Good evening and welcome to the March 12th Park Lakeville Parks Commission meeting. Lake Cam will be recording this meeting. Is there anybody else recording? Hearing none, we'll move on. Our first item on the agenda tonight is a meeting with Thornike Development. So, we'd like
to welcome them and have them introduce themselves. Good evening, guys. Thanks for coming. >> Thanks for having us. >> No problem. >> My name is Michael Devon. I'm the uh director of community relations for Thornike Development. I'm joined here tonight with Lloyd Gisinger, founder and president of Thornike Development, as
well as Cal Harvey. He's a project manager for Thornike. Uh Cal will also be hitting sort of the campaign trail with me uh as we do all of our outreach which has already started but will certainly ramp up as we get closer to town meeting. Um thanks for your time tonight. Um for us this is a very
important uh group to talk to. Uh we see a ton of synergy between our community and what what you all do uh as the parks commission. Um we are uh here today to talk about the Lakeville Country Club and our proposal
for the town uh to develop uh the Lakeville Country Club. Uh over the course of the evening, we'll go over the project uh utilities, the demographics in town, uh the right sizing of homes, building smart, and ultimately be a value ad for Lakeville. Uh and that's
that's really my favorite part and why we're here. uh cuz we think that we should be a partner with the town in terms of uh bringing what's best for the town to the town. Uh quick orientation. Uh some of you may have seen this, so I'll go relatively
quickly uh through these slides. Uh Lakeville Country Club for us is in a great location. Access to 495, uh 2479, all the all the uh great roads uh in this area. Uh we are developing in Rainim uh right next door uh as well. So
we're very familiar with the area. Uh the project site as you narrow it down sandwiched in between 1051 18 and 79 along Clear Pond Road right across from the Clare Pond Park. Uh today is the Lakeville Country Club uh 18 18hole golf
course as depicted here uh on the slide. Uh our plan is to uh take the country club that exists today and improve the uh course uh into a nine-hole golf course. Taking the the grade of the
course up uh significantly with a professional management company uh that will that will improve the holes and and make it a a very sophisticated golf facility. Uh in addition, we would then uh develop uh the remaining parcel into
uh a variety of building types uh as well as amenities which I'll go through later. Uh but as an orientation, it would be about it would be 418 units combined across nine uh buildings, multif family buildings as well as uh duplex homes. Uh the multif family
buildings after feedback that we received, we originally had proposed a taller building are limited to a three uh floor uh structure, three-story structure as well as uh additional units uh on some of the buildings uh where where it just be at the bottom with um
uh walkouts on the back or excuse me, I got that wrong. the the units that have the >> there's one building that's basically the equivalent of a single family home that has a lower level walk out just because the grades drop. >> It's on the back though.
>> Um so the uh Lakefield Country Club senior condo buildings that we're proposing are very very similar uh if not identical to the uh buildings that we're building currently in Halifax. Uh we have a community known as Featherwinds which I'd encourage every
one of you to see. Um this is a 3D model of those buildings in Halifax. Uh as you can see uh the buildings are tied uh together uh to create a community via the streetscape. This is a view from the
pool house um overlooking the central green. You can see that we take a a good attention to detail in terms of our landscaping because we don't want just a box sitting in the middle of of uh grass. We wanted to be a part of a community, make you feel like you're in
a neighborhood where you get to walk around, enjoy the central green, walk to the pool house, develop relationships with your neighbors, uh so that you're outside getting recreation. Uh we we make sure that there are paths and landscaping that connect everything in
the community back to the buildings and the homes. Uh we have people sitting on uh porches and and balconies in the larger buildings so that they're connected, places for people to sit and enjoy uh each other and their neighbors. Uh as well as just breaking down the the
different styles of our duplex homes. So you can just see sort of how uh the look and feel of this community will be. The uh 9-hole golf course uh will significantly improve it. We'll make it a better course. uh we'll we'll put it
on the perimeter of of the uh residences uh and maximize the greens and the spaces that are already there uh to to allow for uh the Lakeville Country Club members that are already uh golfing every day and and the broader public to
come and and have a world-class facility. Uh the the co course will both be nine holes as well as have a driving range and a practice facility, a pro shop which will be uh with the senior center uh as well.
Uh these are just some uh slides of of how we see this uh course just becoming more vibrant uh with better landscaping, better pathways for walking uh so that uh you all can be proud of of the course that's in your town. Uh and obviously
with the parks commission, it makes sense uh for us to to really drive into things that that will get people out to uh participate in recreation uh with the driving range as I said uh putting green as well. We also contemplate uh having a
golf clubhouse as well as a restaurant. Uh the restaurant if you see here uh with that blue if you go back to this slide uh we we would definitely want to make sure that the restaurant over here overlooks the waterways. Uh so it'd be a
really great place for our residents that are living in this community to be able to co-mingle and work together uh with each other uh as well as uh the broader public to come in and and and enjoy the beautiful views that uh the restaurant would offer. Um Lloyd tells
uh stories multiple times about how various communities that he's had, I believe uh Redm Mill Village in Norton was one where a restaurant uh was built on on the property and it's now become sort of a community meeting place uh for seniors and the public alike uh to to
enjoy uh each other and and it really brings a sense of community to um the the community that we're building. Lakeville's population age uh is is increasing uh which which makes a senior
community uh very attractive uh for us as developers, but it also puts uh the town in a position where they have to start thinking about what are they going to do with their residents uh as they age. Do they want to leave lose them to another town or do they want to create
places uh for them to grow and and have a multi multigenerational feel? The fact that the folks that are of older age don't have a place to go to downsize is putting sort of a squeeze on uh Lakeville young families, people that
want to come in and buy in Lakeville. they don't they just don't have the homes to buy. By building the community that we are proposing, that will then free up spaces for these young families to come in, which will then regenerate more people to participate in your parks, more people to participate in
your sports leagues and and all the rest. Um and that goes handinhand with uh this slide which shows that over the course of uh time we've seen a trend in the real estate industry in Massachusetts where u back in the 70s you know for
instance myself I have a 1950s cape very small uh home that was built in the ' 50s '7s and then today the size of the homes have increased tremendously well what does that do to a senior that makes it very difficult to maintain it makes it uh more costly. Uh these homes aren't
as energy efficient as the homes that we built. So what we're uh suggesting that we build will downsize the homes in a natural uh way for these for the senior uh residents that would eventually live in our community.
So how does how does that connect to you all? Um, so when I was just thinking about how I wanted to present tonight, I went to the uh parks commission website and this vision that you all have uh you have your mission and vision on the website. The commission sustains the Ted Williams camp and the dynamic park
system throughout the town. We welcome and provide innovative programs for evolving community and our commitment inspires recreation which promotes health and enjoyment as we reach into the future. That's exactly the message we're saying. That's what we want. We we
we 100% think that this is something that works directly with your mission, directly with your vision of getting people out, getting people out to do uh things that are healthy and recreational in the outdoors, the beautiful reservoir that will be on the site both for the
restaurant, the senior center and pro shop, the community at large, and also the public. You know, this isn't going to be a community that's gated. The public's going to be coming in. you're going to be enjoying these facilities and you're going to be able to enjoy that. But in addition to that, part of
our programming and things that we're working on with the select board in terms of the master development agreement involves mitigation payments. Uh ideas that the town wants to bring to us and what we want to bring to the town have to connect in order for us to agree
in that master development agreement. And we see you all as a great entity to partner with because we have the recreational notion behind our community. We have uh the vision that one and one one and the same with us. Uh
we can work together to make the T Williams facilities better or any of the other parks such as Clear Pond Park which is across the street. We think that uh a senior community tied to the downsizing and and getting younger
families into the homes of the seniors in Lakeville and the seniors into our community creates not just a senior community at the Lakeville Country Club, but a multigenerational community in Lakeville. And so the multi-gener
multi-generational aspect of developments that we like to develop comes through you all because the parks are set up for the youth. The parks are set up for the sports leagues. And so for us, we don't like to just create a senior community. We like to
connect to the town and build off of what you all are doing day in and day out. And so that's that's what we're trying to advocate for in our negotiations with the town that certain funds that we bring in on our mitigation payment go to you guys because one to be
transparent. You guys have a network of people that a senior community doesn't exactly connect with. Uh but it also does connect with them if the funds that are coming from that community go into your pockets to improve your parks, to improve your sports leagues and all the
rest. And that takes us to the end. I I said it'd be pretty quick because I wanted time for questions and feedback. You know, we're going to be negotiating with the town manager or town administrator and the select board members that have been elected for the
task force to negotiate the master development agreement. and we want to know what you guys want so that when we sit down and talk to these people, we can say, you know, we heard from Melissa and Melissa said that the parks commission wants X and Y and we want our funds to go to that.
And you may not have the answers tonight, but we definitely would want to hear from you. >> Thank you very much for your presentation. Does anybody have any questions >> through the chair? Go ahead. Um the pool about that pool.
We I have a shortage of swimming pools in Lakeville. And what I've been doing up to now is paying for a membership at the athletic club, which is which is fairly sizable.
Um and it's it's not really satisfactory the last few years. Would it be possible for someone to have a membership, a paid membership to be able to swim in that pool? And boy, correct me if I'm wrong, but as
of now, that wouldn't be contemplated. That's not something that we traditionally would do in terms of uh the amenities package. Those those amenities are typically tied to the community. Having said that, the community will eventually be comprised of homeowners that dictate the rules, regulations of their community, and they
could eventually make that decision. So, it would have to be negotiated through the HOA. Is that what is that you're saying? You know, I want a swimming course. And and it's it's been a really hard thing. I mean, I know that the town can't afford one. Um
>> Well, so that that's a great that's a great segue. Uh I left this out of the presentation. Uh we talked about it a little bit before we we went live, but okay. Um we had a a peer reviewer um that um did a fiscal impact study for this for this project, for this
community. Um and he determined the end of the buildout uh once you take away the expenses that a community like this uh adds to the town versus the revenue, which would be the property taxes, the town will have uh a a net profit revenue
from taxes of $2.1 million. And the town is actually reviewing that and the town's peer reviewing that. So again, the the same thing that I talked about in terms of negotiations with the town administrator and the board, that's $2 million that the town's going to have
year over year, year over year. That could be something that you talk to them about and advocate for wanting. >> Thank you. I I I don't see that happening with with the other budget considerations, but thank you very much.
But but that's why we but that's why we're here because we are we're at the point where we are able to negotiate with the town and that master development agreement that we're putting together is is a an agreement that the town will have to abide by just as much as we have to abide by it and and
depending on what the people in the town want and what we want, we we could add things and and and mark off saying we think this is a priority and and negotiate that. So, so, so it would be a matter of finding how many people in
Lakeville do want that. >> I think so. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Well, if I may. >> Sure. >> Um, I'm not quite sure that's what it comes down to as to how many people. I think it's more at this moment a question of whether or not let's use the
pool as an example because you've brought it up and I'm not I can't comment one way or the other you know whether that's the right piece of the puzzle or not but having done this many times before as as Michael said the reality is this is a political campaign
and it is completely appropriate for residents of Lakeville that go to town meeting to be able to say on the This is a proposal that I like or I don't like. And that proposal will have a number of pieces to it. It will have
the senior community. It will have the golf course and it will have mitigation components that we agree to. From our perspective, I believe I really believe to my core that we have gone in the wrong direction
as a as a society and segmenting people into separate groups. It's very very hard to get something other than a senior community because of the tax benefits approved in most towns like Lakeville. That's not that's in no
way a judgment on you. But it doesn't mean that these that their world stops at these borders, you know, and that's what Michael is talking about that it's when you come out that southern entrance that's shown, if you can point to it, Michael, you are exactly one mile from
where we're sitting here today. It's surprisingly close. >> You're used to going out the other way, coming in from Clear Pond Park, >> which is two and a half miles. >> When we make the connection, it's a mile. And one of the things that we want to talk to the town about is working with them to get a grant to improve a
bike lane multimodal path um that would encourage people to come down here because I know that seniors love to be around kids. You know, they they they make great partners with the kinds of programs that you have here and to and this is a 10-year buildout. This is
something in which we need the first people that join our our group to be our biggest advocates. And if they can say, "We love it here. We love our community. We love riding our bicycles down in Ted Williams. We love participating in the
little leagues and referees or or whatever the case may be." And so as we think about how we can um take the the dollars that we have available in a project of this size and we recognize it's a big project. Um
we would love to hear from you whether there are elements here at your primary facility that we could participate in that would encourage seniors in some way or another. I mean I had mentioned in the letter pickle ball courts. Well, you
got some pickle ball courts, but I know pickle ball is the fastest growing sport in the United States. I don't quite understand it myself. I've tried it out. It's not for me, but um a lot of people love it. That may not be the answer, but I think that to the extent that we can
hear from you, things that we can include in our overall proposal and discuss with others in town, you know, our goal here, frankly, is to create a a package that people look at and say, "This is good
for the town." And that needs to include other things other than just building 418 condominiums, which I understand a lot of people will have sticker shock for like you. >> Yeah. It's just a lot on a little bit of
area and like you said, segregated because the Lakeville Country Club is like in the middle of nowhere. Like it's two and a half miles if you come out the back. So for the people in that building way up top. Yes, your exit may be down here and only a mile away, but there's still a mile from your exit. So, it's
going to be two miles for those people to get here. >> Well, that's that's a perception thing. You know, I hear what you're saying, but I I for me at least >> they can't walk anywhere. >> I don't know about that. I don't know about that. >> I I So, I I see opposite with that. If you lived in this community or you came
to visit, this is going to be very attractive. I mean, part of the reason I left all of those slides about the the homes and our and our buildings and our landscape is because we do create a beautiful streetscape. Um, and so if if I if I was an auter,
I would look at this and say, "Great. I don't have to walk on a street that's poorly lit anymore. I get to walk on this in this community and it's a golf course and it's going to have attractive amenities and it's going to have attractive landscape and you're going to be able to walk through and you're going to be able to see uh the the flowers and
the trees and the reservoir and the golf courses and there's going to be a lot of places to walk cuz you're >> Oh, absolutely. I'm sure it's going to be beautiful and you're going to have lightaded pathways and walkways and everything, but they know CVS is a couple miles. So, they'll have to get in their car and drive to CVS or get in the
car and drive to the our senior center or get in the car and drive to the food store. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're not >> We can't That's why we live in Lakeville. >> That is why we live in Lakeville, >> right? >> That's why I live in Lakeville. I don't want all those stores next to me. >> No. >> Right. But when you're >> I understand
>> when you're really old, >> it's a balance. It's a balance. And we're not trying to remake the world here. But we are trying to recognize, having built many of these types of communities, that >> that what's right for you when you're 30 years old is not necessarily right for
you when you're 70 years old. >> Correct? >> And this is really about new beginnings. If there's one thing I've learned in this business, it's not about the condo that you're buying. It's about finding like-minded people, right?
>> That you can enjoy this section of your life. And from my perspective, getting people to enjoy life in means getting them beyond their borders. They need to have a reason to branch out. We
don't want them to just sure they may get up every morning and go for a mile walk through this, but they also may not on that get on their bike once or twice in a couple of months and ride their bicycle down to Ted Williams Park. And if they're pickle ball players and there's a great pickle ball facility,
they may do it or they might get in their car. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter how they get here. I mean, you're right. They're going to be in Lakeville, like in every town in Massachusetts, really. you need your car, but that doesn't mean you can't expand um and to some degree redefine,
you know, how we interact with people, how we interact with what's around us. But we really would love to know if there are some goodies here that you have been trying to get funded that you haven't been able to that in
which there's an intersection of um you know, opportunity here. >> I heard a pool I would love a fool. >> I having rheumatoid arthritis, I can't do a lot of the more strenuous exercises
that other people can do, but water sports is one that I can. >> A pool here, Ted Williams. >> Um, but your pool's not indoors. >> No, small. It would it would it would be a problem for us to make our pool part of uh open to the town,
>> right? But that's >> because you're right across from the beach. So >> well that too seems right overly >> but that doesn't mean that if there was a you know if building a public pool here as part of the facility down here was something that had support. I
realize that's a big number but there's also public grant money available and we we we did that in in Halifax. In Halifax the town passed a bond to uh help fund a new senior center. They're putting in half. We're putting in half. It It
didn't start out that way, but that's where it ended up. >> Yeah. And I do pay I do pay close to $700 for that membership for for a very short period of time. So, it's not it's not a freebie for me, but it's
worthwhile for me to be able to do water sports. Thank you. >> Go ahead, Carrie. >> So, a couple things. So, one, um, I mean, if you guys have spent any time in the area, I'm a little confused on the ride your bike to Ted Williams. These
streets are not safe. I >> And that's why I Excuse me. >> That's why I was suggesting I mean, we've looked at the road and there's ample room onto the side to create a dedicated bikeway, okay? >> You know, with a curb that separates, okay, >> a multimodal path from the road. And
there's a lot I shouldn't say a lot, but there are public grant funds available for that exact type of improvement. >> Okay. >> The the state would look very favorably on a grant that is connecting a community like this. >> Yeah. >> And you to the to the parks. Exactly.
And you'd look at it as >> possibly the senior center. >> And we would wind up doing a larger plan that would show how over time that bikeway could be expanded. Right. you know, just like the rail, you know, the rail trails now where you build a piece, then you build another piece.
>> Okay, that clears that up for me. Um, just to add on to the pool discussion. So, that may be one thing. Um, so there there was a pool at one of the schools that it kind of just aged its lifespan.
It was indoor pool and I believe that's what the high school used for their swim team. anyone in the town could go for like I don't know if you could buy a membership or just cheap day rate but it was like multigenerational use. They did swimming
lessons there. Well, it's nonfunctional now. They are making big decisions about do they try to rehab it or do they just fill it in and not have a pool. The high school is using I believe they go to Middleboro to use their pool. So yeah, maybe the pool would be one piece
of leverage. Um there isn't a lot over here aside from walking and observing youth sports that seniors, you know, could do maybe or the tennis courts are there and they're >> pickle ball.
>> How do you feel about the pickle ball situation? Is that a popular sport here in town? >> It's picking up actually. I mean, we had a group in here for a while and um they wanted to use all the courts and they were tennis courts. >> Yeah. >> You know, and they so we tried to come
to an agreement where we gave them one court to make two pickle ball and the middle court was kind of a a you know, tennis or pickle ball, whichever it could be, and the third one would stay tennis. >> Yeah. >> And um they weren't in favor of that and wanted to go someplace else. But would
it be something that the general public would like? I think so. >> Yeah, I do. >> It's not my sport, right? >> But I don't I would not stand in the way if you guys wanted to help come up with building three pickle ball courts and getting funding to do that. That would
be, I think, a great thing, especially especially if you've got a bike trail going from there, >> right, >> a mile up the street. And one other thing real quick that comes to mind to like connect those two groups. Um, my grandparents lived in a retirement community in Florida.
>> And my favorite thing when me and my brother were down visiting was to go play shuffle board. >> Mhm. >> I think like kids like that, obviously seniors like that. That might be an activity that like could mesh those groups. >> Is the botchi I saw you have all these botchi course. That must be just one. >> Oh, just one.
>> And it was built by, you know, it was a boy scout project. >> Oh. But it's had very little uses and it's too bad. >> Oh, >> because it' be a lot of fun. >> Yeah, we took down the border cuz it rotted last. So, I took it down last year. But we had one family that came and played every week.
>> What are those? I thought they were watching >> tennis uh horseshoes. >> Horseshoes. >> Horseshoes. Yes. Yes. And now those those 20 courts were built by built by the horseshoe club. >> Uhhuh. So the deal was if they built the
20 courts, 16 would stay for the club and four would be open to the general public, which is more than enough, >> you know. Um >> Yeah. >> But that's that's where that is. Yeah. And it and they and they and they take care of the whole thing, you know. >> Um >> and they use them all the time.
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They put weekly leagues and tournaments and >> it's a nice nice avenue. So, in my mind, the two things we need the most currently is a multi-function building and new baseball fields.
>> New baseball fields. Rehabbing. >> Rehabbing. >> I like baseball. >> Yeah. I don't know. Does anybody else have any? >> No, those are big. >> Those are big. Big. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Is this golf course going to be like
public? Yes. >> No. Entirely public. Entirely public >> entirely public this is not at all well I'm sure there'll be memberships that you can buy at a it's a public course but there'll be different programs of how you can participate you know if someone wants we haven't gotten that far is the honest answer but it's intended
to be public course. Okay. >> We've been in discussions with Sterling Golf who manages eight other golf courses in this region. Um they feel that to use their words the bones of the course are very good. They think the
layout is actually a very good layout and it just needs a lot of TLC. >> Yeah, the original nine. >> That's right. I've seen those pictures. >> I grew up there. >> Oh, is that right? >> I grew up pedaling my bike over there to play golf. >> Okay. All right. >> And uh I was there when they built the
second nine. I was working there >> um and what have you. And um but the original nine had big wide open fairways, big tea boxes, big greens, >> you know, and it was a very friendly course to play. Uh-huh. >> And um when they built the other nine,
um they kind of squeezed in some holes. And >> so if we were to participate in trying to get the uh the fields um move them along, what what specifically is is on your agenda and
what are the price tags associated with it? Do you know that off the top of your head? >> Um I do. It's as soon as we can find the money, they'll be done and it's about $150,000. $150,000. >> That's for >> six fields. >> Six fields. >> Really? And you're And you And you're
looking for the money. >> Where's my checkbook? >> We take it. >> It It's been a case where the leagues have always, you know, participated in in cleanup days and work days, right? >> You know, at least once a year. >> And um about five or six years ago, we
had a switch and the Lakeville Little League joined the Freetown Little League together. and now they play most of their games over in Freetown. >> So Lakeville's become, you know, like the little sister no one wants to deal with, >> you know, and um they haven't had field
days here in six years. So subsequently, the fields are in disrepair. you know, years ago, dating myself, but it I guess it was uh 20 years ago, um we uh pushed
through a um a development plan at next to the Kingston commuter rail station on for those of you who know local law, the Mary O'Donnell property. It's big, 100 acres. It was actually the very first um 40R
project. If you know 40R at all, 40R is supposed to be the friendly version of 40B. Okay. And it it's um it was a very large project and we ultimately got a twothirds voted town meeting. It's a
very well attended town meeting and part of the plan was to build soccer fields on the an adjacent piece of property. Now, that was not an age restricted community and it was a and it was very large community which never got built um
because the09 meltdown came along right after we uh got all of our permits. Only project I've ever permitted and not completed. Um, but my point was simply that the reality was that it was the
youth sports parents who turned out in large numbers at town meeting and pushed a somewhat contentious uh proposal over the top. And in thinking back on it, it was a very interesting process. It's
worth a minute here because people started out saying, "Oh, we're going to get soccer fields. I want the soccer fields. I'm going to vote for this project." But then they started thinking about it and understanding what this was all about and how it was that we were
going to bring, you know, new homes to a community that needed homes, that it was going to be an opportunity for seniors to live next to par uh the kids and all the rest. And in the end, I'm convinced because I talked to dozens and dozens
and dozens of them that yes, it was the soccer fields that got them thinking about it, but at the end of the day, they felt that it was the right thing for Kingston to do. Economics didn't uh cooperate back then. But um so my point
here is that I would not say it's off the table for us to participate in in you know improving the fields even though that doesn't have a direct connection to seniors. It does to me in the sense that the the more people
that are drawn to this facility over time, the more energy it generates, the more interesting it is. And I know for me, you know, with six grandkids, I love nothing more than coming out and watching. I never realized I'd have
another opportunity to be participate in youth sports, whether it's my grandkids or someone else's kids. It's it's a wonderful way to spend an afternoon, especially when you don't have to take them home with you. >> Right. Right.
>> Okay. Any other questions? Do you guys have any other questions for us? Well, we would very much like for you to give this some thought, you know, and uh and you know, we've we've thrown a lot at you. Um the uh we're working very
closely. Um the select board and the planning board have been great. They've set up a task force that and we're meeting with them once every two weeks. Um Andrew's been very helpful. Um, and we are very much over the next 6 weeks
or so trying to um come to some sort of consensus on what this proposal really looks like and um and we'd love to hear back from you. >> So, and I've been in contact with Peter, so he has all my contact information, but I can also provide it individually
to you all as well. >> No, Peter's fine. Thank you. >> All right. Well, I thank you guys all for coming. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. >> The um golf course itself like with the range and restaurants and you take first class I guess like what sort of
clientele I guess you're looking for like >> I'm sorry what >> clientele that you'd be looking for like Sterling Golf like their golf courses they manage are they really on the high end? Are they more >> I'd say they're um they're a solid B+.
you know, they're not they're not the highest end, but they're they would they definitely take pride in what they do. Um, we we need to uh put more energy into thinking about where that middle ground is because we certainly do not
want to turn people away that have been playing on that course for years and years and years. On the other hand, you know, I think everyone recognizes that the course needs help and including Derek, the owner, you know, so um the uh
I don't have a good answer for you at the moment, but um you know, that's kind of how I would slice it. I I'll talk with them more and we'll get back to you and find another course in the area now that the weather's breaking that they feel is comparable to where this would end up
>> through the chair. You might look at a cushion at a cushion is the nice place where my husband golf >> okay >> quite a bit and um it might be that sweet spot. >> Okay. >> It's town owned independently run. >> It's a nice
>> nice course accessible. >> Anything else? Andrew. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Thank you guys for coming in. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Next on our agenda is to go over
the engineering plan with Jamie from Zenith Engineering. >> Thanks for coming, Jamie. >> No problem. How you doing? >> Good, thanks. How are you? >> I'm good. Where would you like for me to set this up? You can come right up here so that everybody on Lake Cam can see it.
>> You want the plan back there and everything? >> Yeah. You want some help? >> No, that's okay. Thank you. >> Have a great night. >> Good night. Thanks for coming. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> My first comment on the plan is that it's way too small. I had to find my biggest glasses and it still wasn't
enough. And I was like, I should run to the store and buy myself extra big glasses. Now, good news is I brought some bigger plants for everybody. >> Well, not everybody. I brought two sets. >> I I decided that I could take my phone and enlarge it on my phone.
>> I used to laugh at my mother when she couldn't read and she would go like that. Karma, we always get you. All right. All right. One set, I guess, over here. >> All right. >> And then a set over here.
>> Now you have to take your glasses off. All right. The first two sheets are um kind of just telling you where the property is. And then there's the existing admission
sheet or sheet two. Um I think the parks commission is pretty familiar with >> Yes. >> what's there. So, if we can go to this is called the layout sheet. >> Um, I put together just a quick little highlight and at any time stop me, ask me any questions. Um, we're looking for
feedback. I'd like to get this submitted to whatever departments need this. I know conservation will need to look at this. >> I'm not sure if planning is um is subject to or not. I'll talk with Nate and Michelle and see, but um basically I want to get everybody's input so that we
finalize and submit a package that everyone likes. Um so on this plan uh the cliff notes are we have 104 parking spaces proposed, five handicap, four van accessible. >> Do you know off the top of your head how many we currently have?
>> No, because there's not a set number because there's no lines. >> Yeah, there's no lines. >> Um >> you actually The next my next topic was we're providing curb stops which is going to give you some delineation as to parking spaces but also in our detail
sheets what we're proposing is um what we're calling a gravel paving delineation you put it in reprocessed asphalt as well. Basically it's a buried pa block or or block you put into the ground straight in line. So every year when you paint your lines >> nice
>> you have a marker on each end. That way, no matter if you plow it, you regrade it, those blocks are still there. They work, it works really nice in gravel parking areas. So, we're proposing that for delineations here. Um, walkway. Um, right now getting kids and adults out of
the traveled way, parents running late for the game, running late for practice. It's nice to get everybody out of the traveled lanes. So, we're trying to provide some walkway areas in here so that parents and kids can walk without, you know, if you're get hit by a car. um ADA sitting areas and accessibility.
Right now the park has no ADA anything. >> Great. >> Um what we did was we provided each field with an ADA sitting area and access to it and uh parking areas as close as we can to the the appropriate field so that it's um accessible uh and
user friendly. Uh we're proposing a new building um over here. the new building. We don't have any structural plans. We have nothing to go off of. So, I pick 30 by 50. 30 by 50. What we're hoping is that it can house a snack shack, bathrooms,
and storage. I know the parks need storage. I know the the clubs need storage. Um 30x 50 may not be enough. But the best location for it, in my opinion, based off of everything going on, is a hybrid of where the old building was and where the snack shack
is. The bad news is the snack shack is rotting inside in between the wall and the siding. >> Um, if you if you pull back parts of the siding, you can see where the water's been getting in between and rotting things out. >> Uh, we've made band-aid repairs over the
years, but >> uh there's only so much you can do. It's >> it's uh that particle board and >> kilm dried >> uh tubes. It's just it is what it is. Um, at the very end we have a culde-sac.
I will tell you the um co the comments that I've gotten from people so far is they don't love the idea of the culdeac. They see it as a waste of space. Um, also there's been comments that um they're afraid people will just park there and so fire and ambulances won't be able to utilize it if be if needed.
>> Um, I'm open to suggestions. I think anytime >> gateed off >> like a chain. So, the thought process, >> the thought process is is yeah, we could we we you could do something with an NOX box or something if you wanted. >> Um, technically under the NFPA, the fire
code, you're supposed they're not supposed to have to back up more than 150 ft. >> Fire trucks. >> Fire trucks. >> Gotcha. >> So, >> understandable. Very >> understanding with the state code, this would meet it, but the chief does have flexibility to say, I don't need it here or we'll be fine. So, this might be
something where I go and talk with Chief O'Brien and say, "What do you need?" You know, would you allow me just to give you maybe a ham some kind of a little entrance to park here and then you could back out? I don't I don't know. It's something that um we're open to discussion if parks feels it, but this
we believe meets code for it. So, that's what you have. Um we're showing improvements to field three with dugouts. Uh field three right now is the field that people really can't use, but um it's wet. Um it's it's in disrepair.
Uh there's really not dugouts. There's little caged in quasi caged in areas, >> collapsing benches. >> Yeah. >> And and we actually had some parents throw some uh pallets which ended up going into a little wooden bridge walkway over what should be what is kind
of like a swale, but it's just a depression. Um, and we've addressed that further on in this plan set. But what we're showing here is um, a 200 foot field, which is what the town would want if they want to be able to get tournaments, like real tournaments. You
want 200 foot fields for USA softball regulations. U, the other two fields are pretty much right there. And since we've done most of the improvements to field two already with the dugouts and everything, uh, this would this would be big. you'd have three fields that you know could be beneficial to the town and
to softball altogether. Um lighting for field two is shown on this. Uh lighting is going to not just be big just for softball but also for bloop ball and co-ed. >> Um you know they they're I think they're fighting for space. You know >> they are.
>> So um lighting is is put onto this because it's just it'd be good for everybody. Um, and a fan sitting area over on field two. Right now, field two is tough. You've got the drop off behind the fence here with kind of a, you know, it's kind
of a skewed vision. What what I find most parents do, they pull their cars off the road here and sit watching from the park from from their cars. >> It's not a real good way to get the parents engaged with the kids. Um, you know, I think that opening up this area over in here, which is a little wooded area, um, taking out a little bit of
trees and opening that up, um, so that people can sit. Also, um, back here, cleaning this up a little bit. Um, I think that will really push parents to be able to come and watch the games and sit closer to the fields. >> So, you're going to move the sitting
area that's right over here over to the other side. >> Well, bleaches here. We're looking to add, not not >> remove. >> Yeah. Not not move or remove >> because where's the ADA one for the >> second field? >> So, there's there's an ADA um seating
area here that we're proposing. >> Okay. >> And we have an ADA seating area here and here. >> The two fields. >> Yep. Right now, if you look under the words light pole, that's where right now the bleachers are sitting. Those aluminum bleachers, they got carried over there um at some point.
>> Okay. getting it put over there >> over the year. I'm not really sure um how effective they are there, but there's really not a We've looked at it from all angles. >> There's not a really spot for on field two. >> Um it's just it's a tough view. Um,
so but some seating areas where people can bring their camping chairs, get up close to the fence, have their kids running around, you know, and and whatever that we we feel that that would be inviting to people. So, that kind of sums this up. You'll notice there we're
showing some trees um trying to stop people from parking on the non-paved, non uh recycled asphalt areas. Uh the only way to do that is to put vegetation that they can't drive on, >> tree, shrubs, something of decent size >> that they can't drive.
>> Uh >> yeah. >> And we show them some picnic tables and things like that to try to improve >> in this big drainage basin. This is the only drainage like swale. >> Nope. >> I'm going to show >> I'm sorry I'm getting ahead. >> It's okay. It's It is It's okay. The
next sheet actually is going to go over that a little bit. >> So you guys okay with me changing pages? >> Y. All right. All right. We call this the grading and drainage plan. Um, this one shows adjusted grading on
field one. Um, field one's a nice field. Uh, when you actually look at it from a standpoint of grade, has too much pitch across it. And you can actually go out there, stand at home plate, and you can see how it drops on the back left hand side. >> Um, over in here, what we have, well,
let's just take it this way. We're at 102 for elevation. Elevations are in feet. >> Over here, we're at elevation 97 and 96. So, there is 8 ft of drop across the field from outfield side to outfield side. They recommend half a percent to
1%. I couldn't get that to work here. It would have varied everything. It would have changed the entire entire campus. So, what we did was we worked the best we could. We we kind of worked with the grades here. And then what we did was we took from this point pretty much right
at the third baseline going out and flattened this area here. The only way to get that done is a small retaining wall. >> Retaining wall is going to be anywhere from I think 9 in to a little less than 2 ft tall. It's not a big one, but it's there. And there's really not a way to
get that with the field being leveled up to some degree and the ADA access walkway to work with one another besides the wall cuz I hate >> you need that otherwise it would slope too much. It would slope too much out to the parking lot. >> It would slope too much to the parking. It'd be a cliff. So we had to do that.
Um the good news is >> that's a good idea. >> The walls only limited to right in this area here um field >> and that's going to take care of all the wetness. It's going to help with the wetness and it's also going to help with um it's going to help with the puddling down at the base because that's right where we get um all the ruts from people
that pull a little too far. That place is always soaked. We'll have to bring that grade up a little bit. So, that will help. >> Um another thing that we when we were doing the drainage analysis, another thing we realized is what's happening is all this water was originally pitching right to here and this is a massive flat
spot. So, what we're doing is, and it's not just this, it's also water from up in here that's coming down. >> What we're doing is we're pitching it, a lot of it. We're catching it and trying to pitch it here and around the building this way into the wetland >> so that it's no longer shooting towards this field and staying stagnant. We're
trying to pitch it into the into the wetland back here and help dry out that field a little bit. >> Um, so we think between the two of those that will really help with this area in here. Uh we're also working on grades for field three. Uh field three we're
keeping the grade pretty much at home plate but like the other field dropping off quite a bit. We're looking to flatten it out. So we're picking it up in this area about 2 feet and this area about a a foot and a half. >> I was going to ask you, are you planning on raising it? >> You have to. >> No, you have to. You have to.
>> That field's always been wet. >> It's always been since I was a kid. >> Yep. So, uh that's what the proposal is here. Fence at 200 ft. Uh standard USA softball field. um should be uh pretty good. And then drainage. We have a drainage basin here with what's called a
for bay. And this is the actual basin. So it's not a swale. This actually when water comes, what it will do is it'll hold the water and release it slowly so that it mimics the speed in which it's functioning now out into the wetland. So it won't engulf the wetland with the water. We're also putting a small
collection area here with a pipe underground. This right here is catching the water that's sheeting across here. Um, we're able to pick it up here instead of letting it all just keep coming down, coming down, coming down. >> So, we're trying to pick it up here and we're picking it up down here and this for
>> And where does the little one in the middle, where does that go? >> It goes to this back basin. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, that's what this pipe will do here is it'll transfer it from in this collection area right to there. >> Okay. Um, one of the things that I don't know if the parks knows and I didn't
know about until last year was the culvert that runs under this little access path here. >> Yep. >> Um, is 6 in smaller than the culvert in the road. And that explains why it floods and
search charges around the um around the dugout on field too and floods it. And it only floods it for a couple of hours, but it's enough to wash all of our gravel and stone dust away. >> All your hard work. >> And I didn't know, but the neighbor Derek Maxum took videos for me and showed me it cuz I had no clue. So, what
we're proposing is replace the culvert with an equalized culvert so that they equalize. Um, it's going from an 18 to a 24 in. So, >> that's uh that's part of this as well. >> And then that just goes off into the wetlands. Goes into the >> part of that cold stream, the cold one. Well, it's not a cold water. I yeah,
there's not enough water there to be a stream, but it probably eventually connects to one. >> So, but yeah, like right now, um >> during most of the summer, it's it's bone dry. And then upgrading at the pond, they actually control it with boards, >> right? It's a little >> Yep. >> thing. >> It is a pull out or whatever. Yeah.
>> We used to pull them out to go play in the water. >> Yep. >> So, um >> you were trouble, weren't you? >> Oh, yeah. >> I lived down there. Um, and then the last sheet really to go over tonight, and I'll go over any of these plans with anyone, but the rest of
the sheets are kind of just boring as far as like erosion control sheets and and details. Um, that's more for contractors who need to know how to construct this these items and take care of the property. This is the utility sheet. Um, this one could is pretty brief. Um, on this we're showing the
proposed tight tank. We did do we did attempt perks with B of Health. We dug, soil mapping shows the best soil on site is up here. >> It was still horrific. Uh we dug down. Um it looked like clay, marbled clay. Uh even though clay is just the generic
term, it wasn't it was just really bad tight material. Uh not not suitable for a septic. We also came back and dug back here. Same stuff. Um just bad. So board of health and the soil evaluator on site agreed gonna tight tank's the way to go
for this place. So uh tight tank will be fine. Um as far as size-wise we did calculations this plan would be suitable for submitt to the board of health. It's also part of this package. So um it can go out for bids or grants or whatever else that we get wanted to include in
this 2500galon monolithic tank. We put them down right on lone pond. um you know so they they sit underwater most of the time in most applications and they're fine. Monolithic means one pour so typically tanks have seams at the mid
at the middle part. The only seam on this will be at the very top where the cover hits the tank and then what we do is we make them gasket it waterproof it. >> So uh so it should be very watertight >> and then that just gets pumped like your septic tank. >> What? Yeah. So, what will happen is
there's an alarm for 3-fifths. Once the level hits three-fifths full, there'll be a a light that goes on with an alarm. You can silence it and you still have two-fifths of the tank volume remaining. Company will come pump the tank and you're back at it and you can still use
it even when the alarm's going. And there's a button just on the side to silence it. >> Okay. >> Yep. Um the last thing for this was connection to the existing well. Um, obviously that's going to take some testing, some work, and work with the board of health,
but we have an existing well on site. Um, and we would, even though probably won't get it for portable uses, I think we could get it to flush toilets. >> But irrigation, you guys. >> Exactly. >> So, and we've used it to flush toilets with the trailers and things like that. So, that would be the goal.
>> And that is essentially it. >> Okay. Um, my only other question that I came to is we're removing the existing playground. Did you have a spot to put a new playground? >> Yeah, so we talked about putting it right in this vicinity here. Um, okay.
>> And let me go back to closer. >> Well, it's closer to here, but not to here. But that's fine. It's not near the woods. It's that's fine. >> It's still closer to the general. >> Yeah, >> it is. So, show the >> you can sit here and watch. Yeah. The pros and cons are parents can see it
from all three fields, which is nice because field two, you can't see your kids on the playground. >> The other pro is the mosquitoes are horrific over where it is now. I mean, they're bad. >> Getting them away from the tree line is a good thing. Bad news is is that they're kind of in the middle, so there's foul balls that potentially
could go in that area. >> Yeah, exactly. Right. So, >> wear a helmet. >> Yeah, there's two. I mean, I haven't I don't think I've seen anybody hit a foul ball from field two that far, but definitely field three and one. That's that could be an active area depending upon who's playing. Um, and also the
fact we'd have to fence in the area. Um, you know, because there's vehicles that are moving around. So, uh, we might want to make some slight alterations to the grading, which is easy enough to do to make that work. Um, the one thing I have learned is playgrounds are ridiculously
expensive. Every apparatus is a budget breaker. Um, so I did not include a full um playground on here because we we looked as a park as a group softball board. We looked into buying a swing set and it was crazy, >> right?
>> I mean like five figures of madness and then you need the chips that go in the certified chips and everything else. So >> um >> yeah. So but this is this is the area in which we were thinking would be best for everybody. >> Okay. That's why I sent you that email. It's
year end clearance on that >> sales. They have sales twice a year. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Anything else? >> Yeah. I guess I guess my my only thought was that back field being so wet, especially with the parking lot, >> the extended parking lot you have there
and that field itself. I was wondering what what what is your plan? And you said to elevate it >> and correct the drainage. I mean, that's that's key. Yeah, it is. It really is. >> Are you planning on putting like a a drainage where that swale is from home
plate out or or or are you going to go the other way with it >> over in here? >> Yeah. >> So, there is there's actually more pitch. Right now, it's really flat. So, what we're doing is we're increasing the pitch to run and get into the roadway and back. But again, the we're taking a two-tier approach. We're trying to limit the amount of water that gets there. So
if you look at the actual contributing area that flows there now, we're looking to cut that by a lot and swell it around the back side of >> to the other side. Exactly. >> That would be that would be great. Yep. >> Cuz that doesn't >> doesn't impact where people are as much.
>> No. Exactly. And it's all getting to the same same wetland, same area. It's just um you know the amount of time it takes to get there. And that's part of why because this is getting to the wetland quicker. That's part of why we need the basin is to actually slow it down so
we're not sending too much water to the wetland and impacting anybody downstream. >> Would you believe we had a Babe Ruth field where you plan to put that? >> I do. I looked at the historical photos. Yeah. The home the home plate we had balls that would go out towards the
>> and just disappear when they hit the ground. >> Get them back. Yep. >> Gone. They would go in the >> It was crazy. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I >> But I mean Yeah. It's just crazy how wet it was. That's where they used to put the big fireworks display in the >> I'm still amazed. The old building here had bathrooms in the lower level.
>> When When I was a kid, they opened them. >> Yep. >> And they lasted about a year. >> Yeah. They must have flooded all the time. >> Oh, they did. It was constant that there was constant water on the cement and >> it just it was just wet. >> Yeah. It was bad. Yeah, >> it was. We when we cleaned it out down there, it was bad. So gross. >> It was really gross.
>> Yeah. Um, since we're going to like shoot for the moon with everything with grants and stuff, is there any reason why we can't put in for lighting on field three >> cuz it was free? >> No, there's I mean there's there's nothing from my understanding there's nothing off limits that we can't add to
the plan. >> Okay. >> So, if you if if if you guys want field lights added to field three, I'm happy to have. >> Well, um, thank you. These proposed light poles, are they just going to be in your mind the wooden ones that we
have on field one? >> I mean that those Yeah, the wooden ones are still extremely expensive. >> Yes. >> Um sinking poles, especially if that height is huge money. So yeah, I I would imagine anything but that >> we just redid all field one. >> Yeah, that's financially crippling. So
yeah, I would imagine we're going to have wood poles with as simple of lights as >> that's why you see wood poles out here everywhere >> because they would so expensive to put up the the >> metals. Yeah. >> The metal stansions which is outrageous. >> Yep. So I would think yes. >> I I mean not that we need to do it. I'm
just saying if the like big 10-year goal of the parks is to make this a facility that we can have other people pay to host tournaments here and stuff like you're going to get more bang for your buck if you have >> No, it doesn't hurt to put them in because then you have the whole plan and >> yeah never happens.
>> All right, we can add that. This is Yeah, that's perfect. I'll add that on. >> Um where can you show me where the football field is currently? Yeah, it's >> up there >> in a drainage basin. >> And what is all this right here?
>> That's grass and wetland. >> Wetland. That's the stream. >> So, by putting this in, will that help this too or No, >> there are environmental benefits to the b the basin. So, drainage basin isn't just about flooding, but it's also about
water quality. Right now we have zero uh drainage best management practices on site. Everything flows off and into the resource area. What this will do is this will between this section here and the for bay here is going to help settle out
any type of um any type of salts or any types of dirt contaminants. It will help keep that back. So it'll be a it'll be definitely an improvement to the resource it. So yes. So you're asking if fo parking can be fit in there. There
also I mean if you remember >> a little bit. Yeah. >> There was a lot of issues with parking. I mean I know we're fixing parking to make it more organized but >> I don't know adding a whole another
sport especially if we start doing like rented tournaments. It >> it might be too much of a >> Yeah. Right. >> Catastrophe. So, we've done tournaments there and small ones, >> little ones. >> And the problem is is that if you're going to rent it out, let's say that you have um you have a state class, you
know, group that wants to use this, you know, on an annual basis. >> They're not going to have nearly enough parking without something like this, >> right? >> What we had had to do was we would have to move a telephone pole and then we'd have to have somebody guard with a sign saying umpires and coaches only because you're afraid people are going to get
stuck on the grass, right? But so the coaches and the umpires would park back there because you know they they'd be very careful and talk to them. But and you still had people lining up and down Bond Street parking everywhere. It was a disaster. >> Please don't like that. >> No, that's something we need to live it. Yeah. >> Oh, and while I'm while we're on it, the
other part that I'm doing here is um is I'm changing where the entrance is. The entrance right now is over here um and and comes up into the site on on kind of a hard angle. Mhm. >> It's much easier when people are coming out and looking per, you know, 90° to the left and to the right and not on a
skewed angle in a row. >> Um I don't love the idea of having these as close as they are. But at the end of the day, >> um you I think if we whether we fence one side off like we have now and make everybody come out to one side, >> I think it's nice to have the option of
opening the second one in case something does happen. Mhm. >> Um, and the layout of these two, I think, makes the over it improves how people are going to access in and out. Uh, but it will, uh, potentially impact uh, moving some items out there. Um,
the gate obviously. Uh, there'll be some stuff that will have to be. I tried to do it so we wouldn't have to >> because isn't there like a ditch, like a swale >> in between them now or just grass? >> Just grass. Little grass. Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. Could even make it like a oneway.
This was the >> the ditch is over here like >> Yeah, that's a stream. >> Yeah, with a stream with a intermittent stream. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. So, lights on field three. >> Yeah. >> And a playground. >> It just Yeah. Put
>> playground area. Yep. >> Um, so we put the building. We had talked about like a pavilion area for eating and stuff, >> right? >> Yeah. with shade >> like over here >> in the box area >> where the playground >> the playground area. >> Yeah,
>> I guess if they'll both fit just something with shade with >> that you can put the picnic tables in again for like a tournament or something. They would have somewhere to go. >> Sure. Do you have um do you have an like can you guys send me an idea of what you're thinking size-wise or aesthetics wise so I can draw it on there
appropriately. I I think I get what you're talking about. >> I mean I'd say just what whatever you think is going to fit with the playground. So like just like a p a concrete pad, right? that we have a bunch of picnic tables on >> with some cover >> so that like if you're buying stuff at the snack shack, you can have somewhere
to sit down and eat it if you want. And then a cover. So there moving this building over >> from where the you know, you're almost thinking >> probably where the existing snack stand is now >> coming out and maybe splitting that area with the playground.
>> Mhm. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> Especially cuz you're moving the building back over a little bit almost to where it was. >> But you still have these are the batting cages. >> Yeah. Yeah, we So, we've got the batting cage, the shed, and um right now we have a storage unit back there as well to hold
>> to hold gear. >> What about on the fields themselves? >> We'll need that if we can get a hold. >> So, that would be great. >> Um on the fields themselves, didn't we uh as the board talk about having like some dedicated like pitching warm-up areas?
>> Mhm. They have. So on the um on this field itself, field three, it's going to be really difficult with the wetland resource line over in here. >> Um >> but if you put it between one and three up with the playground in the heated
pavilion follows. >> Yeah. So So there is room in this area, what is now the >> ditch, the the area that um a lot of water goes to. There's potential for some kind of a warm-up area. tunnel. >> Not an actual physical tunnel, but
>> a netted area or something. Yeah, there is. There's definitely room there for uh for probably a couple of them. >> Mhm. >> Okay. Thank you, Jamie. >> That's it. >> Does anybody else have any questions, concerns, or comments?
>> Anything we need to add, Andrew, for when your little girl comes up? I know, right? >> Six years is going to fly by. >> Oh, it's quick. It's quick. No. >> All right. Makes a lot of sense. >> All right. Great. Well, if you guys think, let me know. I'm going to try to
get these to the town the end of by the end of next week. If that's all right, I'll talk with >> powers that be and see what permits we need. I know conservation is one of them. Um, if site plan approval is another one, then we'll file with the planning board and um and that's it.
>> Okay. Perfect. >> Great. All right. Thank you for your time. appreciate you. Thanks for coming in. >> I'm happy to. This is great. >> Hopefully easier than the last meeting. >> Yes. >> Although you were in and out of your last meeting pretty quick. >> Yes, I was.
>> Yeah. No, everything's going good today. >> Good. Good. >> Good. Good. That's awesome. You imagine the basin that just bas water? >> No. So the basin is designed to um not hold water after 72 hours if it's a
regular storm. We try we try to make sure that the water 72 hours. That's the state standard. We put the outlets at the bottoms of the basin so there's no stagnant water standing there as well. So if the pipes at the bottom of the basin, you can't really get water standing. That's important. I mean my
daughter's is 16. She's in the high school now. So she's done with racks. the mosquito stand possibly adding some sand back in. So no, the basin should drain and that's the whole water should be done annually.
Hasn't been done yet. >> Hasn't been done yet. >> And from a safety standpoint, we don't want standing water there for too long cuz >> No. And they they drain these here drain pretty quick, >> but >> I've never seen water in the bottom of them. >> I remember we you and I had the conversation that they need to be tended
to. They need to be royilled or >> you got to maintain >> and add sand. Nothing's been done because grass is growing in all the way on the one over by the police station. >> Yeah. >> Y the chair. Let me just ask that um I don't know what the process is like for
CPC that funded your >> fine study. >> Does something give emailed to to them or >> have you been paid? >> I haven't put in I put in one invoice for the survey part of it. I have not put in the second. I talked I was with Michelle presenting in front of the
planning board just before this. Um and she asked me the same thing before the meeting. Um I'm going to probably submit an invoice to her tomorrow because that will make for their next meeting. Um but I usually like to have a plan set before I put somebody. >> Right. >> So yes, I send it tomorrow.
>> This is a little just a little new to me. I'm the leazison for for CPC. I'm just wondering do I should I bring this to them? >> Jamie's gonna >> Jamie will handle that. And is this a coffee for parks or? >> Absolutely. You guys are welcome to keep them if you want.
>> You don't need them. >> I don't. No, but if you want me to get rid of them, I will. >> No, we'll keep one in the office. >> Yeah, it's a good spot. >> Thank you. Maybe we'll keep two in the office so in case we need to look at it again glasses. >> When we have finalized stamp plans that are updated, I'll bring those and you can replace them and throw these.
>> Awesome. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> All right. Great. Have a good night. Um, the basin in the back, is it angled so that a lawnmower can drive down to cut the grass in it? >> It's angled just like the other basins
around town. So, yes, they can definitely drive down >> cuz the one in the parking lot, they can't. They have to mow it by hand. >> The new one? >> The new one? >> Yeah. >> Is it the one near the MMA? >> No, the new the new one in the back parking lot that they just put in. >> Oh, all right. I'll drive by there. So,
I just want to make sure >> that's the one when you're heading out of 10 volumes, >> right? I'll take a look at that. >> Yeah. I mean, >> because we designed that one, too. So, >> yeah, >> we designed all of them for 10. So, I'll take a look. >> Yeah. >> So, just a thing. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much.
>> Good work. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> I hope you get ahead. >> We do last month, so we'll see. >> Okay. Those are our two biggies for today. >> Yep. So now we can fly. Now he can't but
he can fly. Okay. Park commission meeting minutes for February 12th. Um I only had one item. Second page item six. First page Melissa Turkot said that the commission will be reassigning liaison in April town elections. Can we
change in to after April town elections? >> We can certainly do that. >> Thank you. Did anybody else find anything? Do we have a minute motion? >> Make a motion to accept the minutes of February 12th.
>> I'll second it. >> Four. Noel. Any discussion? >> All in favor? >> I I >> I meetings minutes now accepted. >> Okay. Samurai baseball. Um, funny story. Peter and I were still talking with the
FLAA. Well, they were kind of talking to themselves and we were kind of talking to ourselves. >> Ken came in >> and then Ken, he called you. >> Yeah. He goes, "Where are you?" I said, "I'm gone." He thought it was 10:00. >> I'm like, "You just missed Scott." It was 5 of 10. Poor guy. But it was fine.
Nice guy. >> Happy to be there. He talked to FLA for a while, so that was good. Um, who we starting with? Co-ed volleyball. >> We have to vote on Samurai. >> Get any further information. So, their application. So, we're going to hold on
them. >> All right. So, we'll do Samurai. >> There's no conflicts. >> No, he's field fours, >> right? And and I saw FLA didn't request field four at all. >> No. >> I make a motion we accept. >> I'll second. The only thing is do we
need to know how many players play? >> Three teams maximum that. Okay. Yep. Sorry, I missed that. Yep. >> Yep. >> That's very thorough. Number six, got motions. >> Yep.
>> Did we have a second? >> Any further discussion? >> Nope. >> All in favor? >> I >> I welcome back Samurai baseball. >> Who should I put down for the liaison for field pass? Um,
well, you can just tell him he's all set and we can give it to him when we have new leaison. Unless somebody else wants to be their liaison. You sure he didn't believe you weren't coming back? You sure you don't want to run? We can all write you in. You'll win.
>> Come on, Scott. >> I'm like, what's Scott going to do if we all write him in? He's going to be like, nope. where Paula came back for like how many times because everybody wrote her in. All good. Guess we'll just hold off on that.
He doesn't really need one. He can just contact you until he gets one. Um FLAA, >> are you satisfied with their times and requests? >> Well, it's much better than it has been. >> Mhm.
>> It's still kind of cod. It is >> because I'll guarantee you fields will be open on those times. >> Yep. >> And from the conversation Kenny had with FLA, they're looking someplace else.
>> Oh, yeah. >> Yep. >> I can't believe them. >> But had they been doing these field days annually like they were supposed to, >> right? you know, it wouldn't be $10,000 a field or $20,000 a field,
>> right? And they said we didn't they keep saying, you know, we didn't know we had to take care of them, but we've been saying that since the four years I've been here. It's your responsibility. It's your responsibility and nothing. So, >> I don't know. What does anybody else
think? >> I don't know. I I thought you were looking for a little more >> spec specificity. >> Yes. >> Specificity like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 5 to 8. >> Yeah. They're not going to be here
Tuesdays and Thursdays. It is the same basically just every time that you would ever use a field >> every daylight hour. >> Yeah. >> But they'll be paying more. >> But they will be paying more.
Right. Oh, which leads me to um they have their start date for 31626 and it goes to 116. So that's 8 months. So that's they combined both leagues into >> that's two two sessions. >> Yep.
>> And honestly, nobody should be on the fields until this board is satisfied that they're dry. >> Right. So March 16th, that's Monday. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because otherwise they'll go on as soon as they can. >> And you know, we've had this
conversation with soccer even when I was on the board that you know, if you trash them in the first week, those are your fields for the year. We're not going to come out there and >> fix them up cuz you decided to go out and play in the mud, >> right? >> You know, but that won't be the conversation that's put forth. They'll
be, "Oh, the parks department won't fix the fields, >> right? So, I don't know if you want to say the fields are closed until >> Yeah. >> You know, and and you can go on a field by field basis, you know, I mean, it doesn't have to be all the, you know, you can have someone go down and and
check the baseball fields and say, "No, the baseball fields are good or the softball fields are good or two of the three." >> Right. Right. Field one's okay to play on. Maybe field two and obviously field three would be later, >> you know. But um I'm I'm I'm just
I think everybody's itching to get outside. >> They are. >> And >> well, next week they won't be. >> I'm pretty sure. >> Yeah. Right. >> Um >> we'll go outside. It was snowing when I came in. >> It was snowing when I came in. I texted everybody. >> Yeah. >> Um so we need to let them know April 1st
they can start. >> Well, providing the fields are dry because it says right season 1, April to July. They texted, they filled in season one and they filled in season two, August to November.
>> So that should be a double. >> I can make that call if you want. >> Do you have FLA? Do you Who has FLA? >> Scott. >> I did at one point. >> Yeah. If you want to be the liazison for FLA. Sure.
Um, I'm just not It's like really new ground for me. But let me make Let me just make this call and tell them that the freelance is not going to be ready till April 1st. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, I'll call Amy or Andy. Andy Bern. >> Yeah. So, Andy was the one at our
meeting, right? >> Yeah. I'll call Andy and tell him. That's easy for me to do. >> Yeah. And you can just tell them all the fields. So, it's not just, you know, we're not just picking on baseball, right? >> It's all the fields. But we also need to tell them that this needs to end in July
and submit a new application for >> Oh, that's in right there including fall. >> Right. >> Right. July 1st. >> It's April 1st to the end of July. April, May, June, and July. >> All right. I'll make that call tomorrow.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> So, that applies to everybody. So, we got uh softball, >> soccer, baseball. >> All throws are on paper, >> right? But they're going to want to get out and practice. >> I think you should let them all know.
>> Yeah, you can send out the um just a email to all the leagues that the field is still wet. We're asking that you stay off them until >> April 1st. But soccer hasn't even turned in their forms yet, right?
>> No forms from soccer, Peter. Yeah. No forums from softball either, right? >> Not that I've seen. I know we had a meeting about a week and a half ago and Mark said he was planning on getting it over.
>> We're having some board >> member turn over. So maybe that's playing into it. >> Probably. It's never easy. >> No. >> Yep. We do. Anybody want to make a motion to accept FLAA's
application for one season 1 start beginning in April >> and we'll let them know that that's only one season. >> Well, how does the form get? Should we just make >> that a revised form? >> Go ahead, Noel. Make a motion.
>> I'll make a motion that we will accept as you said. >> Okay. Season 1, April 1st to July 31st. >> Okay. A second. >> Second. >> Any discussion? Go ahead, Carrie. Do you
want them to submit another form? >> No, I don't. I just It was an administrative question, Peter. How does that work? Like, if they're verbally told, "No, we're passing it for this, but they have this form on file." Like do you just email them and say you're only approved
till July 31st? >> We can we can Yeah, we can do it anyway. Yeah. >> So, uh yeah, we can take this to one. >> Okay. >> So, who seconded this? I
>> so that that so then we would be asking for an additional >> application for >> football >> and >> cuz isn't fall usually less kids >> usually. >> Yes. In general they lose to soccer.
>> Another another fee. for the feed. Yeah. See what they want to do. >> What? >> That's what everybody else is paying, right? >> Soccer place pays two two fees. Yeah.
>> Just, you know, it's obviously a huge >> difference >> for me. That's basically the $52, >> right? Um, so I looked, where did I do it? 2 4 6
+ 12 is 18. So, Samurai baseball uses 18 field hours a week and they pay the same per player as baseball plays 52 1/2 hours a week. So, they pay they play three times as
much. >> You got to remember you have different leagues and different age groups. You've got T-ball, you've got minor leagues, you've got major leagues, >> right? But it's still like per field hour. >> No, you know what I'm saying? Like they were complaining that they paid
$8,000, which isn't right. Justin kept referencing $8,000, which it isn't $8,000. >> It isn't $8,000. >> It's $3500, I thought. >> No, it's >> almost 6,000. >> Yeah. >> It had been 3,000. >> It was 3,000. >> It was 3,000. Yes.
>> He was he was saying it was going to go up to 8,000, >> right? >> By the per player, >> right? >> When they by the per player. >> That's correct. Right. So it's going to more than double. >> Right. >> Right. >> So, >> but when they were paying the fixed fee, was it for both seasons?
>> One season. >> Whole year. Yeah. The whole thing. >> Oh, >> yeah. So, it's a huge >> The fall league's probably about half the kids. >> Yeah. So, maybe together they'll be 8,000.
>> So, what's it going to be for the 230 kids? 30 * 6,000. It's $5,980. >> It's going to be close to $8,000 >> for both for the whole year. >> Yeah. >> But that's what soccer and softball
plays almost $8,000. >> Soccer does. They pay two separate registrations. >> Yeah. As long as we're treating everyone the same, being consistent. And it stinks that they go from paying a little bit to a lot, but they've been paying a little bit for all these. >> And they haven't been putting it into
the fields, have they? >> Nope. >> I know. >> You know, you can always say, well, if you want to work on some fields, maybe we can talk, >> right? And that's they did ask for that. >> I know. >> So, >> but I'm just saying maybe you could hold
that carrot. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I sent I sent Andrew, our town administrator, Andrew, the uh the John Pawn Park contract for when softball wanted to volunteer and make their
improvements. And I said, you know, what is it that we need? Like, they were asking what they have to do to be able to work on these fields. So, let's put something together. This is what Ari gave me years ago. Um, and he's like, I'll take a look at it and get it to you next week. So, he's going to put
something together and get it to us hopefully next week. >> Should I Should I not call Andy Burnout tomorrow? >> Well, I think we need to call them sooner than later. They think they're setting foot on the field on Monday. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'm going to tell them to hold the phone. Fields are not good. They're It's
going to trash them and just hold the phone with that. And and as you said, you're trying to get out of Andrew Sukforth what the terms would be. So I'll convey that >> for repairs. >> For repairs for volunteer repairs.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz once you like I said, I'm not sure how much worse we could get the fields, but if you're going to bring in bobcats and scrape things off, I'm sure the town's going to want something for when you rip up the sprinklers. Like it's your responsibility to fix them.
Although I'm getting good at it. All right. discuss plans for Lakeville Day. Yay. >> So, um, we have a motion and a second. >> Oh, we didn't vote. We stopped the discussion. All right. All in favor to
lease out our fields for FLAA for April 1st to July 31st. All in favor? I >> I >> I >> I >> I Okay, so April 1st to July 31st, FLA
is welcome. >> And then if their Cardinals team wants to use the fields, they need to contact us. They claim it's not them anymore, >> right? Lakeville Day. Okay, so
we always do Lakeville Day on a Sunday. So, we kept it on Sundays. And we always did Sundays because Lon Pond Lodge isn't usually booked on Sundays. Loon Pond Lodge is booked every Sunday, every day, every weekend day. So, we're still going to do it on Sunday, but they have a
bridal shower. So, what we're going to do is bring in the food trucks. Um, Schools Out Ice Cream is on board. And I emailed Dudes and Foods weeks ago and they never got back to me. So, I emailed them again and he's like, "Oh, I thought I messaged you." I do that all the time
and so I have tons of sympathy so they're on board and then we can pick one or two others. So I sent you I think I sent you four or five >> in my email links um >> fine with us having others cuz didn't we have some agreement that they could be
like >> exclusive and foods >> for the um last season we did have that they're the exclusive whatever. Did we ever get any like I know schools out sent us a check. Did dudes and foods ever send a check?
No. Maybe they lost their exclusivity. >> They lost their exclusivity. >> Well, that's not forever. >> No. And I think the event Lakeville Day is going to have more people than >> going to require us to have more than one food truck because school's out is
only ice cream. So that's not really any thing. >> Yeah. So, I talked to one food truck that suggested we only had two food trucks because, you know, and I get it because it's like 150 people to 200 people per food truck >> is what they estimate, but you don't
want people standing in huge lines to wait to get your food cuz that drives you crazy. >> Mhm. >> Um, so we have that. So, if you guys want to look at those those links that I sent you in my email and what you think. And then my next
question is switching to music in the pines. Do we want the same food trucks every week all August or do we want different food trucks every week all August? Of course, schools out ice cream because who
doesn't want an ice cream truck every weekend? I think people kind of so like I work in the city, right? And like there tends to be like, oh, this day it's this kind of food. I think people appreciate that like you can get
something different. >> Mhm. >> You know, like maybe you're in the mood for Thai one day and like the next day you're not. So, or I don't know, just picking a type of thing. I think I think mixing it up would be better than having the same two food trucks all the all the >> all the time. >> Yeah.
>> It's just more adventurous. >> Even if it's >> two this week, two different ones next week, and you bring back the two from the, you know, I mean, at least it's at least it's a little different, you know, >> something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Alternate. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. And my other question was, we got
the $1,000 grant from the arts council to bring in music and then we'll subsidize whatever is left from our vendors that we bring in for Lakeville Day and the um other musicians. So, I didn't know how big you wanted to go.
like we can bring in people that like nobody's ever heard of and stuff or I can try to get Sarah Martin to come in, but that's going to be a big chunk of that $1,000. >> You know, you look at it, you say maybe you have a smaller group and and
someone, >> you know, or or you have, you know, maybe the next time you do two medium sizes, you know. Yeah. So, that's what I was thinking at cuz I would like to kick off maybe with her because I think she
would be a huge draw for the town. >> That sounds like a good safe bet. >> Question. >> Yes. >> Where are you planning on putting them and what type of stage are you planning on have? >> So, flashback to Lakeville Day. We have
musicians from Lakeville Day that play in the Pines right there. >> The Pines is a great spot that's right. >> And then the jazz band usually plays behind Lon Pond Lodge in the gazebo. So obviously given the function at Lon Pond Lodge, they won't be able to do that. So we'll have to pull them up. And because
there's a function at Lon Pond Lodge, we're going to have to set up Lakeville Day going around the other way like we did for the um >> right the back side of the ice >> Wikin Festival. >> Yeah. So that side cuz Heather said that worked out perfectly
function that day. >> Yep. >> Good. No, that's good. >> So, um I'd like to if it's not dry enough to put the food trucks like right on the edge of the grass, then we'll put them in the maintenance area parking lot. And I'd like to do a I have to talk
to um Paul and see what he feels about this, but I'd like to do a 8 by eight foot like just a raised platform with the rails on three sides for the musicians to stand cuz at some reason it's always wet on Lakeville Day >> so that they're at least off the ground
with their equipment and stuff >> through the chair. >> I don't know. I don't remember the name of that fellow who played the guitar last year. He was amazing. >> Whoever he was, I think it would be worth having him also. >> Yeah. I'm going to see if he wants to
come back to Lakeville Day this year and then I'm going to ask see if he >> The other thing remember on your poles, I know you plan on going the other way around, but those poles have electricity. >> Yes. >> So, the ones in the pines do >> and the ones over by the botchi court
and onto the other side. I mean, obviously you're not going to use the run ones on the road, right? >> But those other ones do have electricity. Um, they were set up for camping, so they're at least 30 amp, >> right? Yeah. So, we've used those quite a bit. So, I guess that's all for my updates
for Lakeville Day and >> Music in the Pines. Right now, Peter and I turned in our roadway usage forms. So, they'll make their way throughout town and we'll get our final approval. So,
all right. I'm pretty excited. I don't know why, but but I might need help um bringing in vendors and organizations and stuff. I'll let you know. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um okay. Search on Clear Pond Park
director. Um Peter has reached out to Doug to see if he has any interest in coming back or if he would like to retire and we'll do like a big party for him in the beginning of the year. Um, we've posted it in another mascot.
PJ's contacted the namask to post it in there. So, next week hopefully I'll still be better. And um, >> so what was his decision? >> He is not responding. >> Oh, >> is it possible through the chair? Is it possible to post that on Facebook?
Blakeville helping Blakeville. >> Yeah. So, we're going to hang off till we get that answer from him. >> Okay. because that'll depend how it's we spin it when we're looking for new people, >> right? And and is there like a new position, an assistant
>> an assistant director? Yeah. So, I didn't >> I didn't >> I know you were holding off on those. >> Yeah. So, it was >> get the director first. >> It was just that we didn't have a pay scale for the assistant director, so that didn't get posted cuz it wasn't voted on by the select board. I did not
watch the select boards meeting on Tuesday yet to see if it was there um because it was supposed to be. So if it wasn't there, I will check into it and get it on there for the next one. I'll work with Lacy to pick up a um pay
scale. >> Yeah. What can you do? >> No, I was just curious. >> Um >> I think the the the primary factor is to get the director. director most important obviously. >> Yep. And then and then go from there. >> Yeah. >> You sort of want the director to be in on the
>> be involved in the in the search. Absolutely. >> Yeah. And that's what we always did for finding lifeguards. Like we always waited till we had the director and then >> Yeah. >> Anybody else have a leazison update? >> No update.
>> New business. >> You want to look at the budget update or not? >> Um yeah. So, it looks pretty good. I liked repairs and bait repairs and maintenance for buildings and grounds on the fourth one down on the back page. We
still have $15,000 left on that line item. And groundskeeping supplies, we still have $13,000 left on that item. >> That's usually where you spend your your uh your first grub control, >> a fertilizer. >> Fertilizer.
>> Yeah. I think I'm going to check with Frank. But I don't think we've done that. >> No, it's usually done in May or end of April. Uh beginning of May usually when they get them in here, >> right? >> I thought we only have done one lately
and cuz our >> Right. But if you know the grass is >> Right. I get it. >> Realizing it. >> Yeah. Um I think our cart finally died. >> Really? The golf cart? >> Yeah. Josh was driving it down the
driveway and he was like but then it go v. >> Is it worth trying to get fixed? >> It's been fixed like six times. >> Yes. >> It hasn't worked right since I've gotten here. So the softball, the one that we have, we got from I can get the contact
info if you want, but it was like a re I believe we got a refurbished one. There's a guy in Freetown that does them and I mean, he does the tuneup every year and >> it's been pretty bulletproof. >> It's driven by like
>> everyone different coaches, >> right? >> Yeah. So, you doesn't hurt to send me their contract information. It's just they're driven every day for hours a day and equipment thrown in the back brand new. >> That might be a good avenue as to an
annual tuneup because I think it's just been patchwork. >> Yeah. rather than rather than do maintenance on it. Preventative maintenance, >> right? Yeah. I don't know what I know in the winter everything gets sent over to the DPW when everybody's slow and they
do all their stuff on them then. Um, and I know they've come up with a list in the maintenance building. I guess I asked too many times of now things that they need, new garage doors, a drain in front of the doors because with all the snow melting and the water, it's all
coming in under the doors into the thing. And they're not wrong. I know they need new doors because when you push the button, sometimes it goes up, sometimes it comes down, sometimes it stops in the middle, then you got to wait a minute and then press the button again. So, it's just all things. But I I also know I looked at new garage doors
from my regular familysiz garage and it was $6,000 a door. So now I'm thinking this is like four to five times the size of my garage door. >> Double it. >> More than double it easy. >> But it's not just the door. It's also the the hardware, >> the frame and the motors.
>> That whole thing is probably I mean that's been there since that building's been up, >> right? >> You know, which has been probably 25 years, 30 years. So, it's just like another episode of kick the can cuz what can you do?
Okay. So, our next meetings are March 23rd. Just put all my papers away. March 26th, April 9th, and April 23rd. All here at 6:30. Is that still working for you?
>> Just make sure. Yep. Anybody have anything else? >> No new business. Anything else, Peter? >> You can think of no mail or anything? Can't think of anything. All right. What time is it? 8:10. Do we have a motion to adjurnn? I make a
motion to adjurnn. Any um discussion? 8:10. All adjourned. Thank you everybody. Have a good