Good evening and welcome to the Thursday, April 23rd, 2026 meeting of the Lakeville Planning Board. It is 6:30 p.m. and we are meeting this evening at the Lakeville Police Station at 323 Bedford Street. We have Lake Cam recording. Is anyone else recording?
Hearing none. Uh we do have a quorum this evening. Uh it's myself, >> Donna Gay, present, >> David Lodge, >> and um our first agenda item is a public hearing for 6:30 site plan review, 234
Kenneth Welch Drive continued to this evening upon the application for construction of a proposed 29,400 square foot addition to be used for cold warehouse storage, four additional truck dock bays, and a new storm water basin.
possible vote. You are welcome to come up to present. >> Hi. Uh good evening. Uh Garrett Horsefall with Kelly Engineering Group site civil engineer for the project. I'm with Jeff Wyman to my right. uh Campanelli who is the design build
contractor for the applicant uh Cranberry Campus LLC and Michael Shaughnessy who is our um real estate um land use attorney for the project. Um so since we were last before um the planning board u couple updates that same night we were at the zoning board.
Um the relief was granted uh for the hype relief that was sought. Um there has been some additional communications with the board of health. Um and the agent has essentially signed off on the use of the tight tank. We're just going to formally submit the plan once we have
an installer um and lined up for the project probably prior prior to construction. Um we have been in coordination with uh Deb Keller at uh Merill Engineering. Um she just recently issued a letter Wednesday of this week. Um majority of the comments have all been addressed. Um I believe there's
some suggested conditions for the board's consideration tonight. Um and really the crux of what we kind of modified along with Deb was uh we just changed some of the grading associated with this basin just to get a little bit more volume within it. Um a little bit of work um has stayed the same. She
thought we could get a little bit more volume on this side. Um which we did. And the final plan is essentially what we were just looking at. And we essentially just expanded the basin a little bit this way. and tree lines stayed the same. Um, put a little extra
volume in there to help the elevation of some of the designing storms. Um, just to get the peak elevations a little bit lower in the basin, but those are some summary of the majority of the changes here. Um, and you know, we're glad to answer any other questions the board may have tonight. >> Okay. I mean, uh, going through the peer
review, it it does look like they've addressed a number of them. Um there we probably include all the recommending conditions. I'm sure you've seen our standard conditions as well. Um
>> I actually drafted a decision. I know Cathy's no longer with the board. Um >> well, she so she is she's technically um not completely gone. She'll be in on Fridays for the next three to four weeks. >> All right. Well, I drafted the transition.
>> I' I'd like you guys to to to share it with you folks. Obviously, I don't know if you'll act on it tonight or not. It's modeled after what you guys had approved for the fire department next door. Um we um we end the conditions that um Mel
had suggested in their letter. >> So like I don't feel com because I would like to just compare it to our standard condition, make sure nothing's missing. >> I'm just I appreciate it. Yeah, that's great. >> Easier for everyone. Um,
but it's the typical form that we've done before on the numerous ones. Yeah, like I said, I I do just want to compare it because I know we've we've worked on getting a strong set of standard conditions, but otherwise it does I appreciate this. No issue. Take take your time, look at
it. I can email uh Kathy, I guess, the word file. >> Yeah, if you could, that'd be great. >> Compare and contrast. Sure. >> Yeah. Excellent. Um and it does look like you have all of um the items. Um obviously, if there's any updates, one of the things is if board of health requires any changes that you have to
submit the updated changes plans to the planning board as well. Um, does anyone else does anyone on the board have any questions, comments, concerns at this point? >> Yeah, I did, but
I've lost where I was at. Um, yeah, they still have to go go back through the fire department. So we can >> we can just condition it so that uh the fire chief gives a final uh sign off on it.
>> Madam chair, police as well. >> Oh, I know what I >> I don't think I've ever seen any response from police although they do get >> okay >> plans distributed so that's not unusual.
I know they don't have big water needs at all. It's it's been covered in our allocation with >> Yes. So, the select board did mention that if you need additional water allocation that you'll have to go back to them. So,
>> that's the domestic usage is not anticipated to increase here just because it's really the employee count staying the same. They do have an on-site well um that they use for the refrigeration component and they will be drilling a new well for the addition um to support that. >> Oh, okay.
>> Also through the board of health at that point too. >> Okay. >> So there will be no draw on the domestic um water and we have been coordinated with Taton water in terms of the fire. We did do a hydrant flow test. Um the line the street is probably going to be upgraded to an 8 in line. We're working
just finalizing that with the fire protection engineer who will then be in contact with the fire chief to >> figure out the final sprinkler arrangement within the system within the building. >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. So that was that that was one of my questions whether whether that
was taunt water or that was middle water over there and obviously it's taunt water then ton water. >> Yeah. Yes. Does the water tank take hours or cotton or who's it who's it belonging to?
>> No, we built it but sold it. I'm I'm not sure who has it. >> Okay. I just as an aside, but >> yeah. So, I think I mean we could add a condition about if there's additional water allocation needs to go back to the site board for that. >> Yeah,
>> that makes you feel better. >> Um, anything, Donna? I just had a question about the light fixture locations. I saw on the plan only one, but it recommends illustrating three. Maybe I didn't read the plan correctly, but
>> there's only wall packs proposed here. Um just within the kind of hard to see just cuz they kind of blend in. They're sort of wall packs. There's one, two, and a third right here. So that's Thank you. Yep. >> I had the one but I didn't see.
>> They kind of blend right in with the loading docks. I understand. All right. I so typically instead of closing it out I like to leave it open so that when we have a drafted conditions if there's any conversation necessary we'll we can
leave the hearing open we can continue it to our next meeting which is May 14th and get that set of conditions drawn up forwarded to you all and then hopefully we can close it all out at the next meeting if that sounds good. >> That that sounds fine. Uh I do have a
couple questions Madam Chair. um your standard conditions um from the the fire station project. Uh one of the conditions was to um incorporate the decision onto the plans. Is is that something the board's considering or could we have a just rely on the
decision itself? >> Is that what you're you would prefer? >> Yeah, I'd prefer to have a standalone. Um what would what I would >> So it's made it easier for recording purposes and I know this is something that Kathy had sort of worked out. um
that I'd have to rely on her what what she said the reasoning behind why it was >> I think it was for recording per purposes >> because you can't file. >> So So what so that kind of leads me to my next question. Um what we've done on
the prior ones is we've asked the board to endorse a paper set um reduce reduce it down for recording purposes and then we attached to the decision as an exhibit. Right. >> So, >> right. >> So, if we could show up on the uh for
the 9th uh 14th with a paper set, if if the board was so inclined to sign it that night, that would be fantastic. We'd have two sets. >> You'd have the plans. Yes. Okay. >> If if the board's amendable to that
>> because they're not going to change from what you see now. We'd add a signature box on the front page. >> That's all we would add. Yep. >> Yeah. I mean, so typically we don't sign them until the end of the meeting. Um >> Oh, yeah. No, no, the end of the meeting that that that's fine, but but just get
them executed that night. >> I don't see a problem with that. As long as Yeah. As long as we can get all the conditions >> Yep. >> sorted out and um you know, agreed to. >> Yeah, I don't see any issue with that. >> Okay. >> All right. So, would someone like to
motion to continue this public hearing to May 14th? I make a motion to continue the um public hearing for 234 Kenneth Welch Drive to May 14th. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. All in favor?
>> I >> I motion carries. We will see you in a few weeks. >> Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Thank you. Agenda item number two, we have an ANR plan 115 and 117 Kingman Street continued to this evening with Riverhawk
Land Surveying. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. Uh, attorney Christopher Alfen for Blackman and Hyard Barls. Have you ma I know you continued last meeting. Did you have any changes that you made to >> No, we didn't. I just wasn't available.
And you usually need an attorney to come to an AM car endorsement, but we came just because there's one little unique thing about this plan, which is that there is a right of way that goes down the middle of the two lots. And that, you know, should be flagged by a board
to say, well, what is this? You can't use this property. But in fact, we can in this unique circumstance. And the reason is is because the two lot owners are in common ownership. And by doing uh title research, we determined that the
ownership in the way is owned by the two lots by the derelch v statute because the prior owner did not retain ownership in the way which is not uncommon. But what is >> like derelch v >> the derelch fee statute which is in
Massachusetts if you have a rightaway and you are conveyed a lot according to a plan you actually own halfway of the of the of the rightaway in fee. Um, so in this instance, when you have two lots that were shown on a rightway, lot one
was shown on a plan that shown on one side of the way and the other plot was shown on a plan that was on the other side. Each owns 50% in the way, but because they're in common ownership, them combined, they own the entire fee
in one ownership. Okay, so that's step one, and I can review that again. But the step two is actually the more complicated issue, which is under zoning and subdivision rules and regulations, you can't use right ofways or easements as part of your land in order to create
buildable lots, which would normally be the case when you have a rightway. But this rightway goes to nowhere. It's not anybody else's right. Um, you would think that the person who abuts the land where the rightway is pointing to would have rights in that rightaway. They do
not. So, we did a title research and we discovered that that rightway um nobody else has rights in that right away other than the two lot owners who own the way in fee. Does that make sense? >> Okay. So, seeing it as you as you
mentioned, I did send it off to council and the advice that we had received was um that the two lots in question possess all the rights to the paper street. In other words, planning board should require the applicant to provide an opinion of title that no other property
owners have the rights to the paper street. So, um are you able to provide an opinion of title? >> Of course, we are. Um it would have been nice to know about that letter from town council prior to this meeting because we
would have submitted something. Uh but we're happy to submit something to address that exact issue. >> Okay. It was in our packet last meeting. It wasn't in this pack because as you had continued. >> Uh who is town council if you don't mind me asking? >> Uh so it is me, Talman, and Costa,
>> my good friends. Yeah. >> So yeah, they're actually our new town council. >> Oh, they're great. You'll be very lucky to have them. >> Yeah. >> Um so yeah, I'm happy to write a letter and addressing that exact issue. Uh and basically what the letter is going to say is that nobody other than our lot
owners have a right away in that lot. I do have a memorandum right here, but I am assuming me providing you this letter that I have right here is probably not good enough for you to make a decision tonight and you're going to want to pass it over to town counselor anyways,
right? So, I rather not put you on the spot to try to make a decision tonight if you're rather going to give this to town council. I rather clean it up and submit. >> So, that's fine. So if you if you want to sub send it over and we can continue it to next meeting and and we can take a vote >> because I'm assuming you need town
council to read the memorandum and I'm submitting it to make a decision. >> Correct. >> Then we're happy to do that. >> Okay. Great. >> Um did anyone else have any questions on ANR? >> No. Okay. So, if you want to send that over and I I know like I um it was
mentioned our clerk, >> she is going to be in on Fridays, but >> hopefully somebody's monitoring the email as well. You can send it to her and um myself even and >> um if it would please the board, if the board wants to give me authorization to
speak directly to town council, I'm happy to send the letter directly to town council and then town council. That way I can have a conversation with them directly if need be if I need to explain my letter to them. Um that might be the more efficient way to do this. >> Yeah. I just I'd want somebody from
Lakeville on the email though. So >> I have no problem with you copying myself and Kathy on the email sending it directly. >> Perfect. >> Um >> um can you let me know the attorney at meet? Uh >> it was Jay >> J. Challen. >> Yes. >> Okay. Perfect.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Very good. All right. >> All right. So, uh, we'll continue to May 14th. >> Very good. >> All right. Would you like to make that motion? I make a motion to continue the
ANR plan for 115 and 117 Kingman Street to May 14th. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. All in favor? I. >> I. Motion carries. We will see you then. >> Thank you.
All right. Agenda item number three, data center bylaw ratify vote. So last last meeting, we did take a vote regarding uh data center to send that to town meeting. Um it was not on the
agenda to vote. So we just need to ratify that vote. If someone would like to make that motion, >> make a motion that we uh uh ratify the uh uh data center bylaw as presented at
our last meeting and this meeting. >> Yeah. For town meeting. >> Uh yeah. >> All right. >> To send it on to town meeting. Yes. >> So we have a motion. >> Donna, would you like to second? >> A second. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I.
>> I. Motion carries. And um I did send an email to Andrew and I let him know that we'd be voting this evening just so that he was aware that that's what's going forward. Um, I know you sent out some information that you had seen regarding data centers. Um,
that another town is doing a moratorum, >> a one-year moratorum, which is interesting, >> just to, um, have an opportunity to develop >> standards, >> um, bylaws, standards, review the rules and regs. Um I know that recently at um
the select board meeting there was support expressed for the need of a bylaw. Um I do think that we need to be really ready to answer questions. uh if at meeting someone should have
questions related to um where the data center might go >> um >> which would be >> so yes and there may be some initial confusion about how that works when you're overlapping an overlay
which is what would be happening >> so I don't know if I would call it over overlapping because it's already an overlay we're making it a combined >> we're just adding overlay adding adding something to it >> and marijuana overlay. So
I think if you if you looked over so what I had what I used is what Mansfield had which >> right >> which um the planners email group had forwarded around and Kathy sent it over to us to look at and
I thought it was like well um explained as to why because it's it's not that we're looking to bring data centers in. It's looking to ensure that they go through the proper channels. they're not just going to be um
referred to as a business office and allowed anywhere in a business zone. So by defining it and ensuring that it's not going to be interpreted as a business office >> which ancillary to a business office. Yeah. >> Right. Right. And then it could so and
then we're narrowing it down to where it could potentially go, but we're also one of the caveats is that we can add additional regulations. So that is something we can do. Um that was one of the questions I had for town council and and he reviewed it and said you know he
gave recommended language if use this language and then you could develop similar to how um we have additional rules and rags for the subdivision control. >> Right. >> Um >> and it would require a special permit.
>> Yes. special permit only in that specific area which is there's two areas in town which the industrial park is already built up and then the other so the one on Kenneth
Walsh and then we know the one off of Route 44 I >> Harding >> yeah that one's um pretty built up as well >> yeah there's not much I mean there'd have to be >> it would have to be a redevelopment Right. They have to take something that was already there.
>> Yeah. Cuz that the front lot is currently under development right now. So So that that I think makes it more palatable, I think, if it would have to come in as a redevelopment as opposed to
we have land, we have a zone, we have area to put it as opposed to um >> Yeah. So, there just might be some questions that arise that we'll have to >> Yeah. And I like address one of the one of um and I can't I won't be able to
tell you the exact wording, but it it was saying this bylaw is not in response to any pending application there. It's >> that will be important to uh recognize. >> Right. So, I I plan on reading everything that was included in the
italisized uh portion that was more of like an explanation as to why the bylaw >> cuz I thought it was pretty um pretty well stated >> how Mansfield did it. >> But yeah, I agree. Yeah, cuz it would it
sounds scary. >> Yeah, and the support is there. It's just we want to make sure we do it right when we're introducing it right >> at town meetings. So, yeah. Yep. Yeah. And and um battery storage. I wish we had done it as a combined thing, but I didn't realize that was a big thing
now. And here it is. Battery storage, too. And that was what you the what you had sent. It's a moratorium. And they were they don't call it battery storage. They have different language to describe it. But um so that's definitely something we should look at for fall. >> Yeah. On the horizon. >> Yeah, absolutely.
All right. Um, >> agenda item number four, we have Serpentid Commission member appointment possible vote. So, every year we get to reappoint and I know David, I don't think you've enjoyed these meetings.
>> Yeah, I attended a few and it was kind of Yeah. wasn't wasn't wasn't wasn't doing much for me. >> Yeah. So if it's something you're interested in, Donna, would you be interested in joining? >> I would be. >> Serpent commission.
>> Are those the meetings that I see on the town website? Um, >> no. >> No, >> these are different. >> So those are different ones. Yeah. This one. So I'll fill this out. We'll send it send it away. And you you'll get a an
email with a date, a l with a link, a Zoom link. >> They do Zoom meetings. Yeah. >> The agenda. >> I think I saw that. Is it in our packet? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're usually mornings. >> Morning. >> Yeah, some of them have been. Yeah. >> Really? >> Yeah.
>> Oh, when I was doing it was night. No, >> I had a couple There were a couple morning things that we did. H >> Okay, then it's here somewhere. Oh, here it is. Okay. Yeah, I did actually read this. So, >> yeah, >> it is something that interests me.
>> Yeah. And I mean, you seem like you're you're being a sponge right now. >> So much >> as long as no one else is interested, cuz I know John and um Dan are not here tonight. So, um >> they've sort of had their opportunities, I think, in the past. And if if you're
interested, I think it would be great because the like there's information sometimes it doesn't typically pertain to Lakeville, but maybe the surrounding towns are doing. >> Yeah. You'll see see what's going on kind of elsewhere in the in the region >> and and they'll talk about grant
opportunities and different things to be on the lookout. So that's where like when I was doing it for the short time um I would snag like anything of interest like any links cuz they'll put the links in the chat and you can grab the link and then I'll just like send it out to the planning board and then so on
our agenda when we have committee liaison um member recommendations and updates that's like your chance anything that you find interesting that you want to share with the board or want to pursue or look into that would be the opportunity that um we could do that. So,
>> sure. >> Yeah. Awesome. And like I said, I mean, I would turn the camera off and just kind of listen and do other things, but anytime, you know, like go to the like I said, go to the chat, take >> good notes. >> So,
>> okay. >> Cuz I know I know you're already attending a lot of meetings, but at least this one's on Zoom. It's a little more um I guess easier to fit into your schedule if it's you know >> and this is something that I would fill
out and submit to >> Andrew or >> so yep put your name I can sign it as the planning board chair and then your contact information
and we send it to that email address. >> Okay. >> So, I at the end of this meeting, I can we can fill it out and then I can bring it to the office and scan it tomorrow and >> it. >> Sounds good.
>> Yeah. All right. So, we'll have to take a vote, though. Let's make it official. >> Okay. Hey, I move that uh uh Donna be uh installed as our uh uh sped commission
uh member. >> All right. Motion in a second. All in favor? >> I I seconded it. Okay. >> The chair can do that. >> Well, like it's all right. Um,
administrative update. Possible vote on any item listed below. We have storm water management bylaw. That one's slated for fall. I did send off that email to Andrew letting them know we're tableabling these till fall. Storm water as well as OSRD. That's in fall. I'm hoping to get that final update from
Alex. I thought he did such an amazing job with that. Like it was so in depth. I I went I did spend the last week or so uh digging through uh kind of other uh other language uh you know cuz we
discussed kind of larger chunks of land as opposed to uh and I I was looking for for language that I could >> oh like contiguous you mean >> well that's not really the right word for it but uh you know
>> Oh you mean like within in the parcel. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That it not be uh >> Did you find language that >> I haven't yet? >> No. >> You know, and I >> Well, don't wait too long cuz he has a final draft and now David's sending in some last minute changes and
I I you know what I'm aiming for is something that goes kind of uh upfront in the purpose section that he had written. >> Yeah. Well, maybe I think we I think we had asked him to try to >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I was I was kind of looking looking maybe to to assist if I
saw something that I liked that I would uh >> kind of send it on to him and say, "Uh, you know, here's here's some language that uh >> uh that you might uh you might like." >> So, I know that uh board I think I saw it on the board of health agenda, so
they must have discussed it. So, as long as everybody's on board and we're getting good feedback, I'm hoping to get all of like I said, post them online so it'll be available for people to look at and sort of digest ahead of time because it's it's kind of a big hurdle that one.
Um, still I'd say >> yeah, I mean I I can send you a couple of the things that I did read through um because they're kind of interesting. Is it like other towns or >> uh no it's it's kind of uh well yeah in
in in some ways it's it's other towns but it's even going back in history as to as to uh benefits to doing it and and uh uh a lot of it was showing
kind of little tiny parcels that really just become buffer zones and not much more than >> than uh what we're kind of actually looking for >> well >> or hoping for. >> So the way I see it like it's to me it's every like every subdivision is going to
be different, right? Because is it going to be big? Is it going to be small? Um what are the wetlands situation? What are the natural outcropping situation? Are like they're going to have to probably work around certain areas especially if um
>> Yeah. And that's and and that's what this was was what what at least two of the articles that I that I dug through were talking about was was, you know, how it's it's, you know, using the the the characteristics of of individual
pieces of land, >> right? >> Um so that you're getting the most out of it. >> Um and >> without changing it too much, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. and and and it was saying, "Okay, here's here's one alternative where they just bulldoze it flat and and
you know, this is what you get and and here's and in in one instance, they had a uh a parcel that had 94 lots on it." Uh and they uh came up with another scheme that was and they referred to it as cluster
zoning, but it's the same sort of thing, right? uh where they were able to cut the amount of of roadway in half. >> Mhm. >> And uh uh build individual clusters of houses uh and uh and get two more lots
out of it. >> Um and and it was on a kind of a mythical piece of land. It wasn't uh it wasn't aimed at anything in particular. Uh but there were some examples of other of what had happened in other towns.
>> But mostly I was looking for language for >> you know >> making uh part of the at least some of the purpose to do a you know large chunk of open space as opposed to rambling
little narrow buffers. >> Right. Well I think so I think but a butters a butters are going to want that you know. So, and I think that's why for me I'm I'm primarily satisfied with the fact that it would be by special permit
because that gives the board more say >> in how it develops, you know. >> So, I guess I'm not as concerned because I I just perceive it as being very sight specific. and where you know what are
you what are you trying to so if the wetlands are in the middle of the parcel then you want to you want to make sure that those wetlands are part of that open space that's preserved untouched you know un untampered with um the
priority is the land and making sure that the developer thinks about where to put homes after the land's been >> set aside Exactly. Yeah. >> Right. And so it and it should help with
like the open it's open space residential development. So the open space committee talks about having connected trails throughout town. So that's even something that this when we review it would we would be
looking okay is there contiguous maybe not in this parcel itself but is there a budding land that is okay. so contiguous maybe through this back section or through another area so that it helps create those wildlife corridors so we
don't have as many deer getting killed in the roads because they're they have nowhere to go. So it helps with a number of different things, you know, the walkability, the nature. >> Yeah. I mean, the the the one thing that I really really liked about what he
wrote was was kind of the process of doing it where it's brought to us before a whole lot has been done, >> right? Yep. >> Before a lot has been determined that, okay, there these are the roads, >> right? Yeah. Cuz well, they have to have
the two different plans conceptual first to show that they can do it. >> Yeah. but also kind of in bringing to us early so that we have some >> some inputs. >> Oh, absolutely. >> You know, that that's that's really where this board needs to be.
>> Yep. Well, so that's slated for fall. I'm just So, um >> Yep. >> Gosh, it's been the first Wednesday, I think it is, of the month that um he's been doing a meeting. So, I'll have
another update after that. Um but other otherwise no more updates on that. >> Um >> Pinrest Village. >> Yeah, Lake Well, I was going to say Lakeville Country Club, they post or cancelled their their Zoom meeting that was uh supposed to be this week.
>> Oh, really? >> So they Yeah, they haven't had anything in a while. >> Okay. Um well, let me get through these next two and then we'll go back to that. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, >> Pinerest Village. Kathy did reach out to
uh the developer on that and I think she had not heard anything back the last I had checked um with that. But they obviously if they want to keep moving forward, they're going to have to, you know, contact us at at some
point. Um planning staff update. So, the select board did take a vote to unfreeze to lift the hiring freeze to post the full full-time cleric position. So, we do have the planning clerk
position posted. Um, and then the next item is committee liaison member recommendations and updates. So, you said the Lakeville Country Club, no meeting uh this past week. I would love it if you could offer a joint meeting because I think um at
this point I keep seeing that they're they're doing um executive sess session meetings a select board working through that development agreement. I'd love to have a joint meeting see where those things lie at this point cuz we reviewed
the bylaw language town council reviewed the bylaw language. It's been sent off and we haven't seen anything come back. So for me for planning board um we got to get a look at what are those numbers um
because as we saw in the bylaw language there were question marks for what's the density what is um what are the specifics and those are like the important part pieces that were missing. So if you have an opportunity um you mentioned a joint meeting
>> you know yeah now now that the select board is is >> kind of reorganized and >> right >> new new people >> I'll see about making an approach. >> Okay. Yeah. So cuz anything that we can do to sort of facilitate moving it along. I know it's looking at fall town
meeting again and so like these things are getting pushed out. Um yeah. >> Yeah. So, if anything we can do to have a joint meeting and maybe help come to an agreement or a concession on any of these things, that would be good. Um,
agenda item number six, next meeting, May 14th, 2026 at the Lakeville Police Station. Any other business that may properly come before the planning board? >> No. >> No, nothing specific. >> All right. Would someone like to make a
motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll second that motion. >> Motion and a second. All in favor? I >> I journed.