Evening everyone and welcome to the August 12th meeting of the Lake Conservation Commission. We are being recorded by Lake Cam. I'd like to ask if anybody else is recording tonight. Seeing no one, we will um go around and
introduce ourselves like we always do. >> I'm Mark Minton. I'm the conservation agent. >> John Leblanc, >> Michelle Bishard, >> Nancy Yates, >> Joseph Chamberlain, >> William Maros, >> Anthony Ferrero. >> Okay, so first on the agenda, we have an
opening on Kong and we have a letter of interest from Mark Knox. Mark Knox is previously on the commission for I don't know how many years. >> Over seven. Two. >> Over seven. >> Yep. >> Okay. Um he was also chairman of the
planning board and it was really nice because we had that interaction where we got information planning board information stuff also. Um so what we need to do is take a vote that we would like to have him back on the
commission and that we would send a letter of recommendation to the selectman to appoint him >> and make a motion. >> Is there any any discussion? >> Well, let me make the motion. and see if it's second and then we can discuss it. >> Yes, sir. >> So, I'll make a motion to um recommend
Mark Knox for the empty position on Lakeville Conservation. >> Second >> discussion. >> I would like to point out >> Yes. >> that when he retired from before, >> I stole his name plate. >> Okay. >> And gave it to him in his office.
>> Oh. >> So, he's already got a name plate. >> So, he can bring it back. >> He can bring it back. It's like a perfect fit. All right. So, all in favor? >> I. >> All right. Unanimous. All right. So, we
Lori will >> write a letter >> and we'll be a full board again. >> We'll be a full board again. >> Niles, these were all perfect. >> All right. First up, we have an RDA for 125 Hackett
Avenue. Motion to open the hearing. >> So moved. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. >> According to the provisions of Massachusetts Journal Laws, chapter 131, section 40 of the wetland protection act, there will be a hearing on a request for determination of
applicability by Jessica Falner to decommission the existing septic system and installing piping to a new septic system within the 100 ft buffer zone to Long Pond, a surface water supply. The location of the project is 125 Hackett
Avenue, Lakeville. The public hearing be held on Tuesday, August 12th at 6:30 p.m. at the police station, 323 Bedford Street. Uh, good evening. For the record, now Z from Zenith Consulting Engineers. Um, so we're here before you for a septic
upgrade at 125 Hacket Avenue. Um, so as you can see, um, which is typical in this area, you have the existing home up, you know, closer to Long Pond. You have the property bisected by Hackett Avenue and then you have another property across the street.
Um we the existing well um on the property is located um you know to the rear of the property over here right here >> near the water >> right near the water literally right there. Um >> so in order to get everything as far away as possible um we had to you know
pump everything across the street and we have our leeching area up across the way. Um, all of this is completely outside of conservation's jurisdiction. The only work that's actually within your jurisdiction as far as within a 100 foot buffer or within is actually no
work within the flood zone um is the removal of a tank in the cess poolool and the relocation or repiping of of the uh pipe coming out of the home and putting the tanks in the front of the home. So those tanks are just about at the 100 foot buffer. Um everything else
from there is pumped across the street and then like I said to the leeching field which is way up and out of that area. This was reviewed by the board board of health. It was conditionally approved. Um the only thing that they would like and this would actually make it better for the commission um is they
would like us to right now the existing plumbing comes out of the side of the home um over here um and it's going to make it difficult you know for installation. It can be done but it's going to be difficult. They'd like to see if it's possible uh to come out the front of the home. Um whether or not
that can be done or not, we don't know yet. We have to talk to a plumber and see if it can be done. >> Is there a basement? >> Uh there is a basement. Yes. >> Yes. >> Um but as far as the elevation and everything else, it's it's in and the it's not like a concrete. It's not a concrete foundation. It's stone. And >> how back from the pond is what comes out
of the side? >> I'm sorry. >> The pipe that comes out of the side. >> How far back? >> Yeah. >> Probably. So here's the 100 right here. So it's above 75. >> So you'd be bringing it almost to the other side of the hunt. >> We'd almost be outside of it. The only But there is so the work as far as the limit of work would still stay the same
because of the decommissioning of the existing system, >> right? >> I just wanted to make you aware that if anything, this might change for the better as far as the commission goes. Um besides that, >> um you know, I think it's obviously a huge improvement from what's there now. And I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have.
>> Anyone? >> Yeah. How's uh board of health feel about this? >> They that they approved it conditionally. Um >> they beat it around quite quite a while there. >> Yeah, they well there was neighbors that were concerned. Um >> so but they did condition conditionally
approve it. Um obviously the septic system itself, the leeching field is as far away as it can get from the water supply from Long Pond. So they were happy with that. It was more the it's really just the tankage. So um that but again as far as y you know you're
concerned if anything the work limit will get or the amount of work might get pushed away depending on what comes about the plumbing and >> you have a siltation barrier up there around where you're going to decommission right >> that's correct yeah it's right there. >> Yep. >> So we're actually completely outside the
50ft buffer. >> Is there some sort of a cover drain on the line between two houses there? >> So there's some sort of a concrete thing there. Yes. And that was some of the concern. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But that goes to the back of the lot.
>> That's correct. Everything on this property all slopes to the pond. Obviously, it's a significant drop off. >> Is this a a raised septic? >> Yes, it is. Yeah. There there's actually retainer walls around the all four sides. >> Yeah. The soils over here are not great.
It's a very high It's very indicative of a very high water table and tight soils. >> It's out of natural hair. Is there any natural heritage? Is it out of there? >> There's no natural there's there is natural heritage, but we're not in it. And um it's exempt anyway as a as a repair.
>> Okay. >> So, I need a motion to close the hearing. Oh, anybody else? there there's uh no increase in flow of any sort that would be affecting wetlands right >> as far as the septic goes. No, there's no we would not be allowed the board of
health would never allow us to increase the amount of flow here >> because of the if this were a new lot um this would not be buildable um because of the four you would need to be over 400 ft from the pond from the water supply with the leeching field. Um but
the idea is here is that we're making as best as we can and keeping it as far away as we can. Um this is advanced treatment as well which is obviously significant improvement from what's there now which is required by the board of health. So it's a huge improve like I said I don't want to keep saying it but it's a huge improvement from what's
there now. Right now you have a system that's in the water table. So um you know I think it's a you know benefit >> the general feel of the board of health was improvement for the neighborhood. Yes. Yeah, >> I had a quick question. So, so Nile, so
they approved it conditionally and you're going to go back and report whether or not you can make this change, but they they were comfortable with the original proposal >> that yeah, if there's no other option, then that's they were comfortable with it. And again, that's why I didn't make the change yet because I don't know if
it can be made. Um, it still needs some time, but again, it wouldn't we would as a if a court if as long as the commission's okay with it, if you were to approve, we would just ask that, you know, if there were a change made, it would be so minor that um we would give it to you as an approve, you know,
before you file. But, um, you know, would hope that you wouldn't require us to refile for the for the work because it would pull work further away. >> I think it'd be great if they came out the front, but it wouldn't change our decisioning, right? >> Either way. Yeah, >> it might it'll change the motion a
little bit is all I think that way we got a motion to close the hearing. >> Everybody's done. >> Second. Um >> then >> um >> you want to vote? Want to vote? >> No. But motion close the hearing. All in favor? >> I
>> I'm already thinking about the next motion. So we need a motion to issue a negative3 determination with um conditions that the siltation barrier will be inspected by the agent before
you start work and a if necessary a new revised plan will be sent to Hong Kong. Yes. >> So moved. >> Second. All in favor? I >> I >> Thank you. Okay.
All righty. 135 Staples Road. >> Yep. Motion to open the hearing. >> So move. >> Second. All in favor? I I >> according to the provisions of mass journal laws chapter 131 section 40 of the wellness protection act they will be
hearing on the notice of intent submitted by Richard and Hannah Clayton for the proposed construction of a deck installation of a septic system tank and removal of landing concrete and stairs within the 100 foot buffer to bordering vegetative wetlands in flood zone AE57.
The location of the project is 135 Staples Shore Road, Lakeville. Map 64 block three, lot 10 and map 64 block two, block two, lot 4. The public hearing be held on Tuesday, August 12th, 2025 at 6:30 p.m. at the Lakeville
Police Station. >> Again, uh good evening for the record now, Zo from Zenith Consulting Engineers. Um we're here before you for a good amount of work here as far as uh different things that are going on. Um similar situation where we're at on Staple Shores Road. You have property on
as warmzip pond and located not directly across the street but across the street diagonally um you have this here. Um so the proposal is for um the construction of a deck uh close to on the the water
side of askupon on the back side of the home here. Um is also squaring off putting in a proposed addition. It's only a 16 square foot edition. It's just squaring off the little uh mud room area here. So that and shaded is the proposed addition. Um and then also the upgrade
of the existing septic system right now. Very similar to the last proposal that we just showed you. Um you've got tank pump and everything else and then it pumps up staple shores road and it goes to what's called a bottomless sand filter um which is located um across the
street. Um as part of this proposal as well is the removal um in order in order to try to um reduce the amount of impact as far as impervious area or lot coverage goes. Pilot's proposal is we're removing stairs, we're removing um a
good amount of concrete um landing and uh patio um on the property to try to reduce it. So we're bringing the lot coverage down while not not major but we are reducing it from 29.1% to 28.3%.
>> So um that as part of this proposal that that's the reason the main reasoning for the the removal of those areas uh to try to work with the with those uh requirements as best as possible. Um >> well that's unusual to hear.
>> So that that's this I don't believe again I don't know for sure this is Jaime's job. away. Um, but I believe I don't believe this has gone in front of the board of health yet. Um, >> no, it has not. I checked today. Has it gone? >> Okay. >> So, um, >> who owns the road? >> Is it a community road? >> I believe so.
>> Private, right? >> Private road. >> Can you just put a put a pipe in the road? >> Yeah, we did. I just did it on That's what we just proposed on Hack. They have the right to access the that property. They have to bring the utilities across. Um, so yeah. >> Okay. >> Did you get a D number yet? I I don't
believe we have >> we haven't. Lori said that I checked with her this afternoon. So you have outstanding natural heritage. You have no D number. Um board of health is yet. When I talked to Ed today, he said it plans like this, it's likely it could
change. So we don't know if this is the plan that we're going to be approving. And this is a question I looked and looked and looked at the ZBA um application. I'm trying to Why do you need to go everything's pre-existing
non-conforming? Nothing changed. Why are you going to ZBA? >> I think because it's still a non-conforming lot with the over the lock coverage. Um and and the setback in the rear is still it's still too close. >> All right. So, but you're doing less lock coverage. >> That's correct.
>> So, >> but it's still work on a non-conform. still requires a special permit. >> All right. Just curious. >> No, of course. It's a good question. >> Um, >> yeah. As far as natural heritage go, the D I obviously can't answer for. Um, but the natural heritage, we have a letter in there
>> about the exemptions. Yeah. So, again, we still need a response, but >> um it's our it's our take by reading their regulation and their exemptions that it is exempt. >> All right. >> Under the regulation. >> Mark went out and looked I I believe
I don't know. Did they already work and take the stairs out? >> I have no idea. >> Mark, >> so I I went by yesterday. Um it was yesterday. Um they were they were removing the siding. Uh I think that was that was part of the
building permit, but they had a Bobcat on site. And I called Jamie to see what was up. And I guess what he he told me and then I also talked to the owner of the property that there were uh the steps. They're on that on the talking about these over here.
>> Yeah. And it was made out of the um according to Jamie, it's kind of the concrete they used to make bunkers out of that can't blow up with, you know, 16inch battleship. So they used the back the Bobcat to to break it up. So um yeah, so
there was a little bit of work done there, but uh and I guess the Bobcat has been >> and the siltation barrier is not there. So there's been work done. The siltation barrier wasn't up. >> So, >> has the Bobcat started on the uh landing?
>> No, it's off the site, too. >> I There were a couple guys working on this, getting the sighting off and I I I didn't even talk to him. I got out of the car. You see the Bobcat there? But and then I I was like, "Okay, I'm going to call Jamie." Yeah. See what's going on before.
>> Okay. So, I will um I will inform my client um that they had a stop um as far as any, you know, earth disturbing activities and that they have to put the erosion control up right away. >> Yeah. And and I spoke to the owner. He was cooperative. He was like, "Oh, yep." You know, >> so he's aware of the the issue. And did
you talk to him about putting the erosion control up? >> I I didn't. >> All right. We we'll we'll inform you. We we can do that. But with um what's outstanding, I I think that and not having a D number. We rely a lot on when we get a D number on
the little stuff that go that they tell us that goes along with it. So I I would like to see I don't know how many else feels, but this continue to the 26th. >> 26. >> By that time, you'll be by the board of health, >> correct? You'll have everything you
need. You'll have your letter back from Natural Heritage and we'll have a D number and see what they have to say about it. Does the the commission have any other concerns or anything besides obviously the work that's been done? Just if there's going to be any changes that the commission would like, we'd like to
obviously address that now if possible. >> Well, it's not in our perview about the legality of going up those that street. Um you say you did it somewhere else, but like I say, I just like to see it. >> The one just before us. >> The one before us. I did. We do. We've
done this many, many of times. Yeah, it happens a lot. But different private roads. >> Yeah. Yeah. Understood. >> Yeah. No, I don't I don't have any other questions.
>> Um I was I was looking at the um the leeching field. Um I guess this sand filter. So uh I don't see any sedimentation. It backs up to the wetland >> on the back side of the >> Yeah, we have it. We actually have it
right here. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Yeah, I saw that now. >> It's okay. Yeah, we're wrapping both sides. Um, and we're connecting it right to the existing uh structure that's there. >> What's the structure? Garage. >> It's a garage. That's correct.
>> Okay. And did did we sounds like we did we resolve the um green cards uh for the butters for New Bedford and Taton? >> Everything's perfect. >> Scratch that one out. >> Yeah, that's a little snafu I'm going to
look into. >> All right. So, I guess I'm looking for a motion to continue unless anybody else has anything to say. So move to continue to >> 26 >> 2625 at 6:30 here at the police station.
>> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> 8:26. >> You'll be here all day. All right. Next 1214 Morrison Way.
>> Um again for the record now Zigger from Zenith. Uh this was obviously uh continuation from the last hearing. Uh we had discussed the project. There was some um open things as far as natural heritage. Um and some it wasn't approved
by the board of health at that time. It's since been approved by the board of health. Um and we also I believe have response back to natural heritage. It is definitely utilities um such as wells and uh utility lines are exempt under their
>> under the act. Um so but we did we did put a letter together in that you know stating that. Um, so just to kind of stress again what we're looking to do here. Two, there's actually two homes on the property. You got Morrison Way here.
You got 12 and 14. Um, right now, uh, the well, um, is in failure. There's no water. Um, so they're trying to drill a new well. Um, so we are sticking, we are placing this as far back as we possibly can. Um, you know, from the leeching
fields that are on the property. Right now you you have a cesspool um as well as a a leeching area um for number 12 over here. So we'll try to keep it as far away as we can. It is within existing lawn you know landscape area. Um it again it is in natural heritage
jurisdiction but it is exempt. Um we did uh at the last hearing there was discussion was a great uh comment about as far as the deatering basin. So, I added that on the plan. Um, which is an important thing for when we're doing the well. Um, the utility line for the well
will be run in the same manner that it is now. Um, is as far as from the well and it'll go to the side of the home that's currently there uh where the existing well is. Um, and then it'll be back filled and um it'll be back filled and lo and seated. Uh we have proposed
erosion control along that whole back uh area and along the side area there uh to try to mitigate any um you know any siltation entering that area and uh >> it it only services 14, right? >> That's correct.
>> 12 has correct. Yes. >> Yes. I'm sorry. Yeah, there's a well so there's an existing well on number 12 up in the northerly side of the property there. >> And that's not a drilled well, right? as shallow well or >> the existing one. >> Yeah. >> Oh, no. It's actually a drilled well. >> A drilled well.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a case that sits there >> and it failed. >> Failed. >> How deep is it? >> That I don't know. There was no record of it. >> Oh, >> so I don't know. >> Um my question, I don't remember seeing
this on here before, but the size of basin could be determined by length and rate of dewatering operation. >> Yeah, that's how we always do it. Yeah. >> Okay. I just don't remember seeing that saying that like right maybe because this plant I have is so big. >> So, but I mean you have it on here hot. And what would you do? Just extend it if
it's needs to be bigger. >> That's correct. Usually start with like a 10 x 10 area which is usually more than enough. Um and then go from there. If they need to extend it, they can extend it. >> Now where these lawn chairs on this photo is basically where you're located a new
proposal well. Correct. where the where the chairs are on the on one of the covers. >> It's right by the shed. >> Right by the shed, right? Right. >> Yes. Yes. That's correct. Yes. >> So, was the association in
the green cards? >> No. >> No. I don't think I've ever seen that because that wouldn't that wouldn't be picked up because because the >> unless there was a property in there that they own >> that they own
>> then they would but other than that they would not be notified >> because they're not technically >> belong to the association. I thought it doesn't matter if everybody's happy they're getting a new well especially if they don't have any water.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What are they doing for water now? >> I'm sorry. >> What are they doing for water now? >> I don't to be honest with you, I don't know. I don't even know if anybody's living there right now. I think they might not be living there. >> Okay, everybody. Good. >> I need a motion to close the hearing. >> So moved.
>> Second. All in favor? >> I. Uh, so now I need a motion to issue a negative three determination with um condition that the agent be called to inspect the siltation barrier
and check out the the watering basin. >> So moved. >> Second. All in favor? I I >> Thank you. Good night. >> Thank you. >> Good night. and Nancy, you're going to want these. >> Well, Mark is Why don't we just hold
them? >> All the way down, Mark, please. Thank you. All the way down the mug, please. >> Thank you. What am I doing with Don? I already lost my pile for Don. Done. All right.
Next. 52 Cleop Road. All right. So 52 Clear Pine Road. Um their wetland scientist Steve Schmile had a motorcycle accident. He's recovering slowly. Um and
they had talked about changing wetland scientist midstream and I said that I'd rather see it continued and stick with Steve. He's done the work. He's done the plan instead of starting all over again. So we're looking to continue this to September 9th.
>> So moved. >> Second. >> September 9th. September >> at 6:30 p.m. at the police station. >> Right. >> Okay. That that second. All in favor? >> I
All right. 301 Pond Lane. This is a continuence from 7:22. >> Good evening. For the record, I'm Chris Gilbert from Corp Engineering. Uh, as you mentioned, this is a
continued uh project. I'll do a brief overview. Um this is 301 pond lane along pond. Uh there's an existing single family dwelling in a separate system on the lot. We're proposing to demolish the single family dwelling and propose a new
single family dwelling to be tied into the same existing septic system. Uh this does result in an increase in lot coverage. Uh to mitigate this, we propose an infiltration system in front of the house here uh that collects all roof drains and the runoff from the
driveway. Um at that meeting, uh the commission recommended a peer review. Uh Mel engineers and Lance Bayers uh did the peer review. Uh we provided the plan and then they requested uh storm water calculations which uh included two 10
and 100year storm events. uh we received their peer review and then we updated the plan based on the review comments as well as provided updated storm water calculations and a response letter. Uh some of these changes um the
infiltration system we swapped out the chambers for a lower profile chamber. Uh this increased the footprint a little bit but it allowed us to get 2 ft of separation of the groundwater. Um we also added a silk fence to the straw water erosion control. Uh and we
provided a detail for that on page one. Uh we also showed the uh proposed location of construction entrance which will be where the drive the proposed driveway is. Uh detail for that is on sheet one as well. Um we're also proposing the stockpile area on the lawn
across uh Pond Lane. Uh it's owned by the same owner. Uh it's a much flatter lot up there, so it's a more suitable site for stockpile. Um, we're also shown just kind of flagging and staking around the septic system to, you know, uh, make
the contractor aware of its location and help protect it during construction. Uh, we also provided a detail for the laundry drain. Uh, the trench drain the driveway runs into the lawn drain. There's a sump as well as a hood on the outlet. Uh this helps remove uh he heavy
sediment as well as suspended solids prior to the water going to the infiltration system. Uh this was provided to Merryill. Uh they responded with an updated letter. Um >> I I would like to go over the updated letter with um
>> Deb Keller's here and I'd like her to come up and go over this one by one so that we can make sure everything's done before we close it. Sure. That's okay. >> Y >> okay. No, she can come on the other side. >> Okay, >> we can both be there. >> Thank you.
>> This is her um second and final I think peer review. Okay, I just um want to make it very clear when we first started that this is a great improvement from you know that the 39.1%
I had a real problem with that and I think the commission did too with the law coverage. So, we wanted to make sure that all the water was going to be infiltrated and um I think it's pretty close to being there, but I would like Deb to go over it one by one. And you've
seen the conditions that she's advising us to put on. >> Yes, we reviewed those and we're okay with those special conditions. >> So, um I'd like her to >> So, Deb Keller with Mel Engineers and Land Surveyors for the record. Um I'll flip to page two. So I I highlighted uh
re my final comments in blue where I didn't have any other issues. Anything that was in green is uh recommended conditions for the commission to consider. So um starting off looking at the property for storm water. We went
through the state standards starting with standard one which is untreated storm water which they've met um through through their storm water BMPs on the property. Uh the second one was peak peak rate and peak
volumes for for the property and they they had a minor adjustment in the calculations which adjusted um kind of tweaked up the pro um proposed volumes a little bit but they still meet the precondition. So they are retaining and
recharging enough water to uh maintain the existing conditions uh with the proposed work. Again uh in conjunction with that one is standard three which is your groundwater
recharge. So looking at the calculations for groundwater recharge is uh for the impervious surface on the site would calculate out to 177 cubic feet. And they have um now with the adjustment that they just made um they're at 516
cubic feet of storage within their uh subsurface recharge system. So they meet the 177 requirement. >> What was that last figure? >> What did you say it was? 516 cubic feet. >> Are we talking standard three?
>> Standard three. So it was the required groundwater recharge is 177 cubic feet. They have 516 cubic feet of storage in the chamber system. Therefore they have a larger volume than what's required to
meet that standard. >> Yeah. Mine says 62 cubic feet. >> Yeah. So they started with a larger chamber. >> Larger chamber. Okay. >> And so when they reduced it, they lost a little bit of volume. >> Okay. Okay.
>> Uh standard four is your TSS removal. Uh knowing that we're in a sensitive area or an outstanding resource water with the pond, uh we were looking for the 1 in of treatment uh as well as uh water quality. So, I ran the numbers looking
at the water quality volume for the driveway, which is the the impervious surfaces that need treatment, which would be 71 cubic feet. So, again, with their chamber system, since they're using a trench drain and uh a deep sump
puted um yard drain before their subsurface chamber system, they're providing adequate treatment uh for that area and they have adequate storage in the chamber system. again to to meet that standard >> and this information started a question in my mind.
>> Sure. >> Storm water discharges should be based off 1% or one inch of runoff over the total previous area. Roof runoff can be considered clean runoff assuming that a
metal roof is not proposed. >> That is correct. >> Why is that? It's um they're it's like acid rain. They're the rain kind of can filter leech the metal. >> I see a metal roof is cleaner than the other. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, I guess I'm wrong.
>> So, so a lot of times through DP they'll allow you if you coat the the sheet metal, paint it with not just standard paint, but they have um certain paints that seal the metal, >> like a rubberized paint, I think.
>> Yeah. I to be honest, I don't recall the the type of paint, but I know you can. >> It has a It has a special silicone treatment in it so that it'll pretend it will prevent acid rain from leeching the six metals. >> So, I'm not too old to learn. >> You are not
>> unexp. >> Okay. So, so then looking at TSS removal calcs here, um, they need to meet the 80 80% or that's what we were looking for. >> Um, I estimated if you follow through the treatment train that they would
achieve 85%. So, they meet the 80. Again, um, this is not uh not applicable to standard five, which is your higher pollutant uh, potential pollutant loads. Sorry. Uh standard six is your
protection and critical area. I would consider this a critical area because you're discharging to an outstanding resource water. So again looking for the higher treatment which is the one one inch rule which we uh discussed and meet and was that's why we were looking for
uh the twoft of separation to groundwater to make sure that we have that treatment uh flowing down to towards the groundwater. So um after the changes were made I believe that standard is met. I would not consider
this a redevelopment. So uh standard 7 does not apply. Standard 8 is where we get into some of the recommended uh conditions as I did ask for additional erosion control and usually an operation and
maintenance plan is provided for construction phase as well as post construction so the homeowner is aware of the BMPs and the maintenance required to maintain those so that you're continuing to get that treatment uh through the
So what I did here was try to add some comments uh with respect to the stabilized entrance and stockpiles indicating they needed to be maintained and to prevent tracking onto uh Pond
Lane and that any sediment spilled, tracked or washed onto Pond Lane need to be uh removed. Standard construction practice. Uh any damage to pond lane has to be repaired. Again, typical standard practice.
Inspection of the construction entrance. Um requiring periodic top dressing as needed. That may may include additional stone or if it gets too muddy, they may have to take the stone out and replace it depending on how long um construction
takes and weather conditions, of course. Um so noting that the contractors are prohibited from hosing down or uh sweeping tracked out sediment into the storm water conveyance meaning
discharging offsite. It's down gradient. Uh so the flow would go into the pond. So, we want to avoid that as well as into the closed drainage system, which would be your trench drain in the driveway, the area drain in the yard, so that we don't contaminate the subsurface
chamber system. So, until the site stabilized, those erosion control measures should stay in place. Again, uh material stockpiling, I know it's a very tight site. uh just making sure that we don't have huge huge stock
piles and uh m um so that the piles themselves don't exceed a 2:1 slope so that they're not these huge piles. Again, erosion control is are is shown that around the stock piles across the street. So, I think that's a a a good
idea. Helps them um maintain the area for construction and and doesn't push it close to the pond. So again, as I stated before, inlet protection should be installed immediately. Uh it could be installed at the same time that the
trench and yard drains so that we eliminate any potential for uh sediment to be discharged into the subsurface chamber system. >> And congratulations for spelling waddle the correct way.
>> Yep. Um I am I have to be honest. I am not a uh strong proponent of the straw waddle. Um I've seen a lot of sites um unsuccessful with them. I do understand it's just my opinion. So >> too light
>> too light too light and with fine sediments it goes right through. >> So um I the applicant had expressed a concern with a compost sock. Um just it's tight site trying to get that back off the site. it's not, you know,
through the woods and you can't really clear it off. So, that's um a reasonable concern. So, um Chris and I discussed doing a combination silt fence straw waddle so that we get some filtration uh so the
fence would be behind the straw waddle and your flow would come through the straw waddle, hit the uh silt fence before uh filtering through. So, thought that was a reasonable solution. Um and then another condition would be
that the erosion control barriers are maintained during construction. Um also just speaking about inspections on a weekly basis and after storm events and if there's any tears or rips or repairs needed. um they're addressed immediately
and any accumulation of sediment is removed after 1/3 height of the straw waddle and disposed of appropriately. Um and then um again not knowing exactly when the site
work will be done, dust control might be something to think about um during construction, you know, having just making sure that's um addressed. So we did have uh ask for notes to protect the septic system during
construction. I'd hate to have that get crushed. So um which they addressed the combination erosion control as well and then noted that the erosion controls should only be removed when the landscape is at least 75% stabilized so
that we minimize the erosion um any potential for erosion into the uh closed drainage system. Standard nine is the long-term operation and maintenance plan. So, I was looking for a document that could be provided to
the homeowner so that they know what BMPs are on the property and how to maintain them. Um, it was requested that that uh be a condition of approval. So I identified that the long-term operation
and maintenance plan should include inspection and maintenance of the storm water infiltration system including the trench drain, yard drain, subsurface infiltration system as well as um I was looking since we are in a sensitive area it you know it is up to the board but I
would also recommend that you consider addressing landscaping maintenance limited uh fertilizer and pesticide use hazardous waste storage and disposal and pet waste management just so that the homeowner is aware and cognizant of how
their proximity to the pond and how they would look want to look forward to um protecting that resource. Also, standard 10, it asks for elicit discharge. Again, this is more to make sure that the homeowner is aware that
they can't discharge uh illicit discharges towards the pond or into the storm water facilities. So, looking for a signed statement from them. Um again, it was requested that that be a condition of approval.
Um so on and then under the site plans um there is a note stating that the bottom of hole inspection uh will be uh re reviewed by a certified soil evaluator to confirm that the soils are suitable and to uh also confirm the
estimated seasonal high groundwater as a test pit was not done specifically in that location but we do have groundwater information for the site seems reasonable. So this is a way of moving forward and making uh and just confirming that as well and not slowing
the project down. So that information should be uh completed prior to construction as well as provided to the commission just to for confirmation. And if other information or the soil conditions don't match what was
designed, it should it it it any modification should either be notified to the agent or to the board. Uh my last two comments were addressed which were um noted uh details added to
the plan. Um and again uh looking for that two foot of separation which they did achieve with the the the smaller chamber and that that covers it. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. Anybody else? >> Anybody have any other comments or questions? I think we've covered everything. >> Agreeable. Everyone agreeable? think you've done everything that's been asked. >> Yes. >> I think we're good.
So, um I'd look for a motion to close the hearing. >> So, move. >> Second. All in favor? >> I. And I look for a motion to do all of our standard conditions that we do for construction and include all
of um Deb's report as all the conditions that are in here too. You said you're okay. >> Five lighted conditions. >> Yeah. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? I I >> thank you so much.
So it work on both sides. Good luck. >> Thank you. >> This is a really good thing for protection of the lawn. >> Oh yes. >> Um, >> when is your >> CBA? >> Next Thursday.
>> Next Thursday. All right. Amato. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Good luck. >> Good luck. >> Okay. So, Mark, will you make a note of that please to ask Lori to send um the zoning board like right away? Would he say next
Thursday is they meeting? Thursday to send them letter that says they have satisfactorily made it through consultation >> which might be this it might be this Thursday not a week and a half. So >> we might she could just send um Kathy a
quick Well, you have to do it anyway. You have to answer Kathy before the next meeting on all that stuff. So why don't you just do do all of them. >> All right. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'm working on it. You don't have that. Thank you. Okay.
I feel really good about that one. Thank you very much, Deb. You're welcome. >> That was really I mean, we've took a huge step in protecting the pond from when they first came to the CVA with a 39.1% coverage till now. That's a huge
wonderful thing. So, we thank you. Okay. Uh, last but not least, 160 Bedford Street. >> So, this is the >> 160 Edit Street has requested a continuence. So, I said, which I really don't have
the right to say. I will um, you know, we'll do that, but we're going to talk about it. Uh, it's really up to the board whether we're going to do that or not. But, um, >> did they submit it in writing by the Thursday before the >> No,
>> no, we got it yesterday. >> Well, actually, last Thursday when we talked to them, they said we would have something by Monday. Are you staying to hear that, too? >> I'm happy to listen. I'd like to keep up. >> Okay, good. >> That's okay.
>> Okay. Yeah. No, okay, please. Um, so Monday came and went and when uh Lori and Mark and I got together this morning, I said, "Did what did we get from, you know, Prime for 160 Bedford Street?" And we got uh husband asked for
a continuence. So I called up and left a message for their, you know, engineer and talked to the secretary and said this is just not acceptable because they've had information since July on the third peer review from Deb Galla and
um they're supposed to be um doing some soil testing about groundwater separation and I had pulled all the groundwater parts out of the testing that they were supposed to be doing and uh it's just in her number three report.
It's everywhere here, you know, soil testing, soil testing and they have they need to do that. They need to do that. Um they've had plenty of time to get started. Um the engineer did not call me
back. Um actually the secretary said she was going to get him to call me back on his way from this meeting, but he did not. This has been dragging on forever. We need to take um as far as I know, Mark, you've been there. The neighbors have called a couple of times about work going on there. You've been there. I
think they're parking more vehicles there. Um but you've been there a couple of times >> in response to comments or calls that um that there was work or something activity going on. And to be honest, I there's I can you can see a couple
things. There was uh paving equipment that was on the north side of the lot that's now on the I think this is the south side. It's closest here. So, they moved that but I the pile there's a couple piles of gravel that are still there that
>> they've been told explicitly not to be spreading out that gravel. >> Yeah. So, but I I haven't really I mean I don't really see any work going on >> about more vehicles. Um, you know, there's one little storage shed that's
uh close to Wheel Lane that I don't think was there the last the previous >> Win sorry Winne >> um uh there could be one or two. It's hard to
say. They they're they've they're shuffling a little bit. There's a there's a dumpster that's uh abuts the uh >> the same dumpster that's right there next to the little wetland area. >> Yeah. And it looks like that could have been pulled
moved a little bit. It hard. It's hard to you know there's a lot of clutter. There's a lot of for lack of a better word. But I don't see any active paving. I don't see. But again, and I and I've tried to get
out, you know, we've responded when we've gotten a call from neighbors that there's stuff going on. I just so going directly there after the call, you know, I don't I haven't found anybody doing any work. I haven't, you know, so to
answer your question. >> Yeah. But there's been a lot of comments about vehicles coming and going. I don't know if there's more vehicles parking there, but I just have to say I think we're at a place where we have to make some kind of a decision about what's going to happen there. We we need
>> to either send them uh something that says we need the oils testing. They need to start doing something, not just pushing it out and pushing it out and pushing it out. And um they're just not Didn't we talk about
this before that we can just deny their application because they're refusing to comply with the requirements of the commission? >> Well, um >> at this at this point, we're over a year in and >> I mean, I'm seeing a lot of things that they haven't done.
>> They they continue to ask for things and give them exception after exception after exception. And they either >> this went out two months ago. >> They either give us an excuse or they don't respond. They just give us absolutely nothing. So at what point are they just taking advantage of us and the
fact that we have no teeth. So let's we just deny them. They have they have a cease and desist order, don't they? A work stoppage for >> they had an enforcement order, but I think that we closed that when they started doing all that. They did those
all those file for the I think we required the NOI >> for the NOI right >> when they apply for the NOI >> but Mark has revoked the yeah Mark has a great thing to that is they've changed his NOI so many times around already that it's like
>> but I back to my original >> we're over a year in and we've still gotten absolutely nowhere on this except more frustrated is they either fail to comply or they just drag it out.
>> And we've gotten updated plans and things. It's it's hard to track >> what's going on on the side. >> We're wasting people's time and now money um because citizens and abutters are just, you know, spending time and their own private money getting
>> so moved in on this and it's not fair, >> right? But here's a thought. If we deny it, >> it's over again, >> right? But then they just go, "Who's going to say that? They're not going to start all over again." Slow. I mean, we can't we can give them another
enforcement order that says you need an NOI. But now that I'm thinking about it, D is probably not going to do a superseding order unless they appeal. And why would they appeal when they can just not do anything? >> Oh, if they don't do
>> Is that true? Do you do you agree with that? >> Can you just come back up to the M? Thank you. Um, I think I'm following your thought process in the sense that you're trying to get them to do something and if you deny them, they go
to the only way that goes to D is if they appeal it. You're not going to appeal your own denial. >> So, if they don't appeal it, then >> now again, you'd have to file another enforcement order to have them >> start all over again. So, yeah,
>> it kind of stinks. We're sort of in that damned if we do, damned if we don't situation, >> but we want to feel like we're taking action on behalf of everybody who feels like nobody's taking action >> and we're frustrated because this is
>> this is unacceptable. So, how about like we send them some we'll vote to send them some kind of a warning. >> You have one more meeting. You have one more meeting to respond or we are going to call D in to help us fix this.
>> We can call D. >> Why don't we just call D now and ask them to come >> and we have and they >> and fix it >> and maybe look at the parked vehicles if there uh any hazardous waste on site or something like that. >> We did last year and they didn't do anything. But maybe they'll take a
second look. >> They've been called on to this site a couple times >> and they haven't done it. They didn't they did come look um because dad said he had had them look at the site. Um do you remember?
>> I never heard I went down myself and they I haven't heard >> um >> but this is a >> Wait a minute. If you you have that you got to come up to that >> All right. All right. >> That was my apologies.
>> Okay. you're without without his I only have so much of his brain in my brain. Um you're the only other person that might have known. I know that dad did >> did talk to D on a couple occasion on a couple occasions about this site. >> So if we deny it, they can't do
anything. >> They they could go to >> Sure, they can. They they have not. They could just start doing business as usual over there again. >> They start the whole thing over again. Well, we'd have to f if we denied it, we'd have to follow immediately up with another enforcement order, but then it
just starts the whole process all over again. >> Enforcement order when they finally >> You can't talk unless you're at the microphone. I'm sorry. I'm the one that gets in trouble and you can't right and you got to wait your turn also until we're done talking to Deb. Um, do you
have any >> Well, my question would be is is I know in some other towns when they do an enforcement order, they can find >> We don't have a bylaw. We don't. Yes, >> we're working on that. >> The selectman already tried that and we don't have it in our
>> The selectman also don't have the ability to. So, >> so was the the angle that anything that's coming off of that site is potentially impacting outstanding resource waters,
>> but nothing's nothing's coming off the site >> uh that >> that we can prove >> it's impacting wetlands that are on the site and on the neighboring site. >> Well, and again, it's the pond. There's the pond that you know >> that's technically offsite.
>> It's offsite. The pond is but the little it's a it's connected. But I'm just trying to think of you know I I think the the you know several real red flags but one is if there's any contamination it's it's drinking water, right? I
>> no I outstanding resource water if it's recharging or it's it's you got you got >> there's no continuous into the drinking water. Our whole town has outstanding resource water. >> Got infiltration. Okay. It It's a tough one to It's a tough one to pro It's a tough one to prove. It would be tough to
prove, but I I I don't think it's a it's a I don't think it's a, you know, crazy stretch to I mean, if you walk up again on some of those trailers, you can smell aromatic hydro. You can smell volatile chemicals from,
you know, 20 feet, 30 feet away. I could I don't know. But >> so then number one, maybe we should call D again to come um and try and see if they'll come. >> Yeah. I >> is there special uh >> can't D meet one of us out here on on
that property? Set up an appointment to meet with us? >> I >> um cuz they have they have the privilege, right, to find >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. >> So why don't we set something up like that? >> And but it wouldn't be with your regular wetlands people. would be with the that
other section of D where >> hazardous >> I don't can't think of the exact hazardous waste emergency call unit right it's got the different number >> let's ask Lori if she has a record of calls we might have made in relation to this
property because she might have >> Why don't we give them a warning they have >> one month >> a month to get us >> no two weeks >> two weeks >> two weeks yeah till the August August 26 >> to answer this >> and get fully in compliance.
>> And if they don't at that point in the meantime, we can contact D and see what our other options are. And we need to be ready to >> So we should say that in the letter. >> Yeah, >> they need to be here for the meeting with answers. And in the meantime, we're contacting DEP for assistance. Let's
just say that. >> Yep. >> There will be no further continuences, >> right? >> Well, no, I would say that. Yeah, >> no further continues >> because we don't have to accept their continuences. Especially >> you point out that D does have finding
capability and it's a chronically underfunded group. >> So they need the money. >> They can use it >> and no more continuences. >> Can I just ask a question? >> Okay, hold on one sec.
>> We all done? I'm just curious of like we have no idea. You were talking about stuff being moved. Now I have six trailers backed up against my driveway when those things were put in there. The piles of the asphalt. >> Six trailers with no attached.
>> There were no trailers there. >> Right now is it six trailers with no engine attached? >> Correct. They're trailers, but we don't know what's inside them. And we're talking about groundwater. Right. And it sounds like they're over where they want their detention pond to go. >> Yeah. Backed up to your driveway to
them. And that's >> that's also the buffer zone from >> filled in all the the wetlands. >> So that's why and that's small wetland. So So backs up to the property. It's where now those are parked where that new detention basin is supposed to go.
>> Correct. You have a small little wetland that they've sort of protected, but they're tying into that and there's a stream channel that goes underneath when >> and it's cracked. The driveway is cracked. >> Yeah. So, so it is hydraulically connected to resources on the other side of the road that at least that wetland
resource area. So, >> and and and Brad Holmes there is a pipe. I mean, when we were out there, >> I had to put a pipe in when I put the driveway in. >> Okay. Well, and it may be the same, but Brad, there was one that was it's buried. I don't know if it's >> it's not functioning ideally, but unless
it's just completely silted in. There is a connection to the wetland. >> Yeah, but I have one too. I had to part of my approval was to put a to let that water run. Do you know that water ran further into their property and there
used to be kind of like a a gully over there where and that's all gone. So, what's kind of happened is they're operating whatever you want to call that. I'm not sure if it's a junkyard or whatever it may be, but that we're
trying to get permission to have a parking lot, but they're already operating a parking lot >> of junk. So, how do you allow someone to operate that? >> Right. That's that's not us. That >> I know, but does that bring someone from the town in? >> Let's just hold for one minute and hear
your idea. I would propose that while we still have uh they still have open business with commission, we have signed authority to be on their property that we tell them that in the interim we will be on site
to do a photo inspection every day and we're going to go and we're going to walk the property and take pictures and assess for changes every day. And it doesn't have to be the same person, but each of us on the commission has permission to be on site. And the
only way to know exactly what's changing, if it's five, if it's six, if it's in a different position, if there's spillage, is to have somebody on site every day because they're not going to do work during the day, Mark. They haven't they haven't been. And this is the only way to firmly show them that we
mean business and they can't get away with it. And so even if we don't do it, if we miss a day, if they think that we're really gonna do it, um, and if we do have pictures on a regular interval for the next, >> but they definitely have people coming over into that back.
>> Oh, I'm I'm sure I' I've >> seen them. If you need me to take pictures, I can do that, too. But, um, >> you need to stay off their property. >> No, I can't. Well, just for my family. Um, but I think that >> you remember you had called her finish, please. I just think that that's a step
that we can and should take to document on on our behalf because that's going to be something D is going to ask is what have you done to how do we know there's actually something going on that's you know not above board. So, so the trailers I think you're
referring to there was that was that spot and I my memory is that there were some trailers there already, but they had the what? Look, it's the paving equipment. Was it in I think in that same spot. It's on the north side.
>> Yeah, but they're moving stuff in and out. >> Yeah, I Yeah, it's it's a it's >> I don't know if it's a shuffle or if it's coming new stuff coming in. a warning. It's going to be a warning and it's going to be that >> worded. >> There will be no more continue. We want
that to the peer review by the 26th, which is our next meeting. And that um in writing and appear in person. In person and appear um and
in writing. Uh in the meantime, we're going to ask D for assistance. There'll be no more continuences and we will be on site taking photos daily >> unless D has drones we can use.
>> I was just thinking that where can I get a drone? >> That'd be nice. >> I mean, I told you with Rocky Woods that we needed a drone. >> Yeah, we should have used a drone. >> So, do I have a motion to send a
warning? Second with all the things outlined here. >> Okay. Do I have a >> second? Seconded. >> All in favor? >> I keep trying. >> Yeah, just
>> Oh, I think it's time. >> Well, >> you know, I I was expecting them to come tonight and >> hash out next. What's next? One, two, three. And >> how many continuences have been granted? >> Well, too many. That's why I said there won't be any more. But we need to be
careful to make >> we need to be careful to make sure he's involved cuz if we just deny them, they can go away and then we'll have to do an enforcement order and the whole thing will start all over again. >> But do you still have the cease and desist? >> No, we we >> I thought when the piles went up, you
issued another one and you never took >> the enforcement order and the cease and desist when they the answer to that was they needed to file an NOI. So once they filed a notice of intent with what they were going to do to rectify the situation, those things I could do
another one, but I think this warning letter is going to be the next step we're going to take right now. >> But but you as a board, don't you have a concern of what's in there and what could leak into though that no one knows about that they don't have permission to? >> That's why we're going to call the EP. >> Do you know what I mean? Like I don't
know. I don't >> Well, we've already called the EP from the sound of it before when Bob was here because this has been going on for a while. So, I think it's time that we make another appeal to D >> to go and see what is if anything's leaking. There's some old vehicles lined
up along the side, too. So, they're supposed to be rectifying it. They're not. So, >> I drove here tonight, Nancy. I saw two um from 18 behind on the right. They look like new truck, like new older trucks with wheels on them, but they're
backed up towards that other pond. And they're new. I didn't see those, but I didn't notice those before. >> But then again, I'm not checks and documentation. >> What's there? >> Are you allowed to open them? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Absolutely not.
>> The board of health. >> Is he allowed to open them? >> I don't know that. I don't think so either. >> It's a D question. So >> without agency, they're not allowed to be open without a warrant. >> Would it help if I went to D or No,
>> you can, but I think that it probably be um that we're going to contact them and say it's urgent that they come and investigate. >> Feel free to give them my information because I've I mean I've been there for 25 years.
Okay, so we've made a decision what we're going to do. I think we need to move on. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Okay, so I don't know about these. >> Thank you for coming.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh >> meeting minutes. Joe, >> I make a motion that we accept the town of Lakeville Conservation Commission meeting minutes for May 27th, 2025 as presented. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I >> um bylaw discussion. Um, we have a fall town meeting coming up and I talked to Brandon Fanu about his
rights bylaws and he I would like to see if the commission would like to put on a very small wetland bylaw. We've tried so many times in the past to put on I feel to put on a wet
and bylaw but I think it needs to be really small and if it needs to start out just being a 25 foot no touch that I don't I would like to put it before the people of Lakeville to vote on it and then it will be either yes or no and it
will be over with for whatever go with the people's decision. >> How how many how many times is this now? Well, we've always used the model bylaw which is like 20 pages long for people and it goes on forever. I mean, we had
tried another thing and it's >> we had talked some time ago about a bylaw that ratifies the >> that >> wetland >> protection >> protection act >> to give us >> Yes, that was Nate's suggestion. >> So, could we do that also? >> Also, yes.
>> Okay. >> Because I think >> ratify the protection act which is just >> Exactly. It's already there on the book. So, whatever. And our own Lake Phil well and bywall would just be 25 no touch on on new construction. But I think we
either need to do a subcommittee to work with Brandon or we need to bring him into our meeting to talk about it because I think that we all need to have input into how it's worded, what it says. And Brandon also says there needs to be an out. There needs to be a
variance that we would do as a board and there would have to be a majority of the board accepted that it was a special, >> you know, what do you call it when it, you know, >> had >> hardship. >> Yep. >> Special circumstances. >> Yeah. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. >> Um, the warrant opens on the 19th and I think it's going to September 12th. So, we're not going to have anything that quick, but I can put a place marker on I do think we need to ratify though. I don't think we should
do just the 25 foot because we'd be selling ourselves short. There's been so much talk. >> Nate's been saying that for a long time. We really do need to ratify and then he can use that to cuz right now he has to do permits whether they come to us or not sometimes because we never ratified
as a town that we accept the well and protection act and I think we've got people to back us on >> having >> Yeah, I do too. >> We really need 100 votes. Yeah. >> So,
or we need 2/3 of 100 people. So, we need 67 people to vote for it because of the whole Rocky Woods thing and everything. I think there's a lot of people that realize and before it's too late, well, kind of horses out of the
barn a little bit, but before it's too late, we need to be doing a little more to protect our resource areas because we're because we're so resource area rich in Lakeville. Yeah, >> it's a beautiful place and everybody has
discovered Lakeville and it's just going to continue to to expand. >> All right. So, can I have a motion to that, please? >> Which isn't necessarily that >> second. All in favor? I >> I
>> I can still use my pool though, right? >> Uhhuh. My pool's 5 ft off the water. No, probably. >> It's existing. >> Okay. And I did I think it was in the packet too that one more time I did we're going to go to town meeting that
this science thing that I did back in 2015 about all the reasons why it's important that can >> stay that little ways away. >> So looking at the act >> I think it's 10 1024 and D actually
pointed this out to me. I mean the it's it deals with but protection of the buffer zone and regulation of activities and it it it points out kind of this sign basis for it that the closer you know the function of the buffer zone and
not always but generally the closer you get to the resource the less buffer you have the more >> I'm pretty sure that middle has a 50 foot that's another thing that we should do in our research see how many towns other towns have it too as part of our,
you know, whatever. But I think Middle Pros is 50. >> I'll reach out to Josh and ask him. >> Okay, that's good. >> Yeah, >> because where has one >> Yeah, they have a they have a big >> Well, they're on the ocean and stuff, too.
>> He shared theirs before. So, >> right. >> Why don't I reach out to him? >> Well, he wanted to do a big whatever. I just don't think I think if we >> pass the first time. >> Yeah. But we if we pass one, it'll be easier to amend and add to it, >> right? >> Yep. Once you have one, you can just add
little pieces on to it as we go along. So, um new business, new business. Um and this is this is just um as as everybody uh knows, we recently lost
daddy. uh Bob Buchard for anybody watching at home who was the agent for however many years and was on the conservation commission for 35 plus years. Correct. Yeah, that was the
accounting. Um and so we've been receiving um a nice number of letters and um some donations. He had two places that he had requested donations go. One was to Lakeville Conservation Commission and one was to Boston College. um to his
beloved alma mater and um the office has been keeping the letters and a track of the donations that have been coming in and this letter was written to the commissioners and so I wanted to bring it and read it. Um it says, "Dear commissioners, please accept this
donation in memory of our dear friend Bob Buchard. We know he treasured his time working on the commission to make Lakeville a better place for all. He is a great boss to your town and in our lives. We hope your good work will continue in his memory.
Thank you sincerely, Jim and Peggy Lucia. Those are Jim is one of his classmates from Boston College. They just celebrated their 55th year reunion and they are all still very close. Um
they have uh collected um just shy of $600 now. >> Wow. Daddy did not have any ear marks for it. He just wanted it to go to conservation and said he would know how we should spend it when the time came.
>> So maybe we should buy a drone, >> right? >> A drone. Yes, a good idea. >> It came up in Rocky Woods. It came up um >> it's not a bad idea. Who's going to run it? And and while we're talking about
money being donated to Lakeville, uh we still have the 2000 Diana Slogan, my second dead wife. >> She set up the code. >> Nice way to put it. >> 2000. Well, I I crack people up. No, that's my first dead wife. I'm not being
confused with my second dead wife. Okay. And as far as I know, that's still sitting there. And that's got about $2,400. >> And that's earmarked for books, right? It's earmarked for educational materials >> to be used by the library, right? >> But it could be a consideration where we
get something that could also benefit the town in a number of >> of course >> of ways. So, I would kind of think the drone should be on I thought that should have been on the engineer to prove where the it absolutely should have, but it could have saved us some
>> I mean the whole town could use that. The fire department, the police department, I mean, that's a use, you know, not everyone needs at the same time. >> A thousand%. the police department has has access to it through um through their mutual aid partnerships with other
PDs, but they've got to call for it um and hope that one of the other semic agencies isn't using it at the same time. >> How much is it? How much is it? >> Depends on how nice of one you get, but less than the money that we have now. >> And they're not expensive. It's just
operating it >> live. Yeah, you could stream live. You can stream it and you can download it. You can take still photos or videos. >> The time the >> I'm not proposing that right now. Um but it's it's just >> we just talking. >> It's a thought that came up during
during the meeting. This was I was >> trying to think of what your father would think of that. >> A lot safer having that go over than you know walk on people's property too >> in some cases. >> A little bit of elevation gives you so much better sight line. Well, and imagine if we couldn't get out to one of
the one of the islands. Yeah. >> Because they've got the distance to get out um because you know >> people have fallen on some of the site visits. >> There there's a police officer >> in a Kushnet that operates drones and
he's he's >> for law enforcement as well as conservation. We were trying to use it. got an opinion whether or not it violated, you know, um, >> property rights. >> Yeah. >> Unreasonable search, but so you would want to have that.
>> Well, we they we make people sign on their property >> every single thing like shut the recording off, the camera off until you're in the the proper location, which is what an appropriate >> I have a guy who does >> he does infrared rubber roofs and stuff
for me. Um he he has a FA license to fly. >> Yep. >> So go right over home. >> Another a number of surveyors do um and engineers cuz with huge like St. Mary's um Chapel and Ton, they had to send up drones
>> to assess the the roof um the roof safety >> because they weren't going to go up there. They knew it was structurally unsound potentially. So they just spun up a couple drones, but >> things to things to think about.
>> So we did anyway. >> Did we close the deal? >> No motion to just about >> motion to adjourn. Do I have a second? Second. >> I second that. >> Oh, it was my motion. >> Motion. I second. >> All right. All in favor? I got 14.