide on a policy for uh
repairing seaw walls yeah revetments we we did reetments right yeah basically you can pretty much rebuild didn't we say rebuild as it was yeah because that kind of depends upon deterioration of what happened there do
you have a wall like your house where every the ice came and ripped everything off a couple of years ago and if you're going to be in the water I mean case by case you got to go in the water to fix my wall yeah we discussed that if you were going to you know like for like
reparations all manual we could do just an RDA versus a full NOI depending on the size and scope of the case of the situation yeah okay and you can always you know we could have you know they put all the boards in the DM cuz the water really is
not as high as you might think it is right now we are still technically in a drought the river is very low yep yep very low yeah anyway so Oh new business before we Okay close okay um to make it
official the select board has chair notified and Nate has been notified um and I do have a letter that is officially tendering my father's resignation from so we refuse to accept it can we do that
we're putting them back to work you can't get away we tried it we tried it with Josh and it didn't take um so I will be emailing it uh to the select board and and copy everybody on it tonight um but
um he might at at some point choosing depending to sit in the back and watch and yell at us he'll probably harass us he won't yell at you but I'll be the one that gets yelled at when I go home um but unfortunately the the time has come that he
his his health doesn't allow it um and to not leave you know the open seat of the question um so uh it's the second time I resigned his job in the last 6 months so respectfully um with very
heavy hearts um we do that for once I'm speechless related i do have a question i did hear that we had another submission of interest well I was just going to say that on our next agenda we have had
somebody that has um requested to be on the commission so I'm inviting him to our next meeting to um interview like I got an interview motion to adjourn i have some questions
oops i'm sorry i'm a new guy so I guess uh I heard a few times you guys say something like positive2 negative one well we don't have that information okay so we don't know what it means right when somebody requests a
determination of active I said it real good all night no I there it's there's a bunch of questions they ask is the wet line right is this wrong whatever so our answer to that
determination is a set of regulations negative or positive negative is good because it means that we're saying you're not impacting the gutland so there's a bunch of I'm going to have Lori email you and RDA and
um the the one they put in determination and then we make the determination so you'll see they ask the question when we answer it if it's negative you check 1 two or three from what the question they asked or it's positive like it was on
the RDA for the um delineation of the oil in a 160 benefit street and it says you know no we don't agree and you have to file a notice of intent okay so maybe I'll try reading it trying to
make sense of it it's RDA1 and it's the what they ask us to determine and our answer so it's two different forms they send in the form with what they want us to determine and then we vote on
whether you need an RBA or a notice of intent so it's just two forms one or the other so she'll send it i usually carry them around in my book which I didn't bring because I have to go and look about You'll get it on the D website right yeah you can about what Lori will send you that you haven't and it's really the
complexity of the project that determines that and and it's you know and the to the wetland and all that stuff so negative is good because not having an impact and positive is bad because you are impacting and we want more information yeah it
seems back I understand it 100% people have gotten really angry with us when you say negative okay the other one is um Okay a lot of times you continue you continue things that do you save the paperwork from then or you guys giving out more paperwork no
just say I save it out the ones that you Yeah you bring it back bring it back i just want to start doing that and uh the agenda and the minutes are those emails ahead of time the email of the for the agenda in the minutes of
those emails um how Yeah you should get ahead yeah you get the whole Yeah I do well I did one so I miss it but I just wondering if it was regular for you guys i I don't usually print mine off but cuz Lori has the packets ready you can go pick them up at the office so you don't have to print it all out on your printer
if you don't want to yeah usually the week before she Yeah I did get one for this one so usually by Wednesday Thursday it's finalized wednesday or Thursday the previous Yeah okay and then if there's any revisions and you haven't been to the office to pick up your packet Mark
we just Yeah yeah i don't I don't print it out either because it's Oh I mean there's a lot of paperwork but you can review it on your computer and then grab your or Mark brings it if if you can't get by the office okay if I go by the town hall and pick it up they'll know no
the old library at the historic library okay so if I go there and pick it up Mark will know I have it he won't bring one himself for me well Lori will know he have it so she won't make another one for his Okay yeah i always I like 100% of the time i picked I didn't today but
I picked mine up four so she'll have 99% she'll have six packets made and then we'll draw down she puts a name on them and if it's if you picked it up and it's a little sticky okay i'll try to pick them up are we that's it for now i think we're signing
this one we signing 129 Staples Staples North Road that one no I believe wait we're signing seven pine block certificate of compliance and the one and then for Sandy
Sandy point sandy point and there was one from last time that was an O-r there was a long sheet um it's 936 there's not a um D number SE1 19296
know what that was what's the address it's not an address on here you sure i don't see it what's the blue sticky please sign from last meeting i gave you the wrong sheet frowny face
that was the old red that um did you find six function i haven't looked at it 1 2 3 at the end of the day as she was leaving what's the worst that happened six throw it away yeah
are we going to entertain a motion all right ajourn yes please can we still keep sighting yeah yeah motion to adjurnn second all in favor i face you want the friend