##VIDEO ID:IDE1GjV385U## [Music] evening and welcome to the January 23rd 2025 Lakeville Park Commission meeting at the Council on Aging is there anyone other than Lake cam recording the meeting okay Peter announcements I have none you have none all right since everyone is here I'm going to skip the minutes we'll do that after um introduce Our Town manager Andrew sufor we have Mike Alis Town account and we have Kevin B from Middleboro Gas and Electric uh thank you for coming um I think we want to for time purposes talk to Kevin first so you can leave uh we had questions that Andrew and I started it and then we brought it up here and I don't know if I had the right answers or anything but we we really want to get more information on the EV Chargers that uh I think there were going to be four four propos four here and then four Town Hall oh so it be a total of eight yeah two stations with two ports on each side yeah yeah okay cars yep okay um so I'll open it up for questions I was just kind of curious about um is there a certain one it's a certain spot who maintains it is there Insurance anything to do with lighting all of that and what kind of EV Chargers would be there so if sure I'll open it and then anyone yeah it's it's a utility maker program so we're responsible for everything we will maintain we will do any repairs um they do come with warranties through I can't we have to put open bid but usually it's charge Point who comes back but they they provide warranties for you know manufacturing mistakes or anything like that but we we any physical damage it's covered under our insurance so it's no burden to to like B all um we chose that spot cuz for the grant it has to be Public public lot that's open to the public 24 hours a day 7 days a week um that was appealing because there's already a three-phase bank that's sitting on that pole right there that would require little to no connections at all okay um yeah and I I don't know I knew there was an issue before because there that's a polling facility over there so there was some issue about when those things were in use um per the grant they have to be available 24 hours a day they can uh and the wording you can for special events or occasions shut them down for 12 hours but they do have to be open and available for minimum 12 hours a day okay but again it's you know if someone pulls in votes takes off I mean you know the police can't issue a ticket so I know that was a concern there um now who does someone do you like have it for three years and then someone takes it over the lease or buys it or no it's our equipment um for the first three years we have to do all the reporting to the state and and give them all you know charging times charging sessions what the revenues collected off of that but then after the year three it becomes our solely and we're we're not doing any reporting it's it's it's it's our equipment um and is there any kind of uh so if there's anything happens to it you're you're responsible y it's it's it's all us whether you know if it's a mechanical defect in the machine charge point would have to fix it under their warranty if somebody comes by and puts a a nine iron to the face of it it's under iron Insurance middle Gas and Electric and signage signage uh we required to post that um they where would you it would be directly in front of the spots and it would say EV parking um I was speaking with Andrew before any Bank of chargers 20 or less 5% have to be dedicated to Ada so for a you know four ports 5% still going to equal one obviously that's 25% but you have to dedicate at least 5% to um disabilities but you cannot you cannot uh anybody who pulls up can use it it doesn't have to be reserved for someone with disabilities so you can't you know pull up and say you have to move that I you know I have a a Placer that's says I I'm in a wheelchair you you you can't reserve it it's open to anybody okay questions before I ask some more were there any changes since the last cuz this was a couple years in the works is it still the same plan same plan I met with the select board yeah that you were at that correct uh that this was AR's Grand child and then when he left and Bob took over Bob kind of back bured it he had too many other things yep cooking but um yeah nothing changed I have the old site licenses we would just have to update the dates and renew that but it's same verbage per same location same everything perfect thank you and when are you looking to install these when is this happening so the previous Grant we were rewarded expired I had to reapply through Mass evip it's a first come first serve so they do not give you when they're going to give approval so I replied what was that probably L late November probably November yeah late November so I'm waiting to hear back from them um once once they they award the grant then they'll ask for specifics and follow up on on you know specific details but right now we're still waiting to hear but it's 24 months from the day of award that you have to have them installed and operational so two years or so within the next two years are they all supercharged charged these are level two Chargers um they're you can install level two of your house it's a regular 240 service um the level 3es the ones that require you know a 408 bank and it's heavy duty but um these these ones are pretty pretty easy pretty pretty little draw so my point is how long I I've dealt with this before and but how long would it take to get a I know how long supercharges but how long does it take to get a full charge as compared to the supercharges how long will people be there yeah every battery size is different but it's typically 4 hours we can enforce a after 4our fee to keep keep people moving along but generally they charge up and get out of there as soon as they can no no especially in locations like these I couldn't foresee someone trying to leave it overnight it's not near a residential building oh no definitely not because I know obviously they find these charges on their screen their GPS to see where they the closest Chargers are which generally I'm I'm thinking you're not we're I don't see people around in Lakeville driving around coming in they usually have their own Chargers corre it's basically for people who would be like on 140 coming up and so I need to charge we're the closest one then they would come off the road correct that that's that's just my thought yeah and and you try to put it in locations that are you know higher foot traffic Town Hall has you know Plaza next door and you know people coming out of the office this one we like just because in the summertime it's probably I haven't been here in a while in the summertime but I'm sure it's plenty of foot traffic and with all the activities and events is there any thought of putting it at the police station lot because that's always lit it's a good location instead of putting it in an area where it's not a lot of traffic in the winter it was discussed there there's a there's a padon over there they they opted for this first just because it's it's ready to go if somebody came behind and said they would rather it over there we could just come out and do a site survey and and and figure out what it would take but I know there's a padmount over there so they just have to put a pass through underneath but if that was an option you want to it's easier to get to okay and I'm just this is me spitballing if I'm going down bford street or whatever I'm coming off the highway it's a lot easier than than coming off 140 and and and and coming down this way and it's it's open 24 hours and it's lit and uh so that's why I was just thinking because it is it gets gets dark out here yeah no it it's if if you wanted to change we we could we could work that out but I would have to reapply cuz I had to apply for exact they they me send a Google pinpoint of exactly where it's going to be because they study it that way so if somebody wanted to change you know we could work that out and I I would just have to reapply which would put it off a few months um Andrew is that a town decision I believe it is but I say if you guys no I'm saying I don't know what the how the Parks Commission feels but if we said it be better at the police station so we don't have a lot of traffic here and or whatever we would we would come to the board and recommend that's there and then would take it from there yeah we open to that I would wonder um you know just my spitball idea if we put it at the fire station if it goes there that way their building plan can accommodate for it and they'll have a certain section for it instead of squeezing it in somewhere if that's feasible so I haven't seen the plans for the fire station but I know with the new stretch code I yeah I'm going to guess they're going to be asked to put in accommodations for that in the future okay so they were just be additional they more and that would be on them that's why the police station makes more sense because it's ready to go yeah and um so this is just us making accommodation to the people who have electric vehicles as far as the parks go correct this is all through Mass EV trying to make people a little more comfortable with the idea of switching electric vehicle so they're they're throwing money wherever they can to get these charges popping up and having people adopt that you technology I guess so and I I read in the paper that they stopped the $30 million grants in Massachusetts does that affect you at all this no this one came off a settlement from Volkswagen I they did something with their cataler converters and they got a huge huge f i remember that so that that money is reserved for these so there's no worry after that okay does anyone have any other questions no thank you very much we'll we'll we'll talk about it some point and then we we'll let the town know and and if a a site location is determined that you want to change it I can work that out Andrew yeah sounds good great yeah I'll be in contact all right thank you very much for coming thank you okay Andrew and Miker here um IID asked him to come here because I don't think we really had a sit down talking about whether it's either budgets or processes or procedures and now we have the um it's been brought up about the Enterprise fund and so I don't know if we got all the right answers correct answers so I I'd rather have it come from from you two about so my my thought was is one what is a true Enterprise fund okay I mean a true Enterprise fund it looks to seem like we have an h a hybrid okay meaning we we have this and then we get a little this and whatever and uh so and then of course with the benefits and what what not the benefits I think there's concern here about budgets there's concern about control and so I think the select board will probably bring it up again so I think it's important that is that true Brian you're going to bring that up again okay um so if you can start with that yeah so an Enterprise fund is a voted 53e and a half uh 53 F and a half I'm sorry uh by Master General law um an Enterprise fund should be self- sustaining um it's really just a separate accounting and financial reporting mechanism um so essentially all your your financial statements are housed separately from the general fund um you have your own budget just like a departmental budget but you're Standalone as far as that goes um and really it's self- sustaining whereas a fee or user charge is charged and that supports your Enterprise fund whereas the general fund is supported by predominantly the tax levy and local receipts so when you say a fear or user what are you talking about um a good analogy would be a sewer fund a sewer Enterprise fund would be self- sustaining based off the sewer bills that go out so oh the the budget for the sewer and the sewer infrastructure would be sustained by the rate payers that are on that sewer system so that's an example so really you want to you know operate your budget with the revenue you make from Lon Pond or the MMA or any other Revenue sources you have so are you saying put that in a separate fund than a regular budget if you're voted a 53 F and a half Enterprise fund that already is and has been for a while okay so your Revenue your expenses still with your Enterprise fund all right um and and as far as um what I had talked to about a hybrid what what restrictions are there as an Enterprise fund well I want to be there's no such thing as a hybrid there's either an Enterprise fund well I'm saying what it kind of looks like to me are we a true enter are we a true Enterprise fund or are we kind of you're a true Enterprise fund because you were voted as one okay um but it's not to say you're you're being subsidized by the general fund because as I mentioned you're not self- sustaining so you're you know essentially getting a transfer from general fund money to help sustain your Enterprise fund so and is that normal uh it's hard to say I mean okay you'd probably have to do a study on other Enterprise funds my experience it was not normal um the previous town I came from had two fully functioning Enterprise funds that self-supported themselves so what were they it was a landfill fully functioning landfill Enterprise fund and a sewer Enterprise fund okay um before I go on any questions um so being that we're working on a a budget right now now we have we have uh two Capital outlays One is from retained earnings from us which is generally 20 grand which is what we use now there's uh free cash which is coming up that the town uses for the Departments for whatever needs capital projects and that so are we being that is Town money do we have access to that the town can use its free cash however town meeting vote allows so if the town wants to fund a capital projects for the park it could use the free cash for that we can use the free cash for that also use the free cash as it has been being used to subsidize the operating budget which is what the practice was before I started two months ago so if we put in I'm just throwing out numbers if we say we want 150 for Clear fond and we can make that presentation to the to the capital expenditures committee and say we would like this for signing a funding source of free cash you could present that yes okay obviously have to be voted but oh no no but I'm saying the are important to us because we don't have a lot of revenue streams to do these things yeah I it's also I've seen in my experience with Enterprise fund we've borrowed for an Enterprise fund project and paid 50% of the debt out of the Enterprise and 50% out of the general fund it's you can you've intermingled Town funds with the Enterprise fund you just can't go in the other direction you can't use retained earnings to help subsidize General funds so and technically isn't that that free cash that we get that's available in the fall too correct yes it's after you close the books it's typically in the fall sometime in August or September y so if anything happen in the meantime we don't technically have to wait till April to ask for more money we could ask for it in September October you no matter what it is Enterprise Point or not you need a time meeting vote right so but I'm saying if you have one in November yeah you could put one on a fall town meeting so we would have to go to the capital expenditure committee again and say and then go forward or is this something we come to the town with only being here a few months I'm not quite sure how the capital expenditure committee and everything lines up I think that would be your first step from what I understand um to present your case for your Capital project and then I would imagine you go through finance committee and of course the board is selecting before it gets to town meeting floor but yes it would follow okay that process any other questions before I ask more no go right ahead okay um let's just say we de Enterprise okay and it comes here tell me what tell me what our what you see us doing because I know there's other ones our our control of the budget our policies our you know everything we're doing now is we go out and get our own Revenue we set our own budget for expenses you know it's it's it's it's a business but what I'm saying is if if we de Enterprise then we would still do the budget and then give it to you for approval is that how that works uh you I wouldn't say you'd give it to me for approval uh you'd give it to me to be built as part of the overall general fund budget um but you would still follow that same course of action except you would now be a department within the general fund you wouldn't be a standalone Park Enterprise fund um but you would have you know you would meet with Andrew and I during budget season and have say over your expenditure lines um you know as I as I mentioned at the beginning it's just a accounting reporting mechanism M so instead of being reported in a column that says Enterprise fund you would just be reported in with the general fund but as far as your processes go your Revenue your expenditures you would follow the same course of action we would still do what we're continuing to doing except I mean obviously we couldn't spend more money than what was in the budget yeah you yeah you would still operate within your budget but yes you would just be another dep Department within the general fund operating budget okay and um so say we do this and we we do a $400,000 budget we're getting you know L Pond we're getting money from here when we want to do other things so there's still the possibility that you would say now we can't do this and you could cut it or is that I I'm trying to figure out how how I I know you probably do it with obviously it's a school budget and and um I know the assessors have on the planning board but what what would that look like well I want to say that could happen anyways because as we mentioned you're being subsidized uh from the general fund so if that subsidy wasn't available on the general fund you would have to make Cuts whether you were an Enterprise fund or you're deenterprises of the revenue you bring in so that the cuts Could Happen whether you you choose to De Enterprise or not um but yes I mean if we had a good year in the general fund operating budget and we had a surplus of revenues and you wanted to ask for a little more that year that's a possibility if you were part of the general f operating budget so you're saying now is that um that being we're kind of we are a part of the of the Town budget and stuff it can still be cut is that what you said it could still be cut if you were if you stay an Enterprise fund you know there's no okay yeah it's it could always be cut I mean you may not have as strong of a year you may lose a tenant here um and you may have to be forced to cut it could be cut whether you stay prise fund or not okay and say the septic system goes or we need a new roof or Lon Pond that would be the town's responsibility we wouldn't have to put it in the budget correct um you would have so Enterprise funds are allowed to have a you know a reserve fund for unforeseen costs that arise if you were part of the general fund and it was approved by Board of selectman to tap into say your reserve fun if you didn't have it in the budget to fix a septic issue then yes you could tap into the general fund Reserve fund if you were part of that if you were part of the general fund in De press okay but as an Enterprise if our septic went we had to pay 60,000 what are our options utilize what you have in retained earnings which I believe is about $40,000 at the moment and try to fund a portion of it out of your operating budget or again the general fund would have to step in and help subsidize the project question of course um you had mentioned that as an Enterprise our budget could still be cut um is that the 175 that the town subsidizes Clear Pond that can be cut yes it could be if we if we couldn't afford it on the town side or that's what they voted to not do yes and then the other Cuts you mentioned like if a tenant leaves then we would have to cut our budget because that cut but I think the question more was when we go to the finance committee the finance committee can cut an Enterprise budget I in my experience they could cut the Enterprise fund budget you know whether it was de enterprisedb that'ss cut and questioned Enterprise budgets cut by the town yeah absolutely yeah thank you that's great I mean I'm sure question I don't have question so is there um in I know in can Andrew can you explain Middleboro to me one time I know they have a donor fund they don't have an Enterprise fund is that correct no they have a series of evolving account so they have an operating where they pay most of their um salary salaried people they have some of their expenses like Corine for the pool then they have like revolving accounts and then they have gi funds now is that all from Park revenue these accounts the gift and the uh revolving is the operating comes out of the general fund in so can you just explain the donor fund to me yeah it's just like you could put a sign up on the front of the park building says please donate it's like it's like look at it's like the animal shelter people just donate to the animal shelter at all times people do that for the parks in different towns no we couldn't do that we couldn't I thought we couldn't do that because we're a town entity not a friend group so we can't solicit donations I think you probably have to set up a specific gift account to do we have a gift account for when people make donations to us we do have an account for that but we don't solicit yeah I wouldn't know I call necessarily solicitations that we went through because we wanted to do bricks for the walkway and we were told we couldn't do that cuz that was asking for donations to build the walkway I don't know I've seen other communities do it so I don't know have to research I think a lot of them use friend groups really good talking because our libraries used a friend group to do that the school has used the PTO to do that and Friends group is difficult you know I mean people to do it takes time but uh there are many ways that we would love to raise money but as Melissa said we were said we can't but if that's plausible that's huge for us because there's a lot of things that we need that we don't need necessarily when I have to yeah I can reach out I know when I was in Taunton they used to send out like when they send out the bills they send out like four or five slips and say like you can donate to these four or five accounts now I don't know if those accounts were tied to necessarily the city or they were tied to like gift or friends groups you know so I don't know yeah that would be great if you can uh yeah and then obviously mid has a back stop par trustees which is like a historic guy donation um oh I see what you're saying fanthropic he he obviously was from the 1800s but he he left like $5 million in an account it grows over the years they have a trustees account and then they just you need a million dollars or something they can can do it wow so it's it's a little bit different than we have to find someone I know who's got a lot of crypto Bitcoin no know does anyone have any questions uh separate from the Enterprise fund I know um not too many people deal with Andrew or Michael because they're they're not a chair or not involved in a project or anything anyone have any questions of the way I know Britney you had a question about why we pay for things here yeah my biggest thing and I guess I don't understand the reason behind it is the payroll we pay payroll for a DPW employee because the work they do is solely for the park but there's still a DPW employee so it just sounds really weird to me you know coming into it yeah um that was actually brought to my attention today um so typically what you would do is if you would either hire them as a soulle Park employee or you would pay an indirect cost back to the general fund to offset the salary since he's 100% working in the park my suggestion would be that you make him a Park employee because it would just be foolish to send 100% of his salary from One Fund to the other you just appropriated in the park um so basically we're the ones who were responsible for what he does instruction instead of Frank giving him assignments on the DPW uh because before we used to tell Frank hey we need him to do this this and this and then because Frank gives them other things to do yeah I'm I'm not familiar with his day-to-day so I I mean yeah I mean I'm happy with Frank taking care of what he's doing but uh but I heard that also that um there was a there was an issue I don't know if it's a human resource issu that he should be our employee and not necessarily with the DPW unless he works 20% for the DPW and we have to move money over or or whatever theoretically anytime any employee that's not funded in the Enterprise fund works on the Enterprise fund a portion of their salary should be charged via indirect cost to the Enterprise fund right whether it's your town accountant your town administrator or or anyone uh that's that's something that's not will even handled yeah correctly right so so to save money is just don't call you guys and it's not just salary it could be Insurance it could be the audit it could be fringe benefits um so right yeah his salary is so big and I feel like correct me if I'm wrong if we didn't if we weren't responsible for that we would be within our budget but they're not saying that you're not going to be responsible for that if we were if we MH right so but I think it's important to know that it would come one way or the other so right if we were self- sustaining Enterprise fund you know you if we didn't have it budgeted in the park budget You' would probably build an indirect cost for the same dollar value as I said that would just be it' be right and I can tell you the reason that it's under the DPW is because the DPW maintains all of our equipment so they didn't want we buy it but not all of it but they didn't want Park employees using the machines breaking the machines and then saying here fix this it was just this way everybody's trained on the machines everybody's licensed the DPW takes care of all that and they order all the stuff so it works out like we pay Ryan they take care of stuff so it kind of One hand washes the other and if Frank's got stuff to do great so it it's it's a good relation ship but I just don't know I know it was Lisa who brought that up Lisa Lacy Lacy Lis I'm sorry it was Lacy who brought it up I think uh I believe so okay yeah I think we only do indirects of what 5,000 a year yeah and it's uh a small percentage of a group of salaries you know so it's not where it should be but so if we were to De Enterprise we would have the multiple different funds like you were explaining so we would have our revolving account where our income is being put into that we would use that money for the parks and then another account that you said would be set aside for payroll and things like that that would come out of the general fund so we could put Ryan the maintenance person salary on that and then if we can't get money from the general fund you guys are going to have to figure out if we de Enterprise correct me if I'm wrong the town would pay those salaries well that's what I'm saying yeah you'd be you'd be a department within the general fund right now you're the park operating budget you would be a department within the general fund operating just like accounting Administration yeah yeah so all your indirects would you would obviously have an indirect that would all go away um but I just want to be clear too you would have to you know establish a revolving fund right right to keep yeah they're not giving you money for that you have to earn money for that well that would be the the Lo upon launch money and everything maybe oh until it was established it would be a general fund receipt so it would go into the general the rest of right all right do you have any questions for us you do you want us to do anything differently or accounting wise or I I I Envision that one of many conversations we'll have on it I don't I don't want to just impose it on you guys obviously has be a time meeting vote and just we we didn't know a lot about it just what we kind of heard but knowing what you said it gives us a uh a better understanding if this comes up again and we got to vote on it and all that so well that might give us a better understanding of the finances which we had already discussed but I haven't heard like what it means like for the day-to-day operation of the parks I know the money will come from the town if we de Enterprise but what what else like what else changes not a whole we'd have to come up with our own budget and we'd have to bring it to the town and they would have to okay it right but that's no we're talking about day-to-day like policies and leagues um you we talked about Ryan's payroll coming moving him to the park so then would we have to hire another person would we have to buy our own machinery would we have to like there's a lot of little pieces that we have to like talk about and discuss this isn't just a let's bring it to a town meeting and get a vote and poof it's going to happen like there's a lot of little pieces who's going to pump the bathrooms on a Saturday who's going to come in and check this who's going to fix the heat when it goes off at martial arts who's going to run down and turn the lights on when they shut off in the middle of the night at volleyball well 9:30 middle of the night for Me Maybe from what understand I think we still do that we would still do that unless we put in the budget to have someone do it yeah I agree with Scott like I'm if this like this is it's not our child it's but it's kind of is like we live the parks we're here all the time we do that because this is like our thing if it becomes the town's thing I'm not doing that like I don't get paid Jack I'm not running down here in the middle of the night to turn lights on turn lights off fix bathrooms do that like well all of that sounds like maintenance stuff and if we have a maintenance employee that we're paying why isn't that person doing you're not paying them 24/7 you're paying them Monday through Friday 8 to 4: yeah right night times it's us weekends it's us so then if we have to hire more employees that's more money and then is that coming out of the park budget because we don't want to lose that money in the park budget for other employees like it's a whole big spiderweb of this and that that's going to take more than two conversations and a town vote to work out well I mean basically what we have to do is we say we need we need someone to be available like a like a a weekend guy it's got to be around on call and night kind and that would have to go in the budget and then you guys we would have to send it to you and you guys would have to say yes you can hire that person so there's someone available 247 or someone on call that's the only way am I correct yeah but that's like a 247 on call you're talking at least 60 Grand you lose that out of a park budget I'm not I'm I'm saying is if it's the Enterprises the town would have to pay for that yes that's all but that's all you got extra 60 Grand laye around yeah well it would be even more than that if they ended up doing the director yeah it would be double possibly yeah yeah I should say I would love to blame someone say the Enterprise account is is really just an accounting and Reporting structure it's got nothing really to do with control of right really anything with the parks so I wouldn't really enion much changing other than like I said the accounting and just the accounting of it yeah so the parks the Parks Commission is going to continue to do what they're doing unless we put someone in the budget to say we don't want to do this anymore yeah that'd be a polic policy decision on your y okay any other questions thank you very much I really appreciate you guys working after work and coming to see us and for all your support cuz I know your doors always open calls unless we still have to stop paying you for it and then we'll have to consolidate yeah yeah can't wait for that well thank you this not enough okay review and approved minutes of January 9th 2025 anyone see anything I had a few small things um item number eight third sentence in it says on camera should be one camera on a zoomable camera got it um item number 12 third sentence as well um polls not replaced last year should be replaced and then item number 13 second sentence um the volley Nets and pads should that be volleyball yep that's what I got on back to item 12 is it this was one of the three polls not replaced last year is that what we just changed to be replaced this was one of three poles not replaced last year right oh you just want to put a a yes exactly I'm like no it was one of the B sorry any other Corrections want to make an appro motion to approve the minutes there was one right here in the um item 12 still it said the lights will cost between 10,000 and 12,000 Paul NE thinks that the shed will not only will only need a roof repair I think that was me did Paul say that I think it was you I think it was me when we were down there because we looked at the structure and then uh we said oh it just professional opinion put that on yeah okay motion to approve oh I have motion to approve the minutes of January 9th that's soed as so amended second second all in favor I okay review impossible vote on 2025 leag fee schedule so what I want to do because I don't really want to get into a lengthy discussion if we don't have to I just want to do a straw pull to see if um is there anyone here who is is not considering doing any kind of an increase just you okay are we talking regular season are we talking tournament I'm not I'm just talking about the regular participation fees so it's just Scott okay you sure motion I'm not sure about much but okay all right so we will go forward um we did the the accounting part of it um there's uh 1375 participants if we did a dollar increase it would be an extra 133 $75 if we did a.50 C increase it's like an extra $687 so that's how much it would bring to our coffers uh we know the expenses I did talk to um Mark Tisdale and Chris bores in regards to what they charge and what their expenses are they're both pretty much in the same boat they charge 150 and then they're in a whole 20 55 so it's about cost them $ 175 including our fees that's for uniforms umpires are $90 Scott we have to get in that business again uh Insurance equipment fees to the softball organization soccer is the exact same way so if there's concern about doing any raising that's where they stand financially um so we got to decide if the 13 75 is worth it for a dollar or the 687 is worth it for 50 cents it's really not going to make the dent in our budget as far as expenses go so to me it's more of a philosophy thing or I'm I'm always for raising every year because costs go up our costs go up our our Park employee 3% increase insurance goes up fertilizers go up everything goes up so I'm a Chinese water torture guy I believe in Dripping slowly but every year instead of not doing anything and then something happens and costs go up and God forbid Lon Pond or something and then we got to raise it so I think in in normal in in normal circumstances in businesses and as you know in restaurants are everywhere if it costs us more we need to push we have to we have to uh move part of that to our consumer so um I don't know anyone thought what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a motion and then we can go from there well before you make a motion can I ask you had said last meeting 177% you wanted it what is that 17% well it's it's going to be it's going to be up more now more towards 20 something per because our budget this year is going to be bigger than last year because of repairs and maintenance uh we're getting bills kicked back to us from Paul KN um the the unknowns we're we're we're going to have to put more money in repairs and maintenance because we're having problems with our septic we're having problems with the heater air conditioning in karate studio and anything that happens at Lon Pond like if their ventilation motor burns out or anything like that we're responsible now we don't have a we don't have a fund we don't fund a fund for these things we don't have the money for it the only thing we have is is capital from retained earnings but that's got to be approved by Town beforehand so we don't have a slush fund I mean look what just happened with the polls that's going to cost us 10 grand that's got to come out of somewhere fortunately we have that other thing but we may not have it next year so it's my it's my thought that we're gonna raise this higher I didn't know what fertilizer was going to be this year um so so I after seeing that and after listening to them I I there's no way we can hold it to where we are now but my thought is also it's only an extra $1,300 so if everyone's against doing it to them to put them more in the hole then I understand that if people agree with me saying I think should go up every year that's great too so I mean I don't think a dollar will hurt him or 50 I mean at 1375 will pay for a bunch of stuff for us um so that that's where I am motion you make a motion I'd like to see the fee go to $30 a player okay I like that I'll second it discussion yeah that's not going to happen what if well he made the motion I know he did so we're discussing okay um what if we did it 25 this year how much is it now 24 24 oh and then if you want to go to 30 say all right for 26 it's going to $30 it equals $7,800 increase that's all that $6 a player gets and you going have a hard time selling it to people playing out on the fields that they got to pay for repairs to the lodge just telling you yeah and I we should have we should have asked Andrew while he was here because I don't think we pay for repairs like that inside Lon Pon lodge because they're supposed to pay for normal repairs normal wear and bathroom repairs right they're supposed to pay for that not us that's part of the contract I not from what I read and two is we are responsible for the building if something happens to the roof that's ours well the roof's a different story right or if the whatever but from anyway I read it maybe I read it wrong right um and but the select boy has said a precedent and we should have asked while they were here and I meant to and I forgot um where they took control away from who uses the lodge because for contract and they take care of the contract they have taken over more or less the running of loon Pond Lodge so they may be taking over the those repair responsibilities as well which is something we'll have to see as this whole thing goes further because the problem is is that none of the Town departments put anything that has to do with the parks in their budget like Paul NE there's nothing in his budget that he does as far as any equipment anything that has to do with the parks so when I'm talking about toilets and sinks that's coming out of us yes no they were supposed to pay for it well well you can you can listen I listen I hope that's great but Scott I think you're misunderstanding me I'm not looking to raise it to um to cover what I just said I'm only looking to raise it for the expenses that we incur for taking care of the fields like we have a full-time guy who generally all he does is take care of the fields if we didn't have soccer field I mean that's all he does is M the soccer baseball we use our money pretty much for fertilizer equipment to to use um if it's a mower they need parts we pay for it and that that's more money so or insurance for our guy so when I say an extra $1,300 that that doesn't cover much but it's going to help us with to pay for our employee any repairs and maintenance that that kind of Point that's why I'm saying that I'm not talking about putting a new roof on I'm just saying I think we have to if it's costing us more money where do we get the money from more leagues more kids more more more more not very the same ones however I would consider a dollar increase and that would give you a 13775 with what we are projecting now and that would cover your sprinkler heads and the sprinkler repairs that you have to do out back before the season starts you're really saying that I am I'll give you a dollar just to remind you there's a motion on the floor thank you okay you seconded it I seconded it we just had discussion okay roll call vote on the motion for Scott Alissa no yes he doesn't feel no no I abstain all right dude okay do we have another motion I motion I no I motion to increase the user fee to $25 up $1 for the 2025 Seasons second okay roll call vote Melissa discussion who a discussion any discussion oh Carrie did car did okay sorry any discussion okay roll call vote Melissa yes Scott no carry yes yes and I'm yes motion pass you abstain for that one you didn't abstain for that one well because I already lost it was already decided motion passes um okay if you're serious about increasing them for 2026 maybe we should vote on that now nope so now we go to the per player fee that's what we just voted on that's what we just it's the participation fee oh I'm looking at it separately so everything went up a dollar so 24 is now 25 two is three no yeah we have other things we got to deal with like tournament people who play it's right that's what I just said tournament per player fee no we're just talking about the league fees the regular season per player fee on line one okay okay right so now 25 all right R you imposs vote on 2025 application for Field Court Time Peter are we doing any else on the well that's what I just saying so now we move on to the well okay I thought we were going to follow this okay so let's go to the tournament hold on um well right now we have go ahead we have two you still to finish the seat schedule that's what she's asking oh that's what she's asking yeah we haven't we only did one must be the night okay tourament per player fee that's $2 now if the tournament is for a league already approv for regular season play and it's $10 per player for all other groups like when we had the Revolution and people who aren't affiliate with um with the leagues that we have cont with I think I'm going to need more explanation than that why is every why are we paying two different prices um because our in town leagues are we assume that it's in town people okay so they pay the cheaper rate of $2 player they're already paying the participation fee like if softball had a little tournament the regular but they're bringing if softball's hting a turn tournament they're bringing players from other towns to play in the tournament yes so is the $10 for the other towns no it's the $2 for that tournament okay and then you can make that money okay if you so choose right and then if you just do like if softball doesn't but another softball person comes in and says we want to have us fields for tournament we're like sure we do we have other mhm inquiries little FYI that $2 has been the same thing ever since it was put into operation just to let you know so it's classic classic okay so did we do the math on that to see what we would need it to be to get us out of the hole a little bit I don't think we're not going to come out of the hole no this isn't this isn't anything we're not we we don't get we don't do a lot of tournaments here but if you went up 41 on the $24 you got to go up something oh yeah I definitely think we should go up we have to that's 82 cents okay so $3 per player and $12 per for all of the groups I know the math doesn't add up he's coming up with the ratio should we do just $1 on one and $2 on the other well the other one to me doesn't really matter because it's outside people yeah do we get a lot of those we get some yeah yeah although yeah is that clarifying question is that tournaments and camps and Clinics yes like the revolution over here yeah cuz we used to have just tournaments and then we found out we had clinic so then we to add clinics and now we have a camp that wants to come in so right so just when we post this out externally we should probably add that here yeah it's on the application I think we adjusted that already yeah we'll have to add camps believe that was one of the suggestions a camp come as a clinic all right anyone to make any motions you go ahead I make a motion that we raised the tournament per player fee by a dollar to three and to raise for from $10 to $12 per player for outside groups second I need a second any discussion roll call i i i i i motion passes Peter next event per person participation particip fee it says 750 and then to 10 10 but we just I think we just set a precedent with the trifest to $8 um which I think I think that's what we should keep just went up 50 cents and um so I want to make a motion that we raise the event per person for the partition patient fee to $8 per person we've already done that did we vote on it we didn't vot we voted on that one application yeah but we didn't vote on the only application we have no but if in case anyone else comes in okay I motion that we increase the event per person for events to $8 second discussion Melissa I Scott I hi hi I motion passes Peter again I'm s who checking at that I did Britney sorry me and Carrie we're too soft spoken I was suck I was behind you don't argue you can take it okay flat fee and L of per player fee that's all your stuff you all right with that CU I think they they overpay all of them anyway yeah so we good with status quo yeah I mean you we raised um yeah the Athletic Association twice since it was initiated y it was 2000 so you going to make a motion and beach volleyball they're paying for about 10 kids so that's great and they pay for their electric and stuff now so that's the way they wanted it they made the proposal and we went thank you a motion to keep fla and flaa and New England beach volleyball as the current prices I second all in favor I I I motion passes field uses lights may I suggest that on the the rest of these things table well no I just say just oh yeah the rest of it just say no change no change yeah so if we don't vote or discuss it stays no change correct right yes okay well no just to vote to leave it no vote no change vote to not change this next fiscal year I motion not to change fi usage lights field usage field usage for 2025 second discussion all in favor I I motion passes so we're done yes okay all right review imp possible vote on 2025 application for Field Court time I know we went over at last meeting Peter um yes the main thing that was still uh up for discussion obviously the uh I'll change the figures under the rates on page two to reflect the decisions that we just made um but the main thing we were discussing was still the how to handle the park usage fee and uh I trust you saw the email I sent out after after that discussion after thinking about it all again and all the complications of I reserved the right to change my mind I originally said we should keep the 5% discount and my thought here is we should just forget the whole thing just kind of complicated and just uh the idea here is that we'll when when someone applies they would uh and it's approv them an invoice for their per player cost plus their estimated uh field usage fee and at the end of the year we would make an adjustment with either a charge or a credit and just keep it real simple that's fine I just say that we overestimate so you give them a credit and don't charge them you're going to base it on last year's actual that's what I was thinking of doing yeah yeah I mean that makes sense I mean that's right the best thing you have right plus like 10% or just do it just take off the you know what I'm saying well honestly I think if you just if you just do it that way you just charge them last years right you charge them last years and we stipulate the fact that we will reevaluate what it is at the end of the year and if there's a credit there you'll get a credit or a payment or and otherwise you'll you'll get a small Bill charge but so that they know it up front what it's going to be and that way we eliminate losing the 5% and never getting a chance to recoup it well there's not going to be the 5% discount anymore that's what I'm saying you eliminate losing the 5% discount right yep it's just it's very plus it's it's more work for you and it doesn't need to be it's just clear and clean the reasoning behind it was to get people on board and paying so I think we've got them there hopefully hope um we had talked about putting somewhere on here that they can't play the next season if they have an outstanding bill do we want to still put that somewhere personally I think you can just consider that when the approval when they when they apply for the next yes we can deny deny say you're we can't approve this until you catch up on your bill I think that makes sense rather than we could send him a reminder notice after this evening too yeah okay they think someone else paid it president I didn't pay it you paid it right so maybe when we send them the applications we can do that um somebody did approach me and said um where it says schedule season 1 April to July season 2 August to November a third box that says like other four month period because we do have some people that that cross over yeah yeah they have actually have the showest ceas the all they just happen to cross over because they're playing between school and that's I'm I'm just going to that's one of them is women's bloop ball they play from the end of June to middle of August they play a little over two months maybe 10 weeks it's a good idea I mean yeah put other that's fine because I mean there's no reason that they should have to pay for two sessions just because they cross over and we get questions about no I know no no no no it's a good point it's a good point I'm just I'm just iterating where that problem is and it's mainly mainly with them but um I mean it would also I guess uh stem to co-ed blooper ball right cuz they start early too um and then Carrie had been talking about I think the last meeting too it should be tournaments clinics Camp camps and have camps that's the next one that's the next one there oh yeah oh oh yes right I yeah I know what you're saying so on the application that we're looking at it should also say Camp too right I don't know the difference between it I just know was said under rates and fees the third bullet um and also schedules yes got you on the second page for that second page under race anywhere where it says tournaments just make sure it says all three the back page no back page of one okay thank you I'm sorry I'm a little so rates and fees the third bullet and then under schedu is the second bullet yep good catch and the per person fees is going up so the first bullet the third bullet and I'm still missing this where you see it it's right it's this right here tournaments you just got rid of that huh tournament clinics and Camp right right the tournaments clinics in can't $2 or $10 aren they well for in town CU this is an in town application but so we might want to just get rid of that tournaments $2 per player because this is a season one right and this is the tournament one correct I mean but it's just it's just letting them know that it's this cost extra this this does does not include tournaments yeah yeah they need to know yeah I should make a note separate application now I see it took me a while too I'm like I don't understand just letting me take the heat all right so I motion that we approve this field time application for 2025 with those few minor changes second discussion all in favor I I I motion pass here perfect thank you thank you Peter number six R you impossible vote on 2025 request for tournament Clinic Peter just have to change the the fees to reflect the changes that we just made in the feed schedule and other than that I think it's [Applause] go um the second sentence in that first paragraph um must request the request must be received for being held at TWC or jpp didn't we talk about putting and commission the new fields on there per being held ATC or PP or commissioner Fields I think it was we had talked about wall fields or something like that putting we did it on here or you could say all fields at Ted Camp was it the other application we talked about it was the other application and you put it in at location it's Ted Williams Camp commissioner field and John pwn Park can I ask a question yeah and maybe we I don't remember today so maybe we agreed to this last time but so we're ask asking for I know we just voted on this and it's going to be this way but we're asking for 30 days notice for a regular season and 45 for a camp uh good question we didn't think about the camp ones last time I didn't bring up the camp last Camp ones we've really we haven't had a problem okay um we had a couple years ago we had a problem them not seeing anything right but we we've talked to each and we haven't had a problem okay cuz um horseshoes too one year they didn't turn in their applications till like two and we were like right and and one time Saka had a clinic and they were going to do something to the fields just one time no just one time but I mean that's right that's the whole reason behind this right and because like last time we had a clinic a softball tournament we had a horseshoe tournament and we had a volleyball tournament all in the the same day it wasn't a big deal it was just we a lot right but we got to look at is we didn't know if there's a wedding here too you know is we a wedding here well it's going to be kind of tough if they're having a wedding of 250 people and you get a hor tournament in a volleyball tournament you know I mean you got to say no to somebody right you know so it would be the first one in would would maybe get the nod but yeah I mean because there's not a lot of parking over there yeah so it's going to overflow to other places we had to um the trash could go like when they came to get the trash we couldn't put in the dumpster like they had to come and empty the dumpster and then we had to wait for the new dumpster and then we had to put all the trash in so it was just I mean I'm not saying we wouldn't do it again I'm just saying it was just we some notice that we could have prepared for the extra dumpster empty and Y all that stuff I vote to accept the 2025 request for tournament clinics and camps with the fee changes second discussion all in favor I I motion pass break it discuss some possible vote on request for event Eric Stanley we know Eric he's um he is requesting a flag football camp on April 14th to the 17th that's April vacation that's a Monday through Thursday uh he says he put together an au flag team and I know he's doing something in Taunton the kids love it and ask for more ideally we' like to be able to use the mainfield area at Ted Williams if not I would consider other options expectations no idea rough guess I'd like to see 20 to 30 kids obviously we have the fields the dates aren't don't mean anything and I think he's doing it from 9 to 11 9 to 11 so yeah there's there's field plenty of field space so it's just a matter of where he wants to do it or not because I don't for what do you say u8s I mean that that the old U10 soccer field would be the ideal for that age group you know it's probably the field that's in the best shape exactly you know I mean this isn't going to conflict with anybody at 9 to 11 in the morning we just let soccer know that that Field's not available 9 to 11 way it is and that's that's that did you say The U10 soccer field the what used to be The U10 field it's it's behind the bab Ruth field it's the furthest one away yeah that the the best yeah yeah it's got the best grass it's got one little corner maybe that's a little rough but I mean that would be a good size for for those kids we want more of those okay you want to make a motion I motion sorry go ahead I guess my question is what will be the fee structure for this well it's as camps right it's it would be the whatever we just raised yeah because it's not a normal group Curr yeah so um according to our voted on price he has to also go through the okay so so basically um what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing with you is what you're saying he's he obviously submitted a request for event form but we're considering this as a request for a camp or clinic yeah well he's calling himself Camp okay so all right so that's so my next thing is he has to go through the Board of Health for any Camper Clinic there's things that they have to do okay and they have to they have to sign off on them they have to all right well we're I we're going to have to give him proper instruction yeah that's what that's all I'm saying if we vote Yes then he has to be notified that he has to go before the um I think it's the Board of Health why does I do that because they do the Board of Health requires it I don't know why I don't know what I've never had a camper Clinic that I've run so I haven't had to do it but I know they do you have to pay a fee we should ask I don't know we if these are kids that play in his League though like if it's someone that's trying it out before the season starts like they're not covered by Insurance well that I think that's to have his own insurance he has to come up with an insurance policy naming the town um just like any other group would do right yeah we have to I mean he has to well I'm Terry's got one for a flag football league anyway in t for the well it should cover that right but you got to make sure the dates coincide so Peter we're going to have to reach out to the rules and regulations with the health department well we don't need to we can just oh yeah I can find out to tell him I don't want him don't want tell him that he has to do it but then we should know too so if you don't mind reaching out to Ed yeah it's just okay you know we've got some people inquiring about clinics and camps and right yep yep know perfect so my question is is because he filled out an event form and it doesn't have all of the stuff about the insurance and everything like the tournament application does is he not aware that he needs all that should should he fill out the proper application so that he's seeing all the extra po potty fees and all that stuff my guess is he's aware but it wouldn't hurt to send this to him did we send this to him already or did we send him this what did we send him he he he must have got it he got it I did not send it to him he must have got it on downloaded online you know I mean we can we can discuss it and we can vote it conditionally that he has to do this this and this yeah yeah I'm just concerned he doesn't know no I know and that's what we will let him know that you know we have to make you aware of these things you have to get insurance XYZ um before we can officially say yes or no well and it should be the correct form because it's different rates yeah so Peter we can get that information and send them email to him you can send in the correct form y yeah we'll do and circle the fee um question about lining the fields that came up with uh like you know the coach rig is he going to want to do any restrictions on lining the fields well we haven't really even talked about that I I told Coach rig that I prefer cones because it's going to make a mess with all the lines that's a long season yeah if he's only playing for a week I'm sure he's not planning on lining the fields and if he is at the end of the week he just it disappears right how long does it last doesn't last that long doesn't it no it once you mow twice it's gone cuz it's just paint on the grass so once your grass grows but I mean you know if we want to let them put lines we just make them do in a different color yeah you know cuz you're going to have soccer's going to be in white you know right maybe we could say do it blue or orange or we can let him know color if if he's adamant about putting in line right but that's a further down the road we know who's using what so someone going to make a motion that we approve it condition flag football camp by Eric Stanley's April vacation Camp from 9: to 11: for April vacation with the stipulations of insurance for to health proper application fees proper application and application fees and application let me say that again yeah it's fine it's fine second who second second discussion all in favor I okay on that note Scott sent me an email today from Amy stanle Eric's wife I got two huh I got one when I came in on Monday and I got one one yeah I know it's the same thing yeah so I'll read the email to you good afternoon I was recently watching the town meeting about Ted Williams Field use and saw that someone from Bridgewater was granted Prime field use on Saturdays this upcoming fall for a flag football Le I have been trying to get field use for field hockey theater program for town of Lakeville for the past few years and wasn't given the time of day for use of the fields for any day of the week never mind prime time of a Saturday I'm a Lille resident who also offered to donate all money made back to the town for sports program I'm just wondering why this happened and why field hockey wasn't given a chance to use the fields So I responded good morning Amy Scott sent me your email when you applied for space we did not have the new Fields available which open last fall we are totally open to have you ask for space for your league or any other leagues our leagues have been with us for over 20 years get right a first refusal but please apply as soon as possible so that we can be able to assist you depending on your time frame contact Peter Mark mty at our parks's office and you can download an application on our website looked forward to applying and then she responded thank you I have found space elsewhere I've asked every year for the past two years for field space and when I was given field use it was the Outfield of a field that every time we were there not one person was using any of the fields it's unfortunate for the town that was his wife not him no that was her wife well what spot was she asking for she she wants to know why we granted use to someone else when she's been asking for it but we didn't we didn't have the other fields available now we have more field she's she was looking she wants to know why uh you gave it to someone from Bridgewater well no you sayball came from brid why did we let someone else from out of town when I've been asking it from field is is he may be from Bridgewater but isn't it for L kids schol yes okay all right but her well uh I didn't know hers but Eric's been trying to get field hockey with for Lakeville kids here for a couple years they all L kids well these AR going to be all Lakeville kids either no but the point was we gave them Fields but it was out outfields so anyway and after last week when we voted and you said oh so somebody in town has the football thing and I'm like oh no he wants field hockey so then he messaged me and I was like I'm so sorry you know we've always talked about field hockey field Hoy field hocky and he's like no um middleb W welcomed us with open arms so we have to go to Middle we go to middleb now to play field hockey but he's like I'd like to do this football camp okay well we can't advertise but people are more than happy to ask cuz we got plenty of space now we can't ad advertise what we can't can't put in the uh we can't advertise in the paper hey we got fields and we can do Leagues and sign up we can't as Parks yeah we're renting space of course we can well we've never have we've never had to well we always wanted to do that ra money asking for donations you're asking for people to come and rent your Fields I realize that but I'm saying we've never done that before but we can okay we never did it before you should do a newspaper piece about your new field that you did well we have I'm sure you get Lacy's newsletter just got it today yeah so if we want to put something in there these are our upcoming leagues if their leagues are open for registration you could have a link to their websites comes out every month right yes okay this one's next week so that might be too soon but for March um I know blooper ball doesn't there can't handle any more people woman's Soccer can't handle any more people but the soccer and softball and volleyball volleyball is always looking for more people good idea we will do that okay moving along here security camera update not good uhoh no it was so good last meeting what happened it's it's the communication it's Communications that's what I mean about we haven't heard back from him it's like it's a blackout and so I'm I'm going to leave a message and saying if we do not hear back on anything by Monday we're going to put this out for a bit again and wrap up'll do years right so a couple more months is nothing no I know but still we still want to get it done okay budget update FY 26 uh next meeting we'll have a draft we'll look it over for that and then at the the last meeting of February we'll approve it the number one thing for me is capital ideas because we have to we're going to have to present the budget the Friday after I don't know it's 28th and our capital budget so we got to present the ENT um the retained earnings capital I would just put 15 grand on there could be more but that's what we put last year 15 oh we we put the skate park no the Water and Electric at the fields right for this year for this year but when you fill out the form you have to do three or four years ahead so what did we put next year it's we just put whatever's on there because they don't care they only care about this year okay they want a fiveyear plan but that's but but but they don't follow it I asked them oh no no don't worry about that we just want this year we just want an idea or if whatever so the key is to figure out what you guys have an idea for we'll say the 15 grand and then we got to come up with the free cash from the town on what we would like to see I know Melissa you'll probably you won't have the figures now but would you think you'd have the figures by middle of April if you want to put some buildings on and Clear Pond I have no idea because I think the only way we're going to get that done is peace me but we haven't heard we should asked him yeah we haven't heard about a meeting or anything Andrew is taking care of that so but I think what we should do is I mean we could also go into September but this is going to be a big project and I think the only way it's going to work is if we do something every year oh we need we need 60,000 for a new bathroom 80,000 for this whatever but if you wanted to put $155,000 for Clear Pond improvements I'm sure that would be fine yeah but I think I mean at least when Todd was the accountant we had to pretty much identify exactly what yeah but being in the capital expenditures committee when we did it last year some of the things was we need music for Gaz I'm talking about you're talking about two different talking about town you're talking about the capital expenditure committee I'm talking about the money that weark earmark from our retained earnings forever oh yeah so what I did I just when I did that last year I just had 15 grand because I got a I got a roundabout figure and said I need waterline and then electric and that's all we did but that's fine I'm just I'm just saying no that's what I'm saying past presidents from the prior account because he wanted to see exactly projections invoices not invoices but um quotes estimates he wanted hard fast numbers or hard fast estimates okay well he didn't ask that for that last year great so no no I'm you're 100% correct but he didn't ask for it and I mean just to put 15,000 is great no I I would say 15,000 yeah well it has to be Pro what is our retain earing you know off the end he said like 40 something 40,000 well we won't we won't know because that's in that account no but I just I was wondering was it coming into this year because they do do a balance sheet and you should ask for that the outside accountants come in and they do a retain earnings statement and you should ask for that and our balance sheet because that that earmarks what we have in cash and Investments and the retained earnings and it should coincide with the statement from the outside accounts yeah which is what get right so my point is we have to come up with some thoughts we don't need to do it till the 27th but I know there's things we want to get done I know what monies we have in certain accounts what's left over in the skate park we still have the do not break class unless of emergency account but um and then of course the free cash which is huge and I think when we're considering all that we should consider CPA funds that's what they there utilize that the bathrooms would be covered I I'm really surprised they would do anything with bathrooms I sent it to you guys it's in there no I'm I'm I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying it's surprising even the poles at gpp and the electric I feel like they would have approved that tentially they would cover it it would be within the guidelines to be covered for that unless we did it an emergency letter but it is it would have to be done like now yeah we we have the money for that but um so anyway just please give it some thought um okay next on the agenda item okay I said seven I did eight nine any old business um no but I'm I'm sorry what go ahead I'm sorry on the minutes on item number four under Park budget update where it says Commissioners Fields arpa 150,000 remaining 132 did we leave $132 in that account and on which one the commissioner's field yeah there's nothing left in there it's not true there's 1300 I I zeroed it out I checked with Todd this past week it's 1300 in there uh you mean Mike Mike Mike okay get another sign I want to make sure they got the right invoices yeah they get a think get posted to the right account yes because I I it's going I have the exact I said how much do I have left and they gave me the number so I went out and spent to the to the zero so we got to make sure that's that's done yeah I don't want to get stuck paying for something we didn't have to pay for correct old business so I would like to have a update um Britney you well so just getting your no no update on what what on Old business I was going to first get an update on the election process but go ahead um what am I supposed to be updating on the election process update I'm I want an update on how your process is going with signatures and everything going well I'm on the second page good for you good for you um what about Carrie why are you asking Britney I am going to carry next see what I'm going through Carrie and I had this discussion I'm sadly going to drop out my life has dramatically changed with my work and I just can't do it huge less that's a bummer that is a bumer yeah I'm very sad we really liked having you yes it's a government being here and I feel like it's important but I right now anyway till I find a new job it's I can't do it you can only do so much yep yeah I know I mean your personal life comes first wish I didn't need the paycheck it definitely comes first I know but I mean you know you got to you got to worry about yourself first yep get that security camera thing done okay yes definitely going to miss absolutely absolutely been an asset so far is that it for old business new business oh I've got stuff but no one more thing in the agenda not the agenda the minutes didn't we already do the minutes we did already do the minutes but this is an old business thing oh oh and I because normally I go into to Peter on Thursday afternoon and I pick up my packet so that I have it all in front of me and I can write it down so when I'm looking on the computer and then I go to my notes I miss it all it just said upcoming meetings and because our next thing on the agenda is date for next meetings made me think of it the next meeting will be February 13th at the Council on Aging MH and what today January 23rd weeks or three weeks thank you that's three weeks I like checked my calendar thank [Applause] you okay so um business the spotlight on the PWC sign that's I just wanted to make sure it was being cuz I only mentioned it in email so I just want you know what I just think it's a could be the battery out on that thing I will go look at it and purchase another one you know we we go through this every year I know but there is power there it's just going to be pulled there is electrical conduit that was put in by right our prior Commissioners when they when they did that um I mean I I think it's time we we're doing all these other things I think it's time we put get some type of electric light on there and get it on a timer so it's on comes on at dusk and shuts off at midnight or something I don't but there is power where's that where's that power run from across the street stre the pole across the street oh okay there's a there's a cond right there got it we just going to find it or it may be to the side I'm not sure I I'll you know you know what I'll check with Daryl and Danny yeah find out where the conduit is darl because it's a much better idea than these things no I know these things don't last getal over gives you better light they get run over all the time oh I know um so after the special election will we be able to advertise the public hearing for the CPA the CPA fund the message that I had sent you isn't there a Lions Club you want to do or something Lions Club usually has a comedy club this winter yeah they sent us an email they sent me one and I sent it to you yeah and I said we had to do the election first when is there comedy show I don't know I don't know U I guess we do it because Lions Club does a lot for us when is your special election it's February 20th oh we'll probably have to do that is it a special election Club no public hearing it's a public hearing so inform it's informative I'll resend you the email with what they had asked for it to say yeah just advertising that they're having a public hearing um and then so is anybody going to go to the public hearing with when is it February 20th sorry I'll check my calendar yeah remind us at the next meeting meeting please do uh I won't be at the next meeting no I you won't be no I won't be so so remind us anyway are you at the next meeting too I don't try to be here but all bets are off for the next I'm here you're here there'll be no votes nothing to vote on unless something comes up so and then Saturday that Saturday I'll be here yeah I'll be here too I'll be here I don't know I just think going to the public hearing with all of our questions you know the bathroom can we do the bathroom can we do this can we do that now is that the public hearing is it more informational what people are going to say what's the money used for and things like that or is it each is there a different Department's historical commission going up there can we do this or I'm trying to understand what it's the public hearing is to get the input of the town's people what would they like to see the money spent on so I know the last one last year a lot of folks were asking for waterbased activities and so that was put into the plan to promote and try and get more water-based activities which would be us at Clear Pond Park so we can ask for money for stuff like that maybe you know buying boats or something and people can rent boats paddle boats those little swan paddle boats or something like that you know come up with some things and and ask them so that's on a Thursday yep and that's at the high school no police station usually the police station Poli station yeah it's just like a regular reg but it'll be open to the public to get people's input what do we want to spend the money on and what can we spend the money on what's on our bank now well it's not our bank well what's on the I know what you're saying I have to pull go through the numbers it gets deposited in the people's account ,000 is it I think so I know there quite a bit just curious look at you last things I've got so this was the draft for the budget article for 2026 so is that the number you want no no that's just the estimated revenues so your estimated revenues is yeah for 2026 so you guys 177,000 so that's what pretty much what you collect every year right so budget historic get 25 Community 25 open space 25 open slate space SL Parks and Recreation that's that's that's what it's under okay so our our estimated revenue is 25,000 yeah and it says that's what's in there not uh of November 30th 25 so we got to figure out something that will follow up but you know that's not your money right no it's not anybody but it would be where it comes from yes right and then you can you don't have to stop at that money you can ask for other that comes out of the big pop correct correct the unused funds it's just about asking for things that are within the guidelines that meet the guidelines so I think there's a lot we just have to ask and the meeting I think would be a good place to ask questions like that so I will be but I can't I'm a member so I can't go and ask questions well you can you just have to step down like if you see Town Hall when they climb off the stage oh I see what you're saying yeah yeah but I can't even do that cuz I have to attend via Zoom because I can't one of my dogs is getting neutered so that's why I can't be here either but they but they said that they would do Zoom so cuz I wasn't the only one that could attend I will be in the hospital room on the 20th that New England BST I'll be there for a couple days I'll watch it on my phone okay uh new business uh I went to the town clerk's office today and I dropped off my resignation papers um I will be resigning on April 5th I'm sorry what resigning from what Parks you're resigning from the parks I can't um I can't commit four years in a row I um I don't know how long with this surgery thing I whatever I don't think that's more the reason as I'm uh ignoring another organization that I I run it's a homeless organization in Brockton and now it's getting into city council and projects we had one of our guys uh Vietnam one leg and handicap and a wheelchair he froze to death they're not they're kicking people out they're so we got a couple lawyers who were going to help us for free so I got to really spend more time on that so apologize I love being here but I can't commit uh another year I need to deal with something else and I want to spend more time out west when is um because you're resigning on April 5th can somebody else pull papers for your position now right now they can do it that's why that's why I did it now oration today so she's going to make that public so someone has to run for chair is what chair is appointed open spots chair is appointed by the new new group three no two it'll be three open spots there'll be three open SP right but I you're coming back there's still three open spots at this right because been actually elected correct y so I apologize I love working with you guys but so M will be oh they won't do two year they one year it still be a one year why they just do a one year for the first time no matter what no they've been doing lately no that was a point only if you're appointed is it one year running for position running for slot you two yeah because my original I had one yeah I had two and then I got elected for four year or something I don't know huh you only have two years left no it was 27 so I'm a three-year term now I still started yeah and then two more years after yeah three years so this position is a two-year term that they're going to run for for yes twoe did they change all the threeyear terms they've always been threeyear terms they have they've just been staggered okay two two come up two come up and one comes up but other committees have five that's is ridiculous so I I was confused when you said you can't commit for four more years I'm going no I'm no I said I can't commit for a fourth year that's what I meant to say four years total four years total because I've been on for three I just can't do four four five or five all right so I have one more thing for new it was just a thought I had in my had it was something that we had discussed we needed a new office what about the old fire station well once we get the new one what are they doing with the old one that's a town office so here's the issue with that put a request in here's the issue if if it gets approved right fire station we're looking at two maybe three years right but we're not going to get in office by then anyway so and so I I wouldn't even look that far I know Peter and I just got a bid or an estimate on this office here which is over 200 Grand to do it correctly I'm sorry 250 to do what to the office to fix it knock it down and rebuild it Peter you got theet the Peter has the uh Paul specs on it Paul put together a list of all the different this is a this is a complete wish list of all the different things could be done if we going to do right yeah you know from Roofing new windows instulation improved heating improved lighting handicapped access which involves more uh more than just a ramp uh means changing doors uh bathroom septic all that and he was he put together a a which is good could be mold could be mold in there so this balls will have to out came up with a list of I think it was about 20 24 $40,000 but where would that come from a capital that's not coming from anywhere yeah it's not coming from anywhere that's why I was just thinking so yeah what are they going to do with it they put our name in you know right and maybe it's an option maybe it's not but our office was one of the original Camp buildings it was the original Camp office so yeah yeah well if I mean obviously 5year plan 10e plan you knock that down you could put something else there something could except it's one of the original buildings in the camp do we want to knock it down does it want to stay do we do historical money um I mean I guess so for right now want rest under historical for money too that we can't knock down historical I don't think on it yeah we could put one I like that you would have to talk to someone at the Historical committee yeah to see if it qualifies okay dates for next meeting Peter it's next meeting will be February 13th here here and then the next one is February 27th which which is going to be virtual virtual and February 15th wait a minute February 27th is going to be a virtual meeting vir it's virtual so the next meeting correct because I'm not going to be able we're going to do so oh you have to be here how are we going to do budget if we're going to be virtual that's going to be very hard I don't I don't understand we're getting the budget papers on the before right on the 13th on the 13th technically you're going to have to look at them and then we can talk about it over technically if you have a virtual meeting and there's documents they have to be posted so that anyone can see them oh I asked today they didn't say that ask your Clerk okay which clerk me no I don't know anything about that you're everyone's clerk what you mean the town clerk you're having does it really matter if they know what having surgery on the 20th I'm just no I'm just asking tell okay if that's the case then we'll well we could postpone it a week doesn't matter cuz well you can't postpone it a week because it's due the 28th oh I can get another week on worried about that well let's talk about it the next meeting just remind you're right I mean I I just I can't won't be able to get around but watch it I'll I'll let them know if if well let's talk about it now is everybody available for the following week on the 6th no is it not due the 28th you just said no no that's that was our deadline for them but if if if it needs to be done the next week it'll be done the next week so March 6 can you do it on the 4th are you going away you don't ask questions like that tax hell oh that's right that's my worst two weeks of the Year worst three weeks of the year last week in February first two weeks in mon that's worse than April 15 14 um so do we add on another meeting before no that would only be one week like no I mean like so do February 6th on the 13th and then just not have a meeting on the 27th I don't know why done before your we can do it surgery or whatever we can do it virtually I think it's fine we do it virtually we've done other virtual meetings that we had discussions and I'll see what the rules and regulations are and just find out what she needs and we'll post it it's possible you might be able to get the bu done on the 13th yeah if it's and you send it up to us ahead of time so we can have all that questions and stuff I can send it out on the six plan plan on doing the budget to right let's do that and only the budget only the budget only the budget and you guys can do that if I'm not there right as long as you have enough people yeah we just need a quorum yeah so we're scrapping the 27th well to be determined to be determined but didn't but definitely the 13th were the 6th 13th and the 15th on February 15th is that our office I think so yeah I thought we were going to do it at the police station that's what I remembered yes I ask that's why I asked yeah no because of the room because of cold it is I thought we said why don't we just do it at the police station I think everybody said yes maybe that's just make so um if the 27th is over Zoom we still meet physically it everyone will be on Zoom no one will meet physically virtu we can't do a virtual from here it would only in the police station can we do a split meeting okay it's going to be kind of like a CO thing but we'll see let's maybe we don't need to do that okay so we got the meeting set anyone to make a motion to adjourn I motion to adjourn at 8:45 which sounds early but is it 7:45 is that say 7:45 7:45 that's not bad 7:45 there a second second all in favor